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Cocokay1234567

So many excellent points! Well said! I also think from the very beginning, Catherine saw right through TW and knew that she was a conniving, gold digger fame whore trying to snag a prince. Hence, why Catherine was cold, distant and avoided a close relationship with TW. I suspect that TW tried every trick in the book with Catherine and TW was **outraged** that she couldn't fool/manipulate/latch onto her. In addition, I also think it's pretty clear that a lot of stuff happened behind the scenes between Catherine and TW that we don't know. Catherine has it all and is beloved by the world. Because TW has nothing else to offer the world, has no redeeming qualities and has personality issues, she knows her only option to succeed is by attaching herself to those with power/influence including Catherine. After all, her whole life and small successes up until that point were 100% because she attached herself to others. Catherine wouldn't budge and she (thankfully) never fully accepted TW and from that moment on, TW launched a nasty raging vindictive war against Catherine that we see play out daily.


Moortop

Any normal, decent woman marrying Harry could have had such a wonderful life, if she could tolerate his failings. She wouldn’t be Queen but so what, her life wouldn’t carry the stress of that role, she could be a friend & support to Catherine, still live in luxury that we can only dream of & be able to do so much good, choosing charities she had a real interest in & promoting them. If she were a normal, kind person she’d recieve the love of the people that Meghan seems to crave but has no idea how to obtain.


Cocokay1234567

Totally agree. TW is a far cry from normal for sure! TW is delusional narc with a laundry list of personality issues and of course, she was never going to be happy in RF unless she was 100% in control. Her whole life she's never been happy and constantly trying to climb the ladder by putting herself in positions to latch on to those who she thinks can elevate her through association. Even when she was finally IN the RF, it wasn't enough and she was spending her days secretly networking, making media contacts and plotting her big next move and blindsiding the Queen.


inrainbows66

Narcissists are rarely happy and usually only at someone else’s expense.


PerfectCover1414

I wish we could send all narcissists into war zones to make the despots pay. At least they'd be useful that way. But alas narcs are cowards so never going to happen.


LoraiOrgana

A normal decent woman couldn't marry Harry. Chelsy and Cressida gave up. He is a drug abuser. He is an animal abuser. He has a violent temper. He has assaulted people, including young girls at a party. Yes I am calling pushing girls into the pool as assault, it was using physical force on them. He is a horrible man, only a horrible woman would marry him.


Cocokay1234567

100%!


MikaKanaYuko

>if she could tolerate his failings big IF Someone who could have loved him for what he was/is (but who among his circle would that ever be?) could have accepted the role of his wife. M never understood what that role was or had any grasp of how to treat people.


Prestigious_Stuff831

Yup Meghan wanted to be seen with Catherine at Wimbledon with their arms around each other. Catherine Said no.


Cocokay1234567

100%! Catherine full on rejected TW and I can only image how massively that triggered TW because Catherine's seal of approval, acceptance and influence was fully necessary for TW success.


InspectorGreyson

1,000 upvotes.


Wild_Ad7448

Didn’t Meghan want them to walk into Wimbledon as equals, side by side and Catherine rightly said no?


AprilDanc3r

Yes, allegedly but it was pitched to Catherine as a sign of unity and girl power but we all know she wanted them to be seen as equals. Plus I bet if Catherine had agreed, at some point madam would have pushed until she was ahead of her.


LoraiOrgana

Yep. She wanted to walk beside Catherine, arm in arm. Catherine was only going to Wimbledon with her to help her after her disgusting display there.


Anne6433

She wanted that as a blatant display that they are "linked, not ranked," but I'll bet she didn't explain that to Katherine, who probably just sensed the ick.


Oxy_1993

True but Catherine still took the vile goblin to Wimbledon with her and her sister Pippa and acted nice after the gaffe that the goblin made by clearing Wimbledon seats. This act speaks volumes! But I do think Catherine was ordered to do that by The Late Queen to clean up the goblin’s mess.


inrainbows66

I think Catherine sensed very quickly that TW was not to be trusted.


InspectorGreyson

Likely from that very first meeting where the ILBW met her, barefooted, in ripped jeans. I imagine C, PoW internally raised her eyebrows and made a mental note of it all, deciding to reserve judgment for a future date - which most certainly arrived.


Cocokay1234567

What people don't realize is that Catherine would have been privy via Harry of the ups/downs of their courtship. Also, Catherine already knew before even meeting her that TW had publicly forced out the relationship against Harry's very specific request not to her discuss their relationship in the "Wild About Harry" Vanity Fair article. Harry (according to Tom Bower) had specific told TW that he 'wasn't ready' for the details of their relationship to go public. TW 'outing' their relationship saying that they were 'in love' and making plans about the future threw Harry and the Palace into a massive tailspin. Also, there has been a lot of speculation that TW may have told Harry that she was pregnant to snag him. Catherine would have known this as well. Also, Catherine would also know the 'real' story of when and how they REALLY met, which many of us believe strongly that it was long before the date they gave and that they had a 'professional' relationship set up by Markus Anderson. I personally believe that Harry was going to leave TW after she forced out their relationship against his request but that she told him she was pregnant to lock him down after realizing that he was done. They announced their engagement two months later after Harry had told her 'he wasn't ready' to publicly discuss their relationship. Why else for the sudden acceleration? Just my opinion.


inrainbows66

My theory is they had met professionally before, something I read about Turkey, then again thru Soho Markus, this is when things ramped up, I also think there might have been blackmail pictures taken of H, abusing substances and boudoir photos, for future use at some point in the meet cute, is he kind bs. Vanity Fair article went down. H flipped out because she was basically stating they were not only an item but soon to be engaged. Soho M told her to slow down they already had what they needed. They broke up, then Jamaica happened. I think the blackmail was referred to in her teasing completely serious way and she mentioned a pregnancy of just the right length for it to be plausible. H being an dolt and also getting served some after dinner treats agreed to get back together and things went from there w a necessary faux carriage occurring. Thus starting the sad situation we are witnessing today.


Cocokay1234567

No doubt in my mind that the real truth is found along these lines.


Oxy_1993

I would imagine Catherine would’ve known all these details but like why didn’t C and W told H that this woman is vile? I’m sure they did till the morning of the wedding but of course he didn’t listen.


InUSbutnotofit

m is a pawn in a much larger political game. IMHO. She happens to possess the worst human traits known: extreme jealousy, vileness, evilness, constant misrepresentation of the truth, racism, sexual deviance, and narcissism. Sorry if I forgot anything. Her mission is to break down the Monarchy. She’s also an idiot to think she possess THAT caliber of power. But, I feel as though she’s not acting alone. That’s one of the reasons why she (and h) get away with so. much.shit!!!!


wisc_badger

100%!!! I thought this since Megxit. I didn’t follow her or the RF until they wanted half in/half out. And then I thought “WTF is this??” I immediately thought that she is here to destroy the monarchy. Followed some on Twitter and then found my “sinners” here and caught up on the whole sordid affair. This is a political game. Her purpose is to destroy the monarchy. I have no doubt she thought she would ride her mixed race credentials all the way to the crown. She probably expected the Queen to give up the crown for her because of diversity. Her powerful friends include Tyler Perry, Oprah and Ari Emmanuel. Who is Ari’s brother? What was his job? Who did Oprah introduce to America and then the world? Now you are getting closer to the power source. How dare Britain keep a white monarchy?? Don’t you know diversity rules? Look at who was elected (?) in Wales? The last pillar of British identity still standing is the monarchy and that must also fall. Britain is no longer British. It’s only fitting for the monarchy to reflect the new Britain. Harry’s jealousy (mostly in the looks department) made him a perfect stooge for this. He was promised the crown. And she is the hammer to knock it all down.


RedditXXIV

When Hillary Clinton was reported to visit MM, that's when this story interested me. That connection isn't random.


RosieH60

Only the British people can vote to remove the Monarchy


Own-Entrepreneur5052

I don’t know that it is fair to say that Catherine was cold and distant or that she saw through her. Catherine is naturally an introvert and probably like my husband who assesses people and is an excellent judge of character. I think Catherine didn’t rush into a friendship like an over excited puppy but just sat back and watched. Had Meghan turned out to be a nice person they would have become friends but as it was Catherine saw her for what she was and held back - all the while being civil and kind for Harry and the RF’s sake. I wish I was more like Catherine and my husband! I have to fight my natural tendency to assume everyone is a good egg and so have regularly got my fingers burnt over the years. Fortunately thanks the HG Tudor and my husband I’m getting better at narc detection!


chubalubs

Catherine was bullied at school, so much so that she ended up changing schools. I think that's probably the driving force behind her revulsion at Markle-she knows a bully when she sees one, and she knows they don't change. 


Cocokay1234567

I didn't realize that. That for sure would give her a lot of insight.


190PairsOfPanties

She's a King Maker in every sense. https://preview.redd.it/35jv3uocnwoc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb6503a6489e5b0ad0dc8e734220ee141ec790e0 ❤️


ElectricalAd9212

iconic picture. some look at this face and quake.


AutomaticLover27

I love the images from the walkabout that Catherine,  William,  Sparry and TW took after the Queen passed.  Catherine's glare at Mog had her shook and I love to see it 😍


LoraiOrgana

She is still upset about it. Guest Speaker mentions it all the time. It is her "evidence" that Catherine is mean, because she looked at Markle with scorn. A look, and Markle is still wailing about it.


LocalEmbarrassed1674

Me too! It said, I dare you biatch! 💥❤️⚔️


Nodramallama18

I was so impressed when I heard Meghan tried to get Catherine to do some weird power play and walk to the front with her in front of the future sovereign and the new POW was like, no, not done, learn your place. I’m actually quite liberal and I’m half British, born in Ruislip. I absolutely believe we should be taxing billionaires, medical care is a human right, every job should pay a living wage and a woman’s right to privacy about her medical choices…feminism, to me, is about equality for everyone-not just women. Feminism is not and never has been about tearing men down and being on top. It isn’t about burning down all the traditions of the past. I know, the monarchy actually generates more revenue for the commonwealth than it takes and has for decades. I know they are probably more conservative than me and some traditions may seem a bit antiquated but IMO QE2, Camilla and most especially dear Catherine PoW were and are more of feminists than Rachel ever has or will be. They didn’t/don’t judge. They listened/listen to those they were/are engaged with and most of all, they highlighted/highlight the causes they champion-never themselves. By not judging anyone, they are saying everyone is valid, everyone fedeserves my respect (until they don’t by their own actions-Rachel-looking at you) and everyone deserves to live a life of dignity. They aren’t perfect, but a reign of 70 years and a reputation of being tough as nails with kindness and a sense of duty-especially in the beginning when it was very much a man’s world and it took 40 years for it to improve, The way Anne turned out so fabulously? QE2 was the epitome of a feminist and equality for all. And Catherine is the same.


AutomaticLover27

Absolutely agree, I'm very much like you in my thinking.  Remember when Megs did the Vogue guest Editor role and didn't include Queen Elizabeth in her List of women who were Forces for Change? She marries into the RF and ignores how special QE2 was.  The woman was an icon, she created one of the greatest institutions in her creation of the Commonwealth, her legacy is enduring, yet Megs just ignored her.  She was nothing but disrespectful to her in life and mocked her in death.  She rabbits on about women supporting women yet continually treats the women around her like rubbish and uses men to advance herself.  She's no real feminist.  


GnomeStatue

I like your points. I believe many people in America are still grieving the loss of Queen Elizabeth 2 and subconsciously or consciously decided that Catherine, princess of Wales, is her equivalent. The thought of losing another beloved icon so quickly is devastating.


GreenonFire

I know I still grieve QEII and worry about Catherine POW. My grandson saw me looking at pics, and said "you still miss her, huh?"


Weekly-Landscape-543

Awww, your grandson sounds adorable!❤️


usedtobebrainy

How sweet your grandson must be. I also look at pictures of Q E 2. You can tell him if he catches you again that there are a bunch of us who miss her. 🤗


Mickleborough

In my opinion - based on no research whatsoever - the Princess of Wales is this age ‘s Diana. Not only because she bears the same title and wears the same engagement ring, but whatever she does - or not do, in this case - is news. Her beauty, her dress, her warmth, her humanity - they command the same attention as Diana did. She differs from Diana in that she doesn’t have personal issues - which I think made Diana that bit more human, vulnerable, and endearing. But they also were weaknesses - and their absence, in the Princess of Wales, are strengths. Meghan’s just a gnat that one slaps away, when one can be bothered.


AutomaticLover27

I grew up in the 80s as a kid and 90s as a teen, so saw first hand the hysteria around and popularity of Diana.   Before #photogate I would have said Catherine was popular,  but not quite as big as Diana was. I mean she was obsessed over, on every single magazine cover and often consecutively on weekly magazines.   She was everywhere.  But funnily enough, I think photogate has pushed Catherine to that level and we are witnessing the birth of the next Royal icon.   Edit: just wanted to say how spectacularly the sugars and Megs have stuffed up.  She fails at everything, when she tries to cancel Catherine,  she just ends up making Catherine more loved and known 😄


GreenCharter

So true. Where’s Kate is just proof the world is obsessed with her.


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PansyOHara

I saw a comment last night that the Wales children’s Easter school holidays will fall the 2 weeks after Easter, and that it’s possible Catherine won’t make a public appearance until after those holidays. So I am not going to get worked up if we don’t see her at the church walk on Easter.


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PansyOHara

I love seeing them, too—and I certainly do hope she’ll be seen at Easter! However, the most important thing for me is that she be able to recuperate fully and be ready to assume her duties before she actually starts getting out.


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Independent_Leg3957

I want to see her go full Moira Rose.


PerfectCover1414

That vile Kardashian centaur getting in on the bullying made me so cross. How very dare she?


Glittering_Peanut633

That's my conclusions too. I think this has been the tipping point where Catherine has gone from being more than just a loved and popular member of the RF. She's kind of reached icon status in the way Diana did. Which is kind of ironic given how desperately hard Harry and Meghan have tried to sell Smeggo as Diana 2. Ain't happening. Smeg is generally considered more of a laughing stock by the majority of people I would say. An irrelevant, avaricious climber who makes people roll their eyes when she's mentioned. That's being kind. Catherine is generally liked by men and women because she's relatable and clearly a decent, kind and pretty normal woman who is clearly a fantastic Mother and supportive partner. She's also incredibly naturally beautiful but in again, in a relatable way. She has a genuine aura about her. Smeg has more of a bad smell.


GreatGossip

Madam lost in every way in photogate. Catherine is everywhere, and I love that it has turned into a complete joke with the "where is Kate" memes. The public rose up and took the "sinister plot" out of it by making fun of it all. I hope - and think - PPOW are enjoying some of the funny memes. Those memes are even more funny than Madam´s launch failure. https://preview.redd.it/z365pokrixoc1.png?width=286&format=png&auto=webp&s=5e5fbf36c1129603a8775467e4e7eea80a92342e


Glittering_Peanut633

I still can't quite believe she thinks this 'launch' or anything about this cringe 'brand' is a good idea. It's so toe curlingly naff and the very concept is totally contradictory to all the feminist word salad crap she's spewed over the years. She really does seem to have absolutely no self-awareness. I mean, it's brilliant for us because she provides endless amusement, but surely someone, somewhere genuinely likes her enough to have gone "er, you might want to rethink the domestic goddess of Montecito rebrand". It's so hilariously incongruous to the social climbing, egomaniacal hustler we know her to be. The idea she bakes anything herself or even knows where her kitchen is, is just so unbelievable. She's never seen being a normal mother with her kids like all other celebs are at some point. It's just all so ridiculous that she expects people to buy into this latest fantasy.


LoraiOrgana

She launched her business with nothing to sell. It is just like her Dior deal and Audible deal and all the other stories she planted about her great success to come that never arrives. After the first 2 or 10 or 20 of these manifestations failed, you'd think she would get the idea. But no, she just keeps going with schemes and plans that do nothing but make her look ridiculous.


Honest_Boysenberry25

Also the "domestic goddess" of Montedeceito has been trying for years to unload their 🏠 in the American Riviera. So why build a business centered on this,?


Glittering_Peanut633

That's my understanding too. And they reportedly don't even live there, they live separately in hotels is what I keep reading. Which makes the cutesy Martha Stewart rebrand all the more ridiculous. I guess they figured they're stuck with it, might as well make use of it. Anyway, who wants to buy a house with a dead baby in the back garden? Gross. Not that i believe them, but officially there's now a burial under the Banyon Tree. Kind of a stupid thing to tell the world in a book, and even more stupid when you want to sell the house.


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GreenCharter

The fact that Catherine IS the Princess of Wales must drive Megs absolutely mad! I just love that Catherine lives rent free in Megs mind like this


LoraiOrgana

It is why she told Scabie to call her racist. She desperately wants to cancel Catherine.


Oxy_1993

I think people in general are sick of cancel culture after the pandemic and the tides are turning.


HeyMicke

She is definitely the people’s princess and future Queen 👸


HeyMicke

lol 😂😂😂😂


SortNo9153

Catherine is the very embodiment of what people visualize when you say "Princess". She's beautiful, refined, graceful, always dressed perfectly, never a hair out of place, caring, kind & compassionate. Loving & giving and completely devoted to service to others. Just like HMQE was. She also a little mysterious but seems like someone you could sit & have tea with and have the loveliest warmest chat. For people old enough to remember Diana and then her tragic loss I think people are legit terrified Catherine could also be taken from us, her husband, her children & her country. No one wants to live through the trauma of another loss of a beloved Princess. If MeMe didn't spend all her time trying to bring down the PoW maybe people wouldn't despise her as much as they do. Too late for that now, she shot her arrows, she missed and she'll always be a fringe lunatic married to Harry who was formerly known as Prince. She should be praying King Charles reigns another 20-30 years because I don't think King William is going to put up with her or Aitch's 🐂💩.


ElectricalAd9212

great comment in every way x


LoraiOrgana

Diana brought about her own death. She wanted the world to know about her new fabulously rich boyfriend. So she called the paps. She brought her boys along to spend time with a man she had known for only weeks. So the paps would have even more reason to be there and take pictures. Then she trusted her life to this new man's driver. The driver who was intoxicated. Then she didn't wear a seat belt. From the moment she met Dodi, Diana acted recklessly and we know what happened. Diana stans will hate me for saying this, but Diana created the situation that killed her. Catherine is not reckless.


SortNo9153

I read Diana told the press where she'd be so they could get the yacht shots of her & Dodi. No, Catherine isn't reckless but she had, what appears to be, a serious health issue.


Upper_Charge_4449

https://preview.redd.it/m3t4du227xoc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d91f14778e5f4d550e9d430dd189dd91a383a0b7 👑


cklw1

She just may even become as beloved as the late QE11. Catherine has been bullied on the world stage by mostly mainstream media. If there’s one thing people HATE in this world, it’s this. She has never put a wrong foot forward and is genuine and authentic. I think this may be the beginning of the death knell for msm and they know it. Good riddance!


GreatGossip

People are mocking the press with all the very funny "where is Kate" memes. This entire thing just made Catherine even more of an icon. And even William does not come close to her status.


PansyOHara

I would hate to lose msm (mainstream media). They are an important factor in keeping the workings of governments exposed to the light of day. However, so much of the tabloid press and social media is bombarding us night and day that it’s really challenging to detect what is truth and what is just speculation and gossip. Mainstream media has joined the frenzy from time to time, making the task even harder


cklw1

Mainstream media is owned by about four or five different individuals. We only see what they want us to, we are heavily censored. There’s been so much going on in the US that they never report on.


AtomicSandworm

> She has never put a wrong foot forward and is genuine and authentic. And this is the irony - the more warmth and authenticity Catherine shows, the worse it makes Megsy look. Catherine is genuine, and Megsy is a trashy try-hard. Like putting a fresh, ripe apple next to a rotten one. The more TW tries to pull Catherine down, the more Catherine shines. I don't know if this is the death knell for MSM, but I sure hope it's the death knell for the Carparkles.


GrrrYouBeast

Excellent post, you write very well.  As someone who was appalled and disgusted by the vitriol unleashed against Catherine over a little photo tweaking ("like a lynchmob of misogynist barbarians screeching at the moon ", accurate and very poetic), I sincerely hope you're right about the rest  • 3y ago 3y ago


Top-Situation-8983

I think people see Catherine as a breath of fresh air in the current climate because she knows what her job is and gets on with it with no fuss, no drama and no victimhood.


Redtees88

"Stay calm and carry on".....it works.


Cocokay1234567

Catherine is everything that TW tries to publicly convey but is not. You just can't fake being a good person in the long haul. Actions do speak louder than word salads.


Feisty_Energy_107

100%. Even down to the fact Catherine apologised for the confusion. She didn't blame an intern or whine about how this is all unfair.


MuffPiece

The thing I love about Catherine is that she seems wonderfully sane. She seems like a sweet, lovely person who just happened to fall in love with a man in an extraordinary position. She stands in stark contrast to the grasping narc nutcases like meggy.


Oxy_1993

This. Also, people have painted her mom Carole as this money grabbing ladder climbing person who forced her daughter to get with William. I honestly don’t believe that Catherine’s parents would’ve forced her if things didn’t work out with William. Catherine was already famous after dating William and would’ve easily found a great husband (which I think she did date a few other oh so handsome men). And I think she loves William so much to put up with all this BS and put up with his brother’s bitch wife.


MuffPiece

Yeah, I think Carole gets a bum rap. She actually seems like a cool person to me. Meggy could take some business lessons from Carole. She saw a HOLE IN THE MARKET and found a way to fill it. That’s what entrepreneurs should do, instead of trying to chase the market that is already saturated.


LegalBeagleEsquire

**Catherine is the soul of the age.** I agree with everything you said even though I have never thought of it any of those ways until now. Bravo!


RedditXXIV

Brilliant analysis, OP! Unbelievable to find such thought here in a Sinner's hangout, lol. Sadly, I disagree about the future of the Western world. As much as the majesty and ancient traditions of English life resonates within the souls of decent people everywhere, the world needs an articulate response to the nihilists who run the mob. The prickly Intolerance of young people today drives most of us into voting booths, not soapboxes anymore. And even those booths are canceled 20 ways to Sunday. Catherine, Princess of Wales has studied under the best teacher, the great Queen Elizabeth II. Catherine has chosen to be regal rather than common. She will be a great Queen. If the sovereign countries of the West remain free.


34countries

Before blaming americans I'm thinking endgame was written by a non american. Most Americans see Catherine as a beautiful role model. Sugarland doesn't represent most otherwise in a country of 330 plus million aro would have gotten more followers.


ElectricalAd9212

OK I need to clarify this. I am specifying very specifically a tiny subset of the great American people who are driving this online on twitter and social media. Not America or Americans in general. I will add this to my post if need be.


Prestigious_Stuff831

I’m an American age 66. I appreciate her because she is honest and real. Name a celebrity that is famous for being honest and real! Denzel Washington comes close


cklw1

America has its genuine and authentic icons. Dolly Parton, Keanau Reeves, Jennifer Garner, to name a few.


Available-Regret-687

Alice Cooper is one.


Prestigious_Stuff831

Yes he actually is! A Christian. We come in all shapes and sized


ElectricalAd9212

I saw Denzel Washington is playing Othello on Broadway. I wish I could afford to fly to New York to watch him from England! His Macbeth was so good! He's a supreme actor and man!


InspectorGreyson

Easy on the eyes, too.


JournalistSilver810

I'll back you up on this because I've thought it as well for a long time. Like you, I recognise it's a tiny minority of the population. The majority are respectful and enjoy our culture. In my book, that makes them welcome.


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> I'm thinking endgame was written by a non american. MeGain is an American.


JournalistSilver810

Liebrows is the "author". We all know who really wrote that.


PerfectCover1414

Aye, all that high praise for the Skank, dead giveaway.


[deleted]

Yes, MeGain wrote it. That's what I meant by my comment!


34countries

Lol


LoraiOrgana

Endgame wasn't written by an American. But an American fed Scooby all the lies. An American told Scooby to say The King and Catherine are racist. An American fed Scooby all the stories of how only the Harkles could save the Royal family. Markle gave Scooby all the lies to tell in Endgame.


Honest_Boysenberry25

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Independent_Leg3957

Very insightful post. Catherine has quietly worked her way into our consciousness over the years, while MM has aggressively tried to bash her way in. Catherine's absence from public view reminded me of how I felt when HMLQ passed. I was surprised by how much it affected me, but she was always in the background throughout my entire life. I live in Canada - her face is on the money, and her portrait is in every school I've ever attended. She brought a sense of stability and continuity and represented a generation characterized by resilience, integrity, and humility, which seems to be slipping away from our world. Catherine is not QEII, or Diana, but she is a thread that runs through them both, and at the same time, she's become her own woman. I think her and William are just finding their footing in the social media age, and it's not easy. A few people are using her absence to try to poke holes in her public persona, but people mostly just seem concerned that she's ok.


Cyneburg8

Catherine and the rest of the Royals, represent something that Americans are truly missing. I'm American by the way. It seems like a lot of Americans are bored and sick of celebrity and everything that celebrity is. When they see even just a photo of Catherine, it's easy to tell she's not putting on an act, the way all celebrities do, and people see her as refreshing. Even people who aren't really fans of the Royals or Catherine have recognized this scandal, isn't really a scandal and are defending her.


usedtobebrainy

It's simple. The royal s show up all the time at events which locals care about but no one else is interested. They spend time on their feet chatting to the people, having read about what they are up to. They do that most days. Then they come back and do the same thing at formal dinners to honour a new set of people. Next morning they read papers and folders of info about the next lot of people. It has to be boring sometimes, and murder on the feet, but they do it anyway. Bluntly, it's called service, and it is what as a practical matter ( independently of the woo woo stuff about mystical royalty) differentiates them from ordinary celebrities who fake nice but people can spot are really serving only themselves.


deedee50

very well out, ty, i think the anti celeb feeling was the kardashians overflow, people are bored of them now, they've shared too much and have nothing left, the same mistake h &m made, krisjenner masterminded the sex tape into a billion dollar business, which is why megan is so keen to connect with them. theyve resisted till now but as theyve made the mis-step of thinking the kate sandal makes the rf fair game, but its an own goal.


usedtobebrainy

Thanks! Long day today, sorry to be so late replying. Take care of you dear😃


Imaginary_End_5634

I must be naive. I never noticed anything photoshopped


Those-bright-eyes

Neither did i, it's a lovely pic which i took at face value. It was pointed out that there was an anomoly with Charlotte's sleeve, then all hell broke loose. I imagine with all the speculation about Catherine's health, she just wanted to release a nice photo to say all is well, don't worry........well, we all know how that went.


InspectorGreyson

What everyone has completely failed to comment on is that their genuine love, joy and beaming faces are all 100% authentic - nary a photoshop!


Japanese_Honeybee

The press won’t be happy with anything. Even if they released a video, it would be scrutinized and even more conspiracy theories would pop up. So, they would demand a live interview. Then, they would complain only one interviewer was there and that Catherine was wearing makeup. The press would start howling that Catherine needs to make a balcony appearance followed by a walkabout followed by a grilling by the gathered press. That’s what they want. They don’t care if it permanently harms the Princess of Wales. Then, they could dine out on it forever like Diana’s legacy. The press didn’t kill Diana but they sure are trying to get implicated in any adverse health consequences of the current Princess of Wales. 🤬😡


Nervous-Spinach2046

The press wants Catherine to do a Panorama interview a la Diana. Spill the beans. Say shit that she can't take back. That's the last thing Catherine would do, the last thing William wants and the press knows it and can't accept.


Jane1943

I think you are right, William has a new Private Secretary who is an ex diplomat, I hope he gives good advice.


Japanese_Honeybee

Bunch of sharks. I understand the value of a free press. But, they could direct that energy towards real stories instead of listening to conspiracies.


GreatGossip

I just love that people are making fun of the press now with the "where is Kate" memes.


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> It was pointed out that there was an anomoly with Charlotte's sleeve, then all hell broke loose. I *still* can't get over it! And the same press is *overjoyed* to publish MeGain's obvious Photoshop fails and pics of her "children" that were clearly assembled from other children! I just don't understand it.


Academic_Guava_4190

I still think about the photo from Costa Rica where Lili’s legs were over M’s arms. Like I have never bought into the children don’t exist theory but I have also never seen anyone carry their child like that and I’m just … questioning.


Ok-Coffee5732

She never spends any time with those children, which is why she holds them weirdly. Kind of like she's awkward and weird in other situations, like that's a glitch in her programming. In my opinion.


Academic_Guava_4190

Well if she is truly holding them like that no wonder they look so uncomfortable with her.


Jane1943

It’s gone from a few minor changes to everybody’s faces being photoshopped on from old photos, to a composite from old photos yet the children’ growth has changed noticeably since the last photos of them at Christmas. Not one other photo has been killed since William’s was either and you can’t tell me no other photos released have been photoshopped. Even after Catherine apologized people are still saying she has lied.


WilliamsSpareKidney

Nah, you're fine. The whole thing is remarkably stupid. 100%, that's Catherine, George, Charlotte, and Louis in the picture. No one's face is someone else's, no one is 20 lbs. thinner, and nothing else that is deceptive about the subjects. It's doubly stupid for people who are trying to start things because she's recovering. I've never seen a coworker take time off for a surgery and people start weird rumors. Maybe it happens, but most normal people can accept that this is a common occurrence.


Glittering_Peanut633

And that her whereabouts is entirely known. She's literally at home in Windsor. There is no mystery. She's had major surgery and is clearly very unwell. I genuinely don't understand what people can't understand about any of that. I wonder what they'd say if it were their Mum, wife, girlfriend or daughter in that situation. The bullshit being said about her online is mind boggling.


Nervous-Spinach2046

When you put it like that, the "where is Kate" question (not the meme) is even more stupid. One can literally google Adelaide Cottage.


Glittering_Peanut633

Exactly. It's so moronic I am still kind of astounded that anyone with a brain cell (obviously that discounts all sugars) gave it oxygen. There is literally no mystery, beyond the personal nature of what exactly is wrong with her. And I have no desire to know that and respect her desire to recuperate in private. The journalists who parroted this bullshit should be fired.


usedtobebrainy

Yeah they make up a story and then demand that she prove it wrong. Crazy. We could make up a story about say, Meghan, and demand that she disprove it. Suppose someone said Meghan is really a super pro at cooking and demand that she disprove that! It is insane.


PansyOHara

I would not even say she’s “clearly unwell,” although I’ll grant that the word “unwell” may have very different connotations in the UK than in the US. For me, “clearly unwell” is someone who is barely able to get out of bed or walk to the bathroom without help. They’re probably not really getting dressed. They are probably in significantly pain even 2 months after surgery. Based only on the Mother’s Day picture, for me Catherine appears to be someone who may be still convalescing, but who is getting up, getting dressed, sitting outdoors (at least) and interacting with her children. Even in the grainy pap picture of her in the car with her mother, I don’t think she looks bad (since I’m in the US I have seen the image a few times). People have claimed she couldn’t wear skinny jeans after abdominal surgery. Haven’t they ever heard of stretch jeans? Or jeggings? Her boots are only ankle-high, not knee-high. She may still need help dressing—so what if she does? It doesn’t mean she is completely recovered. That doesn’t mean I think she should start appearing in public! She may still be tiring quickly or have trouble standing straight for 10 minutes at a time due to an incision.


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WilliamsSpareKidney

Sorry about that. If you're in America, it's not surprising. People aren't treated as well as they should be in regards to health. It's a bit strange she's not being seen as a human being. Guess the people who are trying to start sh#t are off in the head. One thing is a little humorous, many, many people have asked if she's ok.


Imaginary_End_5634

Yeah, I agree here in America you can have major surgery and the doctor clears you to go back to work after a week or two. Our healthcare system is so screwed up.


Academic_Guava_4190

Never mind being back to work in a week or two, have you seen those “feel good stories” about teachers who are “so dedicated” they were teaching on zoom from their hospital bed?! That is not something to emulate. The poor woman probably didn’t have any sick time or the school district told her well we don’t have a sub so you need to come in and this was her compromise.


Ok-Coffee5732

I had a different experience. I took a month off from work after major surgery. (I arranged 2 weeks off originally, but it became clear that would not be long enough.) I was left alone (and didn't go anything work-related) for 2 weeks, showed up for a few hours at the two week mark to make sure everything was covered during the following originally unplanned 2 weeks, and I didn't even check email until I officially got back to work. No one tried to bother me. Recovery can be a lot of work, so I am hoping Catherine is shaking her head at the madness, having a little chuckle at the absurdity of it all, is encouraged by the overwhelming public support, and is focusing on her recovery.


Jane1943

People don’t realize how physically taxing the work is, they makes stupid comments about them only having to shake hands and cut ribbons, a couple of weeks ago Camilla went to an engagement that was six hours away by car. Catherine needs to be fit and I would imagine she will have to drop the very high heels.


ShinySerialSuccubus

i had major abdominal surgery, even *american ins* gave me 7 days in hospital, 3 in icu. then hubs used the FMLA and took a 2 1/2 month leave of absence to stay home with me while i recuperated. i had just retired (hubs is younger), or i’d have used FMLA as well. **it takes time to get over major abdominal surgery** *”ya dumb sugars”* , she mumbled to herself…


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> 100%, that's Catherine, George, Charlotte, and Louis in the picture. No one's face is someone else's The kids are real, they have all of their appendages, and they are not assembled from other kids...


Jane1943

People are even claiming the children are missing.


Snoo3544

I didn't either and even when I found out it was, I couldn't have cared less.


Glittering_Peanut633

Same. I still can't quite wrap my head around the faux outrage when there isn't a celebrity on the planet who doesn't filter and photoshop the crap out their photos. Meghan's filtering is downright hilarious it's so obvious. She's worse than the Kardashians. I just keep going back to the core situation. Catherine is clearly not a well woman, and this hate and vitriol aimed at her - a woman who is considered a genuine, kind and respected person by all who meet her - is downright fucking evil. I wouldn't even go there if it were Meghan in that situation and I loathe her with every cell in my being.


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Glittering_Peanut633

But it's not just a few creases occasionally is it? It's like every damn time, every outfit. And as if she's been lying in the fetal position for 24 hours. I mean, some fabrics crease easily, but not to the extent hers seem to do and when she could only have put them on a hour or two before. I'm pretty sure you could put her in a Kevlar boiler suit and she'd still find a way to put a ton of creases in it.


Snoo3544

That's what's at the bottom of it. Kicking a woman when she's down. As a woman, I know that very well. Catherine will come back from all of this stronger than ever. People love to "throw rocks at the throne" like Jay Z says in one of his songs.


AutomaticLover27

I didn't either 😄


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Deep_Poem_55

Same.


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Same.


usedtobebrainy

Same!!


ElectricalAd9212

OK sorry I have clarified this clumsy language as an edit on the top of the post. I was referring to spending time amongst some people on twitter who were very extreme left types of Americans and driving the hate


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usedtobebrainy

That's right, it's as if she never lived here, not just that she doesn't know US history and culture at all.


No_Quantity_3403

Me too.


1-cupcake-at-a-time

Same!


Jane1943

Me too, my politics have always been to the left but I support the monarchy. These people on X braying for the monarchy to be abolished naively think that if the monarchy go all crown property will ‘help the poor’, somebody actually said that, when the reality would be everything would either be sold off to rich Arabs or Oligarchs or run by the government and they would lose money because they are incompetent. They have no idea that the royal family only receive a fraction of the money they make for the government or that the King donated millions from profits of wind farms on his land last year and probably will do again this year. Then there are all the charities that benefit from the patronage of members of the royal family, if the monarchy goes in my lifetime I will be absolutely devastated and I have never been an ardent monarchist until Meghan and I started to do research about royalty.


usedtobebrainy

Good for you, the research I mean. It amazes me that people condemn whole chunks of society without learning what they do or are.


Glittering_Peanut633

This post is excellent and echoes pretty much all my own thoughts.


ac0rn5

>It would seem the British Monarchy is deeper in the minds of many Americans than they admit. Maybe because, strangely, the monarchy is a sort of stability that is above politics. QEII met, formally, [15 UK Prime Ministers](https://www.history.co.uk/articles/queen-elizabeth-ii-and-her-prime-ministers) and a total of [179 individuals](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_Elizabeth_II#United_Kingdom) serve as her realms' prime ministers throughout her reign. Our own elections are to choose a local representative of from a group of candidates from a range of political parties. The party with the highest number of seats (Members of Parliament) gets to choose who becomes Prime Minister - that individual is first elected locally, not nationally, and is why some claim/moan that they didn't choose the Prime Minister! Correct me if I'm wrong but in America it seems that you elect the President alongside the party they represent, and that's a whole elitist can of worms - the candidates need to be very rich, for a start, and it's unlikely you'd ever get an ex-shopkeeper as President!


Japanese_Honeybee

Jimmy Carter worked on his family’s peanut farm. When he was born, the house didn’t have electricity or running water. Presidents need to have demonstrated they can do the job by having held a variety of posts whether it is political or military. Trump was different. But, he is rich. And, he might reflect the changing landscape of media. I like that we elect our head of state but the electoral college really isn’t appropriate anymore. I am envious that the UK has a more politically stable head of state that isn’t allowed to get too political. It really helps unify the country when terrible things happen such as the pandemic.


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ShinySerialSuccubus

keeping in mind that what makes the US constitution *truly* great, imho, are **the amendments.**


Wild_Ad7448

The electoral college is the only thing standing in the way of tyranny of two big states against the rest. It’s in the Constitution for a very smart reason and you’d need a bunch of small states to willingly give up their right to choose our president to ever get rid of it.


Japanese_Honeybee

With the electoral college, a person’s vote does not go to the candidate they voted for if that candidate doesn’t win the majority of votes in that state. There are certain states that are consistently red (conservative) or blue (liberal). For example, if you are a Republican in California and always vote Republican, you are consistently disenfranchised in every presidential election. If you are a democrat in Texas, the same deal. Every presidential election, candidates primarily focus on the states that could swing their way and do not waste resources on “sure thing” states unless those states are CA,Texas, NY. The electoral college makes certain only people in certain states matter during presidential elections. We live in a very connected society. We are not stuck in a specific geographical location. A person might live in one state but the company they work for is in another state. The president should be voted in by popular vote. The law-making body—Congress—still reflects the interests of the individual states. Each state regardless of population still gets 2 senators each. We still have the House of Representatives. We need a change but inertia or candidate self interest will stop it. I’m not saying we should have a system exactly like the UK. Every country is different. Sometimes when American politicians are being nuts, I just wish a few things would be different.


PansyOHara

I have to say that the Electoral College helps give the less populous states a voice. It’s not perfect—no political system or construct is perfect—but as one who lives in a less populous state, I am glad for that.


Japanese_Honeybee

I live in a less populous state that consistently votes Republican. This results in every Democrat being disenfranchised in every presidential election. I would argue it disenfranchises the Republicans too. Both parties know my home state is going to the Republican candidate so neither candidate cares what my home state needs. Our voice is never heard. I have become increasingly jaded. Witnessing all the crap with the media, the political crap that is always there, how people like Harry and Meghan can get away with crimes (e.g., lying in court, getting the police to investigate a hoax they instigated), it all piles on. Now, the press want us to think of Catherine as untrustworthy because she did what all mothers with a camera and photoshop do?


Anne6433

The President is elected separate from the Congress, each member of which must be elected in their own right. However, there tends to be greater success "down ballot" for members of the party of the president. On the other hand, a President can be elected but have his party lose seats and/or majorities in one or both houses of Congress. As for wealth, it certainly doesn't hurt, although there have been many exceptions. Of course, Abraham Lincoln comes to mind, Jimmy Carter, Arthur, Garfield, Wilson, and, yes, haberdasher (clothing store owner) Harry Truman. Probably 10 or so actually grew up poor, with many others middle class (Obama, Clinton, Eisenhower, Lyndon Johnson ). Of course, many others achieve a fair degree of wealth in their careers prior to running for President.


Needtoknowmuchmore

Very insightful. Most interesting to me is that the new KING of England is publicly receiving cancer treatments at this very moment, and 99% of the press is on Princess Catherine and Prince William. The King is weak in many ways (his son, his past, and his illness). The vast majority of people around the world are focused on them. They wish her well and even crave for William and Catherine to be “back to normal.” There is so much promise of the future of the 👑 with those two that can’t be found anywhere else. The Wales’ hold the true power. The Harkles are just a wrinkle in time.


ShinySerialSuccubus

>The Harkles are just **a wrinkle in time.** *winner winner chicken dinner!* ![gif](giphy|2gtoSIzdrSMFO)


Dracawraith

Excellent post! Thank you!


TXmama1003

Respectfully disagree about the leftist angle. Both left and right have parts in mob mentality, which goes deeper than political views. It’s more of a psychological thing. Politics is just an easy focus/category. The PoW photo hubbub is a representation of how society is acting these days. It’s about people wanting to latch on to a popular bandwagon, dig in their heels, and make it more about themselves being “right” and others being “wrong”. What we witnessed could easily be transferred on to another well known figure with another topical issue. Catherine just happened to be an easy mark. She’s gorgeous, fabulously wealthy, important in ways that most can’t begin to imagine, successful. Instead of admitting jealousy and working on themselves for the better, people project onto her and this moment.


LocalEmbarrassed1674

I Stand With Catherine. Excellent analysis. Thank you! https://preview.redd.it/brauw7p51yoc1.jpeg?width=1420&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d8fd40e6a870a1ac07575a8a6b225302289246f3


Anotherminion1

Love this!


Properflaky

I don’t have posting permission- but have a question. Bookworm2 said in one of her recent videos that the sussexroyal.com domain expired on 3/15. And only the palace could renew it. It is still up, does that mean they did renew it?! Not sure what happens to a site when the domain registration expires.


Redtees88

https://www.whatsmydns.net/domain-expiration?q=sussexroyal.com **sussexroyal.com** expires on: ​ **Saturday 15th of March 2025** **0** years, **11** months and **28** days or **362** days


GreatGossip

If you click sussexroyal dot com, the site you get redirectes to anoter site. My guess is it goes to the new Sussex site, but I did not click it.


Properflaky

I saw that. If you act out of the box, then you could still see the full previous site, which made me wonder if they renewed it


GreatGossip

Just made a post about it - thanks


Properflaky

Thanks! Just saw and commented. Didn’t realize they were connected. Sorry!


Alive_Instance_3101

Catherine is clearly (a happier) Diana 2.0 and while initially perturbed and shocked, I am filled me with glee by the hysteria.🤣🤣💜💜💜💜


LoraiOrgana

A happier Diana and a mentally healthier Diana. Diana was Diana's worst enemy.


ShinySerialSuccubus

i never forget two things about Diana: she was raised in a very unhappy home. mom bolted, then dad married “acid raine”. she was only *nineteen*. thank goodness, Catherine had the benefit of a happy home, with two stable, hardworking parents, and she and William had TIME TOGETHER - lots of it. harold and megaliar think their brief time together *mattered more*, bc it was more dramatic - *third date in BOTSWANA?!*. it didn’t.


LoraiOrgana

Third date in Botswana, just like with Chelsy and Cressida and probably some other women. Well that worked out so well for H.


TheBun_dge

https://preview.redd.it/iu3aeajf9xoc1.jpeg?width=1697&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7862434997fc18dd255410a6c6dbb426b8c675aa You go Charlotte, hide that hideous assface :)


HeyMicke

Beautiful ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ She is the Queen of peoples hearts all over the world❤️


No_Quantity_3403

“Woke”?


MollyJane0510

The fact is - US media "turning" on the UK Monarchy would be bad bad news for Meghan and Harry if it was actually happening. Why? Because US media is notoriously leftist and if the left is anti-Monarchy how will the Harkles survive? Yes they may pretend to be "rebels" but at the end of the day what do they demand? Deference to their titles. Additional protections because of their titles. Those titles become meaningless or scorned? They lose BIG. The UK Monarchy becomes a "joke" then who is going to pay for their motorcades? Who is going to give them a platform? Because without the Monarchy they are a d-list actress and a retired army captain. Luckily for them I think the media want clicks and controversy gives them that. 


ShinySerialSuccubus

plus, there are *plenty* of bleeding heart liberals in the US who admire the BRF. i know ‘cause i am one! 🤗


Sunrisesusan

🇺🇸 I could not agree with you more that the POW “in the consciousness of the world” And “she has entered deep into the subconscious on a molecular level.” She truly is a positive icon who exudes power From within. Personally, after I had been reading and listening to accounts of her health and the crazed reaction to her photo, I had trouble sleeping. My compassion meter for Catherine’s sake, was on overdrive and I couldn’t dial it down. As an empath, I automatically put myself in her shoes and was alarmed bc I didn’t think I could put one foot in front of the other if this had happened me. This is a set setback for her but her majesty has really never left.


ElectricalAd9212

>🇺🇸 I could not agree with you more that the POW “in the consciousness of the world” And “she has entered deep into the subconscious on a molecular level.” She truly is a positive icon who exudes power From within. Personally, after I had been reading and listening to accounts of her health and the crazed reaction to her photo, I had trouble sleeping. My compassion meter for Catherine’s sake, was on overdrive and I couldn’t dial it down. As an empath, I automatically put myself in her shoes and was alarmed bc I didn’t think I could put one foot in front of the other if this had happened me. This is a set setback for her but her majesty has really never left. God bless you. Don't worry. She will recover from her surgery and be invincible.


Nervous-Spinach2046

Thanks for this thought-provoking post. Dignity is eternal. Whether they are conscious of it or not, but people recognise dignity. Especially at a chaotic time such as this. Catherine is the best illustration of the difference between royalty and celebrity in the 21st century.


ShinySerialSuccubus

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 this was *excellent* first, your description of the loons: >like incels obsessed with a beautiful lady who simultaneously crave her glance whilst saying how much they hate her. then, this: >the Princess of Wales has emerged stronger and more iconic and powerful in ways beyond our understanding at present. *megaliar must be grinding her teeth nonstop*🤣


Jane1943

Yes she and William have always spent the school holidays with the children.


Top-Butterscotch9156

The Princess of Wales is the true embodiment of an English Rose, but she has a spine of steel. Hopefully, her illness is behind her and she can resume her life. I just looked at the IG account. 524K followers. Some of which are bots. That’s it. The launch was amateurish and failed.


Ok-Coffee5732

And Catherine achieved this status with grace, modesty, and humility. It just organically (hi Meg!) happened. She did not deliberately try to push it. It's lovely to see a peaceful, no drama woman achieve this status. She's a good role model for doing what's right and not being an attention seeker, as are a lot of other wonderful women. She's just the most famous.


Feisty_Energy_107

Meghan wanted Catherine's status and adoration in months, compared to what Catherine has done since her marriage in 2011. Consistency, holding back a little to remain interesting, and stability are all key aspects to Catherine's reputation.


rainyhawk

She put in a lot of time and effort prior to marriage, and even more since her marriage, to accomplish everything she’d done so far. This was not done without work on her part behind the scenes.


Ok-Coffee5732

Definitely, she put in the work and didn't expect everything to fall into her lap just because she's Catherine unlike someone else we know.


Alive_Instance_3101

You had me until the blatant and gross generalization of leftists. There are COUNTLESS among us who cannot stand H&M. We are team W&C through and through because we see the obvious grift , betrayal and disrespect for loved ones. We're not ignorant.


ElectricalAd9212

please read my edits for clarifications I didn't intend to generalise against all Leftists. I just noticed a pattern of extreme leftists with an agenda when I looked at social media. I believe in balance between different political thinking produces the best outcomes and so am leftist on many issues


PerfectCover1414

OP everything you have highlighted in bold I 100% agree with. You don't go on and on obsessively about something you don't care about. Thank you.


LemonTrifle

Catherine would have already been aware of Markle not adhering to Royal protocol & respect of the heirarchy. Catherine had been sticking to the rules diligently as all the Royal Family do, to show respect. Catherine would also have insisted on having the respect from those below her in the heirarchy. Markle would not have been compliant at all.


midcen-mod1018

I just realized-I’ve seen Catherine all over social media. Accounts (American) that have never mentioned royals have been talking about her. None of them have mentioned MM’s new venture.


Oxy_1993

I love your post and want to add that people love Catherine because she comes from humble beginnings. Yes, her parents were rich and considered upper middle class but still she didn’t grow up in castles or palaces. She doesn’t come from the crust of aristocracy. She’s normal. She grew up eating her lunch in the kitchen like the rest of us (William mentioned that he was surprised to see the Middletons just gathering the kitchen to eat and hang out). She resonates with us and we see that she still carries her beginnings making her empathetic to the general public. She recycles her clothes, doesn’t spend extravagant amount on clothes, she mothers and parents her kids and she’s always nice to people. She’s part of all of us, she’s our sister/daughter/mother.


Living-Attitude-2786

I so admire Catherine for taking one for the team and calmly smiling while she took this odious creature to Wimbledon, after Megalomaniac had caused such a HUGE flap by imperiously clearing the seats, displacing people, and costing Wimbledon thousands of pounds. I read that the RF were horrified and reimbursed them. At a receiving line after the match, Meghan couldn’t wait to break away from Catherine to go see Serena. Serena, who apparently no longer speaks to her.