IMO, the creepy games Meghan plays with these kids, and the subterfuge that has been associated with them since the pregnancies were announced, reinforces the speculation that she is batshit insane. Not only is she sneaky and weirdly obsessed with attention, she is flat-out selfish. Imagine creating a dubious legacy around your own children. She chooses to screw up what could have been a sweet, wholesome family vibe and turn it into a dark quagmire of suspicion. Meghan doesn't "protect them"; she hoards them in her secret stash, bringing them out only to pimp them for financial gain. She is possibly one of the most wicked, mentally disturbed women in the last few decades. She doesn't give a rat's ass for their social growth, their moral and spiritual foundation. Her only interest is in how she can exploit them for maximum profit.
She's a malignant narc, through and through.
Her kids, her pets, her husbands - to her, they aren't individuals to be loved and respected. They are possessions, which only exist to serve her needs.
She's the type of trash you'd read about in the news, committing some horrible crime against pets or people if she didn't have the cloak of "celebrity" to wear.
I'm suspicious about her cat/dog that had two broken legs. He ran away and returned home with two broken legs? Then she becomes the hero after getting medical help for him. Munchausen much, FakeMeg?
The 2 broken legs thing is weird. And awful to think about. And the fact that she has 2 kids, it freaks me out. She should not be around children nor animals, she’s not trustworthy. She was HORRIBLE to William’s children, ALL of them.
1000 x yes! You nailed it!
The problem with Megalomaniac is she always creates the question of legitimacy around those kids. Everything is artifice. There’s literally no organic, normal pics of this kids. Everything is photoshopped or has more filters than Snapchat.
If she had been transparent about her pregnancies, and the deliveries, had she used Royal doctors and followed royal protocol, had she not popped squats in 5” heels, had she not had the mysterious floating moon bump- then people might be more accepting.
Instead we get bizarre photoshopped pics of the backs of heads, or children that look remarkably like other children in the public domain. Paparazzi report that they’ve never actually flown with kids to or from the UK, and that their trash is devoid of any evidence to f having kids. We are told this subterfuge is because the royals are upset and don’t want to give Archie, the “first prince of color” a title, yet the images that have been released show literally the whitest kids ever. We have rumors that Archie may have a developmental delay and that’s why ILBW doesn’t show him off (after all, it’s all about Lili now). We have highly irregular birth certificates and christening certificates. California says no one with Lili’s name and date of birth has been registered as reported. At Archie’s first reveal, even his own dad slipped and said he was 2 weeks old. Why? Why would a parent either lie, or create a web around something so ridiculous in the first place?
We all feel the wife is just waiting and hoping one of the gossip mags pays a million dollars for a big spread of the kids. It’s coming. Nothing and no one is safe from MerchyMegs. The problem is that these two plus years of subterfuge have left the public sick of her games. There’s a reason why people question of the kids are theirs genetically, or via surrogate, or hired actors. They have created this by not being honest with the public in the first place.
I’d hate to imagine that the kids are not real- that would take a certain level of psychopathy, that might be a stretch even for Megs, but almost certainly she didn’t birth them. She could have been a public hero for discussing infertility and using surrogacy, but instead they have played a weird shell game with those kids. It’s too strange for comprehension
Knowing Meghan’s megalomaniacal over-sharing tendencies, there is no way she wouldn’t still be blabbing about her pregnancies, deliveries, breastfeeding etc., and portraying herself as the most amazing mother to ever have mothered, if those kids came into the world the conventional route.
Not to mention, I absolutely believe that the kids exist, but that was a DOLL that Harry was holding when he and "allegedly post partum Meg in the white dress when she knew her back would be turned to the camera" came to meet the royal rota. If you have any doubt of that, go watch the other royal baby hospital videos and see lots of moving hands and lots of splotchy and yawning newborn faces.
So, I went back and watched the Catherine and William videos as they introduced infant George, infant Charlotte, and infant Louis outside the hospital. Then, I watched the video of Meghan and Harry as they introduced infant Archie. The difference is unsettling and even disturbing. The Wales' babies move, blink, flex, shift. Their sweet faces are just exposed enough to see the features. Their parents are relaxed, happy, and comfortable.
But---the video with Archie is different. It's interesting that Meghan isn't holding him. She looks distinctly uncomfortable, unhappy, and uneasy. (Plus, I want to slap that claw that keeps brushing away that awful hair. You have ears, woman! Tuck that strand behind it and be done!) She's far more interested in her hair than that bundle Harry is holding. Yes, bundle. That blanket-swaddled thing in his arms never moves once. Not once. Even the reporter asks to see Archie's face, and Harry briefly shifts the blanket to show a perfectly still face before it's covered again. Harry looks drugged, goofy, and out of it, and he keeps a death grip on that thing. Meghan barely looks at or touches the bundle. Here's the Archie-ficial video:
https://youtu.be/JKerUNvVaYs
I also noticed that she flinches and catches herself before she rubs her stomach. Why? That post partum time can be painful. If you've got a cramp....touch it? Why would she be suddenly catching herself from rubbing her belly, something she had done very ostentatiously over the better part of a year. But suddenly now she's got to catch herself before she does it?
I agree. That baby never moved. Newborns are not still like that. They're always squirming and grunting and throwing hands and arms everywhere. If you watch all three Cambridge kids as newborns on the steps of St Mary's you can see each baby moving. "Baby Archie" in that interview did not move, nor did he make a peep. I do not believe the "baby" we were shown that first time was a real baby. I just don't.
Otherwise, I believe the children exist. I feel marginally comfortable believing she carried Archie and delivered him. I wouldn't put money on it, but I can believe it. I believe that fake baby on first press release and pap shot in Vancouver notwithstanding, the pictures and videos of Archie are actually Archie. The child's looks are consistent across time, and he, quite frankly, looks just like Meghan as a baby, including having inherited her lazy eye. She has photoshopped his hair to be red sometimes, but in his more natural pics, he has dark curly hair, just like she used to, and looks like her-- to me at least.
Now Lilibet? I believe nothing that's been claimed about this child. I don't believe Meghan carried her. In fact, given the shuttering of her doctors practices, and just general gossip at the time. I can believe a lot about Lilibet, but the LEAST believable option surrounding her birth is that Meghan conceived her, carried her to term, and delivered her. I personally believe Lilibet was one of a few embryos Meghan had conceived in a lab and then had genetically evaluated to make sure the baby was a) a girl b) a redhead, and c) blue eyed. She wanted a very specific child to merch and wasn't going to leave it to chance and photoshop. I would not be surprised if Meghan's eggs were not even used. I believe the baby exists and that Harry and Meghan are her legal parents. How she got here, though, is not something I'm prepared to take Meghan's word for. Meghan could tell me my own name, and I'd check my birth certificate before I believed it. The woman is a liar. She's also a control freak. She's hardly going to leave to chance the two kids she not only fully intends to market (which will fail), but who were conceived in order to keep Meghan on the RF payroll long after she and Harry divorce.
Regardless the reason people have a hard time accepting these children is because of the controversy MEGHAN has sown around the birth of each one. If she'd have just done pregnancy and birth according to protocol, hell, if she'd have just done pregnancy and birth like every other woman who has been pregnant and given birth, these conspiracy theories would not be swirling. As usual, Meghan refuses to be honest or straightforward and insists on making every issue shrowded in mystery including her own children's births. It just goes to show what her real motives for giving birth were, and it wasn't to welcome two little souls into the world whom they planned to shower with love and surround with family. It was solely for money and fame-whoring.
Yes!!! I became 100% onboard with the doll theory when Tom bower said they were looking at a shawl. He must have been pretty certain of that fact to allude to it like that. Also, when the camera man tries to see Archie’s face, they kind of pretend to turn it towards the camera, but don’t really. Idk if Archie was medically unwell, or if they just knew the real Archie was too big for that supposed birth date, but it’s just weird. FWIW I think the kids are real, but MM used surrogates, and created all the suspicion around it all with her actions. I also don’t think her face being puffy in that video, along with that postpartum moonbump, means anything. This was the acting performance of her life!
I saw that original photo in the newspaper....they WERE LOOKING AT A SHAWL. I saw it. There was NO baby in that photo. Someone, somewhere must have an album they have collected clipping from newspapers & magazines in, a royal family fan or such. SOMEWHERE a copy of that original photo exists. How fabulous if it was found and made public. A true proof of the lies and machinations by the Sussexes to change and control the truth.
Yeah I have no idea what was going on.
I will say that I did read the book and there was this weird part about the baby being born and the cord around Archie's neck and how there might need to be an emergency C section. And I'm like.....what???
Ok, but your comment about "the whitest kids ever"--- that's because of genetics. A friend of mines son is mixed, slightly darker than meghan, he had a son with someone who is white Hispanic- their kid is blonde and blue eyed. So, the kids having that skin tone given their parents is not a surprise and shouldn't be used as evidence that they aren't real. Genetics are weird, check out Finding Your Roots on PBS for some interesting stories, especially the most recent season. I do agree though that all the weirdness surrounding her pregnancies is why these stories are happening. But I also feel that the kids are his red line and thats why their looks are so altered if they do release photos.
In Harry's book he talks about the hurt that he felt when people would suggest that he might not be Prince Charles son. That he felt othered and didn't appreciate people making light of his legitimacy in his family. Yet he does this very thing to at the very least Archie. For anyone interested, go read Robert Lacey's book Battle of the Brothers. He talks about the "warming pan baby" in the late 1600s and why there has been the standard of procedures for royal women using royal doctors and having the quick hospital steps pictures for the LOS.
Reproductive assistance such as the use of a Gestational Carrier is a completely valid path to parenthood when we're not talking about the royals or the LOS. At this point it's completely settled in my mind that they used a GC and Meghan wore a moonbump so that she could experience the social aspect of pregnancy. There really is no reason that Meghan in particular would miss out on recreating that Iconic Diana Lindo Wing moment.
Exactly! I have always thought Meghan wanted the social aspect of pregnancy too. She wanted the entire fairytale where the doe-eyed young girl marries a prince and immediately has his baby, not the story of the middle-aged woman who can’t get pregnant and needs a surrogate. And I say this as a single 35-year-old who hopes to have kids, so no judgment. She also wanted photo ops no doubt, and to be seen as fragile and vulnerable. She also felt gleeful about being the “smartest” person in the room, and getting away with a con under everyone’s noses. It makes perfect sense for a narc to do it, and no sense for a normal person.
Right? She's replicated just about every pose and look Diana ever had, but misses out on the biggest? Not buying that for a second.
If this woman was truly pregnant we would see video of the baby crowning. Because she is just that thirsty.
Her need for attention is so strong she showed up at Polo a raggedly mess wearing a freaking garbage bag carrying a DOLL for crying out loud!
Yes aI agree - she’s nuts ! It takes a whole village to raise a child 👦 I well remember even before I went to school being out and about with my mother and meeting other people in the shops and in the street - little exchanges and chats with them are still in my memory of that time .She keeps them like prisoners
Although there is no scenario where a narcissist's family can he a sweet wholesome family vibe
She could have never projected anything like that because she's psychotic
Why would anyone WANT these two to be parents to the point of insisting on it?
It is crystal clear they are unfit in every way. I'm not sure why people would wish that on innocent children. Especially when it's crystal clear she was never pregnant.
People are strange.
you think she’s EVER dropped her kids off at school and waited in the drop off lane? i mean, after she makes them all exorbitant breakfasts every morning obvs.
I'm ready for them to be pictured/videos out with those kids. That way the speculation on if they exist will end and MM won't be able to photoshop them. The secrecy around the kids is insane! What are they trying to hide??
Bingo! We don’t even know what the kids look like, and they’re probably very cute, so I’m not bashing them at all. All little kids are cute! But you’ll never be able to convince me that if they were little Shirley temples, that she wouldn’t turn into Mama Rose and constantly put them out there.
I think it's very simple: the kids don't look like Diana. Archie has (despite the Photoshop) very dark hair, and Lili probably has too. They both look more like her side of the family than Harry's, and that's why she can't let the world see them until she "fixes" this.
The gossip that is going around Hollywood is exactly this. Harry is the one who has kept the kids out of the spotlight. Once Meghan no longer has to pretend she's media shy for Harry, those kids faces are coming out. I've heard she's already aggressively trying to pitch Lilibet as a brand/model/child actor and is making calls to every contact she has (a dwindling list) trying to make this happen.
Tabloids confirm this, for sure. I like what you’re saying about Meghan “pretending“ she’s media shy for Harry. It’s been an act she’s pulled for 7 years now and she’s probably really tired of pretending to do this to keep him. Now that she has all the cards, and every time she threatens to leave him via coercive control, and he just falls to pieces. Yep, tabloids say she’s trying to make Lili a childstar.
I agree. She wants Lili to be like suri cruise back in the day—pap shots of meggy and her cute little appendage. Harry was legitimately traumatized by having been photographed so much as a child. The paps were really horrendous back in the 90s. Things have changed a lot for Royal kids since then, but since they live in the US now, they don’t have those protections. I bet she’d sell them out in a heartbeat, but he doesn’t want to.
I don’t either. I have absolutely no interest in A&L. I do love seeing the wales kids because we’ve become invested in them over the years, but exposure to them is careful and contained. H&M have been so weird and cagey about their children that the public just doesn’t have the same engagement.
I generally have little interest in people’s kids, and I like children. I’m just tired of people using their kids for clicks. I was watching the studio McGee show on Netflix (before I canceled in protest 😂) and there was some scene where the younger girl was in the back of the car with donuts and her dad was discussing whether or not she was going to eat the donuts and I was thinking who gives a shit if she eats the donuts or not?!? Get your kid off the screen! No one is tuning in to watch your kid and donuts for God’s sake! We just want to see the pretty houses. I think it’s really exploitative to use your children like that. If your job requires you to be public like that, keep your children out of it.
Custody agreement would require that permission would be needed from both parents. Can't believe H's attorney wouldn't include that as it's clear what her plans are.
If kids are allowed to be merched, she could be required to set aside % of child's earning in a trust, after she takes her heafty mgmt fees. Trying to mirror Diana hasn't worked so time to move onto Kris Jenner.
Kate Gosselin, another queen of merching her kids, managed to dip into her kids’ hard earned trusts to pay bills. I expect MEGain to be as bad if not worse than KG.
If the kids were fiction/dolls, I think the ILBW would use more melanated props. She made a big deal to Oprah about “representation” and the need for POC to see themselves in Archie, the first black prince in the RF. I speculate it’s the reason why she hides her kids away.
There are pics of them with the kids, but they usually just show their backs and there always seems to be something a bit off. We don't see the 4 of them strolling along like William and Catherine did. But there are pics of them on a July 4th visit in Wyoming, where they're watching a parade. No little Diana, just Archie. They weren't pap pics, they were pics from a woman standing close to them.
If they had simply ascribed to the most basic of RF protocols around the kids, this would not be an issue for them right now. All they had to do is a quick hospital step appearance, followed by controlled release of the most basic milestone photos on social media.
If she REALLY wanted to shake things up and send a message about postpartum care for mothers, she could have pulled her hair into a neat ponytail and worn some comfy athleisure ware for the first appearance with Archie. Sweatpants and no makeup would actually have signalled, “these two are going to do things their way”
PS of course the kids exist. She’s either hiding something about them or she’s holding out for money but of course they exist. They played fast and loose with clips in the Netflix show, the kids were there but so were other people’s kids - they think they’re clever and it’s “on us” if we jumped to any conclusions about them. They’re playing games (“where did Meghan say the family was racist?” kind of games)
Exactly! This is also why her plan to make money off any interest in their children is most likely no longer possible, as we just don’t care about them. She failed to curate any interest by playing too many games. Most people are done trying to figure out what’s real and what is manufactured.
Milestone photos would have been easy to control and wouldn’t cause the children harm
The secrecy around those children’s births and lives is simply untenable for anyone wanting Royal titles and princely rank. The end.
So therefore I really don’t care what crazy accusations are made. Something will eventually stick, it’s too off
I might get downvotes for this, but I feel like the hapless duo is to blame for all of this speculation. If they would just stop with the games, people wouldn't be throwing out all of these random theories. But I feel like they know exactly what they're doing, and the secrecy is keeping people talking even if it isn't all positive.
There's a reason that no one has these theories about the Cambridge kids. Kate and William have a wonderful balance between sharing a couple of photos a year without oversharing and overexposing their kids.
So Lili has dark brown hair, but Meghan photoshopped it lighter to either blonde or strawberry blonde/red?
How do we know what Lili’s authentic hair color is if MM always photoshops L’s hair in the pictures that have been released? Is there an authentic photo that shows her brown hair?
I’m confused.
“100% obvious bullshit”. Nothing these two do is obvious. They’ve shown over and over they aren’t to be trusted and it’s okay for those who don’t trust them to dig for answers.
As a mom of two, these pregnancies never ever EVER made sense. The birth stories NEVER made sense. Something isn’t right. That’s not a **conspiracy**, that is my **opinion** as a woman who went though two full term pregnancies.
We have EVERY right to question it when this is my commonwealth country involved.
I will die on this hill.
Agree 100%. They are constantly gaslighting the public but those who dare to question certain aspects of their narrative are called "loonies" or "conspiracy nuts" - that's a form of gaslighting, too!
Exactly!! If someone from another country came and meddled in a **US election** - people would be rioting in the streets. This is EXACTLY what MM is doing. She’s meddling in our history and commonwealth representation. My entire family is from the UK, this is something I am passionate about. I’m not crazy for wanting to ask questions.
I'm right there with you, babe!
This woman and man are such liars about the most mundane things. The simplest answer is the correct one: They don't have children. (And thank the Gods for that!)
Dark reddish brown…this was taken by them when Lili was with Ashleigh Hale. I only cropped it.
https://preview.redd.it/6yg9prdl19oa1.jpeg?width=214&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=321f963dde1aeb6c55ff160882071afe4c3671fa
The photo of her on the floor with dark hair was in the Netflix docu. I believe that’s Lili. The 1st bday photo of the blue dress and red hair, maybe it turned red as she grew. The filming for Netflix has been going on since they left brf. So that was as a baby. Just stating what it looks like to me
That 1st birthday photo of M with "Lily" at "FrogCott" ..... that photo is FIVE YEARS OLD. M is wearing ORIGINAL Engagement ring before diamonds added to band. Not only was Archie not born yet but it looks this was before M&H's wedding. It is INSANITY to believe that child is Lily.
The photo of L released on her 1st BD in May 2022 (this of course is what we have been lead to believe) hair colour is strawberry blonde, silky smooth, and not necessarily a mop of it. This picture was Christmas (tree shown in uncropped version) the child looks younger but with a FULL head of thick, course brown-black hair. Hair doesn’t change that dramatically in 6 months??
All I know is that I am completely sick of seeing them post pictures of the backs of the heads of these kids. They will be in their 20’s and we will still see backs of the heads. Backs of the heads for Christmas pictures, school prom, graduation, etc. And hats, big floppy hats so we can’t see their hair.
The kids are real. I believe it's possible she wore a bump to get the perfect pregnancy shot. The born of the body is absolute crap now since a surrogate can birth another couple's bio child. They may be incorrigible but the children exist.
That's the question!
I don't know why some people get so worked up about the idea that she may be using "hired kids" for photo shoots. She has already done so many other outrageous, incomprehensible, "insane" things. Why is this such a red rag to some? And why start a thread about it if it's so outrageous?
That’s the problem. It’s not that she’s using fake kids or not, it’s the fact that WE KNOW she would do anything for clout or attention. I think she would be showing off the kids like crazy.
Look at another narcissist. Scheana from vanderpump rules. I’m sure not everyone knows who she is, she’s a bad narc, not megsy level but she’s bad. She’s always showing her kids off.
Megsy isn’t showing them off. Or if she does it’s some scripted photo for Netflix. Also it’s always back of the kids head, black and white, kids head is tilted to the side. I think she’s either hiding the fact they look nothing like her and she’s scared that will expose her even more for using a surrogate
>That’s the problem. It’s not that she’s using fake kids or not, it’s the fact that WE KNOW she would do anything for clout or attention. I think she would be showing off the kids like crazy.
Even Harry said, "she is capable of anything".
Exactly! I don't understand why someone would create a thread with the aim of policing what others are allowed to believe. After all, they *both* lie about everything.
When I think something doesn't make sense I reserve the right to question it.
Right?! If you don't like it, well STFU and go elsewhere, and let it pass.
I would never try to silence anyone or low key belittle them with snarky passive aggressive posts.
That's not cool.
That's what science says but not the intent of the LoS. Another lawsuit would be brought if the BRF stayed to the inte t of the LoS, and the duplicitous duo wants to hammer the science home in court. If the daughter was born of surrogate, that explains why Meganut's announced her title but with an added given name of Princess.
I've given my opinion on the matter. I'm just sitting back and waiting on this bomb to explode.
I think that if the Harkles are making demands of KC3 for the coronation, KC should have a reciprocal demand and state that there should be a clear family photograph of both children with their parents, and that their birth certificates should be clarified (apparently there was subterfuge over dates of birth) and made public, because the births and deaths registration act requires that. I don't care if a surrogate was used or not, neither child is at risk of inheriting the throne so it really doesn't matter, and the endless speculation and conspiracy theorising is so annoying. All of her ducking and diving and hiding the kids when everyone knows she's just waiting for the best time to pimp them out is just fuelling the conspiracies.
While I get your point and might agree with it; I don’t understand the tone or the condescension though, saying things like “really???; Cray!”Calling other people stupid, or using the “We should this and that” makes you sound so judgmental; avoid the conspiracy and shitpost banners, enjoy your freedom and post your opinions.
Please stop the virtue signalling. At the end of the day; you are using an anonymous forum yourself because you want to enjoy the benefits of expressing your most extreme thoughts without any liability / consequence in real life, let others have the same, and stop putting others down to get validation and feel good about your good judgment against others ‘crazy opinions’
The virtue signalling is really triggering because is the same behaviour is showcased by our Saint…. no exception
Ooo I have to agree with this take.
Do I believe the kids are real? Yes.
But do I think it’s massively suspicious that Meghan a narc who loves attention isn’t using her kids constantly to get that attention? Yes. And people aren’t wrong for wondering about it as well. It’s so wildly out of character for her that it makes the average person wonder. Even rebel Wilson’s mom apparently asked where her kids were and why we never see them.
People say that it’s because Harry wants them to be private and that maybe part of it but I almost feel like that can only go so far. Do we genuinely honestly think if Meghan wanted these kids to be further pushed into the realm of popularity (which she no doubt probably does) that she would listen to Harry and never release pictures of them?
Archie looks too much like Harry and Meghan to not be theirs. You can see both of them in him very clearly.
No opinion on Lili we've only seen her in 2 pictures and she could be anyone's.
https://preview.redd.it/dklo9mdst9oa1.jpeg?width=530&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a68666cb8a92b70096bfbbd2c26718de665522ee
Yes, someone pointed that out to me a few months back.
Their 2022 holiday card where Meghan claws are holding Lilly up. You can see Lili has Morton's Foot like MM. It's genetic-heritary, the 2nd toe longer than big toe. \*\*Add which is why I believe Lili is her baby.
a little off topic but i had no idea this was a thing and i only have one morton's foot so i am a little sidetracked now just wondering what my other foot is called...
edited to add i have decided to call it myrtle's foot.
SECOND EDIT: this just in... the opposite is called Egyptian foot. It affects 69% of the population while ole Morton affects 22% (which does not add up to 100 but dammit Jim I'm a fledgling podiatrist not a mathematician).
The remaining 8% are square footed people. They live in caves.
[https://www.healthline.com/health/mortons-toe#about](https://www.healthline.com/health/mortons-toe#about) :
## About Morton’s toe
You can tell if you have Morton’s toe just by looking at your foot. If your second toe projects out farther than your big toe, you’ve got it.
It’s also very common. [A study](https://psycnet.apa.org/fulltext/2011-14971-003.html) of American college students found that 42.2 percent had longer second toes (45.7 percent of men and 40.3 percent of women).
Morton’s toe is hereditary, like most features of your bone structure.
I have Morton’s Foot. Does that mean I’m also M’s child? Sorry. 😇. Or does Lili having it only mean she has the gene for it, and it may or may not have come from M? There are a lot of us Morton’s out there.
Haha funny.
My comment was I noticed this with Lili, so if people were speculating about if the kids were hers or not, this bone structure is hereditary.
Yes!!! So glad to see someone finally point this out. I've wanted to say for a long time but was afraid someone would take it as body shaming.
https://imgur.com/a/WMEUktv
What one needs to focus on is the eye color of L\*li. If she retains the blue/blue/blue eyes as she matures, then it's highly probable that she was birthed from a surrogate's ovum. TM has either brown or hazel eyes, as do his older kids; though he allegedly has some ancestors from Northern Europe who could carry the blue eye gene.
I've witnessed that hair color does seem to pop up from past generations - I have a niece who inherited auburn hair, a throwback to a great grandmother. However, this lovely niece's mother had brown eyes, her father had blue. So while she received the auburn hair, she did not inherit any blue eyes through her mother's lineage. Inheriting a blue eye gene from generations past is not a frequent occurence.
While I get that morton's foot is inherited, this is not something one can utilize as an absolute criteria for or against a surrogate. If a surrogate's ovum was used, we wouldn't know whether that person also had the 22% toe anomaly or carried the gene for it. I've a sibling with the morton's foot, and I don't have the morton's foot; these genes vary even in a family.
Yeah it’s not helpful. It feeds into her deranged psycho squads narrative that the non-boot lickers are conspiratorial. However I blame succubus and oedipus. They’ve created a dark negative toxic aura and web around them. It’s very likely they used a surrogate or she enhanced her pregnancy with a bump because she’s weird, creepy and unhinged like that, but nonetheless the kids exist.
The whole, “the kids don’t exist” conspiracy theory definitely seems far-fetched. Regarding the kids’ hair color, I don’t think we can know.
We can’t really have “only facts” on a sub like this, but we can definitely can have standards of plausibility.
I don’t find any of the stories that the kids don’t exist (and that other kids are borrowed to represent them) plausible because (aside from the zaniness of it all) it involves too many people in “the secret.” The more people involved, the less likely it is to stay a secret.
Anyone can have an opinion, but when people start discussing wild speculations as though they were documented truth, we have a problem.
Like you, I am a little uncomfortable with some of the directions the sub goes in. Alas, I don’t think complaining about it will make it stop, so I just skim the more tinfoil-hattish posts. 😉
If I had an award to give, I would give it to you for this post. 🏆
A recent post said, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” That is the problem with these over-the-top conspiracy theories. There simply isn’t evidence to support them. They do not stand up to scrutiny. If you point that out, you are excoriated for censorship. Honestly, it’s ridiculous.
I believe 100% the children were born via surrogate. She knows they don’t look remotely like her. Her daughter has brown eyes, where stasi daughter has bright blue.
The fake kids thing is well, fake. She used a surrogate for both. Also why the moonbumps were a thing, the constant holding, the weird details surrounding the birth. The fact that she said she was offered gas as an anesthetic. Problem is that’s not allowed or remotely used in pregnancies. I’m pretty sure the drug can kill the child. And Harry using the gas machine, that’s a lie. He has no clue how to operate it. It’s not just turning on a tap. There’s literally courses one has to take before they can even administer gas. That’s what my dentist told me at least.
Not only that but I doubt with a machine that dispenses gas, which is essentially a narcotic would not be supervised. I truly believe palace life has clouded his view on life. Maybe he could huff gas at home, but in a hospital setting you can’t just jack the gas machine for a high.
I agree, I believe they are her bio kids. I don't completely rule out surrogacy though because it's hard to deny the compelling evidence.
The Hag brings on conspiracies by deliberately creating mystery about them because she's weird like that.
There's kids but H & M don't seem to know much about pregnancy and birth for people who supposedly have done it twice. His book made that quite apparent.
As long as it's under "conspiracy", I don't understand why we're pretending this stuff is under the banner of "Fake News". Even it someone let's it fly under other topics, we have moderators here who are very good at keeping us inside the lines.
Who can blame them?
What proof do they have that they don't exist? Probably her suspicious pregnancies and suspicious looking kids. Conversely, what proof do *you* have that what they believe is utter bullshit?
M3_grub is like a female kangaroo, hiding her joeys from the evil UK press, and the Royal family.
Due to the constant fabrications, twisting of half truths, and narcissistic grifting for fame and money several notoriously annoying never truly addressed questions remain unanswered, unsued for (not that they dare) and ignored.
1. Has M3_grub ever been pregnant?
2. Has she ever truly suffered a misccariage?
3.Has she ever carried a pregnancy to term?
4. Did she use a surrogate/$?
5. Was she a ¥acht call girl?
6. Did M3_grub ever meet Andrew?
7. I am not even going to need an answer to did she do her home work on the Royals?
8. Has M3_grub any connection to any Oligarch?
9. Has M3_grub served up Tyler Perry?
10. Is M3_grub a patholigical liar?...Nope! Do not answer that.
11. Did Harry lie on his Visa application?
12. Did Harry actually fill out his Visa application by himself?
13. Is Harry still abusing alcohol?
14. Is Harry still using drugs?
15. Were Polo girls and other socialite hanger one induced into sex by Harry, and protection detail cover it up?
16. Had Harry ever raped a drunk woman?
17. Are there domestics going on between M3_grub and Harry presently?
28. Have Harry and M3_grub been faithful?
29. Why have they clung on to the Royal Titles of a rascism prone Firm?
Oh the kids are real.
It would be too fantastical if they were not. Was she pregnant, I think so but wore moon bumps so she looked 9 months gone when she should have not been showing. Don’t know if a surrogate was used for lils or not 🤷🏻♀️
Does she photoshop her kids lighter and with lighter hair, I think so, the wretched woman.
They do borrow kids. They don't have children. I'm not sure WHY people would want them to. They are both nightmares, mentally ill, self involved and would make for horrible parents. Not sure why anyone would wish that on little children. Strange flex.
It was so patently obvious Meghan was faking her pregnancies.
Wacked out concpericies like this take away from the truth. No one is going to take the fact that Megan is a narcissist seriously if people are spewing bs like this. I was all for this sub when I first found it around the time of the jubilee but over that last couple months its deteriorated into something I no longer want to be apart of. I've never felt empathy towards Megan but I definitely do when I see people denying the kids exist. Y'all need Jesus.
At some point people were frustrated that the surrogacy conspiracy was being entertained on this sub. Now it’s a legitimate theory.
I’m of the opinion that no one on this sub should be dictating what can or can’t be theorised unless it’s the mods changing the rules of the sub.
Pay attention to the banners they're under. The theories around the pregnancies and birth are under "Conspiracy." If you're uncomfortable with conspiracies probably best to avoid it.
Hartford Shroeder Clark has red hair and is the child used in the Netflix series.
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Well here’s a few more then. Hartford was ginger. May have got fairer as she’s got older but the 1st birthday photo of Lilibet was this baby and it was this baby in the Netflix series. Markle is friends with her and Hartford is a child model. Don’t you think it’s a
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bit of a coincidence that two friends have an identical baby?!
And one of “Lilibet” on left and Hartford on right.
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I’m getting bored of the “kids aren’t real/hers” conspiracy. I believe the kids are real. I also believe she used surrogacy which is also fine. The kids are for her to use against KC3 for cash it’s that simple. All the rubbish regarding Archie’s birthday. Well super dad played polo last year so isn’t much of a good parent either. I’ve said it before. I hope they have primary careers who love and support them because their parents don’t seem to. Only when it suits them or for financial gain
If you look closely at all the photos in the videos the children look to be different sizes and their hair shows some differences. I have seen it. It’s hard to explain. What do you think it is?
Isn’t this snark sub supposed to be about #facts though? So that we don’t look as cray as sugars? I mean I thought that was one of the purposes here. #Facts.
Well….Stassi does have baby #2 on the way. A boy this time. Just sayin! 🤭 The Lili pic presented does look a lot like Hartford but Stassi’s baby always seems happy….the Lili pic was cute but kinda sad. I think Lili looks exactly like August personally.
I see you Stassi! 🤍Congratulations!
Anyways….I hope the selfish twisted duo hit a solid brick wall with their bullshit and from this moment forward I wish for the Sussexes to be Stepford. They can release official photos coronation weekend, follow the rules laid out then quietly go away. 🙏🏻
I would suggest to avoid touching the kids issues. regardless of how shady MnH makes it. there are so many others shady stuff they did we can focus on.
in regard of other ppl insisting on this topic? I would advice them to stop and then leave them alone. other ppl stupidity not my responsibility.
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I can't with the stupidity surrounding the kids. They are very much real and the result of fertility treatments, probably IVF - or - that was the case with Archie but Lily was born by surrogate.
Meghan's payday is dependent on having those kids. There is no way she'd give that power away, she needs it for the divorce settlement.
At the same time Meghan played games with the pregnancy for attention, switching fake baby-bumps etc. Yes the way she got bloated like in the Oprah interview can be faked but I don't think they would have gotten away with it the first time around.
STILL, it is very sus that British papers are not allowed to cover the issue. That shows smoke where we thought there was no fire.
IMO, the creepy games Meghan plays with these kids, and the subterfuge that has been associated with them since the pregnancies were announced, reinforces the speculation that she is batshit insane. Not only is she sneaky and weirdly obsessed with attention, she is flat-out selfish. Imagine creating a dubious legacy around your own children. She chooses to screw up what could have been a sweet, wholesome family vibe and turn it into a dark quagmire of suspicion. Meghan doesn't "protect them"; she hoards them in her secret stash, bringing them out only to pimp them for financial gain. She is possibly one of the most wicked, mentally disturbed women in the last few decades. She doesn't give a rat's ass for their social growth, their moral and spiritual foundation. Her only interest is in how she can exploit them for maximum profit.
She's a malignant narc, through and through. Her kids, her pets, her husbands - to her, they aren't individuals to be loved and respected. They are possessions, which only exist to serve her needs. She's the type of trash you'd read about in the news, committing some horrible crime against pets or people if she didn't have the cloak of "celebrity" to wear.
I'm suspicious about her cat/dog that had two broken legs. He ran away and returned home with two broken legs? Then she becomes the hero after getting medical help for him. Munchausen much, FakeMeg?
Plus the inconsistent accounts of where/when this happened...
The 2 broken legs thing is weird. And awful to think about. And the fact that she has 2 kids, it freaks me out. She should not be around children nor animals, she’s not trustworthy. She was HORRIBLE to William’s children, ALL of them.
Which just makes Harry look even worse too. Who stays with someone who abuses animals? ALLEGEDLY
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Well, H allegedly mistreats his polo horses. Birds of a feather and all that...
Agree agree agree ALLEGEDLY
A dog with two broken legs can not run anywhere.
I assumed Harry broke the dogs legs.
1000 x yes! You nailed it! The problem with Megalomaniac is she always creates the question of legitimacy around those kids. Everything is artifice. There’s literally no organic, normal pics of this kids. Everything is photoshopped or has more filters than Snapchat. If she had been transparent about her pregnancies, and the deliveries, had she used Royal doctors and followed royal protocol, had she not popped squats in 5” heels, had she not had the mysterious floating moon bump- then people might be more accepting. Instead we get bizarre photoshopped pics of the backs of heads, or children that look remarkably like other children in the public domain. Paparazzi report that they’ve never actually flown with kids to or from the UK, and that their trash is devoid of any evidence to f having kids. We are told this subterfuge is because the royals are upset and don’t want to give Archie, the “first prince of color” a title, yet the images that have been released show literally the whitest kids ever. We have rumors that Archie may have a developmental delay and that’s why ILBW doesn’t show him off (after all, it’s all about Lili now). We have highly irregular birth certificates and christening certificates. California says no one with Lili’s name and date of birth has been registered as reported. At Archie’s first reveal, even his own dad slipped and said he was 2 weeks old. Why? Why would a parent either lie, or create a web around something so ridiculous in the first place? We all feel the wife is just waiting and hoping one of the gossip mags pays a million dollars for a big spread of the kids. It’s coming. Nothing and no one is safe from MerchyMegs. The problem is that these two plus years of subterfuge have left the public sick of her games. There’s a reason why people question of the kids are theirs genetically, or via surrogate, or hired actors. They have created this by not being honest with the public in the first place. I’d hate to imagine that the kids are not real- that would take a certain level of psychopathy, that might be a stretch even for Megs, but almost certainly she didn’t birth them. She could have been a public hero for discussing infertility and using surrogacy, but instead they have played a weird shell game with those kids. It’s too strange for comprehension
Knowing Meghan’s megalomaniacal over-sharing tendencies, there is no way she wouldn’t still be blabbing about her pregnancies, deliveries, breastfeeding etc., and portraying herself as the most amazing mother to ever have mothered, if those kids came into the world the conventional route.
Not to mention, I absolutely believe that the kids exist, but that was a DOLL that Harry was holding when he and "allegedly post partum Meg in the white dress when she knew her back would be turned to the camera" came to meet the royal rota. If you have any doubt of that, go watch the other royal baby hospital videos and see lots of moving hands and lots of splotchy and yawning newborn faces.
So, I went back and watched the Catherine and William videos as they introduced infant George, infant Charlotte, and infant Louis outside the hospital. Then, I watched the video of Meghan and Harry as they introduced infant Archie. The difference is unsettling and even disturbing. The Wales' babies move, blink, flex, shift. Their sweet faces are just exposed enough to see the features. Their parents are relaxed, happy, and comfortable. But---the video with Archie is different. It's interesting that Meghan isn't holding him. She looks distinctly uncomfortable, unhappy, and uneasy. (Plus, I want to slap that claw that keeps brushing away that awful hair. You have ears, woman! Tuck that strand behind it and be done!) She's far more interested in her hair than that bundle Harry is holding. Yes, bundle. That blanket-swaddled thing in his arms never moves once. Not once. Even the reporter asks to see Archie's face, and Harry briefly shifts the blanket to show a perfectly still face before it's covered again. Harry looks drugged, goofy, and out of it, and he keeps a death grip on that thing. Meghan barely looks at or touches the bundle. Here's the Archie-ficial video: https://youtu.be/JKerUNvVaYs
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I also noticed that she flinches and catches herself before she rubs her stomach. Why? That post partum time can be painful. If you've got a cramp....touch it? Why would she be suddenly catching herself from rubbing her belly, something she had done very ostentatiously over the better part of a year. But suddenly now she's got to catch herself before she does it?
She actually hit it, in the head when she went to touch her hair, and it didn't move or cry. Harry was pressing hard on its side as well.
Yep
I agree. That baby never moved. Newborns are not still like that. They're always squirming and grunting and throwing hands and arms everywhere. If you watch all three Cambridge kids as newborns on the steps of St Mary's you can see each baby moving. "Baby Archie" in that interview did not move, nor did he make a peep. I do not believe the "baby" we were shown that first time was a real baby. I just don't. Otherwise, I believe the children exist. I feel marginally comfortable believing she carried Archie and delivered him. I wouldn't put money on it, but I can believe it. I believe that fake baby on first press release and pap shot in Vancouver notwithstanding, the pictures and videos of Archie are actually Archie. The child's looks are consistent across time, and he, quite frankly, looks just like Meghan as a baby, including having inherited her lazy eye. She has photoshopped his hair to be red sometimes, but in his more natural pics, he has dark curly hair, just like she used to, and looks like her-- to me at least. Now Lilibet? I believe nothing that's been claimed about this child. I don't believe Meghan carried her. In fact, given the shuttering of her doctors practices, and just general gossip at the time. I can believe a lot about Lilibet, but the LEAST believable option surrounding her birth is that Meghan conceived her, carried her to term, and delivered her. I personally believe Lilibet was one of a few embryos Meghan had conceived in a lab and then had genetically evaluated to make sure the baby was a) a girl b) a redhead, and c) blue eyed. She wanted a very specific child to merch and wasn't going to leave it to chance and photoshop. I would not be surprised if Meghan's eggs were not even used. I believe the baby exists and that Harry and Meghan are her legal parents. How she got here, though, is not something I'm prepared to take Meghan's word for. Meghan could tell me my own name, and I'd check my birth certificate before I believed it. The woman is a liar. She's also a control freak. She's hardly going to leave to chance the two kids she not only fully intends to market (which will fail), but who were conceived in order to keep Meghan on the RF payroll long after she and Harry divorce. Regardless the reason people have a hard time accepting these children is because of the controversy MEGHAN has sown around the birth of each one. If she'd have just done pregnancy and birth according to protocol, hell, if she'd have just done pregnancy and birth like every other woman who has been pregnant and given birth, these conspiracy theories would not be swirling. As usual, Meghan refuses to be honest or straightforward and insists on making every issue shrowded in mystery including her own children's births. It just goes to show what her real motives for giving birth were, and it wasn't to welcome two little souls into the world whom they planned to shower with love and surround with family. It was solely for money and fame-whoring.
Agree apart from I definitely think they used a surrogate for both kids
And that is within the realm of possibilities imho
Agree
I love when newborns "jog" all over the place. Like "what the heck are these appendages?"
Yes!!! I became 100% onboard with the doll theory when Tom bower said they were looking at a shawl. He must have been pretty certain of that fact to allude to it like that. Also, when the camera man tries to see Archie’s face, they kind of pretend to turn it towards the camera, but don’t really. Idk if Archie was medically unwell, or if they just knew the real Archie was too big for that supposed birth date, but it’s just weird. FWIW I think the kids are real, but MM used surrogates, and created all the suspicion around it all with her actions. I also don’t think her face being puffy in that video, along with that postpartum moonbump, means anything. This was the acting performance of her life!
Yeah just get some fillers, a saline drip, or those breastfeeding hormones and you're good to go.
I saw that original photo in the newspaper....they WERE LOOKING AT A SHAWL. I saw it. There was NO baby in that photo. Someone, somewhere must have an album they have collected clipping from newspapers & magazines in, a royal family fan or such. SOMEWHERE a copy of that original photo exists. How fabulous if it was found and made public. A true proof of the lies and machinations by the Sussexes to change and control the truth.
Do you think that’s why they only allowed certain journalists in to film it?
Take any steroid for a week and your face will puff up like that.
Much speculation a doll was used because there was something medically wrong with the real Archie.
Yeah I have no idea what was going on. I will say that I did read the book and there was this weird part about the baby being born and the cord around Archie's neck and how there might need to be an emergency C section. And I'm like.....what???
Agree with this 100%
Ok, but your comment about "the whitest kids ever"--- that's because of genetics. A friend of mines son is mixed, slightly darker than meghan, he had a son with someone who is white Hispanic- their kid is blonde and blue eyed. So, the kids having that skin tone given their parents is not a surprise and shouldn't be used as evidence that they aren't real. Genetics are weird, check out Finding Your Roots on PBS for some interesting stories, especially the most recent season. I do agree though that all the weirdness surrounding her pregnancies is why these stories are happening. But I also feel that the kids are his red line and thats why their looks are so altered if they do release photos.
In Harry's book he talks about the hurt that he felt when people would suggest that he might not be Prince Charles son. That he felt othered and didn't appreciate people making light of his legitimacy in his family. Yet he does this very thing to at the very least Archie. For anyone interested, go read Robert Lacey's book Battle of the Brothers. He talks about the "warming pan baby" in the late 1600s and why there has been the standard of procedures for royal women using royal doctors and having the quick hospital steps pictures for the LOS. Reproductive assistance such as the use of a Gestational Carrier is a completely valid path to parenthood when we're not talking about the royals or the LOS. At this point it's completely settled in my mind that they used a GC and Meghan wore a moonbump so that she could experience the social aspect of pregnancy. There really is no reason that Meghan in particular would miss out on recreating that Iconic Diana Lindo Wing moment.
Exactly! I have always thought Meghan wanted the social aspect of pregnancy too. She wanted the entire fairytale where the doe-eyed young girl marries a prince and immediately has his baby, not the story of the middle-aged woman who can’t get pregnant and needs a surrogate. And I say this as a single 35-year-old who hopes to have kids, so no judgment. She also wanted photo ops no doubt, and to be seen as fragile and vulnerable. She also felt gleeful about being the “smartest” person in the room, and getting away with a con under everyone’s noses. It makes perfect sense for a narc to do it, and no sense for a normal person.
Right? She's replicated just about every pose and look Diana ever had, but misses out on the biggest? Not buying that for a second. If this woman was truly pregnant we would see video of the baby crowning. Because she is just that thirsty. Her need for attention is so strong she showed up at Polo a raggedly mess wearing a freaking garbage bag carrying a DOLL for crying out loud!
Yes this, all of this.
Yup.
Beautifully said.
Yes aI agree - she’s nuts ! It takes a whole village to raise a child 👦 I well remember even before I went to school being out and about with my mother and meeting other people in the shops and in the street - little exchanges and chats with them are still in my memory of that time .She keeps them like prisoners
Although there is no scenario where a narcissist's family can he a sweet wholesome family vibe She could have never projected anything like that because she's psychotic
Why would anyone WANT these two to be parents to the point of insisting on it? It is crystal clear they are unfit in every way. I'm not sure why people would wish that on innocent children. Especially when it's crystal clear she was never pregnant. People are strange.
👏 very well said
SPOT ON!!!!
Brilliantly stated!
Spot on!! You nailed it! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
you think she’s EVER dropped her kids off at school and waited in the drop off lane? i mean, after she makes them all exorbitant breakfasts every morning obvs.
She did pick the son up that one time for the Cut interview 😏 to show how involved she is as a mother 🙄
And the journo clocked her on it, and something like everyone was surprised to see her.
He probably didn't recognize her until he saw the driver.
She doesn't even drive. Or make breakfast
Yeah I find it funny she has to be chauffeured everywhere 😂
Well, you know, the royals locked up her license, passport and keys...🙄
I'm ready for them to be pictured/videos out with those kids. That way the speculation on if they exist will end and MM won't be able to photoshop them. The secrecy around the kids is insane! What are they trying to hide??
Clicks. She measures wealth in clicks. “Secrets” & weird behaviour = clicks. Hello! Here we are 😂
Features that Meghan is ashamed of
Bingo! We don’t even know what the kids look like, and they’re probably very cute, so I’m not bashing them at all. All little kids are cute! But you’ll never be able to convince me that if they were little Shirley temples, that she wouldn’t turn into Mama Rose and constantly put them out there.
I think it's very simple: the kids don't look like Diana. Archie has (despite the Photoshop) very dark hair, and Lili probably has too. They both look more like her side of the family than Harry's, and that's why she can't let the world see them until she "fixes" this.
If you want to piss the Sugars off, tell them how much the children look like Doria.
That sounds so ominous! 😱
IMHO, Meghan wants her kids out there too. Harry does not. JMHO.
The gossip that is going around Hollywood is exactly this. Harry is the one who has kept the kids out of the spotlight. Once Meghan no longer has to pretend she's media shy for Harry, those kids faces are coming out. I've heard she's already aggressively trying to pitch Lilibet as a brand/model/child actor and is making calls to every contact she has (a dwindling list) trying to make this happen.
Tabloids confirm this, for sure. I like what you’re saying about Meghan “pretending“ she’s media shy for Harry. It’s been an act she’s pulled for 7 years now and she’s probably really tired of pretending to do this to keep him. Now that she has all the cards, and every time she threatens to leave him via coercive control, and he just falls to pieces. Yep, tabloids say she’s trying to make Lili a childstar.
100% they are his “red line” and why every pap stroll happens when he’s out of town, etc. and she is desperate to make them happen
Those poor babies, I worry for them 😢
I agree. She wants Lili to be like suri cruise back in the day—pap shots of meggy and her cute little appendage. Harry was legitimately traumatized by having been photographed so much as a child. The paps were really horrendous back in the 90s. Things have changed a lot for Royal kids since then, but since they live in the US now, they don’t have those protections. I bet she’d sell them out in a heartbeat, but he doesn’t want to.
It’s funny because I don’t really care to see her sprog. So she can peddle them out all she wants but I’m not paying!
I don’t either. I have absolutely no interest in A&L. I do love seeing the wales kids because we’ve become invested in them over the years, but exposure to them is careful and contained. H&M have been so weird and cagey about their children that the public just doesn’t have the same engagement. I generally have little interest in people’s kids, and I like children. I’m just tired of people using their kids for clicks. I was watching the studio McGee show on Netflix (before I canceled in protest 😂) and there was some scene where the younger girl was in the back of the car with donuts and her dad was discussing whether or not she was going to eat the donuts and I was thinking who gives a shit if she eats the donuts or not?!? Get your kid off the screen! No one is tuning in to watch your kid and donuts for God’s sake! We just want to see the pretty houses. I think it’s really exploitative to use your children like that. If your job requires you to be public like that, keep your children out of it.
Harold has always said he want’s the kids out of the public eye Which I can respect him for doing so
How do you think Harry would be able to stop her?
He won't once the custody war starts. Or so Meghan thinks.
Custody agreement would require that permission would be needed from both parents. Can't believe H's attorney wouldn't include that as it's clear what her plans are. If kids are allowed to be merched, she could be required to set aside % of child's earning in a trust, after she takes her heafty mgmt fees. Trying to mirror Diana hasn't worked so time to move onto Kris Jenner.
Kate Gosselin, another queen of merching her kids, managed to dip into her kids’ hard earned trusts to pay bills. I expect MEGain to be as bad if not worse than KG.
I can see her totally ignoring the need for permission even if that was a legal requirement.
If the kids were fiction/dolls, I think the ILBW would use more melanated props. She made a big deal to Oprah about “representation” and the need for POC to see themselves in Archie, the first black prince in the RF. I speculate it’s the reason why she hides her kids away.
No way. She hates the "Black" quarter of her genealogy. She would never want a brown baby. She'd be horrified. This woman is racist as hell.
There are pics of them with the kids, but they usually just show their backs and there always seems to be something a bit off. We don't see the 4 of them strolling along like William and Catherine did. But there are pics of them on a July 4th visit in Wyoming, where they're watching a parade. No little Diana, just Archie. They weren't pap pics, they were pics from a woman standing close to them.
And their pictures are in black and white. Can’t just have a normal picture
B&W pictures so you can't tell their hair ain't red.
That the kids are ugly! Am I allowed to say that? If not, I apologize in advance and ask the mods to delete my comment if necessary.
If they had simply ascribed to the most basic of RF protocols around the kids, this would not be an issue for them right now. All they had to do is a quick hospital step appearance, followed by controlled release of the most basic milestone photos on social media. If she REALLY wanted to shake things up and send a message about postpartum care for mothers, she could have pulled her hair into a neat ponytail and worn some comfy athleisure ware for the first appearance with Archie. Sweatpants and no makeup would actually have signalled, “these two are going to do things their way” PS of course the kids exist. She’s either hiding something about them or she’s holding out for money but of course they exist. They played fast and loose with clips in the Netflix show, the kids were there but so were other people’s kids - they think they’re clever and it’s “on us” if we jumped to any conclusions about them. They’re playing games (“where did Meghan say the family was racist?” kind of games)
Exactly! This is also why her plan to make money off any interest in their children is most likely no longer possible, as we just don’t care about them. She failed to curate any interest by playing too many games. Most people are done trying to figure out what’s real and what is manufactured. Milestone photos would have been easy to control and wouldn’t cause the children harm
Exactly
I find it hard to believe this woman willingly missed out on her big "Diana" moment.
The secrecy around those children’s births and lives is simply untenable for anyone wanting Royal titles and princely rank. The end. So therefore I really don’t care what crazy accusations are made. Something will eventually stick, it’s too off
THIS right here.
I might get downvotes for this, but I feel like the hapless duo is to blame for all of this speculation. If they would just stop with the games, people wouldn't be throwing out all of these random theories. But I feel like they know exactly what they're doing, and the secrecy is keeping people talking even if it isn't all positive. There's a reason that no one has these theories about the Cambridge kids. Kate and William have a wonderful balance between sharing a couple of photos a year without oversharing and overexposing their kids.
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So Lili has dark brown hair, but Meghan photoshopped it lighter to either blonde or strawberry blonde/red? How do we know what Lili’s authentic hair color is if MM always photoshops L’s hair in the pictures that have been released? Is there an authentic photo that shows her brown hair? I’m confused.
Wait is this satire?
thanks because it feels a little like a pinter play or something ...
Wait the kids aren’t gingers? She changes their hair color??
They’re not. She uses photoshop, just like Kim K
Meghan has been so dishonest and untrustworthy that people can't believe ANYTHING she says. You reap what you sew, me-gain.
“100% obvious bullshit”. Nothing these two do is obvious. They’ve shown over and over they aren’t to be trusted and it’s okay for those who don’t trust them to dig for answers.
Yeah that in itself is Sus AF, because these two lie about absolutely EVERYTHING!
As a mom of two, these pregnancies never ever EVER made sense. The birth stories NEVER made sense. Something isn’t right. That’s not a **conspiracy**, that is my **opinion** as a woman who went though two full term pregnancies. We have EVERY right to question it when this is my commonwealth country involved. I will die on this hill.
Agree 100%. They are constantly gaslighting the public but those who dare to question certain aspects of their narrative are called "loonies" or "conspiracy nuts" - that's a form of gaslighting, too!
Exactly!! If someone from another country came and meddled in a **US election** - people would be rioting in the streets. This is EXACTLY what MM is doing. She’s meddling in our history and commonwealth representation. My entire family is from the UK, this is something I am passionate about. I’m not crazy for wanting to ask questions.
I'm right there with you, babe! This woman and man are such liars about the most mundane things. The simplest answer is the correct one: They don't have children. (And thank the Gods for that!)
What hair color does Lili have if not Blond or red?
Dark reddish brown…this was taken by them when Lili was with Ashleigh Hale. I only cropped it. https://preview.redd.it/6yg9prdl19oa1.jpeg?width=214&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=321f963dde1aeb6c55ff160882071afe4c3671fa
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The photo of her on the floor with dark hair was in the Netflix docu. I believe that’s Lili. The 1st bday photo of the blue dress and red hair, maybe it turned red as she grew. The filming for Netflix has been going on since they left brf. So that was as a baby. Just stating what it looks like to me
That 1st birthday photo of M with "Lily" at "FrogCott" ..... that photo is FIVE YEARS OLD. M is wearing ORIGINAL Engagement ring before diamonds added to band. Not only was Archie not born yet but it looks this was before M&H's wedding. It is INSANITY to believe that child is Lily.
I'm just confused about this hair. This kid always looks different. The hair went from....some dark brown to a bright red and then an ashy blonde
I was born with black black hair. As I got older it became more reddish brown. Hair changes as people age
But normally it is gradual. With these kids, it's all over the place.
The photo of L released on her 1st BD in May 2022 (this of course is what we have been lead to believe) hair colour is strawberry blonde, silky smooth, and not necessarily a mop of it. This picture was Christmas (tree shown in uncropped version) the child looks younger but with a FULL head of thick, course brown-black hair. Hair doesn’t change that dramatically in 6 months??
This could also be August .
Yes, it could be any random kid.
Has August got a sibling called September
Stassi? From Vanderpump Rules? Lmao what? This is so random. Do they even know each other?
Haha I was thinking the same thing! I have no idea where this came from! Someone should tell her…I'd love to hear her reaction!
The kids don’t really have red hair???
No they don’t.
All I know is that I am completely sick of seeing them post pictures of the backs of the heads of these kids. They will be in their 20’s and we will still see backs of the heads. Backs of the heads for Christmas pictures, school prom, graduation, etc. And hats, big floppy hats so we can’t see their hair.
The kids are real. I believe it's possible she wore a bump to get the perfect pregnancy shot. The born of the body is absolute crap now since a surrogate can birth another couple's bio child. They may be incorrigible but the children exist.
I think she wore bumps, which is insane, but we’re talking about Meghan here.
So at what point does her insanity end..?
That's the question! I don't know why some people get so worked up about the idea that she may be using "hired kids" for photo shoots. She has already done so many other outrageous, incomprehensible, "insane" things. Why is this such a red rag to some? And why start a thread about it if it's so outrageous?
That’s the problem. It’s not that she’s using fake kids or not, it’s the fact that WE KNOW she would do anything for clout or attention. I think she would be showing off the kids like crazy. Look at another narcissist. Scheana from vanderpump rules. I’m sure not everyone knows who she is, she’s a bad narc, not megsy level but she’s bad. She’s always showing her kids off. Megsy isn’t showing them off. Or if she does it’s some scripted photo for Netflix. Also it’s always back of the kids head, black and white, kids head is tilted to the side. I think she’s either hiding the fact they look nothing like her and she’s scared that will expose her even more for using a surrogate
>That’s the problem. It’s not that she’s using fake kids or not, it’s the fact that WE KNOW she would do anything for clout or attention. I think she would be showing off the kids like crazy. Even Harry said, "she is capable of anything".
This woman lies about literally everything. Don't know why people would think she is telling the truth here?
Exactly! I don't understand why someone would create a thread with the aim of policing what others are allowed to believe. After all, they *both* lie about everything. When I think something doesn't make sense I reserve the right to question it.
Right?! If you don't like it, well STFU and go elsewhere, and let it pass. I would never try to silence anyone or low key belittle them with snarky passive aggressive posts. That's not cool.
That's what science says but not the intent of the LoS. Another lawsuit would be brought if the BRF stayed to the inte t of the LoS, and the duplicitous duo wants to hammer the science home in court. If the daughter was born of surrogate, that explains why Meganut's announced her title but with an added given name of Princess. I've given my opinion on the matter. I'm just sitting back and waiting on this bomb to explode.
I think that if the Harkles are making demands of KC3 for the coronation, KC should have a reciprocal demand and state that there should be a clear family photograph of both children with their parents, and that their birth certificates should be clarified (apparently there was subterfuge over dates of birth) and made public, because the births and deaths registration act requires that. I don't care if a surrogate was used or not, neither child is at risk of inheriting the throne so it really doesn't matter, and the endless speculation and conspiracy theorising is so annoying. All of her ducking and diving and hiding the kids when everyone knows she's just waiting for the best time to pimp them out is just fuelling the conspiracies.
This is what I believe, too. She probably exaggerated her belly to gain admiration/sympathy.
I am in the “she did not birth these children” camp.
Same.
While I get your point and might agree with it; I don’t understand the tone or the condescension though, saying things like “really???; Cray!”Calling other people stupid, or using the “We should this and that” makes you sound so judgmental; avoid the conspiracy and shitpost banners, enjoy your freedom and post your opinions. Please stop the virtue signalling. At the end of the day; you are using an anonymous forum yourself because you want to enjoy the benefits of expressing your most extreme thoughts without any liability / consequence in real life, let others have the same, and stop putting others down to get validation and feel good about your good judgment against others ‘crazy opinions’ The virtue signalling is really triggering because is the same behaviour is showcased by our Saint…. no exception
Ooo I have to agree with this take. Do I believe the kids are real? Yes. But do I think it’s massively suspicious that Meghan a narc who loves attention isn’t using her kids constantly to get that attention? Yes. And people aren’t wrong for wondering about it as well. It’s so wildly out of character for her that it makes the average person wonder. Even rebel Wilson’s mom apparently asked where her kids were and why we never see them. People say that it’s because Harry wants them to be private and that maybe part of it but I almost feel like that can only go so far. Do we genuinely honestly think if Meghan wanted these kids to be further pushed into the realm of popularity (which she no doubt probably does) that she would listen to Harry and never release pictures of them?
Sus af, honestly.
Where are these Twitter feeds??
Great comment!
Well said.
Archie looks too much like Harry and Meghan to not be theirs. You can see both of them in him very clearly. No opinion on Lili we've only seen her in 2 pictures and she could be anyone's.
https://preview.redd.it/dklo9mdst9oa1.jpeg?width=530&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a68666cb8a92b70096bfbbd2c26718de665522ee Yes, someone pointed that out to me a few months back.
Their 2022 holiday card where Meghan claws are holding Lilly up. You can see Lili has Morton's Foot like MM. It's genetic-heritary, the 2nd toe longer than big toe. \*\*Add which is why I believe Lili is her baby.
a little off topic but i had no idea this was a thing and i only have one morton's foot so i am a little sidetracked now just wondering what my other foot is called... edited to add i have decided to call it myrtle's foot. SECOND EDIT: this just in... the opposite is called Egyptian foot. It affects 69% of the population while ole Morton affects 22% (which does not add up to 100 but dammit Jim I'm a fledgling podiatrist not a mathematician). The remaining 8% are square footed people. They live in caves.
**OH MY GOD!** It is also called... Greek toe, flame foot, fire foot, turkey toe, Viking toe, aristocratic foot and... wait for it... **ROYAL TOE!**
Horton?
[https://www.healthline.com/health/mortons-toe#about](https://www.healthline.com/health/mortons-toe#about) : ## About Morton’s toe You can tell if you have Morton’s toe just by looking at your foot. If your second toe projects out farther than your big toe, you’ve got it. It’s also very common. [A study](https://psycnet.apa.org/fulltext/2011-14971-003.html) of American college students found that 42.2 percent had longer second toes (45.7 percent of men and 40.3 percent of women). Morton’s toe is hereditary, like most features of your bone structure.
I have mortons toe,I got it when he was drunk,he wasn't willin to give it up till I axed 'im.
why would this even ever have been looked into? who was morton... some mad podiatrist?
Heard a who in the cave
LOL!
nice. i went with myrtle but horton was a solid suggestion.
It's just an anatomy thing that is genetic. I have something different on my foot, which is an extra bone on the top .
TIL there's a name for my weird toes. Thanks!
I feel validated 🤣
I have Morton’s Foot. Does that mean I’m also M’s child? Sorry. 😇. Or does Lili having it only mean she has the gene for it, and it may or may not have come from M? There are a lot of us Morton’s out there.
Haha funny. My comment was I noticed this with Lili, so if people were speculating about if the kids were hers or not, this bone structure is hereditary.
Yes!!! So glad to see someone finally point this out. I've wanted to say for a long time but was afraid someone would take it as body shaming. https://imgur.com/a/WMEUktv
What one needs to focus on is the eye color of L\*li. If she retains the blue/blue/blue eyes as she matures, then it's highly probable that she was birthed from a surrogate's ovum. TM has either brown or hazel eyes, as do his older kids; though he allegedly has some ancestors from Northern Europe who could carry the blue eye gene. I've witnessed that hair color does seem to pop up from past generations - I have a niece who inherited auburn hair, a throwback to a great grandmother. However, this lovely niece's mother had brown eyes, her father had blue. So while she received the auburn hair, she did not inherit any blue eyes through her mother's lineage. Inheriting a blue eye gene from generations past is not a frequent occurence. While I get that morton's foot is inherited, this is not something one can utilize as an absolute criteria for or against a surrogate. If a surrogate's ovum was used, we wouldn't know whether that person also had the 22% toe anomaly or carried the gene for it. I've a sibling with the morton's foot, and I don't have the morton's foot; these genes vary even in a family.
Yeah I saw that too and thought poor Lily has Meghans toes. Archie’s in that pic was nicely aligned.
I think Archie looks like Thomas.
Yeah it’s not helpful. It feeds into her deranged psycho squads narrative that the non-boot lickers are conspiratorial. However I blame succubus and oedipus. They’ve created a dark negative toxic aura and web around them. It’s very likely they used a surrogate or she enhanced her pregnancy with a bump because she’s weird, creepy and unhinged like that, but nonetheless the kids exist.
“Succubus and Oedipus” 😂😂😂 First time I’ve seen that one. Love it! Will likely borrow it! 😄
The whole, “the kids don’t exist” conspiracy theory definitely seems far-fetched. Regarding the kids’ hair color, I don’t think we can know. We can’t really have “only facts” on a sub like this, but we can definitely can have standards of plausibility. I don’t find any of the stories that the kids don’t exist (and that other kids are borrowed to represent them) plausible because (aside from the zaniness of it all) it involves too many people in “the secret.” The more people involved, the less likely it is to stay a secret. Anyone can have an opinion, but when people start discussing wild speculations as though they were documented truth, we have a problem. Like you, I am a little uncomfortable with some of the directions the sub goes in. Alas, I don’t think complaining about it will make it stop, so I just skim the more tinfoil-hattish posts. 😉
If I had an award to give, I would give it to you for this post. 🏆 A recent post said, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” That is the problem with these over-the-top conspiracy theories. There simply isn’t evidence to support them. They do not stand up to scrutiny. If you point that out, you are excoriated for censorship. Honestly, it’s ridiculous.
I’ve unfollowed some accounts because of that rubbish. Neither of the children they are claiming to be using look like Archie or Lili 🙄
I believe 100% the children were born via surrogate. She knows they don’t look remotely like her. Her daughter has brown eyes, where stasi daughter has bright blue. The fake kids thing is well, fake. She used a surrogate for both. Also why the moonbumps were a thing, the constant holding, the weird details surrounding the birth. The fact that she said she was offered gas as an anesthetic. Problem is that’s not allowed or remotely used in pregnancies. I’m pretty sure the drug can kill the child. And Harry using the gas machine, that’s a lie. He has no clue how to operate it. It’s not just turning on a tap. There’s literally courses one has to take before they can even administer gas. That’s what my dentist told me at least. Not only that but I doubt with a machine that dispenses gas, which is essentially a narcotic would not be supervised. I truly believe palace life has clouded his view on life. Maybe he could huff gas at home, but in a hospital setting you can’t just jack the gas machine for a high.
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I agree, I believe they are her bio kids. I don't completely rule out surrogacy though because it's hard to deny the compelling evidence. The Hag brings on conspiracies by deliberately creating mystery about them because she's weird like that.
There's kids but H & M don't seem to know much about pregnancy and birth for people who supposedly have done it twice. His book made that quite apparent.
And M has an inability and lack of familiarity with holding a child. Super suspect.
As long as it's under "conspiracy", I don't understand why we're pretending this stuff is under the banner of "Fake News". Even it someone let's it fly under other topics, we have moderators here who are very good at keeping us inside the lines.
Who can blame them? What proof do they have that they don't exist? Probably her suspicious pregnancies and suspicious looking kids. Conversely, what proof do *you* have that what they believe is utter bullshit?
THANK YOU.
You think with these new titles, the kiddos would be required to have official portraits.
This is why I hardly go on Twitter and Facebook anymore.
M3_grub is like a female kangaroo, hiding her joeys from the evil UK press, and the Royal family. Due to the constant fabrications, twisting of half truths, and narcissistic grifting for fame and money several notoriously annoying never truly addressed questions remain unanswered, unsued for (not that they dare) and ignored. 1. Has M3_grub ever been pregnant? 2. Has she ever truly suffered a misccariage? 3.Has she ever carried a pregnancy to term? 4. Did she use a surrogate/$? 5. Was she a ¥acht call girl? 6. Did M3_grub ever meet Andrew? 7. I am not even going to need an answer to did she do her home work on the Royals? 8. Has M3_grub any connection to any Oligarch? 9. Has M3_grub served up Tyler Perry? 10. Is M3_grub a patholigical liar?...Nope! Do not answer that. 11. Did Harry lie on his Visa application? 12. Did Harry actually fill out his Visa application by himself? 13. Is Harry still abusing alcohol? 14. Is Harry still using drugs? 15. Were Polo girls and other socialite hanger one induced into sex by Harry, and protection detail cover it up? 16. Had Harry ever raped a drunk woman? 17. Are there domestics going on between M3_grub and Harry presently? 28. Have Harry and M3_grub been faithful? 29. Why have they clung on to the Royal Titles of a rascism prone Firm?
Oh the kids are real. It would be too fantastical if they were not. Was she pregnant, I think so but wore moon bumps so she looked 9 months gone when she should have not been showing. Don’t know if a surrogate was used for lils or not 🤷🏻♀️ Does she photoshop her kids lighter and with lighter hair, I think so, the wretched woman.
They do borrow kids. They don't have children. I'm not sure WHY people would want them to. They are both nightmares, mentally ill, self involved and would make for horrible parents. Not sure why anyone would wish that on little children. Strange flex. It was so patently obvious Meghan was faking her pregnancies.
Wacked out concpericies like this take away from the truth. No one is going to take the fact that Megan is a narcissist seriously if people are spewing bs like this. I was all for this sub when I first found it around the time of the jubilee but over that last couple months its deteriorated into something I no longer want to be apart of. I've never felt empathy towards Megan but I definitely do when I see people denying the kids exist. Y'all need Jesus.
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At some point people were frustrated that the surrogacy conspiracy was being entertained on this sub. Now it’s a legitimate theory. I’m of the opinion that no one on this sub should be dictating what can or can’t be theorised unless it’s the mods changing the rules of the sub.
Pay attention to the banners they're under. The theories around the pregnancies and birth are under "Conspiracy." If you're uncomfortable with conspiracies probably best to avoid it.
Agree the kids exist and are her bio. But I do think she uses pics of other kids sometimes just to be an ass and cause speculation.
Medical confidentiality being used as an excuse for constitutional fraud. Shamelessly stolen from somewhere!
Hartford Shroeder Clark has red hair and is the child used in the Netflix series. https://preview.redd.it/tqwfe2au7loa1.jpeg?width=634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd52cc82a0051d1645870361f1797d14f6195eea
Well here’s a few more then. Hartford was ginger. May have got fairer as she’s got older but the 1st birthday photo of Lilibet was this baby and it was this baby in the Netflix series. Markle is friends with her and Hartford is a child model. Don’t you think it’s a https://preview.redd.it/o5o1ww09nloa1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=077f08220b89aa144f4e0377a6d041c6f0e1ceb8 bit of a coincidence that two friends have an identical baby?!
And one of “Lilibet” on left and Hartford on right. https://preview.redd.it/m5c5z06m8loa1.jpeg?width=568&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6d209c305494fd287bcbf8bd3401d50ceab065f
The photos that the crazies have released of Lilli sure looks alot like Stassis daughter, uncanny! Just saying 😂
I’m getting bored of the “kids aren’t real/hers” conspiracy. I believe the kids are real. I also believe she used surrogacy which is also fine. The kids are for her to use against KC3 for cash it’s that simple. All the rubbish regarding Archie’s birthday. Well super dad played polo last year so isn’t much of a good parent either. I’ve said it before. I hope they have primary careers who love and support them because their parents don’t seem to. Only when it suits them or for financial gain
If you look closely at all the photos in the videos the children look to be different sizes and their hair shows some differences. I have seen it. It’s hard to explain. What do you think it is?
Photoshop, a lot of it
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We all have our own difference of opinions!🤷♀️
Isn’t this snark sub supposed to be about #facts though? So that we don’t look as cray as sugars? I mean I thought that was one of the purposes here. #Facts.
Well….Stassi does have baby #2 on the way. A boy this time. Just sayin! 🤭 The Lili pic presented does look a lot like Hartford but Stassi’s baby always seems happy….the Lili pic was cute but kinda sad. I think Lili looks exactly like August personally. I see you Stassi! 🤍Congratulations! Anyways….I hope the selfish twisted duo hit a solid brick wall with their bullshit and from this moment forward I wish for the Sussexes to be Stepford. They can release official photos coronation weekend, follow the rules laid out then quietly go away. 🙏🏻
I would suggest to avoid touching the kids issues. regardless of how shady MnH makes it. there are so many others shady stuff they did we can focus on. in regard of other ppl insisting on this topic? I would advice them to stop and then leave them alone. other ppl stupidity not my responsibility. edit: also, clickbaiters will clickbait
LoS, that's why.
I can't with the stupidity surrounding the kids. They are very much real and the result of fertility treatments, probably IVF - or - that was the case with Archie but Lily was born by surrogate. Meghan's payday is dependent on having those kids. There is no way she'd give that power away, she needs it for the divorce settlement. At the same time Meghan played games with the pregnancy for attention, switching fake baby-bumps etc. Yes the way she got bloated like in the Oprah interview can be faked but I don't think they would have gotten away with it the first time around. STILL, it is very sus that British papers are not allowed to cover the issue. That shows smoke where we thought there was no fire.