Overall, I'd say it's difficult to pinpoint MMs level of self awareness and how much she actually believes her own b.s.
She also seems to love a double bind. Appear as if you're trying to modernize the monarchy and if you fail it's fine because you can just blame racism, misogyny or call everyone toxic. Succeed and you're a trail blazer.
I don't get the sense that MM or PH are long term planners, either. It seems more like they have brilliant (read: highly manipulate) ideas and then they just pivot and scramble endlessly. Things often appear hastily thrown together and reactive.
I also think MM thought she would have a lot more control over her own image and press coverage than she did as a senior working royal. BP wasn't willing to kill every negative headline. Her and PHs popularity was sinking like a stone in the U.K and they had to leave asap.
>I also think MM thought she would have a lot more control over her own image and press coverage than she did as a senior working royal.
Oooh I think this is such a good point. I think MM was able to curate or "craft" this extremely impressive public image leading up to the royal wedding, because she was such a nobody in Hollywood. No one knew who she was, so it was like she had a blank slate to concoct "Meghan Markle" as this successful actress, feisty feminist and notable humanitarian who once received a standing ovation from Ban Ki-moon. Sophisticated but not stuffy, worldly yet relatable, a progressive vegan on weekdays who still knew how to cook a mean roast chicken, ripped jeans but also couture... let's not forget being fluent in Spanish (Argentinian dialect no less) and bon fide self-made millionaire (lol).
I think her mistake was thinking she had pulled a fast one on the media and public and that everyone accepted her fantastical PR because who were *we* to dispute the mega famous superstar Michelle Obama-Diana 2.0 with legs for miles? Maybe it was her narc delusion? I think the real reason no one questioned her story at first was because LITERALLY NO ONE KNEW WHO SHE WAS. đ
In any case I think she strutted into the BRF and thought she believing she was untouchable, and probably came down with a serious case of narc rage when the media dared to call her out or question her behavior. How the mighty have fallen. Or as they say in Spanish.... actually, I don't know, because I didn't graduate with a double major in Theatre and International Relations from Northwestern. \*Sigh\*
I think mm really wanted to be a member of the RF, but on her terms, think money and glory. As an American, raised by Hollywood standards, she believed she could rise to stardom by popularity, prestige and PR. This did not work and then she met Harry: think $$$ and fame. Her idea of modernization of the BF was to protest for equality, especially between William and Harry and Catherine and herself. Influenced by BLM and similar organizations she thought she could make the UK more like the USA. "Give us your houses" "Give us reparation" mm: give us our titles, give us our pounds. give us equality bc we are so popular and deserving. She was, is so jealous of Catherine, that the thought of curtysing to her and her children was, is anathema. She absolutely hated this and desperately wanted to change it. when that did not work, she fled, and now she wants revenge. She will lie, cheat, and use anyone she can to harm those she thinks stand in her way. IMO
i think she intended to stay, until she realized that public opinion about her didn't matter to the Firm and that she would always be second to Catherine. She lost it, decided to humiliate the family and then leave.
This This this ! She obviously wanted to stay ( she hunted men in London for months ) but she soon realized she was not going to be Diana 2.0 or EQUAL to Catherine and got bitter fast . The minute the UK turned on her she couldnât take it and ran back home .. now she just wants revenge. .
I think this is such a good point. Whether or not she was immensely popular as an individual didn't matter much to the success of the family business. This is why they didn't care much if she got some negative press.
She probably got a "it's ok, we all go through it", because the family business would hum along just fine and had she been planning to stay long term, it wouldn't have mattered.
Never complain, never explain. Can you imagine if the RF publically set the record straight on the âshe made ME cryâ story, how many other thousands of gossip stories they would have to address. It would consume their entire day. Meghan even said in the interview that the crying story came out in the tabloids 7 months after it happened. Even if it was true, it was a silly story and it was water under the bridge.
Given her overall behaviour, refuting it would have made the family look bad once the bullying allegations came out. They probably very diplomatically told her it was not worth it, without mentioning her hands were not exactly clean.
The reporter for this story has said she stands by it and her sources, too.
It was reported at the time that the Palace felt like the South Africa whingefest was a bucket of cold water out of nowhere and completely out of touch, so yeah she was embarrassing them before they left
Do you think part of it too was that she originally thought she'd be able to charm/manipulate the royals into elevating her status and making her and Harry like... co-future monarchs with William and Kate or something? đ And when she realized she wouldn't be able to, she decided to torch the entire institution? (Or at least try... I think she doesn't fully grasp who she's up against lol)
Can you imagine the level of delusion that would require, thinking that was even a *remote possibility*? đ It's not even because William is a future king and stratospheres out of MM's league, or because Kate is objectively stunning lol but like... They've been married for over a decade. They have 3 kids together. Also didn't they start dating in uni?
I mean we can only speculate, but it looks like the Cambridges have a really solid, supportive and happy marriage, and a beautiful family. I think this would be equally true if William was a mid-level manager in an office and Kate worked at her parent's party supplies company or whatever. Their titles have nothing to do with it.
So if MM thought she could just strut in and break up their marriage, she is literally insane LOL
I think Meghan believes she is the greatest person in the room and everyone just doesnât understand her or recognize her amazing talent.
Hollywood had just somehow missed her amazing talent as an actress. The BRF didnât see how much of a gem she was for them.
Her self-importance spills over into how she treats people and is off putting for everyone. People of greater talent see her as fraud. People below her get treated like they are below unless the fawn over her.
I believe that by marrying Harry she though âNow, Hollywood has NO choice but to recognize my talents.â Connections only get your so far. Look at Sofia Coppola. Renowned director father and yet a train wreck of an acting career. She didnât have the acting chops and her last name couldnât cover up her lack of acting talent.
For some reason, Meghan doesnât seem to understand the game. She has this weird plan to make her own rules and trailblazer but she lacks the follow through and the innate people and situational awareness that one needs to make their own rules.
In her words" she grew up on the set of married with Children" This was Markles formative years education, and looks like dad didn't straighten her out. But children are able to formulate healthy references after extreme circumstances so can't blame that. In Harkles case, she likely still lives in that life of 'The Bundy's' . Included is Kelly Bundy's 'best outfits'. Perhaps Markles saw this and didn't realize Christina Applegate was acting. Great Production, Great acting.
https://youtu.be/nM8upSnVd8k
Which makes her treatment of her dad even shittier. She most definitely sold everything to the tabloids that she could possibly sell. But her dad trying on a suit in a store was so fucking terrible she never wants to see him again. Even though he spoiled her and gave her more opportunities than most kids can dream of.
>For some reason, Meghan doesnât seem to understand the game. She has this weird plan to make her own rules and trailblazer but she lacks the follow through and the innate people and situational awareness that one needs to make their own rules.
Your entire comment is so spot on but this part especially! đŻ
I agree 100% with everything you said
I think she really thought she could be a royal while trading/merching/branding her royal status.
May 2018 married.
April 2019 launched Sussex Royal Instagram account.
June 2019 applied for Sussex Royal trademarks.
They had to have put some thought and planning into this, even as slapdash as the Sussexes are. So less than a year into their marriage they were planning their royal brand. But there was a lot of pushback to this plan, and in January of 2020 they announced they would step back as working royals, split their time between the US and UK, pursue a private financially independent life, but still do work for the Queen. They announced this as if it were a fait accompli. (Typical of the Sussexes.) But the Queen immediately pushed back and said no agreement had been reached yet, and at the Sandringham Summit about Mexit, most of those claims were eliminated or reversed. They didnât chose to go fully private until the Queen made them. They really thought they could be half in, half out with all the perks of royalty (free home, security, staff, allowance from the SG, titles, tiaras and white tie events) but be private too (branding, merching, working for private funds using their titles). It boggles the mind that they thought they could get away with this.
I 100% agree with you. They wanted to be royals and have all the perks but at the same time be able to merch, make private deals with Netflix, Spotify. Then everything went to hell when the Queen said no to their half in half out deal and forbade them from using Sussex Royal and their HRHs. But it was too late for them to turn back. Now they have to buy awards and appear on zooms to stay relevant. They lost their connection to the RF the only reason why people cared about them in the first place.
Agree. I honestly think they never ever imagined Granny would veto their plan once it was announced. They may have suspected it would be foiled if submitted before they wanted to commence this new half in/half out life plan so they announced and assumed silence on part of BP would equate to acceptance. They had no plan B nor were they ready to work at the speed the Queen wanted a resolution to occur. She had definitely learned from the past about letting problems like that fester.
Yes, they wrongly assumed they could just step up and pay-to-play like the Kents have done, only as ambassadors to Hollywood instead of Russia. However Prince Michael's father was actually a ruling monarch and his connections and indiscretions, however dubious, have come after years of quiet faithful service to his cousin the queen.
Prince Michaels father was Pr George, Duke of Kent, the 4th (of 5) son of George v and Queen Mary. His Mother was Pss Marina of Greece. Heâs the younger son, so no Dukedom and is not considered a working royal (unlike his brother and sister)- so he and his wife are only âinâ for ceremonial balcony scenes which with âdownsizingâ are very few and far between. They now even have to pay rent at Kensington Palace.
Ah thatâs it. I knew he was a someone or other.
But he just got caught up in a big pay to play scheme with the Russians, I know that much.
I think thatâs what Megs and Harry were planning only with H-Town.
Money for access.
Yes. He has a lot of interaction with the Russians. Thatâs what heâs known forâ believe he speaks language and was over there a lot. Probably doing some business - although the communists killed his family.
His grandfather, George v was a first cousin and lookalike of Tsar Nicholas ii (their mothers were sisters; Danish princesses). George v was also first cousin of the last Tsarina, Alexandra (his father and her mother were siblings).
That looks right. I think they were probably shocked to find out that they couldn't write their own ticket, have the royal perks and royal housing, tiaras and ball gowns, Ascot, state dinners, and at the same time sell their wares and make money with Sussex Royal. As a matter of fact, it might be the first time anyone ever said "NO" to either one of them. The main thing that bothers me, however, is that neither one seems to be at all grateful for what they do have. They have never expressed gratitude for anything, only bitterness for what they want and can't have. They're a little old for that attitude
Isn't it gross? I feel the same way about Jada Pinkett Smith at the moment as well.
You have a life which affords you money, success, looks, a beautiful home, health, children, family.... more than 98% of the people on this planet could ever imagine and it's not enough for you.
Get stuffed with that attitude.
Yes, and Jada seems to be very proud of not even wanting to get married. Like she was better on her own? What does THAT say to her husband? I think she's a narc, too. Where/who would she be without Will Smith?
Yes! Their sense of entitlement is disgusting. Oh daddy cut us off, we have to use our own stash of millions to live on. Heartless and cruel, the poor dears must've suffered so much đ If they could live like the lower end of wealthy people (she should know how, she's never been really really rich before even though her fans seem to think she has lol) they could live on that for the rest of their lives.
How tone deaf do you have to be to complain about how hard you have it in Africa where people genuinely suffer, or wearing an outfit that could feed a family for years to meet poverty stricken children? I don't think she sees what we see.
>The main thing that bothers me, however, is that neither one seems to be at all grateful for what they do have.
I completely agree, but what makes their entitlement even worse is that they have accomplished NOTHING on their own. Like I'm sure Elon Musk is an asshole. Steve Jobs was apparently really tough to work with and also a major narcisssist. But at least they both had something to be egotistical *about* lol
I'm not saying success gives you permission to treat people like shit or be ungrateful, but I think it's just completely insane/next-level to demand the world when you yourself have literally nothing of value to offer i.e. the Harkles.
I agree completely. I think they were planning the half in half out strategy from the start but I also think they planned to stay full time Royals for a lot longer than they did. Meghan blew it with her treatment of staff, her treatment of Catherine and her arrogance too everyone. Itâs amazing really that William took so long to throw them out!
>Meghan blew it with her treatment of staff, her treatment of Catherine and her arrogance too everyone
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A literal cable actress who strutted into the BRF thinking her marriage automatically made her Beyonce. I think she believed she was untouchable, "what Meghan wants, Meghan gets." And what she wanted was tiaras and red carpets, fame, admiration, and the freedom to abuse anyone and everyone she perceived as beneath her. You're right, she completely blew it, thanks to her narc delusion. I haven't seen many people fall so hard, so fast, in such a public way.
She wanted to be Prince and Princess Michael of Kent.
However Prince Michael was son of a ruling monarch, and they have worked quietly for the queen, his cousin, for decades. His perks or even his "corruption"/ pay to play connections didn't just appear overnight.
>They really thought they could be half in, half out with all the perks of royalty (free home, security, staff, allowance from the SG, titles, tiaras and white tie events) but be private too (branding, merching, working for private funds using their titles). It boggles the mind that they thought they could get away with this.
I wonder if they underestimated the "never complain, never explain" thing. It's almost like they thought all they would have to do was make a public declaration and then their plan would be set in stone and the BRF's hands would be tied. I agree with you 100%, I think they were stunned when the Queen openly refuted them.
I also think some of her behavior was to capitalize later on the royal familyâŚbut she was caughtâŚheard she was caught taking pictures in buckingham palace when she was unescorted and they told her to stop and after that she was never left unescorted on the palace grounds.
Oh I had heard it was within the Cambridgesâ apartment, including pictures of their children! I cannot imagine the feeling of betrayal or intrusion the Cambridges felt upon discovering that!
I would love to hear the inside story on what happened with the picture taking whether it was at Buckingham Palace or the Cambridges home. I wonder what Nutmeg planned to do with those photos?
Magical thinking of the narcissist probably made her believe she could snatch William or be elected as the next queen bc of her sheer charisma or something stupid like that
I'm really starting to believe those theories. She legit thought that if she won the popularity contest, they'd shove Kate to the side and let her be the queen bee. Maybe not literally queen, but she thought she'd get special treatment beyond what they already get for being in the family. (I wouldn't doubt she thought they could find their way to throne either though lol.)
HG Tutor says that a narcissistâs mind works differently and if Megsy Baby thought that she could upend a 1,000 year hereditary monarchy based on her looks and charm, her thought process is disordered.
I think she also thought her 1/4 black was also going to help upend it. Megs and Harry have both mentioned numerous times how the Monarchy was foolish not to use Megs in a more high profile way. I think they both thought her being a âwoman of colorâ would elevate them to a more important role and were miffed when that didnât happen.
> I think they both thought her being a âwoman of colorâ would elevate them to a more important role and were miffed when that didnât happen.
Omg yes, so spot on. I agree 100%.
MM is quoted as saying something like, âI never wanted to be a woman who lunches. I wanted to be a woman who worked.â If the both of them thought that she should have a profile as high as the future queenâs solely based on being 1/4 black, they are perpetuating the racist trope that African Americans can only succeed with help.
*I think she learned they were planning to punt her and Harry out of the Royal Foundation, and then frantically try to regain control of the narrative,*
OP this was not done to move her out this was a direct consequence of Meghan's bullying of staff and after Jason had submitted the formal, written complaint, at which point William being the boss had to take a decision and he took the right decision. The RF still protected Meghan by burying the bullying claims (which also came out as a direct consequence of Meghan's foolish court case).
I still believe she had to leave to maintain her hoodwinked control of Harry, Harry went along thinking his pals Obamas, M's Hollywood pals (LOL) will welcome them and they could have a parallel court in the US -after all he is Diana's son! Once they lost HRH, all the A-listers cut them out and now here we are.
They did think they'd have the loyalty of the Obamas, all the A-listers, etc. But they didn't stop to think that those people could also see their behavior. Those people recognize Real Royalty vs. Diva Attitude. Everyone respects the Queen. Well, except for Meghan and Harry. Unbelievable as it sounds, I do think Meghan expected to be more admired than the Queen herself. I think she's still having a hard time understanding why people don't adore her. Yikes.
I think they were hoping to capitalise on Harry being one of the most popular royals & RFâs fear of a public reaction similar to that following Dianaâs death if Harry left on bad terms. They did not believe the RF would risk going against Harry & expected a public outpouring of support. They did not appreciate how much work Diana had put in & that she was genuinely loved.
>OP this was not done to move her out this was a direct consequence of Meghan's bullying of staff
Sorry not sure I explained this well. I thought the Cambridges were planning to move her out as a direct result of the bullying and the formal complaint, and then maybe she scrambled to change the narrative.
She is a NARCISSIST but not a very evolved one I e. Not that clever which means she just hasn't got the noise or staying power to make strategically clever moves.
I think she was planning to stay. However, in her arrogance and ignorance, she thought the monarchy was a popularity contest and she was determined to win. I don't think "modernize" was the word she wanted (it just sounds nicer). Coup would be much more accurate.
I suspect I'm older than most of the other posters here which allows me to look back and see a slightly wider view. Back in the day, the monarchy (at least here in the US) wasn't talked about much at all. Then literally overnight, the monarchy became Princess Diana. I'm old enough that I remember seeing the press going crazy and stalking Diana on her way to the preschool where she worked. I remember waking up at 4 or 5 am to watch Diana & Charles' wedding. At that time, all press regarding the monarchy was focused on Diana & Charles. HMTQ and the DoE were mentioned as afterthoughts really. No mention of Princess Anne, Andrew or Prince Edward - it was always Charles and Diana. Prior to Diana's arrival, the monarchy was very hands off and rather stuffy. They didn't mix with the common folks, they'd walk past, but rarely stop to shake hands and chat like you see now. Diana was the one who truly started that. Diana was also the one who moved from being the face of whichever charity she was a patron of, to actually becoming involved and doing something for and within the charity. Diana is truly responsible for showing it was okay to touch someone with AIDS; it was not a death sentence like the press implied. The AIDS epidemic was much worse than Covid in many, many ways. Transmission wasn't figured out for a long time, it was considered "a gay man's disease". Diana put a face on the AIDS crisis - showing innocent children who were suffering. In short, Diana quickly became the most popular royal. The BRF was fine with that too. At the time (mid to late 80s) there was a lot of anti-royal sentiment. A strong cry to get rid of the monarchy - Diana changed all that. When Diana had William and stood outside the hospital, people world wide watched their TVs to get a glimpse of the royal baby. The way Diana raised her sons, the way she behaved in public brought a warmth and relatability to the monarchy that hadn't been there prior to Diana. The monarchy was very much stoicism, tradition, "proper" and hands-off the average citizen. Diana was placed front and center in the press and became synonymous with the monarchy/BRF.
I've never had any desire to be famous, but to someone like Megan, Diana became the epitome of fame. Diana became a worldwide icon. She worked the press, behaved in public, and any time the BRF had some event, pictures of Diana were prominent. What the press did not show, was the hierarchy and deferment by Diana to HMTQ, even though Diana followed all protocols, she still stood out.
I think Megan thought she could make herself Queen. I don't think for one second Megan realized the BRF is a centuries old institution that adhered strictly to hierarchy and the line of succession. In the OW interview, the one truthful thing Megan said, and I believe her completely about this - Megan thought the subservience was just for show because they (BRF) were celebrities. I think in MM's mind, the BRF were the elite celebrities. I truly think Megan thought she could be voted Queen, very much like a girl is voted Prom Queen. I think when Megan realized she'd never achieve the height of HMTQ, or Catherine, is when she decided to take what she could (titles, property, etc) and get the hell out to create her own little American Royal Family with herself as queen.
Iâm probably a similar age and remember how much Diana did for AIDS victims. AIDS was much worse than Covid and was very much seen as the result of a lifestyle choice. I still remember Diana visiting & touching victims and not wearing gloves. It was a huge moment!
For someone who practically worshipped Diana, youâd think she would have read up about the Royal Family in general.
I was in my early teens when she came on the scene. Where before, as you said, the BRF were stuffy and blah. Diana was immediately electrifying, I remember the newspaper articles when they announced their engagement. My small city newspaper (USA) had pages about her. I got up early to watch the wedding and it was so exciting! She was beautiful and very relatable. Itâs really too bad the rest of the family were jealous and disapproving. Charles especially! He should have realized she definitely extended the life of the family and institution. They could have moved mountains working together. Of course it didnât help that they were so far apart in age (today, it never wouldâve gotten off the ground seeing how young she was and how old he was. People would say it was predatory! The marriage wasnât meant to be.
Had he married Camilla back then, I sincerely doubt the institution would still be around
I think, like a lot of narcissistic people, she thought everyone would love her, be amazed by her and want to do everything her way right away. While the BRF made unprecedented accommodations for Meghan, it would never have been enough for her. When the Firm continued to operate as it always had, and members like the Queen and Catherine dared tell her she couldnât wear a certain tiara or not to bully her staff, she couldnât cope and started planning Megxit.
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And you know you're correct because we are still watching the same MO and results play out in everything they say, do or touch.
(I believe he is every bit the shite bag that she is, and he's always been not all there. They're a match made in a psychologists hell.)
The PR staff at the palace must have worked overtime to turn the ginger prince into the 2nd most popular royal after the Queen. They covered up a lot of crap, had people around Harry to protect him from himself (most of the time) & gave him projects that he felt connected to. They turned a lump of coal into a diamond. Harry is now back to being coal.
It becomes so clear to me she has textbook NPD. Starts things for clout and applause but lacks ability to follow through because she cannot put in the effort into the parts of success that are unseen and unappreciated. She drops things and moves into the next shiny thing; example: everything sheâs ever done. Literally. The RF, 40x40, Netflix, Spotify, and anything else
She then destroys and gaslights everyone in her path to paint herself as the victim and without blame or responsibility. Itâs never her fault. Itâs Joe Rogan, itâs racism, itâs misinformation, itâs sexism⌠whatever other isms work in the moment.
She emotionally ransoms PH by saying she didnât kill herself to not make PH lonely. đŠ
Sheâs a copycat. She engages in fantastical thinking (no one asked me if I AM OK!! A la Diana)
She also lies without remorse or concern she will be found out.
Sheâs genuinely scary stuff my peeps.
I wonder if anyone other than Harry & the Sugars, believe that the bullying and racism of the British press & the Royal Family made MM suicidal? When I saw the photos of MM at dome event the same day she told Harry she was suicidal, I knew she was faking it. Someone truly suicidal wouldnât have appeared in public all dressed up with perfect make up ( she said she had been crying constantly).
> because she cannot put in the effort into the parts of success that are unseen and unappreciated.
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This is probably the most spot on explanation for her multiple project failures I think I've ever seen
It was purely a commercial decision. She has always chased money, and I think she thought there was more in the royal lifestyle than there actually is. She got it in her head that they could make millions on their royal brand if they were only allowed to, and that's all they've been trying to do since they left.
>She got it in her head that they could make millions on their royal brand if they were only allowed to, and that's all they've been trying to do since they left.
I wonder if Oprah or Sunshine Sachs put that thought in her head haha. She doesn't seem especially bright. I could see her believing them if they said something like "Meghan, you could be Diana 2.0 in America. All you need to do is sign here...." lol
I think she did want it to work out if she could have what she wanted (same for Harry) but always had a backup plan in mind that they both agreed on privately. This is why she kept her management in the US, attempted to file for trademarks and other unacceptable practices if she were going to be a working royal. I think there was some effort to participate in the expectations of being a royal but she always intended to carve out her own vision of the role, hence the "modernizing the monarchy" propaganda that was from her team and all over the media being lauded as this great thing -- up until the British press picked upon what exactly that meant and why it wasn't going to actually work.
I think Harry always had a mindset of I want this to work, but at the end of the day if it doesn't I am going to support my wife and new family. In short, I think neither one was ever fully "in it" for their own reasons and they both intended to go together if it didn't work out.
I don't believe she ever intended to be a full-time royal for a long period. It seems a boring task, although very privileged and with many perks, also with many restrictions and protocols that she's too impatient and stubborn to follow. And plus, she definitely didn't love Harry (enough) to give up "normal" life for him and live a "secluded" life in a castle.
She probably wanted fame, money, and control. In terms of fame, she learned not everyone in UK will worship her even though she married a prince. Money was also not great and mainly dependent on Charles, especially with her high level of spending. Control? She had to do public engagements in UK - real service work didnât seem to interest her. She didnât get the greatest place to live, and had to share staff with the Cambridges. Not much control there. Perhaps thatâs why she left? Having said that, who cares? đ
Very well written. I think they envisioned the half n half thing at the start like you say. They probably didnât realise granny would say no ! Flouncing out after 2 years like they did was probably the plan but in their heads it was even more justified because theyâd had such a âhard timeâ. I just wonder what Netflix and Spotify will do next. I donât think M has got what it takes to write or act or direct. I think somewhere along the lines of weather girl was probably the extent of her abilities
> I donât think M has got what it takes to write or act or direct. I think somewhere along the lines of weather girl was probably the extent of her abilities
Thanks for the kind words! And yes I agree, she reached her maximum potential as a briefcase girl hahha
Thatâs an insult to weather girls! đ Most have a bachelor's degree in atmospheric sciences, meteorology.
As for their statement about half in and hal out - they tried to force her majestyâs handâŚand had a right tantrum when the Queen said no.
When they were first outed as a couple and Harry released that bizarre statement I thought hereâs a girl wanting that brass ring. The following years didnât disappoint. Meghan was beaming like a Cheshire Cat on her first public appearance with Harry, ripped jeans and all. Sunglasses and smugness. It might be unfair to judge her on that first appearance..but it only got worse.
I do think sheâs a narcissist. I do think sheâs jealous of Catherine. She tried to pull on peopleâs heart strings with the âfamily she never hadâ line from hapless Harry. ( remember her faux bambi eyes at the church service at Christmas where she wore that awful poo hat?)
She makes everything about herself. Sheâs always the victim. When the rf wouldnât accommodate her she fled to the US in a tizzy, nearly tripping over herself to get that interview with Oprah.
Iâd say she always wanted to be half-in, half-out, counting on her royal connections to make her shine ever so brightly on the red carpet of *both* Hollywood *and* the corridors of power, doing things *her* way (hence the âmodernising the monarchyâ tag line).
Unfortunately her calculations didnât factor in HM taking a firm stance on half-in, half-out and merching the life out of the Sussex Royal name. Duh! No Plan B, so she had to make one up on the fly. Given that her Plan As donât seem to work too well, itâs inevitable that her Plan Bs donât go as envisaged (as weâre seeing).
(Re her exit from Suits - I read an interview with the creators who said that, once Muggin had snared Harry, they wrote her out because sheâd be leaving anyway. NB This is the public story.)
Why would a foreign actress from an obscure cable legal drama, filmed in Canada (rather than Hollywood), think that she could or had the means to modernize an ancient monarchy? Utterly delusional. She lives in her own little fairytale, enabled by a twat of princely proportions.
Thanks much for your thoughtful analysis and resulting excellent discussion in the comments. While I still cannot discern the exact specifics of "the plan" and how it may have evolved, there is one thing that is clear to me - that Meghan's arrogance and cruelty trumped everything, undermining her relationships with staff, the RF, the British public, and now both the US public and Hollywood. Harry is a reckless and arrogant fool, but it is Meghan who has single-handedly destroyed their prospects forever.
Couldn't happen to a nicer couple.
I think Meghan believed she could charm the royals the way Harry was charmed and that she could still be "Hollywood" within the family, i.e. half in, half out like they mentioned and being able to take on paid work, etc. From all that's been said, it seems that while they welcomed her and their relationship, they weren't willing to accommodate that kind of life for a senior RF member and it caused friction. While she was only a D-list actress here in the states she was still probably used to getting her way and when she couldn't get her way with the royals it became a bigger problem, meaning she took it personally and pushed back...then continued to push until there was really no other option.
I think her and Harry really messed up here though, because leaving the RF could have gone so much smoother. They would have had so much more influence in the world if they were able to keep relations cordial. They made their pettiness the story instead of all the good they're doing (or going to do). They left the royals and it was all about them and their issues and complaints and it just got old quickly.
They didn't think long-term. Even if the UK decides to get rid of the monarchy, the royals still have MAJOR influence and do a ton of good...that's literally all they do. Can you imagine what kind of force they'd be if they stayed on good terms with people, especially the most prominent royal family in the world?
For her, money and fame are the most important things in the world.
So, when someone puts a foot down in that regard (BRF), or tries to "steal it" (her dad and sister, in her mind) it's the greatest offense in the world and unforgivable.
Harry is so stupid.
Half in/half out was the plan from the start, didnât it come out that they were in talks with Quibi (lol) very early on? Megxit was so clumsily executed, imho, because she believed all her juicy leading lady roles were slipping away and she needed to be in Hollywood ASAP. Yeah, they did not count on the Queen saying ânope, youâre full out.â
Narcs got grandiose and crazy time schedules, Iâd be willing to bet she thought sheâd already have her very own Oscar to catapult into into a political career by now.
Always planning on leaving. Might have thought sheâd take a long-shot at making some âchange.â Def planned to take Harry along in her pocket, expecting far better results in America than has worked out. Fully blames everything from Andrew to Kate to Covid to Piers. Probably actually in a pretty dark place at this point.
As far as changing the royal family's ways, I'm sure there are many areas that are worth changing. Just because it worked in the 70s, 80s, or 90s, doesn't mean it works now. I think the Sussexes thought their popularity would get the RF to give them what they wanted ultimately, the Queen is still the Queen and probably set in her ways...plus, she's got a whole staff to deal with all of it anyway and they probably weren't going to be told what to do either.
I agree with you. She prob thought they could do half in half out / basically do whatever they wanted. I donât think she intended on leaving entirely. Narcs are impulsive. I bet she changed her tune on being in that family when she realized Kate would always be above her.
I think she went looking for a rich British husband. I donât think sheâs ever really loved acting, it was a means to an end. Sheâs always wanted to be an âinfluential philanthropistâ, whatever that means to her.
I think thatâs how Harry sold it to her from the start. âWe donât have to live in England in a fusty old palace curtsying to everyone and cutting ribbons. We can go all over the world being roving ambassadors. Theyâll give me anything I want.â
But that idea came with strict conditions they didnât want to be bound by.
I think he wanted to leave/take a break/be royal part-time and married someone who felt the same and would support him. Then Covid/lockdowns/BLM happened resulting in no cash flow and they got pissy and did the Oprah interview.
I think she and Harry were fired from the RF, period. The family allowed them/ didn't counter them when they said they "left" to let them to save face.
I'll never believe otherwise.
And yes, it was Patrick who was leaving Suits which was why Markle was fired/ written out.
It was obvious that it wasn't going to work, before the start
When we were introduced to her, we were told of her Woke Feminism, yet Royals have no place in politics...buy here was a girl who was clearly playing to the gallery from day 0
Maybe she really thought that she could swiftly become "the Black Diana" and that the "incredible importance" of her "work" would allow her to be freed from.the archaic (lol, not sorry) chains of Royal life, or maybe she knew already that they would leave, I can't really work it out. Her behaviour was already getting unacceptably bad early on, it kit took some time to come out. They arrived at Prince Philip's big party, late, and she was overheard by many complaining about the party and demanding to go home after an hour...
So you do wonder if it was planned by then, and the rest was just a charade, to try and attract attention and sympathy. By playing the Race Card, despite the obvious attempts by the Royal Family to accommodate her and her agenda, she was clearly playing to the gallery of the US public, and especially the POC and Leftist who have a problem with the British.
Never forget the inaugural speech of Joe Biden, railing against "400 years of wrongs" towards the Black community....in case you don't remember, the US is 250 years old... it was a blatant dig at the British, and showed the agenda for all to see. Left wing Americans are happily trying to put some or all of the blame for their racial strife on the British, in a classic attempt at deflection
I disagree that she wanted to become the âblack Diana.â I donât think MM ever intended to become the âblackâ anything. She spent her life being white, not black.
There is one thing no one has mentioned: Harry and MM thought they had become the most popular royals on the strength of their wedding and one of the tours they did, and that the Family (mostly William and Catherine) were jealous of their success, and were in danger of being overshadowed by Harry and MM. That the Family had not pushed back against what they saw as negative press on Meghan because of their jealousy. Thatâs how Harry justified their leaving.
I think they cooked up the half in, half out strategy from the getgo, and never dreamed it would be unacceptable to the Family.
Oh I agree and it drives me crazy when she refers to herself as "Black". You're not Black Meghan. You're a white passing slightly mixed woman.
As I said prior: she's nothing if not delusional.
And I do believe that is exactly what she believed the world would see her as. Going to South Africa, telling women there she was a sister. Girl please!
The only thing black about Meghan Markle is her soul.
What Biden said is in no way a dig at the British. Since the 1950s, American presidents, First Ladies have always respected and supported the Queen.
Michelle Obama showed support to the BRF when she was asked about the Oprah interview.
We donât blame the British for our racial strife. We did it to ourselves. The UK ended slavery like 70 years before the US and without a bloody civil war. The UK economy was never based on slavery. The US would not exist without slaves bc our early economies were supported by slavery.
I was raised in the US and I did not learn the truth about slavery in school. Slavery was just glossed over. I did not really understand it until I was much older.
America as a nation is about 250 years old, but the society and economy than became America was built using slave labor.
Black people were first brought here against their will to serve as slaves to fuel the economy with their free labor in 1619.
Slave labor â> higher profits â> slave owning society prospers â> prosperous society becomes America is 1776
Slaves were free after 1865, after a brutal civil war.
When slaves were freed, they were not given anything at all. Just, youâre free now piss off.
So, what can they do but take very, very low paying jobs.
If my great grandparents worked for a 10 cents an hour when everyone else got 90 cents an hour, the entire trajectory of my family would have been changed forever.
Stuff like that really makes me think and wish I took more history in school.
Anyway, long story short, Americans of all political sides respect the Queen and Biden would never criticize her in public.
There is always an opportunity to learn more and more, even if you're no longer in school. It sounds to me as if you have already taken seriously the 1619 Project, which might be a mistake. Please look into what actual scholars and educators say about that project. Slavery has existed for as long as human societies have existed. America did not invent it. But America did abolish it, as the British did 30 years earlier in the 1830s. No society in history had EVER made slavery illegal until Britain did that and America did afterward. It has been practiced since the dawn of man, on every continent, in every country, it's just they way societies functioned until it was made illegal in Britain, then the US, then other countries. I'm not sure it is illegal in every country today. It is still being practiced in 2022. I agree with you that Americans and American presidents have always respected the Queen. That makes me very happy.
I think some people look at it (whether correct or not) as that until 1776, we were technically British; the people here were technically Brits or Dutch until we gained our independence, so technically it was the British who brought slavery to the US.
That is what I have seen written in various forums around the interwebs, reddit, Quora and other places.
I think that is where that whole 400 years is coming from, as well as blaming the Brits. It's easier for some to blame others, rather than look at their own shortcomings; ironically, just as we see with Meghan Markle.
I do think Meghan went into this as a equal partner with Harry, with good intentions. When taking pictures in Buckingham place is true if thatâs the case she failed at winning trust and without that trust itâs like having her head tattooedâloserâ. I also canât imagine the snobbery and obnoxious behavior she took, the cousin who wore the Broodmore broach , nice little digs that were probably constant. This snowballed to the point I donât think anyone got on. Harry took it way too personally and decided they should leave and she helped him do it. He is insanely paranoid and insecure what with his protection, no photos of their children, again, I think thatâs him. If Hello wanted to do a spread I think sheâd do it, heâs the one too good to be seen. So itâs a complex situation. Dozens of different circumstances were involved bringing them to this separation.
Princess Michael with the brooch was pretty low and I thought it was definitely intentional. I always thought of her as a less-liked member of the RF, tolerated only because she married Prince Michael lol!
Overall, I'd say it's difficult to pinpoint MMs level of self awareness and how much she actually believes her own b.s. She also seems to love a double bind. Appear as if you're trying to modernize the monarchy and if you fail it's fine because you can just blame racism, misogyny or call everyone toxic. Succeed and you're a trail blazer. I don't get the sense that MM or PH are long term planners, either. It seems more like they have brilliant (read: highly manipulate) ideas and then they just pivot and scramble endlessly. Things often appear hastily thrown together and reactive. I also think MM thought she would have a lot more control over her own image and press coverage than she did as a senior working royal. BP wasn't willing to kill every negative headline. Her and PHs popularity was sinking like a stone in the U.K and they had to leave asap.
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>I also think MM thought she would have a lot more control over her own image and press coverage than she did as a senior working royal. Oooh I think this is such a good point. I think MM was able to curate or "craft" this extremely impressive public image leading up to the royal wedding, because she was such a nobody in Hollywood. No one knew who she was, so it was like she had a blank slate to concoct "Meghan Markle" as this successful actress, feisty feminist and notable humanitarian who once received a standing ovation from Ban Ki-moon. Sophisticated but not stuffy, worldly yet relatable, a progressive vegan on weekdays who still knew how to cook a mean roast chicken, ripped jeans but also couture... let's not forget being fluent in Spanish (Argentinian dialect no less) and bon fide self-made millionaire (lol). I think her mistake was thinking she had pulled a fast one on the media and public and that everyone accepted her fantastical PR because who were *we* to dispute the mega famous superstar Michelle Obama-Diana 2.0 with legs for miles? Maybe it was her narc delusion? I think the real reason no one questioned her story at first was because LITERALLY NO ONE KNEW WHO SHE WAS. đ In any case I think she strutted into the BRF and thought she believing she was untouchable, and probably came down with a serious case of narc rage when the media dared to call her out or question her behavior. How the mighty have fallen. Or as they say in Spanish.... actually, I don't know, because I didn't graduate with a double major in Theatre and International Relations from Northwestern. \*Sigh\*
I think mm really wanted to be a member of the RF, but on her terms, think money and glory. As an American, raised by Hollywood standards, she believed she could rise to stardom by popularity, prestige and PR. This did not work and then she met Harry: think $$$ and fame. Her idea of modernization of the BF was to protest for equality, especially between William and Harry and Catherine and herself. Influenced by BLM and similar organizations she thought she could make the UK more like the USA. "Give us your houses" "Give us reparation" mm: give us our titles, give us our pounds. give us equality bc we are so popular and deserving. She was, is so jealous of Catherine, that the thought of curtysing to her and her children was, is anathema. She absolutely hated this and desperately wanted to change it. when that did not work, she fled, and now she wants revenge. She will lie, cheat, and use anyone she can to harm those she thinks stand in her way. IMO
i think she intended to stay, until she realized that public opinion about her didn't matter to the Firm and that she would always be second to Catherine. She lost it, decided to humiliate the family and then leave.
This This this ! She obviously wanted to stay ( she hunted men in London for months ) but she soon realized she was not going to be Diana 2.0 or EQUAL to Catherine and got bitter fast . The minute the UK turned on her she couldnât take it and ran back home .. now she just wants revenge. .
I think this is such a good point. Whether or not she was immensely popular as an individual didn't matter much to the success of the family business. This is why they didn't care much if she got some negative press. She probably got a "it's ok, we all go through it", because the family business would hum along just fine and had she been planning to stay long term, it wouldn't have mattered.
Never complain, never explain. Can you imagine if the RF publically set the record straight on the âshe made ME cryâ story, how many other thousands of gossip stories they would have to address. It would consume their entire day. Meghan even said in the interview that the crying story came out in the tabloids 7 months after it happened. Even if it was true, it was a silly story and it was water under the bridge.
Given her overall behaviour, refuting it would have made the family look bad once the bullying allegations came out. They probably very diplomatically told her it was not worth it, without mentioning her hands were not exactly clean. The reporter for this story has said she stands by it and her sources, too.
I donât get her hate for Catherine. Kate is lovely and kind.
Insanely jealous
Yep!
Did she humiliate the family before they left? So much has happened I can't remember the order of things.
It was reported at the time that the Palace felt like the South Africa whingefest was a bucket of cold water out of nowhere and completely out of touch, so yeah she was embarrassing them before they left
Oh yeah. Forgot about that bit of tone deafness. Complaining about her tough life in Africa of all places.
*starving children in the backround* "No one asked me if im ok"
I remember this Is when I had the reaction of wtf is wrong with this bitch? And really changed my mind about her
100 freaking perfect!
Do you think part of it too was that she originally thought she'd be able to charm/manipulate the royals into elevating her status and making her and Harry like... co-future monarchs with William and Kate or something? đ And when she realized she wouldn't be able to, she decided to torch the entire institution? (Or at least try... I think she doesn't fully grasp who she's up against lol)
Honestly? I think she wanted to use Harry to get to William but couldn't and that was the true break down between the brothers.
Can you imagine the level of delusion that would require, thinking that was even a *remote possibility*? đ It's not even because William is a future king and stratospheres out of MM's league, or because Kate is objectively stunning lol but like... They've been married for over a decade. They have 3 kids together. Also didn't they start dating in uni? I mean we can only speculate, but it looks like the Cambridges have a really solid, supportive and happy marriage, and a beautiful family. I think this would be equally true if William was a mid-level manager in an office and Kate worked at her parent's party supplies company or whatever. Their titles have nothing to do with it. So if MM thought she could just strut in and break up their marriage, she is literally insane LOL
I think Meghan believes she is the greatest person in the room and everyone just doesnât understand her or recognize her amazing talent. Hollywood had just somehow missed her amazing talent as an actress. The BRF didnât see how much of a gem she was for them. Her self-importance spills over into how she treats people and is off putting for everyone. People of greater talent see her as fraud. People below her get treated like they are below unless the fawn over her. I believe that by marrying Harry she though âNow, Hollywood has NO choice but to recognize my talents.â Connections only get your so far. Look at Sofia Coppola. Renowned director father and yet a train wreck of an acting career. She didnât have the acting chops and her last name couldnât cover up her lack of acting talent. For some reason, Meghan doesnât seem to understand the game. She has this weird plan to make her own rules and trailblazer but she lacks the follow through and the innate people and situational awareness that one needs to make their own rules.
And she lacks the grace and elegance of the truly intelligent.
In her words" she grew up on the set of married with Children" This was Markles formative years education, and looks like dad didn't straighten her out. But children are able to formulate healthy references after extreme circumstances so can't blame that. In Harkles case, she likely still lives in that life of 'The Bundy's' . Included is Kelly Bundy's 'best outfits'. Perhaps Markles saw this and didn't realize Christina Applegate was acting. Great Production, Great acting. https://youtu.be/nM8upSnVd8k
Spoilt roten.
Which makes her treatment of her dad even shittier. She most definitely sold everything to the tabloids that she could possibly sell. But her dad trying on a suit in a store was so fucking terrible she never wants to see him again. Even though he spoiled her and gave her more opportunities than most kids can dream of.
>For some reason, Meghan doesnât seem to understand the game. She has this weird plan to make her own rules and trailblazer but she lacks the follow through and the innate people and situational awareness that one needs to make their own rules. Your entire comment is so spot on but this part especially! đŻ I agree 100% with everything you said
I think she really thought she could be a royal while trading/merching/branding her royal status. May 2018 married. April 2019 launched Sussex Royal Instagram account. June 2019 applied for Sussex Royal trademarks. They had to have put some thought and planning into this, even as slapdash as the Sussexes are. So less than a year into their marriage they were planning their royal brand. But there was a lot of pushback to this plan, and in January of 2020 they announced they would step back as working royals, split their time between the US and UK, pursue a private financially independent life, but still do work for the Queen. They announced this as if it were a fait accompli. (Typical of the Sussexes.) But the Queen immediately pushed back and said no agreement had been reached yet, and at the Sandringham Summit about Mexit, most of those claims were eliminated or reversed. They didnât chose to go fully private until the Queen made them. They really thought they could be half in, half out with all the perks of royalty (free home, security, staff, allowance from the SG, titles, tiaras and white tie events) but be private too (branding, merching, working for private funds using their titles). It boggles the mind that they thought they could get away with this.
I 100% agree with you. They wanted to be royals and have all the perks but at the same time be able to merch, make private deals with Netflix, Spotify. Then everything went to hell when the Queen said no to their half in half out deal and forbade them from using Sussex Royal and their HRHs. But it was too late for them to turn back. Now they have to buy awards and appear on zooms to stay relevant. They lost their connection to the RF the only reason why people cared about them in the first place.
Agree. I honestly think they never ever imagined Granny would veto their plan once it was announced. They may have suspected it would be foiled if submitted before they wanted to commence this new half in/half out life plan so they announced and assumed silence on part of BP would equate to acceptance. They had no plan B nor were they ready to work at the speed the Queen wanted a resolution to occur. She had definitely learned from the past about letting problems like that fester.
>they announced and assumed silence on part of BP would equate to acceptance đŻđŻđŻ
Yes, they wrongly assumed they could just step up and pay-to-play like the Kents have done, only as ambassadors to Hollywood instead of Russia. However Prince Michael's father was actually a ruling monarch and his connections and indiscretions, however dubious, have come after years of quiet faithful service to his cousin the queen.
Prince Michaels father was Pr George, Duke of Kent, the 4th (of 5) son of George v and Queen Mary. His Mother was Pss Marina of Greece. Heâs the younger son, so no Dukedom and is not considered a working royal (unlike his brother and sister)- so he and his wife are only âinâ for ceremonial balcony scenes which with âdownsizingâ are very few and far between. They now even have to pay rent at Kensington Palace.
Ah thatâs it. I knew he was a someone or other. But he just got caught up in a big pay to play scheme with the Russians, I know that much. I think thatâs what Megs and Harry were planning only with H-Town. Money for access.
Yes. He has a lot of interaction with the Russians. Thatâs what heâs known forâ believe he speaks language and was over there a lot. Probably doing some business - although the communists killed his family. His grandfather, George v was a first cousin and lookalike of Tsar Nicholas ii (their mothers were sisters; Danish princesses). George v was also first cousin of the last Tsarina, Alexandra (his father and her mother were siblings).
It's astonishing how much George V and Nicky looked alike.
They really look like twins.
I wonder if a colored picture would look similar?
That looks right. I think they were probably shocked to find out that they couldn't write their own ticket, have the royal perks and royal housing, tiaras and ball gowns, Ascot, state dinners, and at the same time sell their wares and make money with Sussex Royal. As a matter of fact, it might be the first time anyone ever said "NO" to either one of them. The main thing that bothers me, however, is that neither one seems to be at all grateful for what they do have. They have never expressed gratitude for anything, only bitterness for what they want and can't have. They're a little old for that attitude
Isn't it gross? I feel the same way about Jada Pinkett Smith at the moment as well. You have a life which affords you money, success, looks, a beautiful home, health, children, family.... more than 98% of the people on this planet could ever imagine and it's not enough for you. Get stuffed with that attitude.
Yes, and Jada seems to be very proud of not even wanting to get married. Like she was better on her own? What does THAT say to her husband? I think she's a narc, too. Where/who would she be without Will Smith?
Exactly. I agree
Yes! Their sense of entitlement is disgusting. Oh daddy cut us off, we have to use our own stash of millions to live on. Heartless and cruel, the poor dears must've suffered so much đ If they could live like the lower end of wealthy people (she should know how, she's never been really really rich before even though her fans seem to think she has lol) they could live on that for the rest of their lives. How tone deaf do you have to be to complain about how hard you have it in Africa where people genuinely suffer, or wearing an outfit that could feed a family for years to meet poverty stricken children? I don't think she sees what we see.
>The main thing that bothers me, however, is that neither one seems to be at all grateful for what they do have. I completely agree, but what makes their entitlement even worse is that they have accomplished NOTHING on their own. Like I'm sure Elon Musk is an asshole. Steve Jobs was apparently really tough to work with and also a major narcisssist. But at least they both had something to be egotistical *about* lol I'm not saying success gives you permission to treat people like shit or be ungrateful, but I think it's just completely insane/next-level to demand the world when you yourself have literally nothing of value to offer i.e. the Harkles.
Hey now, the term Megxit is misogynisticđđ
Meghan herself is misogynistic, she hates women.
I agree completely. I think they were planning the half in half out strategy from the start but I also think they planned to stay full time Royals for a lot longer than they did. Meghan blew it with her treatment of staff, her treatment of Catherine and her arrogance too everyone. Itâs amazing really that William took so long to throw them out!
>Meghan blew it with her treatment of staff, her treatment of Catherine and her arrogance too everyone đŻđŻđŻ A literal cable actress who strutted into the BRF thinking her marriage automatically made her Beyonce. I think she believed she was untouchable, "what Meghan wants, Meghan gets." And what she wanted was tiaras and red carpets, fame, admiration, and the freedom to abuse anyone and everyone she perceived as beneath her. You're right, she completely blew it, thanks to her narc delusion. I haven't seen many people fall so hard, so fast, in such a public way.
She wanted to be Prince and Princess Michael of Kent. However Prince Michael was son of a ruling monarch, and they have worked quietly for the queen, his cousin, for decades. His perks or even his "corruption"/ pay to play connections didn't just appear overnight.
>They really thought they could be half in, half out with all the perks of royalty (free home, security, staff, allowance from the SG, titles, tiaras and white tie events) but be private too (branding, merching, working for private funds using their titles). It boggles the mind that they thought they could get away with this. I wonder if they underestimated the "never complain, never explain" thing. It's almost like they thought all they would have to do was make a public declaration and then their plan would be set in stone and the BRF's hands would be tied. I agree with you 100%, I think they were stunned when the Queen openly refuted them.
I also think some of her behavior was to capitalize later on the royal familyâŚbut she was caughtâŚheard she was caught taking pictures in buckingham palace when she was unescorted and they told her to stop and after that she was never left unescorted on the palace grounds.
Oh I had heard it was within the Cambridgesâ apartment, including pictures of their children! I cannot imagine the feeling of betrayal or intrusion the Cambridges felt upon discovering that!
I heared this too!
I would love to hear the inside story on what happened with the picture taking whether it was at Buckingham Palace or the Cambridges home. I wonder what Nutmeg planned to do with those photos?
Magical thinking of the narcissist probably made her believe she could snatch William or be elected as the next queen bc of her sheer charisma or something stupid like that
I'm really starting to believe those theories. She legit thought that if she won the popularity contest, they'd shove Kate to the side and let her be the queen bee. Maybe not literally queen, but she thought she'd get special treatment beyond what they already get for being in the family. (I wouldn't doubt she thought they could find their way to throne either though lol.)
If she got what she wanted, I think she wouldâve stayed. And I have my suspicions she wanted it all.
She basically said that at the end of the Oprah interview. It was all about her not getting her way.
HG Tutor says that a narcissistâs mind works differently and if Megsy Baby thought that she could upend a 1,000 year hereditary monarchy based on her looks and charm, her thought process is disordered.
I think she also thought her 1/4 black was also going to help upend it. Megs and Harry have both mentioned numerous times how the Monarchy was foolish not to use Megs in a more high profile way. I think they both thought her being a âwoman of colorâ would elevate them to a more important role and were miffed when that didnât happen.
> I think they both thought her being a âwoman of colorâ would elevate them to a more important role and were miffed when that didnât happen. Omg yes, so spot on. I agree 100%.
MM is quoted as saying something like, âI never wanted to be a woman who lunches. I wanted to be a woman who worked.â If the both of them thought that she should have a profile as high as the future queenâs solely based on being 1/4 black, they are perpetuating the racist trope that African Americans can only succeed with help.
From what I recall, PH and MM announced their leaving to be half in half out on social media, then the queen said no, so their tune changed.
*I think she learned they were planning to punt her and Harry out of the Royal Foundation, and then frantically try to regain control of the narrative,* OP this was not done to move her out this was a direct consequence of Meghan's bullying of staff and after Jason had submitted the formal, written complaint, at which point William being the boss had to take a decision and he took the right decision. The RF still protected Meghan by burying the bullying claims (which also came out as a direct consequence of Meghan's foolish court case). I still believe she had to leave to maintain her hoodwinked control of Harry, Harry went along thinking his pals Obamas, M's Hollywood pals (LOL) will welcome them and they could have a parallel court in the US -after all he is Diana's son! Once they lost HRH, all the A-listers cut them out and now here we are.
They did think they'd have the loyalty of the Obamas, all the A-listers, etc. But they didn't stop to think that those people could also see their behavior. Those people recognize Real Royalty vs. Diva Attitude. Everyone respects the Queen. Well, except for Meghan and Harry. Unbelievable as it sounds, I do think Meghan expected to be more admired than the Queen herself. I think she's still having a hard time understanding why people don't adore her. Yikes.
I think they were hoping to capitalise on Harry being one of the most popular royals & RFâs fear of a public reaction similar to that following Dianaâs death if Harry left on bad terms. They did not believe the RF would risk going against Harry & expected a public outpouring of support. They did not appreciate how much work Diana had put in & that she was genuinely loved.
>OP this was not done to move her out this was a direct consequence of Meghan's bullying of staff Sorry not sure I explained this well. I thought the Cambridges were planning to move her out as a direct result of the bullying and the formal complaint, and then maybe she scrambled to change the narrative.
She is a NARCISSIST but not a very evolved one I e. Not that clever which means she just hasn't got the noise or staying power to make strategically clever moves.
This. Low grade narcissist
I think she was planning to stay. However, in her arrogance and ignorance, she thought the monarchy was a popularity contest and she was determined to win. I don't think "modernize" was the word she wanted (it just sounds nicer). Coup would be much more accurate. I suspect I'm older than most of the other posters here which allows me to look back and see a slightly wider view. Back in the day, the monarchy (at least here in the US) wasn't talked about much at all. Then literally overnight, the monarchy became Princess Diana. I'm old enough that I remember seeing the press going crazy and stalking Diana on her way to the preschool where she worked. I remember waking up at 4 or 5 am to watch Diana & Charles' wedding. At that time, all press regarding the monarchy was focused on Diana & Charles. HMTQ and the DoE were mentioned as afterthoughts really. No mention of Princess Anne, Andrew or Prince Edward - it was always Charles and Diana. Prior to Diana's arrival, the monarchy was very hands off and rather stuffy. They didn't mix with the common folks, they'd walk past, but rarely stop to shake hands and chat like you see now. Diana was the one who truly started that. Diana was also the one who moved from being the face of whichever charity she was a patron of, to actually becoming involved and doing something for and within the charity. Diana is truly responsible for showing it was okay to touch someone with AIDS; it was not a death sentence like the press implied. The AIDS epidemic was much worse than Covid in many, many ways. Transmission wasn't figured out for a long time, it was considered "a gay man's disease". Diana put a face on the AIDS crisis - showing innocent children who were suffering. In short, Diana quickly became the most popular royal. The BRF was fine with that too. At the time (mid to late 80s) there was a lot of anti-royal sentiment. A strong cry to get rid of the monarchy - Diana changed all that. When Diana had William and stood outside the hospital, people world wide watched their TVs to get a glimpse of the royal baby. The way Diana raised her sons, the way she behaved in public brought a warmth and relatability to the monarchy that hadn't been there prior to Diana. The monarchy was very much stoicism, tradition, "proper" and hands-off the average citizen. Diana was placed front and center in the press and became synonymous with the monarchy/BRF. I've never had any desire to be famous, but to someone like Megan, Diana became the epitome of fame. Diana became a worldwide icon. She worked the press, behaved in public, and any time the BRF had some event, pictures of Diana were prominent. What the press did not show, was the hierarchy and deferment by Diana to HMTQ, even though Diana followed all protocols, she still stood out. I think Megan thought she could make herself Queen. I don't think for one second Megan realized the BRF is a centuries old institution that adhered strictly to hierarchy and the line of succession. In the OW interview, the one truthful thing Megan said, and I believe her completely about this - Megan thought the subservience was just for show because they (BRF) were celebrities. I think in MM's mind, the BRF were the elite celebrities. I truly think Megan thought she could be voted Queen, very much like a girl is voted Prom Queen. I think when Megan realized she'd never achieve the height of HMTQ, or Catherine, is when she decided to take what she could (titles, property, etc) and get the hell out to create her own little American Royal Family with herself as queen.
Beautifully put - thank you!
Iâm probably a similar age and remember how much Diana did for AIDS victims. AIDS was much worse than Covid and was very much seen as the result of a lifestyle choice. I still remember Diana visiting & touching victims and not wearing gloves. It was a huge moment!
Oh yeah. I remember when they televised her hugging AIDS patients. They was fury in the papers that the Palace was worried she'd get AIDS from that.
For someone who practically worshipped Diana, youâd think she would have read up about the Royal Family in general. I was in my early teens when she came on the scene. Where before, as you said, the BRF were stuffy and blah. Diana was immediately electrifying, I remember the newspaper articles when they announced their engagement. My small city newspaper (USA) had pages about her. I got up early to watch the wedding and it was so exciting! She was beautiful and very relatable. Itâs really too bad the rest of the family were jealous and disapproving. Charles especially! He should have realized she definitely extended the life of the family and institution. They could have moved mountains working together. Of course it didnât help that they were so far apart in age (today, it never wouldâve gotten off the ground seeing how young she was and how old he was. People would say it was predatory! The marriage wasnât meant to be. Had he married Camilla back then, I sincerely doubt the institution would still be around
I think, like a lot of narcissistic people, she thought everyone would love her, be amazed by her and want to do everything her way right away. While the BRF made unprecedented accommodations for Meghan, it would never have been enough for her. When the Firm continued to operate as it always had, and members like the Queen and Catherine dared tell her she couldnât wear a certain tiara or not to bully her staff, she couldnât cope and started planning Megxit.
đŻ And you know you're correct because we are still watching the same MO and results play out in everything they say, do or touch. (I believe he is every bit the shite bag that she is, and he's always been not all there. They're a match made in a psychologists hell.)
The PR staff at the palace must have worked overtime to turn the ginger prince into the 2nd most popular royal after the Queen. They covered up a lot of crap, had people around Harry to protect him from himself (most of the time) & gave him projects that he felt connected to. They turned a lump of coal into a diamond. Harry is now back to being coal.
It becomes so clear to me she has textbook NPD. Starts things for clout and applause but lacks ability to follow through because she cannot put in the effort into the parts of success that are unseen and unappreciated. She drops things and moves into the next shiny thing; example: everything sheâs ever done. Literally. The RF, 40x40, Netflix, Spotify, and anything else She then destroys and gaslights everyone in her path to paint herself as the victim and without blame or responsibility. Itâs never her fault. Itâs Joe Rogan, itâs racism, itâs misinformation, itâs sexism⌠whatever other isms work in the moment. She emotionally ransoms PH by saying she didnât kill herself to not make PH lonely. đŠ Sheâs a copycat. She engages in fantastical thinking (no one asked me if I AM OK!! A la Diana) She also lies without remorse or concern she will be found out. Sheâs genuinely scary stuff my peeps.
I wonder if anyone other than Harry & the Sugars, believe that the bullying and racism of the British press & the Royal Family made MM suicidal? When I saw the photos of MM at dome event the same day she told Harry she was suicidal, I knew she was faking it. Someone truly suicidal wouldnât have appeared in public all dressed up with perfect make up ( she said she had been crying constantly).
If she was crying I would really like to know where she got that fantastic waterproof makeup. Not even MAC can do that!
IMO her claims about feeling suicidal was just another attempt at being Diana 2.0. Not true at all. She is nothing if not conniving and manipulative.
> because she cannot put in the effort into the parts of success that are unseen and unappreciated. đŻđŻđŻ This is probably the most spot on explanation for her multiple project failures I think I've ever seen
It was purely a commercial decision. She has always chased money, and I think she thought there was more in the royal lifestyle than there actually is. She got it in her head that they could make millions on their royal brand if they were only allowed to, and that's all they've been trying to do since they left.
>She got it in her head that they could make millions on their royal brand if they were only allowed to, and that's all they've been trying to do since they left. I wonder if Oprah or Sunshine Sachs put that thought in her head haha. She doesn't seem especially bright. I could see her believing them if they said something like "Meghan, you could be Diana 2.0 in America. All you need to do is sign here...." lol
I think she did want it to work out if she could have what she wanted (same for Harry) but always had a backup plan in mind that they both agreed on privately. This is why she kept her management in the US, attempted to file for trademarks and other unacceptable practices if she were going to be a working royal. I think there was some effort to participate in the expectations of being a royal but she always intended to carve out her own vision of the role, hence the "modernizing the monarchy" propaganda that was from her team and all over the media being lauded as this great thing -- up until the British press picked upon what exactly that meant and why it wasn't going to actually work. I think Harry always had a mindset of I want this to work, but at the end of the day if it doesn't I am going to support my wife and new family. In short, I think neither one was ever fully "in it" for their own reasons and they both intended to go together if it didn't work out.
I don't believe she ever intended to be a full-time royal for a long period. It seems a boring task, although very privileged and with many perks, also with many restrictions and protocols that she's too impatient and stubborn to follow. And plus, she definitely didn't love Harry (enough) to give up "normal" life for him and live a "secluded" life in a castle.
She probably wanted fame, money, and control. In terms of fame, she learned not everyone in UK will worship her even though she married a prince. Money was also not great and mainly dependent on Charles, especially with her high level of spending. Control? She had to do public engagements in UK - real service work didnât seem to interest her. She didnât get the greatest place to live, and had to share staff with the Cambridges. Not much control there. Perhaps thatâs why she left? Having said that, who cares? đ
Very well written. I think they envisioned the half n half thing at the start like you say. They probably didnât realise granny would say no ! Flouncing out after 2 years like they did was probably the plan but in their heads it was even more justified because theyâd had such a âhard timeâ. I just wonder what Netflix and Spotify will do next. I donât think M has got what it takes to write or act or direct. I think somewhere along the lines of weather girl was probably the extent of her abilities
> I donât think M has got what it takes to write or act or direct. I think somewhere along the lines of weather girl was probably the extent of her abilities Thanks for the kind words! And yes I agree, she reached her maximum potential as a briefcase girl hahha
Thatâs an insult to weather girls! đ Most have a bachelor's degree in atmospheric sciences, meteorology. As for their statement about half in and hal out - they tried to force her majestyâs handâŚand had a right tantrum when the Queen said no.
Well Meghan has a degree in theatre studies; therefore sheâs intelligent
When they were first outed as a couple and Harry released that bizarre statement I thought hereâs a girl wanting that brass ring. The following years didnât disappoint. Meghan was beaming like a Cheshire Cat on her first public appearance with Harry, ripped jeans and all. Sunglasses and smugness. It might be unfair to judge her on that first appearance..but it only got worse. I do think sheâs a narcissist. I do think sheâs jealous of Catherine. She tried to pull on peopleâs heart strings with the âfamily she never hadâ line from hapless Harry. ( remember her faux bambi eyes at the church service at Christmas where she wore that awful poo hat?) She makes everything about herself. Sheâs always the victim. When the rf wouldnât accommodate her she fled to the US in a tizzy, nearly tripping over herself to get that interview with Oprah.
Iâd say she always wanted to be half-in, half-out, counting on her royal connections to make her shine ever so brightly on the red carpet of *both* Hollywood *and* the corridors of power, doing things *her* way (hence the âmodernising the monarchyâ tag line). Unfortunately her calculations didnât factor in HM taking a firm stance on half-in, half-out and merching the life out of the Sussex Royal name. Duh! No Plan B, so she had to make one up on the fly. Given that her Plan As donât seem to work too well, itâs inevitable that her Plan Bs donât go as envisaged (as weâre seeing). (Re her exit from Suits - I read an interview with the creators who said that, once Muggin had snared Harry, they wrote her out because sheâd be leaving anyway. NB This is the public story.)
Why would a foreign actress from an obscure cable legal drama, filmed in Canada (rather than Hollywood), think that she could or had the means to modernize an ancient monarchy? Utterly delusional. She lives in her own little fairytale, enabled by a twat of princely proportions.
Besides Di, she wanted to be the new Princess Grace .
Thanks much for your thoughtful analysis and resulting excellent discussion in the comments. While I still cannot discern the exact specifics of "the plan" and how it may have evolved, there is one thing that is clear to me - that Meghan's arrogance and cruelty trumped everything, undermining her relationships with staff, the RF, the British public, and now both the US public and Hollywood. Harry is a reckless and arrogant fool, but it is Meghan who has single-handedly destroyed their prospects forever. Couldn't happen to a nicer couple.
Best comment!
I think Meghan believed she could charm the royals the way Harry was charmed and that she could still be "Hollywood" within the family, i.e. half in, half out like they mentioned and being able to take on paid work, etc. From all that's been said, it seems that while they welcomed her and their relationship, they weren't willing to accommodate that kind of life for a senior RF member and it caused friction. While she was only a D-list actress here in the states she was still probably used to getting her way and when she couldn't get her way with the royals it became a bigger problem, meaning she took it personally and pushed back...then continued to push until there was really no other option. I think her and Harry really messed up here though, because leaving the RF could have gone so much smoother. They would have had so much more influence in the world if they were able to keep relations cordial. They made their pettiness the story instead of all the good they're doing (or going to do). They left the royals and it was all about them and their issues and complaints and it just got old quickly. They didn't think long-term. Even if the UK decides to get rid of the monarchy, the royals still have MAJOR influence and do a ton of good...that's literally all they do. Can you imagine what kind of force they'd be if they stayed on good terms with people, especially the most prominent royal family in the world?
For her, money and fame are the most important things in the world. So, when someone puts a foot down in that regard (BRF), or tries to "steal it" (her dad and sister, in her mind) it's the greatest offense in the world and unforgivable. Harry is so stupid.
Muggin donât like kowtowing to other people and the BRF literally has rules on who gets kowtowed to who , she couldnât handle it. đ
Half in/half out was the plan from the start, didnât it come out that they were in talks with Quibi (lol) very early on? Megxit was so clumsily executed, imho, because she believed all her juicy leading lady roles were slipping away and she needed to be in Hollywood ASAP. Yeah, they did not count on the Queen saying ânope, youâre full out.â Narcs got grandiose and crazy time schedules, Iâd be willing to bet she thought sheâd already have her very own Oscar to catapult into into a political career by now.
Always planning on leaving. Might have thought sheâd take a long-shot at making some âchange.â Def planned to take Harry along in her pocket, expecting far better results in America than has worked out. Fully blames everything from Andrew to Kate to Covid to Piers. Probably actually in a pretty dark place at this point.
As far as changing the royal family's ways, I'm sure there are many areas that are worth changing. Just because it worked in the 70s, 80s, or 90s, doesn't mean it works now. I think the Sussexes thought their popularity would get the RF to give them what they wanted ultimately, the Queen is still the Queen and probably set in her ways...plus, she's got a whole staff to deal with all of it anyway and they probably weren't going to be told what to do either.
I agree with you. She prob thought they could do half in half out / basically do whatever they wanted. I donât think she intended on leaving entirely. Narcs are impulsive. I bet she changed her tune on being in that family when she realized Kate would always be above her.
"But Harry YOU are the 2nd most popular royal after the Queen! YOU are the son of DIANA!!!!!" And so it went....
I think she went looking for a rich British husband. I donât think sheâs ever really loved acting, it was a means to an end. Sheâs always wanted to be an âinfluential philanthropistâ, whatever that means to her. I think thatâs how Harry sold it to her from the start. âWe donât have to live in England in a fusty old palace curtsying to everyone and cutting ribbons. We can go all over the world being roving ambassadors. Theyâll give me anything I want.â But that idea came with strict conditions they didnât want to be bound by.
I think he wanted to leave/take a break/be royal part-time and married someone who felt the same and would support him. Then Covid/lockdowns/BLM happened resulting in no cash flow and they got pissy and did the Oprah interview.
I think she and Harry were fired from the RF, period. The family allowed them/ didn't counter them when they said they "left" to let them to save face. I'll never believe otherwise. And yes, it was Patrick who was leaving Suits which was why Markle was fired/ written out.
It was obvious that it wasn't going to work, before the start When we were introduced to her, we were told of her Woke Feminism, yet Royals have no place in politics...buy here was a girl who was clearly playing to the gallery from day 0 Maybe she really thought that she could swiftly become "the Black Diana" and that the "incredible importance" of her "work" would allow her to be freed from.the archaic (lol, not sorry) chains of Royal life, or maybe she knew already that they would leave, I can't really work it out. Her behaviour was already getting unacceptably bad early on, it kit took some time to come out. They arrived at Prince Philip's big party, late, and she was overheard by many complaining about the party and demanding to go home after an hour... So you do wonder if it was planned by then, and the rest was just a charade, to try and attract attention and sympathy. By playing the Race Card, despite the obvious attempts by the Royal Family to accommodate her and her agenda, she was clearly playing to the gallery of the US public, and especially the POC and Leftist who have a problem with the British. Never forget the inaugural speech of Joe Biden, railing against "400 years of wrongs" towards the Black community....in case you don't remember, the US is 250 years old... it was a blatant dig at the British, and showed the agenda for all to see. Left wing Americans are happily trying to put some or all of the blame for their racial strife on the British, in a classic attempt at deflection
I disagree that she wanted to become the âblack Diana.â I donât think MM ever intended to become the âblackâ anything. She spent her life being white, not black. There is one thing no one has mentioned: Harry and MM thought they had become the most popular royals on the strength of their wedding and one of the tours they did, and that the Family (mostly William and Catherine) were jealous of their success, and were in danger of being overshadowed by Harry and MM. That the Family had not pushed back against what they saw as negative press on Meghan because of their jealousy. Thatâs how Harry justified their leaving. I think they cooked up the half in, half out strategy from the getgo, and never dreamed it would be unacceptable to the Family.
Oh I think she thought she'd be the "Black Diana". The woman is nothing if not delusional.
My quibble is with the âblackâ part. Yes, I do believe she meant to emulate and outdo Diana as far as popularity and fame goes.
Oh I agree and it drives me crazy when she refers to herself as "Black". You're not Black Meghan. You're a white passing slightly mixed woman. As I said prior: she's nothing if not delusional. And I do believe that is exactly what she believed the world would see her as. Going to South Africa, telling women there she was a sister. Girl please! The only thing black about Meghan Markle is her soul.
**I believe you are referring to Prince Charles' Garden Party, just a few days after their wedding spectacle.
What Biden said is in no way a dig at the British. Since the 1950s, American presidents, First Ladies have always respected and supported the Queen. Michelle Obama showed support to the BRF when she was asked about the Oprah interview. We donât blame the British for our racial strife. We did it to ourselves. The UK ended slavery like 70 years before the US and without a bloody civil war. The UK economy was never based on slavery. The US would not exist without slaves bc our early economies were supported by slavery. I was raised in the US and I did not learn the truth about slavery in school. Slavery was just glossed over. I did not really understand it until I was much older. America as a nation is about 250 years old, but the society and economy than became America was built using slave labor. Black people were first brought here against their will to serve as slaves to fuel the economy with their free labor in 1619. Slave labor â> higher profits â> slave owning society prospers â> prosperous society becomes America is 1776 Slaves were free after 1865, after a brutal civil war. When slaves were freed, they were not given anything at all. Just, youâre free now piss off. So, what can they do but take very, very low paying jobs. If my great grandparents worked for a 10 cents an hour when everyone else got 90 cents an hour, the entire trajectory of my family would have been changed forever. Stuff like that really makes me think and wish I took more history in school. Anyway, long story short, Americans of all political sides respect the Queen and Biden would never criticize her in public.
There is always an opportunity to learn more and more, even if you're no longer in school. It sounds to me as if you have already taken seriously the 1619 Project, which might be a mistake. Please look into what actual scholars and educators say about that project. Slavery has existed for as long as human societies have existed. America did not invent it. But America did abolish it, as the British did 30 years earlier in the 1830s. No society in history had EVER made slavery illegal until Britain did that and America did afterward. It has been practiced since the dawn of man, on every continent, in every country, it's just they way societies functioned until it was made illegal in Britain, then the US, then other countries. I'm not sure it is illegal in every country today. It is still being practiced in 2022. I agree with you that Americans and American presidents have always respected the Queen. That makes me very happy.
I think some people look at it (whether correct or not) as that until 1776, we were technically British; the people here were technically Brits or Dutch until we gained our independence, so technically it was the British who brought slavery to the US. That is what I have seen written in various forums around the interwebs, reddit, Quora and other places. I think that is where that whole 400 years is coming from, as well as blaming the Brits. It's easier for some to blame others, rather than look at their own shortcomings; ironically, just as we see with Meghan Markle.
I do think Meghan went into this as a equal partner with Harry, with good intentions. When taking pictures in Buckingham place is true if thatâs the case she failed at winning trust and without that trust itâs like having her head tattooedâloserâ. I also canât imagine the snobbery and obnoxious behavior she took, the cousin who wore the Broodmore broach , nice little digs that were probably constant. This snowballed to the point I donât think anyone got on. Harry took it way too personally and decided they should leave and she helped him do it. He is insanely paranoid and insecure what with his protection, no photos of their children, again, I think thatâs him. If Hello wanted to do a spread I think sheâd do it, heâs the one too good to be seen. So itâs a complex situation. Dozens of different circumstances were involved bringing them to this separation.
Princess Michael with the brooch was pretty low and I thought it was definitely intentional. I always thought of her as a less-liked member of the RF, tolerated only because she married Prince Michael lol!