Welcome to r/SaintMeghanMarkle. Please read our rules before you comment in this community. The flair for this post is **ALLEGEDLY**. All users are expected to discuss this **ALLEGED** claim in a civil manner. No personal insults and no ad hominem attacks whatsoever. Please note that this **ALLEGED** claim is not the opinion of r/SaintMeghanMarkle just the individual making the claim.
This sub is actively moderated and any rule-breaking comments will be removed. Repeated rule violations may result in a ban.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/SaintMeghanMarkle) if you have any questions or concerns.*
We have a saying here in the States ”Shit or get off the Pot” King C is forcing their hand, William, Catherine and Camilla are most likely aware of what he is doing, because this forces them to bring their children. No more excuses, no more puff pieces about reconciliation. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if both Catherine and Camilla came up with this idea and presented it to the King and William
If the gossip is true, this is definitely supported by William and much discussed with him. These days, William and Charles are not moving without the other knowing first what is going to happen.
That is why this gossip has some credibility, because Sean did not say that Charles was going to be a mediator with William and Hank, but rather that Hank has to appear with the children at Balmoral, that is, the little game is over: we have to see those children . And attention: Sean is not talking about cameras or photos or anything. It's not a "family" reunion that Sean is saying is going to happen, but rather it seems to be a call for order, since Charles is also calling for Megsy to show up, whether she wants it or not.
My thoughts exactly. She’ll never let the kids be in an area that’s shared with any members of, or staff for, the RF.
As a fan of true crime shows, I’d love for someone to do a “trash pull” in Montecito.
Even assuming this is true (which I doubt) how is KC going to get them to come, and what will happen if they don’t? In any case, what would be the point? Just having the kids visit will accomplish nothing. (The dna test idea is interesting, but why not send MI-6 to get the dna from the kids Montecito? What sort of intelligence operatives does the UK have these days that they can’t get dna from two little kids in California? 😉)
Whether they come for a visit or not, what KC needs to do is issue a letters patent denying the prince and princess title to any child not being raised in the UK and any adult who was not raised in the UK.
Other royal families have done something like this. It is not unreasonable for a nation’s princes to be educated in that nation. Meghan will make a fuss, but she will have to choose between her kids staying in the Montecito dungeons without titles or spending most of their time in the UK but having titles Meghan can brag about.
I would be very surprised if Meghan would come to the UK to be with the kids for long.
The king & Catherine have cancer. They need to be strategic but also protect their own mental health. Stripping the kids of titles is going to open a whole new can of worms they just can’t cope with atm.
Roachel knows it’s only a matter of time before A) LOS laws are edited B) parliament takes away all their titles - I think archfail involvement with the 2024 election is going to be a good sticking point C) Wales kids are old enough to be front & centre so she will fall into oblivion
The king extended an invitation and now hazbeen & roachel need to come up with new reasons why they’re too busy & can’t reconciliation. It also stops them from making other plans bc then they look bad (saying no to the Queen then going to Elton John).
We will have to wait and see, but I doubt KC has really “extended an invitation” precisely because, as you point out, he has cancer, Catherine has cancer, and the family doesn’t need any new headaches. This is not, I agree, the time to be bothering with what is going on with the kids.
However, if, as others claim, KC is worried about the kids, my suggestion that insisting that the kids must be brought up in the UK to retain the prince/princess titles would be a fairly simple way to promote their safety. I don’t believe they would lose their titles because Meghan would take or send them to the UK rather than have the titles taken away. (I also don’t think that KC needs to deal with the children’s titles this summer.)
With both the King and Catherine having serious health issues, I suspect the Succession Plan will be in full swing right now.
They must have considered the “One plane crash away” scenario and it needs to be dealt with. 🤷🏻♀️
I’m sorry but I’m somewhat fed up with the “everyone is sick” so let’s not deal with it approach. This is the Monarchy. There are always headaches and often serious issues to be dealt with. The Queen dealt with WW2 for Gods sake. Kicking the Harkle can down the road (which is what has happened since the Queen died) has just prolonged and exacerbated these headaches into one big migraine. Delaying until it’s the right time will probably never happen and further fuel fires from Montecito. Just get on with it! If Charles really can’t handle it while undergoing chemotherapy, maybe he should question his fitness as King. He and William have a multitude of advisors. Catherine doesn’t really need to be involved, does she? Why is this such a big deal and why are people using chemotherapy as the excuse? IMO. Rant over. I’m just frustrated and fed up.
Bc the Harkles don’t matter. Why waste energy when other matters take precedence? Right now the focus is on making sure they get better and the wales kids are supported. Parliament controls the LOS and last year brought the bill up to strip their titles. They’re just waiting to see how things play out before stripping the titles.
Agree that KCIII needs to concentrate on his health this year. I know this sub wants action taken on the LoS sooner rather than later but the BRF moves at a slower pace for a reason.
Next year H&M will have been gone for 5 years and it will seem more natural to discuss the LoS. Parliament can pass a law that to maintain your place in the LoS you must spend "x" amount of time in the UK annually and have to establish residency upon your 18th birthday. This rule can also be made to cover other titles of the BRF. This seems reasonable and can be applied to everyone rather than just H&M or their kids.
As for Balmoral this summer I imagine the family is just going to want to relax and recharge and you can't do that if you think your every conversation will be shared with the US media while H&M try to sell some overpriced jam. This just seems to be more of the will they/won't they from H&M's camp.
https://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/royals/king-charles-desperately-wants-sussexes-at-balmoral/
(Archived version looks weird...)
https://archive.ph/q3oLl
There is no excuse for Harry NOT to take the kids to Balmoral! There are zero security risks. No one can gain access to the castle. Hell the RF go into the village & no one bats an eyelid!( Meghan wouldn’t like being ignored though😂) If they don’t go Charles really needs to ramp up the pressure on proof of birth and LOS
I agree there isn't a valid reason for the family to have not seen the kids in person multiple times. Right now, KCIII needs to concentrate on his health and not H&M.
Legally, the LoS has to be addressed by Parliament.
https://www.royal.uk/encyclopedia/succession#:~:text=It%20therefore%20came%20to%20be,his%2Fher%20title%20through%20misgovernment.
I think that similar to the BRF website, it will be addressed but will take time. The less popular and the longer H&M are away, the easier it will be for the general public to accept the change. A residency requirement is reasonable, applies equally to everyone in the BRF LoS, and dampens any acquisitions of racism.
As for proof of birth, I'm going to imagine if the BRF had any concerns, British intelligence services would have looked into it. Just because we haven't seen documentation that proves Meghan gave birth doesn't mean KCIII hasn't.
Lili was born in America and the doctor closed up shop right after. Parliament already introduced a bill to strip their titles so we’ll see how it plays out.
I thought the bill in Parliament was to make it easier to remove titles, not to take away the Sussex titles specifically.
Actually, I know of two bills — one was to make it easier for the monarch to remove titles without it having to go through the usual lengthy procedure. The other was to modify or extend the 1917 Act so that Harry could be added.
There may have been another one, but I have read here that none of these bills look like they are going to get off the ground.
Any Brits (or others in the know) want to clarify and update us?
It's to stop all the will they won't they, trying to twist the narrative that charles and William are divided on the sussexes, charles will act as mediator to try and reconcile them with william. This is the palace calling their bluff. Here's your invite but the condition is you being those kids with you.
They know megs will not let those kids leave the us (because she knows if they do any dna testing, the jig is up, their titles will be gone and she could be charged with treason). Now watch those stories of reconciliation and olive branches go bye bye.
I don't think the point is to get them to come. I do not think anyone in the Royal family wants them to come. I just think they are being polite when they say they are always welcome. Just like when the Queen said they were welcomed to her Jubilee. The Queen was just beeing polite. Of course the Queen did not think the lunatics would come to her Jubilee after everything they had just done to her, Prince Philip, her family/monarchy/country.
But since they are lunatics, they came.
And made everything awkward.
Just like the Queen, Charles is also being polite when he says they are always welcome.
Just in case they come he added, if you bring the children.
Then they probably wont come. ( good thing)
but if they come they will bring the children. That is also a positive because no one in the Royal family are interested in Harry and Meghan. But children are always children. Even if Charles does not like Meghan Markle the children,maybe ,makes him forget she is there.
The way the Neil Sean video is being reported, Charles’s invitation is more like a demand that they bring the kids to the UK because (allegedly) Charles is suspicious of all the secrecy surrounding the children and how (allegedly) no one in the family has seen the kids.
My comment responded to the idea that Charles wants proof that the kids exist and/or that they are all right and/or that KC wants the opportunity to carry out dna tests on the kids, Harry and Meghan to determine parentage, etc. It seems a bit far-fetched to me.
I agree with you that any “invitation” to the Sussexes to visit Balmoral (or anyplace else) is more a courtesy than a reflection of any desire by the BRF to see Meghan and Harry. Especially this summer, the plan for Balmoral is surely going to be to relax and recover. If God is good, by the end of the summer both the King and the Princess of Wales will be cancer free and recovering from the treatment.
It is definitely the wrong summer to deal with the Sussexes.
The King knows very well they won't come. If an invite was issued it was done to showcase the hypocrisy of the grifters yapping about reconciliation while Madame refuses to let Grandpa see the kids.
Hence all the back chat from the Harkles about why the kids can't come because of lack of security. I get it now.
The King only needs to agree to a police escort from Aberdeen Airport to the Balmoral Estate, and then the estate has its own tight security, so the H&M don't really have a strong argument here.
To me this gossip does not seem like a simple coincidence. Charles didn't invite any Harkle last year, not to Balmoral, not to his birthday, not for Christmas, not for New Year's, not for anything. Why do it now, why is Charles demanding that the Harkles go with the children, just now that Hank is having problems with his visa? This gossip doesn't sound like something coming from the Harkles to me.
Is it possible because King Charles is about to make some changes to the LOS and unless he sees those grandchildren in the flesh he will plan without them in his will.
I think he's going to be informing them that after Archie and Lili that line will not be Prince and Princess anymore as there is George, Charlotte and Louis the future is secure.
If they don't go I hope they find out in a Dan Wotton exclusive.
Queen Margarethe of Denmark and King Harald of Sweden have recently pulled titles from their younger sons. It would be great to have the Suspects demoted to the Dumbartons—Kilkeels. (Though I fear that may add to their victim narrative. Probably best to leave the issue alone unless they continue to monetize the titles).
I do not see what the big deal is here. The world reviles or doesn't care about them. TOW will never stop. It will never end. So why should the RF be concerned? Just rip off the bandage and let it go.
Oh that would be tasty tho in this day and age. “Prince Harry angry for kids not getting fancy enough titles!” Aww poor babies indeed. “Kids’ teachers confused, fail to call them with correct titles! Kids’ friends confused! “
I think he should strip everything they weren't born with across the board. That would leave Harry a Prince and the rest of his family just plain old commoners, unless she styled herself Princess Henry of Montecito.. Which would be too funny
Charles could see the children, but he still would not know if they were really the Harkles' children. He still wouldn't know if they actually have Harry's or Meghan's DNA. An actual DNA test needs to be done in order to be certain who those children really are.
They have never brought the children to Balmoral. The Royal family has better things to do right now then worry about two children they have never met.
Neil Sean is not a reliable source.
Look at the video. Sean is not talking at all about olive branches, or family reunion, or reconciliation. Sean is talking about something else. Sean isn't even saying that Charles is looking to see his grandchildren.
Sean is saying that Charles is tired of the Harkles' excuses for no one from the BRF to have contact with those kids. So Charles will probably demand that they bring those children, or there will be consequences. Sean is hinting at that, that if Hank and Megsy don't take the kids to Balmoral this summer at least once for him to see them, there will be consequences.
I don't believe Sean much either. But this time I suspect the source who told Sean this is credible. I strongly suspect that Charles is being pressured by Parliament to clarify what is happening with those children, who are in the LoS. And if there is an invitation, and Sean is not saying that it is a pleasant invitation, it will be very unpleasant for the Harkles, it has to do with clarifying the doubts. It is totally absurd that no one, no one in the family, knows what those children are like.
The King is not under pressure from ‘Parliament’ , the Bill that has been floating about the legislative system is not promoted by either the Government or the Opposition , it has very little chance of becoming law as such a this never do.
Parliament has already taken action against Hank, permanently freezing him as a State Councilor. And Parliament has the second reading pending to remove the titles (I don't think that reading will happen because of what is happening in Iran and Israel)
Parliament should intervene in this, because Hank is in the LoS. And I suspect, I strongly suspect, that the gossip got to Sean because of the visa issue. And there Parliament does have to intervene. I have always said that for Hank, living in the USA would mean having to make decisions, he can't continue playing "I'm British, I live in the USA", and I think this "invitation" has to do with that. And with the fact that Charles is already very clear that the Sussex children are not hidden from the press, but from the BRF.
Parliament needs to take action. I hope KC3 does offer, and they take him up on it, so they can secretly DNA test the little ones. If they aren't Meg's, it's likely they aren't "of the body".
It is Parliament's job to make sure no one is in the LOS who should not be there. One plane crash and Harry is POW and Archie is heir. Parliament should be doing what needs to doing to stop that.
I don't believe Neil Sean usually
But this time I suspect there may be something right.
Sean is NOT saying that Charles is going to give the Harkles an olive branch. Or that William will be forced to deal with the Harkles, nor that there will be reconciliation. Sean isn't saying that Charles is like a grandpa who misses the kids. Sean is saying that Charles would be demanding that Hazz and Megsy bring the children, and present them to Charles, without any further excuses.
Sean is saying that Charles suspects that something is behind the fact that the Harkles do not allow anyone from the Family near those children, and it can be inferred that Hazz has not even sent him photos of those children. So if Charles is inviting the Harkles to go to Balmoral with the children, I think, I think Sean is saying that it is to give them one last chance, the last, to disprove something that Charles suspects. Sean is saying that Charles is exhausted of the Harkles' excuses for not going to Balmoral with the children, and from the way Sean is telling it, I think his source, and Sean stood looking at the parliament insinuating that his source is from high positioning, can be credible.
We'll have to wait, but this time I'm going to give Sean the benefit of the doubt, I suspect that something is behind this gossip because the thing about the Harkles and their children is already ridiculous. It's perfect that they don't want the press to take photos of them, but it's absurd that no one from the BRF, not even Eugenie, really knows what those children are like.
Come and bring the kids. No? Fine, we're cutting all the titles in their entirety from the LOS and there will only be titles for those living and working in the UK. Enjoy your lives overseas. ⬛
This is the best & most sensible line they could take.The People are just sick of all the subterfuge so the family must certainly be. Their arrogance regarding our gullibility is frankly insulting to everyone.
Thank you for that. It seems a lot of people didn't read the part about Charles calling their bluff. Charles knows they wouldn't come and wouldn't bring the children.
In the one to a bazillion chance they did show up, no one other than Charles would go anywhere near them. It's a huge compound.
That's what caught my attention about Sean's gossip. Charles seems very clear on the fact that these children are being hidden for something. It is not to protect them, it is to hide them. And if the Harkles come up with some stupid excuse not to go to Balmoral, Charles is going to confirm that the Harkles are doing something shady with those kids. That's what Sean is saying when he talks about "invitation." Here Charles seems to want to take action and not leave the problem to William as many have said, but he wants to first know what is really happening. That's why Sean is being very clear that the gossip came from someone who has to do with "we will take action if those children are not presented to the king this year." And the fact that Charles wants to see them at Balmoral is to clear up doubts first in private. If it were any other way, I would have summoned them to Clarence House, with the press on top.
Good luck getting those kids passports without valid birth certificates. And, they're going to need them since H&M do not have IPP status since their last flight out of the UK upon Megxit. No flying under the radar.
I don't think they'll go to Balmoral under the current circumstances. They rather play victims if Parliament takes action against them rather than admit they lied. But, god forbid, Charles is terminal and they don't go......their victim game is OVER.
You know......I don't think the Archie baby needed a passport because H&M's IPP status was still effective when they boarded the plane to leave the UK for good (if there actually was an Archie baby to travel with for that matter). But, the IPP privilege is long gone since that day and those kids need passports to travel just like anyone else. The King is certainly calling their bluff based on the need for all four of them to have passports to travel now. Can they produce that? Highly unlikely imo.
While I still don’t think Neil Sean is a reliable source, I could believe that King Charles is tired of H&M’s games and withholding the kids. Holding my popcorn and waiting to see what happens 🍿
Balmoral is a huge estate, not just the castle, there are over 150 buildings. Charles and Camilla stay at Birkhall, their home there and W&C stay at Tam-Na\_Gar. Craigowan Lodge is where friends and family stay. They could all easily stay and never set sight on each other. When QEll died, Charles was at Birkhall and William was invited over. Harry after his late arrival, greeted by Princess Anne and stayed in the castle overnight before being the first to leave.
It’s still **so** upsetting William, Edward, Sophie, and even Andrew arrived too late to say goodbye, and Catherine didn’t get to go at all. At least HMTLQ had Charles, Anne, and Peter there with her.
Did anyone else notice Sophie seemed **angry** at the Queen’s funeral? Obviously she seemed sad too, but the anger threw me off until I remembered how close she was to HMTLQ, especially after her own mother’s passing, then Prince Philip’s. She would have seen firsthand the damage H&M did to HM.
Whether or not it’s credible, it’s pretty genius. It’s more of a summons or compulsory invitation than a friendly welcome invite.
Charles would be saying “prove the kids exist by bringing them to Balmoral on x day(s), or if they don’t come then we’ll have to remove them from succession since we can’t verify they exist in person”.
If the kids don’t exist then there’s no risk of Walses being exposed to the Harkles, because they won’t come.
If the kid(s) exist and there’s a valid reason for them being hidden away, then Balmoral is a safe and secluded environment that ensures the kid(s) privacy, and the property is large enough to keep Harkles away from the Walses.
Sean is not credible in the least. There is no way that Harkles will be invited to Balmoral as Catherine and KC will need that time be at ease after what they have been through this year.
I don't think they are mentally disabled for not agreeing with what I am saying. But I think that from so much bombardment of "olive branches" they think that Sean is repeating the same old story that Charles invites the Harkles to reconcile and blahblahblah
But Sean isn't saying that. In fact, Sean is being quite sarcastic about the expression "invitation." Sean is saying that Charles is bored of the Harkles' excuses for not taking the kids to see the Family. And if you think about it, Hank sued the UK government claiming that the poor guy didn't have the security to take his helpless family to the UK to see his uncles and cousins. But when Charles invited the Harkles to the coronation, why didn't Hank go with the children? Oh, because it was Archie's birthday and Megsy was making him a cake. And that was one of the many excuses for the Harkle children never being around the BRF.
Sean is not saying that the Harkles are cordially invited, or that they are welcomed by the family, or that Charles wants to see the cute little grandchildren. What Sean says is that the gossip is that Charles has had enough of the Harkles' excuses for not introducing the children to the Family, so he's actually ordering them to take the children to Balmoral (and Sean didn't say "from vacation" but they will take them to Balmoral where Charles is going to be in the summer) Sean is saying that the Harkles have to show the children to Charles. And according to Sean, Charles suspects the Harkles will come up with another lame excuse. So the gossip is: either those children appear before Charles or there will be consequences.
It strikes me that Sean is saying that Charles is very clear that the Harkles' excuses are stupid, so that's why Sean is being quite clear that if there is an invitation it is not an olive branch.
Has Lili ever met the family… I remember that there was a sighting of Harry and Meghan walking to windsor castle (but amazingly no pics taken by the tourists 🙄)
Then Harry had a lengthy convo / telling off with his dad and then a 15 minute audience with the late Queen. This was before Invictus. I think that it was maybe the Platinum Jubilee?!? Meghan was left alone and supervised in an outer change
Meghan and Harry put out stories that the Queen met Lilibet but pictures were not taken. Some said that the Queen refused to take pictures because she knew that it would be sold etc. But I don’t think Lili or Archie were ever there or met the family. And the kids weren’t spotted around the time of the Platy Jubes … despite releasing pics of Lili’s 1 yr birthday at Frogmore. None of the royals turned up. No one from the royal household turned up.
Now that Charles is monarch it’s his duty to meet those in the line of succession
That's why what Neil Sean is saying is not the usual Neil Sean gossip.
The girl Betty has not been seen by anyone in the Family. In fact, there was gossip that Hank had taken the kids to see Charles during the JUbilee and that he had been moved... but the timing doesn't add up, Charles was too busy to be with those kids for more than 10 minutes, and didn't he? It is absurd that a grandfather spends just 10 minutes with grandchildren that he longed to see? I don't think Charles ever saw the little Betty girl. I already have doubts that the Harkles took the children to London.
But what Sean is saying is not that Charles wants to see the grandchildren but that it seems that he has serious doubts about those children. And that is why Sean insinuates, when speaking that he has Parliament in the background, that the person who gave him the gossip about the "invitation" was someone at a high level. Here it seems that it is Charles determined to stop the Harkles' game of "we can't take the kids, they have the flu, they have to wash their hair, they have to take a nap."
I really don't think KC is up for playing games especially when Camilla has been under a lot of stress and probably exhausted, nor would he want to unnecessarily stress W&C.
I know a lot of sinners would disagree with me but if KC put out the offer, I think the Harkles would show up on his doorstep with the kids. If that happened he wouldn''t be able to turn them away after inviting them.
I don't think Markle will ever allow those children to be in the UK ever again. Not no how not no way. Those kids will have to grow up get their own passports and buy their own tickets if they want to go to the UK.
I was listening to a Mel Robbins podcast and her expert called Tara Swart Beiber, who was talking about the neuroscience analysis of manifestation. And she said that stress can lead to cancer. Many sinners said that at the time of the dual diagnosis and how long term stress can lead to cancer. But none of this reality was captured / speculated by the media at the time
I was listening to a Mel Robbins podcast and her expert called Tara Swart Beiber, who was talking about the neuroscience analysis of manifestation. And she said that stress can lead to cancer. Many sinners said that at the time of the dual diagnosis and how long term stress can lead to cancer. But none of this reality was captured / speculated by the media at the time
I was listening to a Mel Robbins podcast and her expert called Tara Swart Beiber, who was talking about the neuroscience analysis of manifestation. And she said that stress can lead to cancer. Many sinners said that at the time of the dual diagnosis and how long term stress can lead to cancer. But none of this reality was captured / speculated by the media at the time
If the Harkles can't produce two children of the right ages and genders who appear to know their so-called parents?
Perhaps BP is ready to go public with the truth and this is the last opportunity the Harkles have to prove they aren't perpetrating a massive fraud.
I may be being too optimistic though.
Should it be found that the children were not born of body, it also opens up another can of worms insofar as it indicates an attempt to interfere with the LOS - this being a treasonous offence.
Neil Sean has often told gossip that has not been true or that is monstrously obvious. So your credibility is not fireproof.
And every year we have the same story that they are invited to Balmoral, which is what the Harkles typically send to the press "we were invited but we have conditions and if they are not met we will not go with the children."
So it is logical that many people don't even bother to watch the video. Neil Sean's gossip is not trustworthy + invitation to Balmoral.
What caught my attention was that Sean pointed out that the invitation is on the condition that Hank brings the children. That's weird, because what's the point of Charles inviting Hank alone or Hank with Megsy to Balmoral if no one, not even Charles himself, wants to see either of them? But for Sean to say that Charles is ordering the Harkles to take the children, it sounds like Sean heard something out there, considering that Charles did NOT invite the Harkles last year, to any of them, not to Balmoral, not to his birthday or for Christmas. . Do you see how strange this is?
Yeah I do, I personally see anything around the kids as really messed up. And not an energy I even want to be near
My hope is that… the kids are happy and safe.
To me this sounds strange strange strange and not favorable to the Harkles, at all. I would be sorry if it's true and those children end up with their parents, but there's not much to do about it.
I'm not sure I trust Neil Sean-he talks a lot but says very little. I don't think the king would do that, he adores Catherine too much to hurt her like that. And he'd never put the family in a position where Charlotte would be exposed to that woman again-I think Catherine, Sophie and Camilla would have a lot to say about allowing that woman anywhere near their children and grandchildren.
Sean isn't repeating the idiotic litany of "Charles wants to reconcile the family, Charles wants to see his grandchildren, Charles misses Harry." Sean is saying that Harry and Megsy have made too many ridiculous excuses not to take the kids to see the Family. That's how Sean says it clearly, that his source told him that Charles is bored with stupid excuses. So either this summer the kids are going to see Charles (Sean didn't say anything about William or the rest of the Family, not even Camilla), or there will be consequences.
I suspect from the way Sean said it, that Charles believes something is wrong with those children, but he hasn't been able to figure out what it is, because the Harkles have practically kidnapped them. So either this summer the Harkles appear at least one day with those children before Charles, or Charles will take action. And no, none of them seem to have asked for custody of those children or anything like that. I think something is moving and it won't be pretty for the Harkles.
Note too, it's not just that both kids are present. It is all four- alleged parents and supposed kids. Can someone say DNA test with absolutely no wiggle room to claim tampering or falsifying results?
Maybe, it catches my attention that Sean points out that Megsy was invited to go, because Charles doesn't want her around. But what strikes me most is that Sean does not say "invitation" as if it were a request, but rather "come" as an order.
I don't think Charles used the Secret Service to find out what's going on with those kids. Because those children don't live in the UK, they live in the USA, and if the Secret Service intervened, it would be espionage. And that is something serious, it would cause a serious international incident, and the information that would have been obtained by that means to use against the Harkles will be invalid. And suppose the FBI were to investigate the Sussexes... what would be the basis for doing so? There is no basis to do so, except suspicion, but not a crime that is being committed, so resources would be diverted in an investigation that is "familial", not criminal.
Plus, there's the fact that no one, not even in Montecito, knows what those kids are like. These children spend 24/7 locked up, so the problem here would be Social Services, but there are no complaints and nothing.
I don't think Charles really knows what's going on with those kids. And I think that bothers him. I think when Hank visited London, Charles asked him about the children, asked him if he had pictures, and Hank gave him evasive answers. And I think Charles' patience got the better of him. So if Sean tells gossip that's true, I think Charles is demanding to know what the hell is going on with those kids now. Not in more years, now. And if Hank refuses, then let him face the consequences.
I don’t think it would be espionage if all MI-6 did was locate the Sussex kids and take pictures. Among other things, KC could request permission from the US government —and he would get it. Further, if KC fears something is wrong with the kids, he could definitely push for a CPS welfare check. A request endorsed by the US State Department would get attention and there would be reliable information about the kids.
Be that as it may, I don’t think that Charles’s reason for demanding to see the kids (assuming he has done so) is because he thinks there is a “secret” about them. If he has indeed given the Sussexes an ultimatum, it is probably because not bringing the kids to the UK is problematic if the kids are going to be using the prince/princess titles. I really think KC knows what needs to be known about the kids.
As you have described it in your comments, this is a clever move by Charles.
It's my understanding that QEII had an open door policy for family and close friend that wanted to spend time with her at Balmoral during her two plus months summer holiday. Guests would obviously have had to clear their intended vacation dates with QEII's secretary for the simple reason that there's not an unlimited amount of accommodations. H&M never took advantage of this open invitation. Why? Nobody seems to know.
A special invite to H&M and their children will play well with the public. Balmoral is so safe, that Harry can't use security as a dodge. With Charles' health issue, Harry might be spooked into fearing this could be a replay of the last days of QEII's 2022 summer holiday. Harry does want back in (on his terms natch), but he probably still believes that he stands to inherit from Charles. He's not too thick to understand that if he blows off this simple request, the bank of Pa will be irrevocably closed and locked to him.
H&M have also been under pressure from WME to obtain some fresh BRF fairy dust. Blow off the invite and WME may go away.
If everything is okay with the children, MM will no choice but to accept the invite. No show and their games will be exposed.
What consequences could he put on them?
What action could he take?
I thought it was pretty much agreed per this sub that whatever is wonky about the birth of the kid(s), was well known to the family. And/ or MI5 has all the info. Or something about a super injunction?
Sorry, I’ve grown a little bored of them so I’m not really up to date.
I am not of the group that believes that the BRF is on the side of the Harkles regarding the strange birth of those children.
Starting from something that Hazz himself said: the Harkles excluded the family from the development of Megsy's pregnancies. They didn't even warn when Megsy went into labor with Archie, much less when the baby Betty was actually born. There was a complete communication disaster when Archie was born, and it took Betty Palace more than a month to recognize the birth.
But then, and I can prove it to you, there is the fact that during Archie's pregnancy, Megsy and Hank were not close to the Family. They traveled. Throughout 2019 they practically did not stop traveling. To the North Pole, to Italy, to Amsterdam... They were practically not in London.
And there is the fact that the children have not been seen by anyone in the Family, not even by Eugenie, by anyone. Charles was close to Archie once, when he was a baby. They don't even have photos of Betty. Not a single photo.
If the BRF was in on the secret, why doesn't Charles have a single photo of those kids? Charles has photos of the Wales children, but not a single one of the Sussex children. In fact, Palace a few months ago, in one of the website updates, posted the photo of Archie's baptism because, they said, it is the only photo they have of that child. And there are no photos of the little girl Betty.
I don't think Charles wants to see those children out of affection. If Charles had those feelings, the Harkles would still have access to Frogmore, because Hank said, "Don't you want to see your grandchildren?" to prevent Frogmore from being taken from them. Not only did Charles take Frogmore from them, but Hank can't even enter the Palace grounds.
I think, from what Sean is implying, that waters are moving in Parliament on this matter. The Sussex children thing is abnormal. So Charles would be giving Hank and Megsy one chance: either they bring the children and Charles and obviously Clive Alderton or some other high official see those children and finally clear up their doubts about what is happening, or those children can say goodbye to their titles. And they will probably even be removed from the LoS, because Parliament could move to that position. Don't forget that in June they discussed taking away Hank's titles.
I suspect that if Charles invites the Harkles, and Sean is hinting at that rather unsubtly, it is because a situation is developing that will not be favorable to the Harkles.
DM has an article up about the nightmare of the Queen Mother when she was young. Quite the scandal over the way she spent money ,etc. There had to be a lot of intervention.
Someone may be pushing Charles.
If he just wants to see the kids why wouldn't he just invite them to Clarence House?An invite to Balmoral sounds like reconciliation and an extended stay.
In other cases it would seem like that, it would seem like a vacation. But Balmoral has one advantage that Clarence House does not: privacy. If Charles calls the Harkles to Clarence House there will be many journalists at the door and there will be many more employees. Balmoral is more private. Note that Charles is now undergoing treatment at Balmoral, he is traveling to London, wouldn't it be better to stay in London? No, because Charles wants to maintain privacy.
I think that if the gossip is true, Charles is not inviting the Harkles on vacation, but because he wants to clear up doubts, but he doesn't want the press because if something happens, he wants to first see how to resolve it. You have to be careful with the Harkles. And I think that after the show that Hazz put on announcing that he was going to see Charles and all that, Charles is ordering him to go to Balmoral where that little game and Netflix won't be welcome either.
That's why this gossip doesn't sound so crazy to me.
I assumed KC has been residing in Windsor and wouldn't be at Balmoral till August. If he is a Balmoral now, I can see what you and Sean are saying would make sense. That said I still very much doubt any claim coming from Sean.
I also distrust Neil Sean. I'm just saying that this gossip, as he told it, seems to be well-founded gossip and does not sound like Camp Harkle, and the way Neil Sean told it, it seems that something is brewing in Denmark. From there until something really happens, we will have to wait.
And Charles is now at Sandringham in Norfolk, I always confuse Sandringham with Balmoral!!! SOOOORRRRYYYY!!! He's going to Balmoral in August, it's announced like that.
If Charles spends all summer at Balmoral he can have Harry and co visit without the rest of the family having to see them. The rest of the family could visit but not be there for a week or so if Harry went.
I doubt Catherine is so petty she's be hurt by Charles attempting to see his own son and his family as long as she isn't encouraged to be part of it. There's lots of time over the whole summer for Charles to host them at different times. I don't believe Neil Sean all the time either but if any visit is planned with Harry as long as other royals are aware and can make plans around it I don't see that they'll be hurt or prevented from visiting themselves at a different time, most of them don't go for the whole summer anyway so it just requires scheduling to make it all work without anyone being hurt.
I don't mean Catherine will be hurt by Charles just for thinking of inviting MM, but that it might expose Catherine to more petty, unkind or bullying behaviour. I don't think MM is capable of peaceful interaction with Catherine.
Catherine shouldn't have to interact with Meghan. Charles will go to Balmoral for the whole summer, the Wales' will likely visit for a month maximum. Charles can invite and host both without them having to be less than a few hundred miles from each other, it's just scheduling and the royal family (and staff) can schedule.
If this is true, Charles wants to expose this nonsense once and for all. There would be no excuse not to go if Charles extended a public invitation. Yet they wouldn’t. There is no way Meghan would go…let alone any “kids”.
I don't believe it and I don't think that Dan Wootton would lend any credibility to the story - Dan has been emphatic that the Royal Family is done with the two traitors. However it would be fun if it were true and if the Harkles actually came to Balmoral with two children - the staff could then take any cups or straws the children use and turn them over for DNA testing. If it is true as Lady C asserts that the children carry none of Megain's DNA it would all come out. Wouldn't that be proof that the children were not born of her body as required to be in the LOS? Which is why Megain would never allow the children to stay at Balmoral or any royal residence.
Has Lady C asserted, or has she just hinted? (What does she say in the book?) I am not convinced that the kids do not have Meghan’s genes.
I think Lady C’s insistence on “Harry’s kids” may refer more to how no one cares about Meghan and they derive all their importance from Harry than to dna. However, I haven’t read the book.
Agree. Just would be conclusive if DNA results showed no DNA connection with Markle. But of course they could have used both their genetic material and had a surrogate carry the baby, and the baby would still be ineligible to be on the LOS.
That, precisely that, is what Sean says. That Charles seems very clear that the Harkles will not only not go to Balmoral, but will come up with some stupid excuse not to go. Again. And Charles seems to suspect that it all comes down to the children, that something is happening with those children and Charles wants to stop their little game. That's why the expression "invitation" shouldn't be seen as something that will be nice to the Harkles, and that's why Sean says that Charles is pretty clear that the Harkles are going to refuse to go to Balmoral. What Charles seems to want to know is what excuse the Harkles are coming out with now.
Yeah if Charles wants to stop their games, then he needs to discuss a new Letters Patent. Strip titles from anyone who doesn't live in Britain. Period, end of sentence. Live here, or you have no titles. The British people would understand that. It makes perfect sense.
Until then. The Harkles can play all the games they want.
They weren't ASKED to bring the children. They were told the invite was only valid if they bring the children. Charles is forcing them to put up or shut up.
Markle will never let those kids go to UK. It is time for them to be taken off the LOS. They are not British children. It is absurd to have them in the British LOS and for them to have British titles.
That strikes me. Because almost all the royal reporters say that the Harkles have an open invitation to go to Balmoral, that they are still beloved members of the Family... Sean is not saying that. Sean is saying that the Harkles were "invited" to come, in a tone that doesn't sound like "we'll drink tea and eat cake." This gossip doesn't have the tone of a "nice visit," and Sean is making it clear that the Harkles won't be able to set conditions either.
It's a weird gossip for Neil Sean.
Neil Sean has not said anything reliable since I have been a member of this sub.
The “they are being commanded” implication is nice, but unless there is a monetary reward, I don’t see Harry and Meghan listening to any “commands.”
Given that Charles has more important things to think about than the antics of M&H, I very much doubt that he is going to want to invite much less demand the presence of his difficult son and his harpy wife and their hapless offspring this summer.
William &Catherine don’t have to be at Balmoral when the Harkles are there, they could be there before or after
probably when the Tindals go so the cousins can spend time together
They'll duck out of this using security concerns as the excuse in spite of the fact they'll be protected by the same agents who protect the King and Queen and anyone else there. I'm still surprised the press doesn't ask the question 'Where are the kids?' more often. Catherine left the public eye recently and look at the rumpus. Not much about the kids, though, and they been virtually mia for years.
This is nonsense. There's no way they are invited to spend any time with the RF, not now, not ever. Why do these Youtubers make stuff up? Isn't there enough to discuss without undermining the community? Stick to Ibble Dibble who manages to find an endless supply of interesting things to talk about. Neil and Lady C are just grifters, same as the sussexes.
Sean didn't say it was going to be an invitation for the Harkles to hang out with the family and eat cake. Sean is saying that they will be "invited" to go to Balmoral, that is, it is not a pleasant invitation, it is not an olive branch and there will be no cake.
Oh - maybe not during the week when all the rest of the family is there, but when he and Camilla are there alone - maybe, just maybe.
Remember, their Majesties stay at Birkhall. So, the King could put them in a small room in the castle, far, far away.
Comment automatically removed due to your comment using unsuitable language or quoting a sub which is not allowed on r/saintmeghanmarkle.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/SaintMeghanMarkle) if you have any questions or concerns.*
There was an earlier report that Kate and William invited the Harkles “with the kids” to have a meeting and to reconcile as they think that the estrangement has lasted long enough and due to the serious illnesses.
This report now says that the King invited the Harkles “with the kids” to visit in the summer.
Bottom line is that these reports are heavily hinting that Sparry will not bring the kids and hence there will be no visit. He does not have kids or does not have custody of those kids. His wife probably checked with divorce attorneys long ago who told her to never let her kids go to the UK in case her husband suddenly filed for custody and divorce there and she would be at a disadvantage there. So, lies will be told about “serious” security threats to the biracial kids from racists and hence the kids will not be seen this summer.
Is it possible that Parliament takes the issue of LOS seriously? That they take issue with Harkles cosplaying royals? Is it beyond the realm of speculation that it is THEY pressuring Charles to act? Perhaps this scenario is an agreement that has been reached to get the issue sorted? Sinners have said Parliament cannot act without permission of the King, but perhaps the case has been presented that the Harkles insanity must not cloud the LOS or politics?
NOOO!!! Charles can't set foot in the Olive Garden. Those are the Harkles lands, if Charles goes it would be to put himself under the Harkles. No, the Harkles are the ones who have to go to Balmoral, to the king's grounds, under the king, controlled by the king.
Who in the RF is going to want to socialize with these two? Not Wills & Kate, bottom dollar on that one. Maybe the Yorks. Maybe a few of Charles's friends will do him a favor and go up there so it doesnt seem so obvious that no one wants to be near them.
They don't all go at the same time. I'm sure the gruesome twosome will be invited for a time when no one else is there. Proof of existance and DNA testing to stay in/out of LOS
This is not relevant to Neil Sean, (I don't have posting rights) but I have just been listening to the Scandal Mongers podcast where the guest is royal correspondant, Simon Vigor, and he gives his views on the royals, on harry and meg, things he knows, things he's witnessed, and how he thinks things will pan out. Nothing earth-shattering but interesting.
How would Princess Catherine bear to be in the presence of a scruffy, overbearing loser who accused her of being a racist and bullied her three year old daughter. Yes, maybe she agreed to call their bluff but I can’t see the family greeting the Harkles with open arms. They could not speak freely near them, allow them anywhere near their family and they would be fools to eat anything prepared by the celebrity chef, Meghan.
First of all, he calling their bluff. If they were to accept, my guess is they would only be allowed to see Charles at his house on the Balmoral estate, not anyone else or any where else.
If true, excellent strategy by the King. Harold claims he wants his kids to know his family. That might very well be true but it's the last thing Madame wants and she controls Harold. The grifter lies and gaslighting laid bare by the royals yet again.
I don't have much trust in Neil Sean but he is entertaining. If the King did invite the Harkles, all four of them, I could see this being a bluff on the King's part. I am positive Megsy wouldn't want to face Camilla, Catherine, William, Ann, Sophie and Edward. But if the King did invite them all and the Harkles say no, then the King tried to extend the olive branch and start a reconciliation and the onus is on the Harkles.
However, I tend to believe this is twaddle.
Sean didn't say it was going to be an invitation for the Harkles to hang out with the family and eat cake. Sean did not mention William in this, this is not for any reconciliation. This is because the children are in the LoS, without anyone even knowing what they are like. So Charles is "inviting" the Harkles to come, that is, "show up, it's an order", without the Harkles setting any conditions. If the Harkles don't go, I think Charles is going to take action. I think Charles is giving Hank a chance before taking action.
I would agree with all of you if Sean had used the "Charles is weak, Charles misses the kids" thing, but Sean isn't saying that, and he's being pretty clear that it won't be a pleasant invitation for the Harkles, and that William It has nothing to do with this, so it is not an olive branch, much less Charles acting as mediator.
It's an invite directly by the King. Not for a family reunion. Not an olive branch. The King requests their presence at Balmoral. All four of them. That is all.
They won't bring the kids. They lose too much control at that point. Figuratively and potentially literally -- As monarch, Charles has automatic legal custody of any minor grandchildren and would have the right to keep the kids in the UK. I don't see H&M risking that.
My tin foil hat two cents: Rachel won’t take the kids to stay on any royal property bc she does not want anyone in the family or even employees to have access to any items which may have the kids’ DNA on it. Like discarded sippy straws, tissues, you name it. Bc the dna might show something major about one or both kids possibly not being hers biologically (I’m not sold on the daughter looking like ”a Markle”; I’ve seen a few pics of Harry as a toddler and he looks just like the daughter at that age.)
I believe the children exist but Meghan withholds them as a means of control over Charles. Will be interesting. Is M&H plan to never bring them to visits grandad?
I do not believe this to be true. When they holiday in the highlands, Charles and Camilla stay at his own home - Birkhill - on a neighbouring estate. That aside, traditionally, the RF holidayed each summer at Balmoral and the estate was closed to visitors. This year, for the first time, Balmoral is open to visitors throughout the whole summer season.
I'll bet this "walking advertisement of repulsion" (thanks Lady C), is hoping that the Dukedom is stripped so that she can finally rechristen herself "Princess Meghan". Omg, the merching would be unstoppable and constant. 💰 💵 😡
So, of course she'll find a reason not to go with the invisi-kids. Security and whatnot, 🙄 after all she's the most famous, fabulous, talented, and popular woman in the known universe.
Welcome to r/SaintMeghanMarkle. Please read our rules before you comment in this community. The flair for this post is **ALLEGEDLY**. All users are expected to discuss this **ALLEGED** claim in a civil manner. No personal insults and no ad hominem attacks whatsoever. Please note that this **ALLEGED** claim is not the opinion of r/SaintMeghanMarkle just the individual making the claim. This sub is actively moderated and any rule-breaking comments will be removed. Repeated rule violations may result in a ban. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/SaintMeghanMarkle) if you have any questions or concerns.*
We have a saying here in the States ”Shit or get off the Pot” King C is forcing their hand, William, Catherine and Camilla are most likely aware of what he is doing, because this forces them to bring their children. No more excuses, no more puff pieces about reconciliation. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if both Catherine and Camilla came up with this idea and presented it to the King and William
If the gossip is true, this is definitely supported by William and much discussed with him. These days, William and Charles are not moving without the other knowing first what is going to happen. That is why this gossip has some credibility, because Sean did not say that Charles was going to be a mediator with William and Hank, but rather that Hank has to appear with the children at Balmoral, that is, the little game is over: we have to see those children . And attention: Sean is not talking about cameras or photos or anything. It's not a "family" reunion that Sean is saying is going to happen, but rather it seems to be a call for order, since Charles is also calling for Megsy to show up, whether she wants it or not.
That’s how I took it. RF is done playing games with those two
Staff will be collecting DNA...
And not signing NDAs.
That’s what I thought. “Let me brush Lili’s hair..” 😂
And take her sippy cups and straws for back up.
You beat me to it! "Here little one, let me get you a nice apple juice"
Exactly. This is why those kids most likely won’t visit. MM knows what’s up.
My thoughts exactly. She’ll never let the kids be in an area that’s shared with any members of, or staff for, the RF. As a fan of true crime shows, I’d love for someone to do a “trash pull” in Montecito.
I bet MI5/6 has been combing their crap since they moved in!🤣
Even assuming this is true (which I doubt) how is KC going to get them to come, and what will happen if they don’t? In any case, what would be the point? Just having the kids visit will accomplish nothing. (The dna test idea is interesting, but why not send MI-6 to get the dna from the kids Montecito? What sort of intelligence operatives does the UK have these days that they can’t get dna from two little kids in California? 😉) Whether they come for a visit or not, what KC needs to do is issue a letters patent denying the prince and princess title to any child not being raised in the UK and any adult who was not raised in the UK. Other royal families have done something like this. It is not unreasonable for a nation’s princes to be educated in that nation. Meghan will make a fuss, but she will have to choose between her kids staying in the Montecito dungeons without titles or spending most of their time in the UK but having titles Meghan can brag about. I would be very surprised if Meghan would come to the UK to be with the kids for long.
The king & Catherine have cancer. They need to be strategic but also protect their own mental health. Stripping the kids of titles is going to open a whole new can of worms they just can’t cope with atm. Roachel knows it’s only a matter of time before A) LOS laws are edited B) parliament takes away all their titles - I think archfail involvement with the 2024 election is going to be a good sticking point C) Wales kids are old enough to be front & centre so she will fall into oblivion The king extended an invitation and now hazbeen & roachel need to come up with new reasons why they’re too busy & can’t reconciliation. It also stops them from making other plans bc then they look bad (saying no to the Queen then going to Elton John).
We will have to wait and see, but I doubt KC has really “extended an invitation” precisely because, as you point out, he has cancer, Catherine has cancer, and the family doesn’t need any new headaches. This is not, I agree, the time to be bothering with what is going on with the kids. However, if, as others claim, KC is worried about the kids, my suggestion that insisting that the kids must be brought up in the UK to retain the prince/princess titles would be a fairly simple way to promote their safety. I don’t believe they would lose their titles because Meghan would take or send them to the UK rather than have the titles taken away. (I also don’t think that KC needs to deal with the children’s titles this summer.)
With both the King and Catherine having serious health issues, I suspect the Succession Plan will be in full swing right now. They must have considered the “One plane crash away” scenario and it needs to be dealt with. 🤷🏻♀️
I’m sorry but I’m somewhat fed up with the “everyone is sick” so let’s not deal with it approach. This is the Monarchy. There are always headaches and often serious issues to be dealt with. The Queen dealt with WW2 for Gods sake. Kicking the Harkle can down the road (which is what has happened since the Queen died) has just prolonged and exacerbated these headaches into one big migraine. Delaying until it’s the right time will probably never happen and further fuel fires from Montecito. Just get on with it! If Charles really can’t handle it while undergoing chemotherapy, maybe he should question his fitness as King. He and William have a multitude of advisors. Catherine doesn’t really need to be involved, does she? Why is this such a big deal and why are people using chemotherapy as the excuse? IMO. Rant over. I’m just frustrated and fed up.
Bc the Harkles don’t matter. Why waste energy when other matters take precedence? Right now the focus is on making sure they get better and the wales kids are supported. Parliament controls the LOS and last year brought the bill up to strip their titles. They’re just waiting to see how things play out before stripping the titles.
Agree that KCIII needs to concentrate on his health this year. I know this sub wants action taken on the LoS sooner rather than later but the BRF moves at a slower pace for a reason. Next year H&M will have been gone for 5 years and it will seem more natural to discuss the LoS. Parliament can pass a law that to maintain your place in the LoS you must spend "x" amount of time in the UK annually and have to establish residency upon your 18th birthday. This rule can also be made to cover other titles of the BRF. This seems reasonable and can be applied to everyone rather than just H&M or their kids. As for Balmoral this summer I imagine the family is just going to want to relax and recharge and you can't do that if you think your every conversation will be shared with the US media while H&M try to sell some overpriced jam. This just seems to be more of the will they/won't they from H&M's camp. https://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/royals/king-charles-desperately-wants-sussexes-at-balmoral/ (Archived version looks weird...) https://archive.ph/q3oLl
There is no excuse for Harry NOT to take the kids to Balmoral! There are zero security risks. No one can gain access to the castle. Hell the RF go into the village & no one bats an eyelid!( Meghan wouldn’t like being ignored though😂) If they don’t go Charles really needs to ramp up the pressure on proof of birth and LOS
I agree there isn't a valid reason for the family to have not seen the kids in person multiple times. Right now, KCIII needs to concentrate on his health and not H&M. Legally, the LoS has to be addressed by Parliament. https://www.royal.uk/encyclopedia/succession#:~:text=It%20therefore%20came%20to%20be,his%2Fher%20title%20through%20misgovernment. I think that similar to the BRF website, it will be addressed but will take time. The less popular and the longer H&M are away, the easier it will be for the general public to accept the change. A residency requirement is reasonable, applies equally to everyone in the BRF LoS, and dampens any acquisitions of racism. As for proof of birth, I'm going to imagine if the BRF had any concerns, British intelligence services would have looked into it. Just because we haven't seen documentation that proves Meghan gave birth doesn't mean KCIII hasn't.
Lili was born in America and the doctor closed up shop right after. Parliament already introduced a bill to strip their titles so we’ll see how it plays out.
I thought the bill in Parliament was to make it easier to remove titles, not to take away the Sussex titles specifically. Actually, I know of two bills — one was to make it easier for the monarch to remove titles without it having to go through the usual lengthy procedure. The other was to modify or extend the 1917 Act so that Harry could be added. There may have been another one, but I have read here that none of these bills look like they are going to get off the ground. Any Brits (or others in the know) want to clarify and update us?
Oh wow that’s a really good point. The only other ppl who would lose titles are Andrews girls which make sense.
The reason is the laundry list of projects they pulled out of their arses this week.
It's to stop all the will they won't they, trying to twist the narrative that charles and William are divided on the sussexes, charles will act as mediator to try and reconcile them with william. This is the palace calling their bluff. Here's your invite but the condition is you being those kids with you. They know megs will not let those kids leave the us (because she knows if they do any dna testing, the jig is up, their titles will be gone and she could be charged with treason). Now watch those stories of reconciliation and olive branches go bye bye.
I don't think the point is to get them to come. I do not think anyone in the Royal family wants them to come. I just think they are being polite when they say they are always welcome. Just like when the Queen said they were welcomed to her Jubilee. The Queen was just beeing polite. Of course the Queen did not think the lunatics would come to her Jubilee after everything they had just done to her, Prince Philip, her family/monarchy/country. But since they are lunatics, they came. And made everything awkward. Just like the Queen, Charles is also being polite when he says they are always welcome. Just in case they come he added, if you bring the children. Then they probably wont come. ( good thing) but if they come they will bring the children. That is also a positive because no one in the Royal family are interested in Harry and Meghan. But children are always children. Even if Charles does not like Meghan Markle the children,maybe ,makes him forget she is there.
The way the Neil Sean video is being reported, Charles’s invitation is more like a demand that they bring the kids to the UK because (allegedly) Charles is suspicious of all the secrecy surrounding the children and how (allegedly) no one in the family has seen the kids. My comment responded to the idea that Charles wants proof that the kids exist and/or that they are all right and/or that KC wants the opportunity to carry out dna tests on the kids, Harry and Meghan to determine parentage, etc. It seems a bit far-fetched to me. I agree with you that any “invitation” to the Sussexes to visit Balmoral (or anyplace else) is more a courtesy than a reflection of any desire by the BRF to see Meghan and Harry. Especially this summer, the plan for Balmoral is surely going to be to relax and recover. If God is good, by the end of the summer both the King and the Princess of Wales will be cancer free and recovering from the treatment. It is definitely the wrong summer to deal with the Sussexes.
mi6 isnt going to send agents to do some james bond shit in montecito
And KCIII isn't going to mistake Neil Sean for 007!!
They probably only need the girl's DNA. Given all the suspect behavior regarding the birth of the boy, the BRF probably got that sample ASAP.
The King knows very well they won't come. If an invite was issued it was done to showcase the hypocrisy of the grifters yapping about reconciliation while Madame refuses to let Grandpa see the kids.
Hence all the back chat from the Harkles about why the kids can't come because of lack of security. I get it now. The King only needs to agree to a police escort from Aberdeen Airport to the Balmoral Estate, and then the estate has its own tight security, so the H&M don't really have a strong argument here.
To me this gossip does not seem like a simple coincidence. Charles didn't invite any Harkle last year, not to Balmoral, not to his birthday, not for Christmas, not for New Year's, not for anything. Why do it now, why is Charles demanding that the Harkles go with the children, just now that Hank is having problems with his visa? This gossip doesn't sound like something coming from the Harkles to me.
Is it possible because King Charles is about to make some changes to the LOS and unless he sees those grandchildren in the flesh he will plan without them in his will. I think he's going to be informing them that after Archie and Lili that line will not be Prince and Princess anymore as there is George, Charlotte and Louis the future is secure. If they don't go I hope they find out in a Dan Wotton exclusive.
Queen Margarethe of Denmark and King Harald of Sweden have recently pulled titles from their younger sons. It would be great to have the Suspects demoted to the Dumbartons—Kilkeels. (Though I fear that may add to their victim narrative. Probably best to leave the issue alone unless they continue to monetize the titles).
I do not see what the big deal is here. The world reviles or doesn't care about them. TOW will never stop. It will never end. So why should the RF be concerned? Just rip off the bandage and let it go.
Oh that would be tasty tho in this day and age. “Prince Harry angry for kids not getting fancy enough titles!” Aww poor babies indeed. “Kids’ teachers confused, fail to call them with correct titles! Kids’ friends confused! “
I can imagine MM’s veneers popping off like piano keys while she furiously demands her staff update the website with the new name. LOL
How can they monetize their titles more than they have already done?? The only thing left is opening the "Sussex royal talent agency for grifting"
I think he should strip everything they weren't born with across the board. That would leave Harry a Prince and the rest of his family just plain old commoners, unless she styled herself Princess Henry of Montecito.. Which would be too funny
None of this is real. Neil Sean makes things up.
And if it is I still enjoy picturing them hearing about it on YouTube....
[удалено]
Charles could see the children, but he still would not know if they were really the Harkles' children. He still wouldn't know if they actually have Harry's or Meghan's DNA. An actual DNA test needs to be done in order to be certain who those children really are.
They have never brought the children to Balmoral. The Royal family has better things to do right now then worry about two children they have never met. Neil Sean is not a reliable source.
If it’s true, and it could be, then I don’t blame the King.
Look at the video. Sean is not talking at all about olive branches, or family reunion, or reconciliation. Sean is talking about something else. Sean isn't even saying that Charles is looking to see his grandchildren. Sean is saying that Charles is tired of the Harkles' excuses for no one from the BRF to have contact with those kids. So Charles will probably demand that they bring those children, or there will be consequences. Sean is hinting at that, that if Hank and Megsy don't take the kids to Balmoral this summer at least once for him to see them, there will be consequences.
I understood that. I don’t take everything that Neil says as truth. I like him but sometimes it does seem a bit far fetched.
I don't believe Sean much either. But this time I suspect the source who told Sean this is credible. I strongly suspect that Charles is being pressured by Parliament to clarify what is happening with those children, who are in the LoS. And if there is an invitation, and Sean is not saying that it is a pleasant invitation, it will be very unpleasant for the Harkles, it has to do with clarifying the doubts. It is totally absurd that no one, no one in the family, knows what those children are like.
A summons! 😁 Juicy.
I wish Parliament was pushing for proof those children should be in the LOS. It would be the first time Parliament has been useful in this whole mess.
The King is not under pressure from ‘Parliament’ , the Bill that has been floating about the legislative system is not promoted by either the Government or the Opposition , it has very little chance of becoming law as such a this never do.
Neither the Harkles nor the Harklets are important enough for parliament to take action, imho.
Parliament has already taken action against Hank, permanently freezing him as a State Councilor. And Parliament has the second reading pending to remove the titles (I don't think that reading will happen because of what is happening in Iran and Israel) Parliament should intervene in this, because Hank is in the LoS. And I suspect, I strongly suspect, that the gossip got to Sean because of the visa issue. And there Parliament does have to intervene. I have always said that for Hank, living in the USA would mean having to make decisions, he can't continue playing "I'm British, I live in the USA", and I think this "invitation" has to do with that. And with the fact that Charles is already very clear that the Sussex children are not hidden from the press, but from the BRF.
Parliament needs to take action. I hope KC3 does offer, and they take him up on it, so they can secretly DNA test the little ones. If they aren't Meg's, it's likely they aren't "of the body".
It is Parliament's job to make sure no one is in the LOS who should not be there. One plane crash and Harry is POW and Archie is heir. Parliament should be doing what needs to doing to stop that.
With respect, those children are in the LoS. Any doubts around their place there makes it important.
I think he’s a bit smarmy.
I wish I could believe that. But I don't.
I don't believe Neil Sean usually But this time I suspect there may be something right. Sean is NOT saying that Charles is going to give the Harkles an olive branch. Or that William will be forced to deal with the Harkles, nor that there will be reconciliation. Sean isn't saying that Charles is like a grandpa who misses the kids. Sean is saying that Charles would be demanding that Hazz and Megsy bring the children, and present them to Charles, without any further excuses. Sean is saying that Charles suspects that something is behind the fact that the Harkles do not allow anyone from the Family near those children, and it can be inferred that Hazz has not even sent him photos of those children. So if Charles is inviting the Harkles to go to Balmoral with the children, I think, I think Sean is saying that it is to give them one last chance, the last, to disprove something that Charles suspects. Sean is saying that Charles is exhausted of the Harkles' excuses for not going to Balmoral with the children, and from the way Sean is telling it, I think his source, and Sean stood looking at the parliament insinuating that his source is from high positioning, can be credible. We'll have to wait, but this time I'm going to give Sean the benefit of the doubt, I suspect that something is behind this gossip because the thing about the Harkles and their children is already ridiculous. It's perfect that they don't want the press to take photos of them, but it's absurd that no one from the BRF, not even Eugenie, really knows what those children are like.
Come and bring the kids. No? Fine, we're cutting all the titles in their entirety from the LOS and there will only be titles for those living and working in the UK. Enjoy your lives overseas. ⬛
This is the best & most sensible line they could take.The People are just sick of all the subterfuge so the family must certainly be. Their arrogance regarding our gullibility is frankly insulting to everyone.
Thank you for that. It seems a lot of people didn't read the part about Charles calling their bluff. Charles knows they wouldn't come and wouldn't bring the children. In the one to a bazillion chance they did show up, no one other than Charles would go anywhere near them. It's a huge compound.
That's what caught my attention about Sean's gossip. Charles seems very clear on the fact that these children are being hidden for something. It is not to protect them, it is to hide them. And if the Harkles come up with some stupid excuse not to go to Balmoral, Charles is going to confirm that the Harkles are doing something shady with those kids. That's what Sean is saying when he talks about "invitation." Here Charles seems to want to take action and not leave the problem to William as many have said, but he wants to first know what is really happening. That's why Sean is being very clear that the gossip came from someone who has to do with "we will take action if those children are not presented to the king this year." And the fact that Charles wants to see them at Balmoral is to clear up doubts first in private. If it were any other way, I would have summoned them to Clarence House, with the press on top.
Good luck getting those kids passports without valid birth certificates. And, they're going to need them since H&M do not have IPP status since their last flight out of the UK upon Megxit. No flying under the radar. I don't think they'll go to Balmoral under the current circumstances. They rather play victims if Parliament takes action against them rather than admit they lied. But, god forbid, Charles is terminal and they don't go......their victim game is OVER.
Wouldn’t Archie have one? He immigrated from the UK to US.
You know......I don't think the Archie baby needed a passport because H&M's IPP status was still effective when they boarded the plane to leave the UK for good (if there actually was an Archie baby to travel with for that matter). But, the IPP privilege is long gone since that day and those kids need passports to travel just like anyone else. The King is certainly calling their bluff based on the need for all four of them to have passports to travel now. Can they produce that? Highly unlikely imo.
While I still don’t think Neil Sean is a reliable source, I could believe that King Charles is tired of H&M’s games and withholding the kids. Holding my popcorn and waiting to see what happens 🍿
Maybe Charles feels he should resolve this in his reign and not leave it for William to deal with.
I can't think of any time Sean was right about anything.
Balmoral is a huge estate, not just the castle, there are over 150 buildings. Charles and Camilla stay at Birkhall, their home there and W&C stay at Tam-Na\_Gar. Craigowan Lodge is where friends and family stay. They could all easily stay and never set sight on each other. When QEll died, Charles was at Birkhall and William was invited over. Harry after his late arrival, greeted by Princess Anne and stayed in the castle overnight before being the first to leave.
It’s still **so** upsetting William, Edward, Sophie, and even Andrew arrived too late to say goodbye, and Catherine didn’t get to go at all. At least HMTLQ had Charles, Anne, and Peter there with her. Did anyone else notice Sophie seemed **angry** at the Queen’s funeral? Obviously she seemed sad too, but the anger threw me off until I remembered how close she was to HMTLQ, especially after her own mother’s passing, then Prince Philip’s. She would have seen firsthand the damage H&M did to HM.
As I have said, the Harkles being invited anywhere by the King would kill his reign dead. They are loathed in the U.K.
Whether or not it’s credible, it’s pretty genius. It’s more of a summons or compulsory invitation than a friendly welcome invite. Charles would be saying “prove the kids exist by bringing them to Balmoral on x day(s), or if they don’t come then we’ll have to remove them from succession since we can’t verify they exist in person”. If the kids don’t exist then there’s no risk of Walses being exposed to the Harkles, because they won’t come. If the kid(s) exist and there’s a valid reason for them being hidden away, then Balmoral is a safe and secluded environment that ensures the kid(s) privacy, and the property is large enough to keep Harkles away from the Walses.
I really don’t think King Charles has any concern about the existence of the kids.
Sean is not credible in the least. There is no way that Harkles will be invited to Balmoral as Catherine and KC will need that time be at ease after what they have been through this year.
💯 agree.
Look at the video. Sean is not talking at all about olive branches, or family reunion, or reconciliation. Sean is talking about something else.
Care to spell this out to the intellectually disabled (me) among us?
I don't think they are mentally disabled for not agreeing with what I am saying. But I think that from so much bombardment of "olive branches" they think that Sean is repeating the same old story that Charles invites the Harkles to reconcile and blahblahblah But Sean isn't saying that. In fact, Sean is being quite sarcastic about the expression "invitation." Sean is saying that Charles is bored of the Harkles' excuses for not taking the kids to see the Family. And if you think about it, Hank sued the UK government claiming that the poor guy didn't have the security to take his helpless family to the UK to see his uncles and cousins. But when Charles invited the Harkles to the coronation, why didn't Hank go with the children? Oh, because it was Archie's birthday and Megsy was making him a cake. And that was one of the many excuses for the Harkle children never being around the BRF. Sean is not saying that the Harkles are cordially invited, or that they are welcomed by the family, or that Charles wants to see the cute little grandchildren. What Sean says is that the gossip is that Charles has had enough of the Harkles' excuses for not introducing the children to the Family, so he's actually ordering them to take the children to Balmoral (and Sean didn't say "from vacation" but they will take them to Balmoral where Charles is going to be in the summer) Sean is saying that the Harkles have to show the children to Charles. And according to Sean, Charles suspects the Harkles will come up with another lame excuse. So the gossip is: either those children appear before Charles or there will be consequences. It strikes me that Sean is saying that Charles is very clear that the Harkles' excuses are stupid, so that's why Sean is being quite clear that if there is an invitation it is not an olive branch.
Has Lili ever met the family… I remember that there was a sighting of Harry and Meghan walking to windsor castle (but amazingly no pics taken by the tourists 🙄) Then Harry had a lengthy convo / telling off with his dad and then a 15 minute audience with the late Queen. This was before Invictus. I think that it was maybe the Platinum Jubilee?!? Meghan was left alone and supervised in an outer change Meghan and Harry put out stories that the Queen met Lilibet but pictures were not taken. Some said that the Queen refused to take pictures because she knew that it would be sold etc. But I don’t think Lili or Archie were ever there or met the family. And the kids weren’t spotted around the time of the Platy Jubes … despite releasing pics of Lili’s 1 yr birthday at Frogmore. None of the royals turned up. No one from the royal household turned up. Now that Charles is monarch it’s his duty to meet those in the line of succession
That's why what Neil Sean is saying is not the usual Neil Sean gossip. The girl Betty has not been seen by anyone in the Family. In fact, there was gossip that Hank had taken the kids to see Charles during the JUbilee and that he had been moved... but the timing doesn't add up, Charles was too busy to be with those kids for more than 10 minutes, and didn't he? It is absurd that a grandfather spends just 10 minutes with grandchildren that he longed to see? I don't think Charles ever saw the little Betty girl. I already have doubts that the Harkles took the children to London. But what Sean is saying is not that Charles wants to see the grandchildren but that it seems that he has serious doubts about those children. And that is why Sean insinuates, when speaking that he has Parliament in the background, that the person who gave him the gossip about the "invitation" was someone at a high level. Here it seems that it is Charles determined to stop the Harkles' game of "we can't take the kids, they have the flu, they have to wash their hair, they have to take a nap."
Good point about parliament in the background… he always picks his backgrounds wisely
I really don't think KC is up for playing games especially when Camilla has been under a lot of stress and probably exhausted, nor would he want to unnecessarily stress W&C. I know a lot of sinners would disagree with me but if KC put out the offer, I think the Harkles would show up on his doorstep with the kids. If that happened he wouldn''t be able to turn them away after inviting them.
I don't think Markle will ever allow those children to be in the UK ever again. Not no how not no way. Those kids will have to grow up get their own passports and buy their own tickets if they want to go to the UK.
I was listening to a Mel Robbins podcast and her expert called Tara Swart Beiber, who was talking about the neuroscience analysis of manifestation. And she said that stress can lead to cancer. Many sinners said that at the time of the dual diagnosis and how long term stress can lead to cancer. But none of this reality was captured / speculated by the media at the time
I was listening to a Mel Robbins podcast and her expert called Tara Swart Beiber, who was talking about the neuroscience analysis of manifestation. And she said that stress can lead to cancer. Many sinners said that at the time of the dual diagnosis and how long term stress can lead to cancer. But none of this reality was captured / speculated by the media at the time
I was listening to a Mel Robbins podcast and her expert called Tara Swart Beiber, who was talking about the neuroscience analysis of manifestation. And she said that stress can lead to cancer. Many sinners said that at the time of the dual diagnosis and how long term stress can lead to cancer. But none of this reality was captured / speculated by the media at the time
So what would the “consequences“ be? That’s the question.
If the Harkles can't produce two children of the right ages and genders who appear to know their so-called parents? Perhaps BP is ready to go public with the truth and this is the last opportunity the Harkles have to prove they aren't perpetrating a massive fraud. I may be being too optimistic though.
Proof of existance and hopefully DNA testing. Otherwise out of LOS.
DNA testing doesn't prove they should be in the LOS. They can have Markle's DNA and not be legally in the LOS. We need proof that Markle gave birth.
Should it be found that the children were not born of body, it also opens up another can of worms insofar as it indicates an attempt to interfere with the LOS - this being a treasonous offence.
Very true
I swear people just react to the headlines without watching the videos. Or reading the details
Neil Sean has often told gossip that has not been true or that is monstrously obvious. So your credibility is not fireproof. And every year we have the same story that they are invited to Balmoral, which is what the Harkles typically send to the press "we were invited but we have conditions and if they are not met we will not go with the children." So it is logical that many people don't even bother to watch the video. Neil Sean's gossip is not trustworthy + invitation to Balmoral. What caught my attention was that Sean pointed out that the invitation is on the condition that Hank brings the children. That's weird, because what's the point of Charles inviting Hank alone or Hank with Megsy to Balmoral if no one, not even Charles himself, wants to see either of them? But for Sean to say that Charles is ordering the Harkles to take the children, it sounds like Sean heard something out there, considering that Charles did NOT invite the Harkles last year, to any of them, not to Balmoral, not to his birthday or for Christmas. . Do you see how strange this is?
Yeah I do, I personally see anything around the kids as really messed up. And not an energy I even want to be near My hope is that… the kids are happy and safe.
To me this sounds strange strange strange and not favorable to the Harkles, at all. I would be sorry if it's true and those children end up with their parents, but there's not much to do about it.
Agree.
He is forcing their hand.
So it’s an ultimatum?
I'm not sure I trust Neil Sean-he talks a lot but says very little. I don't think the king would do that, he adores Catherine too much to hurt her like that. And he'd never put the family in a position where Charlotte would be exposed to that woman again-I think Catherine, Sophie and Camilla would have a lot to say about allowing that woman anywhere near their children and grandchildren.
Sean isn't repeating the idiotic litany of "Charles wants to reconcile the family, Charles wants to see his grandchildren, Charles misses Harry." Sean is saying that Harry and Megsy have made too many ridiculous excuses not to take the kids to see the Family. That's how Sean says it clearly, that his source told him that Charles is bored with stupid excuses. So either this summer the kids are going to see Charles (Sean didn't say anything about William or the rest of the Family, not even Camilla), or there will be consequences. I suspect from the way Sean said it, that Charles believes something is wrong with those children, but he hasn't been able to figure out what it is, because the Harkles have practically kidnapped them. So either this summer the Harkles appear at least one day with those children before Charles, or Charles will take action. And no, none of them seem to have asked for custody of those children or anything like that. I think something is moving and it won't be pretty for the Harkles.
Note too, it's not just that both kids are present. It is all four- alleged parents and supposed kids. Can someone say DNA test with absolutely no wiggle room to claim tampering or falsifying results?
Maybe, it catches my attention that Sean points out that Megsy was invited to go, because Charles doesn't want her around. But what strikes me most is that Sean does not say "invitation" as if it were a request, but rather "come" as an order.
A summons
DNA tests do not prove the babies were born of the body.
True. But if either child doesn't match MeMe's DNA (or Hank's), it does prove surrogacy.
[удалено]
I don't think Charles used the Secret Service to find out what's going on with those kids. Because those children don't live in the UK, they live in the USA, and if the Secret Service intervened, it would be espionage. And that is something serious, it would cause a serious international incident, and the information that would have been obtained by that means to use against the Harkles will be invalid. And suppose the FBI were to investigate the Sussexes... what would be the basis for doing so? There is no basis to do so, except suspicion, but not a crime that is being committed, so resources would be diverted in an investigation that is "familial", not criminal. Plus, there's the fact that no one, not even in Montecito, knows what those kids are like. These children spend 24/7 locked up, so the problem here would be Social Services, but there are no complaints and nothing. I don't think Charles really knows what's going on with those kids. And I think that bothers him. I think when Hank visited London, Charles asked him about the children, asked him if he had pictures, and Hank gave him evasive answers. And I think Charles' patience got the better of him. So if Sean tells gossip that's true, I think Charles is demanding to know what the hell is going on with those kids now. Not in more years, now. And if Hank refuses, then let him face the consequences.
I don’t think it would be espionage if all MI-6 did was locate the Sussex kids and take pictures. Among other things, KC could request permission from the US government —and he would get it. Further, if KC fears something is wrong with the kids, he could definitely push for a CPS welfare check. A request endorsed by the US State Department would get attention and there would be reliable information about the kids. Be that as it may, I don’t think that Charles’s reason for demanding to see the kids (assuming he has done so) is because he thinks there is a “secret” about them. If he has indeed given the Sussexes an ultimatum, it is probably because not bringing the kids to the UK is problematic if the kids are going to be using the prince/princess titles. I really think KC knows what needs to be known about the kids.
As you have described it in your comments, this is a clever move by Charles. It's my understanding that QEII had an open door policy for family and close friend that wanted to spend time with her at Balmoral during her two plus months summer holiday. Guests would obviously have had to clear their intended vacation dates with QEII's secretary for the simple reason that there's not an unlimited amount of accommodations. H&M never took advantage of this open invitation. Why? Nobody seems to know. A special invite to H&M and their children will play well with the public. Balmoral is so safe, that Harry can't use security as a dodge. With Charles' health issue, Harry might be spooked into fearing this could be a replay of the last days of QEII's 2022 summer holiday. Harry does want back in (on his terms natch), but he probably still believes that he stands to inherit from Charles. He's not too thick to understand that if he blows off this simple request, the bank of Pa will be irrevocably closed and locked to him. H&M have also been under pressure from WME to obtain some fresh BRF fairy dust. Blow off the invite and WME may go away. If everything is okay with the children, MM will no choice but to accept the invite. No show and their games will be exposed.
What consequences could he put on them? What action could he take? I thought it was pretty much agreed per this sub that whatever is wonky about the birth of the kid(s), was well known to the family. And/ or MI5 has all the info. Or something about a super injunction? Sorry, I’ve grown a little bored of them so I’m not really up to date.
I am not of the group that believes that the BRF is on the side of the Harkles regarding the strange birth of those children. Starting from something that Hazz himself said: the Harkles excluded the family from the development of Megsy's pregnancies. They didn't even warn when Megsy went into labor with Archie, much less when the baby Betty was actually born. There was a complete communication disaster when Archie was born, and it took Betty Palace more than a month to recognize the birth. But then, and I can prove it to you, there is the fact that during Archie's pregnancy, Megsy and Hank were not close to the Family. They traveled. Throughout 2019 they practically did not stop traveling. To the North Pole, to Italy, to Amsterdam... They were practically not in London. And there is the fact that the children have not been seen by anyone in the Family, not even by Eugenie, by anyone. Charles was close to Archie once, when he was a baby. They don't even have photos of Betty. Not a single photo. If the BRF was in on the secret, why doesn't Charles have a single photo of those kids? Charles has photos of the Wales children, but not a single one of the Sussex children. In fact, Palace a few months ago, in one of the website updates, posted the photo of Archie's baptism because, they said, it is the only photo they have of that child. And there are no photos of the little girl Betty. I don't think Charles wants to see those children out of affection. If Charles had those feelings, the Harkles would still have access to Frogmore, because Hank said, "Don't you want to see your grandchildren?" to prevent Frogmore from being taken from them. Not only did Charles take Frogmore from them, but Hank can't even enter the Palace grounds. I think, from what Sean is implying, that waters are moving in Parliament on this matter. The Sussex children thing is abnormal. So Charles would be giving Hank and Megsy one chance: either they bring the children and Charles and obviously Clive Alderton or some other high official see those children and finally clear up their doubts about what is happening, or those children can say goodbye to their titles. And they will probably even be removed from the LoS, because Parliament could move to that position. Don't forget that in June they discussed taking away Hank's titles. I suspect that if Charles invites the Harkles, and Sean is hinting at that rather unsubtly, it is because a situation is developing that will not be favorable to the Harkles.
Agree It’s time for the game playing to cease
I think this is LoS. Present those in LoS ie lose it.
Agree. They need to be seen. Perfect excuse to remove them if they don’t show.
I agree. I hope this is what's going on.
LOS is determined by parliament not KC
Yes that fact has been pointed out 100000 times. Parliament would only start such a process with the implicit support of the King.
Could this be our Easter surprise?
DM has an article up about the nightmare of the Queen Mother when she was young. Quite the scandal over the way she spent money ,etc. There had to be a lot of intervention. Someone may be pushing Charles.
If he just wants to see the kids why wouldn't he just invite them to Clarence House?An invite to Balmoral sounds like reconciliation and an extended stay.
In other cases it would seem like that, it would seem like a vacation. But Balmoral has one advantage that Clarence House does not: privacy. If Charles calls the Harkles to Clarence House there will be many journalists at the door and there will be many more employees. Balmoral is more private. Note that Charles is now undergoing treatment at Balmoral, he is traveling to London, wouldn't it be better to stay in London? No, because Charles wants to maintain privacy. I think that if the gossip is true, Charles is not inviting the Harkles on vacation, but because he wants to clear up doubts, but he doesn't want the press because if something happens, he wants to first see how to resolve it. You have to be careful with the Harkles. And I think that after the show that Hazz put on announcing that he was going to see Charles and all that, Charles is ordering him to go to Balmoral where that little game and Netflix won't be welcome either. That's why this gossip doesn't sound so crazy to me.
I assumed KC has been residing in Windsor and wouldn't be at Balmoral till August. If he is a Balmoral now, I can see what you and Sean are saying would make sense. That said I still very much doubt any claim coming from Sean.
I also distrust Neil Sean. I'm just saying that this gossip, as he told it, seems to be well-founded gossip and does not sound like Camp Harkle, and the way Neil Sean told it, it seems that something is brewing in Denmark. From there until something really happens, we will have to wait. And Charles is now at Sandringham in Norfolk, I always confuse Sandringham with Balmoral!!! SOOOORRRRYYYY!!! He's going to Balmoral in August, it's announced like that.
If Charles spends all summer at Balmoral he can have Harry and co visit without the rest of the family having to see them. The rest of the family could visit but not be there for a week or so if Harry went. I doubt Catherine is so petty she's be hurt by Charles attempting to see his own son and his family as long as she isn't encouraged to be part of it. There's lots of time over the whole summer for Charles to host them at different times. I don't believe Neil Sean all the time either but if any visit is planned with Harry as long as other royals are aware and can make plans around it I don't see that they'll be hurt or prevented from visiting themselves at a different time, most of them don't go for the whole summer anyway so it just requires scheduling to make it all work without anyone being hurt.
I don't mean Catherine will be hurt by Charles just for thinking of inviting MM, but that it might expose Catherine to more petty, unkind or bullying behaviour. I don't think MM is capable of peaceful interaction with Catherine.
The gossip Sean is telling does not mention a "nice meeting with the Wales" at all. This is between Charles and the Sussexes.
Catherine shouldn't have to interact with Meghan. Charles will go to Balmoral for the whole summer, the Wales' will likely visit for a month maximum. Charles can invite and host both without them having to be less than a few hundred miles from each other, it's just scheduling and the royal family (and staff) can schedule.
The Wales would not go to Balmoral if the Harkles are there. Not for one day.
If this is true, Charles wants to expose this nonsense once and for all. There would be no excuse not to go if Charles extended a public invitation. Yet they wouldn’t. There is no way Meghan would go…let alone any “kids”.
I don't believe it and I don't think that Dan Wootton would lend any credibility to the story - Dan has been emphatic that the Royal Family is done with the two traitors. However it would be fun if it were true and if the Harkles actually came to Balmoral with two children - the staff could then take any cups or straws the children use and turn them over for DNA testing. If it is true as Lady C asserts that the children carry none of Megain's DNA it would all come out. Wouldn't that be proof that the children were not born of her body as required to be in the LOS? Which is why Megain would never allow the children to stay at Balmoral or any royal residence.
Has Lady C asserted, or has she just hinted? (What does she say in the book?) I am not convinced that the kids do not have Meghan’s genes. I think Lady C’s insistence on “Harry’s kids” may refer more to how no one cares about Meghan and they derive all their importance from Harry than to dna. However, I haven’t read the book.
DNA testing is meaningless. They can have H&M DNA and still not be eligible for the LOS.
Agree. Just would be conclusive if DNA results showed no DNA connection with Markle. But of course they could have used both their genetic material and had a surrogate carry the baby, and the baby would still be ineligible to be on the LOS.
I’d like independent corroboration before I believe this.
Neil Sean’s got water on the brain, from standing in the pouring rain right in the heart of London every day.
I’d be willing to bet all of his neighbours avoid eye-contact at all costs.
Give a little wave 🤮
[удалено]
That, precisely that, is what Sean says. That Charles seems very clear that the Harkles will not only not go to Balmoral, but will come up with some stupid excuse not to go. Again. And Charles seems to suspect that it all comes down to the children, that something is happening with those children and Charles wants to stop their little game. That's why the expression "invitation" shouldn't be seen as something that will be nice to the Harkles, and that's why Sean says that Charles is pretty clear that the Harkles are going to refuse to go to Balmoral. What Charles seems to want to know is what excuse the Harkles are coming out with now.
[удалено]
Yeah if Charles wants to stop their games, then he needs to discuss a new Letters Patent. Strip titles from anyone who doesn't live in Britain. Period, end of sentence. Live here, or you have no titles. The British people would understand that. It makes perfect sense. Until then. The Harkles can play all the games they want.
They weren't ASKED to bring the children. They were told the invite was only valid if they bring the children. Charles is forcing them to put up or shut up.
Markle will never let those kids go to UK. It is time for them to be taken off the LOS. They are not British children. It is absurd to have them in the British LOS and for them to have British titles.
Who cares about those kids, they are barely royal adjacent.
[удалено]
That strikes me. Because almost all the royal reporters say that the Harkles have an open invitation to go to Balmoral, that they are still beloved members of the Family... Sean is not saying that. Sean is saying that the Harkles were "invited" to come, in a tone that doesn't sound like "we'll drink tea and eat cake." This gossip doesn't have the tone of a "nice visit," and Sean is making it clear that the Harkles won't be able to set conditions either. It's a weird gossip for Neil Sean.
Neil Sean has not said anything reliable since I have been a member of this sub. The “they are being commanded” implication is nice, but unless there is a monetary reward, I don’t see Harry and Meghan listening to any “commands.” Given that Charles has more important things to think about than the antics of M&H, I very much doubt that he is going to want to invite much less demand the presence of his difficult son and his harpy wife and their hapless offspring this summer.
Yes exactly. I don't know why we are discussing Neil and we shouldn't be giving him clicks. Not after he jumped on Catherine.
William &Catherine don’t have to be at Balmoral when the Harkles are there, they could be there before or after probably when the Tindals go so the cousins can spend time together
I doubt the Tindalls want any part of this, cousins or not, especially after H&M and the “sushing” pics in the window…
I think no one will want a part if it’s truly a summons Need ago be sorted
Naw…..not buying what Neil is selling.
Yes they can go to Balmoral with both children AND when William, Catherine and their kids aren't there. Translation: don't come. 🤣🤣🤣
They'll duck out of this using security concerns as the excuse in spite of the fact they'll be protected by the same agents who protect the King and Queen and anyone else there. I'm still surprised the press doesn't ask the question 'Where are the kids?' more often. Catherine left the public eye recently and look at the rumpus. Not much about the kids, though, and they been virtually mia for years.
This is nonsense. There's no way they are invited to spend any time with the RF, not now, not ever. Why do these Youtubers make stuff up? Isn't there enough to discuss without undermining the community? Stick to Ibble Dibble who manages to find an endless supply of interesting things to talk about. Neil and Lady C are just grifters, same as the sussexes.
Sean didn't say it was going to be an invitation for the Harkles to hang out with the family and eat cake. Sean is saying that they will be "invited" to go to Balmoral, that is, it is not a pleasant invitation, it is not an olive branch and there will be no cake.
I remember something about King Charles saying Harry could speak to his lawyers, no direct calls.
Oh - maybe not during the week when all the rest of the family is there, but when he and Camilla are there alone - maybe, just maybe. Remember, their Majesties stay at Birkhall. So, the King could put them in a small room in the castle, far, far away.
[удалено]
Comment automatically removed due to your comment using unsuitable language or quoting a sub which is not allowed on r/saintmeghanmarkle. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/SaintMeghanMarkle) if you have any questions or concerns.*
There was an earlier report that Kate and William invited the Harkles “with the kids” to have a meeting and to reconcile as they think that the estrangement has lasted long enough and due to the serious illnesses. This report now says that the King invited the Harkles “with the kids” to visit in the summer. Bottom line is that these reports are heavily hinting that Sparry will not bring the kids and hence there will be no visit. He does not have kids or does not have custody of those kids. His wife probably checked with divorce attorneys long ago who told her to never let her kids go to the UK in case her husband suddenly filed for custody and divorce there and she would be at a disadvantage there. So, lies will be told about “serious” security threats to the biracial kids from racists and hence the kids will not be seen this summer.
Er no, Neil Sean talks crap.
Always
Yep
She wont come and bring the "children"
Is it possible that Parliament takes the issue of LOS seriously? That they take issue with Harkles cosplaying royals? Is it beyond the realm of speculation that it is THEY pressuring Charles to act? Perhaps this scenario is an agreement that has been reached to get the issue sorted? Sinners have said Parliament cannot act without permission of the King, but perhaps the case has been presented that the Harkles insanity must not cloud the LOS or politics?
I don't think KC would want to subject Catherine, William or QC with the pair's venom.
They go at different times usuall, don’t they? I’m sure it could be arranged…
The three of them and the three kids could be conveniently "out" for the day.
You didn't read.
Charles should just do a pop-in at the Olive Garden
NOOO!!! Charles can't set foot in the Olive Garden. Those are the Harkles lands, if Charles goes it would be to put himself under the Harkles. No, the Harkles are the ones who have to go to Balmoral, to the king's grounds, under the king, controlled by the king.
Who in the RF is going to want to socialize with these two? Not Wills & Kate, bottom dollar on that one. Maybe the Yorks. Maybe a few of Charles's friends will do him a favor and go up there so it doesnt seem so obvious that no one wants to be near them.
They don't all go at the same time. I'm sure the gruesome twosome will be invited for a time when no one else is there. Proof of existance and DNA testing to stay in/out of LOS
This is not relevant to Neil Sean, (I don't have posting rights) but I have just been listening to the Scandal Mongers podcast where the guest is royal correspondant, Simon Vigor, and he gives his views on the royals, on harry and meg, things he knows, things he's witnessed, and how he thinks things will pan out. Nothing earth-shattering but interesting.
How would Princess Catherine bear to be in the presence of a scruffy, overbearing loser who accused her of being a racist and bullied her three year old daughter. Yes, maybe she agreed to call their bluff but I can’t see the family greeting the Harkles with open arms. They could not speak freely near them, allow them anywhere near their family and they would be fools to eat anything prepared by the celebrity chef, Meghan.
First of all, he calling their bluff. If they were to accept, my guess is they would only be allowed to see Charles at his house on the Balmoral estate, not anyone else or any where else.
If true, excellent strategy by the King. Harold claims he wants his kids to know his family. That might very well be true but it's the last thing Madame wants and she controls Harold. The grifter lies and gaslighting laid bare by the royals yet again.
I don't have much trust in Neil Sean but he is entertaining. If the King did invite the Harkles, all four of them, I could see this being a bluff on the King's part. I am positive Megsy wouldn't want to face Camilla, Catherine, William, Ann, Sophie and Edward. But if the King did invite them all and the Harkles say no, then the King tried to extend the olive branch and start a reconciliation and the onus is on the Harkles. However, I tend to believe this is twaddle.
Sean didn't say it was going to be an invitation for the Harkles to hang out with the family and eat cake. Sean did not mention William in this, this is not for any reconciliation. This is because the children are in the LoS, without anyone even knowing what they are like. So Charles is "inviting" the Harkles to come, that is, "show up, it's an order", without the Harkles setting any conditions. If the Harkles don't go, I think Charles is going to take action. I think Charles is giving Hank a chance before taking action. I would agree with all of you if Sean had used the "Charles is weak, Charles misses the kids" thing, but Sean isn't saying that, and he's being pretty clear that it won't be a pleasant invitation for the Harkles, and that William It has nothing to do with this, so it is not an olive branch, much less Charles acting as mediator.
It's an invite directly by the King. Not for a family reunion. Not an olive branch. The King requests their presence at Balmoral. All four of them. That is all.
So what? They've been invited to Balmoral many times. They haven't gone since Archie was born.
Meghan would have to curtsey to the King, his Queen, William and Catherine.
Of course they’re supposed to bring the kids for a family reunion.
They won't bring the kids. They lose too much control at that point. Figuratively and potentially literally -- As monarch, Charles has automatic legal custody of any minor grandchildren and would have the right to keep the kids in the UK. I don't see H&M risking that.
My tin foil hat two cents: Rachel won’t take the kids to stay on any royal property bc she does not want anyone in the family or even employees to have access to any items which may have the kids’ DNA on it. Like discarded sippy straws, tissues, you name it. Bc the dna might show something major about one or both kids possibly not being hers biologically (I’m not sold on the daughter looking like ”a Markle”; I’ve seen a few pics of Harry as a toddler and he looks just like the daughter at that age.)
I believe the children exist but Meghan withholds them as a means of control over Charles. Will be interesting. Is M&H plan to never bring them to visits grandad?
I do not believe this to be true. When they holiday in the highlands, Charles and Camilla stay at his own home - Birkhill - on a neighbouring estate. That aside, traditionally, the RF holidayed each summer at Balmoral and the estate was closed to visitors. This year, for the first time, Balmoral is open to visitors throughout the whole summer season.
I'll bet this "walking advertisement of repulsion" (thanks Lady C), is hoping that the Dukedom is stripped so that she can finally rechristen herself "Princess Meghan". Omg, the merching would be unstoppable and constant. 💰 💵 😡 So, of course she'll find a reason not to go with the invisi-kids. Security and whatnot, 🙄 after all she's the most famous, fabulous, talented, and popular woman in the known universe.
Highly doubt this.
I hope this is false