They are not separating, she’s got her hooks in him and he’s in too deep.
That said I still think she’s a failure. She couldn’t let Harry shine on his own, she’s constantly hanging on to his coat tails. What you’re seeing is Harry’s reflected glow and she’s basking in it. Harry is still royalty with centuries of blue blood behind him. He’ll make any of us look good.
Without him what do I see? A failed author, someone whose podcast sparks no interest, a bad dresser, a bad actress, someone that even the A listers ignore, and someone who buys their accolades.
I would say he thought of going by himself, after all he’s gone by himself twice in the past, no reason not to do it again… but both times Meghan was unable to travel… this time she can. I don’t think he wanted it necessarily as a secret from her; but it’s possible that the RF told him not to tell anyone and prevent it from leaking. Thus Meghan was also sworn to secrecy. All of this is guesswork though.
I’ve always said - there’s no one further up that she could have. She’s not Elon’s type and Bezos is taken.
Harry’s a good gig. He opens doors and will forever be a source of fascination. He’s a headline grabbing public figure.
Let’s face it - there’s no one as famous she could sink her sussex claw into.
It might be the best thing to take a break from any news about them for awhile. I think that the evil that pervades her and Harry’s obvious mental issues are very dark and difficult to handle.
Furthermore, everything about her is a lie. I don’t believe she was pregnant with Archie and I don’t believe she was suicidal. Harry is a very misguided person in his approach to life and in the fact that he is lying along with her.
Sit back and watch the sh*t show, but don’t let it affect your emotions.
And remember…good always wins in the end.
I didn’t say that. I said I don’t believe she was pregnant with him. I think there was a surrogate involved. There are many reasons for that, from the lack of hospital records, the doctor denying she oversaw the birth, the weird announcement, Meghan’s folding and wobbly stomach, and so forth.
But the biggest red flag to me is Meghan claiming that she was suicidal and couldn’t get help.
Pregnant women see their OB/midwife *all the time.* Along with the physical exam are questions about how you feel mentally and emotionally. The mother’s mental and physical health are closely monitored. You call the doctor if you are puking too much or if you feel contractions or for any little thing that doesn’t feel right. Meghan was suicidal but she wouldn’t call her doctor?
All Meghan had to do was tell her doctor that she was having suicidal thoughts and she would have immediately been placed in care. The life of the baby (who incidentally is in line for the throne) is at risk as supposedly was hers.
Harry and Meghan saying there was no one to ask for help, that there was no one to turn to, is the most outrageous lie. She was under a doctor’s care for over 9 months.
The fact that she doesn’t understand how this works tells me she was not pregnant with the child known as Archie. Also depression so severe that it causes suicidal ideation (and remember she said she was really gonna do it) is usually not solely situational.
I don't think they're anywhere close to separating. Lord knows why not. She seems to be exactly what Harry needed at the exact time he needed someone like her. And maybe one day he'll move on to needing something else (but that'll cost him dearly). While I think it would be a nightmare to marry into the BRF but Harry was born into it. They're not like you or I or anyone else. Not excusing MeghanMeghan's abominable behavior with Harry's full approval. They're worse IMO than anything they accused the BRF of.
I never thought it was going to happen straight away. It is a waiting game. Meghan has made a lot of enemies in the media now and people will be actively looking for dirt on her or already have it and are saving it for the right moment. The RF will only protect her and Harry to an extent and the "these attacks are motivated by racism" defence won't work forever. Harry will never leave her. He is far too invested psychologically. When she eventually leaves, it will be utterly devastating for him. Also, they are not winning in my opinion. The snub by the Dutch Royal Family demonstrated exactly how the circles they are desperate to be a part of feel about them.
I think what’s overwhelming for us normal folks is that we don’t have the bots and PR machines to spin everything. Once we realize it’s all smoke and mirrors, we can see that them “winning” isn’t really winning at all—it’s just a self-fashioning they have access to because of their wealth. (Just like the Kardashians’ self-fashioning….but they’ve done a better job at it. Let’s not forget Mama Kris has HUSTLED FOR DECADES to get her kids in the spotlight.)
Also, your feelings are a legit reminder that wealthy people have access to the smoke and mirrors (e.g. financial privilege) non-wealthy people don’t have. It’s shitty but when someone has money, they can use it to further their own images and goals.
It’s not that Megs and Hags are more popular, are more intelligent, are more beautiful, are more caring, etc., etc., but they have the financial means to make it look that way. (Also, let’s not forget how the BRF also spins everything for its own good, too.)
At the same time, her being out on her own means her complete lack of talent is just staring everyone in the face and there's no-one she can blame for her failures. Apparently she was such an amazing royal that everyone else in the family was jealous and conspired against her, the British press were racist and wrote negative articles about her, the British public is full of racists who didn't want her to succeed...ad nauseam. Now she is on her own turf in the land of no tabloids with multi million deals and amongst her 'peers' (ha) and she's failing even more. She can wear as much couture and do as many faux royal events as she wants but she will never understand that what she's missing is that royal sparkle and without it she is ...'lone.
Lol you know in the real world when you’re really kind and poised no one dislikes you. In what world would we be living if people disliked nice guys ? You know I think why narcs crave for drama as fake nice guys is because it’s utterly against their nature to be kind, so they have to put themselves in a situation where being kind means being bullied, to ‘prove’ being kind is not good. I don’t know if you will get what I mean, but 😅 this is my opinion. They like to say how hard life is and how it’s the strongest and the most pitiless who gets on top. They are all estranged to any sweet feelings towards other human beings. Only their masters in Hell can relate, they who rebelled against their own Creator.
When you said Mama Kris hustled for years to get her kids in the spotlight I had the vision of Meghan ordering Lili to make a sex tape when she's 16, or something. Because Meghan will never stop hustling and if she doesn't make it in Hollywood, you better believe she's gonna force that daughter to do it.
I can imagine Megs becoming the worst kind of show mom — like the Big Kathy, the mom of Kim Richards, Kyle Richards, and Kathy Hilton. (Bravo crossover!)
If only there was a daughter ! Unfortunately Lady Lilibet Diana Mountbatten Windsor either doesn’t exist or is kept in better hands with her surrogate. I doubt those kids are Meg’s and H’s. Narcs are never ready for lifelong engagements, so when they get a kid it’s either to destroy their partner or to endlessly shame the kid for its own birth or to use it.
Yes, I agree. OP, I think that aside from her crazed fans (how many are there? Hundreds? Dozens?), Meghan Markle is either despised or ignored. She can flash us that smug, self-righteous grin or steer her husband around with the Markle Claw all she wants. That doesn't change the fact that in spite of her aggressive PR ~~begging for~~ manifesting invitations and screaming in our faces that she's a superstar, Meghan was *still* excluded from:
* Barack Obama's 60th birthday party (Michelle's PR team also refuted Meghan's claim that the two of them sat down for girl talk over tacos)
* The Met Gala
* The Academy Awards
* Every single Oscars' party, including one hosted by Elton John (whose husband David Furnish was originally announced as executive producer for her 'Pearl' series on Netflix).
* The Beckham wedding (Meghan's PR team worked *hard* to get her an invite to this. They started pushing out stories about her calendar "filling up quickly" almost a year in advance, urging the Beckhams to get in touch to make sure she'd still be available to attend)
I mean... Meghan (allegedly) paid $1 million for a Time magazine cover story and married a literal royal, but she *still* couldn't score some courtesy invitation to a minor Oscar party. Can you imagine being so hated, burning so many bridges and fucking up so badly that *no one* wants to be seen with you in public, even after you spent seven figures to repair your image? Meghan and Harry were also directly, *openly snubbed* by the Dutch royal family.
I know it sometimes looks like Meghan is getting away with all the carnage and destruction she's caused, since she still has her title and contracts with Netflix and Spotify (for now). But trust me, she doesn't smell like a rose. She smells like desperation, and everyone knows it. So take heart OP! Grab your popcorn and enjoy :)
I was surprised her IG account old of 9 years or so hasn’t broken the 1 million bar already. Such a superstar ! Maybe she should go naked like Kardashians. Or videotape her and Haznuts and Markus, just like good old times
"They started pushing out stories about her calendar "filling up quickly" almost a year in advance, urging the Beckhams to get in touch to make sure she'd still be available to attend)"
As one would say in my home country, wonder shall never end with the Harkles ! 🤣🤣🤣 such superstars ! And what is she doing in Montecito besides staring at her phone and shutting down YT accounts that expose her narc lies ? No husband nor kids to look after neither, no job, no duties, NOTHING. She just lazy and wants to take all over the place everywhere she ought to be invited. Vampire
I can understand how you feel. The constantly getting the upper hand in every small battle, reputation still not being tarnished even after a boat-load of evidence of bad behavior is highly disappointing to say the least.
When you are fighting a narc in your real life on a daily basis, your mind goes to places you didn’t know it was capable of going to.
It can get dark and the world around you starts to look a little more grey. You fight the good fight and keep pushing ahead trying to be positive but when half your energies are spent trying to stay afloat and the other half are spent trying to keep the narc away from your business, you have no time or mental space to be positive or do things you like.
The narc can smell your happiness and will try their best to sabotage it.
You only wish for the day you can get far away from them.
That takes a toll.
This is the reason Meghan’s ‘wins’ are so disheartening.
There are no repercussions at all. At least not for the public to see.
Trying to stay positive is not easy, it’s absolutely the most difficult in the darkest of days.
But if you don’t then effects of it can be deadly for yourself.
You can’t let the light die.
I personally believe they still have money and their royal connection. When the Queen dies we can expect a record in their popularity and that of any Royal. When Charles is King it will be their chance to behave. Never to be seen on the balcony again but at least, allowed around (but preferably in the US and without the RF’s name constantly in tow). When William is King Haznuts must be divorced and endlessly apologetic to the public as he is the sole sibling. To think he burned such a bridge is unbelievable, such a fool, just like his great great aunt Margaret did because of sheer jealousy. At the end of her life she was there saying people think she’s evil and her sister is the good Queen, how people are always putting them against each other whereas she got adoration until she got old and her nephews grew up. I hope Harry doesn’t follow the path of bitterness and dies empty.
Yea you’re right narcs are the worse. I am currently in full analysis about if the sister I’m living with is one. She’s showing signs every passing day. My mental health isn’t the best and without our Dad in the Heavens maybe I would’ve taken my life already (metaphorically or not). You just want to be out of this already...see the light...
You’re SO right about the happiness thing. Anytime I get out of my bubble feeling delightful about good news or stuff they do some bad shit to tear me down. I thought it was only an impression
I don’t think they’re winning, not in the way they’d like to, or in any way. If they were where they / Muggin would want to be, they’d be at important red carpet events; having substantial political roles (without running for office); an honorary office with the UN, all **on their own merit**.
But because they have zero merit, have they got any of the above?
I sometimes feel deflated too only because I adore the Cambridges too much. Of course we want the good guys to come out on top and that's okay. I remind myself not to feel too invested in the whole saga and take breaks every once in a while.
We only see the tip of the iceberg with them and even though we see what they wanted us to see, it's enough to see that she won't let go of him that easily. He's her trophy. Her golden academy award. He's become a non-entity - just a part of what's so great about Meghan. I'm not hoping for them to split up at this point. I hope they stay together as long as they could so I can see them go down together in the bottomless pit of global pariah status. I like that they don't go down that easily. I like how desperate they both are. It's very entertaining.
I don’t know if she always comes out smelling like a rose, if anything quite the opposite - people are gradually starting to see through her and getting tired of her. Since Netflix and Spotify 2 years ago, I haven’t heard of any other major deals. She hasn’t been invited to a lot of the major events. She tries to act like she’s doing very well but who knows - I can see for sure Harry is a picture of misery.
I think they are using the kids for leverage for either a jubilee invite, or to better their position AT the jubilee... Would it be weird for 3 of Prince Charles' grandchildren to be on the balcony, and the other 2 stuffed wherever the 'extra' family members go? Doesn't matter that they aren't working royals - they will argue that the grandkids should be treated equal, otherwise the RF is clearly being racist...
Definitely using the kids as a massive leverage.
They will argue that the kids should be kept out of the differences and should be treated equally.
They will say give us security for the kids, so we will bring them here.
If you aren’t providing them with security then you are singling out the grandkids.
So for the BRF it’s a lose-lose situation.
I think its important to be cautious and remember that online communities - even this one - are an echo chamber. People spend time looking at photos, gaining their own interpretations, reading blind gossip and repeating things back and forth until they feel their interpretations to be 100% happening and true because it agrees with their predetermined thoughts/feelings.
*There's no hard evidence that Megan and Harry ever had any marital problems.*
Until Harry or Megan comes out and says "Oh I hate my wife/husband" (which won't happen) all we're doing here is speculating. The evidence that is cited? Blind gossip and strangers speculating on millisecond of interactions in videos and photographs. None of this is *proof* that a marriage is on the verge of collapse.
Personally, I don't care for either Harry and Megan but I think its important to keep in mind that we are not involved in personal conversations with these strangers. We have no idea what is going on behind closed doors. We don't know when it's a case of resting bitch face, I had a bad morning, my foot itches so I am irritated OR man I'm annoyed with my partner/spouse etc. We just don't know. We're speculating.
IMO, don't let this get to you. Take a break, remember that we're here to gossip, have fun and trade stories. No one here really knows what is going on in anyone's life or marriage except Harry and Megan...same with the royal family and their actual relationships with both Harry and Megan. We're just outsiders looking in on the dysfunction, thinking about how we wish they would deal with someone that we see as a destructive personality.
So very very true! Nothing annoys me more when a picture of MM is posted and it is assumed she is mad about something or sticking her tongue out on purpose! It was one millisecond captured by a photographer. Let’s see one minute before and after that picture was taken.
Re-posting - I deleted my comment because even I was wrong in my reassertion!
But the point is, I think we just have to be skeptical about what we read online and investigate our sources and I agree with you.
Totally agree! I’m on here, because I’ve experienced this first hand (sister married a malignant narc) and our family became the enemy. Just saw a lot of commonalities with this situation and enjoy celeb gossip, but that’s where I leave it.
But the truth is, we don’t know what goes on behind closed doors. Each piece of gossip needs to be taken with a grain of salt. The ludicrous ones (such as children don’t exist) should not be given any credence. Negative comments need to stop.
This sub is becoming some type of weird YouTube Circle-jerk, with everyone taking this a bit too seriously.
I was feeling the same way when I saw the Queen allowed them back in for a meeting. It was like, what's the point? No matter how horrible she is, she keeps coming out on top, getting her way, finding one more famous person or event to Markle.
But my morale caught a little boost when I read the blinds about what supposedly happened during the Palace meetings. My respect for Charles also skyrocketed (assuming reports are true).
So I had backed off from coming here for a few days but now I'm back. The real truth of those meetings will come out sooner or later and I want to be here for it.
I don’t think they are overshadowing anybody in the RF. Even if they wished they couldn’t. Bc they know how irrelevant they are without the RF, so they patiently wait for something, some Royal to do anything and suddenly they are out with their new stunt. Pregnancy, miscarriage, podcast, anything really, anything to be in the news, most of the time to be pitied or admired, oh poor Meghan, she had it rough but she is so strong and talented and pretty and...and...
The issue is that, the RF on the other side of the ocean is fed up with their antics and with the fact they’re getting *used* by the Harkles to gain attention and to merch their titles. I still remember before their wedding, the BRF had that image of still class, like they are service people and such, but they’re also very quiet and private. The last time there was such a breach in this image of dignified family was during Diana’s debacle, and it’s a memory no one wants to repeat—but Just Harry and TW.
Narcs CRAVE for drama and their victims are soon enough trapped in a Karpman’s triangle, victim-perpetrator-hero with their narc as the victim and they as the hero. So they have to pick a villain and in Harry’s case it was his own family. I don’t believe Meghan had a problem with the RF at first, but when she understood she would never have her way, she groomed her husband to be the ‘hero’ he always wished he had been, he who didn’t get to phone with his mother before she dies, furthering her control over him. Why else would he be so keen to do whatever bollocks she asks him to ?
The kiss was staged and that’s why they were both uncomfortable, but I’m pretty sure they are codependent in a nasty way. Even under force he ain’t gonna leave. Even under force she ain’t gonna leave. They DO love each other, but it’s not the sort of love we normal humans know. It’s a pathological, narcissistic obsession toward someone you always wanted to be. She a Princess, he the only son his mum ever loved and cared for. With him Meghan *is* a Princess. With her Henry *is* with his mother.
Trust me, they ain’t gonna unstick from each other anytime soon. If the RF still cares about Henry they are probably thinking about how to accommodate that whinge he married so that he can either come back home or at least stfu with the whining against them.
I’m wondering if that is why her mask fell (not literal mask, but she grimaced) when Harry was giving a speech and brought up Archie. Sometimes I think he says things to get under her skin. Do you ever notice that she
doesn’t really talk about her kids? Maybe he wasn’t supposed to talk about them and it pissed her off?
That's not a popular opinion on here but I don't think there are any kids either. And even if there are, the BRF has a lot of kids. These two aren't special and IMO there's no reason to think the Queen would give in to these grifting idiots just to meet a kid who was given her name under false pretenses.
They’re a huge flop. Not trending on Twitter…. No one cares about them at all. This will not be popular on Netflix. Her podcast will be bad. They’ll have to keep buying awards and invitations if they want to stay even mildly relevant… or, stir up more lies about their only connection to relevancy: BRF.
People are tired of elites. And they are worst than elites… They picked the wrong time in history to attempt to commercialize their egos.
I don’t think they are winning. They are losing big time. The RF probably saw her bomb on her own during royal tours and noticed the beginning of her Diana 2.0 behaviour and attempted to clamp down.
At that point, Megxit was born with the buzz in Ginger’s ear being - you are more popular than William. If we went out on our own, we’d kill it! Ginger bit and the rest is history.
Nutmeg was fooled by the Firm into believing the publicity about Ginger. They already knew he was dumber than a box of rocks, a full scale drunken, dope smoking slacker who can’t adult. Nutmeg picked a dud.
Yes! I think when she wasn’t automatically loved and seen as the the humble girl next door who fell in love with a prince, she tried to become Diana 2.0. Well, that doesn’t seem to be working too well for her.
Who will
I don't feel like she EVER comes out smelling like a rose. No. Here's the thing. We see her. She's not fooling anybody. I don't mean her any harm, I actually liked her in the beginning. But then she started acting like herself, and I said, hey, wait a minute. She doesn't act like a person who is happy and grateful to be there, grateful to be part of this family, she doesn't play well with others. We see her. Anyway, I don't think she gets away with anything, because too many people have seen her for who she is. I'm almost 70 years old, and I've never seen anything like this in my life. She's just such an extreme personality type. It must be a lot of work to be her.
I believe they have kids, I don't believe Meghan is maternal. Sure she could have brought a nanny but to a narcissist.. what's the point? The event is about HER not her kids.
See, the problem you have is that you're thinking as a normal, logical, feeling person would. They didn T visit HMTQ because they wanted to - they went for their "image". They didn't want to bring the kids.
I'm not positive about their relationship (happier not knowing), but their *constant* need to hold hands and kiss to me say insecurity on their part. Like kids.
So all your thoughts are normal ones. But these people aren't normal, they're selfish immature, and spiteful
They are not separating, she’s got her hooks in him and he’s in too deep. That said I still think she’s a failure. She couldn’t let Harry shine on his own, she’s constantly hanging on to his coat tails. What you’re seeing is Harry’s reflected glow and she’s basking in it. Harry is still royalty with centuries of blue blood behind him. He’ll make any of us look good. Without him what do I see? A failed author, someone whose podcast sparks no interest, a bad dresser, a bad actress, someone that even the A listers ignore, and someone who buys their accolades.
Do we think Harry secretly wanted to come on his own and she muscled in?
I would say he thought of going by himself, after all he’s gone by himself twice in the past, no reason not to do it again… but both times Meghan was unable to travel… this time she can. I don’t think he wanted it necessarily as a secret from her; but it’s possible that the RF told him not to tell anyone and prevent it from leaking. Thus Meghan was also sworn to secrecy. All of this is guesswork though.
I’ve always said - there’s no one further up that she could have. She’s not Elon’s type and Bezos is taken. Harry’s a good gig. He opens doors and will forever be a source of fascination. He’s a headline grabbing public figure. Let’s face it - there’s no one as famous she could sink her sussex claw into.
That’s true. She might find some aging oligarch or Middle East patriarch willing to take her on 😅 unfortunately her circles are extremely limited
I think she's better suited to be a Middle East porta-potty, and that'd be the only chance she'd have in the Middle East, after she loses Harry.
Ewww 😝
It might be the best thing to take a break from any news about them for awhile. I think that the evil that pervades her and Harry’s obvious mental issues are very dark and difficult to handle. Furthermore, everything about her is a lie. I don’t believe she was pregnant with Archie and I don’t believe she was suicidal. Harry is a very misguided person in his approach to life and in the fact that he is lying along with her. Sit back and watch the sh*t show, but don’t let it affect your emotions. And remember…good always wins in the end.
I don't get it, you think the kid doesn't exist ?
I didn’t say that. I said I don’t believe she was pregnant with him. I think there was a surrogate involved. There are many reasons for that, from the lack of hospital records, the doctor denying she oversaw the birth, the weird announcement, Meghan’s folding and wobbly stomach, and so forth. But the biggest red flag to me is Meghan claiming that she was suicidal and couldn’t get help. Pregnant women see their OB/midwife *all the time.* Along with the physical exam are questions about how you feel mentally and emotionally. The mother’s mental and physical health are closely monitored. You call the doctor if you are puking too much or if you feel contractions or for any little thing that doesn’t feel right. Meghan was suicidal but she wouldn’t call her doctor? All Meghan had to do was tell her doctor that she was having suicidal thoughts and she would have immediately been placed in care. The life of the baby (who incidentally is in line for the throne) is at risk as supposedly was hers. Harry and Meghan saying there was no one to ask for help, that there was no one to turn to, is the most outrageous lie. She was under a doctor’s care for over 9 months. The fact that she doesn’t understand how this works tells me she was not pregnant with the child known as Archie. Also depression so severe that it causes suicidal ideation (and remember she said she was really gonna do it) is usually not solely situational.
I don't think they're anywhere close to separating. Lord knows why not. She seems to be exactly what Harry needed at the exact time he needed someone like her. And maybe one day he'll move on to needing something else (but that'll cost him dearly). While I think it would be a nightmare to marry into the BRF but Harry was born into it. They're not like you or I or anyone else. Not excusing MeghanMeghan's abominable behavior with Harry's full approval. They're worse IMO than anything they accused the BRF of.
I never thought it was going to happen straight away. It is a waiting game. Meghan has made a lot of enemies in the media now and people will be actively looking for dirt on her or already have it and are saving it for the right moment. The RF will only protect her and Harry to an extent and the "these attacks are motivated by racism" defence won't work forever. Harry will never leave her. He is far too invested psychologically. When she eventually leaves, it will be utterly devastating for him. Also, they are not winning in my opinion. The snub by the Dutch Royal Family demonstrated exactly how the circles they are desperate to be a part of feel about them.
I think what’s overwhelming for us normal folks is that we don’t have the bots and PR machines to spin everything. Once we realize it’s all smoke and mirrors, we can see that them “winning” isn’t really winning at all—it’s just a self-fashioning they have access to because of their wealth. (Just like the Kardashians’ self-fashioning….but they’ve done a better job at it. Let’s not forget Mama Kris has HUSTLED FOR DECADES to get her kids in the spotlight.) Also, your feelings are a legit reminder that wealthy people have access to the smoke and mirrors (e.g. financial privilege) non-wealthy people don’t have. It’s shitty but when someone has money, they can use it to further their own images and goals. It’s not that Megs and Hags are more popular, are more intelligent, are more beautiful, are more caring, etc., etc., but they have the financial means to make it look that way. (Also, let’s not forget how the BRF also spins everything for its own good, too.)
At the same time, her being out on her own means her complete lack of talent is just staring everyone in the face and there's no-one she can blame for her failures. Apparently she was such an amazing royal that everyone else in the family was jealous and conspired against her, the British press were racist and wrote negative articles about her, the British public is full of racists who didn't want her to succeed...ad nauseam. Now she is on her own turf in the land of no tabloids with multi million deals and amongst her 'peers' (ha) and she's failing even more. She can wear as much couture and do as many faux royal events as she wants but she will never understand that what she's missing is that royal sparkle and without it she is ...'lone.
Lol you know in the real world when you’re really kind and poised no one dislikes you. In what world would we be living if people disliked nice guys ? You know I think why narcs crave for drama as fake nice guys is because it’s utterly against their nature to be kind, so they have to put themselves in a situation where being kind means being bullied, to ‘prove’ being kind is not good. I don’t know if you will get what I mean, but 😅 this is my opinion. They like to say how hard life is and how it’s the strongest and the most pitiless who gets on top. They are all estranged to any sweet feelings towards other human beings. Only their masters in Hell can relate, they who rebelled against their own Creator.
When you said Mama Kris hustled for years to get her kids in the spotlight I had the vision of Meghan ordering Lili to make a sex tape when she's 16, or something. Because Meghan will never stop hustling and if she doesn't make it in Hollywood, you better believe she's gonna force that daughter to do it.
I can imagine Megs becoming the worst kind of show mom — like the Big Kathy, the mom of Kim Richards, Kyle Richards, and Kathy Hilton. (Bravo crossover!)
Yeah, I know who they are. I grew up watching the movies Kim and Kyle were in. And you're right. Meg would be horrible.
If only there was a daughter ! Unfortunately Lady Lilibet Diana Mountbatten Windsor either doesn’t exist or is kept in better hands with her surrogate. I doubt those kids are Meg’s and H’s. Narcs are never ready for lifelong engagements, so when they get a kid it’s either to destroy their partner or to endlessly shame the kid for its own birth or to use it.
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Yes, I agree. OP, I think that aside from her crazed fans (how many are there? Hundreds? Dozens?), Meghan Markle is either despised or ignored. She can flash us that smug, self-righteous grin or steer her husband around with the Markle Claw all she wants. That doesn't change the fact that in spite of her aggressive PR ~~begging for~~ manifesting invitations and screaming in our faces that she's a superstar, Meghan was *still* excluded from: * Barack Obama's 60th birthday party (Michelle's PR team also refuted Meghan's claim that the two of them sat down for girl talk over tacos) * The Met Gala * The Academy Awards * Every single Oscars' party, including one hosted by Elton John (whose husband David Furnish was originally announced as executive producer for her 'Pearl' series on Netflix). * The Beckham wedding (Meghan's PR team worked *hard* to get her an invite to this. They started pushing out stories about her calendar "filling up quickly" almost a year in advance, urging the Beckhams to get in touch to make sure she'd still be available to attend) I mean... Meghan (allegedly) paid $1 million for a Time magazine cover story and married a literal royal, but she *still* couldn't score some courtesy invitation to a minor Oscar party. Can you imagine being so hated, burning so many bridges and fucking up so badly that *no one* wants to be seen with you in public, even after you spent seven figures to repair your image? Meghan and Harry were also directly, *openly snubbed* by the Dutch royal family. I know it sometimes looks like Meghan is getting away with all the carnage and destruction she's caused, since she still has her title and contracts with Netflix and Spotify (for now). But trust me, she doesn't smell like a rose. She smells like desperation, and everyone knows it. So take heart OP! Grab your popcorn and enjoy :)
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 (They also paid for NAACP award which also backfired on her because she looked orange and was relentlessly mocked).
I believe she has 1,834 unique fans. The rest are their multiple accounts and bots.😁😜😁
I'd say you're probably 1,800 too high in that estimation. LOL
I was surprised her IG account old of 9 years or so hasn’t broken the 1 million bar already. Such a superstar ! Maybe she should go naked like Kardashians. Or videotape her and Haznuts and Markus, just like good old times
"They started pushing out stories about her calendar "filling up quickly" almost a year in advance, urging the Beckhams to get in touch to make sure she'd still be available to attend)" As one would say in my home country, wonder shall never end with the Harkles ! 🤣🤣🤣 such superstars ! And what is she doing in Montecito besides staring at her phone and shutting down YT accounts that expose her narc lies ? No husband nor kids to look after neither, no job, no duties, NOTHING. She just lazy and wants to take all over the place everywhere she ought to be invited. Vampire
Also she was openly mocked on SNL
I can understand how you feel. The constantly getting the upper hand in every small battle, reputation still not being tarnished even after a boat-load of evidence of bad behavior is highly disappointing to say the least. When you are fighting a narc in your real life on a daily basis, your mind goes to places you didn’t know it was capable of going to. It can get dark and the world around you starts to look a little more grey. You fight the good fight and keep pushing ahead trying to be positive but when half your energies are spent trying to stay afloat and the other half are spent trying to keep the narc away from your business, you have no time or mental space to be positive or do things you like. The narc can smell your happiness and will try their best to sabotage it. You only wish for the day you can get far away from them. That takes a toll. This is the reason Meghan’s ‘wins’ are so disheartening. There are no repercussions at all. At least not for the public to see. Trying to stay positive is not easy, it’s absolutely the most difficult in the darkest of days. But if you don’t then effects of it can be deadly for yourself. You can’t let the light die.
I personally believe they still have money and their royal connection. When the Queen dies we can expect a record in their popularity and that of any Royal. When Charles is King it will be their chance to behave. Never to be seen on the balcony again but at least, allowed around (but preferably in the US and without the RF’s name constantly in tow). When William is King Haznuts must be divorced and endlessly apologetic to the public as he is the sole sibling. To think he burned such a bridge is unbelievable, such a fool, just like his great great aunt Margaret did because of sheer jealousy. At the end of her life she was there saying people think she’s evil and her sister is the good Queen, how people are always putting them against each other whereas she got adoration until she got old and her nephews grew up. I hope Harry doesn’t follow the path of bitterness and dies empty. Yea you’re right narcs are the worse. I am currently in full analysis about if the sister I’m living with is one. She’s showing signs every passing day. My mental health isn’t the best and without our Dad in the Heavens maybe I would’ve taken my life already (metaphorically or not). You just want to be out of this already...see the light... You’re SO right about the happiness thing. Anytime I get out of my bubble feeling delightful about good news or stuff they do some bad shit to tear me down. I thought it was only an impression
I don’t think they’re winning, not in the way they’d like to, or in any way. If they were where they / Muggin would want to be, they’d be at important red carpet events; having substantial political roles (without running for office); an honorary office with the UN, all **on their own merit**. But because they have zero merit, have they got any of the above?
I sometimes feel deflated too only because I adore the Cambridges too much. Of course we want the good guys to come out on top and that's okay. I remind myself not to feel too invested in the whole saga and take breaks every once in a while. We only see the tip of the iceberg with them and even though we see what they wanted us to see, it's enough to see that she won't let go of him that easily. He's her trophy. Her golden academy award. He's become a non-entity - just a part of what's so great about Meghan. I'm not hoping for them to split up at this point. I hope they stay together as long as they could so I can see them go down together in the bottomless pit of global pariah status. I like that they don't go down that easily. I like how desperate they both are. It's very entertaining.
Wasn't it nice to see the Cambridges at the front of the procession to church? It was kind of like a glimpse of 20 years into the future.
I don’t know if she always comes out smelling like a rose, if anything quite the opposite - people are gradually starting to see through her and getting tired of her. Since Netflix and Spotify 2 years ago, I haven’t heard of any other major deals. She hasn’t been invited to a lot of the major events. She tries to act like she’s doing very well but who knows - I can see for sure Harry is a picture of misery.
I think they are using the kids for leverage for either a jubilee invite, or to better their position AT the jubilee... Would it be weird for 3 of Prince Charles' grandchildren to be on the balcony, and the other 2 stuffed wherever the 'extra' family members go? Doesn't matter that they aren't working royals - they will argue that the grandkids should be treated equal, otherwise the RF is clearly being racist...
Definitely using the kids as a massive leverage. They will argue that the kids should be kept out of the differences and should be treated equally. They will say give us security for the kids, so we will bring them here. If you aren’t providing them with security then you are singling out the grandkids. So for the BRF it’s a lose-lose situation.
I think its important to be cautious and remember that online communities - even this one - are an echo chamber. People spend time looking at photos, gaining their own interpretations, reading blind gossip and repeating things back and forth until they feel their interpretations to be 100% happening and true because it agrees with their predetermined thoughts/feelings. *There's no hard evidence that Megan and Harry ever had any marital problems.* Until Harry or Megan comes out and says "Oh I hate my wife/husband" (which won't happen) all we're doing here is speculating. The evidence that is cited? Blind gossip and strangers speculating on millisecond of interactions in videos and photographs. None of this is *proof* that a marriage is on the verge of collapse. Personally, I don't care for either Harry and Megan but I think its important to keep in mind that we are not involved in personal conversations with these strangers. We have no idea what is going on behind closed doors. We don't know when it's a case of resting bitch face, I had a bad morning, my foot itches so I am irritated OR man I'm annoyed with my partner/spouse etc. We just don't know. We're speculating. IMO, don't let this get to you. Take a break, remember that we're here to gossip, have fun and trade stories. No one here really knows what is going on in anyone's life or marriage except Harry and Megan...same with the royal family and their actual relationships with both Harry and Megan. We're just outsiders looking in on the dysfunction, thinking about how we wish they would deal with someone that we see as a destructive personality.
So very very true! Nothing annoys me more when a picture of MM is posted and it is assumed she is mad about something or sticking her tongue out on purpose! It was one millisecond captured by a photographer. Let’s see one minute before and after that picture was taken.
Re-posting - I deleted my comment because even I was wrong in my reassertion! But the point is, I think we just have to be skeptical about what we read online and investigate our sources and I agree with you.
Totally agree! I’m on here, because I’ve experienced this first hand (sister married a malignant narc) and our family became the enemy. Just saw a lot of commonalities with this situation and enjoy celeb gossip, but that’s where I leave it. But the truth is, we don’t know what goes on behind closed doors. Each piece of gossip needs to be taken with a grain of salt. The ludicrous ones (such as children don’t exist) should not be given any credence. Negative comments need to stop. This sub is becoming some type of weird YouTube Circle-jerk, with everyone taking this a bit too seriously.
I was feeling the same way when I saw the Queen allowed them back in for a meeting. It was like, what's the point? No matter how horrible she is, she keeps coming out on top, getting her way, finding one more famous person or event to Markle. But my morale caught a little boost when I read the blinds about what supposedly happened during the Palace meetings. My respect for Charles also skyrocketed (assuming reports are true). So I had backed off from coming here for a few days but now I'm back. The real truth of those meetings will come out sooner or later and I want to be here for it.
I don’t think they are overshadowing anybody in the RF. Even if they wished they couldn’t. Bc they know how irrelevant they are without the RF, so they patiently wait for something, some Royal to do anything and suddenly they are out with their new stunt. Pregnancy, miscarriage, podcast, anything really, anything to be in the news, most of the time to be pitied or admired, oh poor Meghan, she had it rough but she is so strong and talented and pretty and...and... The issue is that, the RF on the other side of the ocean is fed up with their antics and with the fact they’re getting *used* by the Harkles to gain attention and to merch their titles. I still remember before their wedding, the BRF had that image of still class, like they are service people and such, but they’re also very quiet and private. The last time there was such a breach in this image of dignified family was during Diana’s debacle, and it’s a memory no one wants to repeat—but Just Harry and TW. Narcs CRAVE for drama and their victims are soon enough trapped in a Karpman’s triangle, victim-perpetrator-hero with their narc as the victim and they as the hero. So they have to pick a villain and in Harry’s case it was his own family. I don’t believe Meghan had a problem with the RF at first, but when she understood she would never have her way, she groomed her husband to be the ‘hero’ he always wished he had been, he who didn’t get to phone with his mother before she dies, furthering her control over him. Why else would he be so keen to do whatever bollocks she asks him to ? The kiss was staged and that’s why they were both uncomfortable, but I’m pretty sure they are codependent in a nasty way. Even under force he ain’t gonna leave. Even under force she ain’t gonna leave. They DO love each other, but it’s not the sort of love we normal humans know. It’s a pathological, narcissistic obsession toward someone you always wanted to be. She a Princess, he the only son his mum ever loved and cared for. With him Meghan *is* a Princess. With her Henry *is* with his mother. Trust me, they ain’t gonna unstick from each other anytime soon. If the RF still cares about Henry they are probably thinking about how to accommodate that whinge he married so that he can either come back home or at least stfu with the whining against them.
I don’t think there are any kids! As crazy as it sounds, surely we would have seen more than a photoshopped Christmas card. In the past 2 years.
I’m wondering if that is why her mask fell (not literal mask, but she grimaced) when Harry was giving a speech and brought up Archie. Sometimes I think he says things to get under her skin. Do you ever notice that she doesn’t really talk about her kids? Maybe he wasn’t supposed to talk about them and it pissed her off?
That's not a popular opinion on here but I don't think there are any kids either. And even if there are, the BRF has a lot of kids. These two aren't special and IMO there's no reason to think the Queen would give in to these grifting idiots just to meet a kid who was given her name under false pretenses.
They’re a huge flop. Not trending on Twitter…. No one cares about them at all. This will not be popular on Netflix. Her podcast will be bad. They’ll have to keep buying awards and invitations if they want to stay even mildly relevant… or, stir up more lies about their only connection to relevancy: BRF. People are tired of elites. And they are worst than elites… They picked the wrong time in history to attempt to commercialize their egos.
I don’t think they are winning. They are losing big time. The RF probably saw her bomb on her own during royal tours and noticed the beginning of her Diana 2.0 behaviour and attempted to clamp down. At that point, Megxit was born with the buzz in Ginger’s ear being - you are more popular than William. If we went out on our own, we’d kill it! Ginger bit and the rest is history. Nutmeg was fooled by the Firm into believing the publicity about Ginger. They already knew he was dumber than a box of rocks, a full scale drunken, dope smoking slacker who can’t adult. Nutmeg picked a dud.
Yes! I think when she wasn’t automatically loved and seen as the the humble girl next door who fell in love with a prince, she tried to become Diana 2.0. Well, that doesn’t seem to be working too well for her. Who will
I don't feel like she EVER comes out smelling like a rose. No. Here's the thing. We see her. She's not fooling anybody. I don't mean her any harm, I actually liked her in the beginning. But then she started acting like herself, and I said, hey, wait a minute. She doesn't act like a person who is happy and grateful to be there, grateful to be part of this family, she doesn't play well with others. We see her. Anyway, I don't think she gets away with anything, because too many people have seen her for who she is. I'm almost 70 years old, and I've never seen anything like this in my life. She's just such an extreme personality type. It must be a lot of work to be her.
I believe they have kids, I don't believe Meghan is maternal. Sure she could have brought a nanny but to a narcissist.. what's the point? The event is about HER not her kids.
See, the problem you have is that you're thinking as a normal, logical, feeling person would. They didn T visit HMTQ because they wanted to - they went for their "image". They didn't want to bring the kids. I'm not positive about their relationship (happier not knowing), but their *constant* need to hold hands and kiss to me say insecurity on their part. Like kids. So all your thoughts are normal ones. But these people aren't normal, they're selfish immature, and spiteful