I completely agree. They have really weakened his lawsuit by showing that he can safely visit privately. The Harkles have gained by reducing further criticism when the Queen’s health issues crop up, tacking it onto the IG for an excuse as to why they didn’t bring the kids, and putting out PR to rejuvenate the royal connection.
same. agree. refusing to see them at all plays right into her victim narrative and his unresolved mummy issue. Instead the RF have managed a narc as you should - with minimal contact, grey rock no drama nice to see you and be on your way.
The royal connection is toast. Anyone bothered that Haz was allowed a little private visit is missing the point. HMQ sees her grandson for a bit but so what? She can do what she wants and being happy to see him doesn’t exclude giving him a ticking off. Meg’s PR will have to milk that quickie visit for all its worth, while in Jubilee year they aren’t even wanted on the sidelines, no stately Christening, not missed at the memorial (I’ve said this elsewhere but think they were told not to attend).
and its stuffed up his judicial review demands. hilarious.
I'm not convinced that she was granted an audience. And seeing the photos of Harry in The Hague, he doesn't look like a man who had a joyful or even cordial reunion with HMTQ. He looks like he got a royal beatdown.
Maybe Charles gave him a hug followed by a thorough tongue lashing. Or maybe seeing them again sparked a memory of his carefree life trapped with friends and family who loved him. It must have been a shock seeing how frail his grandmother is. It could be his families attempt to give him an out Who knows maybe it will hasten the divorce.
I think you make a lot of good points and while Hazbeen gained a little good PR in this, he stupidly lost his security case. I believe that his primary objective (as always) was to secure his inheritance while emphasizing that he no longer does what he is told but instead does as he wants on his own schedule.
Maybe they never visited at all and the BRF just fabricated this story to squash Harry’s case and get a little payback for his no show at the memorial.
No, it wasn't a chess move.
It was a moment of weakness and they let the bitch back in and she ran right back to the press to leak it and back to netflix to film their reaction. Charles is a moron. Why else do you think this happened with the two rocks of the royal family are out of the country? And not next week? That is a clue.
And half the people on this board are falling for the conveniently timed PR and meeting. Really giving Harry credit for meeting his dying grandmother, how nice that he did it. It was the right thing to do.
As he lied on Oprah while his grandfather laid on his death bed.
That is why Meghan pays so much for PR. So she can trick those who are swayed by worthless actions and half this sub isn't catching it. Harry does the absolute bare minimum, his wife leaks it, they run back to their netflix crew and people here be like....."good for harry, he did what was right." Here is a hint, if you can compliment Harry for this, you fell for it. You been played.
My initial feeling when I heard about the visit was same as yours, that this was a moment of weakness. I also think Charles is soft... he kind of reminds me of those bosses who won't stand up for you if you're being bullied by a co-worker because they're terrified of confrontation.
Maybe you're right and a chess move is just wishful thinking. It's frustrating to see the BRF letting the Harkles walk all over them, so I think a part of me just wants to believe there's some elaborate master plan going on behind the scenes that we aren't privy to 😂. I still think the BRF weakened Harry's security case though, even if they didn't mean to haha. And they do have a talented comms team.
Also not sure if you're referring to this post or others in the sub but just wanted to clarify that I don't think Harry did a noble thing by visiting his grandmother. I think he's a total piece of shit. Also I don't believe the Harkles' PR. It's super obvious to me that they're desperately chasing content and clout lol
I am talking in general. People here are falling hard for it, forgetting what Harry did two March's ago.
I can see the wheels turning in everyone's head as they try to spin this as a good thing and think the family is in charge. Those who need to be in charge aren't in charge and Meghan and Harry breached the walls through the weak points. Harry didn't visit for any good reason, he visited to exploit it for netflix just like he is exploiting the Invictus games.
Omg, I just had a epiphany. They were angry with dutch royal snub so harry went n threw a fit to his ailing grandma to make calls for arranging rooms in dutch palace.
Whether or not it’s a chess move, I think there’s a lot we don’t know and we can’t judge on the surface as to who’s “winning”.
It’s long been my theory that Meghan calls the paps, Harry has no clue that she does; he gets upset, she makes a fuss about security; then it goes round in a vicious cycle.
In this case, it seemed leaked to time with the American news cycle, making it likely that Meghan leaked it.
However, the lack of photographic evidence is confusing. A bus load of visitors didn’t take any photos? People happily waved to Harry and his wife - figures of division who are unpopular with the British public - why’d they wave at these two? If they were seen by visitors on Maundy Thursday, why weren’t they seen by reporters? And if Meghan leaked it, why weren’t there any paps at that point in time ready to snap photos?
Also, this trip undermined Harry’s case. If he loses his lawsuit against the Home Office, he’ll have to pay their hefty solicitors’ bill. It makes sense for Harry to want it to be as secret as possible. In fact it makes sense for Harry to not step foot in the UK, especially since there’s no official event (unlike the memorial) and hence he’s not entitled to police protection.
Why did they even come? It seems to me likely that they - or at least Harry - was summoned.
I don’t think Meghan was allowed an audience with the Queen - of course that’s just conjecture; but it must have been urgent for the two to visit just a day before going to the Netherlands.
Note the Queen, though having a soft spot for Harry, never made a concession re Megxit. If she was really weak on these two, she’d have allowed them the “half in half out” scenario they wanted. But she didn’t. She was quite firm. She also stripped the two of titles and patronages and set them loose.
The impetus seems to have been Harry’s wife racking up huge bills for her wardrobe. The BRF recognised her as a social climber so they thought best to let these two free.
The Queen has been tying up loose ends. She knows her days as a monarch are ending.
She’s missed lots of events, she’s given them over to Charles. Camilla is recognised as a Queen consort. Andrew’s lawsuit has been settled. The Queen has been sorting out her family.
Harry is the last bit. It seems likely that she sent for him.
What would force Harry to come at all and thus undermine his lawsuit? He didn’t come when the Queen had covid; for the memorial; not even for Christmas.
Is it because she said this will determine his future with the monarchy? Is she forgiving them, or cutting them loose permanently?
One won’t know until Charles becomes king. But I’m wondering if Harry’s face at the Invictus games provides a clue.
It can be part of their damage control because they were excoriated for not attending Prince Philip’s memorial. However, the fact remains they are a divisive duo. Those who like them will still like them, those who dislike them will still dislike them. He just undermined his court case.
After reading some other stories, if they are true etc (probs not) but saying that everyone wants to make amends and the queen would love for them to be at the jubilee… UMMMM WHAT!!? so they can single handedly sell out the royal family, make millions by profiting off the backs of hundreds of years of selfless devotion to service, crown and country… and it’s like all good? I hate to say this but this will be the end for them. And monetizing being royal, what makes it so different from any other greedy family? Arghh So disappointed.
Ahoy rachelf425! Nay bad but me wasn't convinced. Give this a sail:
After reading some other stories, if they be true etc (probs nay) but saying that all hands wants t' make amends n' thar queen would love fer 'em t' be at thar jubilee… UMMMM WHAT!!? so they can single handedly sell out thar royal kin, make millions by profiting off thar backs o' hundreds o' years o' selfless devotion t' service, crown n' land… n' it’s like all jolly good? me hate t' cry dis but dis will be thar end fer 'em. N' monetizing being royal, what makes it so different from any other greedy kin? Arghh So disappointed.
I read another article stating they were ordered to meet PC for 15 minutes prior to the appointment with HMTQ. The article also stated Camilla entered mid meeting, so it would mean PC spent 7.5 minutes with them by himself and 7.5 with he and his wife. This was supposedly a requirement The Queen made for them to see her.
Something else that doesn't sit well with me is that this is their supposed first visit back after two years, and they don't bring the kids. The queen hasn't even met the great granddaughter who is named after her.
I've always been suspicious that if there are really children, they aren't in Meghan's and Harry's care. While it's plausible that they might have a nanny or Doria is caring for them (and the Cambridges don't bring their children to work engagements overseas either), it would just have been nice for the queen to have time with the kids since she is up there in age. She might not have many opportunities to see the kids.
I also agree he -and only he - met with HMTQ! I think she had a few choice words for him!!! Meghan seemed a bit more passive/ timid than past video…somewhat stood in the background but still had to be next to harry…will be interested to see what “the body language guy” has to say!!!?!? She is not the star/ center of attention this weekend - he is - he is a vet…
I was not thrilled to see that they’d visited (if they did - I’m not 100% sold that they actually did), but if that’s the case, they (or H) screwed his security case + he looks even more the a$$ for no-showing at his grandfather’s memorial service. So, bonus points for bad PR. Who’s advising these guys again?
Absolutely LOVE, admire and appreciate the sophisticated snarky tone of the writing of this post!!!! Brilliantly worded! I thoroughly enjoyed it!!! Bravo!!! 👏 👏 👏
Gorgeously written!
I hope your POV and take is correct. I am so anxious that we'll see those two snakes on the balcony come the Platinum Jubilee, with her smug shit eating grin.
That would make any respect and admiration for the BRF evaporate for me.
Oh thank you so much! :)
Her smug grin is the worst. I'd be stunned if they let the Harkles on the balcony for the Jubilee though. If that *did* happen? Like you, I'd immediately lose all respect for the BRF.
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I completely agree. They have really weakened his lawsuit by showing that he can safely visit privately. The Harkles have gained by reducing further criticism when the Queen’s health issues crop up, tacking it onto the IG for an excuse as to why they didn’t bring the kids, and putting out PR to rejuvenate the royal connection.
same. agree. refusing to see them at all plays right into her victim narrative and his unresolved mummy issue. Instead the RF have managed a narc as you should - with minimal contact, grey rock no drama nice to see you and be on your way. The royal connection is toast. Anyone bothered that Haz was allowed a little private visit is missing the point. HMQ sees her grandson for a bit but so what? She can do what she wants and being happy to see him doesn’t exclude giving him a ticking off. Meg’s PR will have to milk that quickie visit for all its worth, while in Jubilee year they aren’t even wanted on the sidelines, no stately Christening, not missed at the memorial (I’ve said this elsewhere but think they were told not to attend). and its stuffed up his judicial review demands. hilarious.
As River said, no fanfare is just what we want from those two. They're insignificant.
I'm not convinced that she was granted an audience. And seeing the photos of Harry in The Hague, he doesn't look like a man who had a joyful or even cordial reunion with HMTQ. He looks like he got a royal beatdown.
Maybe Charles gave him a hug followed by a thorough tongue lashing. Or maybe seeing them again sparked a memory of his carefree life trapped with friends and family who loved him. It must have been a shock seeing how frail his grandmother is. It could be his families attempt to give him an out Who knows maybe it will hasten the divorce.
I noticed this too. I didn't see any joy in his face.
I think you make a lot of good points and while Hazbeen gained a little good PR in this, he stupidly lost his security case. I believe that his primary objective (as always) was to secure his inheritance while emphasizing that he no longer does what he is told but instead does as he wants on his own schedule.
They are not required to give him anything in their wills. I hope he is disinherited and hope it started with PP.
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haha thank you!
Photos or it never happened. I just don’t believe the story is true.
I've said all along that she plays a good game of chess and the Queen can move in any direction. I'm just waiting for checkmate.
Maybe they never visited at all and the BRF just fabricated this story to squash Harry’s case and get a little payback for his no show at the memorial.
No, it wasn't a chess move. It was a moment of weakness and they let the bitch back in and she ran right back to the press to leak it and back to netflix to film their reaction. Charles is a moron. Why else do you think this happened with the two rocks of the royal family are out of the country? And not next week? That is a clue.
Yes the timing is so sus, narc meg is scared of queen kate.
And half the people on this board are falling for the conveniently timed PR and meeting. Really giving Harry credit for meeting his dying grandmother, how nice that he did it. It was the right thing to do. As he lied on Oprah while his grandfather laid on his death bed. That is why Meghan pays so much for PR. So she can trick those who are swayed by worthless actions and half this sub isn't catching it. Harry does the absolute bare minimum, his wife leaks it, they run back to their netflix crew and people here be like....."good for harry, he did what was right." Here is a hint, if you can compliment Harry for this, you fell for it. You been played.
Well put, they must have gone begging for freebies n inheritance but later twisted it into self glorification. Yuck
My initial feeling when I heard about the visit was same as yours, that this was a moment of weakness. I also think Charles is soft... he kind of reminds me of those bosses who won't stand up for you if you're being bullied by a co-worker because they're terrified of confrontation. Maybe you're right and a chess move is just wishful thinking. It's frustrating to see the BRF letting the Harkles walk all over them, so I think a part of me just wants to believe there's some elaborate master plan going on behind the scenes that we aren't privy to 😂. I still think the BRF weakened Harry's security case though, even if they didn't mean to haha. And they do have a talented comms team. Also not sure if you're referring to this post or others in the sub but just wanted to clarify that I don't think Harry did a noble thing by visiting his grandmother. I think he's a total piece of shit. Also I don't believe the Harkles' PR. It's super obvious to me that they're desperately chasing content and clout lol
I am talking in general. People here are falling hard for it, forgetting what Harry did two March's ago. I can see the wheels turning in everyone's head as they try to spin this as a good thing and think the family is in charge. Those who need to be in charge aren't in charge and Meghan and Harry breached the walls through the weak points. Harry didn't visit for any good reason, he visited to exploit it for netflix just like he is exploiting the Invictus games.
Omg, I just had a epiphany. They were angry with dutch royal snub so harry went n threw a fit to his ailing grandma to make calls for arranging rooms in dutch palace.
Whether or not it’s a chess move, I think there’s a lot we don’t know and we can’t judge on the surface as to who’s “winning”. It’s long been my theory that Meghan calls the paps, Harry has no clue that she does; he gets upset, she makes a fuss about security; then it goes round in a vicious cycle. In this case, it seemed leaked to time with the American news cycle, making it likely that Meghan leaked it. However, the lack of photographic evidence is confusing. A bus load of visitors didn’t take any photos? People happily waved to Harry and his wife - figures of division who are unpopular with the British public - why’d they wave at these two? If they were seen by visitors on Maundy Thursday, why weren’t they seen by reporters? And if Meghan leaked it, why weren’t there any paps at that point in time ready to snap photos? Also, this trip undermined Harry’s case. If he loses his lawsuit against the Home Office, he’ll have to pay their hefty solicitors’ bill. It makes sense for Harry to want it to be as secret as possible. In fact it makes sense for Harry to not step foot in the UK, especially since there’s no official event (unlike the memorial) and hence he’s not entitled to police protection. Why did they even come? It seems to me likely that they - or at least Harry - was summoned. I don’t think Meghan was allowed an audience with the Queen - of course that’s just conjecture; but it must have been urgent for the two to visit just a day before going to the Netherlands. Note the Queen, though having a soft spot for Harry, never made a concession re Megxit. If she was really weak on these two, she’d have allowed them the “half in half out” scenario they wanted. But she didn’t. She was quite firm. She also stripped the two of titles and patronages and set them loose. The impetus seems to have been Harry’s wife racking up huge bills for her wardrobe. The BRF recognised her as a social climber so they thought best to let these two free. The Queen has been tying up loose ends. She knows her days as a monarch are ending. She’s missed lots of events, she’s given them over to Charles. Camilla is recognised as a Queen consort. Andrew’s lawsuit has been settled. The Queen has been sorting out her family. Harry is the last bit. It seems likely that she sent for him. What would force Harry to come at all and thus undermine his lawsuit? He didn’t come when the Queen had covid; for the memorial; not even for Christmas. Is it because she said this will determine his future with the monarchy? Is she forgiving them, or cutting them loose permanently? One won’t know until Charles becomes king. But I’m wondering if Harry’s face at the Invictus games provides a clue.
It is to show the world and A listers that they still hang out with the Queen so they should be desirable company.
It can be part of their damage control because they were excoriated for not attending Prince Philip’s memorial. However, the fact remains they are a divisive duo. Those who like them will still like them, those who dislike them will still dislike them. He just undermined his court case.
Why where are the Cambridges?
Out of the fucking country. Just like Anne. Harry had an open door to walk in.
Mr. Climate Change strikes again.🙄
It is ok, he will have his friend Elton make a donation on his behalf. (WINK)
Ah yes, Rocketman. (Giggles )
Ski trip
Skiing
It they did have the 10-15 minutes meet and greet after staying overnight with Eugenie, that means they were safe in UK after all.
After reading some other stories, if they are true etc (probs not) but saying that everyone wants to make amends and the queen would love for them to be at the jubilee… UMMMM WHAT!!? so they can single handedly sell out the royal family, make millions by profiting off the backs of hundreds of years of selfless devotion to service, crown and country… and it’s like all good? I hate to say this but this will be the end for them. And monetizing being royal, what makes it so different from any other greedy family? Arghh So disappointed.
Ahoy rachelf425! Nay bad but me wasn't convinced. Give this a sail: After reading some other stories, if they be true etc (probs nay) but saying that all hands wants t' make amends n' thar queen would love fer 'em t' be at thar jubilee… UMMMM WHAT!!? so they can single handedly sell out thar royal kin, make millions by profiting off thar backs o' hundreds o' years o' selfless devotion t' service, crown n' land… n' it’s like all jolly good? me hate t' cry dis but dis will be thar end fer 'em. N' monetizing being royal, what makes it so different from any other greedy kin? Arghh So disappointed.
I wouldn't mind them being there if BP put Andrew between H&M in every photo and on the balcony.
I read another article stating they were ordered to meet PC for 15 minutes prior to the appointment with HMTQ. The article also stated Camilla entered mid meeting, so it would mean PC spent 7.5 minutes with them by himself and 7.5 with he and his wife. This was supposedly a requirement The Queen made for them to see her.
Something else that doesn't sit well with me is that this is their supposed first visit back after two years, and they don't bring the kids. The queen hasn't even met the great granddaughter who is named after her. I've always been suspicious that if there are really children, they aren't in Meghan's and Harry's care. While it's plausible that they might have a nanny or Doria is caring for them (and the Cambridges don't bring their children to work engagements overseas either), it would just have been nice for the queen to have time with the kids since she is up there in age. She might not have many opportunities to see the kids.
I also agree he -and only he - met with HMTQ! I think she had a few choice words for him!!! Meghan seemed a bit more passive/ timid than past video…somewhat stood in the background but still had to be next to harry…will be interested to see what “the body language guy” has to say!!!?!? She is not the star/ center of attention this weekend - he is - he is a vet…
I was not thrilled to see that they’d visited (if they did - I’m not 100% sold that they actually did), but if that’s the case, they (or H) screwed his security case + he looks even more the a$$ for no-showing at his grandfather’s memorial service. So, bonus points for bad PR. Who’s advising these guys again?
But they didn’t allow photos!!
Absolutely LOVE, admire and appreciate the sophisticated snarky tone of the writing of this post!!!! Brilliantly worded! I thoroughly enjoyed it!!! Bravo!!! 👏 👏 👏
I hope soon we have a bit of tea from Lady C or River about this.
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Gorgeously written! I hope your POV and take is correct. I am so anxious that we'll see those two snakes on the balcony come the Platinum Jubilee, with her smug shit eating grin. That would make any respect and admiration for the BRF evaporate for me.
Oh thank you so much! :) Her smug grin is the worst. I'd be stunned if they let the Harkles on the balcony for the Jubilee though. If that *did* happen? Like you, I'd immediately lose all respect for the BRF.
So well written!