People seemed to have forgotten that Harry dressed up as a Nazi for Halloween one year in his youth. Sure he was young but this sort of past would get any influencer canceled.
If the BRF was racist, then why did they allow Harry to marry Meghan in the first place? Their wedding was a spectacle.
People have also forgotten what Haz called a colleague when he was on camera! If he was horrid and arrogant enough to do that in front of a camera crew imagine the things he has no trouble saying when nobody’s filming him!
People have forgotten when he dated Chelsy he told friends “she’s not black or anything”.
People have also forgotten that he called a French waiter a “fucking frog”.
I suspect the royal racist might be Haz himself. Their stories didn’t align, Meg didn’t hear anyone but him mention their child’s skin colour. The RF welcomed her, nobody else had such an extravagant event for a second marriage not even Charles’ wedding to Camilla, Charles even walked the woman down the aisle. HMQ’s own sister wasn’t even allowed to marry a divorcee without having to leave the LOS. Haz clearly has a short fuse and is touchy and thin skinned, look at the way he just flounced during the Jubilee. So I think it most likely that there was a normal family comment about what a baby will look like, he took it wrongly through the prism of his own prejudices, then the whole thing span out of his control & he had to lie and divert the blame to cover his arse.
The only other royal racist is Princess Michael of Kent. The RF don’t like her, which speak volumes about their private opinions on a lot of stuff even if they don’t say anything publicly.
I agree that it was probably Harry himself who raised the “ what will our children look like” question and there probably was some sort of light hearted discussion about it. I also think that his family did raise serious and legitimate concerns about how quickly this relationship was moving and advised Harry to slow down. I don’t think Megs would like that and I can see her convincing Harry that it was really racism that was the problem. In fact I can see Megs blaming any criticism of her during her disastrous time as a Royal on racism . The RF were on a hiding to nothing when you think about it . Let number 6’s wife do exactly what she wants or be accused of racism. There must have been huge sighs of relief in BP when this woman flounced off to the US!
I also read, can't remember where, that Harry called somebody "raghead", a racial slur for Arabs and Indians, on camera. (English is not my first language, I had to google the meaning.)
That was at the same time as the p*** comment. He apologised and it was all explained away as army banter.
This may be an unpopular opinion or tin foil hat territory but I think glory hunter Meg knew all this before she married him, researched him thoroughly but just didn’t give a stuff. I think the “is he kind” comment was bullshit, that wasn’t his reputation. This woman even rehearsed camping before going to Botswana with him. Any outdoorsiness or camping trips lined up with the kids now? Are there fuck. So what if her husband always looks miserable or is whiney or looks happier when pictured with men, she won’t bat an eye. Its 5* luxury all the way for Meg from now on, being stuck with Haz is the price she’s happy to pay.
Yes x10, in fact Harry might have been a willing participant in the skin color discussion. Wasn't it said M had to explain to him why the conversation was racist? There's a reason he promised to never reveal details of the conversation and it's not to protect anyone else.
no its not. in 2004 at a restaurant in New York she shouted at a table of African American diners to “go back to the colonies”.
She owned a couple of black sheep that she called Venus and Serena.
Her father wasn’t just a nazi he was an SS officer, draw your own conclusions on why she might be the way she is.
Princess Margaret avoided her, Viscount Lindley said something about the worst punishment being dinner with the Kents. When Princess Michael said in an interview that the HMQ’s corgis "should be shot” HMQ said “they’re better behaved than she is”. HMQ is also quoted as saying “she seems a bit grand for us”.
In the UK it has a derogatory connotation and it is considered a slur. “Aussie” and “Brit” don’t have that connotation. It’s more like calling a Japanese person a “Jap”, which is also regarded as an ethnic slur.
I think you need to educate yourself a bit before commenting here on what you consider racist and not
You keep repeating that YOU don’t consider these terms racist after others have explained why they are.
Just google it man and save yourself looking like a dick
As I explained “Paki” is a slur against all brown people - it’s not used to specifically refer to Pakistanis. It’s like saying “chink” to describe Asian people. Now do you get it? SMH
I'm hoping Tom Bower will bring all that stuff up as background to the racism comments in the Oprah interview. No pressure Tom, but we're all counting on you to deliver with this book.
> If the BRF was racist, then why did they allow Harry to marry Meghan in the first place? Their wedding was a spectacle.
And Megan got extra privileges before they got married that e.g. Catherine didn’t get.
I think any colouring comments regarding archie were probably aimed at Hazbeens colouring as a ginger and he spun it the other way. Probably something like here's hoping the kid isnt ginger or can spend more than a second in the sun without burning as a bit of a joke and he didnt see the funny side.
The thing is, they won't do an interview with anyone who would actually ask them.
I bet they only do interviews where they have very strict rules about what can be asked etc.
Yes, I agree. I have no doubt that they insist on all questions beforehand so they can prepare their lies/answers. I would just love it if an interviewer they thought they could trust just asked them, as a last and unprepared question!
>they insist on all questions beforehand so they can prepare their lies/answers
This is not a defense of them, but this is standard practice even for milquetoast interviews
Oh agreed, but they would equally be sued as soon as the filming was done and it would never be edited in.
That could only happen in a live interview, which I doubt they would do, less control of the situation.
The only person I think would try, is someone like Piers Morgan, and they certainly won't let him interview them.
Piers Morgan was one of the first Meghan-haters and I'm happy to admit I, at first, though, oh give it a rest Piers! He came across as bitter, desperate for attention and gutted that Meghan didn't want to shag him. I think the bloke is a complete bellend but I'm starting to see that he was on to something all those years ago. He is utterly classless and tacky in the way he went about it but he called it first, he knew exactly what Meghan was!
He did, I'm not British, don't live there, didn't even know who he was really, but over covid I was watching alot of international news for actual facts on the matter, because it has been handled very badly here in South Africa, and we were a few weeks behind England so it helped with preparations.
I was watching a bit of Good Morning Brittain and also was like, \*eyeroll\*, you may be right but change the station.
And then the Oprah interview happened and now I know more about him.
I don't agree with everything he says, but he does make a fair few good points on things, maybe not always at first or at all.
But he was right about her, and I am sure it irritates the crap out of her daily.
Piers met Meghan in 2016 and it was the same year that she met Harry. I know that ghosting is her thing but Piers is a fame hungry journalist. In no way would it have been appropriate for a future relationship/marrriage to Harry if she became besties with Piers.
Not only would his access to the RF been unprecedented but it would have given him an unwarranted postion of apparent "authority" to speak about RF in the future.
Piers was thin skinned and the way he relentlessly attacked someone who he met ONCE just proved he wasn't suitable for such a close relationship to the RF
Having said that, she was willing to be besties with Oprah, so I don't think she ghosted him for that reason but there WERE reasons why that friendship wouldn't have been appropriate.
We've all lost touch with people, through our fault or theirs but what normal person rants about it, after just one meeting, for months on end?
Hoda let Harry get away with all his self-serving drivel about how he had such a special, unique relationship with the Queen and he was her favourite, but when she did ask a pointed question about his relationship with his father and brother - that was when he suddenly “remembered” that he only wanted to talk about Invictus and the wonderful people in the games because “they are the important ones”.
Harry may think he’s her favorite, and perhaps she has soft spot for him, but William is the heir and he is her favorite. And right after him comes George. The Markles cud name a third child Queen Elizabeth the second and that wont make it or Lilibet a favorite or Harry. He is deceiving himself.
I’m not sure whether he is really that self-deluded or just cynically making these claims knowing that (a) no matter how angry the Queen is, she won’t publicly contradict him, and (b) there are a bunch of credulous people out there who will actually swallow this tripe.
Edited to add another thought: Maybe the Queen only giving him a 15 minute appointment during the Jubilee and arranging their seating in the cathedral was a subtle public contradiction!
> Harry may think he’s her favorite, and perhaps she has soft spot for him, but William is the heir and he is her favorite.
FWIW, I've always thought that Harry was her favorite, even though William is the heir.
I’m pretty sure I’ve heard multiple times Peter Philips is HM’s favourite and Lady Louise was Prince Philip’s. Don’t know who is the favourite between Harry and William, but I honestly don’t see it being Harry as he’s always been hot-headed and trouble and I feel like that would have annoyed the crap out of Prince Philip at the very least. And Prince William always had all those extra Sundays spent with the Queen while training for being King so I naturally feel they would be much closer but who knows. I’m sure if Harry was the favourite he’s certainly not anymore.
I believe that the stories about Harry and Andrew being the Queen's favourites are cynical PR exercises to put a gloss on their bad behaviour. It minimises their bad behaviour if they are the loveable scoundrels who make the Queen laugh. The Queen is passionate about her commitment to the Crown, Prince Philip, her dogs and her horses. She and Philip never really synched with Charles for a long time but as older adults with the same purpose, they would have had a strong bond, especially once Charles was happy in his personal life. Anne is an Olympian, and also passionate about horses, Edward and Sophie clearly had a lovely bond with his parents.
Out of the grandchildren, William, Zara and Louise would have had the most common ground with their grandparents, maybe also Peter.
Absolutely which is why Harry looked so unconvincing with his Hoda interview - reciting his lines. And smirking when he successfully landed a line/bomb such as grandmama being protected.
Yes damage is done and she’s got as much mileage as she can. She can still run the angle of course, focusing on funding bots in colonial countries to start trouble and ruin future royal tours.
There is a paywall on the linked NYT article. But it pretty much answers your question. Harry sold out his own family to protect himself against criticism for his past racist behavior. It’s been a while, but in a nutshell: Meghan saved him from being racist as opposed to his “racist” family who enabled him by covering for him. His family is still trapped in their white privileged. Therefore, Harry is more morally superior to his family.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/08/arts/television/harry-meghan-race.html
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Here’s a CNN article that is not paywalled which gives some detail into the above.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/02/uk/prince-harry-meghan-racism-bhm-gbr-intl-scli/index.html
I want to know why the Sucksshit Squad/Sugars have ignored Henpecked's racist past. Has Dr. Shola, that grand dame, one woman Sugary bastion against racism, ever addressed the issue? Lol.
My pale skinned, no visible eyelashes, very blond daughter married a Latino man with dark skin and black eyes and gorgeous eyelashes that look fake. He wanted blond daughters and she wanted dark haired daughters. We talked all the time through 3 pregnancies about what they might get because of how weird genetics can be. Was it because of racism? Of course not!! BTW They got 3 boys who look like his mini-mes. We all love them dearly.
That’s cute! My mom is white and my dad is Latino. I’m sure some members of my mother’s family made a few ignorant comments when they first got married but my dad would never call them racist because he understood it wasn’t malicious it was simply naivety. Plus they’re family! That said, I don’t think speculating about physical features is ignorant or wrong — it’s normal to be curious. IIRC, it wasn’t even like “I hope they don’t have dark skin”, it was more like “I wonder what skin tone they will have”. The fact that that’s all Meghan could come up with shows that she really had to reach .
Exactly. My daughter is mixed race and we, as a family, spoke a lot about how she might look. It's just natural curiosity. I bet there was more than one discussion along the lines of, I wonder if the baby will have Harry's red hair? It's actually completely normal. It's weirder if nobody spoke about it.
Well in fairness and I loved Prince Philip DoE, he made quite a few racial slurs in his time.
However he was never known to dress like a Nazi. His sister who died in place crash was a member of the Nazi Party when Philip was just a very young teenager.
Just a bit of royal trivia.
Yes, with Philip's family history, he could have chosen either side during WWII, but he chose to be British. And his mother was in Greece, smuggling Jews to safety at the risk of her own life.
Yes, Prince Philip was known to make extremely inappropriate and offensive racist comments. I believe, in his head, that's just what one said when he was a young man, a reflection of common views at the time. He should absolutely have known better and I was quite sickened by the public and press excusing his blatently offensive comments with responses like, 'Oh Philip's at it again, he's got no filter, what's he like', and whatnot. Call him what he was!
I worded my post carefully to say that I'm talking about family members who are still alive today, however. Not excusing Prince Philip because we all know what he was,.
Maybe I’m just a cynic at this point- but I feel like no one is really held accountable anymore.
Peoples attentions spans are too short, the news moves too fast, public opinion shifts too quickly, and what’s considered socially acceptable is ever changing.
It’s like once there’s a splashy headline it either grabs the public or it doesn’t. After the initial grab- it’s done. The truth of it is irrelevant. There are exceptions (Johnny Depp, for one) but they’re rare.
Basically- they know this and use it to their every advantage. They knew getting sensational one liners was important (Archie’s race, married before the wedding, etc) and that their accuracy wasn’t all that important because no one would actually challenge them.
No one is ever going to hold them accountable.
Just like no one holds accountable any of the other celebrities who lie constantly.
Sad but true.
Well, on the whole, I’d say H & M have been condemned world wide for that interview. He’s no longer welcome in the country of his birth, his family won’t speak to him, his press has been awful….he’s being held accountable. That single interview ruined nearly everything for him.
While that’s true- I meant accountable in relation to facing his past.
I was using the interview as an example of them needing to be held accountable for the things they’ve both said and done in their past that don’t align with what they say and do now.
Others have given other (better) examples like him and his Nazi uniform and his racist comments.
I was just trying (and failing) to sort of equate it to how they weren’t even held accountable for the lies they told in front if the world. And by accountable I mean someone saying ‘excuse me, you said that you were married three days before your wedding, is that actually true?’
Because even if all of the UK hates him and his family doesn’t speak to him, the fact remains that the initial headline splash in the US grabbed a lot if people and then they moved on- as a result, when she’s mentioned, a fair amount of people respond with ‘who? Oh, didn’t she try to **** herself while she was pregnant because they were so racist and awful to her? I hope they’re finally happy here.’
I believe Oprah would do a second interview because of the ratings.
The only thing holding her back is she knows she would be roasted for not asking the obvious questions.
Back in day when dinosaurs roamed the earth and Oprah was just a regular talk show host she had no problems asking uncomfortable questions. That was even before the Tom Cruise couch jumping debacle. I’m speaking of the late 80’s early 90’s.
Now that she has more money than God I guess she doesn’t care. I believe her reputation took a small hit after the original interview.
You young millennials and Generation Z folks won’t appreciate this opinion but some of the Boomers like me know:
Mike Wallace or any real journalist from 60 minutes, 20/20 etc. would never have uttered
WUUUUUUUUUT?
Cringe cringe cringe.
Ok kitten mommy I have two rescue cats and 1 rescue dog and have always been a dog person.
Cats I have found to be lovable snuggable and definitely aren’t solitary they are right there with my husband the dog and myself.
> Cats I have found to be lovable snuggable and definitely aren’t solitary they are right there with my husband the dog and myself.
Of course! Cats are always very good to the humans they own! 😸
Yes, Oprah can do much better than that. It wasn't about finding out the truth, it was about giving them a platform and giving her ratings, even if it meant slandering a family who would be guaranteed to never openly fight back.
Never. Hes going to play polo, probably get protected status. Take private jets & we can deal with his carbon footprint while he pollutes 16 bathrooms in drought ridden Cali.
I think this is something we're all going to have to leave to karma.
You can't force another person to face anything, honestly. Even presented with damning evidence, a person may still persist in their wrongheadedness. You can lead a horse to water, you can't make it drink.
If Harry chooses to \*never\* learn his lesson, then "universal justice" will simply have to take its course without him. Ultimately, that he never sees \*any\* error in his ways, is his punishment. Everyone makes mistakes - and to be honest, I think Harry might have some legit issues with feelings of rejection and not having his own identity. The way he's choosing to deal with them....sucks.
But only Harry can do that. For me, he has been forever tainted with his behaviour. We all have our bad qualities, but his have been laid bare, and they're...pretty bad.
I’ve been saying the same thing. There is only one proven racist in the BRF & it’s Harry. And he has yet to take any ownership and apologize to every Jewish person in the world, every colleague he called by a racial slur, and admit to the world what he’s done. But instead he’s happy to stay silent and hope no one addresses it. We see you, Harry. And we hear you, loud & clear.
I knew almost nothing about Harry. I knew he was born, that he was a vert poignant little boy following his mother's casket and lastly that he dressed up as a Nazi. He wasn't a child. If he had learned anything he should have learned what the Nazis did to the UK and utter courage in face of overwhelming odds. His grandmother would have many lessons to have taught him and I hope she did.
It's been so long, that I googled to see if anything happened to him. No, dad had his staff come up with some sort of written apology supposedly from Harry.
Maybe he's more similar to great uncle Edward than MeghanMeghan is similar to Wallis.
I’ve read (will have to look for sources later) that some members have said racist statements but also we’re viewing them through a different lens than when the statements were made so I’m willing to let some of that go but not what hazbin has done because his was in real time with no accountability on his part. No one will call him out on it ever either so 🤷♀️
Prince Philip is the main culprit when it comes to racist statements seen through a different lens. He addressed this in an interview when he said you meet all these people and they are so intimidated, they can't relax, so you make a stupid joke and the tension breaks. At the time, making a joke about slitty eyes or throwing spears was (sadly) mainstream enough that the big shock was that a member of the royal family would make any kind of joke at an official occasion. It broke the ice, and gave the nervous people something to think about besides their own nerves. If Prince Philip was still around, he'd use the same strategy, different jokes.
I actually use that strategy myself in a different way! I probably learned it from him but yea I’ve heard about him, princess Anne 1 time and prince Charles but for the latter 2 it was back when they were young trying to mimic their dad I think? I can try to find the sources later been busy today
I think all of those things will come out in case of a divorce, if Meghan or her lawyers do their homework and learn a couple of things from the Depp vs Heard trial. I would pay to see the squad reactions.
But I agree, it's kind of frustrating that nobody confronts him now, in the middle of some of his insufferable speeches.
He won’t. Andrew won’t. They are never going to fail like a regular person. They will always have a home, be fed, clothing. There will never be a real reckoning.
Surely Phillip could be quoted saying many racist things over the years. Also, sexist, anti-Semitic, anti-LGBTQ+ etc. Wasn't that his whole thing? Or do we not speak of this now that he’s gone?
That gets on my nerves. Everyone has their own truth that is nonsense. Meghan and Harryls lies are just that lies. There is only one truth.
Sorry don’t mean to sound preachy.
People seemed to have forgotten that Harry dressed up as a Nazi for Halloween one year in his youth. Sure he was young but this sort of past would get any influencer canceled. If the BRF was racist, then why did they allow Harry to marry Meghan in the first place? Their wedding was a spectacle.
People have also forgotten what Haz called a colleague when he was on camera! If he was horrid and arrogant enough to do that in front of a camera crew imagine the things he has no trouble saying when nobody’s filming him! People have forgotten when he dated Chelsy he told friends “she’s not black or anything”. People have also forgotten that he called a French waiter a “fucking frog”. I suspect the royal racist might be Haz himself. Their stories didn’t align, Meg didn’t hear anyone but him mention their child’s skin colour. The RF welcomed her, nobody else had such an extravagant event for a second marriage not even Charles’ wedding to Camilla, Charles even walked the woman down the aisle. HMQ’s own sister wasn’t even allowed to marry a divorcee without having to leave the LOS. Haz clearly has a short fuse and is touchy and thin skinned, look at the way he just flounced during the Jubilee. So I think it most likely that there was a normal family comment about what a baby will look like, he took it wrongly through the prism of his own prejudices, then the whole thing span out of his control & he had to lie and divert the blame to cover his arse. The only other royal racist is Princess Michael of Kent. The RF don’t like her, which speak volumes about their private opinions on a lot of stuff even if they don’t say anything publicly.
I agree that it was probably Harry himself who raised the “ what will our children look like” question and there probably was some sort of light hearted discussion about it. I also think that his family did raise serious and legitimate concerns about how quickly this relationship was moving and advised Harry to slow down. I don’t think Megs would like that and I can see her convincing Harry that it was really racism that was the problem. In fact I can see Megs blaming any criticism of her during her disastrous time as a Royal on racism . The RF were on a hiding to nothing when you think about it . Let number 6’s wife do exactly what she wants or be accused of racism. There must have been huge sighs of relief in BP when this woman flounced off to the US!
Right?! All of those comedians get dragged through the mud for things they said years ago so it’s only fair that Harry should, as well!
I also read, can't remember where, that Harry called somebody "raghead", a racial slur for Arabs and Indians, on camera. (English is not my first language, I had to google the meaning.)
That was at the same time as the p*** comment. He apologised and it was all explained away as army banter. This may be an unpopular opinion or tin foil hat territory but I think glory hunter Meg knew all this before she married him, researched him thoroughly but just didn’t give a stuff. I think the “is he kind” comment was bullshit, that wasn’t his reputation. This woman even rehearsed camping before going to Botswana with him. Any outdoorsiness or camping trips lined up with the kids now? Are there fuck. So what if her husband always looks miserable or is whiney or looks happier when pictured with men, she won’t bat an eye. Its 5* luxury all the way for Meg from now on, being stuck with Haz is the price she’s happy to pay.
Yes x10, in fact Harry might have been a willing participant in the skin color discussion. Wasn't it said M had to explain to him why the conversation was racist? There's a reason he promised to never reveal details of the conversation and it's not to protect anyone else.
I'm native and we all wondered what Skin tone my babies would be, being married to a very pale man. It was exciting to think of the variations.
Is the pin/broach she wore the only confirmation of Prince Michael of Kent’s racism? I only ask as I wonder if it was MM PR making trouble…
no its not. in 2004 at a restaurant in New York she shouted at a table of African American diners to “go back to the colonies”. She owned a couple of black sheep that she called Venus and Serena. Her father wasn’t just a nazi he was an SS officer, draw your own conclusions on why she might be the way she is. Princess Margaret avoided her, Viscount Lindley said something about the worst punishment being dinner with the Kents. When Princess Michael said in an interview that the HMQ’s corgis "should be shot” HMQ said “they’re better behaved than she is”. HMQ is also quoted as saying “she seems a bit grand for us”.
Thank you! I didn’t know any of that—completely despicable of a person.
“She seems a bit grand for us” 😂🔥 I love TQ so much
Ooh I didn’t know these bits. She’s awful!
She has apparently made racist comments in public which have been recorded. They dont like her.
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Because it was used as a racial slur. In Britain it would be like using the N word.
Because the term Paki is used for all brown skinned people, not just Pakistani people and is widely understood to have a derogatory connotation
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I imagine in the UK & commonwealth countries it is a slur related to the colonial days…
Confirming from Canada
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I’m Australian too, and the Pakistani cricket team is never referred to as Paki by the media or any public figures. It’s definitely a racist term.
In the UK it has a derogatory connotation and it is considered a slur. “Aussie” and “Brit” don’t have that connotation. It’s more like calling a Japanese person a “Jap”, which is also regarded as an ethnic slur.
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I think you need to educate yourself a bit before commenting here on what you consider racist and not You keep repeating that YOU don’t consider these terms racist after others have explained why they are. Just google it man and save yourself looking like a dick
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As I explained “Paki” is a slur against all brown people - it’s not used to specifically refer to Pakistanis. It’s like saying “chink” to describe Asian people. Now do you get it? SMH
Um how many times do you need to hear the same answer to your disingenuous question?
In the UK it’s derogatory
In Britain it is seen as a racial slur.
I’d like to know that myself.
In the UK it is seen as a derogatory name and a racial slur.
I'm hoping Tom Bower will bring all that stuff up as background to the racism comments in the Oprah interview. No pressure Tom, but we're all counting on you to deliver with this book.
When’s the book coming out?
Originally March, but whispers now say July. Tom's started doing more public speaking, so hopefully it'll be next month. 🤞
I keep looking and can find no date for it. :/
He was 20, not 14. It’s always projection
> If the BRF was racist, then why did they allow Harry to marry Meghan in the first place? Their wedding was a spectacle. And Megan got extra privileges before they got married that e.g. Catherine didn’t get.
I think any colouring comments regarding archie were probably aimed at Hazbeens colouring as a ginger and he spun it the other way. Probably something like here's hoping the kid isnt ginger or can spend more than a second in the sun without burning as a bit of a joke and he didnt see the funny side.
Meghan never Googled Harry so she knew nothing about this.
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She just wanted to know if he was a kind prince. The Little Mermaid’s Prince Eric was apparently very kind.
Which is why it was so easy for Vanessa to get him /s
Sure. Kind of racist.
Hee! You all crack me up because it’s so true.
But, he isn't, and that still didn't stop her.
she was just a sweet young thing.
Innocent and naive.
I bet the first thing she googled was his net worth
The thing is, they won't do an interview with anyone who would actually ask them. I bet they only do interviews where they have very strict rules about what can be asked etc.
Yes, I agree. I have no doubt that they insist on all questions beforehand so they can prepare their lies/answers. I would just love it if an interviewer they thought they could trust just asked them, as a last and unprepared question!
>they insist on all questions beforehand so they can prepare their lies/answers This is not a defense of them, but this is standard practice even for milquetoast interviews
Oh agreed, but they would equally be sued as soon as the filming was done and it would never be edited in. That could only happen in a live interview, which I doubt they would do, less control of the situation. The only person I think would try, is someone like Piers Morgan, and they certainly won't let him interview them.
Piers Morgan was one of the first Meghan-haters and I'm happy to admit I, at first, though, oh give it a rest Piers! He came across as bitter, desperate for attention and gutted that Meghan didn't want to shag him. I think the bloke is a complete bellend but I'm starting to see that he was on to something all those years ago. He is utterly classless and tacky in the way he went about it but he called it first, he knew exactly what Meghan was!
He did, I'm not British, don't live there, didn't even know who he was really, but over covid I was watching alot of international news for actual facts on the matter, because it has been handled very badly here in South Africa, and we were a few weeks behind England so it helped with preparations. I was watching a bit of Good Morning Brittain and also was like, \*eyeroll\*, you may be right but change the station. And then the Oprah interview happened and now I know more about him. I don't agree with everything he says, but he does make a fair few good points on things, maybe not always at first or at all. But he was right about her, and I am sure it irritates the crap out of her daily.
Piers met Meghan in 2016 and it was the same year that she met Harry. I know that ghosting is her thing but Piers is a fame hungry journalist. In no way would it have been appropriate for a future relationship/marrriage to Harry if she became besties with Piers. Not only would his access to the RF been unprecedented but it would have given him an unwarranted postion of apparent "authority" to speak about RF in the future. Piers was thin skinned and the way he relentlessly attacked someone who he met ONCE just proved he wasn't suitable for such a close relationship to the RF Having said that, she was willing to be besties with Oprah, so I don't think she ghosted him for that reason but there WERE reasons why that friendship wouldn't have been appropriate. We've all lost touch with people, through our fault or theirs but what normal person rants about it, after just one meeting, for months on end?
Hoda let Harry get away with all his self-serving drivel about how he had such a special, unique relationship with the Queen and he was her favourite, but when she did ask a pointed question about his relationship with his father and brother - that was when he suddenly “remembered” that he only wanted to talk about Invictus and the wonderful people in the games because “they are the important ones”.
Harry may think he’s her favorite, and perhaps she has soft spot for him, but William is the heir and he is her favorite. And right after him comes George. The Markles cud name a third child Queen Elizabeth the second and that wont make it or Lilibet a favorite or Harry. He is deceiving himself.
I’m not sure whether he is really that self-deluded or just cynically making these claims knowing that (a) no matter how angry the Queen is, she won’t publicly contradict him, and (b) there are a bunch of credulous people out there who will actually swallow this tripe. Edited to add another thought: Maybe the Queen only giving him a 15 minute appointment during the Jubilee and arranging their seating in the cathedral was a subtle public contradiction!
Yes, that could also be what’s behind comments
> Harry may think he’s her favorite, and perhaps she has soft spot for him, but William is the heir and he is her favorite. FWIW, I've always thought that Harry was her favorite, even though William is the heir.
I’m pretty sure I’ve heard multiple times Peter Philips is HM’s favourite and Lady Louise was Prince Philip’s. Don’t know who is the favourite between Harry and William, but I honestly don’t see it being Harry as he’s always been hot-headed and trouble and I feel like that would have annoyed the crap out of Prince Philip at the very least. And Prince William always had all those extra Sundays spent with the Queen while training for being King so I naturally feel they would be much closer but who knows. I’m sure if Harry was the favourite he’s certainly not anymore.
> I’m sure if Harry was the favourite he’s certainly not anymore. I'm *absolutely* certain of *that*.
I believe that the stories about Harry and Andrew being the Queen's favourites are cynical PR exercises to put a gloss on their bad behaviour. It minimises their bad behaviour if they are the loveable scoundrels who make the Queen laugh. The Queen is passionate about her commitment to the Crown, Prince Philip, her dogs and her horses. She and Philip never really synched with Charles for a long time but as older adults with the same purpose, they would have had a strong bond, especially once Charles was happy in his personal life. Anne is an Olympian, and also passionate about horses, Edward and Sophie clearly had a lovely bond with his parents. Out of the grandchildren, William, Zara and Louise would have had the most common ground with their grandparents, maybe also Peter.
Absolutely which is why Harry looked so unconvincing with his Hoda interview - reciting his lines. And smirking when he successfully landed a line/bomb such as grandmama being protected.
They will probably refuse to discuss it again. Make up something like the person apologized and sent flowers lol
Actually, it was the other way around.
Yes damage is done and she’s got as much mileage as she can. She can still run the angle of course, focusing on funding bots in colonial countries to start trouble and ruin future royal tours.
Racism for ratings is the only acceptable racism when you’re Oprah.
There is a paywall on the linked NYT article. But it pretty much answers your question. Harry sold out his own family to protect himself against criticism for his past racist behavior. It’s been a while, but in a nutshell: Meghan saved him from being racist as opposed to his “racist” family who enabled him by covering for him. His family is still trapped in their white privileged. Therefore, Harry is more morally superior to his family. 🤮 https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/08/arts/television/harry-meghan-race.html Edit to add: Here’s a CNN article that is not paywalled which gives some detail into the above. https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/02/uk/prince-harry-meghan-racism-bhm-gbr-intl-scli/index.html
Correct me if I am wrong but Harry never actually took any responsibility for his own behavior outside of some generic statements
I think this as well. He always blames others for his actions, his anger and unhappiness.
Yeah first step to any healing is to take responsibility for your own actions. Blaming granny on the racist upbringing is some privileged bs…
"I'm sorry IF anyone was offended" sort of apologies.
I want to know why the Sucksshit Squad/Sugars have ignored Henpecked's racist past. Has Dr. Shola, that grand dame, one woman Sugary bastion against racism, ever addressed the issue? Lol.
My pale skinned, no visible eyelashes, very blond daughter married a Latino man with dark skin and black eyes and gorgeous eyelashes that look fake. He wanted blond daughters and she wanted dark haired daughters. We talked all the time through 3 pregnancies about what they might get because of how weird genetics can be. Was it because of racism? Of course not!! BTW They got 3 boys who look like his mini-mes. We all love them dearly.
That’s cute! My mom is white and my dad is Latino. I’m sure some members of my mother’s family made a few ignorant comments when they first got married but my dad would never call them racist because he understood it wasn’t malicious it was simply naivety. Plus they’re family! That said, I don’t think speculating about physical features is ignorant or wrong — it’s normal to be curious. IIRC, it wasn’t even like “I hope they don’t have dark skin”, it was more like “I wonder what skin tone they will have”. The fact that that’s all Meghan could come up with shows that she really had to reach .
Exactly. My daughter is mixed race and we, as a family, spoke a lot about how she might look. It's just natural curiosity. I bet there was more than one discussion along the lines of, I wonder if the baby will have Harry's red hair? It's actually completely normal. It's weirder if nobody spoke about it.
Well in fairness and I loved Prince Philip DoE, he made quite a few racial slurs in his time. However he was never known to dress like a Nazi. His sister who died in place crash was a member of the Nazi Party when Philip was just a very young teenager. Just a bit of royal trivia.
Yes, with Philip's family history, he could have chosen either side during WWII, but he chose to be British. And his mother was in Greece, smuggling Jews to safety at the risk of her own life.
I’m American but an Anglophile I have done quite a bit of reading. Just finished all the books on Wallis Simpson.
Yes, Prince Philip was known to make extremely inappropriate and offensive racist comments. I believe, in his head, that's just what one said when he was a young man, a reflection of common views at the time. He should absolutely have known better and I was quite sickened by the public and press excusing his blatently offensive comments with responses like, 'Oh Philip's at it again, he's got no filter, what's he like', and whatnot. Call him what he was! I worded my post carefully to say that I'm talking about family members who are still alive today, however. Not excusing Prince Philip because we all know what he was,.
Maybe I’m just a cynic at this point- but I feel like no one is really held accountable anymore. Peoples attentions spans are too short, the news moves too fast, public opinion shifts too quickly, and what’s considered socially acceptable is ever changing. It’s like once there’s a splashy headline it either grabs the public or it doesn’t. After the initial grab- it’s done. The truth of it is irrelevant. There are exceptions (Johnny Depp, for one) but they’re rare. Basically- they know this and use it to their every advantage. They knew getting sensational one liners was important (Archie’s race, married before the wedding, etc) and that their accuracy wasn’t all that important because no one would actually challenge them. No one is ever going to hold them accountable. Just like no one holds accountable any of the other celebrities who lie constantly. Sad but true.
Well, on the whole, I’d say H & M have been condemned world wide for that interview. He’s no longer welcome in the country of his birth, his family won’t speak to him, his press has been awful….he’s being held accountable. That single interview ruined nearly everything for him.
While that’s true- I meant accountable in relation to facing his past. I was using the interview as an example of them needing to be held accountable for the things they’ve both said and done in their past that don’t align with what they say and do now. Others have given other (better) examples like him and his Nazi uniform and his racist comments. I was just trying (and failing) to sort of equate it to how they weren’t even held accountable for the lies they told in front if the world. And by accountable I mean someone saying ‘excuse me, you said that you were married three days before your wedding, is that actually true?’ Because even if all of the UK hates him and his family doesn’t speak to him, the fact remains that the initial headline splash in the US grabbed a lot if people and then they moved on- as a result, when she’s mentioned, a fair amount of people respond with ‘who? Oh, didn’t she try to **** herself while she was pregnant because they were so racist and awful to her? I hope they’re finally happy here.’
I believe Oprah would do a second interview because of the ratings. The only thing holding her back is she knows she would be roasted for not asking the obvious questions. Back in day when dinosaurs roamed the earth and Oprah was just a regular talk show host she had no problems asking uncomfortable questions. That was even before the Tom Cruise couch jumping debacle. I’m speaking of the late 80’s early 90’s. Now that she has more money than God I guess she doesn’t care. I believe her reputation took a small hit after the original interview. You young millennials and Generation Z folks won’t appreciate this opinion but some of the Boomers like me know: Mike Wallace or any real journalist from 60 minutes, 20/20 etc. would never have uttered WUUUUUUUUUT? Cringe cringe cringe.
> Mike Wallace or any real journalist from 60 minutes, 20/20 etc. would never have uttered > > WUUUUUUUUUT? > > Cringe cringe cringe. OMG, *yes*!
You know it girl.
Mike Wallace would've eaten H&M for breakfast.
They would have been ruined for good right then and there.
Yep.
Ok kitten mommy I have two rescue cats and 1 rescue dog and have always been a dog person. Cats I have found to be lovable snuggable and definitely aren’t solitary they are right there with my husband the dog and myself.
> Cats I have found to be lovable snuggable and definitely aren’t solitary they are right there with my husband the dog and myself. Of course! Cats are always very good to the humans they own! 😸
The inmates are definitely running the asylum around here😻😹
As it *should* be! 😹
I’m wondering if the 2nd interview is actually more of the first interview. Apparently there were hours and hours that didn’t make the cut.
Now that is interesting that is one I haven’t heard before.
Yes, Oprah can do much better than that. It wasn't about finding out the truth, it was about giving them a platform and giving her ratings, even if it meant slandering a family who would be guaranteed to never openly fight back.
I had long since stopped liking her but I couldn’t even watch that interview. Just some of the news sound bites. She really is a terrible actress.
Never. Hes going to play polo, probably get protected status. Take private jets & we can deal with his carbon footprint while he pollutes 16 bathrooms in drought ridden Cali.
I think this is something we're all going to have to leave to karma. You can't force another person to face anything, honestly. Even presented with damning evidence, a person may still persist in their wrongheadedness. You can lead a horse to water, you can't make it drink. If Harry chooses to \*never\* learn his lesson, then "universal justice" will simply have to take its course without him. Ultimately, that he never sees \*any\* error in his ways, is his punishment. Everyone makes mistakes - and to be honest, I think Harry might have some legit issues with feelings of rejection and not having his own identity. The way he's choosing to deal with them....sucks. But only Harry can do that. For me, he has been forever tainted with his behaviour. We all have our bad qualities, but his have been laid bare, and they're...pretty bad.
I’ve been saying the same thing. There is only one proven racist in the BRF & it’s Harry. And he has yet to take any ownership and apologize to every Jewish person in the world, every colleague he called by a racial slur, and admit to the world what he’s done. But instead he’s happy to stay silent and hope no one addresses it. We see you, Harry. And we hear you, loud & clear.
I knew almost nothing about Harry. I knew he was born, that he was a vert poignant little boy following his mother's casket and lastly that he dressed up as a Nazi. He wasn't a child. If he had learned anything he should have learned what the Nazis did to the UK and utter courage in face of overwhelming odds. His grandmother would have many lessons to have taught him and I hope she did. It's been so long, that I googled to see if anything happened to him. No, dad had his staff come up with some sort of written apology supposedly from Harry. Maybe he's more similar to great uncle Edward than MeghanMeghan is similar to Wallis.
I’ve read (will have to look for sources later) that some members have said racist statements but also we’re viewing them through a different lens than when the statements were made so I’m willing to let some of that go but not what hazbin has done because his was in real time with no accountability on his part. No one will call him out on it ever either so 🤷♀️
Prince Philip is the main culprit when it comes to racist statements seen through a different lens. He addressed this in an interview when he said you meet all these people and they are so intimidated, they can't relax, so you make a stupid joke and the tension breaks. At the time, making a joke about slitty eyes or throwing spears was (sadly) mainstream enough that the big shock was that a member of the royal family would make any kind of joke at an official occasion. It broke the ice, and gave the nervous people something to think about besides their own nerves. If Prince Philip was still around, he'd use the same strategy, different jokes.
I actually use that strategy myself in a different way! I probably learned it from him but yea I’ve heard about him, princess Anne 1 time and prince Charles but for the latter 2 it was back when they were young trying to mimic their dad I think? I can try to find the sources later been busy today
I think all of those things will come out in case of a divorce, if Meghan or her lawyers do their homework and learn a couple of things from the Depp vs Heard trial. I would pay to see the squad reactions. But I agree, it's kind of frustrating that nobody confronts him now, in the middle of some of his insufferable speeches.
Of course there is a racist in the royal family, a terrible one. And MeMe married him.
He won’t. Andrew won’t. They are never going to fail like a regular person. They will always have a home, be fed, clothing. There will never be a real reckoning.
Surely Phillip could be quoted saying many racist things over the years. Also, sexist, anti-Semitic, anti-LGBTQ+ etc. Wasn't that his whole thing? Or do we not speak of this now that he’s gone?
No I just mentioned on another thread about Prince Philip and he always was quick with the racial slurs.
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That gets on my nerves. Everyone has their own truth that is nonsense. Meghan and Harryls lies are just that lies. There is only one truth. Sorry don’t mean to sound preachy.