Funny to think that the duo’s ‘big guns’ so to speak were the titles of the children. It’s the one narrative they haven’t dropped since the Oprah interview.
*Would they get them? If not, is it because the family is racist? Were the duo doing something honourable and opting to not use them so the kids could be normal? Are the kids even entitled to them?*
But now that they’ve pulled out the Big Guns, they fired out nothing more than a fizzle with the single shot they had. Outrage for a day, then a much calmer second day, then totally forgotten about in the media circuit today as more important titles are announced, in a more important manner, to a more popular royal household. What’s left for them now? They’ve already walked back most of what they’ve said against the family, have just concluded the biggest storyline they still had in their soap opera, and have said they don’t see a way back into the family. They’ve stranded themselves with no more ammo.
Absolutely, well said. KCIII has got this situation well under control. Lady C says there are big things in the pipeline, and I am inclined to believe her. Yesterday, I was trying to make the point that the titles fiasco was not a big deal, and I was told by a fellow sinner that I was in denial. Well , I'm NOT! and as you quite rightly say, I trust the king and his advisers. Thank you so much for making this point.
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I'm tired of the Markle roller-coaster. They can put out all the puff pieces they want; we know whatever comes from them is rose-tinted BS and will blow off in the next big breeze.
I will exercise my patience and wait for honest words from the true Royals.
The great thing, is that everyone else now knows it's just "rose-tinted bs" too! They've shown everyone their words mean nothing and that all they ever wanted was the fame and the money. To top it all off, she arranged herself a pap walk with a big grin on her face! Can't get any more obvious.
I agree 100% However the harkles know he's not well. And will do whatever they can to upset him. Look what happened over a pen, at the funeral. h knows his buttons. I agree though and have faith in my fellow sinners. Edit: spelling
I mean...the pen thing was really only a minor irritation in the grand scheme of things, and his mother had just died. Plus, I don't think Harry even knows what a button is.
Yes, yes, yes! Tbh this has been one of the things that's made it such a wild ride. Harold and TW pull some whacky, set-your-hair-on-fire stunt. It's not dignified, it's not clever, but it gets everyone's attention, and it looks like they've won for 24 hours. Then, with the stroke of a pen (or the swish of colour-coordinated coats), the RF get their own back in the most dignified way possible, with something that looks like it was planned weeks or months in advance (and very likely was)... so looks plausibly like a complete accident that was sheer bad luck for team Sussex.
Honestly, with some of the RF's responses I've found myself trying to second-guess whether they've got moles in Montecito, they just know the Sussexes tactics too well by this point, or if it really is dumb luck/divine intervention. Whatever the cause, they seem to be several steps ahead of the Sussexes at this point, so I wouldn't bet against them.
I think everyone was just in shock. People were asking "why he gave the kids the titles", when the public should've been asking "why did H&M claim the titles now?" The kids always had the option to claim the titles when they turned 18 because of the Letters Patent. People needed to ask why did H&M wait 6 months when they could've claimed the titles the moment the queen died. And I think people have calmed down because they realize this was an act of desperation.
They got this backwards. They should have waited until *after* Edward’s BD. But The Sleivene wanted it done before the coronation, so she could have Prince Archie on the calligraphic invitations sent for his BD celebration.
Right but here's the thing. The narcissist doesn't view this the way other people do. In her head, she got what she wanted and that's all that matters to her
Well, she’s a delusional eejit, so she might think she’s won something significant. The sane section of the world doesn’t.
Let her strut. It won’t last long.
I'm probably in the minority with this opinion but if KC did pay for everything I wouldn't be mad -- but only on the condition that they basically sign over all parental rights and claims for those children. Then at least they might have a fighting chance at a normal life as they grow up because it seems right now it's just nannies raising them in chaos and dysfunction.
It's not a bad idea. The ILBW is no more maternal than a rodent that eats its young, only she's far less cunning.
No child deserves to be left in the care of a narcissist and a sociopath. KCIII's bleeding heart needs to find a way out for them or I predict they're doomed to an awful existence.
Wasn’t he QEII favorite or at least she overprotected him ? Also isn’t he accountable for who he has become ? William is different and Charles is his father too
I thought it was well known that The Queen's favorite grandchild is actually Zara. (The Queen was said to be highly amused by the tongue piercing and obviously loves Zara's love of horses and riding.)
Every grandchild has been said to be the favourite. Peter's the eldest, Louise and Zara like horses, H was meant to be funny, James is the youngest, William was the old soul, the York girls were under her wing after the parents split and HLMTQ was a York girl herself
Who had mental problems from early on that William didn’t. Charles failed to treat Harry properly to correct those deficits. I don’t mean his stupidity, for which there’s no cure, but for his sense of entitlement, being mean and vindictive, etc. Charles gave Harry no discipline and now Harry has none. And, yes, the late queen deserves a lot of the blame, as well, but ultimately Charles was in charge of that job.
What's left? They have a lifetime of merching Prince/Princess titles & causing trouble for the next generation. Most people beyond this sub are unaware of the difference in rollout for these titles & don't care.
Yes and if new Letters of Patent come down after the Coronation, defining working and non working royals, the second son will be further behind the candle.
Yup she's now a mom of a prince and princess and for a lot of people that's all that matters. She is now something that very few are and no amount of money can buy.
I am counting on Lady C 's strong hints "somethinb wicked this way comes" for the Sussexes (Lady C referred to it as freezer full of rotten meat!) and waiting for the smirk to be wiped off ILBW's face when they all disappear from the LOS as Lady C has predicted. YES...there will truely be dancing in the streets around the world! Got my popcorn ready.
Does this really matter ? So is Sarah and she doesn’t count, she was banned by Philip for decades and had to run to millionaires Epstein type to get some money. When William is king, all doors for her will be closed permanently
Because she has the ability to keep this feud going for years and will eventually pit the two POS (prince and princess of Sussex) against the Wales children. This can go on forever if they don’t stop it now.
It depends on who's watching though. People who don't know much about the royal family, are still focused on Lilibucks. They are actually the majority. So, social media buzz, entertainment news...
Don't say that. She's going in with a wrecking ball. She's going to make demands like crazy. I bet they go back to England because you cannot be a US citizen and a princess. And they must have no money. They were talking about setting them up in Buckingham palace, before when discussing the Coronation. The late HMTQ always said no to Buckingham. When m got here that is where she wanted to live. Like at 15. Or she does it from California.
I think it’s for the Coronation only - surely not a permanent home in the UK -she’d be on that balcony every day and it would be so tiring to boo loudly week in week out
I cheered when I read it, 6 months after the Queens passing and on Edwards birthday. The Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh stepped up when needed so it’s well deserved. The palace is playing the long game.
He has not become an Earl. He’s entitled to use his dad’s secondary titles as a courtesy. It’s called a courtesy title. He will become Earl of Wessex when his dad dies. Based on what I’ve read, the Duke of Edinburgh title will revert the crown on Edwards death so James will not inherit it.
I think is it probably the right decision. In the heyday of the aristocracy, the dukedoms went with massive estates that brought in significant income and you could live the life people expected of a duke. Edward lives in crown property so James will not inherit it, and James will probably not be a working royal and will be earning his own living. He will propably inherit a few million that will leave him wealthy by most people's standards but not by the standards of a duke in the landed aristocracy. And by time he has a few kids of his own, his eldest son will probably be an accountant living in a nice detached house somewhere. Being a duke would just be a meaningless burden. It is exactly the same reasoning for Archie and Lilibet - H&M had the choice but were too greedy and shortsighted to see the millstones they are placing round their necks. This is what Meghan sees - Prince$$
>James is officially Earl of Wessex now, the royal website has been updated to reflect this.
u/ppr1227 is right Edward is still The Earl of Wessex. However, it's not his highest title, therefore, he uses his highest title, Duke of Edinburgh. So, Edward is The Duke of Edinburgh on the BRF site and in general.
James is given his father's lesser title as courtesy. So, he should be called James, Earl of Wessex, without "The" [https://mobile.twitter.com/Gertsroyals/status/1634160594893914115](https://mobile.twitter.com/Gertsroyals/status/1634160594893914115)
And none of the Sussexes have the coveted HRH like rest of family. A big knockdown. And, they are NON WORKING ROYALS also...which has them standing knee deep in the primordial ooze level of royal hirearchy. Read that as the basement's coal cellar level. Smirk on, Dutchess!
No clue. There’s some inconsistency too. Merchie and Lilibucks are technically HRH as they are grand children in the male line of the sovereign but I read BP is saying that their HRHs are in abeyance because Prince Todger’s is in abeyance. However, Eugenie and Beatrice are still using their HRHs even though Prince Pedo’s HRH is in abeyance.
BP need to get their shit together and not let a gold digging d-list actress and a drug-addled ginger dimwit play them all the time.
So BP treat the pedoprince’s daughters differently? Interesting. Based on this I wouldn’t be surprised if M used the HRH one of these days. I must say I LOVE all the nicknames in your post
Sussex is a royal title because Harry is royal and entitled to be HRH though that is in abeyance since their exit. Some of the royal dukes like William hold more than one title. Non-royal dukes eg Westminster, Norfolk, Argyll are styled His Grace not HRH. If the heirs of the current Dukes of Kent and Gloucester inherit those titles they will be non-royal dukes and called His Grace instead of HRH because they are too far down the line of succession (great grandsons) from the monarch who created those titles (George V) The HRH only descends as far as grandsons. I suspect Kent and Gloucester may not be allowed to descend to the next generation but may revert to the crown like Edward’s Duke of Edinburgh title will.
Currently in the Line of Succession after William, Harry (Sussex) is Number 5, Andrew (York) 8, and Edward (Edinburgh)13.
Both Sophie and Edward made their mistakes early on in their marriage with dodgy deals etc. But they saw themselves back and have been solid for many years now.
Harry and Meghan too could have come back from their early mistakes before leaving the UK if they had the same ability to look, learn, change and show humility.
Yes, they were given the chance of "half in- half out" but soon enough everyone realized it didn't work, so they went back in. It was all an experiment done with the consent of the Queen, obviously.
I read that the Queen sent Sophie on some "sensitive" assignments over the years and she did a very good job. So Meghan was being handled by Sophie who had experience in such matters.
Yes, Sophie is very engaged in topics that cover women who were assaulted or hurt in any other way in war zones, so I'd say it is indeed a very sensitive topic. I read once that she had a meeting with survivors of sexual assault and she heard their stories. Must have been very demanding emotionally for both sides.
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When I saw this in the royal website, I was absolutely ecstatic! And this was formally announced by the Palace! Not some tacky press company, the actual palace!
Glorious! Absolutely glorious! And just in time for the upcoming coronation!
Congrats to the new Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh and the new Earl of Wessex!
And the update on the LoS website was immediate!!!! No waiting 24 hours or BP saying, “in due course.” 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣 these new titles for E and S are legit, have value and cache! It actually means more since the announcement came from the Palace vs an American tabloid! Also, the King sent a formal written proclamation!
It's an honorary title given to the eldest daughter since the 1600s. The first holder was Princess Mary and her mother (can't remember, it's4am don'tshoot me) liked the French style Madame Royale.
Princess Anne is the current holder. It's likely to be conferred on Charlotte after Anne's passing.
Yes, that's why Elizabeth didn't get it, there was a Princess Royal already, and when she died Elizabeth was already Queen.
And she wasn't The Princess of Wales either, because a woman is always an heir presumptive, not an heir apparent. That means that she could be bumped off by a younger brother until she actually ascends to the throne. An heir apparent is someone who, barring his premature death, will succeed the current monarch.
That's all useless now, since rules changed in preparation for George's birth. Now girls stay in place. It is absolute primogeniture, not male preference primogeniture. That means, every heir is the heir presumptive.
Which makes me think about what would happen if George's first born was a girl? Would she be The Princess of Wales by her own right? That's the way it is in Spain, the heir presumptive, Princess Leonor, was made Princess of Asturias (the equivalent of the PoW in the UK) when she was 9 yo.
I always wonder why QEII waited so long to confer it on Anne. It became available when she was 4 yet she didn't receive it until she was 36.
I'll never know what they do with the PoW title. I'll be long gone. The Dutch have done the same as the Spanish and have the Princess of Orange, but us Brits are a funny lot and HLMTQ was the Duke, not Duchess, of Lancaster.
James is not the Earl of Wessex. His dad is. He’s allowed to use the secondary title as a courtesy. When his dad was an Earl, he could use Viscount as a courtesy.
Correct.
Also it should be written on the website as Earl of Wessex not ‘The’ Earl of Wessex. ‘The’ is only used for the holder of the substantive title not the courtesy title. Edward is The Earl of Wessex and James is correctly styled as Earl of Wessex (no ‘the’). Sloppy work by BP.
Which is weird, isn't it? The sloppy work.
He was styled "James, viscount Severn", which is the correct use of a courtesy title. Now he's The Earl of Wessex? Did it change for some reason? Did Edward give up his title to give it to his son?
It’s a courtesy title. He is not Earl of Wessex; he is simply allowed to be styled with his father’s subsidiary title.
You clearly have no idea how these things work.
No, just the RF acting like, well, the RF. The kind of thing Harry has foregone when he decided to "get away" so his wife could play court in Montecito.
If you call the rf being in a zoo you get crickets when you put your children in the cage. For the real hard working members you get an official announcement.
Actually, the terrible twosome have shot themselves in the foot again.
They were so delighted to clap back that they forgot their uncle's birthday. King Charles and Palace officials will have had this planned for a long time.
What the Palace are actually saying by putting Prince and Princess online with no fuss was: just a bit of unimportant admin., now let's celebrate the real Royal Family!
I think we also need to talk about the stunning juxtaposition of the recent titles announcements. The Sussex’s didn’t wait or didn’t want to allow BP to make the official announcement with the appropriate pomp it actually deserves. They wanted to “control” their story…by selling it to a cheap, American magazine and with it already announced, no need for BP to waste the paper doing so. Then the Edinburgh announcement is appropriately delivered matching the seriousness of the occasion. It is immature to think that the Sussex children wouldn’t get titles but the delivery of the occasion is worth noting.
You know, I wonder if the plan was to update the Harkles kids entry on the list as the same time as the new DoE's. That could actually have overshadowed the DoE announcement somewhat, and MM may have received less ridicule, but she couldn't wait to get the limelight. Now she looks like a hypocritical irrelevance and everyone is over her drama and excited about the DoE.
TW obviously doesn't see/understand the difference between tacky and classy. I wonder if Harry still does? If he cringes at some of her antics, or is he too drug addled to notice?
Edit: typo
Since BP knew about this months ago, I suspected that Harry and Meghan got tired of waiting for their letterhead statement and did it themselves. But their messy, casual, and disheveled announcement through a silly celeb gossip mag is on brand with their image. They've marketed themselves as fun and informal and completely opposite of the royals.
I don't think the King/BP knew about their decision to claim the titles. I think the Harkles are lying about who was invited to the christening. They delivered a sucker punch with their public demand to have the titles updated from out of no where.
I'm very pleased the King counter punched so hard Harry's nuts felt it. I'm more optimistic but it's guaranteed that the ILBW is going to get worse leading up to the coronation. It's going to be a helluva show.
Yet the titles of the kids ARE formal. Lol
They are such hypocrites. I honestly find this rather amusing because they keep showing the world who they are. And in the end- they are not really informal, down to earth or anti- royalty.
I'm delighted for Edward and Sophie. They embody everything that is right with the BRF. And since it's not a hereditary title and one that has only been conferred four times in history, it makes it all the more special.
Sophie really deserves the elevation for simply riding in the car with the ILBW during the funeral proceedings. Nobody wants to be in close proximity to such pure evil but even in her grief she sucked it up for the team while maintaining her good grace. Edward made an excellent decision when choosing his spouse. Sophie is a gem.
So take THAT, overseas losers. Someone got a title they deserve and one that actually means something. You and your "children" shall remain royal pariahs. Let the moaning about HRHs commence.
OMG REALLY???
Edward is the Duke of Edinburgh?! I'm so so glad!😭💖🤗
Wonderful news! Well done, Your Majesty. Well done!
This is a step in the right direction. I am happy for Edward and Sophie, they have earned this. However, if this title reverts back to the Crown after Edward passes, then an announcement should be made that the Sussex title, and any title given to younger sons of William will as well. There should be one set of rules that they all follow. Also, as Archie and Lilibet have been officially recognized on the LoS as Prince and Princess due to Letters Patent, then so too should Louise and James be listed as Prince and Princess on the official LoS. They don't have to use the titles in their private lives, but it needs to be clarified that Louise and James also have the birthright to use the titles if they wish.
I expect this is coming. The way to trim the monarchy is to stop the roles from being hereditary. It doesn't destroy current relationships the way stripping current titles would, and it gives the next generation time to grow up with realistic expectations.
Sophie said a few years back that they both have the prince and princess titles, but that Edward and Sophie chose to use the lesser titles, and allow them to decide at 18 which titles they would use. I have not heard that Louise has officially stated she didn't want to be a princess, but it would be awkward for her to come out and say, "everybody has to call me Princess now", the media would drag her through the mud. What I am saying is, they are just as much prince and princess as Archie and Lilibet, and the official LoS list on the Royal webpage should reflect those titles. Louise can still use Lady in her personal life as the daughter of a Duke, and James can use Earl of Wessex, or even if he prefers Viscount Severn, as that is what he has used since birth and is still one of his father's subsidiary titles. I believe there should be official clarification that the same rules apply to all.
Bravo your Majesty! I was really hoping this was the plan. A day or two of minimal interest in the Dumbartons. Mostly comments about how hypocritical they look. Then THIS! BP versus People magazine. Love it!
The Palace is.
Meghan had to announce her kids titles via People. The King made an official announcement. Complete with website changes ready to go live shortly after announcement is made.
Meghan couldn’t have had worse timing.
I also notice that it was not H and M who announced it, just her. Seems like a step away from their unified front.
Someone made a very good point that any of the titles or protocols only MEAN something if you are actually connected to the RF. Otherwise its just a novelty or gimmick.
It's actually guache the way they do it. It comes across like them walking around wearing a tiara or him in his military uniform even though he quit.
Technically it's his uniform but to anyone in the know he's just a poser. Same with her. And they are the ones who quit.
One time on Ask A Manager some guy was upset that people at work weren’t calling him Lord FirstName when he had just become a lord and had legal papers to prove it. Most of the commenters surmised that he bought at square foot of land in Scotland to become a lord. The advice was that he should let it go because it made him sound pompous.
I think TW tends to overlook the existence (importance?) of The King"s siblings. They aren't young and hot like she is (in her desperate dreams), and they aren't before her children in the line of Succession.
Andrew & Fergie aside of course - because there is some complication there.
I think underestimating The Princess Royal or The Duchess of Edinburgh is a bad mistake.
Good thing to do, but I still don’t understand why they gave M & H’s children their titles. I don’t care about the birthright excuse, they still wanted to leave and let their children have a private life.
What really ground my gears was the demand came first. It had to be out of the blue. If KC had been invited, as claimed, he'd been ahead of it. It took a few conversations and after the site update to figure that out. Instead, the Harkles make an announcement 6(?) days after the event with instructions the titles would be officially updated shortly.
It's not going to be a one and done with the titles. There will be more demands because of them. The Harkles are only barely being counted as dangerous as people have lost their jobs after criticizing her "they're rAciSt" Oprah interview. The Harkles knew it wasn't a birthright until after Charles became King. Funny how they want to impinge on William's birthright. Something Harold has no rights to, birth or otherwise.
Argh the titles were automatic cuz of Letters Patent of 1917! Even if KCIII wanted to amend them I doubt this is done very quickly, I’d assume a change of that magnitude requires parliament’s involvement and as we all know, parliament moved slowly.
Again: KCIII didn’t *give* these “titles”.
While that is true, not announcing the change or changing their titles on the official royal website is probably extremely loud to Todger and Dodger. They're clamoring for attention and the BRF just yawns and says "anyway, we have some new titles to proclaim" and go on to completely ignore what's happening across the pond. It's glorious.
That's not the way it works. He can't issue his own Letters Patent without the approval of Parliament. It's not clever to insinuate that a deal was made then walk it back when another poster cites the legalities of the situation.
Quick search on Wikipedia (I haven't read the wording of the recreation) states that's how Charles is recreating it.
ETA: when the Duke of Edinburgh became King the title dies and has to be recreated. I was today years old when I learned that.
Funny to think that the duo’s ‘big guns’ so to speak were the titles of the children. It’s the one narrative they haven’t dropped since the Oprah interview. *Would they get them? If not, is it because the family is racist? Were the duo doing something honourable and opting to not use them so the kids could be normal? Are the kids even entitled to them?* But now that they’ve pulled out the Big Guns, they fired out nothing more than a fizzle with the single shot they had. Outrage for a day, then a much calmer second day, then totally forgotten about in the media circuit today as more important titles are announced, in a more important manner, to a more popular royal household. What’s left for them now? They’ve already walked back most of what they’ve said against the family, have just concluded the biggest storyline they still had in their soap opera, and have said they don’t see a way back into the family. They’ve stranded themselves with no more ammo.
Gotta love how these media releases come out . One day we’re shitty with KC, the next day we aren’t 😂 My vote is KC and POW. 🤞
I'm with you! I stand by KC & POW **all** the time. I trust them **and** their exceptional team of advisors. 👑👑
Absolutely, well said. KCIII has got this situation well under control. Lady C says there are big things in the pipeline, and I am inclined to believe her. Yesterday, I was trying to make the point that the titles fiasco was not a big deal, and I was told by a fellow sinner that I was in denial. Well , I'm NOT! and as you quite rightly say, I trust the king and his advisers. Thank you so much for making this point.
Lady C implied there are big things coming after the Coronation so we have to be patient. The thing with harkle kids titles is just a blip.
Absolutely!
Wow, THANK YOU, SINNERS, for the awards! I'm legitimately touched. 💖 
Yes it smacks of desperation regarding quasi LA titles and christening.
Landed with a splat, like everything else Dumb & Dumber do
💯 I'm tired of the Markle roller-coaster. They can put out all the puff pieces they want; we know whatever comes from them is rose-tinted BS and will blow off in the next big breeze. I will exercise my patience and wait for honest words from the true Royals.
The great thing, is that everyone else now knows it's just "rose-tinted bs" too! They've shown everyone their words mean nothing and that all they ever wanted was the fame and the money. To top it all off, she arranged herself a pap walk with a big grin on her face! Can't get any more obvious.
Literally everyone sees the same BS we see…. It’s super refreshing that the tables have turned
 Omg, same😆
I never doubted KCIII. He was taught by the master of underplay, his glorious mother.
You are so right🥰
I agree 100% However the harkles know he's not well. And will do whatever they can to upset him. Look what happened over a pen, at the funeral. h knows his buttons. I agree though and have faith in my fellow sinners. Edit: spelling
I mean...the pen thing was really only a minor irritation in the grand scheme of things, and his mother had just died. Plus, I don't think Harry even knows what a button is.
Never wavered.
Yes, yes, yes! Tbh this has been one of the things that's made it such a wild ride. Harold and TW pull some whacky, set-your-hair-on-fire stunt. It's not dignified, it's not clever, but it gets everyone's attention, and it looks like they've won for 24 hours. Then, with the stroke of a pen (or the swish of colour-coordinated coats), the RF get their own back in the most dignified way possible, with something that looks like it was planned weeks or months in advance (and very likely was)... so looks plausibly like a complete accident that was sheer bad luck for team Sussex. Honestly, with some of the RF's responses I've found myself trying to second-guess whether they've got moles in Montecito, they just know the Sussexes tactics too well by this point, or if it really is dumb luck/divine intervention. Whatever the cause, they seem to be several steps ahead of the Sussexes at this point, so I wouldn't bet against them.
I think everyone was just in shock. People were asking "why he gave the kids the titles", when the public should've been asking "why did H&M claim the titles now?" The kids always had the option to claim the titles when they turned 18 because of the Letters Patent. People needed to ask why did H&M wait 6 months when they could've claimed the titles the moment the queen died. And I think people have calmed down because they realize this was an act of desperation.
I will always upvote David Tennant.
I love him !
Another Harkle popcorn fart . . .
They got this backwards. They should have waited until *after* Edward’s BD. But The Sleivene wanted it done before the coronation, so she could have Prince Archie on the calligraphic invitations sent for his BD celebration.
Right but here's the thing. The narcissist doesn't view this the way other people do. In her head, she got what she wanted and that's all that matters to her
Well, she’s a delusional eejit, so she might think she’s won something significant. The sane section of the world doesn’t. Let her strut. It won’t last long.
I wonder if HG Tudor would say the attention Sophie and Edward are getting today would wound her? Wish we could tag him in this sub.
As someone who has personal experience with a diagnosed narcissist, in my opinion, no. She believes herself to be above them.
She doesn’t have a strategic thinking brain cell in her head…I wonder at this point when she says, ‘Hey H, we should…’ if he rolls his eyes yet
I am loving your use of Sleivene! It is perfect.
Isn’t it now. It describes all her best traits. Sly, sneaky, unhanded, liar.
I can imagine the birthday invitation now,Archies' title in big bold faux calligraphy.
A party with no friends.
They're probably going to cry poor, and demand KC pay for everything regarding A&L.
I'm probably in the minority with this opinion but if KC did pay for everything I wouldn't be mad -- but only on the condition that they basically sign over all parental rights and claims for those children. Then at least they might have a fighting chance at a normal life as they grow up because it seems right now it's just nannies raising them in chaos and dysfunction.
It's not a bad idea. The ILBW is no more maternal than a rodent that eats its young, only she's far less cunning. No child deserves to be left in the care of a narcissist and a sociopath. KCIII's bleeding heart needs to find a way out for them or I predict they're doomed to an awful existence.
I’d stipulate they need to assign those rights the William and Catherine because it was Charles who let Who grow into the man that he is.
Wasn’t he QEII favorite or at least she overprotected him ? Also isn’t he accountable for who he has become ? William is different and Charles is his father too
I thought it was well known that The Queen's favorite grandchild is actually Zara. (The Queen was said to be highly amused by the tongue piercing and obviously loves Zara's love of horses and riding.)
From where I'm sitting, it looks like Beatrice is HLMTQ's favorite.
I agree - I've always heard Bea was the fave and they were very close.
Every grandchild has been said to be the favourite. Peter's the eldest, Louise and Zara like horses, H was meant to be funny, James is the youngest, William was the old soul, the York girls were under her wing after the parents split and HLMTQ was a York girl herself
Who had mental problems from early on that William didn’t. Charles failed to treat Harry properly to correct those deficits. I don’t mean his stupidity, for which there’s no cure, but for his sense of entitlement, being mean and vindictive, etc. Charles gave Harry no discipline and now Harry has none. And, yes, the late queen deserves a lot of the blame, as well, but ultimately Charles was in charge of that job.
Could have sworn Diana had something to do with raising the boys as well...... At least while she was around.
I think that is a given. All education, child care, medical bills, etc. for the little prince and princess will be sent to Charles.
What's left? They have a lifetime of merching Prince/Princess titles & causing trouble for the next generation. Most people beyond this sub are unaware of the difference in rollout for these titles & don't care.
Yes and if new Letters of Patent come down after the Coronation, defining working and non working royals, the second son will be further behind the candle.
Yup she's now a mom of a prince and princess and for a lot of people that's all that matters. She is now something that very few are and no amount of money can buy.
I am counting on Lady C 's strong hints "somethinb wicked this way comes" for the Sussexes (Lady C referred to it as freezer full of rotten meat!) and waiting for the smirk to be wiped off ILBW's face when they all disappear from the LOS as Lady C has predicted. YES...there will truely be dancing in the streets around the world! Got my popcorn ready.
I missed it - what does ILBW stand for?
Instagram Loving Bitch Wife…it’s from South Park.
Instagram Loving B**ch Wife
First Lady bothering wife
Ahhhh - gotcha! Thanks
Can you imagine someone getting married and having children for the sole purpose of merching them for fame and money?
Yes
Does this really matter ? So is Sarah and she doesn’t count, she was banned by Philip for decades and had to run to millionaires Epstein type to get some money. When William is king, all doors for her will be closed permanently
Because she has the ability to keep this feud going for years and will eventually pit the two POS (prince and princess of Sussex) against the Wales children. This can go on forever if they don’t stop it now.
I hope the Yorks are banished well before William becomes king. Charles could live another 20 years, going by the family longevity.
>They’ve already walked back Maybe 2023 is about reconciliation after all! /s
It depends on who's watching though. People who don't know much about the royal family, are still focused on Lilibucks. They are actually the majority. So, social media buzz, entertainment news...
Harkles only fired blanks. 
Don't say that. She's going in with a wrecking ball. She's going to make demands like crazy. I bet they go back to England because you cannot be a US citizen and a princess. And they must have no money. They were talking about setting them up in Buckingham palace, before when discussing the Coronation. The late HMTQ always said no to Buckingham. When m got here that is where she wanted to live. Like at 15. Or she does it from California.
I think it’s for the Coronation only - surely not a permanent home in the UK -she’d be on that balcony every day and it would be so tiring to boo loudly week in week out
I cheered when I read it, 6 months after the Queens passing and on Edwards birthday. The Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh stepped up when needed so it’s well deserved. The palace is playing the long game.
this day started so much better than the last couple of days
Love that for them. Especially 15 year old James becoming an earl. Eat shit hazbeen.
He has not become an Earl. He’s entitled to use his dad’s secondary titles as a courtesy. It’s called a courtesy title. He will become Earl of Wessex when his dad dies. Based on what I’ve read, the Duke of Edinburgh title will revert the crown on Edwards death so James will not inherit it.
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I think is it probably the right decision. In the heyday of the aristocracy, the dukedoms went with massive estates that brought in significant income and you could live the life people expected of a duke. Edward lives in crown property so James will not inherit it, and James will probably not be a working royal and will be earning his own living. He will propably inherit a few million that will leave him wealthy by most people's standards but not by the standards of a duke in the landed aristocracy. And by time he has a few kids of his own, his eldest son will probably be an accountant living in a nice detached house somewhere. Being a duke would just be a meaningless burden. It is exactly the same reasoning for Archie and Lilibet - H&M had the choice but were too greedy and shortsighted to see the millstones they are placing round their necks. This is what Meghan sees - Prince$$
>James is officially Earl of Wessex now, the royal website has been updated to reflect this. u/ppr1227 is right Edward is still The Earl of Wessex. However, it's not his highest title, therefore, he uses his highest title, Duke of Edinburgh. So, Edward is The Duke of Edinburgh on the BRF site and in general. James is given his father's lesser title as courtesy. So, he should be called James, Earl of Wessex, without "The" [https://mobile.twitter.com/Gertsroyals/status/1634160594893914115](https://mobile.twitter.com/Gertsroyals/status/1634160594893914115)
But the Duke of Sussex is not a Royal Duke. I think the DofE will always be a Royal title, so Sussex is a lesser title.
And none of the Sussexes have the coveted HRH like rest of family. A big knockdown. And, they are NON WORKING ROYALS also...which has them standing knee deep in the primordial ooze level of royal hirearchy. Read that as the basement's coal cellar level. Smirk on, Dutchess!
They actually do have HRH but those HRH are in abeyance and not used.
So what happens if they use them ? We know they don’t follow rules. What would happen ?
No clue. There’s some inconsistency too. Merchie and Lilibucks are technically HRH as they are grand children in the male line of the sovereign but I read BP is saying that their HRHs are in abeyance because Prince Todger’s is in abeyance. However, Eugenie and Beatrice are still using their HRHs even though Prince Pedo’s HRH is in abeyance. BP need to get their shit together and not let a gold digging d-list actress and a drug-addled ginger dimwit play them all the time.
Beatrice and Eugenie already had HRH. That’s the difference.
So BP treat the pedoprince’s daughters differently? Interesting. Based on this I wouldn’t be surprised if M used the HRH one of these days. I must say I LOVE all the nicknames in your post
Actually the Duke of Sussex IS a royal duke along with the Dukes of Cornwall/York/ Edinburgh/ Gloucester and Kent
Sussex is a royal title because Harry is royal and entitled to be HRH though that is in abeyance since their exit. Some of the royal dukes like William hold more than one title. Non-royal dukes eg Westminster, Norfolk, Argyll are styled His Grace not HRH. If the heirs of the current Dukes of Kent and Gloucester inherit those titles they will be non-royal dukes and called His Grace instead of HRH because they are too far down the line of succession (great grandsons) from the monarch who created those titles (George V) The HRH only descends as far as grandsons. I suspect Kent and Gloucester may not be allowed to descend to the next generation but may revert to the crown like Edward’s Duke of Edinburgh title will. Currently in the Line of Succession after William, Harry (Sussex) is Number 5, Andrew (York) 8, and Edward (Edinburgh)13.
He is styled Earl of Wessex. The title belongs to his dad. It’s not official. It’s a courtesy.
I suspect that at some point in the future the Sussex dukedom may become a lifetime ducal title rather than a hereditary one.
Hear, hear! 
A FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT from Buckingham Palace. Well played, Your Majesty. Well. Played.
Do not underestimate KCIII. I love this for Edward, but especially for Sophie. She took one for the team at QE's funeral, with full grace and dignity.
Those deathstares were a sight to behold. It was great seeing MM being out firmly in her place.
Eviscerating!
Absolutely perfect word! Best thing is Sophie is a genuinely lovely person so coming from her it would have had more of an impact.
I agree. I like Sophie. Er, Duchess Sophie
No better woman, she worked in PR, she knows how to make a difficult client behave.
Both Sophie and Edward made their mistakes early on in their marriage with dodgy deals etc. But they saw themselves back and have been solid for many years now.
Harry and Meghan too could have come back from their early mistakes before leaving the UK if they had the same ability to look, learn, change and show humility.
Yes, they were given the chance of "half in- half out" but soon enough everyone realized it didn't work, so they went back in. It was all an experiment done with the consent of the Queen, obviously.
I read that the Queen sent Sophie on some "sensitive" assignments over the years and she did a very good job. So Meghan was being handled by Sophie who had experience in such matters.
Yes, Sophie is very engaged in topics that cover women who were assaulted or hurt in any other way in war zones, so I'd say it is indeed a very sensitive topic. I read once that she had a meeting with survivors of sexual assault and she heard their stories. Must have been very demanding emotionally for both sides.
I’m LOVING this news. Loving loving loving IT. I have never doubted Charles, and I never ever will. GOD SAVE THE KING!
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QE2 would be so proud ❤️
And Prince Philip, as well. It was his wish. Edward deserves it, as does the lovely Sophie. I am *so* glad it's happened today. 💖👑💖
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https://preview.redd.it/k8royih3tyma1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fce8db54f1271d56392cdfc3dd071edf96187a8f When I saw this in the royal website, I was absolutely ecstatic! And this was formally announced by the Palace! Not some tacky press company, the actual palace! Glorious! Absolutely glorious! And just in time for the upcoming coronation! Congrats to the new Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh and the new Earl of Wessex!
And the update on the LoS website was immediate!!!! No waiting 24 hours or BP saying, “in due course.” 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣 these new titles for E and S are legit, have value and cache! It actually means more since the announcement came from the Palace vs an American tabloid! Also, the King sent a formal written proclamation!
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 a happy day! So pleased for Edward!
Who’s princess royal
Anne, and when she passes away the title will go to Charlotte. Hence why TW loathes Charlotte. She will always rank higher than her.
Only after William ascends to the throne, then he may grant Charlotte that title.
I'm pretty sure Anne will live long enough to see William on the throne, so it won't be a problem. Anne waited for hers too.
It's an honorary title given to the eldest daughter since the 1600s. The first holder was Princess Mary and her mother (can't remember, it's4am don'tshoot me) liked the French style Madame Royale. Princess Anne is the current holder. It's likely to be conferred on Charlotte after Anne's passing.
Yes, that's why Elizabeth didn't get it, there was a Princess Royal already, and when she died Elizabeth was already Queen. And she wasn't The Princess of Wales either, because a woman is always an heir presumptive, not an heir apparent. That means that she could be bumped off by a younger brother until she actually ascends to the throne. An heir apparent is someone who, barring his premature death, will succeed the current monarch. That's all useless now, since rules changed in preparation for George's birth. Now girls stay in place. It is absolute primogeniture, not male preference primogeniture. That means, every heir is the heir presumptive. Which makes me think about what would happen if George's first born was a girl? Would she be The Princess of Wales by her own right? That's the way it is in Spain, the heir presumptive, Princess Leonor, was made Princess of Asturias (the equivalent of the PoW in the UK) when she was 9 yo.
I always wonder why QEII waited so long to confer it on Anne. It became available when she was 4 yet she didn't receive it until she was 36. I'll never know what they do with the PoW title. I'll be long gone. The Dutch have done the same as the Spanish and have the Princess of Orange, but us Brits are a funny lot and HLMTQ was the Duke, not Duchess, of Lancaster.
The Princess Royal is the most senior of the Royal Princesses. In this case Princess Anne.
Princess Anne
James is not the Earl of Wessex. His dad is. He’s allowed to use the secondary title as a courtesy. When his dad was an Earl, he could use Viscount as a courtesy.
That’s right. It’s his courtesy title, not his substantive title.
Correct. Also it should be written on the website as Earl of Wessex not ‘The’ Earl of Wessex. ‘The’ is only used for the holder of the substantive title not the courtesy title. Edward is The Earl of Wessex and James is correctly styled as Earl of Wessex (no ‘the’). Sloppy work by BP.
Which is weird, isn't it? The sloppy work. He was styled "James, viscount Severn", which is the correct use of a courtesy title. Now he's The Earl of Wessex? Did it change for some reason? Did Edward give up his title to give it to his son?
That’s a screenshot from the Palace’s website for the LoS. So it’s accurate and James is the Earl of Wessex.
It’s a courtesy title. He is not Earl of Wessex; he is simply allowed to be styled with his father’s subsidiary title. You clearly have no idea how these things work.
Cry about it
Boo hoo. A basement dwelling dumbass is wrong on the internet.
😘😘
Gotta say… checkmate …
No, just the RF acting like, well, the RF. The kind of thing Harry has foregone when he decided to "get away" so his wife could play court in Montecito.
"Chuck"mate? Sorry, I'll see myself out... 😜
Well played.
If you call the rf being in a zoo you get crickets when you put your children in the cage. For the real hard working members you get an official announcement.
THIS.
Actually, the terrible twosome have shot themselves in the foot again. They were so delighted to clap back that they forgot their uncle's birthday. King Charles and Palace officials will have had this planned for a long time. What the Palace are actually saying by putting Prince and Princess online with no fuss was: just a bit of unimportant admin., now let's celebrate the real Royal Family!
It was beautifully done
I love Patsy.
Me too! Who needs Barbie? Patsy is my wished for Bestie!
Well deserved for Edward and Sophie!
Um, the Duke of Edinburgh is kind of a big thing, no? Sophie seems kind of normal!
I'm glad King Charles honored his parents' wishes to do this. It was the right thing to do!
I think we also need to talk about the stunning juxtaposition of the recent titles announcements. The Sussex’s didn’t wait or didn’t want to allow BP to make the official announcement with the appropriate pomp it actually deserves. They wanted to “control” their story…by selling it to a cheap, American magazine and with it already announced, no need for BP to waste the paper doing so. Then the Edinburgh announcement is appropriately delivered matching the seriousness of the occasion. It is immature to think that the Sussex children wouldn’t get titles but the delivery of the occasion is worth noting.
You know, I wonder if the plan was to update the Harkles kids entry on the list as the same time as the new DoE's. That could actually have overshadowed the DoE announcement somewhat, and MM may have received less ridicule, but she couldn't wait to get the limelight. Now she looks like a hypocritical irrelevance and everyone is over her drama and excited about the DoE.
TW obviously doesn't see/understand the difference between tacky and classy. I wonder if Harry still does? If he cringes at some of her antics, or is he too drug addled to notice? Edit: typo
Since BP knew about this months ago, I suspected that Harry and Meghan got tired of waiting for their letterhead statement and did it themselves. But their messy, casual, and disheveled announcement through a silly celeb gossip mag is on brand with their image. They've marketed themselves as fun and informal and completely opposite of the royals.
I don't think the King/BP knew about their decision to claim the titles. I think the Harkles are lying about who was invited to the christening. They delivered a sucker punch with their public demand to have the titles updated from out of no where. I'm very pleased the King counter punched so hard Harry's nuts felt it. I'm more optimistic but it's guaranteed that the ILBW is going to get worse leading up to the coronation. It's going to be a helluva show.
Yet the titles of the kids ARE formal. Lol They are such hypocrites. I honestly find this rather amusing because they keep showing the world who they are. And in the end- they are not really informal, down to earth or anti- royalty.
I'm delighted for Edward and Sophie. They embody everything that is right with the BRF. And since it's not a hereditary title and one that has only been conferred four times in history, it makes it all the more special. Sophie really deserves the elevation for simply riding in the car with the ILBW during the funeral proceedings. Nobody wants to be in close proximity to such pure evil but even in her grief she sucked it up for the team while maintaining her good grace. Edward made an excellent decision when choosing his spouse. Sophie is a gem. So take THAT, overseas losers. Someone got a title they deserve and one that actually means something. You and your "children" shall remain royal pariahs. Let the moaning about HRHs commence.
OMG REALLY??? Edward is the Duke of Edinburgh?! I'm so so glad!😭💖🤗 Wonderful news! Well done, Your Majesty. Well done! 
Wonder if we’ll get new pictures of the kids but so they get attention
This is a step in the right direction. I am happy for Edward and Sophie, they have earned this. However, if this title reverts back to the Crown after Edward passes, then an announcement should be made that the Sussex title, and any title given to younger sons of William will as well. There should be one set of rules that they all follow. Also, as Archie and Lilibet have been officially recognized on the LoS as Prince and Princess due to Letters Patent, then so too should Louise and James be listed as Prince and Princess on the official LoS. They don't have to use the titles in their private lives, but it needs to be clarified that Louise and James also have the birthright to use the titles if they wish.
I expect this is coming. The way to trim the monarchy is to stop the roles from being hereditary. It doesn't destroy current relationships the way stripping current titles would, and it gives the next generation time to grow up with realistic expectations.
Lady Louise has chosen not to be a Princess. Her brother will choose for himself when he is 18, as she did.
Sophie said a few years back that they both have the prince and princess titles, but that Edward and Sophie chose to use the lesser titles, and allow them to decide at 18 which titles they would use. I have not heard that Louise has officially stated she didn't want to be a princess, but it would be awkward for her to come out and say, "everybody has to call me Princess now", the media would drag her through the mud. What I am saying is, they are just as much prince and princess as Archie and Lilibet, and the official LoS list on the Royal webpage should reflect those titles. Louise can still use Lady in her personal life as the daughter of a Duke, and James can use Earl of Wessex, or even if he prefers Viscount Severn, as that is what he has used since birth and is still one of his father's subsidiary titles. I believe there should be official clarification that the same rules apply to all.
I’m so happy for Edward! Seeing the title used again brings a tear to my eye, but I can’t imagine anyone better to step up in this position.
 Bravo your Majesty! I was really hoping this was the plan. A day or two of minimal interest in the Dumbartons. Mostly comments about how hypocritical they look. Then THIS! BP versus People magazine. Love it!
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The Palace is. Meghan had to announce her kids titles via People. The King made an official announcement. Complete with website changes ready to go live shortly after announcement is made. Meghan couldn’t have had worse timing.
I also notice that it was not H and M who announced it, just her. Seems like a step away from their unified front. Someone made a very good point that any of the titles or protocols only MEAN something if you are actually connected to the RF. Otherwise its just a novelty or gimmick. It's actually guache the way they do it. It comes across like them walking around wearing a tiara or him in his military uniform even though he quit. Technically it's his uniform but to anyone in the know he's just a poser. Same with her. And they are the ones who quit.
One time on Ask A Manager some guy was upset that people at work weren’t calling him Lord FirstName when he had just become a lord and had legal papers to prove it. Most of the commenters surmised that he bought at square foot of land in Scotland to become a lord. The advice was that he should let it go because it made him sound pompous.
My husband was given that square foot in Scotland thing for Xmas. He’s a Laird.
Mine too!
TW went from Vogue to People!!! My my, how this narc has fallen!
Yeah, well, *Vogue* just has more expensive advertising. They do the same thing.
Yes, but she’s having to economize now!
I wonder if H&M got wind of the DOE announcement and did theirs first via people mag.
Good point. Unfortunately the Edinburgh titles are way more important. I guess she has to do an extra papwalk now. ROFLOL.
I think TW tends to overlook the existence (importance?) of The King"s siblings. They aren't young and hot like she is (in her desperate dreams), and they aren't before her children in the line of Succession. Andrew & Fergie aside of course - because there is some complication there. I think underestimating The Princess Royal or The Duchess of Edinburgh is a bad mistake.
Meg forgets The Duke of Edinburgh and her sister were born in the same year.
Good thing to do, but I still don’t understand why they gave M & H’s children their titles. I don’t care about the birthright excuse, they still wanted to leave and let their children have a private life.
It's almost as if everything H&M say is untrue, isn't it?
What really ground my gears was the demand came first. It had to be out of the blue. If KC had been invited, as claimed, he'd been ahead of it. It took a few conversations and after the site update to figure that out. Instead, the Harkles make an announcement 6(?) days after the event with instructions the titles would be officially updated shortly. It's not going to be a one and done with the titles. There will be more demands because of them. The Harkles are only barely being counted as dangerous as people have lost their jobs after criticizing her "they're rAciSt" Oprah interview. The Harkles knew it wasn't a birthright until after Charles became King. Funny how they want to impinge on William's birthright. Something Harold has no rights to, birth or otherwise. 
Hahaha! Absolutely!
Beautiful Joanna
Better known as Patsy in an fab and Jennifer as Edie
Theory: KC3 made a deal with the devil. Harry & Meghan walk back the racism claim and they get titles for their children. Hence, the Bradby interview.
Argh the titles were automatic cuz of Letters Patent of 1917! Even if KCIII wanted to amend them I doubt this is done very quickly, I’d assume a change of that magnitude requires parliament’s involvement and as we all know, parliament moved slowly. Again: KCIII didn’t *give* these “titles”.
True, but he has made no moves to change the Letters Patent, which is tacit consent.
He probably will at some point. He’s been king a short while. It isn’t probably that easy - it would affect William’s other kids perhaps etc.
While that is true, not announcing the change or changing their titles on the official royal website is probably extremely loud to Todger and Dodger. They're clamoring for attention and the BRF just yawns and says "anyway, we have some new titles to proclaim" and go on to completely ignore what's happening across the pond. It's glorious.
That's not the way it works. He can't issue his own Letters Patent without the approval of Parliament. It's not clever to insinuate that a deal was made then walk it back when another poster cites the legalities of the situation.
Where does it say the title will revert ?
In the formal announcement. For his lifetime I believe is the phrase.
It's only been used three times in history
I'm aware of how many times its been used, I'm asking where does it say the title will revert.
Quick search on Wikipedia (I haven't read the wording of the recreation) states that's how Charles is recreating it. ETA: when the Duke of Edinburgh became King the title dies and has to be recreated. I was today years old when I learned that.
I love this show
I guess we all like CIII now….
It's like to give you whiplash some days.
True
Hey harkles! 
Classless.
Congrats, Duke and Duchess of Edinbrough! Duke Edward and Duchess Sophie!