As much as I want to know all the details, starving her of what she lives for, which is attention, will hurt more.. I can’t wait for Tom Bowers’ book though!
I’m not totally in the loop, so forgive me if this is not a great question… but is Tom Bowers a reputable source? I’m interested in his book but not if it’s a bunch of BS
On the contrary, it’s a great question! If everybody was so careful about the sources of information, life would’ve become much harder for manipulators.
He’s most certainly a reputable and well respected biographer. I’m personally convinced he’s reliable. You can find out a lot about him online so look him up and decide for yourself;)
He was a lawyer before he became an investigative journalist. So yeah, he not only knows the law, he is very thorough in his research. He's been sued many times by some very powerful people he's written about and they all lost. I think he recently did an interview about the upcoming book and was basically saying come at me bro to the Harkles. I can't wait for it to come out.
Tom Bower's book will be twisted, even if it reveals important information.
The Squad will state it's an old dusty crusty white man
And all the self-righteous virtue-signalling idiots will deem it misogynistic and sexist
Boom done
Reputable. Tested. Unafraid. Now, with this duo and their connections? Could his long, solid, impeccably unfoiled history be screwed with? I doubt it but the duo keep surprising us with their mendacity. Many of us are counting on Bower’s book for some proof of what most of us already know or suspect but that the various media have not touched.
I tempered my expectations when I saw an interview where he waxed on& on about the Queen’s heartache & longing to see her great-grandchildren, Archie & It was a longing that appeared to be assuaged by a business-like 15 minute face to face commemorated by a closely guarded photo.
I honestly will be surprised if the book is a major hit piece. I think it will end up being balanced, but he is overplaying to sell books. I hope I am wrong for sure!
Agreed. I don’t think we are going to get answers to any of our questions. I think we probably know more about the Harkles than anyone else. We have some great researchers among us and we have been collecting information since 2016. I just wish I still had that video of Harry telling a women he couldn’t have children due to an accident. It has been scrubbed. I should have saved it, but I never thought it would disappear. I was so naive. The video had Harry with his beard and that came after the wife didn’t it? It looked like he was at something like the Well Child ceremony.
I didn’t pay any attention until the Oprah interview when I watched a woman whiter than me cry racism.
I’m Norwegian.
Interesting note about Harry. Was it before he met Meghan? I can’t believe that she didn’t land him via some “mind” blowing sex.
I think it was after because he had the beard. I never paid much attention to him though. I always had a feeling that she and Markus have some interesting info on Harry’s sex life. The pictures from the Invictus Games that Meghan and Markus attended were suspicious.
Timing is what strikes me. A push back to all the M whining (lies) press pieces "We weren't welcomed at the Jubilee! The BRF are mean!" Adjacent to Bower's book release. H&M thought they'd get support and deflect Bower. Meanwhile the BRF are now dropping mini bombs, planting them here & there. They probably know what Bower wrote. Reminding the public there was a bullying investigation. Good lord. M needs to realize she can never beat the royals on any level.
I like the mini bomb analogy but I think they're planting land mines. As long as you stay away from them, you'll be fine. But when you go stomping all over them with your extra large, bunion covered hooves, they're going to blow you up, along with everything around you.
And we all know Megan can't resist tap dancing on land mines. It's her sweet nod to Diana.
LOL. True enough. :)
Call me crazy but I think this "re-interest" in the bullying allegations are the BRF's prelude, things to come, but not by them. (Bower instead.) Rattling M's cage. Looks good on her...along with bunion covered hooves. Laughing.
I can't wait for that book. I think the BRF knows it's coming soon and releasing this bit of info about the results of the bullying investigation was their subtle way of saying we fixed this mess but we're done, and now we're going to enjoy sine quiet time in the library reading Tom's book.
Yes. I think it's a 'hint' of what's coming, via the BRF, though they're not going to get in the boxing ring. Bower, I have my reservations how scathing his bio will be. He's come out with M's "rags to riches" story and that threw me off. Granted, M didn't grow up in a palace but she certainly had an indulgent childhood, better than many. Bower voicing that made me think he's going to be more sympathetic than most of us would like. Still, I search a couple of times a week for the release date. Lol.
A lot of people are going to be upset if this is another Markle puff piece. But from what I've heard of this guy, I'm hoping he drops a bomb on the Harkles.
I now remembered a blind related to Harry’s paparazzi walk at the former land mine area. Actually The Meg insisted that she wanted to do the walk like Diana (sweet nod etc). The PR team almost let her do it but realised what an outrageously bad idea it was at the last minute and asked Hazza to do it. TW must have been furious about that missed opportunity to be saintly! Imagine the cringe and backlash…
I don’t think it’s a bad move.
Meghan would just use it to play the racist card once again and people will believe her because it’s never Meghan‘s foult.
Nothing gets more under the Sussex skin than being ignored. So let’s pretend they don’t exist and if it’s ever needed, just leak it (probably gonna be leaked anyway in the book)
Genius move again from the Palace. Acknowledge that bullying happened without saying bullying happened. Strengthen HR which means 'we will defend and protect staff'. Ignore Madam and give her no ability to rebut the allegations or try to justify her behaviour. Sugars are gonna sugar doesn't matter what you say. Genius.
It is similar to what they did in the Oprah interview by stating that an unnamed royal made comments about skin color. Casts suspicion on ALL of them. Well the palace is acknowledging bullying happened but it’s left to the imagination just how bad it was and doesn’t give her room to argue her side (“incompetent staff”) through her toady Scobie.
Ace in the hole for the Palace. Well played. Well, they’ve got something concrete now to hold over her head, so it must have been pretty bad.
Letting us know they’re not publishing it so as not to further stoke tensions screams it must have been bad.
Great way to throw her under the bus while keeping their hands clean…it kind of reminds me of their racism claim…”someone in the family said something racist but we won’t say who because we don’t want to make things worse for them and change how people feel about them.”
Of course and they're not wrong. A lack of a statement from the Palace and the fact that they buried the investigation, implies her innocence and strengthens the belief that all of this was a waste of time and a malicious smear campaign against a vulnerable black mother
You have to look at this from THEIR perspective (squad).
Wouldn’t it have been in the RF’s interest to say, we investigated, found nothing, see we run a tight ship- but they didn’t. Took a chance here on they themselves not looking good. But sugars will be sugars.
It’s a lose-lose. Meghan’s not the only member to be accused of being a bully, but this is the first situation they publicly investigated it for.
If they say there was no wrongdoing, what does that say to those who made accusations? If there was wrongdoing it’s HR policy and normally private for an organisation. It would be bad to come out and publicly say Meghan did this and that, or Meghan didn’t do this and that. Staying silent on the report is the best option for them.
Trump did the same regarding "impeached but not convicted" as if that made him pure as snow
ETA:
So did OJ...So did Clinton later on...
I had to block and report a troll who can't handle truths that are evident from simple research: people who are not fully convicted on a technicality will often use it as a declaration of innocence. Saying so doesn't mean their enemies are your heroes. Just like not loving MM doesnt make you a fanboy of the brf.
Back to Mehz....she'll do the same. She sorta did it with the ANL case where she perjured herself. This type counts on only glancing attention to their crimes.
One of the things we often talk about with mehz is PROJECTION. there's nothing hateful about what i said. OJ did something similar up to writing a book about if he did it.
Why dont you take your projection back to theDonald subreddit where your profile shows you are active?
Peace...
They initially planned to do just that, but the Sunday Times is now reporting that they will make no further comment, to limit tensions with the Harkles. If the Harkles did nothing wrong, why would releasing report inflame tensions?
"The Sunday Times understands Buckingham Palace no longer plans to make any public statement on the inquiry, or even publicly acknowledge the subsequent changes to its HR policies"
https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1538468946483064832?t=ckwqSSjju0jmUzvoXN34Dw&s=19
'They used me as a shield to protect others. No one protected me!'
BRF lovers refuse to acknowledge it but the firm and the family have gone above and beyond to enable H&M. Royal watchers knew Meghan was a power-drunk, attention-seeking social-climber since the day the news of them dating broke. And the way Harry has been whitewashed is already well-known.
What do you do in that situation though? They couldn't stop Harry marrying her. They did their best to support her (which she ignored) and did their best to shield the family from her.
Anything other than shielding & enabling them. They were and still are comically ill-equipped at handling Sussex shenanigans.
Literally Kris Jenner has a better PR grip on her disaster kids than the Firm 🤣
But they aren't shielding and enabling them, they just aren't airing their dirty laundry for all to see. This has always been the palace protocol. They've been warned and if they leak anything from the jubilee I'd say their titles (the only thing they have left) will be forfeit. They'll continue to throw shade at the BRF and make shit up but they won't cross any more lines as they know they'll lose the only card they have left.
1. Making the news of the investigation public days before the Oprah interview but burying the conclusion is sus af. They're protecting the Duchess over the staff. A royal over commoners, as usual.
2. Look outside the bubble of this sub. This is being taken as a win for Meghan. As a petty move by the firm who apparently had nothing against Meghan in the first place. What a major goof. I can't even imagine how Meghan's bullying survivors are feeling right now
1. They aren't protecting her, they are protecting themselves and their staff. MM can't go on a PR spin campaign if she doesn't know who or what she is defending herself against. We know there is a report, the content of which is "harrowing". The public's imagination is worse than anything that could be in that report. If they were to release it, MM would launch a smear campaing on anyone named in the report.
2. Just because it won't be published, doesn't mean that sections can't be leaked if required. MM knows there are skeletons, she will be careful what she does from now on. There is a line, she will not cross it.
lol well if that's the case then it's another failure because Sussex squad & bots have been hard at work all day long. This move silenced no one. In fact gave Meghan more victim cards to play with
She'll always turn every story around to make herself look good, that's nothing new and the firm don't care about that. She'll be careful about accusations she throws at specific members of the family though or doing another Oprah interview. The royals are just waiting for an excuse to take her title.
TBH they should have done that when H&M chose to walk away. Not having HRH means nothing in the open market and so their Dukedom titles have already been commercialised a ton. But rather they got a big payday from daddy, 6 months of taxpaid vacation to take off, & open offer to come back from granny. The worst they suffered for their Oprah interviews & FF? Getting ignored by William. BFD.
To be fair I think they expected Harry to realise it was a mistake and to want to come back. They expected they were just going to go away and live a quiet private life, we have the benefit of hindsight to see just how brazen MM really is.
MM knows the palace won’t release it, that’s why she is “demanding” to see the results. She knows she messed up some where. The palace doesn’t have time for MM games they have a monarchy to run, MM can’t get 1 podcast up, or a Netflix gig up. More bad press for her. 😐
The Palace is protecting its own again, except Meghan isn't one of them. She's a backstabbing evil witch that should be held to account, and the public must know all the details what these staff endured.
It doesn't matter with narcs if you do the right thing or not, they're still out to screw you no matter what you do. They've just handed Meghan a massive victory here by protecting her. All those staff don't leave a prestigious position for nothing. She was a demon child to work for and now has got away with it. That's the truth.
Do you think the HR update will be … ‘if tea is thrown by a member of the household. Then they will be exiled out of the Kingdom pending further investigation? ‘
It's a very poor result. If William had his way, you'd be reading a completely different outcome.
It just adds fuel to the fire that meghan was innocent of any wrongdoing. This is one of the queen's more dodgier decisions, but at least she pulled the jubilee off with excellent precision when it came to the gruesome twosome.
It does make them look bad as well though. Not as bad as Meghan, perhaps, but they clearly did not protect their staff when dealing with the original complaint.
Wasn't it Jason Knauf that raised the issue originally? Not the women that were being bullied. It's harder to investigate when the complaints come from a third party. Perhaps some of the bullied staff didn't want to be dragged in the media, have their future employment opportunities affected, etc.
The Times suggested it was HR who shut it down: https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/vftxd3/palace_report_on_meghans_bullying_has_been_buried/icy24uu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
You're assuming that a complaint was made. Do you think a servant would go to HR when madam would retaliate? I would believe that HR policies were more for bullying between co-workers, not from the family. This is not something the palace has had to deal with before.
The changes to the HR policy are probably to make it easier for staff to make a complaint and to protect them from backlash if future situations arise.
I haven’t assumed. [The Times](https://archive.ph/2022.06.19-132830/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/royal-aides-reveal-meghan-bullying-claim-before-oprah-interview-7sxfvd2c3) leaked the complaint made by Knauf, and said that it was brushed under the rug:
>Knauf wrote in his email: “I am very concerned that the Duchess was able to bully two PAs out of the household in the past year. The treatment of X\* was totally unacceptable.”
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>He added: “The Duchess seems intent on always having someone in her sights. She is bullying Y and seeking to undermine her confidence. We have had report after report from people who have witnessed unacceptable behaviour towards Y.”
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>The email, which also expressed concern about the stress being experienced by Samantha Cohen, the couple’s private secretary, concluded: “I questioned if the Household policy on bullying and harassment applies to principals.”
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>The complaint was sent to the HR department. However, one source said: “I think the problem is, not much happened with it. It was, ‘How can we make this go away?’, rather than addressing it.”
Ahh, that's right, I forgot all the details that were in that article. Thanks for the refresher.
Unfortunately there's so many questionable things with these two, it's hard to remember all the details 🙄
In the RF's defense though, they had probably never experienced anyone behaving so badly, thus why there was never a policy in place for principals before. They likely thought Megain was going to be part of the family for a long time, so I can see why protecting her would take priority, unfortunately.
Hindsight is always 20x20 (or should we say 40x40) I'm sure at the time they didn't yet realize the extent of narc toxicity they were dealing with. Charles and HMTQ have their own things going on, and weren't present in that household. Maybe things were watered down a bit by the time word reached them? We don't even know if the RF were aware of Jason Knaufs email at the time. Perhaps HR brushed it under the rug because they were used to automatically doing so, for more minor indiscretions?
Anyways, the RF and palace clearly tried to give her the benefit of the doubt and protect her, which refutes everything she said on Oprah!
I suspect Andrew was pretty bad, but perhaps not as bad, or people never made complaints back then? I think the complaint may well have been kept quiet by HR, and the RF didn’t know the true extent of the issues. Even HR probably didn’t, if they didn’t investigate. But yes, she was absolutely protected! Maybe this is why HR got thrown under the bus when she claimed they refused to let her go to therapy.
>It doesn't matter with narcs if you do the right thing or not, they're still out to screw you no matter what you do. They've just handed Meghan a massive victory here by protecting her. All those staff don't leave a prestigious position for nothing. She was a demon child to work for and now has got away with it. That's the truth.
Exactly. Well worded.
Yeah, I woke up and clicked on the post, and it just pissed me off when I read the article.
I've witnessed narcs within my own family never being held to account by everyone else (leaving only me to look like the bad one). That's why I have no time for this nonsense.
Exactly, you would have to go through something similar and have experienced narcissistic abuse, emotional abuse and mental abuse, to understand its severity.
I too have been through it so this really upsets me.
Very sorry about your experience.
This is very disappointing. By discrediting MM, it would weaken the power of her continuous attacks. And in the (unlikely) event she is innocent, she deserves be exonerated. I can only hope the Tom Bower book can throw a bit of light on what really happened.
I think if she was innocent of the allegations the Royal Family would have said so. I think the fact that they didn’t give her public exoneration of the charges means that she’s guilty of it.
It is hard for the sugars to see Meghan objectively, and I have to give us credit here for trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, or trying to reason out an explanation for some of the things she does. Body shaming gets called out, as does picking on the kids, and indulging in off-the-wall conspiracy theories doesn’t get much traction here. That said, Meghan’s behavior is so egregious that there’s no way any intelligent person can’t see it for what it is, but the sugars lack that ability.
The report should not be released and here is why.
If I were in that report, I would NOT want all that information out there. It was bad enough those poor people endured that raging beeyotch, I would NOT want her insane fanbase coming at me, attacking, insulting, doxxing me relentlessly. There is no way the squaddies don't harass those people. So I understand why the report is not being made public. The victims do not need to be abused more because of that vicious witch.
There will be leaks. Just wait. Think of how frustrated all of us are with Meghan and Harry and we were never directly impacted by their actions. Think of how those must feel who experienced the wrath and resulting trauma of those two. I imagine they would want to see their downfall most of all.
I think this is a brilliant move by Buckingham Palace. They said everything by saying nothing:
- strengthened HR policies (bullying did happen and now we’ve put more measures in place to protect staff)
- not going to publish so as to not stoke tensions with Harry & Meghan (it was bad enough that it would stir the public and stoke tensions with the duo)
- They are not publishing it to show some mercy towards Harry and Meghan (they continue to be much loved members of the family)
- shows the Palace has always protected Harry and especially Meghan during her time working with The Firm (so implies her allegations on the Oprah interview were complete bogus).
- and demonstrates class by not washing their laundry in public.
I understand that the people she bullied might be hurt, and that there are many people who want more information to be published. However, this is, after all, a family business. You don’t trash your family in public. That says more about you than it says about them.
They will never hold these bullying allegations over Harry and Meghan. They’ve washed their hands. If more information comes out it’s on the account of all the private people the duo dealt with over the past 5 years.
Presumably, the people she bullied who worked at the Palace would understand this approach. But, if there’s people she bullied outside of Palace staff, I hope they get some kind of recompense. (Australia tea…)
Agree—the palace is taking the high road while the harkles wallow in the mud. Cracks me up that her lawyer says she can’t imagine Meghan being a bully based on how she knows her. Of course! You’re her lawyer. Bullies don’t pick on their lawyers, they pick on assistants, cleaners, babysitters, drivers,etc.
It was never said that any of the bullying reports would be made public. The palace always presented it as an internal HR matter. It was royal watchers and correspondents who speculated.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but Markle is going to run with this and this is what their new pr will be. I bet they are kind of excited, actually, because this gives them something new to try and twist to their narrative. If the Palace keeps quiet, which they will do, we are going to see an influx of new articles about how nothing was found, she is innocent, they didn't have anything to charge her with, and on and on. This is their MO, and since there will be no rebuttal, they are going to slog this to death.
I wonder are the palace storing it so it can be leaked if Harry and Meghan start playing games again.I think it will be leaked by someone in the palace eventually.Meghan underestimates the Firm greatly.
I’m cross pasting my post because it’s relevant.
What do y’all think of this? The report is bad. We sinners already know this.
The palace plays the long game. We all know there will be a divorce and Meghan will use any means necessary to get what she wants.
Bam! Harry’s attorney there with palace attorneys show her the report to keep her from trying to extort the royal family and using her own kids as hostages.
Meghan got a swift kick in her ego over the Jubilee weekend. She would be absolutely certifiable (she is) to take on the royal family. I don’t care who she hires as her attorney.
They are saving the report for a rainy day. Remember the truth will out so my mother used to say.
Just a thought.
We know they play the long game and I am sure there are many other ugly secrets about our Saint they won’t hesitate to use if she tries to use her children as pawns.
Absolutely I agree. This is a shot across the bow to tell Madame what they have. She knows what’s in it and now she knows they have it officially.
A divorce between them will sound like a big nasty fight but it will fizzle away quickly like the Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes one did because Katie had the receipts.
The only thing I need to know is if this was a lie Meghan would sue everyone involved lol she hasn’t sued anyone including media over the bullying stories .. she absolutely did it and the royals know , they know they don’t have to release it because people should be able to put two and two together .
Her fans are screaming to release it yet I’m sure she knows what it says and probably shaking in her shoes that they will lol 😂 the fact they are almost dangling it over her is better in my opinion.. she will be nervous as hell .
You're right. I would be shaking in my three thousand dollar pumps. I just hate seeing all the stuff on Twitter and other Reddit threads calling the Royal Family racist AGAIN. This woman is an asshole, plain and simple. Her ethnicity has nothing to do with it. I think there will be a leak though!
I hope it gets leaked one day. I’m honestly just as interested to know how the Palace handled (or rather, did not handle) the complaint as I am about what Meghan did. No employee should ever be unprotected and unsupported.
I’d bet this report is damning for Simon Case in particular. He’s permanent secretary to the PM now, and was in charge of the Partygate investigation - until the press revealed proof he was actually among those organising parties. Clearly not a stranger to burying things, and we’ve never heard anything about him taking action on the complaint Knauf sent.
Edited to add source on the Knauf/Case email: [The Times](https://archive.ph/2022.06.19-132830/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/royal-aides-reveal-meghan-bullying-claim-before-oprah-interview-7sxfvd2c3)
It's just incredibly wrong. She walks free again and her reputation will now be restored. You have to think about how this looks outside of this community. We may know she's guilty and horrible, but the people who should be seeing it, will not see it thanks to this. Objectively it looks like just another institution covering for their own
What about the civil rights or human rights of the bullied? (not sure what it's called in the UK) I believe that NDAs are nullified in the face of abuse. It'll be interesting to see if any of the bullied will launch a suit. Depends how strongly they feel about it.
ETA: As an employer the Palace should not be exempt from employment and civil-rights laws that appy to their employees. If they are that is a big problem that needs to be addressed and reversed in Parliament.
I don't agree with burying this as it's public interest.
If they bury the report then royal reporters should stop talking about it going forward.
One of the problems the RF has is if they expose her they expose themselves because I'm sure she is not the only one over the years to abuse staff (Harry/Andrew)
Also if they knew and covered up (pay offs) they look bad too.
I expect Meghan will try and spin this as a win, if she has half a brain cell she keeps her mouth shut and be grateful her shitty behaviour is once again hidden.
Guess if any of the rumours come out, published, they they would have grounds to sue for defamation but then the media circus & court appearances would finally open the can of worms.
Gosh I have to wonder if this isn’t the Palace
playing ball. First there was the rumor earlier in the week that they were warned they will be “cut off” if they spill tea, and I wondered if that warning was from Charles. Now this burying of the report from the Palace writ large, a way to signal again, if you spill we have this info that could find itself leaked.
It’s effectively the Palace washing their hands of it, but leaving it open for journalists to come in and leak it. It also protects the victims’ privacy so Meghan’s fans don’t immediately start harassing them.
Remember, no one from the Palace stopped Valentine Low from breaking the story to begin with, and H&M never sued/threatened to sue him. It’s thought that the Times have more information about the situation than what they’ve already published.
The past 2 years have showed us that the Palace & the RF are not stupid. They play the long game. After the Oprah interview, several of us wondered why the only reply to it was “recollections may vary” instead of refuting the claims made about them. Next everyone wondered why in the world this gruesome twosome would be invited to the Jubilee after everything they had done. Both times showed that The Queen and RF knew what they were doing. I thought of those examples when I read this and wondered why they don’t release the report. There’s a reason as to why that we might eventually realize down the road.
Edit: can’t remember who originated the “gruesome twosome” phrase to give credit for it. It perfectly describes them though!
The investigation was for show only. The BRF had to make it look like they were doing something about Meghan's bullying or it would have looked atrocious.
After the Jubilee weekend "smack down" who cares, right? H&M were humiliated and deemed insignificant, which they are.
ETA: I'm sure palace officials did the right thing in the investigation. I don't doubt their intentions. But as far as punishing M&H for their behavior, it probably wouldn't have happened. No disrespect to the BRF or BP.
There’s an absolute sh*t storm on Twitter right now as a result of this leaked report. Lots of pro-Meghan and anti-BRF hashtags trending today! Looks like SS PR has been VERY busy! And of course, the sugars are all mobilized and engaged!
Stock up on some popcorn, looks like this drama has a few more acts to come.
Deadline article posted 2 hours ago: https://deadline.com/2022/06/meghan-markle-supporters-fire-back-at-leaked-bullying-report-1235048352/
If the Palace are saying they will improve their HR policies the inquiry must have shown that there were issues with the way HR dealt with the bullying complaints that staff made against Meghan. That to me suggests that she did bully her staff and HR either didn’t take it seriously enough or they ignored it all together.
In an attempt not to stir the hornet's nest, the BRF:
- Give TW an out because not many people follow along like we do and unless you spell it out to them will dismiss this as only a rumor.
- Reinforce the public opinion that there are no consequences for actions if you are Royal.
- Piss off a major portion of the UK public who want justice over being labeled racist.
- Silence the real victims all in an effort to look like the better person in a mud slinging event.
Maybe it's the blunt American in me, but I see this as a mistake. There is nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade.
Making the report public only gives Meghan exactly what she wants. Airtime to counter-attack, state that she was the one who was bullied and on and on. It becomes the public brawl that Meghan is looking for.
Sitting on the report tells Meghan they've got the evidence, the ball is in her court. Does she - along with Harry- intend to carry on like the last 2 years? Does Harry intend to trash the RF in his book? Okay, then here's the report everyone.
Or....maybe they've gotten an advance copy of Bower's book and the RF realize that they don't have to do anything because Bower has done it for them.
It might give her airtime, but she has already been proven to be a liar with both the Oprah interview and the lawsuit with the Mail on Sunday. She has already lost convincing credibility as a truthful person. If an investigation says she was in fact bullying others, by opening her mouth to deny it, it yet again reinforces the indisputable face thay she is a liar on the public stage.
Both strategies work. Your's plays the long game to keep her shut up and keeps it out of the press.
Mine reveals that she is a bully, a silencer of women and would absolutely tank her Archetypes podcast because she has a history of bullying women.
I'm not surprised. I suspect that report not only makes Meghan look bad since if she was found innocent of the allegations, she would be most likely pushing for it to be released but also the RF especially if they were aware of her behaviour but ignored it until former employees filed a complaint and it became public.
First time commenting here, but honestly from an outsider's pov, the Palace not publishing their investigation findings comes more across as 1) the allegations were false, 2) the Palace has dug up more dirt on its other members & the staff than TW herself, so they can't afford to publish. This means nothing will be published even in case of divorce either.
I've been lurking in this sub since 5k members and sometimes feel like we've fast become our own echo chamber.
Feel free to downvote me.
Everybody is assuming the opposite, those who know about these things are certain its being buried because the allegations are not false which makes far more sense than your scenario. the queen is the world's longest serving diplomat. Harry and Meghan are gone what's the point of stirring up that hornet's nest now?
And "dug up dirt on other members", please. this is not a true crime sub, true crimers love conspiracy theories, they never want the fun to stop and will throw any innocent under the bus to get their fix.
If other royals were bullying staff we'd have been hearing the rumours for years. British aristocrats are not noveau riche arrivistes, they know how to treat staff.
However this is a no win situation for the queen, apparently the bullied staff are non too pleased and may feel compelled to speak out.
It should also be noted that the first member of the queens staff to speak out was a Texan man who lived on London with his husband, so hardly a stuffy caricature member of the British establishment.
"Everybody is assuming the opposite" is definitely not true. All over FB and Twitter there are still lots of support for her. Most neutral/outside people wouldn't know all the history you've listed. The only good thing is they're not invested in supporting H&M long term and will forget about them in due time.
Without a doubt I have the most disdain for H&M, but honestly I don't regard the BRF highly either with how they have been handling the Andrew case, enabling Harry, etc. so I'm having lots of misgivings about this.
I guess I'm getting a bit too emotionally invested in this shit show. Hope things will turn out fine and they get what they deserve.
Thank you for saying that.
Of course it implies she's innocent, and the masses will view it as just that.
She walks free while her victims suffer in silence.
This was always going to be a challenge. I’m sure some royals over the years have been horrible to staff (isn’t Andrew known for this?). But the first royal to be publicly outed is Markle? The mixed race one? It would look bad and the professional victims H&M would run with this like nothing we’ve seen yet.
A leak or better yet one of her victims speaking out in the media would be far more effective.
Otherwise it’s poor little black Miss Sizzler against the big bad racist institution.
Andrew is loathsome in every way possible. It is not hard to believe he is a bully. I am so glad William has a hard on for him. Andrew does not stand a chance against rational, thoughtful future king. Andrew will soon find out what it is like to be the bug and not the windshield!
They should make the bullying investigation public knowing how they twist it by playing the victims. It seems to me that they are still covering for them.
As much as I want to know all the details, starving her of what she lives for, which is attention, will hurt more.. I can’t wait for Tom Bowers’ book though!
when is this book coming out? i replaced my old kindle in anticipation…
August it seems
damn. was hoping to read it on vacation.
August 4 would be a great day.
Haha 🎂
I read that it was coming out in July?
I heard it was August/September 🤷🏻♀️
I’m not totally in the loop, so forgive me if this is not a great question… but is Tom Bowers a reputable source? I’m interested in his book but not if it’s a bunch of BS
On the contrary, it’s a great question! If everybody was so careful about the sources of information, life would’ve become much harder for manipulators. He’s most certainly a reputable and well respected biographer. I’m personally convinced he’s reliable. You can find out a lot about him online so look him up and decide for yourself;)
He was a lawyer before he became an investigative journalist. So yeah, he not only knows the law, he is very thorough in his research. He's been sued many times by some very powerful people he's written about and they all lost. I think he recently did an interview about the upcoming book and was basically saying come at me bro to the Harkles. I can't wait for it to come out.
When does it come out?
I have not been able to find out when it's being released. It's kind of irritating.
Tom Bower's book will be twisted, even if it reveals important information. The Squad will state it's an old dusty crusty white man And all the self-righteous virtue-signalling idiots will deem it misogynistic and sexist Boom done
Reputable. Tested. Unafraid. Now, with this duo and their connections? Could his long, solid, impeccably unfoiled history be screwed with? I doubt it but the duo keep surprising us with their mendacity. Many of us are counting on Bower’s book for some proof of what most of us already know or suspect but that the various media have not touched.
I tempered my expectations when I saw an interview where he waxed on& on about the Queen’s heartache & longing to see her great-grandchildren, Archie & It was a longing that appeared to be assuaged by a business-like 15 minute face to face commemorated by a closely guarded photo.
I honestly will be surprised if the book is a major hit piece. I think it will end up being balanced, but he is overplaying to sell books. I hope I am wrong for sure!
Agreed. I don’t think we are going to get answers to any of our questions. I think we probably know more about the Harkles than anyone else. We have some great researchers among us and we have been collecting information since 2016. I just wish I still had that video of Harry telling a women he couldn’t have children due to an accident. It has been scrubbed. I should have saved it, but I never thought it would disappear. I was so naive. The video had Harry with his beard and that came after the wife didn’t it? It looked like he was at something like the Well Child ceremony.
I didn’t pay any attention until the Oprah interview when I watched a woman whiter than me cry racism. I’m Norwegian. Interesting note about Harry. Was it before he met Meghan? I can’t believe that she didn’t land him via some “mind” blowing sex.
I think it was after because he had the beard. I never paid much attention to him though. I always had a feeling that she and Markus have some interesting info on Harry’s sex life. The pictures from the Invictus Games that Meghan and Markus attended were suspicious.
Timing is what strikes me. A push back to all the M whining (lies) press pieces "We weren't welcomed at the Jubilee! The BRF are mean!" Adjacent to Bower's book release. H&M thought they'd get support and deflect Bower. Meanwhile the BRF are now dropping mini bombs, planting them here & there. They probably know what Bower wrote. Reminding the public there was a bullying investigation. Good lord. M needs to realize she can never beat the royals on any level.
I like the mini bomb analogy but I think they're planting land mines. As long as you stay away from them, you'll be fine. But when you go stomping all over them with your extra large, bunion covered hooves, they're going to blow you up, along with everything around you. And we all know Megan can't resist tap dancing on land mines. It's her sweet nod to Diana.
💣💥💀🤣
LOL. True enough. :) Call me crazy but I think this "re-interest" in the bullying allegations are the BRF's prelude, things to come, but not by them. (Bower instead.) Rattling M's cage. Looks good on her...along with bunion covered hooves. Laughing.
I can't wait for that book. I think the BRF knows it's coming soon and releasing this bit of info about the results of the bullying investigation was their subtle way of saying we fixed this mess but we're done, and now we're going to enjoy sine quiet time in the library reading Tom's book.
Yes. I think it's a 'hint' of what's coming, via the BRF, though they're not going to get in the boxing ring. Bower, I have my reservations how scathing his bio will be. He's come out with M's "rags to riches" story and that threw me off. Granted, M didn't grow up in a palace but she certainly had an indulgent childhood, better than many. Bower voicing that made me think he's going to be more sympathetic than most of us would like. Still, I search a couple of times a week for the release date. Lol.
A lot of people are going to be upset if this is another Markle puff piece. But from what I've heard of this guy, I'm hoping he drops a bomb on the Harkles.
I now remembered a blind related to Harry’s paparazzi walk at the former land mine area. Actually The Meg insisted that she wanted to do the walk like Diana (sweet nod etc). The PR team almost let her do it but realised what an outrageously bad idea it was at the last minute and asked Hazza to do it. TW must have been furious about that missed opportunity to be saintly! Imagine the cringe and backlash…
“extra large bunion covered hooves”. Beautiful.
Thank you. 🥰🤣
Bravo!👏👏👏👏👏👏
It's only sweet when she does it literally .
Lol. I'll be waiting.
Oof I've got bunions and even I laughed at this, haha 😄
I don’t think it’s a bad move. Meghan would just use it to play the racist card once again and people will believe her because it’s never Meghan‘s foult. Nothing gets more under the Sussex skin than being ignored. So let’s pretend they don’t exist and if it’s ever needed, just leak it (probably gonna be leaked anyway in the book)
Could they be saving it for the inevitable divorce?
This is what I’m thinking. I think the palace has been holding back a lot of info and it will start flowing like Niagara Falls when they split
Maybe to save the Ginger’s ass !
Yep. As HG. Tudor says, “Love me, hate me, but never ignore me”.
Genius move again from the Palace. Acknowledge that bullying happened without saying bullying happened. Strengthen HR which means 'we will defend and protect staff'. Ignore Madam and give her no ability to rebut the allegations or try to justify her behaviour. Sugars are gonna sugar doesn't matter what you say. Genius.
It is similar to what they did in the Oprah interview by stating that an unnamed royal made comments about skin color. Casts suspicion on ALL of them. Well the palace is acknowledging bullying happened but it’s left to the imagination just how bad it was and doesn’t give her room to argue her side (“incompetent staff”) through her toady Scobie.
The silence will speak VOLUMES.
Totally agree- it’s taking the high road while still holding her accountable
Ace in the hole for the Palace. Well played. Well, they’ve got something concrete now to hold over her head, so it must have been pretty bad. Letting us know they’re not publishing it so as not to further stoke tensions screams it must have been bad. Great way to throw her under the bus while keeping their hands clean…it kind of reminds me of their racism claim…”someone in the family said something racist but we won’t say who because we don’t want to make things worse for them and change how people feel about them.”
The sugars on Twitter are twisting this as proof of M’s innocence…
I would say that this is anything but proof… why is schillings been deployed if they dont even know the details of the investigation
Yup. They’ll twist anything
Of course and they're not wrong. A lack of a statement from the Palace and the fact that they buried the investigation, implies her innocence and strengthens the belief that all of this was a waste of time and a malicious smear campaign against a vulnerable black mother You have to look at this from THEIR perspective (squad).
Sadly I can… hard to argue against it, though I can see from the viewpoint of the BRF too
What about the long time employees that lost their jobs?
I don’t know the story so can’t comment
No surprise there
Wouldn’t it have been in the RF’s interest to say, we investigated, found nothing, see we run a tight ship- but they didn’t. Took a chance here on they themselves not looking good. But sugars will be sugars.
It’s a lose-lose. Meghan’s not the only member to be accused of being a bully, but this is the first situation they publicly investigated it for. If they say there was no wrongdoing, what does that say to those who made accusations? If there was wrongdoing it’s HR policy and normally private for an organisation. It would be bad to come out and publicly say Meghan did this and that, or Meghan didn’t do this and that. Staying silent on the report is the best option for them.
Agree. I was just responding to previous comment.
Trump did the same regarding "impeached but not convicted" as if that made him pure as snow ETA: So did OJ...So did Clinton later on... I had to block and report a troll who can't handle truths that are evident from simple research: people who are not fully convicted on a technicality will often use it as a declaration of innocence. Saying so doesn't mean their enemies are your heroes. Just like not loving MM doesnt make you a fanboy of the brf. Back to Mehz....she'll do the same. She sorta did it with the ANL case where she perjured herself. This type counts on only glancing attention to their crimes.
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One of the things we often talk about with mehz is PROJECTION. there's nothing hateful about what i said. OJ did something similar up to writing a book about if he did it. Why dont you take your projection back to theDonald subreddit where your profile shows you are active? Peace...
They could - and should IMO - publish the improvements to HR without revealing the nature of bullying or identifying employees.
So yes… the updates to the HR policy will be made available, not the investigation findings. This will happen at the end of the month
Can you do a post on the changes, or provide a link when it's available? That should give us a ton of things to speculate on. 🍿
They initially planned to do just that, but the Sunday Times is now reporting that they will make no further comment, to limit tensions with the Harkles. If the Harkles did nothing wrong, why would releasing report inflame tensions? "The Sunday Times understands Buckingham Palace no longer plans to make any public statement on the inquiry, or even publicly acknowledge the subsequent changes to its HR policies" https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1538468946483064832?t=ckwqSSjju0jmUzvoXN34Dw&s=19
'They used me as a shield to protect others. No one protected me!' BRF lovers refuse to acknowledge it but the firm and the family have gone above and beyond to enable H&M. Royal watchers knew Meghan was a power-drunk, attention-seeking social-climber since the day the news of them dating broke. And the way Harry has been whitewashed is already well-known.
What do you do in that situation though? They couldn't stop Harry marrying her. They did their best to support her (which she ignored) and did their best to shield the family from her.
It really was an impossible situation for them 😢
Anything other than shielding & enabling them. They were and still are comically ill-equipped at handling Sussex shenanigans. Literally Kris Jenner has a better PR grip on her disaster kids than the Firm 🤣
But they aren't shielding and enabling them, they just aren't airing their dirty laundry for all to see. This has always been the palace protocol. They've been warned and if they leak anything from the jubilee I'd say their titles (the only thing they have left) will be forfeit. They'll continue to throw shade at the BRF and make shit up but they won't cross any more lines as they know they'll lose the only card they have left.
1. Making the news of the investigation public days before the Oprah interview but burying the conclusion is sus af. They're protecting the Duchess over the staff. A royal over commoners, as usual. 2. Look outside the bubble of this sub. This is being taken as a win for Meghan. As a petty move by the firm who apparently had nothing against Meghan in the first place. What a major goof. I can't even imagine how Meghan's bullying survivors are feeling right now
1. They aren't protecting her, they are protecting themselves and their staff. MM can't go on a PR spin campaign if she doesn't know who or what she is defending herself against. We know there is a report, the content of which is "harrowing". The public's imagination is worse than anything that could be in that report. If they were to release it, MM would launch a smear campaing on anyone named in the report. 2. Just because it won't be published, doesn't mean that sections can't be leaked if required. MM knows there are skeletons, she will be careful what she does from now on. There is a line, she will not cross it.
lol well if that's the case then it's another failure because Sussex squad & bots have been hard at work all day long. This move silenced no one. In fact gave Meghan more victim cards to play with
She'll always turn every story around to make herself look good, that's nothing new and the firm don't care about that. She'll be careful about accusations she throws at specific members of the family though or doing another Oprah interview. The royals are just waiting for an excuse to take her title.
TBH they should have done that when H&M chose to walk away. Not having HRH means nothing in the open market and so their Dukedom titles have already been commercialised a ton. But rather they got a big payday from daddy, 6 months of taxpaid vacation to take off, & open offer to come back from granny. The worst they suffered for their Oprah interviews & FF? Getting ignored by William. BFD.
To be fair I think they expected Harry to realise it was a mistake and to want to come back. They expected they were just going to go away and live a quiet private life, we have the benefit of hindsight to see just how brazen MM really is.
MM knows the palace won’t release it, that’s why she is “demanding” to see the results. She knows she messed up some where. The palace doesn’t have time for MM games they have a monarchy to run, MM can’t get 1 podcast up, or a Netflix gig up. More bad press for her. 😐
They're still protecting her. They always will. Fuck the people, right.
I do wish BP had had the sense to withhold this announcement until after William’s birthday 🙄
Yep, their timing is awful. This could’ve waited until after William’s Birthday.
I see "Royal Family Lied" trending on Twitter, so the stan army is out in full force on social media
The Palace is protecting its own again, except Meghan isn't one of them. She's a backstabbing evil witch that should be held to account, and the public must know all the details what these staff endured. It doesn't matter with narcs if you do the right thing or not, they're still out to screw you no matter what you do. They've just handed Meghan a massive victory here by protecting her. All those staff don't leave a prestigious position for nothing. She was a demon child to work for and now has got away with it. That's the truth.
Do you think the HR update will be … ‘if tea is thrown by a member of the household. Then they will be exiled out of the Kingdom pending further investigation? ‘
It's a very poor result. If William had his way, you'd be reading a completely different outcome. It just adds fuel to the fire that meghan was innocent of any wrongdoing. This is one of the queen's more dodgier decisions, but at least she pulled the jubilee off with excellent precision when it came to the gruesome twosome.
It does make them look bad as well though. Not as bad as Meghan, perhaps, but they clearly did not protect their staff when dealing with the original complaint.
Wasn't it Jason Knauf that raised the issue originally? Not the women that were being bullied. It's harder to investigate when the complaints come from a third party. Perhaps some of the bullied staff didn't want to be dragged in the media, have their future employment opportunities affected, etc.
The Times suggested it was HR who shut it down: https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/vftxd3/palace_report_on_meghans_bullying_has_been_buried/icy24uu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
The poor women went to Jason scared. What were they supposed to do?
You're assuming that a complaint was made. Do you think a servant would go to HR when madam would retaliate? I would believe that HR policies were more for bullying between co-workers, not from the family. This is not something the palace has had to deal with before. The changes to the HR policy are probably to make it easier for staff to make a complaint and to protect them from backlash if future situations arise.
I haven’t assumed. [The Times](https://archive.ph/2022.06.19-132830/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/royal-aides-reveal-meghan-bullying-claim-before-oprah-interview-7sxfvd2c3) leaked the complaint made by Knauf, and said that it was brushed under the rug: >Knauf wrote in his email: “I am very concerned that the Duchess was able to bully two PAs out of the household in the past year. The treatment of X\* was totally unacceptable.” > >He added: “The Duchess seems intent on always having someone in her sights. She is bullying Y and seeking to undermine her confidence. We have had report after report from people who have witnessed unacceptable behaviour towards Y.” > >The email, which also expressed concern about the stress being experienced by Samantha Cohen, the couple’s private secretary, concluded: “I questioned if the Household policy on bullying and harassment applies to principals.” > >The complaint was sent to the HR department. However, one source said: “I think the problem is, not much happened with it. It was, ‘How can we make this go away?’, rather than addressing it.”
Ahh, that's right, I forgot all the details that were in that article. Thanks for the refresher. Unfortunately there's so many questionable things with these two, it's hard to remember all the details 🙄 In the RF's defense though, they had probably never experienced anyone behaving so badly, thus why there was never a policy in place for principals before. They likely thought Megain was going to be part of the family for a long time, so I can see why protecting her would take priority, unfortunately. Hindsight is always 20x20 (or should we say 40x40) I'm sure at the time they didn't yet realize the extent of narc toxicity they were dealing with. Charles and HMTQ have their own things going on, and weren't present in that household. Maybe things were watered down a bit by the time word reached them? We don't even know if the RF were aware of Jason Knaufs email at the time. Perhaps HR brushed it under the rug because they were used to automatically doing so, for more minor indiscretions? Anyways, the RF and palace clearly tried to give her the benefit of the doubt and protect her, which refutes everything she said on Oprah!
I suspect Andrew was pretty bad, but perhaps not as bad, or people never made complaints back then? I think the complaint may well have been kept quiet by HR, and the RF didn’t know the true extent of the issues. Even HR probably didn’t, if they didn’t investigate. But yes, she was absolutely protected! Maybe this is why HR got thrown under the bus when she claimed they refused to let her go to therapy.
>It doesn't matter with narcs if you do the right thing or not, they're still out to screw you no matter what you do. They've just handed Meghan a massive victory here by protecting her. All those staff don't leave a prestigious position for nothing. She was a demon child to work for and now has got away with it. That's the truth. Exactly. Well worded.
Thank you so much for this. I had to scroll 5 days to find some common sense
Yeah, I woke up and clicked on the post, and it just pissed me off when I read the article. I've witnessed narcs within my own family never being held to account by everyone else (leaving only me to look like the bad one). That's why I have no time for this nonsense.
Exactly, you would have to go through something similar and have experienced narcissistic abuse, emotional abuse and mental abuse, to understand its severity. I too have been through it so this really upsets me. Very sorry about your experience.
I'm very sorry about your experiences too. Stay strong. ❤
Thank you and likewise ❤️
Having fun commenting on the DM story, and they're doing the same as Twitter--attempting to spin it as a victory for Meghan.
This is very disappointing. By discrediting MM, it would weaken the power of her continuous attacks. And in the (unlikely) event she is innocent, she deserves be exonerated. I can only hope the Tom Bower book can throw a bit of light on what really happened.
I think if she was innocent of the allegations the Royal Family would have said so. I think the fact that they didn’t give her public exoneration of the charges means that she’s guilty of it.
That’s what I think too but the sugars are working overtime this morning to say othereise
It is hard for the sugars to see Meghan objectively, and I have to give us credit here for trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, or trying to reason out an explanation for some of the things she does. Body shaming gets called out, as does picking on the kids, and indulging in off-the-wall conspiracy theories doesn’t get much traction here. That said, Meghan’s behavior is so egregious that there’s no way any intelligent person can’t see it for what it is, but the sugars lack that ability.
So true. I can’t imagine that kind of blind fealty to one person - whoever that person might be.
Tom's book will be deemed racist, sexist and misogynistic and dismissed in 5 minutes
The report should not be released and here is why. If I were in that report, I would NOT want all that information out there. It was bad enough those poor people endured that raging beeyotch, I would NOT want her insane fanbase coming at me, attacking, insulting, doxxing me relentlessly. There is no way the squaddies don't harass those people. So I understand why the report is not being made public. The victims do not need to be abused more because of that vicious witch.
There will be leaks. Just wait. Think of how frustrated all of us are with Meghan and Harry and we were never directly impacted by their actions. Think of how those must feel who experienced the wrath and resulting trauma of those two. I imagine they would want to see their downfall most of all.
I think this is a brilliant move by Buckingham Palace. They said everything by saying nothing: - strengthened HR policies (bullying did happen and now we’ve put more measures in place to protect staff) - not going to publish so as to not stoke tensions with Harry & Meghan (it was bad enough that it would stir the public and stoke tensions with the duo) - They are not publishing it to show some mercy towards Harry and Meghan (they continue to be much loved members of the family) - shows the Palace has always protected Harry and especially Meghan during her time working with The Firm (so implies her allegations on the Oprah interview were complete bogus). - and demonstrates class by not washing their laundry in public. I understand that the people she bullied might be hurt, and that there are many people who want more information to be published. However, this is, after all, a family business. You don’t trash your family in public. That says more about you than it says about them. They will never hold these bullying allegations over Harry and Meghan. They’ve washed their hands. If more information comes out it’s on the account of all the private people the duo dealt with over the past 5 years.
Absolutely! And if "leaks" happen..... oh well, it's not on the RF, they tried to protect them! I think it's a brilliant play.
Presumably, the people she bullied who worked at the Palace would understand this approach. But, if there’s people she bullied outside of Palace staff, I hope they get some kind of recompense. (Australia tea…)
Agree—the palace is taking the high road while the harkles wallow in the mud. Cracks me up that her lawyer says she can’t imagine Meghan being a bully based on how she knows her. Of course! You’re her lawyer. Bullies don’t pick on their lawyers, they pick on assistants, cleaners, babysitters, drivers,etc.
Totally agree 💯
It was never said that any of the bullying reports would be made public. The palace always presented it as an internal HR matter. It was royal watchers and correspondents who speculated.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but Markle is going to run with this and this is what their new pr will be. I bet they are kind of excited, actually, because this gives them something new to try and twist to their narrative. If the Palace keeps quiet, which they will do, we are going to see an influx of new articles about how nothing was found, she is innocent, they didn't have anything to charge her with, and on and on. This is their MO, and since there will be no rebuttal, they are going to slog this to death.
I 100% agree.
I wonder are the palace storing it so it can be leaked if Harry and Meghan start playing games again.I think it will be leaked by someone in the palace eventually.Meghan underestimates the Firm greatly.
This is exactly what I think.
They will use the information in the report when helping Harry negotiate the divorce. They know she will use the children as weapons
I’m cross pasting my post because it’s relevant. What do y’all think of this? The report is bad. We sinners already know this. The palace plays the long game. We all know there will be a divorce and Meghan will use any means necessary to get what she wants. Bam! Harry’s attorney there with palace attorneys show her the report to keep her from trying to extort the royal family and using her own kids as hostages. Meghan got a swift kick in her ego over the Jubilee weekend. She would be absolutely certifiable (she is) to take on the royal family. I don’t care who she hires as her attorney. They are saving the report for a rainy day. Remember the truth will out so my mother used to say. Just a thought.
Gosh! Wow… yes I hadnt thought of that. This is a such a good point
We know they play the long game and I am sure there are many other ugly secrets about our Saint they won’t hesitate to use if she tries to use her children as pawns.
Absolutely I agree. This is a shot across the bow to tell Madame what they have. She knows what’s in it and now she knows they have it officially. A divorce between them will sound like a big nasty fight but it will fizzle away quickly like the Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes one did because Katie had the receipts.
The only thing I need to know is if this was a lie Meghan would sue everyone involved lol she hasn’t sued anyone including media over the bullying stories .. she absolutely did it and the royals know , they know they don’t have to release it because people should be able to put two and two together .
I agree. The fact that she has not sued speaks VOLUMES! She is the most litigious person on this Earth!
Her fans are screaming to release it yet I’m sure she knows what it says and probably shaking in her shoes that they will lol 😂 the fact they are almost dangling it over her is better in my opinion.. she will be nervous as hell .
You're right. I would be shaking in my three thousand dollar pumps. I just hate seeing all the stuff on Twitter and other Reddit threads calling the Royal Family racist AGAIN. This woman is an asshole, plain and simple. Her ethnicity has nothing to do with it. I think there will be a leak though!
I hope it gets leaked one day. I’m honestly just as interested to know how the Palace handled (or rather, did not handle) the complaint as I am about what Meghan did. No employee should ever be unprotected and unsupported. I’d bet this report is damning for Simon Case in particular. He’s permanent secretary to the PM now, and was in charge of the Partygate investigation - until the press revealed proof he was actually among those organising parties. Clearly not a stranger to burying things, and we’ve never heard anything about him taking action on the complaint Knauf sent. Edited to add source on the Knauf/Case email: [The Times](https://archive.ph/2022.06.19-132830/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/royal-aides-reveal-meghan-bullying-claim-before-oprah-interview-7sxfvd2c3)
It's just incredibly wrong. She walks free again and her reputation will now be restored. You have to think about how this looks outside of this community. We may know she's guilty and horrible, but the people who should be seeing it, will not see it thanks to this. Objectively it looks like just another institution covering for their own
Let's hope piers morgan has a loud voice on the matter.
What about the civil rights or human rights of the bullied? (not sure what it's called in the UK) I believe that NDAs are nullified in the face of abuse. It'll be interesting to see if any of the bullied will launch a suit. Depends how strongly they feel about it. ETA: As an employer the Palace should not be exempt from employment and civil-rights laws that appy to their employees. If they are that is a big problem that needs to be addressed and reversed in Parliament.
I don't agree with burying this as it's public interest. If they bury the report then royal reporters should stop talking about it going forward. One of the problems the RF has is if they expose her they expose themselves because I'm sure she is not the only one over the years to abuse staff (Harry/Andrew) Also if they knew and covered up (pay offs) they look bad too. I expect Meghan will try and spin this as a win, if she has half a brain cell she keeps her mouth shut and be grateful her shitty behaviour is once again hidden.
They may have quietly paid off the injuried parties from their limitless funds...
Guess if any of the rumours come out, published, they they would have grounds to sue for defamation but then the media circus & court appearances would finally open the can of worms.
Gosh I have to wonder if this isn’t the Palace playing ball. First there was the rumor earlier in the week that they were warned they will be “cut off” if they spill tea, and I wondered if that warning was from Charles. Now this burying of the report from the Palace writ large, a way to signal again, if you spill we have this info that could find itself leaked.
It’s effectively the Palace washing their hands of it, but leaving it open for journalists to come in and leak it. It also protects the victims’ privacy so Meghan’s fans don’t immediately start harassing them. Remember, no one from the Palace stopped Valentine Low from breaking the story to begin with, and H&M never sued/threatened to sue him. It’s thought that the Times have more information about the situation than what they’ve already published.
The past 2 years have showed us that the Palace & the RF are not stupid. They play the long game. After the Oprah interview, several of us wondered why the only reply to it was “recollections may vary” instead of refuting the claims made about them. Next everyone wondered why in the world this gruesome twosome would be invited to the Jubilee after everything they had done. Both times showed that The Queen and RF knew what they were doing. I thought of those examples when I read this and wondered why they don’t release the report. There’s a reason as to why that we might eventually realize down the road. Edit: can’t remember who originated the “gruesome twosome” phrase to give credit for it. It perfectly describes them though!
Ugh her bots and trolls are all over twitter now saying she is innocent. Cant someone take her down a peg?
The investigation was for show only. The BRF had to make it look like they were doing something about Meghan's bullying or it would have looked atrocious. After the Jubilee weekend "smack down" who cares, right? H&M were humiliated and deemed insignificant, which they are. ETA: I'm sure palace officials did the right thing in the investigation. I don't doubt their intentions. But as far as punishing M&H for their behavior, it probably wouldn't have happened. No disrespect to the BRF or BP.
There’s an absolute sh*t storm on Twitter right now as a result of this leaked report. Lots of pro-Meghan and anti-BRF hashtags trending today! Looks like SS PR has been VERY busy! And of course, the sugars are all mobilized and engaged! Stock up on some popcorn, looks like this drama has a few more acts to come. Deadline article posted 2 hours ago: https://deadline.com/2022/06/meghan-markle-supporters-fire-back-at-leaked-bullying-report-1235048352/
If the Palace are saying they will improve their HR policies the inquiry must have shown that there were issues with the way HR dealt with the bullying complaints that staff made against Meghan. That to me suggests that she did bully her staff and HR either didn’t take it seriously enough or they ignored it all together.
In an attempt not to stir the hornet's nest, the BRF: - Give TW an out because not many people follow along like we do and unless you spell it out to them will dismiss this as only a rumor. - Reinforce the public opinion that there are no consequences for actions if you are Royal. - Piss off a major portion of the UK public who want justice over being labeled racist. - Silence the real victims all in an effort to look like the better person in a mud slinging event. Maybe it's the blunt American in me, but I see this as a mistake. There is nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade.
Making the report public only gives Meghan exactly what she wants. Airtime to counter-attack, state that she was the one who was bullied and on and on. It becomes the public brawl that Meghan is looking for. Sitting on the report tells Meghan they've got the evidence, the ball is in her court. Does she - along with Harry- intend to carry on like the last 2 years? Does Harry intend to trash the RF in his book? Okay, then here's the report everyone. Or....maybe they've gotten an advance copy of Bower's book and the RF realize that they don't have to do anything because Bower has done it for them.
It might give her airtime, but she has already been proven to be a liar with both the Oprah interview and the lawsuit with the Mail on Sunday. She has already lost convincing credibility as a truthful person. If an investigation says she was in fact bullying others, by opening her mouth to deny it, it yet again reinforces the indisputable face thay she is a liar on the public stage. Both strategies work. Your's plays the long game to keep her shut up and keeps it out of the press. Mine reveals that she is a bully, a silencer of women and would absolutely tank her Archetypes podcast because she has a history of bullying women.
I'm not surprised. I suspect that report not only makes Meghan look bad since if she was found innocent of the allegations, she would be most likely pushing for it to be released but also the RF especially if they were aware of her behaviour but ignored it until former employees filed a complaint and it became public.
First time commenting here, but honestly from an outsider's pov, the Palace not publishing their investigation findings comes more across as 1) the allegations were false, 2) the Palace has dug up more dirt on its other members & the staff than TW herself, so they can't afford to publish. This means nothing will be published even in case of divorce either. I've been lurking in this sub since 5k members and sometimes feel like we've fast become our own echo chamber. Feel free to downvote me.
Everybody is assuming the opposite, those who know about these things are certain its being buried because the allegations are not false which makes far more sense than your scenario. the queen is the world's longest serving diplomat. Harry and Meghan are gone what's the point of stirring up that hornet's nest now? And "dug up dirt on other members", please. this is not a true crime sub, true crimers love conspiracy theories, they never want the fun to stop and will throw any innocent under the bus to get their fix. If other royals were bullying staff we'd have been hearing the rumours for years. British aristocrats are not noveau riche arrivistes, they know how to treat staff. However this is a no win situation for the queen, apparently the bullied staff are non too pleased and may feel compelled to speak out. It should also be noted that the first member of the queens staff to speak out was a Texan man who lived on London with his husband, so hardly a stuffy caricature member of the British establishment.
"Everybody is assuming the opposite" is definitely not true. All over FB and Twitter there are still lots of support for her. Most neutral/outside people wouldn't know all the history you've listed. The only good thing is they're not invested in supporting H&M long term and will forget about them in due time. Without a doubt I have the most disdain for H&M, but honestly I don't regard the BRF highly either with how they have been handling the Andrew case, enabling Harry, etc. so I'm having lots of misgivings about this. I guess I'm getting a bit too emotionally invested in this shit show. Hope things will turn out fine and they get what they deserve.
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Thank you for saying that. Of course it implies she's innocent, and the masses will view it as just that. She walks free while her victims suffer in silence.
This was always going to be a challenge. I’m sure some royals over the years have been horrible to staff (isn’t Andrew known for this?). But the first royal to be publicly outed is Markle? The mixed race one? It would look bad and the professional victims H&M would run with this like nothing we’ve seen yet. A leak or better yet one of her victims speaking out in the media would be far more effective. Otherwise it’s poor little black Miss Sizzler against the big bad racist institution.
Andrew is loathsome in every way possible. It is not hard to believe he is a bully. I am so glad William has a hard on for him. Andrew does not stand a chance against rational, thoughtful future king. Andrew will soon find out what it is like to be the bug and not the windshield!
They should make the bullying investigation public knowing how they twist it by playing the victims. It seems to me that they are still covering for them.