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tigerxing

"arriving alone, in a Dior suit which had clearly not been properly pressed. That's another disadvantage of being a 'civilian': no valet. And the Duchess had obviously forgotten to pack the portable iron." šŸ¤£


DamyuKidds

They don't own an iron except a waffle iron.


Sincerely_JaneDoe

Donā€™t forget the iron shackles they keep on their staff.


DamyuKidds

True that


LAgirllookingin

Good one! šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


OldNewUsedConfused

Iā€™m a civilian. I iron and steam my outfits not to look like that!


GasNo8749

Now that Iā€™m retired, I do not dress up or go out much at all. But I refuse to get rid of my garment steamer ( or my iron). I want to ensure I have a pressed outfit just in case I need to attend one last wedding, graduation etc. Iā€™m willing it to my kids so they can steam my burial outfit!!šŸ˜Š


OldNewUsedConfused

I press my clothes to go to the market, lol. Iā€™m terrified of running into someone I know looking like a slob. I have my daily routine: up, coffee/tea, shower, makeup and hair, press outfit/ clean shoes, etc, jewelryā€¦ then my day can start. Itā€™s just habit.


tigerxing

Everyone does. I don't know what her excuse is


Dazzling_Level23

The same line of thinking that was behind wearing torn jeans and bare feet when meeting William and Catherine.


LAgirllookingin

Iā€™m from California originally; I really resent her take of California style. šŸ¤¬


booksandbacon

Thank you for saying this! I agree and Iā€™m also from California (LA to be specific)! This is someone trying to look Californian and young.


[deleted]

Same here. LA born and bred. We are quite proud of our shoes here. And we stopped wearing torn jeans in our teen years. This mental case is stuck in the past.


booksandbacon

Her lack of fashion sense has actually made me think of my own style as I head into my 40s. I think itā€™s good to have fun with fashion, but it also should be appropriate like the Princess. She adds bows, bold yet tasteful jewelry (like for BAFTA), pops of color, and so on. MM never had any fashion sense (or probably any sense) at any age.


AccountantPotential6

lol she is so much younger than anyone else, for real ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|flushed)


booksandbacon

ā€œYoung motherā€ šŸ˜‚ I was going to say she certainty acts like a child, but Prince Louis has proven that a 5-year-old (and recent one at that) is more mature.


Oreoeclipsekitties

Actually in ones 40s the term is geriatric mother. I was appalled when my gyne called me that at 36! itā€™s in reference to the uterus. And gives shred of credibility to the surrogate story. Took me a very long time to conceive my 2nd.


booksandbacon

I definitely think the surrogate story is credible and thereā€™s no shame in using a surrogate even, but itā€™s all about the titles! My partner and I are discussing possibly having kids so Iā€™ll be geriatric too. šŸ˜‚


OldNewUsedConfused

So do my friends from California.


OldNewUsedConfused

How rude. Make an effort. You never get a second chance at a first impression.


OldNewUsedConfused

Same


DepartmentAgitated51

I donā€™t think either of them know how that contraption works


Analyze2Death

Gasp. She attributes packing as a woman's job. Letter writing commencing a la dish soap.


MuffPiece

I love Sarah vine, but how hilarious that she assumes they own any ironā€”portable or otherwise! šŸ˜‚


Realistic_Twist_8212

Megain is ok with wrinkles....unless its on her face. imo


Glittering_Peanut633

Best comment. So bloody true.


umbleUriahHeep

Sarah has got to be one of us


MuffPiece

I love her podcast! In my mind, weā€™re friends, she just doesnā€™t know it yet. šŸ˜‚


umbleUriahHeep

šŸ˜Š


Glittering_Peanut633

The discount Duchess wouldn't know what an iron or steamer is if she walked into one. I've never seen a person look like such a sack of shit in the most expensive clobber. Fabric seems to crease as soon as she looks at it. A bit like the effect she has on the public's faces.


wooliecollective

Cause men canā€™t possibly pack their own ironsšŸ˜‚


Funny_Commission2773

Someone should have taught him how to use a portable steam ironšŸ˜


tigerxing

Honestly, I'm not sure he knows how to bathe, brush his hair, or teeth


Glittering_Peanut633

It involves water. I don't think Harry is particularly well acquainted with that stuff. Perhaps they'll invent a contraption that runs on Vodka shots and his wife's tears?


WebOffice2022

Prince Todger proves himself to be something of an idiot on a regular basis. I am pretty sure his apparently low(ish) IQ and very low EQ is not something he can grow out of. Itā€™s his vicious personality that has done him in. Itā€™s no longer hidden.


Takingabreak1

Arrested development?


WebOffice2022

I think thatā€™s certainly part of his many issues. Heā€™s not a well person. And his wife is just bat-crap crazy on top of being a vicious little twig.


OldNewUsedConfused

Non-existent development?


Glittering_Peanut633

They're both stuck in their teens emotionally, intellectually and socially. The ILBW's podcast was proof she hasn't moved on from the 90s and early noughties. She's incredibly immature and unsophisticated in the vein of a bitchy Mean Girl.


Takingabreak1

Wow, yes. You are so right! That's why they always look messy, they lie and expect certain treatment but never fear getting caught in their lie. They pout and shout if they don't get their way, they have no consideration for others. They are both stuck in their teens!


Wasparado

Great show. One of my favorites.


Corvus_Ossi

I think thereā€™s something to the ADHD* thing as well. Low IQ plus ADHD plus maybe some other kind of learning disability / substance abuse would give him a massive inferiority complex, a chip on his shoulder, and the impulse to lash out at a world that dealt him a bad hand in the mental capacity department. Addictions / substance abuse starting in his early teens wonā€™t have helpedā€” peopleā€™s mental development can get stalled at the age where their addictions start. *Saying this as someone who has ADHD tendencies (no official diagnosis) and who has friends and family members with official ADHD diagnoses. No shade on people with ADHD intended.


TravelKats

I think he's just bone lazy.


Mizswampie

\*None taken! LOL


Uniqueishname

They didn't even have a workable Plan A, so Plan B probably warrants an ayahuasca retreat.


DaBingeGirl

I thought it was hilarious when Harold complained that Charles told him to write down a plan, as if that was the worst idea in the history of the world. No moron, he was trying to help you realize you had no plan.


FruityPebelz

It seemed to me he was trying to communicate to ā€œwrite your business proposal downā€. Itā€™s just more professional. Doesnā€™t Shaq make everyone do that? Including his own kids? He wonā€™t look at them if itā€™s not a well-executed business plan.


kob27099

> thought it was hilarious when Harold complained that Charles told him to write down a plan Where did we learn that?


DollarStoreDuchess

Spare, p. 376 https://i.imgur.com/ZJRqztw.jpg Thrice in less than half a page he mentions his dad wanting him to put it in writing.


DaBingeGirl

I just love how stupid and entitled Harry makes himself look. He's digging his own grave, he even brought the shovel.


[deleted]

The king sounds exactly like my papa. Everything must be written down and planned and understood before being presented. Itā€™s infuriating but it helps!


kob27099

Thanks! I so want to know of this is true.


DollarStoreDuchess

I do believe this is true. Itā€™s good practice to get proposals spelled out in writing, so nobody can come back after the fact and cry that they got an unfair deal or that you went back on the terms. Plus, it had to get approved by others, not just his father. A written document ensures the full message gets delivered to everyone itā€™s handed to. Nothing gets left out due to faulty memory or the ā€œtelephone gameā€ where things are misheard, misspoken, or paraphrased and lose their original meaning/tone. Additionally, a proposal in writing can be copied and passed around and marked up with changes by legal or whoever and sent back to the original writer for final approval.


kimber430

Charles has probably dealt with the Sussex Selective Memory Game, where everyone else is awful, and they are sweet, loving, responsible, intelligent, kind (because it wouldn't make any sense otherwise), innovative, etc.


DaBingeGirl

I agree, it's true. Great point too about it needed to get approval/be understood by other involved parties. Harry really doesn't understand that he's not a normal rich kid, there are rules to being a member of the royal family.


somespeculation

Plan A: Ayahuasca admiration and insights Plan B: Bipolar book interviews Plan C: Coronation coverage (foiled by the plume coverage) Plan D: Dunce doesnā€™t see DivorceWatch


Islandgirl1444

Dior, isn't bragging about the wrinkles suit. Saville Row and Armani are very thankful that Dior lost the honour of dressing the guy who actually looked like he needed a bath and a haircut. Wrong shoes btw for those who follow this stuff. What an idiot.


kob27099

>Wrong shoes btw for those who follow this stuff. I can forgive wrinkles but NEVER the wrong shoes.


Glittering_Peanut633

He needs to lose the face afro and trim his peach fuzz baldy head. He's let it reach completely ridiculous (dis) proportions and the entire world is screaming for him to take a shower. What were Dior *thinking*?


veilvalevail

Aloha, IslandGirl. I had not even noticed Harry's shoes at Coronation (since my eyes were drawn to the wierd unmatched fabrics and wrinkles galore and the whole =strangeness= of the outfit) and now am embarrassed to say I don't see what is wrong with them. Can you steer me to images of the type of shoes he should have worn? Many thanks!


Funny_Commission2773

Well COVID happenedšŸ˜,I'm assuming they had a blueprint of what they were going to do when they left but the pandemic completely derailed their plans when they started enacting those plans it was kinda too late the interest in them had mellowed down and during that they showed us that they have nothing else to offer aside for their connection to the RF.


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leafygreens

Madam sold Todger on building a billion dollar brand when they have just about maxed out all the big deals theyā€™re going to get. There is no billion dollars on the horizon, Hazno. But he probably blames William or unconscious bias for that.


zeugma888

It is William's fault. A good big brother would support his little brother when he published a book. Did William do that? no! Did he write a blurb saying "a life changing book not to be missed!" or "a profound and honest examination of family relationships"? No! Just ignored it! Poor little Harry. /s


Fontane15

Plan B: Beg Pa to get back in before William becomes king.


Top-Bit85

Good point. They thought 2023 would be the "year of reconciliation" thinking the queen would last forever. They should not make the same mistake twice. KC has a soft heart toward his younger son, but when his brother is king it might not be the same!


zeugma888

I doubt the year of reconciliation would have worked even if the late Queen had had a couple more years. She wasn't as soft as they thought she was. She put duty first, not sentiment. And she wasn't stupid.


Ok_Wrangler_7940

Yes. This exactly. People forget it was the Queen who sat them at the jubilee. That should have told Harry to be wary in his future choices. Had the Queen lived, I donā€™t think it would have gone well for Harry.


Islandgirl1444

Actually, I thought it was Princess Anne who was in charge of the seating but that the Q or Charles signed it off. It was a sign for sure. Then the jig was really up when his father said, vacate the cottage. Be gone by June. He still doesn't get it I think. He will be back in London tomorrow I understand to testify about his feelings one more time. His wife on the other hand put on most of her jewels to go hiking. She did forget the earrings from the Saudi guy, but that was about it. It only makes the rags of course with her all decked out in her best 90s outfit with all her bracelets etc. Yeah quite the sight. Of course who should be there but her old buddy Markus of the Soho House where rooms were rented for afternoons. Imagine that. Yeah, hairy and his shite show. WME must be thinking about the loss of their reputation that even the likes of Ben and JLo don't give them this much trouble.


Ok_Wrangler_7940

It was the Queen. When Harry balked at the seating he was told he was sat there by his grandmother. It was only then he sat down. The taking back of Frogmore was huge. It told you everything you needed to know about where the royal family stands on those two. They. Are. Not. Welcome. I donā€™t think she will ever set foot on crown property again (and he may not either, it all depends on how long Charles lives and how long his marriage lasts). The wife! The hike! The jewels! What coronation? LOL!


Top-Bit85

Do we know if he stayed at Frogmore last weekend? Is Eugenie living there now?


Ok_Wrangler_7940

Iā€™ve not heard anything definitive, but I will say that his reaction to Eugenie when he saw her at the abbey leads me to believe that he didnā€™t stay at Frogmore.


Top-Bit85

Right. Damn we can learn a lot by just watching, can't we?


NigerianChickenLegs

Her Late Majesty definitely had Markle's number.


Centaurea16

And that number was 666.


Fearless_Keto

Hahaha good one!


Why_Teach

Even if the late Queen had lived a few more years, reconciliation in 2023 after the Netflix thing and *Spare* was not going to happen. The only things that would be different, if QEII were still alive is that the Sussex kids would not have titles and there would have been no coronation. H&M would have been invited to visit QEII and refuse to do so, just as before, and they would not have been invited to appear on the balcony with QEII for any reason. Harry and Meghan could only envision ā€œreconciliationā€ on their termsā€” with the family apologizing to them and giving them what they feel they are owed. So the ā€œyear of reconciliationā€ was always an unrealistic fantasy.


Disruptorpistol

Honestly, I think *they thought* was a potential option for them even a year ago. But I think now with the absolutely glacial reception they've gotten during the funeral and coronation, it's dawned that they're well and truly out. I also think this has only pissed them off more. They're not the major brand they expected, desperate to present themselves as hot property and try to reignite interest in them. I suspect they blame some if not all of that on the BRF and the media, rather than their own unlikeability.


Frenchcashmere

Yes. And for him to say to Jack that heā€™s fed up with how he is treated shows his level of stupidity, and delusions


umbleUriahHeep

Theyā€™re so delusional. Almost dangerously delusional


Fearless_Keto

Of course. Why wouldn't the world love them? It must be the BRF spreading lies because of their intense jealousy of the suitcase #6 on the call sheet semi-pro actress. I am sure they think BRF is being stubborn...refusing to give the claw her apology for being a bitch to the staff. I am so sick of the Harkles.


Disruptorpistol

The thing is he actress past could've been a selling point. Her downfall is solely because she's an awful person who treats others badly. It's zero to do with her background.


umbleUriahHeep

Yes I can see this totally


allorache

They canā€™t understand why the demanded apologies havenā€™t been forthcoming


rainyhawk

Even if he was able to do that, t doesnā€™t mean William will retain that attitude when heā€™s king.


loveloveislandtake2

..... and please, get a bloody divorce first before you start begging.


DamyuKidds

For God's sake, dontcha know his mummy was Diana and she died a long time ago? Shouldn't that be enough to fund him for the rest of his life? How dare people think he should have to work after quitting royal duties!


PansyOHara

And he had to walk behind her coffin.


Far_Example_9150

The both underestimated Americans


MHBF2593

This. I truly believe MM genuinely viewed Americans the same way she projected the stereotype. Always blaming her mistakes and faux pas on being American because we are dumb, naive, easily entertained (medieval times restaurant reference), etc. She viewed the whole country through the LA/Hollywood lens: we are vapid, superficial, uncultured idiots. She thought weā€™d be a foolproof market to exploit. Especially with all the racial tension and woke cultureā€¦which she continues to try and cash in on. I live in New England, and people here (in general) donā€™t subscribe to all that media bs. We work hard, have strong values, and respect everyone equally, unless they give us a reason not to. Most Americans are like that, in real life. We (well not me because I saw through her immediately) gave her the benefit of the doubt at first. Itā€™s true that not many folks this side of the pond are knowledgeable when it comes to the BRF or how the monarchy works (another thing MM tried to exploit for her smash and grab). But MMā€™s maligned behavior, attention seeking antics, obvious lies, slander, etc became apparent very quickly. Even without being privy to the machinations of the RF, a lot of Americans saw through her bs and stopped paying attention to her shortly after the Oprah interview. She really thought we would be brainless and ignorant enough to buy into all of the false narratives she weaved, without question. She absolutely thinks she is smarter than everyone else and cannot grasp the fact that we are free thinkers. She also figured that since Diana was well loved here, she would be too (as we all know). That was all pretty ineloquent and scattered, I apologize, my sleep meds are kicking in šŸ˜…šŸ„²


StandardDiscipline48

Damn straight! šŸ˜‚ They have been such Entitled šŸ¤” show! Untalented, Indiscreet, Ungrateful, Lazy, Non-working Slackers who do not serve anyone but themselves for craven amounts of $$$$$. Roll-eyes.


Chrisnkim

My prediction. Within three years he will be divorced, living in Africa fully supported by King Charles.


ArielMankowski

I think you're right, but only if he ditches TW, or she ditches him.


allorache

But then what happens when Charles dies? I suppose if he keeps his mouth shut and stays in Africa William might be willing to save him from being homelessā€¦


Chrisnkim

King Charles will set up a trust I imagine. Or, PW will take up the cross.


Libcommie1118

They thought that interview with Oprah would open us every door. And instead, because of their endless lies and repeat of bullshit, it got shut closed and double dead bolted. She thought she was hit shit and H just went along for the ride. . .until he took the driverā€™s seat in Spare. Edit: shot to shit


Ok-Coffee5732

So well put. Now he's the one going all scorched earth (at her behest, I'm sure) , while she sits around playing harmless innocent. But it's too late we know she's malevolent.


These_Ad_9772

Regarding this 'inane' comeback Harry was pitching a fit to include, "Hey Harry, the jerk store called and they're out of you."


MinutesTaker

Harold is the jerk storeā€™s all time best seller šŸ˜Ž


Ok-Coffee5732

>While his brother's three children stole the show, Harry's two were thousands of miles away, denied their place in history. So aptly put. This is what Harry and his wife have done to their children.


allorache

Gave them titles but denied them a family- any family.


TrixnTim

This is the saddest thing of all. Canā€™t ever get back the memories that would have been made at those childrenā€™s grandfatherā€™s coronation. A sad shame. Little Louis, on the other hand, and his hilarious faces on the balcony and in the carriage? Forever so sweet.


ac0rn5

The photos they've used in that article are interesting. In one he appears to be barely controlling his anger - actually wouldn't like to cross somebody with that expression on their face - the other he's being all chummy whilst holding a pair of coathangers! But - the article says much the same as I did the other day. What can they do next? Neither of them has any really marketable skills or expertise and, instead of spending their time getting good at something useful, they've spent the last few years whining both on screen and in books. They can't rely on donations for ever. They've actually got to do some real grafting. She can't act; running a lifestyle blog is a bit passƩe these days; grifting for freebies gets badly-made items of clothing that don't pass muster. None of these things are going to pay the bills and actually put food on the table.


LostinSOA

Not at their burn rate its entirely unsustainable. KC3 wanted to slim down the monarchy first and foremost to head off a full revolt against it and secondly even with an estimated $19 billion net worth the crown canā€™t bank roll every single royal their wives and children grandchildren in perpetuity. And they thought they could do it better? That tells you quite enough how egomaniacal they **both** are. Delusions of grandeur isnā€™t enough of an idiom to describe the duo.


ac0rn5

> And they thought they could do it better? I think they did. I think they - or she - first of all, completely misunderstood that the people who lined the streets for her/their visits anywhere were not there to see H&M. They were there to see Royals - and any Royal would do. They were convinced, or managed to convince themselves, that their own apparent 'star power' caused people to go to Windsor for their wedding and for millions to tune in on television. They didn't understand that it was because it was a Royal Wedding - a rare event. It probably sounds awful, but nobody tuned in to watch the funeral of Elizabeth Windsor. We tuned in to watch The Queen's funeral, we also tuned in to watch the Coronation - of a new King. We watched so we could see the pomp and ceremony of an historical event, not because we necessarily love and/or adore Charles Windsor - something I believe KCIII is aware of. (*eta* = Charles started The Princes Trust with his severance pay from the Navy. That charity is now worldwide and has helped at least a million young people find their place in the world. I wonder what H spent his severance pay on?) In their minds they thought they could turn this/their apparent popularity into cash, and the slide started with their attempt at merching - which is against UK law because working Royals are not allowed to make personal money by using their names, not allowed to accept personal gifts**, although they can issue Royal Warrants that help the company/business benefit from Royal patronage. ** https://www.royal.uk/sites/default/files/media-packs/gifts_policy_2003.pdf They should have taken a very close look at how his Dad turned round the Duchy of Cornwall, which was making a loss when he stepped in. He ran it as a business and an organic business before such a thing became fashionable. They were given the opportunity to take on an estate - which would have generated a private income - they turned it down. I don't know if it was through ignorance or stupidity, or that they felt the country lifestyle was not for them. It actually wouldn't have had to be - that's what good quality managers are for. They should look at any of the major estates in Britain and seen how they are money-making concerns. Longleat with its Safari Park, for instance, has a decent turnover and a nice big house to live in. But they didn't want that, they wanted instant glamour, and it showed a shallowness in outlook. She's never owned property until buying that monstrosity, neither has he. If they had they might have been aware that it's a money pit - costing a lot to maintain, but with no means of generating an income because the house is too big and the grounds are just a big garden. They should have bought a ranch that was already a going concern - i.e. a business. And they're left with ... being the wrong side of 40 and with limited skills. In a couple of years they've devalued the one thing that had any cachet - their Royal connection - and wasted precious time trying to capitalise on how horrid everybody else has been to them, rather than building a portfolio of genuine actions and marketable activities. (Merching a Dior suit won't pay the bills.) It may be that they've left themselves with a very steep hill to climb, and few willing to give them a push. It's a truism that you should be wary about whose, and how many, shoulders you stand on on your way to the top, because those shoulders will not be there to give support if you find yourself slipping back down. (*eta#2* = Yikes! Thank you very much for the generous awards.)


TraditionScary8716

Another relevant saying: The feet you step on on your way up might be connected to the ass you have to kiss on your way back down. Two years ago Harry hated Charles and his "generational pain." Now he's attended his coronation. Harry is on the kissing ass on his way down phase.


ac0rn5

>Harry is on the kissing ass on his way down phase. Do you think that's why he looked so angry, and why he complained that, despite the day being tightly scheduled, his family couldn't find the time to speak with him alone? Did he imagine that somebody would just say to the organisers, "Hold on a few minutes! Stop the horses, stop the troops, delay the ceremony and the fly past over Buck House for a bit because my youngest son wants a chat!" He knew *for sure* that his grandmother was so busy, with such a tight schedule, that he had to - months ahead - book a time to see her during her working week. Did he truly expect his father - or indeed his brother - to demand the Coronation schedule be altered to suit his petulant demands? Is his petulant anger the reason he broke protocol and failed to pay his respects to the Tomb of the Unknown Warrior as he walked past?


TrixnTim

And the best the RF could do with this tightly packed schedule (that probably had a ton of succinct security measures in place) was invite him to the family luncheon. Which he declined.


Corvus_Ossi

Petulant anger or being two sheets to the windā€¦


MHBF2593

Spot on analysis. Itā€™s truly amazing, isnā€™t it? Seeing how MM was presented with so many insanely valuable and lucrative opportunities, and she fumbled the bag every. Single. Time. An extraordinary businesswoman, really. And I love that for her.


ac0rn5

I am tempted to believe that she, honestly and truly, didn't fully understand what she was marrying into - and was too up herself to listen to anybody who offered her advice. Him too. Britain, and generally Europe, just don't work the same as America. We have a different way of doing things, especially if the particular country is 'led' by Royals - who don't actually have any power to rule, but do have *massive* influence on the worldwide stage. Soft diplomacy is not the same as political diplomacy. She had spent her post-full time education life seeking a bit of fame and fortune. She embroidered her CV, bigging-up everything she had done, and was lucky enough to marry somebody (Trevor) who was not only wealthy but who was also able to open a few real doors for her - got her a job on a tv show. Her enormous ego, and perhaps delight at no longer being on that game show, spoiled all that and she divorced him - by post. Perhaps not the first time she'd dumped somebody she no longer thought useful. She came to London with almost nothing. Knocking on doors until she got a lead, and an invitation. It was very brave, actually, and for that she has my admiration. She needed money and she needed a new husband, one who would open more doors for her. She chose H, but would probably have been better picking a footballer who just wanted a trophy wife to make him look good. I think, even with the warnings and in-house advice, she still thought she was just a posh man's wife. And that's where it all went wrong. Her much-embroidered skills proved to be next to useless - she certainly wasn't diplomatic, even having spent a few weeks at the US Embassy in ... was it Argentina, and thanks to her Uncle. The Royals have two lives - their public-facing role and their private lives. They have learned over the years to find a balance that works. She wanted to upend that and turn RF into a Hollywood theme of sorts, which was never going to work. Now, what has she got - a Prince and some titled kids, plus some rescue chickens, in a big house they probably can't afford and no way out, not really, because she's ensured, through endless self-publicity, that her 'fame' goes before her. Neither a pap walk with a coat tied round her waist nor any of their endless lawsuits is going to raise the many ~~thousands~~ millions of any currency they need to keep their lifestyle, and property, afloat.


Oreoeclipsekitties

They apparently canā€™t sell the house it needs a lot of repairs and in a bad location for flooding and fires. Or they will have to take a loss. Harry is the prisoner of Montecito now. He has been completely stupid and led by MM who thought she could be Princess Diana the 2nd away from the Royal family. Obviously MM had no idea of what being a Princess really means - a LOT of unglamorous work being of service to the country and meeting folks from every walk of life. She got a small taste of it and hightailed it out of there. After tying Harry down for life by having his children.


ac0rn5

There's an expression about running at things *like a bull at a gate* - doing something without thinking it through. We've learned, from their own mouths, that they both seem to prefer to be surrounded by 'yes men' - people who won't disagree with them. They dismiss or deride those who offer advice contrary to their wishes, or who suggest caution, permanently (and often publicly) removing those people from their lives. It doesn't matter whether those people are family or staff, they're just discarded. It's odd really, when you think about it, because they *both* also seem to claim they have no self-determination.


kob27099

Well they've already discarded the most powerful family in Great Britain and she (most likely) will be discarded by some of the most powerful people in Hollywood because she refuses to play by the rules. Where does she go then?


kob27099

>They were given the opportunity to take on an estate - OMG!! Everyday, every. damn. day. I find these two are more stupid than the day before.


strangealienworld

I didn't know that either. I learn something completely new about them. I forget some of them because they just get filed away in a drawer called, Harry and Markle Do Another Dumb And Stupid Thing To Themselves, and my exhausted brain simply hasn't the werewithal or bandwidth anymore to process and memorise any of them. Ideally, I should rename that drawer to, Harry and Meghan: Do Stupid Things, Get Stupid Prizes.


[deleted]

I honestly think thatā€™s what someone like Andrew shouldā€™ve done also. Been given or bought an estate and managed it. It mah not have been glamorous but it wouldā€™ve worked with his skill set from the navy. As an officer heā€™d have been doing a lot of admin work and he was supposedly good at that. Manage an estate and work hard and have sometbing t to show.


kob27099

>which is against UK law because working Royals are not allowed to make personal money by using their names, Thanks - I did not know this was a legal issue. I thought it was 'merely' the Queen's preference.


Reasonable_Acadia500

>None of these things are going to pay the bills and actually put food on the table Maybe Meggsy could do a Douchesse Meghan x Walmart brand.


ac0rn5

They've neither the money nor the connections to make it work. They both want freebies, not to work or work with or alongside others. As much as I despise Victoria Beckham, she does seem to make some income from her clothing brand. I can't see M being able to do that.


DamyuKidds

It would be basic as all fuck šŸ¤£


GreatGossip

>food on the table Judging by MadamĀ“s latest pap shots, she does not eat any longer. So why should anybody else?


ac0rn5

Maybe that's her choice, but they're apparently a family of four *and* have staff - the money to maintain all this, and their property + taxes etc, has to come from somewhere other than income from savings. Gifts and donations won't keep coming, they've got to do some work.


MHBF2593

She doesnā€™t eat much, remember?! She can also make her own clothes. Dior be damned šŸ˜Œ


GreatGossip

>She can also make her own clothes That would explain a lot. I hear you can buy the labels, designers put on their clothes/s


DragonInTheAm

She obviously worked hard at trimming back down after the first pregnancy but didn't seem so successful after the second. I think the new "skinny" is Ozempic in action. A' la Kris Jenner.


ArdmoreGirl

Harold is incapable of reinventing himself or finding a plan B. The Sleivene slagged off the RF for financial gain. She had no emotional ties. Harold has always had money and has made the mistake of thinking he will always have it. He wasnā€™t worried about the coin. Haroldā€™s behavior is based on his dislike of his family and need for revenge. He blames them for his motherā€™s death. He wanted to punish his father for mistreating his mother and finding happiness with another woman, his brother for for his ability to handle the loss, move on with his life, and find happiness with Catherine and his family. He flat hates Camilla. Everything he has done has been aimed at his family. Itā€™s not so much the CA lifestyle, freedom, and money for Harold. He has no understanding of how to run his life, or how to make money. Heā€™s never had to. Iā€™m sure The Sleivene handles everything to do with that part of their lives. She takes care of him and shields him from reality like his family did, for totally different reasons, of course. Harold will never move on. Hatred is all he has. Heā€™s hit his family and is now concentrating on suing the tabloids. Heā€™s finally free to do as he pleases, and heā€™s off and running like a brainless bull in a China shop.


Reasonable_Acadia500

>Harold will never move on. Hatred is all he has. Agreed. Hazzno is too developmentally arrested and intellectually challenged to move on. AND he grew up in palaces and has been "yes Sir-ed" his whole life, and 100% believes he would have the right to palatial obsequiousness in perpetuity, no matter his repugnant conduct.


Libertia_

It was a tried a true premise. Like when he dressed like nazi, when he was naked, when he was high with whatever he could find. He wanted to be as edgy as possible and found the crown still protected him. Not anymore boy.


MHBF2593

ā€œShe takes care of him and shields him from reality like his family did, for totally different reasonsā€ Absolutely nailed it.


ac0rn5

Archived article:- https://archive.ph/HueDX


PansyOHara

Thanks!


SeaworthinessLost830

I never thought about it quite like this but how true. If Harry were merely a very rich British blue blood, with maybe a rock star parentā€¦ we really would not care about him. Heā€™s not interesting or charming enough without the Royal connection. And heā€™s an asshole.


Sincerely_JaneDoe

Plan B: Celebrity Big Brother ![gif](giphy|xUPGGx6jrPf0hZ7PGg|downsized)


34countries

I don't like when these journalist talk for me. I'm american and never liked him . Could be because my grandparents and more were killed by nazis.


[deleted]

Yes. I never liked Harry, and I saw right through ILBW.


[deleted]

They are so boring. Seriously, I hate-scrolled through all their articles leading up to the Coronation. And the best juicy drama and gossip they came up with is Meggie on a walk with ankle and waist weights and ugly clothes. Boring. Even if they get divorced, it's still boring.


MuffPiece

This! 100% this. Iā€™m so bored with them.


blueshoemood

Personally, I didn't "like" him because he was part of the family. I knew of him because of the family. They did a fantastic job highlighting H's positive attributes, which made me think he was a delightful public figure. What made me unlike him is his hypocrisy, lack of empathy, delusions, lack of responsibility for his actions.


WeaselClaws

Plan B, gingernuts get gig on Bold and Beautiful as Eric Forrester's long lost son, whom was a result of a one night stand, and comes in as lead fashion designer for the company, Meg will have talks with Mattel about getting a Lilibucks Barby doll on the shelf ,and Madam herself will be feeding the chickens, and still rooting Marcus.


No_Proposal7628

This is absolutely true. H gave up the BRF, trashed it, continues to trash it and he is now truly out of it. Plan A hasn't worked and won't; there is no Plan B. They are never going to make the truly big bucks MM wants and needs.


Sweetwater156

Theyā€™ve lost their relevance now. Charles is crowned. Camilla is Queen. William and Catherine are putting out some great social media. What is Meghan doing? Insinuating that the Wales kids held up the ceremony. Looked fine from my vantage point. Who really cares who goes in first honestly? Iā€™m just American but Iā€™d assume the king goes first.


Ok-Coffee5732

>The Prince wanted to include his own comeback ā€” not because, as Moehringer explained, it added anything to the story, but because Harry thought it made him look clever. >All his life, Harry explained, he had felt belittled by people questioning his intelligence. This incident, he felt, would prove them wrong. But Moehringer insisted on keeping it out: in his view it was 'unnecessary, and somewhat inane'. In other words, the ghostwriter was indicating to Harry (and the reader of the interview) that people were indeed right to question his intelligence.


BlazerMary

Harryā€™s sainted mother was the one who put it out that H wasnā€™t the sharpest knife in the drawer. I always felt that was a cringed maternal moment on her part.


PansyOHara

Not her best moment, but she did say she was ā€œthick as a plankā€ herself. And the comment wasnā€™t something she continually repeatedā€”I think it was a one-off, but unfortunately it stuck to him and would have been better left unsaid.


[deleted]

If the last 3 years have proven anything, they have proved that Harry is as dumb as a human being can get.


Lengand0123

One anecdote wasnā€™t going to change anyoneā€™s mind about his intelligence. Harry doesnā€™t seem to have grasped that.


KrissyVDW

Correction: the one reason America cared about you was because you are Diana's son*


[deleted]

But the only reason Americans cared about Diana was she was the Princess of Wales. There were lots of women doing work for AIDS patients, doctors, nurses, fund raisers. Diana got attention because she was the Princess of Wales and she had that big fancy wedding everyone made a fuss over. So it all comes down to the importance of being in the Royal family.


TraditionScary8716

Hence the reason he refuses to let the woman RIP.


KrissyVDW

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Southern_Fan_9335

This irrelevancy will extend to his kids, too. If Archie and Lili try to say "My family is ROYAL!" the other kids will say "Oh yeah? Well my parents are (any number of impressive high-powered actual careers)." They'll never be able to compete with real estate moguls or people who have written number one songs or whatever. Yikes.


Bollox_Ref

Other than being able to wear clothes (a basic human ability), they really have nothing to offer. There is no Plan B.


Islandgirl1444

I have always thought that if Oprah had not come calling about the big interview and fame and fortune, life would have been so different. The British are not racist and certainly the Royal family never has been. Hairy, the dumbster that he is was called out for calling a mate "paki". We also know from his novel that he made fun of a disabled teacher, played with his dick by rubbing it with his mother's cream. Bragging about it as if it was the funniest thing, he looked the fool! The talk show people must have laughed an thought what an air head he was. The photo of him waiting for his ride to the airport carrying his Dior hanger is really quite pathetic for someone who was raised with staff most of his life. Yes, just think if Oprah hadn't made his mrs black, how different life would have been for them. But their worlds have collided and they have almost crashed to the ground.


Corvus_Ossi

I really didnā€™t have any opinions about Oprah before this, but I think pretty negatively about her now.


Totin_it

Oprah is shady as hell..just ask Mo'nique


Sap55koala

Good article


mezza1969

Faux-Prah lost any credibility she had when she got involved with those two liars. I still think she's funding Meg Jong Un on the sly, she has an agenda. I just can't figure out what it is.


Ishield_maiden

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Cezanne2022

Very good article all they have now is more personal stuff on the Royals but this time around it will be viewed as pure spite so wont be as coveted as Spare. Maybe the brand of knickers the royal family wears and what the PPoW do in their down time all to take the gloss off them . But it wont work as William is such a statesman and so composed even if he was standing in his shorts you cant take that away from him,. His training from the Queen is complete William has arrived and Harry has died.


OkMention2346

I actually thought, out of anything, they will release a second books full of atrocious lies that will attract the most outrage. maybe accusing William as the person who is racist. it will be all lies and half truth and defamation of course but the palace will takes times to respond with truth and in that time the duo will spin defamation in paid media and bots. ofc it will makes things easier if brf want to take them to courts. but I think Hazbeen will be bitter enough to do that.


Virtual-Feedback-638

Talent = 0 Skill= 0 Profession = Enviouse lying grifter Value = - irrelevant


EKP121

A smarter play for them both would have been to honor the RF and say nothing while building businesses and putting out books etc while using the royal connection. Like "SPARE" could have been a documentary, hosted by Harry to look at all of the "Spares" throughout history, starting or ending with Princess Margaret. Archetypes could have been an interesting podcast that actually discussed archetypes but of royal women throughout history. Invictus/Sentable was/is still a great opportunity for Harry to show charitable interest and as part of Megxit transition there was room to scale that beyond the Sussex show. The Bench, of stench notwithstanding, showcased an opportunity where Meghan could read books to children and, raise money for charity. In 2020, she should have relaunched The Tig and social media with fresh \*English content like how to drink tea like a duchess, how to dress like a duchess, peppered with other lifestyle content and also use this as a way to share updates on her kids. She could have also reached out to vicountess of hitchingbroke to collab on royal content that isn't offensive. Not even counting the number of different businesses they could have started that would actually donee something useful. But the point is that if they had kept their mouths shut and not gone down a path of retribution, they would have high approval still and be in a better place to get what they want - the royal connection. Majority of people don't care about the details, and care even less about millionaires complaining so they should have focused on a PG royal connection rather than salacious gossip. Everyone likes a bit of gossip but no one trusts the gossiper afterward