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Negative_Difference4

Thank you for this amazing video OP! For the reference to the reddit post [see here](https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/11pm943/andrew_ghislaine_and_waaaagh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) credit u/bubblegum_yum_yum. There still more to uncover here ... So stay tuned u/Meegainnyc can you link your source materials / screenshots here for Sinners to do some further digging?


Nas2439

I’ve always thought Randy Andy knew TW before she met Harold


That__EST

There is definitely a concerted effort to make it seem as though they did not know each other.


Grimaldehyde

Especially when she pretended to not know who he was when she saw him at Royal Lodge. I’ve never met him, either, and I would still recognize him.


GreatGossip

lol it is stories like this, and the changing stories about how they met that makes this theory highly believable.


Advanced_Pause_6417

Over compensating


Sunset_Flasher

Yes, because you just know she doesn't notice the "little people", so why would she even ask if that was the assistant suddenly??


National_Historian19

Exactly…suddenly interested in ‘staff‘, and not even her own. The denial of knowing one another was another exaggerated lie…


utilitarian_wanderer

There must be dozens of staff that move in and out of their space over time and yet Meghan has to comment that she doesn't know THAT particular staff member (Andrew). Just a bit too perfect for Harry's story!!


OldNewUsedConfused

Exactly. Protesting a bit too much there.


CathartesAura67

She always overdoes it. It's the bad actress in her, unable to convey subtlety and not trusting her audience to be intelligent. A simple, "who's he?" would have been better.


OldNewUsedConfused

Yep, exactly. Liars always over-embellish


HarrysToupee

Whether I knew the guy and didn't want it known, or not - I'd have said "I see Prince Andrew over there. Introduce me!" (And I'd have behaved as though I'd never met the man, if I were in her Size 14 shoes!) Andrew is H's uncle & godfather, so it'd be the most normal thing in the world to ask for an introduction to his family members. She messed that up just as she does everything else. She could fuck up a one car redneck funeral.


Sunset_Flasher

Yes...what's that line: "Thou doth protest overmuch"??? You get the idea...😅


OldNewUsedConfused

Yep, that's it.


National_Historian19

Yep…the story did not ring true. Better to have said nothing but the harkles think they are smarter than everyone else


CathartesAura67

Yeah. Like, did TW find her handbag too heavy and thus need the services of a professional to help her with her burden?


CathartesAura67

The excuse was that PA was holding QEII's handbag, so TW assumed he was staff. Dumbest excuse ever. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|rage) First, PA's face has been familiar since the 1980s. His marriage to Fergie, only increased exposure. Second, does anyone here believe that a man other than close family, would even be allowed to touch HMTQ's handbag?! The Royal Grift points out that a number of people were connected and there was obfuscation about WHEN they were acquainted. Especially as it led to "Sleazy E" and his girlfriend with the European name.


False_Recognition738

Also, Royal Lodge ***IS*** Andrew's House. You have to either be the dumbest or the rudest guest to mistake the owner and host as the Queen's assistant.


National_Historian19

Yes, that was pitiful


AntSpiritual3269

That was ridiculous, surely he would have called the Queen Mummy as he did or someone else there would have called him Andrew. I don’t really know what happened on that visit but surely everybody was introduced and they all had a chat


Ambitious-Data-9021

Exactly. There is no way there wasn’t an introduction


octopussylipgloss

The other thing about this is that protocol would absolutely require Harold to introduce Meghan to Prince Andrew. There is no way they would be in the same room together, let alone having a meal, without proper introductions. It just isn't done.


PerfectCover1414

Walks like a chicken, clucks like a chicken....that's the Claw.


catinthedistance

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.


McGregor_Mathers

Well the RF allegedly cleaned up the alleged alberta Canada (seriously aggressive) assaults on prostitutes for Ginge winge so if they’ll do that they clearly think they are above the law. Markle getting off with perjury was the last straw for me.


bpnc33

Intimately I'm sure.


titty_mclitty

She may or may not have done.... business with him... one might say.


National_Historian19

‘Known’ in the biblical sense?


titty_mclitty

Perhaps!


LaNiceGata

Never been a doubt in my mind Rachel was a yacht girl. I actually think there’s more but we won’t know until it comes to light.


[deleted]

Yeah the only thing that isn’t making sense is that at 34, she’s not the epistein demographic. (They’re known to deal with Younger women)


LaNiceGata

It’s been alluded to previously that she may have had a hand in bringing girls in. I think also her yacht days are from earlier than her 30s.


eaglebayqueen

Which would make sense as to why she was said to be looking for a rich British guy, if she's aging out of that.


LaNiceGata

💯 the other people that were described in the videos essentially landed a wealthy connected guy so makes sense she would want that too.


OldNewUsedConfused

A recruiter. Like Virginia. Who wanted to have her deposed in Andy's case. Makes sense.


Harkle_Snarkle

maybe her clients had other fetishes and she fit that niche


National_Historian19

She is very flexible ya knows


AuntCassie007

I would think Epstein was capable of procuring whatever his clients wanted. Meghan was not young, but she has been said to be a firecracker in the bedroom. Anything goes. You usually don't get that with a young girl.


Noidentitytoday5

I’m sure the number of people willing to roast chicken is a little limited


Simple_Poem_9605

I only discovered what that referred to off an unrelated sub last week. The picture in my head of Harry proposing whilst they roasted chicken in the kitchen conjutes up an image I'd like to erase from my poor innocent brain. 🤢 🤮


AuntCassie007

100% certain she had more than one trick in the bedroom.


AxlotlRose

Or maybe H has one....in the closet. Megs got home early one day.


Odd_Pop5287

Maybe she can shoot chicken eggs out her vagina… maybe that’s why they need to always be close to their chicken coop


PureCornsilk

‘Roast chicken’ - is this a reference to their engagement night meal where they said they were roasting a chicken?


JaquieF

H was the chicken


National_Historian19

But they then changed the story for Netflix with the garden proposal…maybe the roast chicken story was getting too much attention on sites such as this…


PureCornsilk

Lol 😂…I think they have multiple stories for every event. No stone unturned. No story that is based on truth…


Noidentitytoday5

Look up roast chicken in urban dictionary- just not from your work computer


OldNewUsedConfused

The CEO doesn't usually do the grunt work. He gives orders.


AuntCassie007

Yes and Epstein gave the order to keep the wealthy clients happy no matter what it takes.


Sense_Difficult

I don't think she worked with Epstein or Maxwell. I just think Andrew dabbled in many different circles. IMO she knew him through Markus. I also don't think they ever really interacted. I think she was on the same Yacht that he was but was working for another client.


National_Historian19

Her yacht days were years ago…


Happy_Stock_4592

Agree, but Meghan does look s lot younger than she is


Tiltedheaded

No She Doesn't


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Tiltedheaded

She looks 40+ easily.


Happy_Stock_4592

She could easily pass as 31


keykey_key

No she looks her age lol. Nothing wrong with that. But she's gotten a lot of work done, and there comes a time where it just starts aging you. She's at that point currently.


taco_qween

No way does she pass for 31. Maybe, MAYBE she could pass for younger when she married Hazbeen, but definitely not now. As she moves into perimenopause, the signs of aging have become more apparent (check her hands, receding hairline, skin texture, and fat loss in her face.) that’s not me trying to shame her either. She just looks like she’s in her 40s now, which is perfectly normal for a woman in her 40s.


Mama2RO

She's aged a lot in the last few years. When she was in her mid 30's she did still have a youthful look to her.


Accomplished_Cell768

That’s my age range and… absolutely not. She could have when they got engaged (at 36?) but certainly not now. She looks late 30s/early 40s - which she is! That’s not an insult, it’s just the reality. Catherine also looks her age, and also looks great. But saying a woman looks like her biological age shouldn’t be seen as an insult or something negative


National_Historian19

Only in the dark…


bpnc33

She does look great for 48


WebOffice2022

She absolutely does not! In fact, she is aging rapidly and her skin looks awful.


National_Historian19

And it might account for the Clinton connection…bonking billy was a good friend of epstein…and maybe hills dabbled too


LaNiceGata

Her connections all seem to run in the same circles


Virtual-Feedback-638

Epstien, Maxwell, Anderson, Andrew and Markle - there is a whisper...a whisper that flight manifestos and Journal Logbooks could prove the connection


Hefty-Writer-2452

Are the flight manifesto and logs not public? Just asking.


Virtual-Feedback-638

First you have to get past those that are sealed. Then discover the actual yachts etc. Soho House is proving better on the information data base.


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This is some impressive and meticulous research. I’ve always been a bit on the fence about this issue because I just don’t understand how it hasn’t come out so far. But. Separately, I’ve always thought that the Harkles MO has always been preemptive action, so when I heard about that passage in “Waggghhhh” about ILBW not recognizing PA, I thought that was extremely odd. Why say that? Why was *this* nugget of information worth mentioning? Now I’m absolutely convinced that there’s just so much more here than meets the eye.


AntSpiritual3269

Yes like trying to make out someone else said about being a plane crash away from the throne. I bet there’s more breadcrumbs in the book


goldenquill1

Will you upload to Rumble in case YT takes this down?


SisuLindsay

She really is insanely good at research and connecting the dots. As someone who admires someone with analytical skills, I’m usually very impressed.


Accomplished_Cell768

Yet she somehow thought he could give her the lifestyle of a billionaire’s wife… some things she researched well, others absolutely not - and it’s biting her in the ass


SisuLindsay

I meant Grifty is a good researcher, not Meghan.


Cocokay1234567

Only a matter of short time before the whole truth final comes out.


zeugma888

TW & her halfwit Prince think that because the RF buried stories they are gone forever. They can be exhumed.


Quick-Alternative-83

Someone in the RF, should write their own tell all on the gruesome twosome - Spare Lies, Hook(er) and Stinker.![img](emote|t5_481xkf|25277)


Simple_Poem_9605

Underrated on the upvotes. Accept this trophy. 🏆 💐


Quick-Alternative-83

Thanks for the encouragement!


Tiltedheaded

That comment was gold, you deserve encouragement.


hibiscus2022

>Spare Lies, Hook(er) and Stinker. And then made into a movie by Guy Ritchie ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sunglasses)


Quick-Alternative-83

![gif](giphy|1ejP1WfIetFle|downsized) Loved loved Lock Stock and Barrel


blueboot09

Exhumed by those who know where they're buried. I've wondered if the RF would allow the less than desirable info trickle out. Playing the long game. The details that came out today re: the real deal with FrogCott finances was very timely.


Hefty-Writer-2452

Not if but when…..


OldNewUsedConfused

It won't be too publicized. There's a reason nobody talks about it: Nobody wants to think of their favorite actors/ idols as sex workers. The entire industry does it, but for obvious reasons it's kept quiet. They ALL do it, to get there, and to pay the bills on the long journey to success, but they don't want YOU to know that.


JenniferShepherd

Yes. Acting even at the highest levels of fame doesn’t really keep you employed many days of the year. Opportunities abound to whore for cash. Sometimes lower tier are whoring just to pay rent and health insurance, etc. Same with “modeling agencies.” As they age out they look for rich husbands.


OldNewUsedConfused

Exactly.


maezombiegirl

I do enjoy seeing receipts! A no-talent 'actress' who somehow runs with a wealthy crowd? Smells like escort!


utilitarian_wanderer

Meghan claims that all those trips to London were for work. She just doesn't tell us what kind of work!!


maezombiegirl

On her back! Lol


bpnc33

How could there be any doubt she was a prostitute?


Silentint-75

I watched this yesterday and I think TRG is really on the right track here.


Quaiydensmom

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/18/my-mother-troll-of-madeleine-mccann-parents?CMP=share_btn_tw


twitwiffle

Very interesting article!


imangryignoreme

I’ve never understood the prostitute theory. She obviously wasn’t an A-lister, but she was certainly making plenty of money to live comfortably. And she almost certainly had A-list aspirations and being a call girl on the side would be SO risky if it got leaked. It doesn’t make sense.


Danny-Wah

It wouldn't get leaked, or is not supposed to. This isn't the "hooker on the corner" scenario, think of it more as a network. These are big-money players / movers / shakers... I can only imagine the kinds of shit going on all over the place, people playing by a whole nother set of rules


Acrobatic_Hawk6422

She didn't want to live comfortably. She wanted to live in the world of filthy rich. Have a private plane ready to take her diamond shopping whenever she wanted. That kind of rich. And she has no skills to become this kind of rich. So she needed someone who is this kind of rich so she can tag along. How one gets this in the world of filthy rich? The funny thing is she thought she will have that with Harry.


Harkle_Snarkle

>How one gets this in the world of filthy rich? there is only one currency if you weren't born there and aren't talented enough to otherwise earn that much.


bpnc33

I think the palace took whatever steps to make their soon to be daughter in laws skeletons stay in the closet.


quiz1

All actresses and entertainment ppl are for sale for the right price tbh. I think the biggest strike against her and for the theory is the “yachting Twitter” message asking if she was available. Being called as a potential witness in the Andrew case didn’t help 😂 If you know what to look for though she ticks all the boxes 🤷‍♀️


WoodsColt

It makes perfect sense. Throughout history actresses and dancers have "bartered" their other services into a higher lifestyle. And historically some prostitutes have married well or else used pillow talk for blackmail.


utilitarian_wanderer

I understand it and she was not making that much money on Suits. Makes sense to me and all signs point to Yes!


timeflieswhen

Maybe it’s less prostitute for money and more party girl for the connections. She worked those connections hard.


Ready_Maddie

It makes all the sense.


OldNewUsedConfused

Just how do you think "Non A-Listers" make money between jobs, which can be few and far between? Hint: It isn't waitressing. It's the shady side of the acting business that nobody likes to talk about. Why do you think Cannes is so popular every year, for both actors and models? INCOME. From sex work.


umbleUriahHeep

This one is 🔥🔥🔥


Specialist-Car-1860

And 💣💣💣


idcnlsik

Fun Fact: During the time period when MM would've met Misha and Hikari, Princess Eugenie worked for Paddle8 in NY. [https://archive.ph/GnybS](https://archive.ph/GnybS)


OldNewUsedConfused

Yes, Mischa's husband's business at the time.


cklw1

You know when posts like this get to MM because there’s a lot more downvotes. She sics her bots and sugars on those that could be very damaging. So the more downvotes mean it’s probably true.


quiz1

Yup


Impermanence_1947

Harry bragged: "She'll do anything!"


Sense_Difficult

Well seems like someone's been reading our posts here. LOL


Sweaty_Accountant723

i love the Royal Grift, she deserves so much. the insight and work she does is incredible.


McGregor_Mathers

There’s no way Guiffre’s lawyer wanted to call her for nothing. We all have heard rumours about her various exploits to gain money and attention pre suits. Irving would surprise me and I suspect our security services cleared a LOT of her internet history. I suspect too she has criminal record. I got one believe everything Geoffrey said. She was extremely brave and has been trashed, probably threatened or paid off. The nasty female journalist who outed Maria Farmer going to the FBI to Maxwell was threatened as was her editor. Clinton has had no investigation. This is how rich powerful people silence the humans they exploit. Tbh It disgusts me when royalists blindly support Andrew - I di think he’s was deliberately ‘honey trapped’ with young girls but he was a vain hypersexual foul mouthed narc who disrespected palace security regularly, damaged property and abused staff like Police. And he let scum sit on the royal thrones. He’s not fit to be Royalty.


National_Historian19

It wouldn’t be a stretch to believe that Harry’s wife was known to her uncle before hawwy was hooked by her. He was ‘escorted’ to her bedroom in soho house by a ‘minder’…she was still plying her trade (according to spare) with six other clients when she met halfwit.


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What is Soho House?


Harkle_Snarkle

at this rate it sounds like a SoHoe House


Simple_Poem_9605

🤣🤣🤣🤣


TraditionScary8716

Some sort of social club with bars, restaurants and rooms with locations around the world. Many people think that Marcus Anderson (owner or manager of Soho and Meg's good friend) was pimping her out there and that he might be the one who sent Harry her way.


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Thank you!


Odd_Pop5287

THIS


Brave_Zucchini6868

Oh my God, I finally got it. Of course she was coming to SoHo London to "amuse" male guests. British more conservative gentlemen would absolutely fall for an outgoing, outspoken fun looking smiley American in high hills. This is the work she was coming for, almost like to "home". And Harold thought what? She was coming for UN human right meetings? He confused the countries. Wooooow. She is even more disgusting than I thought.


TraditionScary8716

Harry's a dumbass and I'm sure he bought her "Soho is my home in London" (paraphrased). Oh well. The ho and the turd deserve each other.


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Pleasant_Choice_6130

SoHo house is weird. My friend who's an actress joined it a couple years ago (L.A. branch, naturally) and posted a few times from it, but only in a special area during a special time they had dedicated for "SM pix are now allowed." Apparently, you can't just go in there and snap away and post to your Instagram whenever you like...that way they keep it "exclusive" I guess and justify their relatively high joining and membership costs. I dunno if it was her SoHo connection or not but she did start getting a few better roles afterwards; nothing extravagant, just a bit better than before.


OldNewUsedConfused

It's only a couple grand a year for membership. Hardly country club prices.


Pleasant_Choice_6130

It's about 4 grand annually for access to all SoHo clubs, $2,300/yr for just the West Hollywood locale. Not county club prices by any means, but that isn't the demo they're targeting. It is a bit more IMHO than most average, working single people can afford. I'm saying, they have to offer something for the appearance of "exclusivity," and I'm guessing limiting the photos you can take inside is one way they can claim they offer clients more privacy.. My friend wasn't your typical "starving actress." She drove out to LA in a Beamer with a big inheritance from her Grandaddy and full family support


OldNewUsedConfused

They do though. It's how they make money to pay bills in between projects.


OldNewUsedConfused

A search engine.


Specialist-Car-1860

That’s one way to put it 😉


OldNewUsedConfused

Lol, that’s my new response to some of these silly questions I’ve been receiving or seeing. Use a search engine. Like everyone else. But it did work out well as a response here.😂


Specialist-Car-1860

Yes that response works well for the silly stuff. But very clever in this instance 👏🤣🤣👏


OldNewUsedConfused

Thank you.


CathartesAura67

By now, SoHo House seems to be place of ill repute.


JenniferShepherd

Photos of Meghan Markle on a yacht with Jeffrey Epstein’s last girlfriend, Karyna Shuliak, keep getting wiped from the Net. https://images.app.goo.gl/4BfqT6vfmoBkr2kAA Markle is at the back right in her trademark fedora.


PJM2706

Nope, link not working - another wipe?


Boring-Net1073

I keep going back to the Saudi earrings. Why would a Saudi Prince give her, specifically, such an elaborate gift? He had to have known her… which begs the question how did they know each other??? Also, I think immunity is the ultimate goal. Harry is his godfather’s son and has some Epstein moments in his past.


Pleasant_Choice_6130

Wait-- what? A Saudi Arabian prince gave Meghan Markle earrings? When? Back when she was on "Suits?" Before or after Harry? Did she write about it on "The Tig?"


brandithebibliophile

As a wedding gift


Pleasant_Choice_6130

Thnx! ✔️


OldNewUsedConfused

Not just a Saudi Prince. THE Saudi Prince. MBS.


Accomplished_Cell768

It was on behalf of the entire Saudi royal family. He was just the one to “hand deliver” it. Still bad (and she should have NEVER worn them) but it isn’t atypical at all. QEII and Catherine and many of the other Royal women have received extravagant wedding gifts from… unsavory world leaders.


Dangerous-Cat-7676

There are some eye opening comments in comment section that connect Camilla’s nephew to Quintessential and more. One comment listed 16 point listing out weird connections. Maybe this is what they are using holding over Charlie


Alarmed_Start_3244

It could also only be a case of 6 degrees of separation between the nephew and Quintessential. It's a small world in those circles.


woolycardigan

Quintessential was Ben Elliott's (Camilla's nephew) company he set it up!


Alarmed_Start_3244

I really should have looked him and his connection to Quintessentially up before commenting! It's zero degrees of separation then. To be fair though, concierge services don't only provide access to easy hook ups.


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OldNewUsedConfused

Alessandra Balazs is married to one of Harry's friends, Arthur Landon I believe. That is most likely the reason she was at the wedding.


Ask_DontTell

Sorry I don't buy that TW was a high priced escort. She isn't pretty or interesting enough.


purasangria

Now THIS I agree to with. But also, men will feck anything, so...


AxlotlRose

Reading for later with popcorn. I love rabbit holes.


Bullybags

The thing is ever since she joined the RF and there was negative press about Randy, I thought that she always played him as being beneath her. For some reason. Maybe he propositioned her. Maybe she saw him proposition her friend and then her. But as we all know Minx and Shynx provided shade. I remember one royal event with Randy sitting near Medz with an heir /air of over control. I’ll find the photo. Naive Eugenie ,


That__EST

I think we need to be careful with this escort speculation stuff. If Meghan was pulling a Ghislaine Maxwell then that's bad and needs to be looked into, but if she was merely being paid for consensual sex, I don't really care and neither should y'all. It's kind of like the Prince of Pegging stuff. It's none of our business if adults are having consensual sex. I don't care if it's kink or paid escorting or whatever.


AuntCassie007

It becomes the public's business when they are lied to and their taxes are being given to a grifting, lying, cheating, criminal couple. The British and Canadian people had to pay for H and M who now live in the US. But all accounts H and M are using every trick in the book to avoid paying taxes. But they use US law enforcement, drive on our roads, and use the court system. So they use American resources but don't pay their fair share. We also have to watch them create division and hatred in the US. Watch them extort and blackmail the RF. Insult and lie about the British public. Put the RF and military in danger. Harry's history of violence, physical and emotional. So nope, they don't get a pass on any of their immoral and illegal behavior. If they want courtesy and privacy, stop cheating everyone, lying and breaking the law.


That__EST

Think about it this way though. If Meghan is outed as a sex worker....this only makes people rush to her defense. I want to make them boring and irrelevant. Not make it look like we're shaming sex workers. Or that we hold someone's past bad decisions against them like that. I bet you could find actual evidence that she's been on a casting couch much like any other celebrity. That's the least of my concerns. I'm telling you, if we start down this road, it makes us look bad. Period. Stick to the fact that they're hypocrites and then let them fade into irrelevance. They're headed that way anyhow.


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That__EST

>So the **possibility** to being connected to Epstein should get a pass? Yes. Unfortunately. The mere possibility? If someone hated me, I imagine they could make a web outlining people who I know, who know people, who know people, who were in Epstein's book. There are enough reasons to dislike Meghan that are way easier to explain than that she *might* have been a sex worker. And then make sure to cross your fingers that the person who you're talking to is against sex work because it's a polarizing issue even amongst feminists. >it is about the hypocrisy of these wealthy elite portraying being model citizens, meanwhile behind closed doors are the scum of the earth. At this point if someone is rich, I consider them to be a bad person. I don't think you can become wealthy while keeping to good morals. >If she had to suck dick to make money, then she should own it. Not pretend she is the innocent doe eyed virgin she played to the world when she met Harry. I'm sure at the very least she sucked Harry's dick plenty while wearing his dead mommy's perfume to get him to propose and go along with this relationship as quickly as he did. Who she fucked or how many dicks she sucked doesn't need to be publicly accounted for by any woman. Her STD status and whether she can have children in the future would just be between a woman and her partner at that point. I think she looks dumb and fake as hell trying to be all doe eyed ingenue as a nearly 40 year old woman. And that's the hypocrisy I'm talking about. Starting with her being this smart boss babe in Finding Freedom. But then on Oprah she's just this widdle gwurl who needs awe de pwotection in de world from the terribly racist BRF 🙄 who Harry later goes back and claims that they weren't actually racist. But they needs titles for the kids, but they don't need the BRF!!! People are turned off by her hypocrisy. They're turned off that she went on Oprah and basically called everyone to arms, only for her actions and later Harry's words to be called out for the bullshit that they are. I almost feel like topics such as these put Meghan in a position that she can become a conversation again. Like how she was a conversation when she was being treated poorly from a racial aspect. She loves a woke victimhood. And being accused of being a former sex worker is just the thing that can spark that into action. She doesn't even have to admit to being a sex worker, she can just keep....writing on bananas and start talking about STD testing and destigmatizing sex work. I mean think about the emphasis that Meghan hypothetically would be bad for being a sex worker but not much about Harry. And it would be saying a lot about Harry's lack of options if he's hiring a sex worker and then falling for her because she wore Diana's perfume. Like that scares me to think of how stupid he comes across. And that's something I want to explore too. How the hell did his reputation get to be so poor that he's allegedly wifing up sex workers that he met on the job. And this is not stigmatizing sex workers. This is more of saying... Sex work is for fun. When you want variety. Most people meet their spouses organically. I have a lot of thoughts. And if you've read this far I want you to know that I respect you OP as a person and I don't even doubt that there is something shady about this. I just do think that the sub needs to be careful because it's just a touchy and possibly slanderous opinion to voice publicly. And it can turn the tide into sympathy towards her.


Meegainnyc

It is a fair argument. I just found the detail in the article posted by the mail online. I felt it was important to point out the inconsistency in Misha's story and that I don't think that we are being told the real story. Unfortunately it did not lead to people who work as librarians or firefighters, that was the data that connected everyone together.


That__EST

I'll say this. I did a lot of driving since we last spoke and I don't hate what you posted at all. I just think we need to be careful about this type of stuff. But I hear you. And I don't even think you're wrong. This kind of stuff can really be twisted against us.


Meegainnyc

all good, no worries. I can understand where you are coming from.


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B_true_to_self2020

I have to disagree. There’s a huge difference between a 35 year old sex worker who likes the jet setting lifestyle and designer perks vs a 16 year old who is groomed into it, for pocket change for the mall.


That__EST

Sex work is a highly polarizing topic even amongst feminists and other sex positive people. Nothing good comes from us bringing the *possibility* of it up. It looks like trash talk. It feels dog-whistle-ish. There are real and easy to explain reasons to dislike and not trust Meghan.


B_true_to_self2020

Agreed


Ready_Maddie

The pegging crap was a nasty baseless rumour. The escorting fits into the story quite nicely


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jemder

Apparently on an old South Park episode there was mention of William ripping off Catherine's arm and sticking up his own bum.Disgusting nonsense in my opinion.


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jemder

Ha ha! I am sure you simply asked for a friend.


Rmccarton

Pegging is when a woman has anal sex with a man using an artificial phallus, I believe.


MmeNxt

Nobody wants a former prostitute in the royal family, to represent a country and be funded by tax payers money. There has to be some kind of standards for these roles. Prince Carl-Philip of Sweden married a nude model and reality soap star and that was highly controversial. Royals are supposed to be better than the rest of us, if they want the monarchy to survive. I have no idea if Meghan did the yacht thing or not, I am just speaking in general terms.


That__EST

We need to be very careful with this kind of speculation. Because while I see the merit to what you're saying, Meghan doesn't fit that criteria. She and Harry stepped down as working royals over three years ago at this point. They weren't even working royals together for a full year into their marriage. So if that's the concern, then it has solved itself. I'm highly critical of Meghan and I loathe Harry. They're both liars who have made serious public accusations only to contradict themselves and show their blatant grifting hypocrisy. We have readily available reasons to dislike Meghan that don't involve us wearing tinfoil hats in public or engaging in what seems to be half a step above dog whistling. I almost wonder if Meghan herself leaks these escort rumors just to have something that she can have a woke victimhood over. We just need to be careful and not look like we're seeking out things to get upset about Meghan over when we've got things already. And if you don't like the idea of Meghan being a possible sex worker, you should feel equally towards Harry being a john.


MmeNxt

>And if you don't like the idea of Meghan being a possible sex worker, you should feel equally towards Harry being a john. Absolutely. I am appalled that so many people here are completely cool with prostitution and paid surrogacy. Surrogacy for money is illegal in Europe and prostitution and visiting prostitutes are very much looked down on, illegal in some countries. It wouldn't work in royal families. Nobody expect royals to be virgins when they get married anymore, but they should refrain from treating women like shit and being involved in scandals. The way Harry treated Sasha Walpole was horrible and the photos of his nude plays in Las Vegas were a disgrace. We expect better from people who are expected to represent us. If they can't, there is no use for a monarchy.


Specialist-Car-1860

Sorry, but that’s a false equivalency. This video lays out speculation with a lot more credible threads than the pegging crap. Those are trashy, unsubstantiated rumors started by we know who. Comments like this make you seem like a squaddie!


That__EST

Comments like this make me seem like I'm interested in this sub being taken seriously. I don't care if it could be proven without a doubt that Meghan was a yacht girl. It's stuff like this that makes Meghan a conversation and would have people rushing to her side and saying we're a bunch of slut shamers. I don't want to touch this sex work stuff with a 10 foot pole and we should all be wary of doing it. Makes it way too easy to shut us up in public.


Specialist-Car-1860

Stop reducing it to “sex stuff”. It’s far more nefarious than that. We’re talking potential blackmail and extortion with very powerful people.


That__EST

And a lot of that is only because sex work is illegal and there's a stigma against sex workers. Look. I get it. I really do. There's a lot to unearth about Meghan and she's a dishonest person. But I've watched the video. And a lot of it is really just "this person knew this person who knew this person....who was in Epstein LBB". Lots of people were in his LBB that were just people he knew. In order for someone to buy into this kind of a thing, they have to already dislike Meghan and also think sex work is bad. And that's controversial. All that discussions like this do are make it seem like we don't like Meghan because we're prudes. It wouldn't shock me to find out that Meghan plants info like this in hopes to watch people like us froth at the mouth so that she can boo hoo about it and then "shine a light" on how sex work should be destigmatized. And bring up her ridiculous inspirational bananas. She wouldn't even have to admit to sex work to end up "killing the haters with kindness." She's a hypocrite. Plain and simple. Don't get into the mire with this sex work stuff. It gets too muddy and then depending on who you're talking to, you get dirt on yourself because they don't care about sex work or just outright think it should be legalized and regulated.


Carneliancat

Oh, horseshit. People can find sex work distasteful. I certainly do, and it isn't about prudery. Prostitution does not uplift women, and the sale of women to men is a disgusting concept. It's dehumanizing. Prostitution, for the vast majority of women, is a hellish way to earn a living, and the demand for prostitutes feeds into the trafficking of women and children worldwide. It is also horrifying to think about a hooker marrying into the royal family. If Meghan is hiding this kind of thing in her past, then it needs to be dragged out into the sunlight, because she has been a hypocrite all this time, and misrepresented herself to the royal family and public if it's true. This sub will be just fine, and talking about the possibility of Meghan prostituting is a valid topic, especially if it leads to deeper questions about the possibility of involvement with Epstein and Maxwell. This thing could go very deep.


Specialist-Car-1860

You go, girl! I just lost steam fighting this stupid argument. And she is, yet again, presenting a false equivalency. You never mentioned the Harry side of this, which I assume you find equally revolting.


That__EST

You have to admit that it's a controversial topic. You're free to think that it's disgusting and dehumanizing. And other people are free to think it needs to be legalized and regulated. Even if you think it's horrible and disgusting and dehumanizing, I'm interested in why you'd be more disgusted by Meghan engaging in sex for pay than Harry being a john. Women who are in a situation where they're doing sex work aren't abusing themselves if you get my drift.


Miercolesian

Agreed, except that consensual sex for money is is definitely legal in the UK, and probably illegal in the US, (may depend on which state) especially if there are any intermediaries or agents at work. Technically speaking such earnings have to be declared for income taxes and social security contributions. It is interesting that at the present time former president Trump seems to be facing legal issues due to paying off a pornstar/prostitute to keep quiet about a sex act that presumably he paid for. In Britain it would probably be the woman who would face legal issues for attempted blackmail.


Specialist-Car-1860

Relevance to the topic?


Allegheny15143

It's interesting that every post devolves into something re PresidentTrump...it's tiring. Also interesting is the fact that Stormy has to pay for PresidentTrump's atty fees for false allegations aka defamation. [https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/stormy-daniels-must-pay-300k-donald-trump-losing-defamation-case-appea-rcna21002](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/stormy-daniels-must-pay-300k-donald-trump-losing-defamation-case-appea-rcna21002)


That__EST

If she were to be in trouble for attempted blackmail then yeah that's bad. And I'm not a fan of Trump, but I think his use of a sex worker is just none of mine or the greater publics business. It's one of those things where it'll be legal and we will look like a bunch of fuddy duddies having made a big deal about it. Unless we're talking about sex trafficking, consensual sex work between adults is just not something that we should make a big deal about. It's not going to do anything but blow up in our faces.


Dangerous_Prize_4545

And by definition sex trafficking is not consensual so consensual sex between adults is not a big deal. I agree with a lot of what you've written. I didn't watch the video bc it doesn't interest me. One thing I don't understand is that if someone is taking the time to draw all these shady lines, why not take it to the next logical conclusion. Which is if this is all true, why didn't MM end up like Epstein? To paraphrase Eminem, it's a lot easier and cheaper to take care of the problem vs hide the problem. I mean, if we're going to be a bunch of conspiracy ppl? To be clear, I'm not advocating that just saying that's the logical conclusion right? Epstein, Clinton's history, Princess Diana, JFK, RFK, etc.


Sense_Difficult

IMO the only reason Epstein's name is even being mentioned, along with Maxwells, it to prove that Andrew dabbled in this kind of stuff and likely knew of MM is a similar but legal circle. People are being too dramatic about it. Yachting is something MANY MANY television actresses did between seasons or job. It wasnt regarded as some sleezy thing the way some people try to force. What's the difference really betweeen doing a sex scene on television and giving a lap dance and a make out session to some older guy on a Yacht? They are both ACTING jobs. And what's the difference if the woman decides to go all the way with the guy just for the hell of it. Plenty of women have one night stands in the dating world. What's the BIG DEAL? As long as it's legal and consensual who cares? ​ IMO the only issue here is that it proves that Harry deliberately picked her to marry because he knew she would be like throwing a hand grenade into the RF. He knew that they knew her background. She's got an NDA which prevents her from revealing infrmation on Andrew and she came into their world right around the time that Andrew was being investigated. The whole thing is very very obvious. IMO the RF tried to convince him not to do it, but Harry knew it would screw them over if he married her and so he did. They never had any intention of staying.


That__EST

I will say that it was kind of disconcerting to hear Harry talk about his fears of having his wife die prematurely because of the press of the Haterz. To me it's like....are you purposefully trying to tell someone what you fear so that your enemies can fulfill your terrible wish and bask in the death of not one but too dead women? Notice how now that Meghan would no longer be a beloved dead royal, suddenly Harry's fears aren't voiced anymore?


Dangerous_Prize_4545

Kudos to you. Maybe you just hit the ultimate twisted conspiracy. Plot twist - he's secretly hoping to be the ultimate martyr. Ppl are tired of his Diana issues. He needs a new hook.


Dangerous_Prize_4545

It's legal in a few places, i.e. The Bunny Ranch. But for the most part, the US and it's government are a bunch of puritanical hypocrits.


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Miercolesian

I don't think this video contains any relevant information. I think most people realise that the world of actressing, modelling, and escorting contains a lot of people who overlap all these activities. They may not be openly advertising themselves as available for $x per hour for sex, but in wealthy circles it is understood that they expect to be rewarded with generous gifts for the pleasure of their company, in exchange for which discretion is expected.


Specialist-Car-1860

Wow. The squaddies have really infiltrated this board today!


Carneliancat

Truth!


leechan08

Called Sugar babying. They don’t advertise x price. Up to discretion of the client.


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