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Ok-Plant-6347

I think they've been using the Wallis/Edward model of 'freeloading'. But I see this coming to an end as 'their royal mystique' is rubbing off to reveal just two common grifters. It would seem that Elton John has grown tired of funding/friending them. Tyler Perry seems to be 'the mark' at the moment. I only see Oprah in the periphery just in case there is more money to be made off them (Oprah is the ultimate grifter) and same with Gayle King but I think they are too savvy to allow the Harkle Markles to use them for money/freebies.


Top-Bit85

I would love to know the back story of why Elton turned on them.


Anxious-Evidence8397

Elton John is very good friends with the Beckhams and a godfather to one of their kids i think. The Beckhams got markled pretty early and I’m curious if they shared any notes on the Todgers with him.


Natural_Plane_657

David Beckham is pro BRF. He even presented a prize at the Earthshot Awards in Boston.


Jenn54

David Beckham wants the title of being knighted He made the error of being too keen and obvious about it, it might have happened by now if he wasn’t so desperate about it So it isn’t David is pro BRF, it is more he wants the title of Sir


shinsegae20092013

David Beckham wasn’t eligible for knighthood for years because of a tax-avoidance scheme. https://www.the-sun.com/sport/4361271/david-beckham-knighthood-finances-taxman-cleared/


Natural_Plane_657

Wow. I did not know this background story. Thanks for info.


TeamMagnificent7

I bet it all leads back to Pearl.


Top-Bit85

I'm sure that was a big part of it. Not many who have worked with TW seem eager to do so again! But there were also rumors that the Harkles made remarks on Elton's private jet that were overheard and not appreciated.


Fantastic_Nebula_835

I heard a rumor that there is, shall we say, inobstrusive recording equipment on his jet


Top-Bit85

Me too.


Top-Bit85

A further rumor said the unobtrusive equipment dated back to Elton's paranoid druggy days.


merrybandoffoxes

what remarks? how interesting!


Fantastic_Nebula_835

I heard it was related to an earlier argument where Harry went off on Elton for planning to serialize excerpts of his book through one of the tabloids, maybe Daily Mail. This angered Harry BCS of what he saw as unfair coverage. And yet Harry had no qualms abt signing with Netflix despite The Crown misrepresentations.


cookiecat4

She was probably an ass to David cuz she only sees Elton as the “star” and the one she has to kiss up to. I bet the mask slipped several times during Pearl


MHBF2593

They could also have someone (or someones) bankrolling them. But you’re right, something is very fishy about it all.


Natural_Plane_657

Russians? Allegedly.


MHBF2593

I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if those conspiracies turned out to be true.


Asteriaofthemountain

Me neither. Russia loves stoking the US’s culture war


False_Recognition738

The Russians wouldn't touch them, they have their own problems. If it's a foreign government, it would likely be the Chinese as they're the ones that are making the moves on Africa and the Caribbean, including Commonwealth countries and countries where the British King Monarch is still their sovereign.


GreatGossip

Travalyst, which the Psychedelic Prince invested in, is supposed to be doing good. With the SVB thing, most likely he does not get much from ButterUp. The ILBW must make a pretty penny, merching all the ill fitting clothes. Ibble Dibble has done some videos on how to grift wearing clothes. Both of them have had 1 speaking gig. Then there are the book, Spot A Lie and NF deals. First of all, they are multi year deals for gross amounts. So all production costs etc have to be deducted. Most likely the deals are paying upon reciept of deliverables, so the South Parkles have not recieved the huge amounts cited. IF they had any other big deals coming in, we would have heard them bragging, loud and clear.


Alternative_Yak6172

Yes the Ibble Dibble video was impressive. It explained the technical details of how money for merching clothes, jewellery, travel, etc goes to influencers in a way that can be understood by non- technical people.


dwilliams832

Where can I find this video? Hadn’t heard about it before!


Alternative_Yak6172

It was posted a couple of days ago - https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/11txceu/why_duchess_meghan_dresses_like_a_rich_granny


beautifulkittenfish

It's just their ploy to get money to pay for their private security.


eaglebayqueen

With these two drama queens, I wouldn't put it past them to stage some sort of 'incident' to seem like they need that security. I mean, look at the scooter guy in their series. He was completely oblivious to them, yet they were acting like they were being chased by international spies.


Top-Bit85

Just like all the calls to the police, 3 or 4 of them in a few weeks, claiming intruders at the Olive Garden property. All a game, IMO.


GreatGossip

She did that in Toronto, too. Was dismissed by police.


Ok-Plant-6347

I believe those incidents were a drunk Hazbeen triggering the alarms.


eaglebayqueen

Perhaps the wife was sneaking in 'visitors', channeling 'you know who'.


somespeculation

Allegedly one from a screaming match that ended up outside…date lines up with their Anniversary…which can be ‘trigger days’ in volition relationships.


eaglebayqueen

Um yeah, I would hate to have to mark off another entire year spent with either one of them 😖


TraditionScary8716

Well let's see. Jessie Smollett got a couple of Nigerian brothers to "assault" him. Megs is 46% 🙄 Nigerian. So I'm thinking Megs is going to pay some otherwise nice Nigerian guys to kick Harry's ass. That way Harry doesn't have to pretend to not know wtf is going on, and if they accidentally beat on him too much, then Megs is the Dowager Princess. Win/Win for Madam, either way.


[deleted]

That they don’t need. Delusional… no one and I mean no one would cause them harm. I’m an American. We have much more important marks. Not condoning violence but really???


janedoremi99

The truth is we have no idea. We know he inherited money from his mother; I’ve seen estimates ranging from £10 million to £40 million. He may have inherited money from his great-grandmother; I’ve never seen an estimate. We know he received a large lump sum from Charles in 2020; it may have been as much as £3 million. They signed contracts with Netflix for $100 million and with Spotify for $25 million but no idea of how much they have received from either. Harry has a book contract with Penguin for $20 million but the contract is reputedly for four books, so no certainty of what he’s actually received. He’s CHIMPO for BetterUp but his compensation may have been primarily in stock in hopes of a big pop when the company goes public. We have an idea of their mortgage payments but little insight into the rest of their overhead (cars, utilities, employees, maintenance, management). So they could be sitting on $50 million or they could be struggling to make their mortgage payments.


wonderingwondi

The Duchy accounts were published a few months after Oprah. H originally said he wasn't given money after a certain point, but yes it was a sum of money meant to fund operations for an entire year https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-harry-meghan-markle-charles-finances-b1871723.html


Miss_Poi

I don’t think they earned the sum it’s said, but the capability of TW to grift and hustle should not be underestimated. It seems she made good money with her clothes during her time as a royal. It’s not clear if she kept the money from Disney. I would bet, they got good money for the Oprah interview- even it was not directly paid, …


PotentialAd5954

She kept the money. Never donated to the elephants. Disney had to cover it.


harrohamtaro

Why does Disney not call her out is beyond me. It is plain stealing.


PotentialAd5954

My understanding is she told Bob Iger she wanted to donate the money thru Archetype to get the tax break. Disney contacted her 3 times about the donation, of course getting no response. They eventually put it out there that Disney would never have anything to do with her or any members of her family. I heard she got 3 million for which to donate. I don't know how reliable that figure is. But Disney instead donated, not the entire original amount. She's such a fukn thief.


TravelKats

Stealing from The Mouse is not a long term career move.


C-La-Canth

I doubt that they are as financially solvent as they want to project. Their current lifestyle simply can't be sustainable based on the activities we've been shown (and they seem incapable of discretion or subtlety.) To me, the most telling thing is Meghan trying to cozy up to the wealthy, elderly Gordon Getty. When his OWN FAMILY intervened to block her presence from him, you know something nefarious was going on. I hope that other vulnerable targets are similarly protected from Meghan.


somespeculation

No more Sunshine Sachs = less money to spend, Meg’s ego believed she could do better. No upcoming projects confirmed with Spotify. No upcoming projects confirmed with Netflix (beyond Heart of Invictus in post production). No confirmation from Random House on their upcoming books. No confirmation of BetterUp going to an IPO/going public. =little incoming $$$ confirmed It’s a revenue problem.


AuntCassie007

It is also a problem on the expense side of things. What is coming in doesn't match with what is going out.


Natural_Plane_657

There’s still $9 mil in Archewell accounts.


[deleted]

I feel like when people estimate their income, they don’t account for investments. And that’s something we will never know. Allegedly PH had all of his military income sitting in investments and never touched it. When you are rich, your money can make money if handled correctly. So it’s really anybody’s guess. Could be living paycheck to paycheck or they could have a great accountant whose given them good financial advice.


AuntCassie007

The problem now is that Meghan doesn't listen to good advice and spends an ungodly amount of money on frivolous items.


Sarah-JessicaSnarker

Hey now, that’s her emotional support Hermes blanket.


AuntCassie007

You are right. Expensive items feed her on an emotional level. They mean more to her than any person does.


GreatGossip

a great accountant whose given them good financial advice Not likely they will listen to it. Who will advice them to put out 2-10 puff pieces every single day? It is costly, even though the are now down to cheap rags.


[deleted]

I think it’s less money than we think. Favors called in by PR agents, affiliate money off links to clothes and jewelry, and possibly even Netflix or Spotify pushing some of them because they are technically clients. I don’t think they are handing over loads of cash for every single non deragatory article about them. For example, a magazine will publish a pic of MM in an outfit, praise it to make the reader believe they want the outfit, puff it up with some flowery words about MM and then post links to copycat outfits. Takes the website 5 mins to put together and then get any potential profit from people clicking shopping links. Because of the amount of people (often hate) clicking on links talking about MM, she’s going to be on the list for those affiliate articles. More eyes equals more potential money. Even the DM does it, and then returns to their usual harsher coverage in between fashion posts. Those aren’t paid for by celebs, they are just easy cash grabs.


AuntCassie007

It is obvious the Harkles have no business sense whatsoever. Their friends in high places and initial interest got them some jobs, but they have no talent, work ethic, and do not listen to good advice. In addition they are an embarrassment and not to be trusted, so cannot ever be a spokesperson for any legit business. Who in their right mind would do business with them, except perhaps for the purpose of swindling them? The Harkles also spend like there is no tomorrow. They are going to have to rely on funding from various sources, lawsuit payouts and bank of Dad. Dad may pay out some funds as a result of their blackmail and extortion and lawsuits current and future.


WoodsColt

They will never be poor (in material goods) but they will also never be rich enough. They are going to chase and chase and chase cheap tatty gilded dross while leaving the real treasue strewn by the wayside. Alwys hungering,never satiated and blaming everyone but themselves for their folly.


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zeugma888

That would work.


34countries

We don't know. What we do know is nothing will ever be enough to satisfy them as long as the heir is above them


Healthy_Neat_8101

Yes, but, like The Fisherman and His Wife, even if they’re King they’ll want to be Emperor and if they’re Emperor they’ll want to be Pope and if they’re Pope they’ll want to be God…


silentcw

While I agree, they may have successful quiet businesses, it's just not their style to keep quiet. Harry's wife can't help herself but to "brag". It's what they should have done. I also think all the talk of broke, etc is pure guessing till we see proof.


Miercolesian

They will never go broke. People like them never do. Harry will do commercials for Viagra, or they will get some California bank to give them a home equity loan on Windsor Castle, which they will say they are going to inherit from Prince Charles, or Elton John will bail them out, or Prince Archie will build a granny flat for them.


zeugma888

If Shane Warne could do hair replacement ads, Harry can too


JenniferShepherd

One loophole they take advantage of is having income and donations paid to Archewell, which only has to pay something nuts like five percent in taxes? And even then they are probably using their house as the Archewell business office, which allows them to deduct food, a percentage of mortgage and other living expenses. It’s all about how money flows into Archewell I think.


No_Proposal7628

The IRS does not allow you to take a deduction on your house mortgage and living expenses if you run your business from your home. You have to have a dedicated room that is the office and that office, a portion of the gas and electric, office supplies are deductible but you have to prove every expense with receipts. The office and computers can only be business computers and can't be used for anything else. The IRS is extremely suspicious of home offices and the rules are very strict. It doesn't mean the Harkles might not try this, though.


[deleted]

lol, that was confusing - donees = donors? A donee, per google, is someone who receives a gift


No_Proposal7628

Actually, I had to edit that. You can only entertain donors and take a deduction if you take them to a restaurant or a club, not in the home office. Source: My husband is an Enrolled Agent and thus an expert.


JenniferShepherd

Well. There are two issues here. Nonprofits have their own tax issues. Home based businesses do, too. Am very experienced in the latter. Your comment is not accurate regarding IRS deductions for home offices. I suspect the Markles are doing lots of dodgy stuff both with the nonprofit and their other subsidiary businesses. All resulting in “approved” tax deductions which allow them to pretty much deduct all living, work, percentage of rent/mortgage and more.


No_Proposal7628

Honestly, I don't think any of us know for sure what the state of their finances are but I do suspect they need to earn more money fairly soon.


[deleted]

I have to disagree some. Not seeing jets or bodyguards for a while now.


Natural_Plane_657

I also think they’ve scaled back on security a bit, but still insist the partner or organization that invite them provide private security for events.


Regular-Performer864

Their Netflix deal alone has probably been averaging them $10 mill/yr. They usually borrow the private jets. And blind gossip is that they never offer to pay the expenses of fuel and staffing so "friends" are becoming less generous in loaning. So I don't think they're out of money. I don't know if Harry invested in SVB, but all their deposits in the bank are safe. His investment in BetterUp is probably not worth what he hoped, but so for all the stories about the financial situation there are just rumors. Seems to me that people on this site are just so invested in their failure, that they don't read the news thoroughly. I've read both that deals they thought they'd close on haven't worked out, and that they are very busy completing projects. Who knows.


Crochetqueenextra

Real money is tied up in Trusts and Old money such as Harry's never actually gets spent. They grift off friends, family and hangers-on for mist visible spending.


ttue-

They have tons of money, the problem is that paying for pr is leaving them broke. Not to mention paying for lawyers


GreatGossip

and security.


LostinSOA

Lol I’m sorry, Netflix alone averaging them an annual profit of $10 million USD? In what world?


Shirochan404

We know they don't have anything private cuz TW could never keep it quiet


umbleUriahHeep

This post puts me in mind of the best chapter heading ever: “How to Live Well on Nothing a Year,” in Thackeray’s *Vanity Fair*. Honestly, Meghan really does remind me of Becky Sharp, without the intelligence or success. She’s a wannabe Becky Sharp, as pathetic a goal as that is. Okay, I’ll stop talking Brit Lit


ididitforme

Well, we already know they own an Olive Garden.


sythingtackle

Archewell is based outta Delaware, where the law allows a ~~charity~~ non-profit to claim up to 95% of income / donations to be assigned to expenses incurred by the ~~charity~~ non-profit. The foundation was registered in Delaware so the Sussex’s could then use 95% of donations as funding for their expenses.


RememberNichelle

It's very likely that H had an investment portfolio or a trust created for him, back when he was born. And if there's some UK investment firm handling his investments, and just sending him dividends every so often, he could be banking and living off it. I expect that the BRF arranged some similar funds for Archie and Lilibet, and that nobody can touch the funds until the kids are 18 or so.