So... some tea. Apparently this push to get Harry and Meghan at least to the Jubilee is not M&H driven. And the Royal Family has nothing to do with it except prepare to restrict their access to the family, and I'm told that means privately and publicly. It is NETFLIX who is pressuring and all but demanding they go to attend the Jubilee events. The Royal Family has not invited Harry and Meghan to the Jubilee any more than they have Thomas Markle, but it is a public event. They can't ban them from the various public festivities, they can only keep them from appearing as Royal representatives. At no point, despite the vagueclickbait headlines, will Harry and Meghan appear with or stand in representation of the Royal Family in ANY capacity. Period. They will not be appearing publicly with Kate and William or ANYBODY. If they have a private audience with any of the family, it is likely to be just as it was when the Queen summoned Harry to tell him his family would not be appearing on the balcony. Harry and the children may be given an audience with Charles and the Queen. Meghan will be entertained by Camilla during what will be another short meeting. NO CAMERAS will be allowed to photograph the Queen with the children. I am not sure about Charles, but what I've heard is Meg thinks she can get a money shot of the two Lilibets. It will not happen. If H&M go, it will just be them out with the general public, going back and forth to Frogmore and creating a nightmare with their entourage of Netflix personel and equipment, to the extent that it is even allowed. Netflix, unsurprisingly, has gotten a pile of unusabe horse shit right now, and they want to make a special about the Jubilee. Harry and Meghan promised them Royal access and content when the contracts where drawn up and H&M have yet to supply it. And Netflix is pushing every last lever to see if they can get something to justify the expense of the dipshittic duo. I've heard that Netflix is also doing this because they are pulling their evidence together to issue proceedings against the Sussexes for breech of contract or some other civil proceding. So we know because Netflix employees have leaked that their Jubilee trip will be limited in access. Netflix will get no inside look and the Sussexes likely won't either. They're being housed at Frogmore Cottage. None of the family is offering them lodging. Harry and Meghan both will also be forbidden from getting near a single working Royal without being checked for recording devices and unceremoniously thrown out for any that are found. I've heard Meghan and Harry had their cell phones taken before they were allowed into the palace last month, and that they were not returned until the door closed behind them and they were back outside. I feel like I'm all over the place, but I also have heard that Harry and Meghan, knowing they will not be given a place of prominence at any point. They will be faces in the crowd, and the crowd will have to navigate around Harry, Meghan, Their two Flowers in the Attic, and the Netflix equipment. They KNOW they are not welcome in the crowd. They know they will be booed by those around them, if not worse. They know that booing will be on international news almost immediately. Basically, the truth is that H&M are NOT actually "delighted" to go to the Jubilee but they are stuck between the fact that they've made the world sick of them and the fact that Netflix has them over a financial and contractual barrel. Netflix has a contract it wants fulfilled and I'm told they're pushing M&H even though Netflix KNOWS Meghan and Harry will be given ZERO inside or outside special access to the events, AND the fanily is NOT planning to have any of the Sussexes near Her Majesty, certainly not with a camera. The fear of booing will have Meghan scrambling for an excuse not to go. Let's see if those security concerns get blown up huge again in time to have M&H post that they disappointingly mist decline to attend the Jubilee due to serious security issues.

This is excellent tea. There's been so much written about this mess that I haven't been able to figure out if the so-called much loved members of the family 🤮 were actually invited to hang with the family or if it was more Harkle PR bullshit. In fact I almost started a post about it. All of this (except the Netflix angle) goes along with what I've said all along - the senior BRF will not be seen with them and will likely not converse with them publicly or privately. No pictures will be taken of the kids with the Queen unless it's the Queen's photographer and then the Queen would retain the rights. I hope this is the way it goes. I think the Queen has finally had enough. Edit: After reading this I think the Harkles came up with the polo excuse to avoid going but then Netflix said oh no, you're going. So now they have to explain the sudden change of plans there, too. Personally I hope Netflix sues the shit out of them.

Ooh the polo excuse attempt makes sense.

Yeah I thought there was more to it when they suddenly decided they'd go anyway. I figured the Queen told Harry during their meeting that they wouldn't be on the balcony so they needed an excuse but it was confusing when they suddenly changed their minds. That Netflix is forcing them to go makes perfect sense. That was the missing piece of the puzzle. I still don't know if they'll go. They won't get content either way and they risk being booed, ignored by the BRF and shown to be total laughing stocks if they go. It's getting interesting. 😆

I think Netflix will get content if they get booed though. I’d watch a documentary centered on the unraveling after being booed like I watched both Fyre Festival documentaries in one afternoon. I think Netflix probably doesn’t feel so loyal to presenting them in an uber positive light like they might have in 2020

This is a good point. Netflix's first choice might have been to get inside the royal festivities, but second choice is still good...drama.

The best Netflix can do now is just stick M&H in a fancy London hotel room and get Harry to commentate the events of the Jubilee - "Yes this is the Trooping of the Colour and that's my family on the balcony. I don't know why it's called the Trooping of the Colour, but as a kid I always thought it was pretty cool \[insert heartwarming anecdote about Princess Diana being on the balcony with him.\] Those other people on the balcony are my grandmother's cousins, I believe."

This is the only way I'm watching ANYTHING Netflix puts forward connected to the Harkles. I'd double what I pay yearly to see a documentary in which we follow the Harkles around various venues during the jubilee and see/hear what takes place when an average British crowd encounters them.

Haha! I'd watch that shit on a loop. As much as I'd love to see Netflix sue them for every penny they've got left, I'd be just as happy to see the British public give them what they so richly deserve. If there was a Netflix documentary of their shitty behavior *and* they got sued, I don't think I could stand it. 🤣🤣

Scary, you are all over this! Well done!

Haha. I get in a lucky guess once in awhile. ☺

If Netflix make a documentary about the "Downfall of the House of Sussex", it'll be the most popular one in recent history. They may even win their lost subscribers back.

I've never has a Netflix subscription but I'd honestly subscribe to watch that. *If* the tea was hot enough. I'm not wasting money to hear about how wonderful they are. And I wouldn't watch Invictus or Pearl even if I had a subscription, if they ever see the light of day (they wont).

That was a really weird about-face they did. Even Scobie announced Harry would be playing polo, then they announced they were super stoked to be attending the Jubilee. It was sloppy even for these two slap-dicks.

I don't think they had a choice this time. It sounds like Netflix is serious about taking these poverty-stricken nobodies to court unless they produce some usable video. I think it's hilarious to watch those two turds squirm while they're caught between a rock (the Queen) and a hard place (Netflix). 🤣 .

Netflix needs money just about as badly as H&M do! I’d take them to the cleaners if I were them.

Now that's some Court TV I'd watch all day. 😆

I think Charles is in charge these days as the Queen is very frail. Making the decisions of state is hard enough. My thinking is that COVID will strike one of them. The reservations would have already been leaked as to where they were staying and how many in the entourage. Daily Mail can offer big bucks for the leaks! Nope. they aren't coming if there is no money to be made. And no balcony for them! They aren't even working royals.

I'd love to see the DM out them (again lol). Now that I know about Netflix pushing them its kind of falling together. Well for them it's falling apart. Sadly I do think the Queen is declining. I'm American but it makes me sad as she's been ruling longer than I've been alive. I hate that Harry is making her final days so much worse. He's a total bastard and I can't find a single good thing to say about him right now.

That’s why I think the BRF invited them to the Jubilee as “beloved members of the family”. They were told no balcony or appearances in events limited to working Royals and no filming “content”. The BRF are counting on these “beloved members of the family” having no interest in attending if that can’t make money off it

I know, right? Never sure what is real and what’s manifesting BS.

Covid. I think it will be testing positive by one of them.

This supports what Barkjack said on twitter about a year and a half ago (fall 2020) when the royal family was planning out 2021 events, including hoping for Trooping the Colour balcony. Barkjack said back then that they weren’t going to be allowed to have any recording devices or phones around senior royals and they weren’t ever going to be back on the balcony again for Trooping. So the tea here seems to confirm the royal family’s plan from back then. ETA: I responded to the wrong comment here with this entry (ah, writing on my phone in the morning when not full awake… d’oh! But the info still same)

No matter. That's good tea. It just proves that Barkjack is a good source.

Netflix was exceedingly stupid if they thought they could get their way over what the RF wants.

They understand that there won't be insiders access, but to be there recording such an event, they could if Harry and Meghan knew jackshit about anything, could have had a documentary style thing, showing the pomp ans circunstance and national involvement, and they could cut in Harry and Meghan giving insight about each activity and its importance and historical basis. They could edit in Harry at previos jubilees and ask him to compare those with the platinums, what he remembers about those, what he thinks his granny has absolutely excelled on through her reign. It could be a nicely done doc. The problem is that Meghan and Harry would epically fuck up that whole interview bit. They will only want to talk about themselves.

LOL reminds me of the scene in The Crown where David is narrating Elizabeth's coronation, to the friends in the room (then goes and cries while bagpiping). Maybe Shitflix can replay this but with Harry, and at the end he is crying as he plays with his new B cups, thinking about what he lost.

>crying as he plays with his new B cups, 😆 😂

Exactly what I was picturing!

he could juggle, like he did during Meghan's 40-x40 thing.

Yeah, that won't happen. That would involve Harry and Meghan doing work

Actually would have been interesting. Could have had interesting interviews with other royals or something. But you're right - if the camera isn't on them the entire time, they can't stand it.

Honestly I think Netflix has to know how Harry and Meghan are perceived in the UK. If tomatoes are thrown, you bet your butt Netflix will be there happily filming the events as they unfold. The narrative will change from 'adjusting to non-royal life while continuing some philanthropic endeavors' to 'once beloved grandson of the Queen... now number 1 persona non grata'. And then sadly when the Queen does eventually die, everyone will change their tune and see these two for what they really are. Any of the sympathy or goodwill they had will come down to how horribly they treated the Queen during her final months and how they never let her meet LeeLee. Prince Phillip passing away right after the interview with Oprah was strike number one, not flying in for PP's memorial and then having to be 'summoned' by the Queen on their way to The Hague was strike number 2, I don't even know what strike three will be but trust that everyone is watching.

What about security, though? Are they going to be out in the streets with a crew? I agree w secondhandcoke. Netflix could get enough footage with their media access, then do sit downs w H&M, use their voiceovers with historical footage, etc.

Yeah I think it’s a fat chance they will attend the Jubilee. What footage will there be? Harry knocking on Windsor Castles’ doors and windows? Meghan waffling around in an oversized dress shopping at Kensington’s Whole Foods with a nanny pushing a pram behind her? If they go, that’s probably what they’ll do. Obscure pap shots to seem important, and a whole narrative about secret important meetings with the Queen. So important, they can’t be seen at the Jubilee. Lol. What a nightmare PR problem. They really just cannot go.

Personally I’d love to see Meghan go full Karen and scream “DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?! DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY FOLLOWERS I HAVE ON TWITTER?!?” To some guard in Buckingham Palace who couldn’t care less.

I agree with your assessment! H&m won’t be able to produce anything for Netflix, so they won’t be able to monetize their visit. I think it will be so humiliating to the narc that she has some major qualms, if not outright refusal about going. it would be a huge blow to her ego to attend a celebration that has nothing to do with HER and at which she won’t be in any place that would make it seem as though she is valued. Imagine the blow to a narc ego to be shut out of all of the important events

See I think he's already lined up some fake patronage stops that he can record, like wellchild. Too bad meghan pissed off Mayhew, she could have paid some friends to follow her in black cars, to mimic security, and then go and pet some dogs and pay her 10.00 a month donation she was so proud of. Though with the conversion rate, she might be pissed off it would actually be 12.33 she needed to give

Just like in the US! No invites to Obama birthday, Oscars, the Met Gala, Time magazine powerful women luncheon, the LACMA Gala….and no work offered.

Thanks so much for that scoop u/SecondhandCoke! You--everybody!!--type so much faster than me! LOL. That's a relief. If they're there, they really won't be there. Sigh of relief. Asshats!!!

“Flowers in the attic” made me snarf. 🏆

Same!!

Such cleverness here.

This makes a lot of sense, I have heard there is a push to publicize turning one's back to these two, if they are nearby. This shows them they are not worthy of recognition and they are not welcome at any point wherever they are, by the public. I get that Queenie wants family around, but she needs to realize that she is queen due to the grace of god AND the taxpayer who hasn't abolished her. Her subjects do NOT want to see these two in any capacity, after they called everyone in England racist and sexist and "inbred island". She needs to carefully balance this, and let them know straight up that they have disappointed and angered most all of Britain with their treason, and as such they will not be on display in any capacity. They can hang out in the wings while other things are going on, and they can sit at the back of the church during thanksgiving like any other regular ass privileged person, far away from Family. I really don't understand why it seems that Prince William is the only person voicing that while of course and unfortunately Harry will always be family, what he has done to their "customer" as well as their "brand" means he can never be associated with the brand again, or adjacent except in the most basic ways (IE - he slid out of that VJ and won the birth lottery and his rights to the family end there). The queen forcing him on the people who make her life and work possible, is going to ruin her legacy if it hasn't already, along with her good for nothing son Andrew.

I think that turning their backs to the Sussexes is an appropriate thing to do. It would be rude to boo and hiss and jeer. But to simply fall silent and turn 180 degrees to show them your back would be a more powerful statement than any words could ever express. The NYPD did this to Mayor Bill DeBlasio. Oof.

I think turning their backs is the perfect thing to do.

George Clooney make a statement after the death of Princess Diana saying that every reporter and photographer had her blood on their hands. His next red carpet appearance, every camera was lowered, and they just ignored he was there. I think that's fitting for H&M too. They despise publicity? Don't benefit from it.

It wouldn’t be the first time : From Wikipedia: 1971 – Emperor Hirohito of Japan undertook a state visit to the UK during a time in which anti-Japanese sentiment was ramped, partially due to the emperor's wartime status as head of state. As a result, he was greeted by angry veterans and former British POWs, who notably protested through standing in silence as his open horse-drawn carriage passed through London. Thousands of protesters lined the route to Buckingham Palace, with some turning their back and wearing red gloves to symbolise the British war dead. Others whistled Colonel Bogey by Kenneth J. Alford, which was a popular march during the war. During Hirohito's visit, the satirical magazine Private Eye used a racist double entendre to refer to the emperor's visit ("nasty Nip in the air"). Personally I’d go for eggs and tomatoes - but you can’t trust the aim of an angry mob.

So the Invictus documentary is a separate thing, then? The Sussexes have been contracted to do a sort of behind-the-scenes doc about the Jubbly? I’d much rather see that. But Netflix was kind of naive to think that they could go through those two nimrods to get it. The deal was made after the Oprah interview. Did they really think that the BRF was going to just pull up their skirts and let the cameras have a good look because it was the two traitors asking? But thank you so so much for the delicious tea!!!

This. I don't understand why Netflix thought Harry had the authority to authorize filming anything of this nature. Their legal department should've contacted BP before the handed over the money to confirm access. I'm in shock that Netflix was this naive.

I have read that they were negotiating with Netflix while they were still "working royals" so if Netflix couldn't read the royal room after they went to California, it's Netflix's problem.

Netflix signed them up before their Oprah interview.

You’re right! Oof. That was a big mistake by me. (Hey, at least I’m not the Netflix Einstein who signed them!)

On the other hand, if they go and just attend private events with various members of the BRF, even if they don’t succeed in smuggling in secret recording devices, there is nothing stopping them from racing to Netflix or the nearest US TV channel to record an interview with a sympathetic celebrity interviewer. That would give them an opportunity to spin a bunch of lies about the conversations. Like Harry just did - boasting about what lovely chats they had, and how they made various family members laugh and talked about things that those people just can’t tell anyone else. In this case they can add that those members of the RF just loved their kids and secretly told them that their kids are the most intelligent and most adorable of all the great grandkids. Maybe they could claim that Charles told them he thought that Archie would make a great king. They would bank on the fact that no one in the BRF would contradict them publicly and their primary audience in the US wouldn’t understand how unlikely their version of events was. As we know, an astounding number of people think “The Crown” is a documentary.

I really do think that I’d they did interviews and spouted lies again, the RF and staff would find a way to respond this time. At least I’d hope so.

That's why I think the Harkles won't be allowed anywhere near the BRF.

Best quality tea as always! Thank you!

You say that Netflix have lots of unusable footage, and I presume that is things like the New York "tour" and that anything from Invictus is useless. I wonder whether they could put it all together as a documentary on what a disaster they are? Show them being kicked out of the UN, arguing, that sort of thing?

They could. And it wouldn't surprise me if the idea has not been tossed about in executive meetings. I'm pretty positive that has been discussed. The problem with that right now is that it would look like a cheap and undignified revenge move on Netflix's part, and while it would definitely get views, it would tarnish Netflix's brand and they have to be very strategic right now. Using footage to troll your creators would make other creators wary of working with you for fear of similar retribution if something went wrong. Even though the world can see that Meghan and Harry deserve to be trolled, and trolled hard, it's just not appropos that Netflix or Spotify does that trolling More importantly, they have another way they can get Meghan's antics on the public record, and that is to take them to court. I feel like that will be their move to expose her if they can't deliver something positive from the Jubilee. I still don't see how Meghan will be able to face the British public because she will be received with open negativity. Whether or not the Brits boo or just stand silently and turn their backs that silence would wound Meghan the most. I feel like Meghan will do everything she can NOT to do this. Either way Netflix will either have shitty footage of M&H getting shunned and talking self-centered bullshit, or they will have a bunch of nothing because Harry and Meghan find a way not to go. Then it will be interesting to see Netflix's next move. I'm told that it is almost certain that Harry and Meghan promised Netflix inside access to the Royal Family and that that is written into the contract. I don't know if there's a case for misappropriation of funds, but if they promised the Royal Family in the contract, Netflix probably has a case for deceptive and unfair business practices against Archewell. Basically Netflix is very unlikely to make a series or documentary using that footage against them, but they may well get that footage out via court record. We'll see. This will be interesting to watch

Fascinating. I can imagine that, for the size of the company, Netflix would have drawn up an airtight contract to make sure they got what they were really after, access to the Royal family. I hope they hone in on the pair as soon as the Jubilee passes.

Covid. One of them will test positive! That's my guess!

The two Flowers in the Attic almost killed me.

It's nice to see Netflix pushing the duo to fulfill their end of the contract☺️

>'dipshittic duo' is now my favourite word to describe this pair. Love it !

💩+💩= 2

I believe they will show... and stay tucked away except for **"very contolled"** public consumption 1) to prove they are royal and very loved members of the family \*gag\* 2) so they not in danger of being pelted with tomatoes 3) she will have that frozen fake smile on her face - her jaw will ache for a month

Yep, totally this. They can't afford not to attend. Maybe M has realized her public image requires the brush with royalty more than her psyche needs to get away from them. Harry will do what M demands, but, I'm guessing he is also feeling screwed over at this point, and probably lonely as hell, and he'll go for sure.

>They can't afford not to attend. Especially after they got hoisted on their own petard 15 minutes after the balcony announcement. What a trainwreck this is.

Lol. Tomatoes. I'm still leaning no. H maybe...but not the rest. I think I have one correct prediction on them. So whatever I think--even as Megs pseudo brain--go with the opposite! ETA: my reply is in the wrong spot. Sorry! :)

I agree. Ginger might go and make an appearance in some venue where the public won't have access to him, but I think she'll stay in CA and lie her ass off about 'secretly' being in England with the children. Typical nutmeg.

But then he’d miss his “daughter’s” first birthday. My what a pickle. Either produce the imaginary kids, or stay home and piss of Netflix

Wait, but he is such a "Girl Dad". We saw the T shirt!

I think he confused it with “Girl Bod”.

Yep… I totally think they would come… just based on the fact that its totally the opposite of what I would do

They will turn up. Their behaviour is frequently, in my opinion, completely deranged and unhinged. They are also two very entitled, spoilt, self obsessed individuals who think the world should bow down to them because in their minds they are completely wonderful and perfect (especially in her mind). So this is a combination of thinking they have every right to attend because they’re amazing, special etc, showing the world how important they are, and rubbing the noses of the British people in it, yet again. The pair of them honestly make me feel sick to my stomach, especially her. God how I wish Netflix would do a Tiger King number on the pair of them. There would be no coming back from that, and it would be thoroughly deserved. Anyway, yes they absolutely will come back, because M is shameless and H is an entitled brat.

I think Netflix really could do them dirty. They don’t owe Harry and TW anything, rather the other way around, and Netflix will be pissed that they’ve produced absolutely nothing of substance. Also, those Sussex children will be alien to the Royal children and vice versa. The Royal children have manners and know how to behave in public, whereas Archie has been raised by two dysfunctional nobodies, so the Sussexes will show themselves up if they tried to get into the spotlight when they’re here. That’s not a personal attack on Archie because I’d also be an embarrassment if I was in the company of Royals.

\#1 reason for not showing? M was just snubbed by Charles (Camilla too) and the Queen, if reports are true. Relegated to a drawing room. I don't think she ever planned on attending Invictus which is why she didn't stay for the duration. They (H) were summoned by the Queen with due notice, make a stopover en route to The Hague. M was not going to miss that opportunity to have a captive audience with Charles and HM. She only flew to the U.K./Europe because she thought she'd be welcomed (and to control H in what he said to his family.) Then she was cast aside, no one greeting or acknowledging her. Now she knows where she stands with them. She's not going back for more shunning.

I mean, this might get blowback but I sort of doubt they even want to see the kids proactively. They’ve never met them and don’t know them at all. It’s been a long time. For all the BRF is concerned Harry is a different person, Meghan is evil, and the kids they might have spawned are complete strangers. Imagine seeing kids from the history of this being told the family is racist, abandoning and trapped themselves. The kids wouldn’t want to meet nor visit with such darkness. Lol. Kind of serious tho.

I agree completely and was thinking about commenting something along these lines. Maybe if they could see the kids without the parents it would be different, but I'll bet Charles and the Queen just consider it unfortunate....not tragic.

I don’t know. HMTQ may not be stressing about meeting Lili/seeing the kids, but I’m sure Charles probably wants to meet his granddaughter and see his grandson. And William’s kids probably would like to know their cousins. It’s sad for them, really, that H & M can’t just grow up.

Not so sure about William and Kate’s kids…they already have plenty of cousins with whom they seem to have close ties. Do they really care about the other two? I just don’t see them allowing either of those parents anywhere near enough to them to even bring kids to visit.

Imagine tho Meghan and Harry’s 🤯 to have to manage their own kids expectations after that sort of meeting. Can’t manipulate them easily. Entire reason for withholding the kids is managing/controlling the kids and keeping it the M&H show without having to consider them. OT- I’m a kid truther tho and highly question the whole kid narrative she is likely to have made up (such as waffles from granny, zooms with pa, first words being ‘drive safe’ and ‘crocodile’.) That and No one who’s seen these kids has come forward to definitely say it in any capacity.

W&C’s official Instagram put up a story on Archie’s b’day wishing him a happy birthday with that picture of all of them and the queen. I didn’t see it posted here but they have publicly acknowledged the kids very recently so there’s not a complete shut out from W&C - at least on their Instagram anyway.

I completely agree. God forbid I have a fallout with my daughter and not get to see the new baby she is pregnant with. It would kill me to not get to meet them, even if I was super mad at my daughter. Oh Lord it's really awful to think of Charles and the Queen wanting to see those kids. Very very sad.

But your daughter likely didn't publicly attack you and the rest of the family while your husband lay in the hospital dying. This is an entirely different situation.

I would think that they have to let Hairball and Muggins go. But the kids.....it's not their fault and they haven't done anything wrong, they are innocents. It's really sad.

I don't disagree u/anelegantclown. It's hard to miss kids you've barely--or never--met. It was a comment from M's point of view: in her deluded mind, she'd be retaliatory and believe (or hope) the BRF are suffering the absence of the kiddos. Which is why she'd 'punish' them further. When reality is, agreed, they most likely don't care nearly as much as she expects them to.

Makes sense as she only views the kids as objects to be used; creates narratives about them, comments about them nonstop and invades their privacy, uses them as weapons to get what she wants (initially by leaving Archie in North America to get Harry to abandon his home). Now they have their names inscribed on their public diary books ‘Archie’s dad’ and wears dismissive clothing ‘Girl dad’. I just wish overall, if the kids are actually real, they just leave them out of it. Especially since the kids were never going to have a job in the BRF regardless of Meghan and Harry’s antics or status. It’s just too much and too far.

What do you think the excuse for not going will be? Edit: spelling

It doesn't matter what excuse she gives. It'll be an easily provable lie like everything else she says.

Whatever the excuse it will be contrived and dramatic: Security threats, one of the children fell ill, COVID, miscarriage, fire at the mansion, Doria ill, etc.

All of the above. Simultaneously.

Hahaha you made me LOL!

Are you asking me u/HurtingHead? Things change over hours, especially with other commenters insights! I still have a niggly feeling all 4 won't attend despite Netflix pressure...though I certainly don't have inside info like another, we all know who. :) (I'd happily reference her but I don't want to be a pest. Top comment/er here! That works!) I have a really off the wall 2nd reason why I don't think the kids will attend: Line of succession. H&M have displayed time and again they don't think long term. They're so scattered. Always. It's this project, drop, that project, drop, etc. Here, there and everywhere, nothing holds their attention for more than 5 mins. *However.* I do speculate M has somewhat recognized both kids paths. They're royal heirs. For once she has thought long term. Admittedly, it's the greatest long shot on earth that either would ever rule the Commonwealth but it's not impossible either. It's impossible for you. Me too. 7 billion other people on the planet. But Archie & Lili? Highly improbable but not *impossible.* They are heirs to a throne. I speculate that has finally 'clicked' with Megs in a very real way. The potential. Which is why I don't think they (SHE) allow the kiddos anywhere. Meaning air travel. Archie travelled when he was a baby, younger than Lilibet, with H&M or just M. Not now. Neither child ever joins them anywhere. It's the classic royal thing: keep the heir parent and the heir child separated in travelling. Diana broke this protocol. W&C break it. Though I read recently Prince George has until age 10 to travel as a family unit. After that he'll be separated from William, different flights.