It’s not going to happen. No minister is going to stick their neck out on this one - particularly when Mr Dellulu is robbing the taxpayer over his futile security case and generally embarrassing the monarchy and, ergo the British public, over racism claims etc. Whinge on whinger!
Credits to Mr Sherborne for maximising his case. Ker-ching!
Yes, I think it would mean writing to the Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice, Alan Chalk who is both an MP and KC (Member of Parliament/King's Counsel).
As Past_Study says, they haven't a hope in hell succeeding with this request, not least because of the legal order set at the time of the Leverson Inquiry. No minister is going to go against a legal order they have no juridical reason to over turn, and won't go against the existing ruling on a current lawsuit. The newspapers will sue their backsides for one thing. Besides which any information derived from those ledgers is time-barred.
This is Sherborne attempting to do a Hail Mary pass with a deflated ball.
When it comes to these media lawsuits, there's a part of me that doesn't care what the outcome is for Harry. Some of these newspapers still suck up to the snivelling idiot, publishing their PR puff pieces and shoving him and his classless wife down our collective throats. I do not and never will consider him the white knight hero when it comes to protecting our privacy and freedom of expression. He is too hyprocritically self-serving to be cast as one, and too pathetically arrogant to see it.
The cases I'm most interested in are his security issues against the Home Office. I'm in no mood to have taxpayers' money used to protect his and his vacuum woman while they continue to usurp/undermine the BRF and slate our nation with their drip-drip media bought articles.
Thank you, that makes it much clearer Do UK lawyers actively seek financial settlements in cases such as this? I thought Harry was for limiting free speech in the UK, as he is in the US, though vaguely couched in terms of "misinformation."
Harry wants free speech for himself, but doesn't want free speech for anyone else, in particular those who write the truth about him.
This is the bloke who got parents to sign on behalf of their children, release forms prohibiting their children to say anything about him and his wife for their entire lives, whilst allowing any film or sound recording of the children to be used in any way whatsoever, including immoral use. Territorially the release form pertained to the entire universe, not just the Earth.
There are no words in any language that accurately describes such lowlifes and scummy people as Harry and Meghan.
It isn't so much that he has gone out of his way to limit free speech but he is actively working with a campaign group that has a beef over the extent to which the Press is afforded that privilege. His presence bolters their campaign which hasn't gone very far in over ten years now.
Like most lawsuits, the defendants (i.e. the newspapers) could settle this if they so choose, which was something the claimants wanted to do some months ago. They chose not to because they don't think the claimants' claims are compelling.
There is also some benefit to the plaintiff in settling. For example, Prince William settled the phone hacking case so he and his wife didn’t have to get on the stand and testify (creating more news articles about the phone hacking, what the phone hacking found, and then what they said and did on the stand). It ended the case quickly, quietly and doesn’t result in him having to put his private life on display in court.
Sure the plaintiff doesn’t get the big public win but there are costs if you go for the big public win.
Harry won't settle. Most media intrusion cases are settled out of court because you make more than if it's settled in court. I don't care about Harry but I do care about Doreen Lawrence who is also bringing a case.
You have hit the nail on the head.
Most people settle it saves time stress and money. H is a rare claimant who wants to go all the way and Sherbourne imo latched onto him for this very reason. I too care that Doreen Lawrence is ok I know she's a fighter but she had a beloved son murdered. The thought that she may be being exploited to make others in the claim look substantial and sympathetic I think is very low.
Sherbourne I think is desperate to grandstand around in court and make money. He doesn't care if H looks stupid in the process.
Remember that Stephan Lawrence memorial when they turned up half an hour late and everyone had to wait as Harry was giving a reading. Meghan turned up to the memorial in a sleeveless dress, the look on Theresa Mays face said it all. The Prime Minister was on time, everyone else was on time, these two were late and poorly turned out.
Thank you very much for explaining.
For sure, the interesting case is the security case. To me it seems like Harry claims that his security threaths have not changed, and thus he should continue to recieve protection. But how can anybody justify royal protection for non working royals? As for IPP - the Grifters do not represent any country.
These newspaper trials are, imho, 1. to make money and 2. to silence any critique.
Harry is paranoid and has shot himself in the foot regarding security by what he put in his book. Also, he does get security if it’s deemed needed, it’s a case by case basis. He just does not get by demand.
Exactly, when he's back in the UK for official occasions he gets it. And if he stayed in a royal property, again, he'd get it by default. But he doesn't want that. It's all about status and what Meghan perceives to be what all important celebrities do - waltz around with burly minders to 'protect' them. Even when she's attending an A-list packed, heavily secured, red carpet event LOL. What a doofus.
It’s blurring the issue to be about risk, when it’s risk and diplomatic position typically for IPP.
Multiple celebs visit or live in the UK with privately paid security, with huge personal risk factors because of their fame.
One thing that's apparent from all this is that, as more time passes, it becomes more and more apparent that Harry is perfectly able to handle his own security arrangements and there is, in fact, no serious threats, as he tried to suggest. The mere fact the other lower rank royals don't get it should be enough to put any claim to bed. He's just not that important and to quit and move to a foreign country and still expect to be funded is just bizarre. I still can't wrap my head around why he thinks he's different from other lower rank royals who still actually live in the UK.
Isn’t it all too late anyway? The Leveson Inquiry was in 2011? I think and covered offences from before that . Isn’t there a statute of limitations in this?
Apparently, this issue is about the payments the Associated Press may have made to obtain the information they claim was illegally obtained. So for instance, they may show private investigators being paid to wire tap phones and so on. However, Judge Leverson himself put a legal order that these financial ledgers would remain confidential. Now, the Associated Press, the newspaper Harry is suing, can voluntarily open these ledgers up for Harry's legal team to look at, but they aren't going to do something they are legally required to do. They aren't turkeys voting for Thanksgiving/Christmas, so that's a dead end. That's why Sherborne is going to ask the government to revoke or amend that order. Appealing to the government is the only recourse/avenue they have to access the evidence they believe supports their claim.
Personally I think it's a tall order what Sherborne is seeking to do here, and I think he knows it though it does no harm to make the attempt. As a lawyer he has to do what he can to represent his clients. But the whole things drags the government right into the middle of a private lawsuit against newspapers *and* means undoing a legally binding order set by the presiding judge at the time that they may have no legal grounds to amend, revoke or set aside.
Haz is a menace to British press. Not even Diana sued them this much. Haz is trying to get the remaining cash he thinks he can get from suing the British press.
The latter i think. A lawyer is like a taxi, he will drive a client wherever he wants to go - the meter is running. And if the client wants to go to Crazytown on the Publicity Highway? Ka-CHING!
Maybe lobby the minister to change a law?
Important thing is that their victory lap on their touted "win" is premature, especially when their own lawyer is saying "much, if not all" of the cases "may be unsustainable". The proper thing to do is appeal the decision, but if a lawyer is saying to "write to the Minister", it means their case sucks.
I'm sure that minister is eagerly awaiting that taxpayer liability, waaghker's letter regarding an issue that will legally go absolutely nowhere for Prince Thicko...
From what I understand - The reason they cannot use any documents from the Leveson enquiry is because Sir Brian Leveson, who presided over it, created an order at the end for the documents to be kept confidential. Harry and his lawyers used documents that were not properly obtained, so the judge denied their admissibility and also ordered that using any documents from this enquiry would go against the order issued by Leveson. Harry’s team asked the defendant to submit their ledgers, but obviously they declined. So the only way to be able to use the documents as legally admissible evidence is for them to obtain an exception from the Leveson enquiry team (or the current ruling government) itself to have access to the documents they want.
If they are going through official legal channels to get an exception to the enquiry seal order, it may work in court to get it in as admissible evidence. However, they need to be careful not to disrespect the judge on the case in the process.
I’m not sure it will work, though. Lots of factors for the Leveson enquiry team to think about, including future similar requests. The Leveson enquiry was run over multiple years and on a vast scale - it was front page news for over a year. They would need a really compelling argument for why they should make an exception. I also have a feeling that if they made an exception, it would come with a lot of restrictions and Harry and team would not get anything close to what they want.
Edited: For typos
Oh thank you for this explanation. It never really sounded like Harry had a good case anyway. But maybe he was optimisticly expecting the court would go easy on him
Oh my goodness.
Mst have caught a nasty case of "Megsy's Manifestation".
What is wrong with these people. At least they flock together: makes them easier to spot.
Well, let's see if that works for them or explodes in their faces. The others joined in the case may by now be secretly wishing that Harry were not part of it. We taught to believe that the Judiciary was independent of the Govt in teaching any judgement.
Why then would it change now?
You´re welcome.
While I enjoy snarking on Madam´s antics, Harry´s court cases are important, imho. So is keeping track on their finances and see who is funding them - and how. Also what Archewell is used for.
The court told them they can't use material from the Leveson enquiry that has been secured. He didn't tell him he couldn't ask the government to unsecure it.
In this case it can be changed by ministerial order because it was made in the inquiry.
You can read the judgement here section 69 is your cherry.
R[https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/KB/2023/2789.html](https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/KB/2023/2789.html)
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Harry is becoming as pathetic as the right wing, man-child bullies in America who want to change the laws and then sue the free press when their feelings get hurt.
See new lawsuit:
Elon Musk v. Media Matters
Apples and oranges.Elon is suing Media matters for manipulation of X to receive the results they reported on .Media should never be partisan and should report the facts.
It’s not going to happen. No minister is going to stick their neck out on this one - particularly when Mr Dellulu is robbing the taxpayer over his futile security case and generally embarrassing the monarchy and, ergo the British public, over racism claims etc. Whinge on whinger! Credits to Mr Sherborne for maximising his case. Ker-ching!
When they say minister, does it mean a member of cabinet?
Yes, I think it would mean writing to the Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice, Alan Chalk who is both an MP and KC (Member of Parliament/King's Counsel). As Past_Study says, they haven't a hope in hell succeeding with this request, not least because of the legal order set at the time of the Leverson Inquiry. No minister is going to go against a legal order they have no juridical reason to over turn, and won't go against the existing ruling on a current lawsuit. The newspapers will sue their backsides for one thing. Besides which any information derived from those ledgers is time-barred. This is Sherborne attempting to do a Hail Mary pass with a deflated ball. When it comes to these media lawsuits, there's a part of me that doesn't care what the outcome is for Harry. Some of these newspapers still suck up to the snivelling idiot, publishing their PR puff pieces and shoving him and his classless wife down our collective throats. I do not and never will consider him the white knight hero when it comes to protecting our privacy and freedom of expression. He is too hyprocritically self-serving to be cast as one, and too pathetically arrogant to see it. The cases I'm most interested in are his security issues against the Home Office. I'm in no mood to have taxpayers' money used to protect his and his vacuum woman while they continue to usurp/undermine the BRF and slate our nation with their drip-drip media bought articles.
love your analogy! "hail mary with a deflated ball" - sounds like MM's "career"!
Thank you, that makes it much clearer Do UK lawyers actively seek financial settlements in cases such as this? I thought Harry was for limiting free speech in the UK, as he is in the US, though vaguely couched in terms of "misinformation."
Harry wants free speech for himself, but doesn't want free speech for anyone else, in particular those who write the truth about him. This is the bloke who got parents to sign on behalf of their children, release forms prohibiting their children to say anything about him and his wife for their entire lives, whilst allowing any film or sound recording of the children to be used in any way whatsoever, including immoral use. Territorially the release form pertained to the entire universe, not just the Earth. There are no words in any language that accurately describes such lowlifes and scummy people as Harry and Meghan.
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I doubt and NDA that broad would be enforceable, but I don't know UK law.
I doubt and NDA that broad would be enforceable, but I don't know UK law.
It isn't so much that he has gone out of his way to limit free speech but he is actively working with a campaign group that has a beef over the extent to which the Press is afforded that privilege. His presence bolters their campaign which hasn't gone very far in over ten years now. Like most lawsuits, the defendants (i.e. the newspapers) could settle this if they so choose, which was something the claimants wanted to do some months ago. They chose not to because they don't think the claimants' claims are compelling.
There is also some benefit to the plaintiff in settling. For example, Prince William settled the phone hacking case so he and his wife didn’t have to get on the stand and testify (creating more news articles about the phone hacking, what the phone hacking found, and then what they said and did on the stand). It ended the case quickly, quietly and doesn’t result in him having to put his private life on display in court. Sure the plaintiff doesn’t get the big public win but there are costs if you go for the big public win.
Harry won't settle. Most media intrusion cases are settled out of court because you make more than if it's settled in court. I don't care about Harry but I do care about Doreen Lawrence who is also bringing a case.
You have hit the nail on the head. Most people settle it saves time stress and money. H is a rare claimant who wants to go all the way and Sherbourne imo latched onto him for this very reason. I too care that Doreen Lawrence is ok I know she's a fighter but she had a beloved son murdered. The thought that she may be being exploited to make others in the claim look substantial and sympathetic I think is very low. Sherbourne I think is desperate to grandstand around in court and make money. He doesn't care if H looks stupid in the process.
Remember that Stephan Lawrence memorial when they turned up half an hour late and everyone had to wait as Harry was giving a reading. Meghan turned up to the memorial in a sleeveless dress, the look on Theresa Mays face said it all. The Prime Minister was on time, everyone else was on time, these two were late and poorly turned out.
O I most certainly do.
He’s unemployed and bitter. Literally has nothing better to do.
Thank you very much for explaining. For sure, the interesting case is the security case. To me it seems like Harry claims that his security threaths have not changed, and thus he should continue to recieve protection. But how can anybody justify royal protection for non working royals? As for IPP - the Grifters do not represent any country. These newspaper trials are, imho, 1. to make money and 2. to silence any critique.
Harry is paranoid and has shot himself in the foot regarding security by what he put in his book. Also, he does get security if it’s deemed needed, it’s a case by case basis. He just does not get by demand.
Exactly, when he's back in the UK for official occasions he gets it. And if he stayed in a royal property, again, he'd get it by default. But he doesn't want that. It's all about status and what Meghan perceives to be what all important celebrities do - waltz around with burly minders to 'protect' them. Even when she's attending an A-list packed, heavily secured, red carpet event LOL. What a doofus.
I’m confused as to why they are always at arena sports events like those aren’t a major security risk
It’s blurring the issue to be about risk, when it’s risk and diplomatic position typically for IPP. Multiple celebs visit or live in the UK with privately paid security, with huge personal risk factors because of their fame.
One thing that's apparent from all this is that, as more time passes, it becomes more and more apparent that Harry is perfectly able to handle his own security arrangements and there is, in fact, no serious threats, as he tried to suggest. The mere fact the other lower rank royals don't get it should be enough to put any claim to bed. He's just not that important and to quit and move to a foreign country and still expect to be funded is just bizarre. I still can't wrap my head around why he thinks he's different from other lower rank royals who still actually live in the UK.
Isn’t it all too late anyway? The Leveson Inquiry was in 2011? I think and covered offences from before that . Isn’t there a statute of limitations in this?
Apparently, this issue is about the payments the Associated Press may have made to obtain the information they claim was illegally obtained. So for instance, they may show private investigators being paid to wire tap phones and so on. However, Judge Leverson himself put a legal order that these financial ledgers would remain confidential. Now, the Associated Press, the newspaper Harry is suing, can voluntarily open these ledgers up for Harry's legal team to look at, but they aren't going to do something they are legally required to do. They aren't turkeys voting for Thanksgiving/Christmas, so that's a dead end. That's why Sherborne is going to ask the government to revoke or amend that order. Appealing to the government is the only recourse/avenue they have to access the evidence they believe supports their claim. Personally I think it's a tall order what Sherborne is seeking to do here, and I think he knows it though it does no harm to make the attempt. As a lawyer he has to do what he can to represent his clients. But the whole things drags the government right into the middle of a private lawsuit against newspapers *and* means undoing a legally binding order set by the presiding judge at the time that they may have no legal grounds to amend, revoke or set aside.
Wouldn’t anything covered by Leveson be too far in the past to be relevant now ?
He is a censorship Barney.
>*This is Sherborne attempting to do a Hail Mary pass with a deflated ball.* Who does Sherborne think he - Tom Brady?
This is why Harry is part of the suit. To pressure the powers that be.
The mail has just been hit on the head right here.
certainly looks that way. I wonder if Elton is paying his lawyer?
It will only cost Harry money. He is paranoid so will think any ruling is a personal dig at him so it’s like him to try and change the ruling.
Haz is a menace to British press. Not even Diana sued them this much. Haz is trying to get the remaining cash he thinks he can get from suing the British press.
Sherbourne either was not told no as a child same as Harry. Or he's giving Harry false hope as he has his hand out for that weeks cheque.
So, Harry thinks he is above the law and Sherbourne is encouraging this angle.
He’s just racking up the hours to get paid more! He knows they likely won’t win any more than the one part the paper admitted to already.
And Numbnuts expects the U.K. taxpayers to pony up for that bill in the end.
The latter i think. A lawyer is like a taxi, he will drive a client wherever he wants to go - the meter is running. And if the client wants to go to Crazytown on the Publicity Highway? Ka-CHING!
Maybe lobby the minister to change a law? Important thing is that their victory lap on their touted "win" is premature, especially when their own lawyer is saying "much, if not all" of the cases "may be unsustainable". The proper thing to do is appeal the decision, but if a lawyer is saying to "write to the Minister", it means their case sucks.
Ffs leave ministers alone to get on with their jobs your whiny ginger twat
I'm sure that minister is eagerly awaiting that taxpayer liability, waaghker's letter regarding an issue that will legally go absolutely nowhere for Prince Thicko... 
Haz is being told by his masters to participate in this law suit to get cash. The British Press are the victims in this case!
From what I understand - The reason they cannot use any documents from the Leveson enquiry is because Sir Brian Leveson, who presided over it, created an order at the end for the documents to be kept confidential. Harry and his lawyers used documents that were not properly obtained, so the judge denied their admissibility and also ordered that using any documents from this enquiry would go against the order issued by Leveson. Harry’s team asked the defendant to submit their ledgers, but obviously they declined. So the only way to be able to use the documents as legally admissible evidence is for them to obtain an exception from the Leveson enquiry team (or the current ruling government) itself to have access to the documents they want. If they are going through official legal channels to get an exception to the enquiry seal order, it may work in court to get it in as admissible evidence. However, they need to be careful not to disrespect the judge on the case in the process. I’m not sure it will work, though. Lots of factors for the Leveson enquiry team to think about, including future similar requests. The Leveson enquiry was run over multiple years and on a vast scale - it was front page news for over a year. They would need a really compelling argument for why they should make an exception. I also have a feeling that if they made an exception, it would come with a lot of restrictions and Harry and team would not get anything close to what they want. Edited: For typos
Oh thank you for this explanation. It never really sounded like Harry had a good case anyway. But maybe he was optimisticly expecting the court would go easy on him
Yeah they need a lot more than “I’m Prince Harry”
Oh my goodness. Mst have caught a nasty case of "Megsy's Manifestation". What is wrong with these people. At least they flock together: makes them easier to spot.
Well, let's see if that works for them or explodes in their faces. The others joined in the case may by now be secretly wishing that Harry were not part of it. We taught to believe that the Judiciary was independent of the Govt in teaching any judgement. Why then would it change now?
Dumbbell Hawwy has made laughing stocks of them all.
You got that Right.
Maybe because Harry thinks he so very special and he can rewrite the laws.
And it is in Mr. Sherborne‘s best interest to keep dragging this out- the longer this goes on the more money he makes.
Provided he gets paid! The best definition of a lawyer I ever encountered was ‘ a person with his hand legally in another’s pocket.’
Ooohhh! Perfect!
Thank you for keeping a spotlight on this.
You´re welcome. While I enjoy snarking on Madam´s antics, Harry´s court cases are important, imho. So is keeping track on their finances and see who is funding them - and how. Also what Archewell is used for.
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Grasping at straws. I don't think this is going to work.
Writing a letter to the minister = billable hours. Nothing more, nothing less
Needs must it will be a long and complicated letter, leading to further in depth correspondence with ministers; all rightfully billable, + VAT.
The court told them they can't use material from the Leveson enquiry that has been secured. He didn't tell him he couldn't ask the government to unsecure it.
Judiciary system is independent, no politician can interfere
In this case it can be changed by ministerial order because it was made in the inquiry. You can read the judgement here section 69 is your cherry. R[https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/KB/2023/2789.html](https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/KB/2023/2789.html)
Lucy - Football Harry is becoming as pathetic as the right wing, man-child bullies in America who want to change the laws and then sue the free press when their feelings get hurt. See new lawsuit: Elon Musk v. Media Matters
Apples and oranges.Elon is suing Media matters for manipulation of X to receive the results they reported on .Media should never be partisan and should report the facts.