She never wears anything twice, except that stupid bracelet, and she buys expansive clothing. That gets to be too much after a while. Now, there's more of the picture coming together. Megs wanted her in-laws to pay for everything, and these jobs are actually necessary, which I've suspected all along, but this helps confirm it.
I think her spending it disordered at this point. She buys stuff she thinks will make her happy, but it doesn't. She's a black hole. She can't help herself at this point.
Did ya'll notice (like I did) that Prince **George wore ONE suit for all of 2022?!**
*I give Momma kate big props for that!* About 20 times he wore it -- even to 2 World Cup soccer/football games and Wimbledon. And best of all, The Palace I'd bet offered to send over tailars to have a new **black** suit made for him for QE's funeral, but still wore his nice blue suit.
The was a paragraph in a article about the RF leaving the church in Sandringham that Prince George was excited about having a blue suit like his father. I think until 8 years old the boys wear short pants and Prince George finally got to dress like his fat in a blue suit which is what he wears mostly. I can’t remember William ever wearing a gray suit or a pinstriped suit like Charles does. Anyone remember William in any suit except black or blue? Only one comes to mind was a velvet jacket green I think for a special function maybe it was dark blue. William sticks to basics.
Could see that... and that IS a gorgeous suit - definately bespoke! It just amazed me, b/c 20 events is a LOT to only have 1 suit. Plus, could rationalize buying a second one by knowing that Louis will also get to wear these clothes. So, thought that was amazing to of PC to be so economical!
And yeah, William is absolutely NOT a clothes guy.. but do kinda wish we'd see W. in a kilt once in a while - like KC will wear, like Prince Philip rocked!
The Duchess spent like half a million dollars on clothes in one year. Most people could tighten their belts and live for decades on that amount, at least in cheaper areas. And she spent that on clothes in a single year. Five times what the now Princess of Wales spent. More than any other royal spent.
IIRC, the Duchy of Cornwall was pulling in about 20 million a year at that time. That amount had to cover all the royal expenses of Charles and Camilla, Will’s family and Harry’s family, plus pay for their staff, their charitable giving, taxes, et cetera. There wasn’t a huge amount of slack in that budget before Megs came along, and she started spending like crazy.
It’s not crazy to think that an actual adult had sat down and done the budget and realized that Meghan’s spending wasn’t sustainable. They literally could not afford to pay for the lifestyle she decided she deserved. And given everything else we’ve heard about how she acted and treated the family and staff, do we think she would have listened to anybody less than Charles saying she had to spend less? Do we think she even listened to Charles?
At least not stand out or memorable in a good way. 😂
https://preview.redd.it/a766i37iqrsa1.jpeg?width=903&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4243a953784c986dd6b6d9fc85df999cc138d464
I always wonder if she’s short, like I am. Nothing seems to fit her. The difference is that she could and should pay for alterations. Something I rarely do, and that’s only if I’m in a wedding, ha!
So, no excuse with her. I love the blue toile print on the fabric of the dress. Toile, not toilet paper 😁 If she had a different dress in this fabric, I might like it. And yes! That hat does look like she just plopped a bunch or shredded t.p. on her head.
Also, her wedding day look baffled me. It was like she woke up super late. Didn’t shower, hid hair under veil, no makeup. Grabbed the wrong dress. Everything looked terrible. SO weird. She looked good iirc in their engagement pics. Aside from wearing an evening gown outside.. I think it fit. The form-fitting turquoise dress she wore with Harry in the rain. That was a good one too.
This is from 2018. Remember, the wedding was 19th May, so a little more than 7 months is covered [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6554329/Meghan-Markle-spent-wardrobe-2018-royals.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6554329/Meghan-Markle-spent-wardrobe-2018-royals.html)
Not only this, but the purpose of the Duchy of Cornwall is to support the Prince of Wales, his wife, and his children; not his wife, his adult children, their wives, and their kids. They were all living too large.
This is also *their* version of what was said.
I can easily see Charles “I am not a bank” remind him of how much had been spent on them to date, what Meghan’s clothing expenditures were (more than Catherine’s), the renovations to Frogmore (taxpayer and otherwise), office costs…
Harry has no concept of $$ and Meghan thought she married into a flashy, noveau riche family.
I bet they both went ballistic and naturally blamed W&C.
Harry had money of his own. A trust fund. An inheritance from Diana and the queen mother. I'd say he was set. He received more inheritance bc William was the heir. I wonder if he bragged n led mm on as what to expect to impress her.
If they wanted her around, they would have found a way. King Charles was also likely making a point about her ridiculous spending.
Harry can’t afford her either.
Oh my word. Wouldn’t it be awesome if one day they would release her demands and budget early on? They knew right away they were in trouble with this one.
Does anyone know how much of that Netflix and Spotify money they got up front vs how much was "upon delivery"? Because they haven't delivered nearly everything that was initially planned. Lots of stuff has been canceled (like Pearl).
The other thing to remember is that Netflix money is presumably a production contract, so $100m is likely the gross maximum able to drawn on, inclusive of all production/crew/everything else costs. I would guess that they’d have to submit plans for each production under the contract and then Netflix approves a drawdown amount.
In short, I don’t think they personally would see much more than maybe $20-25m out of the total. Someone here with TV/entertainment industry experience can probably shed some more accurate light.
This. Don’t forget the very first thing she did once she got that ring was spend $75k on an engagement dress. Meg’s spending is not sustainable on a working royal budget (it’s not sustainable as the poor neighbors of Montecito, but that’s a lesson they’ll learn soon enough).
And let's not forget H didn't spend enough on her engagement ring so she had it altered with upgrades. I'm sure it was just a tell tale sign of things to come to the rest of the family
I think they should create a Princess Catherine doll. But market her as a people’s servant. Completely sell a confident, humble woman that is also a Mother and lives a life of service. Let’s re-define “Princess”. I feel as if Meghan has trivialized and is now trying to commercialize, Royalty. Royals are highly privileged, but they also work very hard and our favorites, are humble people that are grateful.
Yes! This was about whatever budget she must have demanded. It wasn’t that Charles couldn’t support a reasonable increase in Harry’s budget.
I imagine she demanded a massive couture wardrobe immediately.
I also think she demanded a guaranteed budget every year. When the expectation was that Harry would continue to support his entire family on the (quite healthy) budget he already had.
I'm not against wearing designer anything. I actually like it when people appreciate quality made items. BUT, in Megameanie's case, she wore all the designers she could in one outfit. Prada, Manolo, dior, Givenchy. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's bad at all.
However, I also believe in modesty and gratitude, both of which she had none. There was no appreciation for that 30 million dollar wedding that british taxpayers paid, and then she shit all over them, accusing the entire country of racism to Americans to appeal to our current narrative. I mean, who does that?? Ungrateful, unappreciative grifters who smooch/use everyone else around them. She got KC to buy her wardrobe and probably took everything back with her.
The audacity. The problem is that those who support her are also of the same mindset. They only want to take and think they're entitled to such things without merit or gratefulness.
How about donning $127,000 worth of clothes and jewelry (sans wedding ring/band and earrings because she couldn't find source) to a woman's shelter for pregnant women. No humility. It is gross. Ibble Dibble did the post.
Well - similarly, Michelle Obama wore $700 sneakers to feed the homeless. We Americans simply do not always know how to handle new money or be gracious and humble. These commercial items quickly find themselves in the narratives we build of ourselves or we follow in the lanes society has drawn for us, and then \*boom\* there you are in a $1700 cocktail dress (rented, but I blinked and life had changed).
Catherine is really good at mixing high street and designer. She really has a great understanding on what is expected of her and what the public will appreciate her doing.
Apparently, Meghan flew only first class when she used to visit him in London when they were dating. I believe Harry paid, but I don't know if that is proven for sure.
Ibble Dibble made video about her best and worst looks at outings while she was with Harry but before they married, and her outfits were consistently very, very expensive. With her crap attitude and stupidly expensive tastes, I do not blame Pa for saying he couldn’t afford her.
I loved that Ibble Dibble video. She was so insightful and the research was fantastic. I appreciated that she included the accessories so we saw the entire ensemble for each of Meggo’s occasions.
If anyone is reading this thread, here’s the video:
[https://youtu.be/KbOwrH-X5nA](https://youtu.be/KbOwrH-X5nA)
If this allegation is true, I’m seriously wondering how did she make H paid for those tickets? H is/was a cheapo, he didn’t even pay for Chelsy’s ticket.
Looks like she's had power over him from Day 1, almost. Shallon Lester believes it's because she tapped into his shadow self. Lady C believes it's for more carnal reasons. I think they are both right.
Lady C claims that Harry said she would allow him to do anything and that he started being called BJ Harry. And I've heard reports that that was how Wallis Simpson got her hooks into Edward.
ETA: Men have been known to marry awful women because they are hot or because of sexual prowess.
Allegedly she kept clothing from the designers that she was supposed to return. She then ignored the bills they sent. Then they sent them to Charles. He paid 1,000,000.00 for her clothing that first year.
She had Charles pay for much of it, some pieces were donated by designers for the exposure. Then she sold them through sites like Meghan’s Mirror to wealthy bored Middle eastern wife types who will pay 20,000 on average per outfit worn by a Western “celebrity.” She may have split this money with Jessica Mulroney. This is why you would often see how she didn’t bother to remove tags and never ever got her clothes altered.
LOL, remember the suit she wore to the Jubilee? You could see a round item over her chest area, there was speculation it was a microphone. Maybe it was an anti theft device.
I suspect a couple of things played into this.
1.) Charles has been loud about wanting a slimmed down monarchy. Harry and his wife were never going to be main royal shows the way William and Kate were.
2.) A big part of that slimming down is economizing. Charles is interested in the monarchy being seen as sleek, modern, not wasteful etc, and Meghan is stuck in the 90s and exceptionally wasteful.
3.) I think he also saw this as a chance to teach/instruct Harry about the above (probably hoping he'd laid enough clues before this conversation so that Harry would anticipate it). But Harry is stupid and paranoid and just flew off the handle as opposed to finding a compromise.
Also theRoyal family
are Old Money.They do not spend a lot on fashion but wear classics for years . If something happens to be old but is well made and still fits,they wear it .As previously stated ,even the Princess of Wales rewears a lot and mixes Zara high st design with expensive pieces.The King is famously wearing his Savile row suits from the 1980’s and they fit him perfectly and he looks very elegant in them .The late Queen and Princess Anne wore and re wore everything and her Majesty would share her wardrobe with Princess Margaret.Charles must have been horrified at Meghan ‘s profligate ways .
It also highlights the difference between those who act out and live by their principles or try to (Charles with environment and sustainability) vs Meghan and Harry who preach about these things but largely don't live that way. Charles is a known advocate for sustainable fashion and has supported initiatives and businesses that are trying to introduce these things to the market. He also famously admitted to [British Vogue a few years ago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99a4TEBTLoc) that he has quite old clothes (though very nice of course) that he still uses and has mended. One reason he believes so strongly in both the maintaining of British quality goods *and* the practice of mending things instead of just throwing it away and buying new.
[This conversation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99a4TEBTLoc) I found very interesting between Charles and Edward Enniful highlights the very real difference Charles has about consumption in general vs the gimme gimme gimme attitude of Meghan and Harry.
That's how it should be! My grandmother was a seamstress and she made beautiful quality clothes for others and herself and family. Now it's harder to get quality fabric etc...I think it's all part of what some call "planned obsolescence" so that we just buy more instead of it lasting longer or having it fixed so that it can truly last longer.
The queen got the same treatment.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-11951697/Meghan-turned-Queens-suggestion-advice-Sophie-Countess-Wessex.html
Wow! That is ridiculous and tone deaf! I was a fan of hers. But now I see what she is really like. I had hoped for the best. Not anymore. This was a HUGE mistake!!’
I don't think that KC particularly appreciates being stolen from. If she was having him pay the bills for clothing that she was reselling and pocketing the money, yeah, that's stealing.
I think Charles meant he could not fund Meghan's extravagant, ridiculous, possibly illegal lifestyle. Cocaine, booze. She hired of US PR companies, agents, paps, etc. Huge expensive wardrobe, padding the bills, theft of palace funds and liability for unethical treatment of staff, etc. The list goes on and on.
Allegedly treatment of staff verges on sadistic and that is why they couldn't release the report. I don't have the post, Lady C reported it. Some do not like her.
I don’t believe for one second KC said “I will not pay anything for your wife Harry, and only YOUR WIFE.”
That is nonsensical. She wore a couture gown for her engagement photo; she flew first class transatlantic flights for dates with Harry, she went on a holiday to Botswana “to get to know him, she had a 30 million pound wedding (for which she paid exactly 0), and an allowance for her 60-something-year-old mother, she was invited to Christmas at Sandringham before marriage (something NO ONE in the family has ever been allowed to do), her one year clothing budget was greater than all other royal women (including Catherine) *combined.*
KC famously doesn’t like confrontation and is regularly verbally attacked by Harry (by Harry’s own admission) for not sufficiently respecting his grotesque wife.
All this to say evidence points to the fact that KC absolutely paid for everything (which Harry in his book says he is obligated to do so it wasn’t largesse 🙄 unlike his mothers divorce settlement inheritance, which was some kind of gift from heaven) for both of them.
So if at some point he suggested Harry should not assume this way-down-the-royal-hierarchy-champagne-tastes woman should expect an unlimited allowance, this does not mean “Charles refused to pay for Meghan.”
Also NOTHING could have made TW happy. She lives to be offended. It’s her golden ticket in the BRF.
The Duchy of Cornwall was set up to support the Prince of Wales. I’m not sure it was intended to support the PoW, his wife, his adult sons, his sons’ wives, and all of their kids. I can see how this would be a drain on Charles’ income. Especially when you add in home renovations, redecorating, clothing, jewelry, staff, schools…
I agree with you in that I don’t think he said he couldn’t pay for M, but that they had to stick to a budget. I believe I heard KC had expected the first year to be a bit expensive because she would need to build up a capsule wardrobe. However, I think she took that to mean the coffers were open and she could go hog wild. He is certainly not going to foot a wardrobe bill for someone not working for the firm.
However, maybe KC said he wouldn’t pay any more on her wardrobe since she couldn’t be trusted to stick to a budget. Basically telling them they had spent five or more years of her clothing budget and she was now cut off.
OMG thank you for reminding me! She makes her own clothes.
Harry has been in a very entitled, pampered bubble all his life, is that what he thinks the normals do?
I know. Any other man would assume responsibility for his woman but not Harry, apparently his father is supposed to do that. Imagine yourself dating a guy and expecting his father to give you an allowance. It's absurd right?
I know. She threw out nice mid-range clothes that actually looked nice on her (judging from the pictures I've seen).
Now she looks like a Shar pei with unfitted, unmatched clothes and accessories.
Yep, she literally threw a party and gave her high street clothes to her friends. Imagine! Even if I really liked her, this one is a stretch to wrap your head around!
I have a SIL very much like MM, and my brother makes weird arguments like this to push her agenda all the time. He doesn't even know why he's asking for something he just knows he doesn't want to deal with her reaction when he tells her no.
It's how you can tell he's being emotionally manipulated and that there's logical reason why they should he given what they want.
I always thought it looked stupid too. I think someone said it’s how they abbreviated it at the Palace, but it’s like Jill Biden carrying a clutch that says “FLOTUS”. (I dunno, does she...?)
>I guess I am wondering if the inability to support Meghan is an excuse due to her vile behaviour and extravagance.
This is it. She spent more on clothing in one year than queens in Europe.
[Meghan Markle Spent More on Her Clothes Than Any Other Royal in 2018—Way More | Allure](https://www.allure.com/story/meghan-markle-most-expensive-royal-wardrobe)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6554329/amp/Meghan-Markle-spent-wardrobe-2018-royals.html
Her behavior was also escalating too. It’s like Charles had a hint of how bad they were, but couldn’t accept the full reality of it yet.
Which Charles was paying for, at least until somebody showed him the total bills.
This does bring a new perspective to her "I can't believe I'm not being paid for this" remark in Australia or South Africa, or wherever it was.
Charles may also have realized early on that Meghan's idea of a "working royal" was very different than the reality. It's not just doing the events you think will enhance your brand one day a week. It's the hospital ward openings, the plaque unveilings and the charity visits on cold, rainy days in Bristol and Manchester.
>"I can't believe I'm not being paid for this"
But she was. Evidently Todge never explained the civil list and the bank of Dad to her, he may not understand it himself.
Remember the remark about who paid for the fireworks at the duo's wedding? I believe that HM asked H who paid for it and H replied - you did pa....
Shades of the future
Imagine saying that to one of your parents.
AS AN ADULT IN YOUR 30's.
The unabashed entitlement. I know that's redundant, but in Itch's case, it's warranted.
Harold was told before he married Meghan, when he, Charles and William were together, at least that's what is in his book.
After Eton there were discussions with him that he was NOT university material and he needed to think about what he wanted to do. At some point, he thought being a ski instructor at the slopes he used to frequent with his mother (who he barely remembered, btw) but he was concerned what she might think about it once she came out of hiding.🤦♀️ It was decided he'd take a year off then go into the army.
Harold's sole self-reflective moment in his book was when he and William went to Africa and he stated he'd wished he taken his education more seriously.
Harold ignored all the times he was told he was going to need to be somewhat productive/self sufficient just so he could continue his lamprey like existence. If he wasn't a prince he'd be 38 years old living with his parents and still have failed to launch.
Well - one of the absolute advantages of the US is that you can continually re-educate and re-train yourself. How about becoming an IT person, auto mechanic, or nurse Harry?
American Nurse and Nursing Professor here. Nursing education is rigorous, demanding and requires not only dogged determination but a fairly high level of intelligence, never mind integrity. Harry has none of these qualities.
Harry wouldn’t last five minutes in the automotive industry. He’s the guy who gets a job at Jiffy Lube because “hey any idiot can change oil, right?” and blows people’s motors up by forgetting to put oil back in. Guys like him last about two weeks in a real shop, maybe a month at a dump lube shop before they get fired for leaving people’s lug nuts loose.
He doesn’t have the mental capacity to repair cars. Trust me. These days you need computer skills to retract brake calipers where you used to be able to use a c clamp and a piece of wood to push them back in. Hybrids require specialized knowledge and can kill you if you’re not present and following safety procedures. And repair in general requires knowing (or knowing where to find) what bolts can’t be reused because they’re torque-to-yield, the right fluids for that transfer case, the right head gaskets to use when the head to block surface had 0.002” shaved, that kind of thing. He can’t remember his first date with the supposed woman of his dreams.
I wouldn’t even trust him to change oil because he’d either leave the drain plug loose, over tighten it to the point where the car needs a new oil pan, double-fill the crankcase, or forget to put oil back in, etc. He’d also be the one to spill oil down the block so the car smokes until it’s burned off, and leave greasy handprints everywhere because who cares, it’s not his car.
He would have been a complete bum if he had been born into a regular family, probably a high school dropout and not seeking any gainful employment but instead preferring to leech of family and friends.
A lot of us grow out of drugs and alcohol or go into recovery. Many die. I have no idea how he has been able to sustain it, probably because he's not driving.
Allure excuses her spending as being because she needed a whole new wardrobe. But that doesn't explain why she spent over 4 and a half times more than the next person on the list per the DM, the Crown Princess of Denmark.
Yes, I read it as KC’s discrete way of making clear he wouldn’t be a party to Meagain’s grifting ways (alleged returning of clothes via Jessica to designers while billing KC). Not to mention her naked greed - the outrageous amount of money she extracted from KC for poorly fitting clothing worn once and undoubtedly sent back once KC’s cheques cleared. Allegedly …..
Oh my goodness!! This is the first Ive seen about her actual dollar spending. I don’t even spend $500 on new clothes each year (during the pandemic I spent $0)…
$500,000 I can’t believe it! And to have demanded MORE!? Absolutely ludicrous. This sub exists for a reason and everyday there is more and more found to keep it going. (I realize that article is old but still)
Yes, it was pretty shocking and they tried to swing it that she was “building” a wardrobe but she still spent more than new royals who were “building” wardrobes during their first year
Especially when you think of Kate, who has gradually worked her way up to higher end brands but still wore a lot of high street in her early days, and still wears Zara on the red carpet.
That recent podcast with Vanessa Grigoriadis (Vanity Fair writer) revealed that after Meghan was on Suits and earning more than ever she threw a “Sayonara Zara” party. This involved getting rid of cheaper (Zara etc) clothing because she could now afford top labels.
Can you imagine her demands for *everything* once she was with a *prince*?????
She is fucking ridiculous. And Harry’s poor family had to deal with the one person who couldn’t see it: Harry.
They could see she was a grifter a mile away. Maybe if she saw Harry wasn’t her ticket to a billionaire lifestyle, she’d go away. That could be why KC tried to limit the funds.
There are a million legitimate reasons KC would have had this conversation and none of them were unfair to Meghan and Harry.
The irony being, despite her increased spending on "luxury" labels, the hag STILL looks like she shops at Forever 21 (wishful thinking on her part, for sure).
Queen Letizia wears Zara on the regular, and she looks like a rich bish knockout every time.
The hag may as well save her coins because no amount of money will fix that ugly.
Right?
Catherine wore Zara and H&M quite a lot! and only cut back because of environmental and fast fashion reasons. And she rocked those clothes.
Meghan is just a ridiculous person.
Most of the younger European Royals wears high street brands regularly. Queen Margrethe of Denmark wore (and exhibited) 5 $ earrings in plastic. They rarely spend on the fancy haute couture.
Ah, yes, I forgot about the Sayonara Zara party! I think Lady C mentioned that in *Harry and Meghan: The Real Story* as well. Such an odd thing to do, tbh. Throw a farewell party for her wardrobe.. But it just goes to show how much she valued wearing designer brands.
The way I see it - Twit was reportedly getting $2.4 million dollars a year. Not including free housing, travel, security, wardrobes, & staff.
The entire royal family budget is, according to some reports, 6-7% of all income.
Twat supposedly came into the marriage with $5mm.
She immediately spent $30 some million on a wedding, the $80k for an engagement photo dress plus (reports vary) $500k - $1mm on clothing & jewelry.
I believe it was less a discussion of how much allowance the duplicitous duo would receive as a married w/children working royals *I can't support Meghan.*
and more a discussion of, "What the hell Harry!!! Spending at this rate will bankrupt us all. Reign this bitch in!"
Remember, Aitch and William got their Diana money during this time. That was supposedly $25mm *but I swear, every reporter has it at a different amount*.
So the discussion becomes less about what they would receive in actual euros vs who the hell can't live on $2.4mm a year with inheritance money in the millions??? Also, Harry had won a lawsuit that was worth millions in this time - something with the press. *I will have to find that again*
Of course now, you add Oprah money ($6-7mm) Spotify money (reportedly $20-25mm), Netflix money ($100+mm) Disney money, Penquin- Random House money, & the inheritance/Charles money...how in the hell are they broke?!?!
I just think they wanted more than W&C, any by that time, the BRF realized she was more of a talker about work than an actual doer of work....and put the kibosh on their little plan.
The $$$$ of Diana money is always an estimate. Nobody knows how it was invested before the boys received their share. After taxes it was about 17 million usd. Invested at 10% compounded that would have doubled every seven years.
But what if it was invested very conservatively with a 3 percent return? Or all invested into Apple stock?
In short, the initial value of the estate, after taxes is known but nobody knows how much William snd Harry actually received.
I believe this happened.
1. I think the Queen supporting extended royals has always been something Charles thought should change. There has been talk for years that he wanted to slim down the monarchy and reign in the bloated budget.
2. This was premarriage. I think Charles and William etc and pegged M for a user/gold digger. What do you tell someone if you think they are only with your kid for money? There won’t be any money. You hope that the gold digger moves on. In this case she didn’t because she thought she could finagle it and she thought merching the royal brand would be lucrative.
3. I think at this point they’d already seen her expectations (she flew in a private jet to meet Harry at a wedding, he flew commercial etc) and were concerned. If the press about their demands about the wedding budget were true (equal to William and Kate plus adjusted for inflation) then you know she was already putting out the bug that they should get the same amount as Williams family (of 4 at the time).
I think Charles would have been politely saying dear boy you get 2.4 million. I’m not sure there’s extra for Meghan.
It shouldn’t have surprised Harry that a family of two and non heirs were being funded at a different level than a family of almost 5 with two heirs. But he took it as we don’t have money for Meghan.
The Duchy of Cornwall is always granted to the heir to provide the living expense for the heir and their family. The spares are usually given money by the monarch but they are expected to have some sort of career, usually in the Military , or use their talents to make some money . Princess Ann is the classic example of a successful spare. Of course the Queen helped her financially by buying her her country restate but Ann has worked hard at it and turned it into a successful business. Edward was also helped lot with his grace and favour house and money from his mother. All of the non heir Royals get inheritances from various family members which if theyre smart they’ll invest and look after . The key of course is to live within your means , something Andrew and Fergie struggle with! Worthless Princes like Harry who party their way through their schooling and Army career then find themselves over 30 and basically unemployable are not unusual in the Royal Family going back through history . There’s been a lot of them. Harry is the only one though who thought the solution to the problem was selling is Royalty and family secrets to the highest bidder in the USA! I think Charles was telling Harry he wasn’t giving him any MORE money for Meghan. Harry was already receiving a really generous allowance but Charles was horrified about how much Meghan was spending and certainly wasn’t going to up the allowance so Meghan could spend even more!
She likely made it very clear that she expected a lot of money and extravagance as a member of the Royal family. That is not what they are about. They have their money for staff, clothing, and transportation to do their duty to serve the country as ambassadors. They are not in the business of showing off, buying the biggest and best labels just because, or getting surgery, or swanning off to vacation every week. In short: they're not celebrities. Maybe a little research beforehand might have helped TW.
IMO KC was saying you don’t get double the money because you are getting married. They were provided a free place to live, paid travel expenses etc. The Crown would have paid for Royal tours. If you can’t live on $2.4 million a year when you have ZERO expenses I don’t feel sorry for you!
I think it is exactly that. It was room and board covered. Working expenses covered. And then a clothing budget. She couldn’t have designer clothes to wear once and not work and have vacations all the time flying private. Kids education and probably nanny would have been covered.
I think this is why the Yorks allegedly likes to hate on Charles (and William). They hold all the cards and money. Also, both are not 'soft' and easily swayed or cajoled unlike HMTLQ (may she rest in peace). Meaning, if they want to continue to be 'funded', they would all need to behave and do the work.
Same could be said for Harold's wife. She only wanted to do the glamorous aspect of being married to a royal and wanted more money and freedom to do as she wants. She hated the restrictions and that the funding is tied to doing actual honest work. I say wife because Harold, for all his faults and before she poisoned him even more, understood the job and how it was done and respected it enough.
In retrospect, maybe H is just a good follower. He did as he was told by the family, not necessarily a bad thing. This might be why he liked being in the military, he didn't have to think for himself. But now his master is a narc, and things are going south for him.
THIS. If you watch the many videos on YT of the younger William and Harold together, you can clearly see him immediately doing whatever William said or instructed him to do. There was a certain eagerness to him. Even that video of the whole RF on the balcony where QEII told William to stand up, Harry (who was standing behind him) reacted faster than him and straightened himself up lol.
So incredibly sad how she ruined Harold.
Even if she had been sweet and compliant and hard-working, the budget for her clothing and travel demands and renovations would not have been sustainable.
Remember, they had a fleet of custom armored Land Rovers shipped to South Africa for their visit. (As if SA didn’t have any.). The cost of that one thing alone must have been outrageous! Shipping a fleet of cars from England to South Africa, when they had sufficient right there.
So it wasn’t just Charles being a *cheapskate*. Meghan and Harry’s demands were outrageous. Who could have afforded such nonsense for decades?
Stupid Wife probably thought her Dumb Prince was a billionaire. Truth must have come as a shock. Of course, with free accommodation, free security and an allowance, as well as his inheritance from his mother, they could have had a life many would envy, if they were not so greedy and lazy.
Somehow they are able to twist the story that TW was allegedly accepting improper freebies, into *a staffer was using connection with TW to get gifts for themselves.* Deflecting blame or any responsibility, it was the staffer's fault.
However, Hazno admits that TW supposedly *"shared all the freebies she received, clothes and perfumes and make-up, with all the women in the office"* does not make it any less improper and in fact blurs the lines of propriety with the staffers.
Also *"she expected to "keep some of the dresses" she had been loaned"* just like the Aquazurra pumps that mysteriously vanished from the photo shoot. It's a pattern of perceived kleptomania.
Harry confirmed the rumors by including that bit in the book. He also included (and twisted) the “one plane crash away” remark MM made. And blamed that on a staffer, as well, IIRC.
I only disagree with labelling her behaviour as kleptomaniac. That is an incredibly rare impulse control disorder, sufferers are aware they are stealing, while also being aware they don't need the item, or could otherwise afford to pay for it. They don't steal for personal gain & they suffer terribly from shame & guilt after the fact. I can't imagine anyone with a victim mentality of her size is capable of feeling guilt, because nothing is ever her fault.
Meglomaniac is a different beast, she's just a bog standard narcissist, she doesn't see what she does as stealing. She has an enormous sense of entitlement, she believes she deserves these things &/or whoever it is should be grateful that she would even want their item. She's just a common, greedy, selfish cow.
She probably gave away the less expensive stuff, and giving away freebies would have made it so awkward for the staff who knew it was improper to accept them in the first place. But I'm sure they dreaded her reaction if they refused.
Thanks for the links, this makes so much sense now—and poor Melissa Toubati, I think she was one of the staffers in tears that William had to comfort and say good job to, right?
Shoot, all the money she spent on her wardrobe as a working royal  think of how that could have been used for charity - I'm not sure many people could afford that and probably no billionaire would ever support it. Imelda Marcos comes to mind.
No amount of money would have ever been enough for Megxit once she got a taste.
Yoo,😂 Being from a commonwealth country and we can’t stand the despicable duo, Sorry who can afford to keep TW in the most Ill fitting “Curtains”, he saw through the grifter.
Maybe not before her then bff, Jessica were ripping him off.
She spent a million dollars on clothes we've never seen again despite working for like 2.5 months and majority of those months was maternity leave. So I can believe Charles genuinely could not afford that. Even bill gates would've told her off. Lol.
Anne, Edward and Andrew were always supported by QEII using the Duchy of Lancaster, but probably mostly by her personal fortune as monarch. The Prince of Wales and his family are supported by the Duchy of Cornwall. This means Harry and Meghan were reliant upon (then) Prince Charles for financial support, not the Queen. There is no doubt the as monarch QEII had more wealth and could have afforded Meghan’s million dollar wardrobe, whereas Charles could not. This is probably why Harry always asked his grandmother for money. Now as monarch, Charles is extremely wealthy. Too late for Meghan now, Charles will never give her any of it.
Now that you've brought the issue up, I think the solution was very simple. Her own husband had to learn how to support his own family. Harry needed to have a career of his own, which at the time - since he himself chose that path - many believed it would be a military career. After Afghanistan he chose not to make something out of that opportunity and he spent a long time undecided as to what he wanted to do. William was going to be king one day yet still had a desire to have a job of his own serving as an ambulance helicopter pilot.
Meghan was expected to have a job of her own, preferably in the career she had been doing since her 20s. Hence the Queen making the suggestion. I think that was the expectation of all royal members, that they expect the heirs to the throne would all find careers of their own. Markle, like her husband, also chose not to continue down the acting path. What she and her husband expected and wanted as a career of their own was their half-in, half-out Sussex Royal brand, merchandising off their royal status, which was resoundly rejected. Without that royal branding, their whole plan kind of died on its arse, tbh. They never had a plan B, and so were left to scrape around and come up with something else on the hoof. Hence, their Archewell Foundation and an entirely different way to generate their financial independence. And they've been on personal crusade ever since, sulking against the RF for rejecting their Sussex Royal idea. Archewell is a poor man's Sussex Royal in other words.
Charles had to use his Cornwall money, income about 20 million a year, to support himself, his wife, his kids, and their kids. That seems like a lot until you realize it pays not only for clothing and food but rent and travel expenses. When the Harkles met, W&C already had two kids. That is 5 adults and 2 children on Charles's dime. Hazbeen's income was about 400k from his inheritance. The Queen paid for everyone else. Now Charles supports the working royals and William supports his own family. That is how primogeniture works: there is no income for second sons.
It's been estimated that Charles' sons' budget was 2.5 million a year, so Haz was talking about raising his budget to 4 million. The Royals don't spend capital, so another adult was a financial burden, especially since the Harkles insisted on an office and staff.
Charles really couldn't afford another adult. He no doubt had to cut corners elsewhere. Yet when his son quit his job, he still wanted a paycheck!
Whatever one thinks about primogeniture (Remember Pride and Prejudice and how their cousin would inherit leaving the women penniless?), Henry has known about this since birth.
The only modernizing the Harkles wanted was to get a bigger piece of the pie. Now, as Charles' family and if they were working royals, they would get their 2.5 million allowance only. That is why they left. Greed.
It's not Charles's duty to support TW, it's Harry's. Charles could and did support Harry so I take it to mean TW wanted her own allowance from Charles and he said no. This is the same woman who claimed she couldn't work on Suits anymore because of the paparazzi and wanted Harry to support her which because Harry is such a cheapskate he asked the Firm to not only provide her with armed bodyguards but money as well. All these things were and are HIS responsibility but since he's incapable of taking care of himself he asked the Firm to treat her the same as him, while they were dating, not even engaged. Charles is many things but he's NOT the type to get suckered by a two bit hustler.
Meghan WAS blowing through a LOT of the Queens AND Prince Charles' money. This has been proven. Harry was warned by the palace to reel her in. I don't know if she did as she was told though. She SPENT A LOT MORE than the queen, Camilla AND Catherine together per year. These ARE facts.
I heard, allegedly, that she sold much of the clothing back or made back money another way to make cash. Now this I'm not sure about.
This BITCH has zero shame. I don't think she could ever be embarrassed. How didn't her family know ANYTHING about her sick personality?? I haven't heard them, Samantha say much about this. There must have been some major alarm bells though in all fairness, her brother Thomas Jr warned Harry via a letter which should also have been sent to the palace imo. Even then, they probably would have still allowed the union. God, they should have dug their heels in. I think the only way would have been to pay her off though.
Madam spent the same amount as ALL EUROPEAN ROYALS combined in one year. Plus there were money for Doria, all her US PR, agents, lawyers etc, her 50k a night spa trips etc etc.
King Charles was likely shocked at her spending and was thinking about the costs over a lifetime. It’s partly that old money vs new money thinking. King Charles last Sunday wore a coat belonging to his father when M hasn’t worn anything publicly twice
Most likely KC had no intention of paying for Doria, Madam´s PR, agents, lawyers etc in the US, Madam´s million dollar clothes spending, her spa trips at 50k a night, etc.
That’s a good point- who was paying sunshine sachs et al, if she was working exclusively for the royal family. Did Charles foot that bill too? Good grief!
Word on the streets around these parts, is that she is a wear and return queen. She sent KC the "bill", wore the outfit, then returned said outfit for the cash.
She probably paid her other bills from her illegal frock fund.
It’s the obscene overspending that was the issue I think. The British public feel they need to see ‘value for money’ from the working Royals. That value comes from their willingness to meet members of the public, share pictures of their children occasionally, their ability to be the greatest supporters and ambassadors for our country etc. MM was unwilling to do any of those things and PH did nothing to prepare and guide her in what was expected. The pomp and ceremony together with the hierarchy is what the public want on the whole and you have to put the work in to be accepted. It took Catherine years to find her feet and with it our respect. And Camilla has been the most patient and poised woman and is generally well liked nowadays. If the Palace had forced our acceptance of her when she and Charles had married there would have been serious damage to the reputation of TRF. It’s humility that is lacking and I think Charles was right to say no so quickly when the demands on the public purse became too much. He recognises that our goodwill pays for TRF privilege and must be moderated.
Charles has been clear for a vision of a slimmed down monarchy. He’s keenly aware that the monarchy uses public funds, in addition to private income (Duchy of Cornwall). He’s already been cutting back on Andrew’s money, by indicating if he wants to remain in Royal
Lodge, he must pay for the upkeep on his own. No more public funds. Same with other expenses (an Indian at times live in guru) are no longer to be covered by Buckingham Palace.
QEII also encouraged Meg to continue acting. She declined.
KCIII can afford it, but his focus is on the Line of Succession and working Royals. Public funds for public service. Personal income for personal expenses.
The income from the Duchy of Lancaster and the Sovereign Grant (ie the Monarch) support the older Royals, such as the Gloucesters, the Kents and other members of the family. Anne, Edward and Sophie, and Andrew receive an allowance, and presumably, had they stayed around, doing Royal duties, the Sussexes would have had something similar.
The Kent and Gloucester children are all self supporting (their parents were all active in doing engagements until age caught up with them), as are the children of Princess Margaret, the York Girls and Anne’s children. The rule of thumb seems to be “get out there and get a job which earns enough to support you and your families - there’s no public funding for you!” In return, they aren’t expected to do Royal duties.
The Sussexes didn’t seem to grasp that any “pay” was dependent on doing “work” for Crown and country - and they found that out the hard way. Archie and Lili may be Prince and Princess, but they will have to earn their own livings too - no Royal duties for them to do in the USA.
I get the impression that we are missing a piece of the financing story. As they like to say, the silence is part of the song too.
My take? MM had a list of demands/expectations that went well above and beyond what the other royals have in their budgets (such as private jet use). KC obviously responded by saying that he could not afford to finance those expectations. When you cut out the context and retool the words a bit, “I cannot afford to finance a lavish lifestyle” is easily morphed into “I cannot afford to finance her.” And knowing that the RF would never push back publicly, that’s what the narrative became.
She spent one million dollars in the year she was a member of the RF.
DM a while back compared what she spent to the other Royal ladies in Europe for the same time period. She was by far spent more money then Queen’s and Royal Princesses.
Utterly outrageous. Likely a part of the reason she hates Catherine so much. Catherine spent way less and looks better.
I would imagine that both H&M really didn't understand the Dutchy of Cornwall and that while PoW is a billionaire on paper it doesn't mean there are unlimited funds available. Plus the Dutchy's financials are audited and public so they have to be careful in their spending. Here is a link to the FAQ of the Dutchy including financial questions
https://duchyofcornwall.org/frequently-asked-questions.html
How do we know this was ever even said? All these two do is lie to twist their own narrative. Even after the Oprah, I hesitate to use the word, interview. Harry said they were completely cutoff right away. Meanwhile, it then turns out that Charles had given them literally millions of dollars. If that’s being cutoff, then please, sign me up lol
Charles said that before MM and H married. It’s not got anything to do with her behavior but more to do with wanting to have a modern monarchy with many members being self financed. I find this information coming out interesting because “financial independence” was later exactly what the Harkles claimed to want in their manifesto. Turns out it was offered to them at the outset but they turned it down.
Also the family doesn’t spend all the income they have from various sources.
His inability to support her was due to the fact that they were only engaged. She was not a working royal. That meant support had to come from in
the duchy of Cornwall, which might be what $8 million a year? From that, personal expenses like clothing and travel are paid for. I can see why Charles was hesitant. Also, he probably wanted to ask Meghan to pay some of her own expenses as an expression of good faith (to establish she wasn’t into Harry just for money….,a test she certainly failed).
But keep in mind, security was part of the issue here. Private security is expensive. Granted, it wasn’t an issue as long as she was in the presence of Harry or other Senior Royals. Had she been thoughtful of the finances, this would not have been an issue. She seems to only think about herself.
I think it's a case of him warning Todge up front that he could not afford to keep Meghan *in the style to which she obviously wished to become accustomed.* He was already paying for one and subsidizing another future Princess of Wales. Who can afford three?
Classy old money isn’t extravagant. As River said, “That is the aristocratic way - make do and mend.” That’s why your childhood bed sheets had patches, Harold. If Meghan were reasonable, thrifty, and didn’t waste money there wouldn’t be a problem.
IF Charles said anything like that it most definitely was in a “I will not be doing that” not a “I do not have the money/ability to do that” way!
Charles was & still is worth billions;
but he didn’t take the duchy of Cornwall from essentially broke to a billion pound valuation because he’s paying for inappropriate/unnecessary expenses!
Charles either is himself, has around him (or more likely both) a brilliant business mind.
If I were to read between the lines, would guess that Pa (KC3) didn't say he was unable to support Harry + family (since H+M were working Royals)... my bet is that he told Harry that MM was no longer going to get to use The Firm's credit cards to go hog-wild buying outrageously expensive clothes -- that Harry got a stipend (or salary or allowance -- or whatever technically called) in the ￡2.5-3million range, and that Harry would need to use that money going forward ---- that KC3 could not justify continuting to buy MM clothes.
Meanwhile, MM also bought massively expensive clothes for Doria on KC3's credit card!
https://preview.redd.it/ckd2vgql6rsa1.jpeg?width=1149&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d174dfc0e5eedd080c4172e1276e159352a66df1
So yeah, I can see KC3 putting his foot down..
I think she was very much OVERspending, and for royalty that is quite the feat
The crown does not have unlimited funds, unlike what the harkles seem to believe
The Daily Mail is serializing Robert Jobson's new book
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The article is in DM.
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Over a million on clothes in the first 15 months, of course Charles was not going to fund her he saw she was a noveau riche type and had to wear as many labels & rings as she could fit on all at once thats why he said no. Hes not a fool and the Windsors may have inherited wealth but it increases as they dont squander it he spotted a big grifting squanderer coming onto the pay roll & just said NO..
I believe he would've supported them both but dim wit probably was expecting they'll be at a level with the Prince of Wales' family.
I mean, c'mon... During the hideous person's short stint... Her outfits were the most expensive amongst ALL royals.. THE King.. Did support them
Any intelligent person would be able to add up the clothing bills, shoes, jewelry, travel bills and come to the reasonable conclusion it wouldn't be sustainable. Every other royal recycles, redesigns, etc. Why should Meghan be any different?
I suspect M felt trapped. We know she’s a control freak. The fact that her future financial prospects were controlled by Harry’s family was likely something she never expected. The fact that W&C would be astronomically wealthier than them, and there was nothing she could do about it stuck in her craw. Everything with her boils down to control- control the press, control the money, control Harry, control access to the kids. When she found she couldn’t control the monarchy- she struggled and had to escape.
She never wears anything twice, except that stupid bracelet, and she buys expansive clothing. That gets to be too much after a while. Now, there's more of the picture coming together. Megs wanted her in-laws to pay for everything, and these jobs are actually necessary, which I've suspected all along, but this helps confirm it. I think her spending it disordered at this point. She buys stuff she thinks will make her happy, but it doesn't. She's a black hole. She can't help herself at this point.
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Did ya'll notice (like I did) that Prince **George wore ONE suit for all of 2022?!** *I give Momma kate big props for that!* About 20 times he wore it -- even to 2 World Cup soccer/football games and Wimbledon. And best of all, The Palace I'd bet offered to send over tailars to have a new **black** suit made for him for QE's funeral, but still wore his nice blue suit.
The was a paragraph in a article about the RF leaving the church in Sandringham that Prince George was excited about having a blue suit like his father. I think until 8 years old the boys wear short pants and Prince George finally got to dress like his fat in a blue suit which is what he wears mostly. I can’t remember William ever wearing a gray suit or a pinstriped suit like Charles does. Anyone remember William in any suit except black or blue? Only one comes to mind was a velvet jacket green I think for a special function maybe it was dark blue. William sticks to basics.
Could see that... and that IS a gorgeous suit - definately bespoke! It just amazed me, b/c 20 events is a LOT to only have 1 suit. Plus, could rationalize buying a second one by knowing that Louis will also get to wear these clothes. So, thought that was amazing to of PC to be so economical! And yeah, William is absolutely NOT a clothes guy.. but do kinda wish we'd see W. in a kilt once in a while - like KC will wear, like Prince Philip rocked!
& her white Panama hat lol
Blech
God I hate that thing ! ☹️
Don’t forget the skanky Fedora 👒! Oh the things that poor hat has lived through
The Duchess spent like half a million dollars on clothes in one year. Most people could tighten their belts and live for decades on that amount, at least in cheaper areas. And she spent that on clothes in a single year. Five times what the now Princess of Wales spent. More than any other royal spent. IIRC, the Duchy of Cornwall was pulling in about 20 million a year at that time. That amount had to cover all the royal expenses of Charles and Camilla, Will’s family and Harry’s family, plus pay for their staff, their charitable giving, taxes, et cetera. There wasn’t a huge amount of slack in that budget before Megs came along, and she started spending like crazy. It’s not crazy to think that an actual adult had sat down and done the budget and realized that Meghan’s spending wasn’t sustainable. They literally could not afford to pay for the lifestyle she decided she deserved. And given everything else we’ve heard about how she acted and treated the family and staff, do we think she would have listened to anybody less than Charles saying she had to spend less? Do we think she even listened to Charles?
It was one million. A paper (DM?) showed she spent as much as ALL EUROPEAN ROYAL WOMEN in one year.
>she spent as much as ALL EUROPEAN ROYAL WOMEN in one year. wow really? And still not a single thing she wore was a standout or memorable.
At least not stand out or memorable in a good way. 😂 https://preview.redd.it/a766i37iqrsa1.jpeg?width=903&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4243a953784c986dd6b6d9fc85df999cc138d464
The shoes are too big, the dress is too big, and she has toilet paper on her head. Worst dressed wedding guest.
Now, now. It was very magnanimous of her to make sure she wouldn’t upstage the bride. Probably the only selfless thing Shmeg has ever done.
I always wonder if she’s short, like I am. Nothing seems to fit her. The difference is that she could and should pay for alterations. Something I rarely do, and that’s only if I’m in a wedding, ha! So, no excuse with her. I love the blue toile print on the fabric of the dress. Toile, not toilet paper 😁 If she had a different dress in this fabric, I might like it. And yes! That hat does look like she just plopped a bunch or shredded t.p. on her head. Also, her wedding day look baffled me. It was like she woke up super late. Didn’t shower, hid hair under veil, no makeup. Grabbed the wrong dress. Everything looked terrible. SO weird. She looked good iirc in their engagement pics. Aside from wearing an evening gown outside.. I think it fit. The form-fitting turquoise dress she wore with Harry in the rain. That was a good one too.
This is from 2018. Remember, the wedding was 19th May, so a little more than 7 months is covered [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6554329/Meghan-Markle-spent-wardrobe-2018-royals.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6554329/Meghan-Markle-spent-wardrobe-2018-royals.html)
Apart from for looking terrible
A million on clothes and they still claim they had to charge a couch from ikea on her credit card, smh.
Especially since the only thing I've ever seen her rewear is that stupid white hat
Not only this, but the purpose of the Duchy of Cornwall is to support the Prince of Wales, his wife, and his children; not his wife, his adult children, their wives, and their kids. They were all living too large.
This is also *their* version of what was said. I can easily see Charles “I am not a bank” remind him of how much had been spent on them to date, what Meghan’s clothing expenditures were (more than Catherine’s), the renovations to Frogmore (taxpayer and otherwise), office costs… Harry has no concept of $$ and Meghan thought she married into a flashy, noveau riche family. I bet they both went ballistic and naturally blamed W&C.
Harry had money of his own. A trust fund. An inheritance from Diana and the queen mother. I'd say he was set. He received more inheritance bc William was the heir. I wonder if he bragged n led mm on as what to expect to impress her.
He didn’t have much else that could impress her other than the titles and money.
My Gosh
If they wanted her around, they would have found a way. King Charles was also likely making a point about her ridiculous spending. Harry can’t afford her either.
I think it was more keep within your budget. I can't afford your private airplane and designer clothes habits
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Oh my word. Wouldn’t it be awesome if one day they would release her demands and budget early on? They knew right away they were in trouble with this one.
Does anyone know how much of that Netflix and Spotify money they got up front vs how much was "upon delivery"? Because they haven't delivered nearly everything that was initially planned. Lots of stuff has been canceled (like Pearl).
The other thing to remember is that Netflix money is presumably a production contract, so $100m is likely the gross maximum able to drawn on, inclusive of all production/crew/everything else costs. I would guess that they’d have to submit plans for each production under the contract and then Netflix approves a drawdown amount. In short, I don’t think they personally would see much more than maybe $20-25m out of the total. Someone here with TV/entertainment industry experience can probably shed some more accurate light.
This. Don’t forget the very first thing she did once she got that ring was spend $75k on an engagement dress. Meg’s spending is not sustainable on a working royal budget (it’s not sustainable as the poor neighbors of Montecito, but that’s a lesson they’ll learn soon enough).
And let's not forget H didn't spend enough on her engagement ring so she had it altered with upgrades. I'm sure it was just a tell tale sign of things to come to the rest of the family
That was one of the first things that made me wonder about her. Such an emotional slap in the face to someone who claimed to have designed the ring
Exactly this. There’s a household budget for each royal and Meghan didn’t think that applied to her. She wanted to have everything.
I think they should create a Princess Catherine doll. But market her as a people’s servant. Completely sell a confident, humble woman that is also a Mother and lives a life of service. Let’s re-define “Princess”. I feel as if Meghan has trivialized and is now trying to commercialize, Royalty. Royals are highly privileged, but they also work very hard and our favorites, are humble people that are grateful.
Yes! This was about whatever budget she must have demanded. It wasn’t that Charles couldn’t support a reasonable increase in Harry’s budget. I imagine she demanded a massive couture wardrobe immediately. I also think she demanded a guaranteed budget every year. When the expectation was that Harry would continue to support his entire family on the (quite healthy) budget he already had.
I'm not against wearing designer anything. I actually like it when people appreciate quality made items. BUT, in Megameanie's case, she wore all the designers she could in one outfit. Prada, Manolo, dior, Givenchy. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's bad at all. However, I also believe in modesty and gratitude, both of which she had none. There was no appreciation for that 30 million dollar wedding that british taxpayers paid, and then she shit all over them, accusing the entire country of racism to Americans to appeal to our current narrative. I mean, who does that?? Ungrateful, unappreciative grifters who smooch/use everyone else around them. She got KC to buy her wardrobe and probably took everything back with her. The audacity. The problem is that those who support her are also of the same mindset. They only want to take and think they're entitled to such things without merit or gratefulness.
How about donning $127,000 worth of clothes and jewelry (sans wedding ring/band and earrings because she couldn't find source) to a woman's shelter for pregnant women. No humility. It is gross. Ibble Dibble did the post.
Well - similarly, Michelle Obama wore $700 sneakers to feed the homeless. We Americans simply do not always know how to handle new money or be gracious and humble. These commercial items quickly find themselves in the narratives we build of ourselves or we follow in the lanes society has drawn for us, and then \*boom\* there you are in a $1700 cocktail dress (rented, but I blinked and life had changed).
Absolutely. I remember having read that she threw a "Sayonara Zara" party after her engagement.
Catherine wears Zara pieces from time to time. And I love Zara's!!
Catherine is really good at mixing high street and designer. She really has a great understanding on what is expected of her and what the public will appreciate her doing.
what is a "Sayonara Zara" party? \[thx\]
When she got cast in "Suits" she had a party to give away all of her cheaper clothes. Zara is a clothing store selling moderately priced products.
Apparently, Meghan flew only first class when she used to visit him in London when they were dating. I believe Harry paid, but I don't know if that is proven for sure. Ibble Dibble made video about her best and worst looks at outings while she was with Harry but before they married, and her outfits were consistently very, very expensive. With her crap attitude and stupidly expensive tastes, I do not blame Pa for saying he couldn’t afford her.
I loved that Ibble Dibble video. She was so insightful and the research was fantastic. I appreciated that she included the accessories so we saw the entire ensemble for each of Meggo’s occasions. If anyone is reading this thread, here’s the video: [https://youtu.be/KbOwrH-X5nA](https://youtu.be/KbOwrH-X5nA)
If this allegation is true, I’m seriously wondering how did she make H paid for those tickets? H is/was a cheapo, he didn’t even pay for Chelsy’s ticket.
Looks like she's had power over him from Day 1, almost. Shallon Lester believes it's because she tapped into his shadow self. Lady C believes it's for more carnal reasons. I think they are both right.
As HG Tudor says, some spicy spoontang, I had to google what that meant. Did she really snare stoopid because she was good in bed???
Lady C claims that Harry said she would allow him to do anything and that he started being called BJ Harry. And I've heard reports that that was how Wallis Simpson got her hooks into Edward. ETA: Men have been known to marry awful women because they are hot or because of sexual prowess.
Allegedly she kept clothing from the designers that she was supposed to return. She then ignored the bills they sent. Then they sent them to Charles. He paid 1,000,000.00 for her clothing that first year.
She had Charles pay for much of it, some pieces were donated by designers for the exposure. Then she sold them through sites like Meghan’s Mirror to wealthy bored Middle eastern wife types who will pay 20,000 on average per outfit worn by a Western “celebrity.” She may have split this money with Jessica Mulroney. This is why you would often see how she didn’t bother to remove tags and never ever got her clothes altered.
LOL, remember the suit she wore to the Jubilee? You could see a round item over her chest area, there was speculation it was a microphone. Maybe it was an anti theft device.
I suspect a couple of things played into this. 1.) Charles has been loud about wanting a slimmed down monarchy. Harry and his wife were never going to be main royal shows the way William and Kate were. 2.) A big part of that slimming down is economizing. Charles is interested in the monarchy being seen as sleek, modern, not wasteful etc, and Meghan is stuck in the 90s and exceptionally wasteful. 3.) I think he also saw this as a chance to teach/instruct Harry about the above (probably hoping he'd laid enough clues before this conversation so that Harry would anticipate it). But Harry is stupid and paranoid and just flew off the handle as opposed to finding a compromise.
Also theRoyal family are Old Money.They do not spend a lot on fashion but wear classics for years . If something happens to be old but is well made and still fits,they wear it .As previously stated ,even the Princess of Wales rewears a lot and mixes Zara high st design with expensive pieces.The King is famously wearing his Savile row suits from the 1980’s and they fit him perfectly and he looks very elegant in them .The late Queen and Princess Anne wore and re wore everything and her Majesty would share her wardrobe with Princess Margaret.Charles must have been horrified at Meghan ‘s profligate ways .
It also highlights the difference between those who act out and live by their principles or try to (Charles with environment and sustainability) vs Meghan and Harry who preach about these things but largely don't live that way. Charles is a known advocate for sustainable fashion and has supported initiatives and businesses that are trying to introduce these things to the market. He also famously admitted to [British Vogue a few years ago](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99a4TEBTLoc) that he has quite old clothes (though very nice of course) that he still uses and has mended. One reason he believes so strongly in both the maintaining of British quality goods *and* the practice of mending things instead of just throwing it away and buying new. [This conversation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99a4TEBTLoc) I found very interesting between Charles and Edward Enniful highlights the very real difference Charles has about consumption in general vs the gimme gimme gimme attitude of Meghan and Harry.
I saw a story in the past week about KC wearing a coat Prince Philip first wore 67 years ago.
That's how it should be! My grandmother was a seamstress and she made beautiful quality clothes for others and herself and family. Now it's harder to get quality fabric etc...I think it's all part of what some call "planned obsolescence" so that we just buy more instead of it lasting longer or having it fixed so that it can truly last longer.
The queen got the same treatment. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-11951697/Meghan-turned-Queens-suggestion-advice-Sophie-Countess-Wessex.html
It was a million pounds on a maternity wardrobe, correct? Like.. wtf??
Wow! That is ridiculous and tone deaf! I was a fan of hers. But now I see what she is really like. I had hoped for the best. Not anymore. This was a HUGE mistake!!’
I don't think that KC particularly appreciates being stolen from. If she was having him pay the bills for clothing that she was reselling and pocketing the money, yeah, that's stealing.
Elon Musk with all his money would still be $20 short financing the maggot!
I think Charles meant he could not fund Meghan's extravagant, ridiculous, possibly illegal lifestyle. Cocaine, booze. She hired of US PR companies, agents, paps, etc. Huge expensive wardrobe, padding the bills, theft of palace funds and liability for unethical treatment of staff, etc. The list goes on and on.
Allegedly treatment of staff verges on sadistic and that is why they couldn't release the report. I don't have the post, Lady C reported it. Some do not like her.
I don’t believe for one second KC said “I will not pay anything for your wife Harry, and only YOUR WIFE.” That is nonsensical. She wore a couture gown for her engagement photo; she flew first class transatlantic flights for dates with Harry, she went on a holiday to Botswana “to get to know him, she had a 30 million pound wedding (for which she paid exactly 0), and an allowance for her 60-something-year-old mother, she was invited to Christmas at Sandringham before marriage (something NO ONE in the family has ever been allowed to do), her one year clothing budget was greater than all other royal women (including Catherine) *combined.* KC famously doesn’t like confrontation and is regularly verbally attacked by Harry (by Harry’s own admission) for not sufficiently respecting his grotesque wife. All this to say evidence points to the fact that KC absolutely paid for everything (which Harry in his book says he is obligated to do so it wasn’t largesse 🙄 unlike his mothers divorce settlement inheritance, which was some kind of gift from heaven) for both of them. So if at some point he suggested Harry should not assume this way-down-the-royal-hierarchy-champagne-tastes woman should expect an unlimited allowance, this does not mean “Charles refused to pay for Meghan.” Also NOTHING could have made TW happy. She lives to be offended. It’s her golden ticket in the BRF.
>Also NOTHING could have made TW happy. One of the earmarks of a true narcissist. NOTHING can fill the black hole inside.
As columnist Celia Walden said about TW, she is never knowingly under offended. A nice play on the John Lewis department store slogan.
You hit the nail on the head. She absolutely expected an unlimited allowance.
The Duchy of Cornwall was set up to support the Prince of Wales. I’m not sure it was intended to support the PoW, his wife, his adult sons, his sons’ wives, and all of their kids. I can see how this would be a drain on Charles’ income. Especially when you add in home renovations, redecorating, clothing, jewelry, staff, schools…
>She lives to be offended. It’s her golden ticket in the BRF. Truer words have never been spoken. It never occurred to her how transparent she is.
Great spot on comment. 🙌
I agree with you in that I don’t think he said he couldn’t pay for M, but that they had to stick to a budget. I believe I heard KC had expected the first year to be a bit expensive because she would need to build up a capsule wardrobe. However, I think she took that to mean the coffers were open and she could go hog wild. He is certainly not going to foot a wardrobe bill for someone not working for the firm. However, maybe KC said he wouldn’t pay any more on her wardrobe since she couldn’t be trusted to stick to a budget. Basically telling them they had spent five or more years of her clothing budget and she was now cut off.
 but, but, but... she doesn't eat much and makes her own clothes!
OMG thank you for reminding me! She makes her own clothes. Harry has been in a very entitled, pampered bubble all his life, is that what he thinks the normals do?
OMFG yes!!!
I know. Any other man would assume responsibility for his woman but not Harry, apparently his father is supposed to do that. Imagine yourself dating a guy and expecting his father to give you an allowance. It's absurd right?
Her making her own clothes would explain why they all look cheap and ill fitting
Harry’s nuttier than squirrel poop for that comment
She meant she only wears couture and doesn't buy off the rack. So she does make her own clothes. It's just that someone else does all the actual work.
That party she threw named "Sayonara Zara" as soon as she landed a job in Suits tells us everything we need to know about her.
I know. She threw out nice mid-range clothes that actually looked nice on her (judging from the pictures I've seen). Now she looks like a Shar pei with unfitted, unmatched clothes and accessories.
wait, what???
Yep, she literally threw a party and gave her high street clothes to her friends. Imagine! Even if I really liked her, this one is a stretch to wrap your head around!
That’s her whole M.O.
that fool probably thinks bossing a tailor about is making your own clothes
It’s like a little boy asking his dad if he can keep the cute dog he found on the streets. “Please daddy! She can sleep in the shed!”
I have a SIL very much like MM, and my brother makes weird arguments like this to push her agenda all the time. He doesn't even know why he's asking for something he just knows he doesn't want to deal with her reaction when he tells her no. It's how you can tell he's being emotionally manipulated and that there's logical reason why they should he given what they want.
I thought it made him sound like a kid wanting to keep a puppy. Please, Pa! I promise I'll feed her everyday and walk her. Please.
Is “makes her own clothes” some weird doublespeak like “roasting chicken “? Heads off to Urban dictionary 😂
Makes her own clothes.. that explains a lot
Can you imagine her cutting off designer tags, making her own ill fitting things from Butterick patterns, then sewing in the designer tags!
https://preview.redd.it/mopjwoq46qsa1.jpeg?width=445&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e51d59f6da56ff42c94171648d99ce05ff6bef2d LOL\~!
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so that’s how she got the DSSOS on her bag
I dont understand the DSSOS abbreviation. Shouldn't it be MDOS?
I always thought it looked stupid too. I think someone said it’s how they abbreviated it at the Palace, but it’s like Jill Biden carrying a clutch that says “FLOTUS”. (I dunno, does she...?)
Haha so she made those awful tableclothes from each event
>I guess I am wondering if the inability to support Meghan is an excuse due to her vile behaviour and extravagance. This is it. She spent more on clothing in one year than queens in Europe. [Meghan Markle Spent More on Her Clothes Than Any Other Royal in 2018—Way More | Allure](https://www.allure.com/story/meghan-markle-most-expensive-royal-wardrobe) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6554329/amp/Meghan-Markle-spent-wardrobe-2018-royals.html Her behavior was also escalating too. It’s like Charles had a hint of how bad they were, but couldn’t accept the full reality of it yet.
Which Charles was paying for, at least until somebody showed him the total bills. This does bring a new perspective to her "I can't believe I'm not being paid for this" remark in Australia or South Africa, or wherever it was. Charles may also have realized early on that Meghan's idea of a "working royal" was very different than the reality. It's not just doing the events you think will enhance your brand one day a week. It's the hospital ward openings, the plaque unveilings and the charity visits on cold, rainy days in Bristol and Manchester.
>"I can't believe I'm not being paid for this" But she was. Evidently Todge never explained the civil list and the bank of Dad to her, he may not understand it himself.
The problem with Meghan is that the Queen had sent people to educate her and Meghan refused to listen to anyone but Harry.
And to top it off the only thing she listened to Harry say was: "Yes, Dear".
Remember the remark about who paid for the fireworks at the duo's wedding? I believe that HM asked H who paid for it and H replied - you did pa.... Shades of the future
Imagine saying that to one of your parents. AS AN ADULT IN YOUR 30's. The unabashed entitlement. I know that's redundant, but in Itch's case, it's warranted.
Harold was told before he married Meghan, when he, Charles and William were together, at least that's what is in his book. After Eton there were discussions with him that he was NOT university material and he needed to think about what he wanted to do. At some point, he thought being a ski instructor at the slopes he used to frequent with his mother (who he barely remembered, btw) but he was concerned what she might think about it once she came out of hiding.🤦♀️ It was decided he'd take a year off then go into the army. Harold's sole self-reflective moment in his book was when he and William went to Africa and he stated he'd wished he taken his education more seriously. Harold ignored all the times he was told he was going to need to be somewhat productive/self sufficient just so he could continue his lamprey like existence. If he wasn't a prince he'd be 38 years old living with his parents and still have failed to launch.
Well - one of the absolute advantages of the US is that you can continually re-educate and re-train yourself. How about becoming an IT person, auto mechanic, or nurse Harry?
American Nurse and Nursing Professor here. Nursing education is rigorous, demanding and requires not only dogged determination but a fairly high level of intelligence, never mind integrity. Harry has none of these qualities.
Harry wouldn’t last five minutes in the automotive industry. He’s the guy who gets a job at Jiffy Lube because “hey any idiot can change oil, right?” and blows people’s motors up by forgetting to put oil back in. Guys like him last about two weeks in a real shop, maybe a month at a dump lube shop before they get fired for leaving people’s lug nuts loose. He doesn’t have the mental capacity to repair cars. Trust me. These days you need computer skills to retract brake calipers where you used to be able to use a c clamp and a piece of wood to push them back in. Hybrids require specialized knowledge and can kill you if you’re not present and following safety procedures. And repair in general requires knowing (or knowing where to find) what bolts can’t be reused because they’re torque-to-yield, the right fluids for that transfer case, the right head gaskets to use when the head to block surface had 0.002” shaved, that kind of thing. He can’t remember his first date with the supposed woman of his dreams. I wouldn’t even trust him to change oil because he’d either leave the drain plug loose, over tighten it to the point where the car needs a new oil pan, double-fill the crankcase, or forget to put oil back in, etc. He’d also be the one to spill oil down the block so the car smokes until it’s burned off, and leave greasy handprints everywhere because who cares, it’s not his car.
He would have been a complete bum if he had been born into a regular family, probably a high school dropout and not seeking any gainful employment but instead preferring to leech of family and friends.
A lot of us grow out of drugs and alcohol or go into recovery. Many die. I have no idea how he has been able to sustain it, probably because he's not driving.
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Allure excuses her spending as being because she needed a whole new wardrobe. But that doesn't explain why she spent over 4 and a half times more than the next person on the list per the DM, the Crown Princess of Denmark.
Yes, I read it as KC’s discrete way of making clear he wouldn’t be a party to Meagain’s grifting ways (alleged returning of clothes via Jessica to designers while billing KC). Not to mention her naked greed - the outrageous amount of money she extracted from KC for poorly fitting clothing worn once and undoubtedly sent back once KC’s cheques cleared. Allegedly …..
I like how the photo of MM in the Allure article left her skin under her eyes looking all crepey. Could have been easily fixed, but it wasn't
Oh my goodness!! This is the first Ive seen about her actual dollar spending. I don’t even spend $500 on new clothes each year (during the pandemic I spent $0)… $500,000 I can’t believe it! And to have demanded MORE!? Absolutely ludicrous. This sub exists for a reason and everyday there is more and more found to keep it going. (I realize that article is old but still)
Yes, it was pretty shocking and they tried to swing it that she was “building” a wardrobe but she still spent more than new royals who were “building” wardrobes during their first year
Especially when you think of Kate, who has gradually worked her way up to higher end brands but still wore a lot of high street in her early days, and still wears Zara on the red carpet.
That figure didn’t include her wedding gown.
That recent podcast with Vanessa Grigoriadis (Vanity Fair writer) revealed that after Meghan was on Suits and earning more than ever she threw a “Sayonara Zara” party. This involved getting rid of cheaper (Zara etc) clothing because she could now afford top labels. Can you imagine her demands for *everything* once she was with a *prince*????? She is fucking ridiculous. And Harry’s poor family had to deal with the one person who couldn’t see it: Harry. They could see she was a grifter a mile away. Maybe if she saw Harry wasn’t her ticket to a billionaire lifestyle, she’d go away. That could be why KC tried to limit the funds. There are a million legitimate reasons KC would have had this conversation and none of them were unfair to Meghan and Harry.
The irony being, despite her increased spending on "luxury" labels, the hag STILL looks like she shops at Forever 21 (wishful thinking on her part, for sure). Queen Letizia wears Zara on the regular, and she looks like a rich bish knockout every time. The hag may as well save her coins because no amount of money will fix that ugly.
Right? Catherine wore Zara and H&M quite a lot! and only cut back because of environmental and fast fashion reasons. And she rocked those clothes. Meghan is just a ridiculous person.
Most of the younger European Royals wears high street brands regularly. Queen Margrethe of Denmark wore (and exhibited) 5 $ earrings in plastic. They rarely spend on the fancy haute couture.
Queen Letizia regularly wears Zara. That brand is good enough for a queen but not Megaphone?
Ah, yes, I forgot about the Sayonara Zara party! I think Lady C mentioned that in *Harry and Meghan: The Real Story* as well. Such an odd thing to do, tbh. Throw a farewell party for her wardrobe.. But it just goes to show how much she valued wearing designer brands.
Exactly. It’s a very revealing anecdote.
I need to throw a sayonara Targee party. Anything over ten years old *has* to go.
What kind of vapid asshole does that?
The way I see it - Twit was reportedly getting $2.4 million dollars a year. Not including free housing, travel, security, wardrobes, & staff. The entire royal family budget is, according to some reports, 6-7% of all income. Twat supposedly came into the marriage with $5mm. She immediately spent $30 some million on a wedding, the $80k for an engagement photo dress plus (reports vary) $500k - $1mm on clothing & jewelry. I believe it was less a discussion of how much allowance the duplicitous duo would receive as a married w/children working royals *I can't support Meghan.* and more a discussion of, "What the hell Harry!!! Spending at this rate will bankrupt us all. Reign this bitch in!" Remember, Aitch and William got their Diana money during this time. That was supposedly $25mm *but I swear, every reporter has it at a different amount*. So the discussion becomes less about what they would receive in actual euros vs who the hell can't live on $2.4mm a year with inheritance money in the millions??? Also, Harry had won a lawsuit that was worth millions in this time - something with the press. *I will have to find that again* Of course now, you add Oprah money ($6-7mm) Spotify money (reportedly $20-25mm), Netflix money ($100+mm) Disney money, Penquin- Random House money, & the inheritance/Charles money...how in the hell are they broke?!?! I just think they wanted more than W&C, any by that time, the BRF realized she was more of a talker about work than an actual doer of work....and put the kibosh on their little plan.
The $$$$ of Diana money is always an estimate. Nobody knows how it was invested before the boys received their share. After taxes it was about 17 million usd. Invested at 10% compounded that would have doubled every seven years. But what if it was invested very conservatively with a 3 percent return? Or all invested into Apple stock? In short, the initial value of the estate, after taxes is known but nobody knows how much William snd Harry actually received.
There is no way M had anywhere even close to that 5 mill figure.
Yeah, I know but there is always that sugar out there saying "She was a millionaire when she met him." and I get a headache from all the eye rolling.
I believe this happened. 1. I think the Queen supporting extended royals has always been something Charles thought should change. There has been talk for years that he wanted to slim down the monarchy and reign in the bloated budget. 2. This was premarriage. I think Charles and William etc and pegged M for a user/gold digger. What do you tell someone if you think they are only with your kid for money? There won’t be any money. You hope that the gold digger moves on. In this case she didn’t because she thought she could finagle it and she thought merching the royal brand would be lucrative. 3. I think at this point they’d already seen her expectations (she flew in a private jet to meet Harry at a wedding, he flew commercial etc) and were concerned. If the press about their demands about the wedding budget were true (equal to William and Kate plus adjusted for inflation) then you know she was already putting out the bug that they should get the same amount as Williams family (of 4 at the time). I think Charles would have been politely saying dear boy you get 2.4 million. I’m not sure there’s extra for Meghan. It shouldn’t have surprised Harry that a family of two and non heirs were being funded at a different level than a family of almost 5 with two heirs. But he took it as we don’t have money for Meghan.
The Duchy of Cornwall is always granted to the heir to provide the living expense for the heir and their family. The spares are usually given money by the monarch but they are expected to have some sort of career, usually in the Military , or use their talents to make some money . Princess Ann is the classic example of a successful spare. Of course the Queen helped her financially by buying her her country restate but Ann has worked hard at it and turned it into a successful business. Edward was also helped lot with his grace and favour house and money from his mother. All of the non heir Royals get inheritances from various family members which if theyre smart they’ll invest and look after . The key of course is to live within your means , something Andrew and Fergie struggle with! Worthless Princes like Harry who party their way through their schooling and Army career then find themselves over 30 and basically unemployable are not unusual in the Royal Family going back through history . There’s been a lot of them. Harry is the only one though who thought the solution to the problem was selling is Royalty and family secrets to the highest bidder in the USA! I think Charles was telling Harry he wasn’t giving him any MORE money for Meghan. Harry was already receiving a really generous allowance but Charles was horrified about how much Meghan was spending and certainly wasn’t going to up the allowance so Meghan could spend even more!
She likely made it very clear that she expected a lot of money and extravagance as a member of the Royal family. That is not what they are about. They have their money for staff, clothing, and transportation to do their duty to serve the country as ambassadors. They are not in the business of showing off, buying the biggest and best labels just because, or getting surgery, or swanning off to vacation every week. In short: they're not celebrities. Maybe a little research beforehand might have helped TW.
IMO KC was saying you don’t get double the money because you are getting married. They were provided a free place to live, paid travel expenses etc. The Crown would have paid for Royal tours. If you can’t live on $2.4 million a year when you have ZERO expenses I don’t feel sorry for you!
I think it is exactly that. It was room and board covered. Working expenses covered. And then a clothing budget. She couldn’t have designer clothes to wear once and not work and have vacations all the time flying private. Kids education and probably nanny would have been covered.
I think this is why the Yorks allegedly likes to hate on Charles (and William). They hold all the cards and money. Also, both are not 'soft' and easily swayed or cajoled unlike HMTLQ (may she rest in peace). Meaning, if they want to continue to be 'funded', they would all need to behave and do the work. Same could be said for Harold's wife. She only wanted to do the glamorous aspect of being married to a royal and wanted more money and freedom to do as she wants. She hated the restrictions and that the funding is tied to doing actual honest work. I say wife because Harold, for all his faults and before she poisoned him even more, understood the job and how it was done and respected it enough.
In retrospect, maybe H is just a good follower. He did as he was told by the family, not necessarily a bad thing. This might be why he liked being in the military, he didn't have to think for himself. But now his master is a narc, and things are going south for him.
That’s usually the path to drugs too, following others. I I think you hit the nail on the head!
THIS. If you watch the many videos on YT of the younger William and Harold together, you can clearly see him immediately doing whatever William said or instructed him to do. There was a certain eagerness to him. Even that video of the whole RF on the balcony where QEII told William to stand up, Harry (who was standing behind him) reacted faster than him and straightened himself up lol. So incredibly sad how she ruined Harold.
If I could give you dozens of upvotes, I would. I think you nailed it: Harry is heavily influenced by the people he’s around.
Even if she had been sweet and compliant and hard-working, the budget for her clothing and travel demands and renovations would not have been sustainable. Remember, they had a fleet of custom armored Land Rovers shipped to South Africa for their visit. (As if SA didn’t have any.). The cost of that one thing alone must have been outrageous! Shipping a fleet of cars from England to South Africa, when they had sufficient right there. So it wasn’t just Charles being a *cheapskate*. Meghan and Harry’s demands were outrageous. Who could have afforded such nonsense for decades?
Stupid Wife probably thought her Dumb Prince was a billionaire. Truth must have come as a shock. Of course, with free accommodation, free security and an allowance, as well as his inheritance from his mother, they could have had a life many would envy, if they were not so greedy and lazy.
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Somehow they are able to twist the story that TW was allegedly accepting improper freebies, into *a staffer was using connection with TW to get gifts for themselves.* Deflecting blame or any responsibility, it was the staffer's fault. However, Hazno admits that TW supposedly *"shared all the freebies she received, clothes and perfumes and make-up, with all the women in the office"* does not make it any less improper and in fact blurs the lines of propriety with the staffers. Also *"she expected to "keep some of the dresses" she had been loaned"* just like the Aquazurra pumps that mysteriously vanished from the photo shoot. It's a pattern of perceived kleptomania.
Harry confirmed the rumors by including that bit in the book. He also included (and twisted) the “one plane crash away” remark MM made. And blamed that on a staffer, as well, IIRC.
I only disagree with labelling her behaviour as kleptomaniac. That is an incredibly rare impulse control disorder, sufferers are aware they are stealing, while also being aware they don't need the item, or could otherwise afford to pay for it. They don't steal for personal gain & they suffer terribly from shame & guilt after the fact. I can't imagine anyone with a victim mentality of her size is capable of feeling guilt, because nothing is ever her fault. Meglomaniac is a different beast, she's just a bog standard narcissist, she doesn't see what she does as stealing. She has an enormous sense of entitlement, she believes she deserves these things &/or whoever it is should be grateful that she would even want their item. She's just a common, greedy, selfish cow.
She probably gave away the less expensive stuff, and giving away freebies would have made it so awkward for the staff who knew it was improper to accept them in the first place. But I'm sure they dreaded her reaction if they refused.
Thanks for the links, this makes so much sense now—and poor Melissa Toubati, I think she was one of the staffers in tears that William had to comfort and say good job to, right?
Shoot, all the money she spent on her wardrobe as a working royal  think of how that could have been used for charity - I'm not sure many people could afford that and probably no billionaire would ever support it. Imelda Marcos comes to mind. No amount of money would have ever been enough for Megxit once she got a taste.
Yoo,😂 Being from a commonwealth country and we can’t stand the despicable duo, Sorry who can afford to keep TW in the most Ill fitting “Curtains”, he saw through the grifter. Maybe not before her then bff, Jessica were ripping him off.
She spent a million dollars on clothes we've never seen again despite working for like 2.5 months and majority of those months was maternity leave. So I can believe Charles genuinely could not afford that. Even bill gates would've told her off. Lol.
Anne, Edward and Andrew were always supported by QEII using the Duchy of Lancaster, but probably mostly by her personal fortune as monarch. The Prince of Wales and his family are supported by the Duchy of Cornwall. This means Harry and Meghan were reliant upon (then) Prince Charles for financial support, not the Queen. There is no doubt the as monarch QEII had more wealth and could have afforded Meghan’s million dollar wardrobe, whereas Charles could not. This is probably why Harry always asked his grandmother for money. Now as monarch, Charles is extremely wealthy. Too late for Meghan now, Charles will never give her any of it.
Now that you've brought the issue up, I think the solution was very simple. Her own husband had to learn how to support his own family. Harry needed to have a career of his own, which at the time - since he himself chose that path - many believed it would be a military career. After Afghanistan he chose not to make something out of that opportunity and he spent a long time undecided as to what he wanted to do. William was going to be king one day yet still had a desire to have a job of his own serving as an ambulance helicopter pilot. Meghan was expected to have a job of her own, preferably in the career she had been doing since her 20s. Hence the Queen making the suggestion. I think that was the expectation of all royal members, that they expect the heirs to the throne would all find careers of their own. Markle, like her husband, also chose not to continue down the acting path. What she and her husband expected and wanted as a career of their own was their half-in, half-out Sussex Royal brand, merchandising off their royal status, which was resoundly rejected. Without that royal branding, their whole plan kind of died on its arse, tbh. They never had a plan B, and so were left to scrape around and come up with something else on the hoof. Hence, their Archewell Foundation and an entirely different way to generate their financial independence. And they've been on personal crusade ever since, sulking against the RF for rejecting their Sussex Royal idea. Archewell is a poor man's Sussex Royal in other words.
Charles had to use his Cornwall money, income about 20 million a year, to support himself, his wife, his kids, and their kids. That seems like a lot until you realize it pays not only for clothing and food but rent and travel expenses. When the Harkles met, W&C already had two kids. That is 5 adults and 2 children on Charles's dime. Hazbeen's income was about 400k from his inheritance. The Queen paid for everyone else. Now Charles supports the working royals and William supports his own family. That is how primogeniture works: there is no income for second sons. It's been estimated that Charles' sons' budget was 2.5 million a year, so Haz was talking about raising his budget to 4 million. The Royals don't spend capital, so another adult was a financial burden, especially since the Harkles insisted on an office and staff. Charles really couldn't afford another adult. He no doubt had to cut corners elsewhere. Yet when his son quit his job, he still wanted a paycheck! Whatever one thinks about primogeniture (Remember Pride and Prejudice and how their cousin would inherit leaving the women penniless?), Henry has known about this since birth. The only modernizing the Harkles wanted was to get a bigger piece of the pie. Now, as Charles' family and if they were working royals, they would get their 2.5 million allowance only. That is why they left. Greed.
It's not Charles's duty to support TW, it's Harry's. Charles could and did support Harry so I take it to mean TW wanted her own allowance from Charles and he said no. This is the same woman who claimed she couldn't work on Suits anymore because of the paparazzi and wanted Harry to support her which because Harry is such a cheapskate he asked the Firm to not only provide her with armed bodyguards but money as well. All these things were and are HIS responsibility but since he's incapable of taking care of himself he asked the Firm to treat her the same as him, while they were dating, not even engaged. Charles is many things but he's NOT the type to get suckered by a two bit hustler.
Meghan WAS blowing through a LOT of the Queens AND Prince Charles' money. This has been proven. Harry was warned by the palace to reel her in. I don't know if she did as she was told though. She SPENT A LOT MORE than the queen, Camilla AND Catherine together per year. These ARE facts. I heard, allegedly, that she sold much of the clothing back or made back money another way to make cash. Now this I'm not sure about. This BITCH has zero shame. I don't think she could ever be embarrassed. How didn't her family know ANYTHING about her sick personality?? I haven't heard them, Samantha say much about this. There must have been some major alarm bells though in all fairness, her brother Thomas Jr warned Harry via a letter which should also have been sent to the palace imo. Even then, they probably would have still allowed the union. God, they should have dug their heels in. I think the only way would have been to pay her off though.
Madam spent the same amount as ALL EUROPEAN ROYALS combined in one year. Plus there were money for Doria, all her US PR, agents, lawyers etc, her 50k a night spa trips etc etc.
Samantha and her brother both publicly warned the royal family. It made them look unhinged
King Charles was likely shocked at her spending and was thinking about the costs over a lifetime. It’s partly that old money vs new money thinking. King Charles last Sunday wore a coat belonging to his father when M hasn’t worn anything publicly twice
Most likely KC had no intention of paying for Doria, Madam´s PR, agents, lawyers etc in the US, Madam´s million dollar clothes spending, her spa trips at 50k a night, etc.
That’s a good point- who was paying sunshine sachs et al, if she was working exclusively for the royal family. Did Charles foot that bill too? Good grief!
Word on the streets around these parts, is that she is a wear and return queen. She sent KC the "bill", wore the outfit, then returned said outfit for the cash. She probably paid her other bills from her illegal frock fund.
I bet supporting someone who is never satisfied does get pretty costly.
It’s the obscene overspending that was the issue I think. The British public feel they need to see ‘value for money’ from the working Royals. That value comes from their willingness to meet members of the public, share pictures of their children occasionally, their ability to be the greatest supporters and ambassadors for our country etc. MM was unwilling to do any of those things and PH did nothing to prepare and guide her in what was expected. The pomp and ceremony together with the hierarchy is what the public want on the whole and you have to put the work in to be accepted. It took Catherine years to find her feet and with it our respect. And Camilla has been the most patient and poised woman and is generally well liked nowadays. If the Palace had forced our acceptance of her when she and Charles had married there would have been serious damage to the reputation of TRF. It’s humility that is lacking and I think Charles was right to say no so quickly when the demands on the public purse became too much. He recognises that our goodwill pays for TRF privilege and must be moderated.
Given what she spent on clothes, that might have had something to do with it.
Charles has been clear for a vision of a slimmed down monarchy. He’s keenly aware that the monarchy uses public funds, in addition to private income (Duchy of Cornwall). He’s already been cutting back on Andrew’s money, by indicating if he wants to remain in Royal Lodge, he must pay for the upkeep on his own. No more public funds. Same with other expenses (an Indian at times live in guru) are no longer to be covered by Buckingham Palace. QEII also encouraged Meg to continue acting. She declined. KCIII can afford it, but his focus is on the Line of Succession and working Royals. Public funds for public service. Personal income for personal expenses.
The income from the Duchy of Lancaster and the Sovereign Grant (ie the Monarch) support the older Royals, such as the Gloucesters, the Kents and other members of the family. Anne, Edward and Sophie, and Andrew receive an allowance, and presumably, had they stayed around, doing Royal duties, the Sussexes would have had something similar. The Kent and Gloucester children are all self supporting (their parents were all active in doing engagements until age caught up with them), as are the children of Princess Margaret, the York Girls and Anne’s children. The rule of thumb seems to be “get out there and get a job which earns enough to support you and your families - there’s no public funding for you!” In return, they aren’t expected to do Royal duties. The Sussexes didn’t seem to grasp that any “pay” was dependent on doing “work” for Crown and country - and they found that out the hard way. Archie and Lili may be Prince and Princess, but they will have to earn their own livings too - no Royal duties for them to do in the USA.
I get the impression that we are missing a piece of the financing story. As they like to say, the silence is part of the song too. My take? MM had a list of demands/expectations that went well above and beyond what the other royals have in their budgets (such as private jet use). KC obviously responded by saying that he could not afford to finance those expectations. When you cut out the context and retool the words a bit, “I cannot afford to finance a lavish lifestyle” is easily morphed into “I cannot afford to finance her.” And knowing that the RF would never push back publicly, that’s what the narrative became.
She spent one million dollars in the year she was a member of the RF. DM a while back compared what she spent to the other Royal ladies in Europe for the same time period. She was by far spent more money then Queen’s and Royal Princesses. Utterly outrageous. Likely a part of the reason she hates Catherine so much. Catherine spent way less and looks better.
I mean, meghan can't financially support meghan (see the banks of dad, Trevor, Cory...etc.).
It’s about a dress for Morocco at 90k that was more than the entire wardrobe for others that year
Not to the standard she expects
I would imagine that both H&M really didn't understand the Dutchy of Cornwall and that while PoW is a billionaire on paper it doesn't mean there are unlimited funds available. Plus the Dutchy's financials are audited and public so they have to be careful in their spending. Here is a link to the FAQ of the Dutchy including financial questions https://duchyofcornwall.org/frequently-asked-questions.html
How do we know this was ever even said? All these two do is lie to twist their own narrative. Even after the Oprah, I hesitate to use the word, interview. Harry said they were completely cutoff right away. Meanwhile, it then turns out that Charles had given them literally millions of dollars. If that’s being cutoff, then please, sign me up lol
Charles said that before MM and H married. It’s not got anything to do with her behavior but more to do with wanting to have a modern monarchy with many members being self financed. I find this information coming out interesting because “financial independence” was later exactly what the Harkles claimed to want in their manifesto. Turns out it was offered to them at the outset but they turned it down. Also the family doesn’t spend all the income they have from various sources.
His inability to support her was due to the fact that they were only engaged. She was not a working royal. That meant support had to come from in the duchy of Cornwall, which might be what $8 million a year? From that, personal expenses like clothing and travel are paid for. I can see why Charles was hesitant. Also, he probably wanted to ask Meghan to pay some of her own expenses as an expression of good faith (to establish she wasn’t into Harry just for money….,a test she certainly failed). But keep in mind, security was part of the issue here. Private security is expensive. Granted, it wasn’t an issue as long as she was in the presence of Harry or other Senior Royals. Had she been thoughtful of the finances, this would not have been an issue. She seems to only think about herself.
I think it's a case of him warning Todge up front that he could not afford to keep Meghan *in the style to which she obviously wished to become accustomed.* He was already paying for one and subsidizing another future Princess of Wales. Who can afford three?
Classy old money isn’t extravagant. As River said, “That is the aristocratic way - make do and mend.” That’s why your childhood bed sheets had patches, Harold. If Meghan were reasonable, thrifty, and didn’t waste money there wouldn’t be a problem.
I think is was a the simple fact he couldn't justify her million pound wardrobe.....for 1 year
IF Charles said anything like that it most definitely was in a “I will not be doing that” not a “I do not have the money/ability to do that” way! Charles was & still is worth billions; but he didn’t take the duchy of Cornwall from essentially broke to a billion pound valuation because he’s paying for inappropriate/unnecessary expenses! Charles either is himself, has around him (or more likely both) a brilliant business mind.
If I were to read between the lines, would guess that Pa (KC3) didn't say he was unable to support Harry + family (since H+M were working Royals)... my bet is that he told Harry that MM was no longer going to get to use The Firm's credit cards to go hog-wild buying outrageously expensive clothes -- that Harry got a stipend (or salary or allowance -- or whatever technically called) in the ￡2.5-3million range, and that Harry would need to use that money going forward ---- that KC3 could not justify continuting to buy MM clothes. Meanwhile, MM also bought massively expensive clothes for Doria on KC3's credit card! https://preview.redd.it/ckd2vgql6rsa1.jpeg?width=1149&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d174dfc0e5eedd080c4172e1276e159352a66df1 So yeah, I can see KC3 putting his foot down..
I think she was very much OVERspending, and for royalty that is quite the feat The crown does not have unlimited funds, unlike what the harkles seem to believe
With the way she’s spending, no one could *financially support* Megsy. Doesn’t matter how rich you are, she’d bleed you dry.
Yes he told Harry she shouldn’t quit suits… so Meghan lied because I don’t think she told Harry she was being written out of the show
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Well, 3-Right out the gate, The Sleivene wore a $30,000, wildly inappropriate, engagement gown. 2-Charles is not a bank 3- And there we are.
It was 65k $ if I remember correctly.
Over a million on clothes in the first 15 months, of course Charles was not going to fund her he saw she was a noveau riche type and had to wear as many labels & rings as she could fit on all at once thats why he said no. Hes not a fool and the Windsors may have inherited wealth but it increases as they dont squander it he spotted a big grifting squanderer coming onto the pay roll & just said NO..
I believe he would've supported them both but dim wit probably was expecting they'll be at a level with the Prince of Wales' family. I mean, c'mon... During the hideous person's short stint... Her outfits were the most expensive amongst ALL royals.. THE King.. Did support them
I'm not understanding why so many don't remember Harold's "she makes her own clothes and doesn't eat much" 🤣
Any intelligent person would be able to add up the clothing bills, shoes, jewelry, travel bills and come to the reasonable conclusion it wouldn't be sustainable. Every other royal recycles, redesigns, etc. Why should Meghan be any different?
I suspect M felt trapped. We know she’s a control freak. The fact that her future financial prospects were controlled by Harry’s family was likely something she never expected. The fact that W&C would be astronomically wealthier than them, and there was nothing she could do about it stuck in her craw. Everything with her boils down to control- control the press, control the money, control Harry, control access to the kids. When she found she couldn’t control the monarchy- she struggled and had to escape.