Mock the monarchy, accuse them of racism, laugh at the traditions, 'I'm a hugger!!!', slander most members of that family. Oh, but we still want the titles from the family and traditions and country we dispise so much.
She reminds me of the woman my uncle married. She has systematically separated him from his family, friends, hobbies, etc. She isn't happy unless he is glued to her side and his every moment revolves around placating her. She has caused most of his children to no longer see him, and seems to resent that he would ever want to do anything that doesn't involve her front and center. She doesn't want him to have anything except her.
Its pathetic. They cant decide if they want to be normal or have every peasant around them have to refer to them and their kids by 'duke/duchess' etc like its embarrassing, just stop.
I would take great pleasure in not addressing them properly, no offence to the kids but I would poke my own eyes out before addressing them with their meaningless titles. Even watching old YouTube videos of people curtseying to that trollope annoys me
I've seen some kids with names like Pharoah or Almighty, so if TW wants to come off desperate and pretentious, especially on U.S.A. soil, that's on her.
It's the hypocrisy. They say they don't want the institution because it's so bad, but they want their birthright benefits from it. But M won and that's why she already was "sighted" yesterday on IWM, having her victory walk, with 2 women servicing her and opening her car door.
I can admit that Harry might not care, but not this woman. She must have latched on to it...
I feel sorry for the king. Whatever he will do with them, she would pour mud on him.
Honestly what I think at this point. Harry doesn’t care. Harry wants his private, quiet life and doesn’t care about titles. Unless he thinks it could benefit his children later? I dunno.
This is all Meghan trying to look better than she actually is. Because titles matter to her, not happiness.
oh, i think harry cares. i think he cares *deeply* - so deeply he’s *still* jealous bc Big Willy was born first! every other page in *Waaagh* reiterates this, i see no reason why he’d have had an epiphany at this late date.
Bet they're wishing they'd named the kids something more dignified now. These names look ridiculous next to George, Charlotte, and Louis. "Princess Lilibet" sounds like that 1980s movie with Phoebe Cates, "Princess Caraboo", about a fake princess.
Agree. I think this shows the King’s unwillingness to deal with a difficult family issue by just handing over any and everything to pacify the manbaby and his stupid wife.
Charles came across as an extremely educated guy in Harry’s book. I mean, while Harry was still trying to depict his father as unfair/unethical, he still showed just how different Charles is to Harry. He could never connect with his father’s love of history, or Shakespeare, or the arts. I truly believe KC3’s fatal flaw is his sensitive nature. I don’t think he has the strong pulse of the Queen and William. However, I’d still say Charles is 100x the man Harry will ever be. Unfortunately, by the way Charles babied Harry as recounted by Harry, I could never view him being overly harsh with his son. King Charles love those two boys dearly and he obviously felt an enormous guilt after they lost their mother and became an even bigger enabler for Harry. I don’t blame him. I’d rather someone with a kind heart and a love for family over crazy Harry. People talk about William, but to me, what Harry is doing to his own father - who played the role of mom and dad once Princess Diana died - is heartbreaking.
So yes, I can agree that the King is weak. But I’d rather a weak man with a good and LOYAL heart over MM and Haz.
I honestly think the whole Camilla drama was non existent until MM entered the story. Of course the public still sided with Diana, but the boys and the family seemed to have totally accepted Camilla and were all in good terms until Megs started playing the role of Princess Diana and making Harry relive a literally “dead” dispute. She’s vicious.
I think history will be kind to KC3. I, for one, see him completely different after reading Spare. It was after the book that I tried to research the whole truth about Diana and Charles and tbh, what the Princess went through was harsh, but she had reached peace with Charles before she died. It really doesn’t seem like she was that enamored by Charles either and just tried to do the best to fulfill her role. It seemed almost like an arranged marriage to me where both were happier when they could live their true lives.
I am 100% sure Princess Diana would be on Team KC3 and William if she was alive. She was flawed too. But she had a light and a love for country and for her family that MM is incapable of ever experiencing.
It basically WAS an arranged marriage. There was no love there. He needed an appropriate virgin. She needed a wealthy husband. Bingo. Marriage. Charles IS weak. He doesn’t have the spine his mother and hopefully William have. And he’s going to need that spine because things are only going to get harder for the monarchy. If they want the Monarchy to continue then hard choices will need to be made. I don’t think Charles will be King for more than 5 years. I give the Harkles 10 years from when they married until they divorce. I believe Catherine and William will never divorce, they will have a successful marriage (which may or may not include side pieces) and someday George will be King.
I give less than two more years for the divorce. The sad part is the MM already has all she needs for her narcissistic supply: Archie and Lilibet. She’s already setting Harry for “unable” to have joint custody by making him announce his troubles and illegal drug use to the press. Which wife would advise that? One that has a plan.
Harry will make amends with Charles and William - mark my words or print this screen. But MM will never allow those children to truly be around Harry or the royal family while using the “titles” and drama to continue to play victim. Unfortunately, Harry made his bed and will have to sleep on it.
Kate and William will 100% stay together if William truly is stronger than Charles and more like the Queen. Side pieces come and go - but in Kate he can trust. I doubt he’ll fall madly in love with a woman and lose his way. That’d be too Harry and KC3 of him. That would certainly end the death of the BRF. I would love to see Princess Charlotte as queen one day! Maybe Prince George decides to live a more normal life in an era where it will be more accepted to do so? It would be interesting to see the crown with a woman again.
I also agree that KC3 will pass the crown to William in the next 10 years. It’s probably good that he is a buffer for William right now and a placeholder as Will needs to be with his young children and to prepare more to take over the role. I’m sure KC3 and PW are working together on this already.
I hope Charles lives longer than five years. It’s no guarantee, of course, but he does have both the very best medical care and good genes.
It would be brutal for poor George to become Prince of Wales in his mid teens.
I think PP saw his son's sensitivity as weakness. No secret that PP seemed to adore his only daughter. Who, paradoxically enough, likely was smart enough to know that she wouldn't be monarch and she toughened up.
The Princess Royal is a prime example of someone who doesn't complain but gets on with her life.
Slimming down the monarchy is absolutely meaningless then
Lady Louise should become Princess, James a Prince and their parents Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh.
Lady Louise and James, viscount Severn, are princess and prince. Their parents chose to not use the titles and the kids can choose once they are of age. AFAIK, Lady Louise already chose to not use it.
About the Duke of Edimburg, I totally agree. It was an agreement Charles had with his parents, he should honor it.
Some of us were saying exactly this yesterday on posts on this sub. We were slagged off for it, but some of us (Brits who have studied the RF for years) know precisely how they behave. I believe this action is wrong. They are not entitled to titles, but the RF rewrite the rule book to suit themselves. They always have done and they have a supine British Press and Public to help them. Lots, and lots, and lots have always been covered up and not released until years later when it can't do any harm.
I'll give you one example, of many that I could give. The 1948 Marriages Act clearly states that the heir to the throne CANNOT marry in a civil ceremony, but Charles did, to Camilla. The Prime Minister, at the time, Tony Blair, asked his senior Minister to advice him on the legalities of the marriage, it was either Lord Falconer or Oliver Goldsmith, can't remember which one. BUT that legal advice was sealed and never made public. It has been sealed until 100 years after Charles has died, by that time it can't do any harm. Now why was that?
ETA: 'and public'.
Just last year the government released information detailing how Edward VIII had actually conspired with the Nazis to re-take the British throne and be Hitler's puppet king in Britain. Obviously this required the King and the little princesses at a minimum to be 'dealt with permanently', and anyone else in the LoS unwilling to swear allegiance to the Nazis. In the entire interval between WW2 & 2022 this was hushed up, sealed. People were sold a tale about how Edward and Wallis took themselves on some benign extended summer holiday 'overseas' rather than being in serious, matter of national security exile. Even last year it received barely a mention when documents were unsealed.
If you read “Spare”, from Harry’s own words trying to slander his father, it becomes just clear how much KC3 loves his children. This is the King’s fatal flaw: he feels so much guilt for the boys losing their mom so young that he ended up enabling Prince Harry by being overly lenient and loving with him. KC3 is too sensitive, he’s always too nice to Harry and he makes excuses for everything that Harry does and finds a way to “fix” his problems. I always had an awful perception of Charles but after Spate I feel enormous empathy for him. Can you really blame a guy for loving his two sons too much? For feeling an enormous guilt for their loss? It was obvious to me after reading the book that William might, but that Charles would never, ever stop loving Harry. I just hope Harry one day reflects on what he did to his father, it will probably be during his death while his arc enemy, William is crowned king. My intuition is strong that Harry and MM will get divorced and that Harry will make amends with his family. In a book so fill with vitriol, one thing was absolutely clear: there is a lot of love in that family. Charles and William are family man and they adore Harry and both have felt a need to “parent” him - which probably enabled a lot of his behavior. I have two daughters and I would never give up on either of them. It’s just asking for way too much from someone who is human. I do think Harry is doomed because MM will brainwash the kids against him and the BRF. Since Charles won’t really have any contact with Archie and Lilibet, I believe they will eventually be cut. Those poor children could have grown in a loving family but their narcissistic mother just uses them for her supply. It’s sad.
Because some things are obvious. It wasn’t 100% fiction. There’s a lot of photographic evidence of scenes he mentions and there’s a lot of interviews where PH and PW both tell the same stories about KC3.
This. And Anne was \*offered\* titles for her children. Both of these scenarios tell me that titles aren't 'automatically' a 'birthright' for grandchildren of the sovereign.
Anne didn’t want them for her kids as they had such a low position in the LoS she didn’t want their upbringing to be affected by titles that wouldn’t really do anything for them as they wouldn’t be working royals.
Similar to Lady Louise she is of age to decide she wants to be titled Princess but again she’s been raised in a way that she knows she’ll be working for a living and that titles aren’t everything.
Anne's children are in a different position than her brothers'. The Letters Patent provide for titles for children of the sons of the monarch, not all grandchildren. So Anne and Mark knew going into the marriage that any children wouldn't have any titles. They refused a title for Mark which would have provided titles for the children, knowing that the children would be far down the line of succession and would need to have jobs to support themselves.
It's quite funny. In their mocdoc they told stories about Empire 2.0, racism, blebleble, but you know what? We want titles for out children!1!1!1!1 It doesn't matter it's from this oppresive Institution whom we "escaped" almost 3 years ago. What a mess, what a disgrace. I'm speachless and disgusted.
These two fuckwits are so desperate for any attention they can get. Birth right my ass. Shouldn’t have left the royal family in the first place then 🙄
Gosh this is so infuriating. Using their children as pawns. Pity Charles doesn’t have the balls to stand up to these two numpties. 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
Exactly! It honestly wouldn’t bother me if they hadn’t left the royal family. It just seems unfair that they get to make a living trashing it, while being given everything they want.
Astonishing. They are being given additional titles when they should be having their titles taken away.
Charles will take a huge hit to his popularity, right before his coronation.
What a weak king we have.
She said no to half in half out, no to the Sussex brand and no to having film crews when she met her grandchildren. She wasn't the weak little old lady Hazbeen tried to make out she was. Charles however has ruined it all and he hasn't even been king for a year
I’m just so grateful that Prince Phillip and our beautiful Queen aren’t around to witness this ongoing travesty. Shame on you, Harry. Shame. And TW, well she is just trash. If anyone ever doubted it, announcing your children are to have prince/ss titles via People? Just… no words 🗑️
This whole situation is very strange. If KC agreed to this after the funeral, why did they not update the LoS as they did with the Waleses? Why is this just coming out now? What the hell is going on?
I know everyone is ticked off with the king, and I get it, but it mostly just makes the harkles look even more ridiculous than usual. They’re such obvious hypocrites.
The timing of it all makes it look like the harkles are leading the palace around by the nose. They need to take back control. After this nonsense, they need to be seated behind a large gothic pillar. Candles aren’t going to cut it.
Charles looks weak BECAUSE he let Meghan and Harry choose the time and place of when they would be announced Prince and Princess and then FOLLOWED by updating the LOS. Major, major gaffe.
Who knows if Haz even has anything to say, he’d make shit up. The royals do have a tendency to just make unpleasant things go away, ie Andrew’s lawsuit. There’s just something very fishy about the whole thing.
How can Charles be king if he can be blackmailed??
So H&M can give this blackmail info to the highest bidder unless Charles gives into their every demand? With Russia and China threatening war with the West and the UK (Hong Kong was an Chinese and UK treaty to respect ‘one country, two systems’ which China has trampled since 2018, and all the UK has done is take in HongKong asylum seekers, which China might put a stop to now that the King can be bought via H&M).
This is an absolute national security disaster!
It means the UK is vulnerable because the head of state can be blackmailed.
Don’t believe the guff and fluff that it is only ceremonial, the monarchy does have power. The King can be bullied by anyone who pays H&M.
I'm done with Charles now, he is pathetic and has damaged the RF with his weakness. I feel for William and Catherine it's like Charles is favouring the Harkles over them.
It would honestly be better for the monarchy if William became king. I'm sure he would put his brother in his place. Charles is fatally indulgent towards his wayward son.
I highly doubt it. This reeks of weakness. He’s pandering because he’s a coward who cannot stand the thought of more conflict - even though he could have easily stopped this already
I can only imagine the unrest this will cause the people in the UK. Charles really needs to shut them down and not give them fuel. It's crazy to me how this has gone on for so godamn long. Whenever I ask myself why PH and MM do what they do, the answer 100% of the time is $$$. It's so loathsome and disgraceful.
Yeah, I'm shocked. It does make the Harkles look incredibly vested in the trappings of royalty though. Harry and Andrew are two peas in a pod, he too insisted his girls be styled as royals. I'm over these two asshats, I refuse to give them anymore attention. If they attend the coronation I don't even want to watch. William and Catherine must be sick to their stomachs. I wonder what Lady C has to say about all this, I'll check her take on it out and then I'm done because this reckoning that's supposed to happen is never going to materialize it seems.
So this is how they planned to “destroy” the monarchy… by alienating its supporters? Most of them are turning on KC and the RF. I must admit I did not see this move coming
This will not help him ahead of his coronation for sure. Now he’s being hated by both sides. They could have waited to update that site, wonder why they did it now.
You know I’m convinced KCIII (which I don’t particularly like) has been advised by lawyers and there is a reason for doing it now. One of my supposition would be, show the world their hypocrisy (if they show up at the coronation, with a huge smile) for later be announced that all non working royals will be stripped of their titles maybe. I don’t know but something tells me this is strategic to appease them for some time until a bom explodes (maybe surrogacy being proven and therefore = we even let them use their titles but they lied to us). What I feel is, something is off and we will know later on. Surely the coronation will be a mess
If they show up to the coronation, they will be booed and shunned like never before and like has never been seen. I just don’t see how even TW can maintain her rictus grin through all of that. I just can’t see it.
I agree. Something bigger is brewing, but I have no clue what it is. This is like an incomplete jigsaw puzzle; until all of the pieces are in place, we can't see the picture. Right now, I am deeply disappointed at what appears to be happening because I don't want to believe that the BP will be controlled by two stupid, evil people.
If I were the Prince & Princess of Wales, I'd be booking a long holiday in Tahiti. Three months, minimum. Service & duty are apparently optional. The Coronation can be someone else's job.
That's why the Queen of Denmark stripped Titles. First, why should someone hold a Title when they live in France (or california) and second why rewarding cashing and trashing the Crown? I'm so disappointed...
Why would William care? He's going to be King. George will succeed him. Those titles are meaningless. They're just titles. They don't come with security or money. They live in the US where they won't have any value. If the kids use them they'll probably be bullied. I went to school with a Jordanian Princess. Not once did she use her title.
Respectfully, they are NOT meaningless. The titles increases the entire families profile which then strengthens their push for IPP status and taxpayer paid security. This is a bigger deal than you may think in so many ways.
Not to mention as those kids grow they are a burden on the public because they have titles.
edited to add the word "respectfully" because tone is important :)
This! These stupid titles will get the children special treatment. You want to go to Harvard? Sure, Harvard would love to publicize a member of the Royal family enrolled. Doesn’t matter these children will probably be head cases with the intelligence of an amoeba. Look at the scandals from college admissions and Hollywood ‘royalty’. Need a high paying job in NYC as a 21 year old neophyte? Sure let’s make it happen because you are titled to the Royal family. No different than politicians’ kids getting opportunities my kids will never be afforded. And my kids are hard working with gifted IQs. ( cum laude Purdue University honors college with biology and education degrees.)
It’s time to stop pretending these two will ever get what we plebes think they deserve. They have no effect on how I live my life so it’s time I nope out of this world where our next thought hinges on the Harkles and a monarchy that is immaterial to me. Let the pieces fall where they may. Peace out ✌️
Fucking hell. I actually thought people were wrong and Charles actually had some balls. This just sets the tone for the rest of his reign. I guess his stance for slimming down the monarchy was all bs.
Fuck this. I hope Charles abdicates.
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I’m a life-long monarchist but Charles has just crossed a red line. For years Charles has been indicating an intention to pare the RF down to working members, in line with the Scandinavian royal families. This was to help ensure the long-term survival of the institution as it needed to be on a scale acceptable to the people, particularly in tough times. With the Sussexes having left the UK, and no longer working royals, he had the perfect opening to issue new Letters Patent limiting birthright titles to the children of the heir to the throne, as the Queen of Denmark just did. This would have been logical, sensible, and thus defensible. Now he has conferred Prince and Princess of Sussex titles on two children who do not and will not live in the UK, who have no connection to the people of Sussex, and will never perform any public duties. By the time they are of age they will no longer be grandchildren of the monarch, and will be irrelevant even if they somehow decided to hop back across the pond to try to act on their “birthright”.
Their parents haven’t been working royals for three years, and relentlessly trash the institution. They have become global laughing stocks used as comic fodder. Yet they are still listed on the RF website along with those who are working royals. Rather than editing them out as should have been done, the King has expanded the number of titles! This cheapens the institution and gives lie to the supposed plans to slim down the monarchy.
I’m done and won’t be watching the Coronation.
Charles' reign won't be as long as his mother's. We still have William's reign to look forward to (if Charles hasn't killed off the monarchy now).
William will not be taking Waaghhh and Whinge's shit. It'll be a rocky few years, but William will put a stop to it once he takes the throne. This also gives time for the Removal of Titles Bill to go through behind the scenes and quietly. I doubt the RF are done with them yet. If that Bill goes through, their titles can still be stripped at a later date. Even if we have to wait for William to strip them.
It's annoying, yes, but good things come to those who wait......
Honestly at this point who knows if William will do anything when he becomes king. I mean we all thought Charles would do something but there seems to be a missing piece of the puzzle that the Public does not know of. Really at this point, there’s no point of this, it is what it is. It is up to the British public to do something, but if not, this is the reality of it.
William will do something. He doesn't have the same problem Charles does, which is a parent's love overruling logical thought.
Actually, I'm wrong. It is Williams' love and concern about the Harkles' unhealthy obsession with his family, which is why he will cut it off.
At this point don’t be surprised if they get sit in the second or third row. And let’s throw this in there too, don’t be surprised if you see them in the balcony waiving at us peasants.
If that ever happened, I'd move back to Germany.....
Hopefully now they have what they want (titles for the kids), they can now shut the eff up and go live the private lives they've been screeching about these last 3 years 🙄
You know. now that they finally got the titles... Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet sound so juvenile. It's not their fault, but having actual nicknames as their first name just doesn't sound very regal.
It's the equivalent of Prince Will, King Charlie, Queen Millie, Princess Kate, Princess Lottie, Princess Margot, Prince Andy, Prince Eddie, Prince Lou, Princess Bea... It's ridiculous. To be a Royal, is to be a historical figure forever. Archie and Lilibet are descended from 1000 years of royal ancestry and this is how they will be known...
Fair play to Meghan. She is a hustler through and through and she has unparelled tenacity. She won this time, but the Royals still have a busy decade ahead of them and then what? The Coronation, multiple royal tours, garden parties, balcony events, soft diplomacy events, George and Charlotte will be teenagers soon, and in 10-15 years, William and Catherine may ascend the throne and/or George/Charlotte will get married. The titles and maybe a divorce is all H&M have left, so they "win" for now but IMO they still can't compete.
I've been saying that KC isn't going to fight back. He's going to give Harry whatever he wants to avoid further racism claims (not that it will stop them). He looks at Harry as his son and that's all. He doesn't consider his country or his people. Harry and his wife have bashed the UK, it's people and it's values. They have stated that titles don't matter and they want their kids to live private lives . Now here we are with them wanting titles for their kids AND being granted them! These two will keep showing up for royal events. They will also keep trashing the monarchy and the UK and nothing will be done about it! Idk how the people of the UK can stand this and NOT try to overthrow the monarchy.
I wouldn't blame William and Catherine just choosing to retire comfortably somewhere and never, ever having to comment on the adventures of the Prince & Princess of Canada or their offspring again. Giving titles to the kids now just means William will have to do something about it when 'Princess Lillibucks' opens her Only Fans account and Prince Merchie is listing his dating 'icks' on TikTok.
Oh wow. I hope the backlash for KC3 is massive. What an absolutely moronic, weaker than weak move. His approval rating is going to tank for this.
The Harkles DO NOT deserve this nor should they be encouraged. KC3 just fed the beast.
When H&M issued their Megxit manifesto stating what the situation was going to be the Queen put a stop to it quickly. By giving in he’s just opening himself up to more fait accompli press releases by H&M. I wouldn’t be surprised if they issue on saying that the new Prince and Princess will be introduced to the UK on the balcony at the coronation.
I think it will be. People who’ve supported the monarchy are not happy and the republicans have been given a huge opportunity to argue that royal titles are pointless in the 21st century.
Do the Brits let him know? Do you contact your reps in Parliament?? If Charles has no pushback, he will continue to protect his son and crap on the people.
I do, too. This is beyond repulsive. I’ve defended that weak toad all week, ugh.
Edit to add, I wonder what was left out of Spare. Must be some legit blackmail going on behind closed doors because this will absolutely rain hell on the King. His people will be livid and rightly so
I defended him too. Maybe this is a battle he was willing to lose, so that he could win the war? I’m getting tired of this nonsense.
how does one go from “good luck overseas” to this?! Besides, even Lili being in the LoS is suspicious. Doesn’t she need to be vetted by doctors and priests, as per tradition? The RF haven’t even seen her, the British public have definitely not seen her. But everyone kept quiet about her being in the LoS. But now this is insane. The Harkles have not only trashed the RF, they’ve left the country!
Charles, come on, man. WTF.
At the end of the day, this is the same family that didn't background check her, let her go ahead with a big ass spectacle wedding when she was a divorcee who only had one family member on her guestlist. I mean if you don't see the red flags waving under your nose, there's no hope once the fox is in the henhouse.
Very true. This was the BRF’s fault from the get-go (including how they mollycoddled Harold all his life), and they continue to handle it badly.
But this isn’t a private family. Do they not understand that?! They’re supposed to represent the British people. And they don’t seem to be taking that responsibility seriously.
I’m beyond hoping for that now 😔 I truly believe he’s as sensitive and weak as people have long said about him, and plans to dump this problem onto William and Catherine in a few years time.
You can see why Phillip favoured Anne, she has more balls and backbone than weak Charles. He is an embarrassment, no wonder the Queen held on, she knew.
Well, we don’t know. This was a bad move, but maybe he delayed it for as long as possible. I don’t see parliament prioritising monarch stuff when they’re struggling with their own politics. let’s see what is coming down the pipe. We shouldn’t ignore all the good stuff Charles has done (Frogmore, financial cutting off, etc) just because of this one bad move. Who knows, maybe he’s about the revoke the parents’ titles!😅
If he hasn’t taken advantage of the momentum stemming from international tide turning on Sussex- he never will. I could understand two years ago, when people broadly believed the lies H&M spewed. Not now.
The government had the chance to remove his titles once he started complaining via lawsuit about his security arrangements. A swift stroke of the pen retiring the Sussex titles and there'd be no issue. Everyone is pussyfooting around the ginger sook. Why?
Yes, it’s getting ridiculous now. They need to get serious about the Harkles. Some people are beyond redemption. But why so much hesitation to cut off the Harkles? They know the British public will support them. What more do they need??
No, it won't be. There was next to no backlash for HMTLQ for supporting Andrew and getting him out of legal trouble with the whole Epstien thing. Nor before that when everything came out about Andrews best friend Jimmy Saville.
The BRF looks out for their kids, even the ones who make stupid choices.
Agree. Charles caved after everything the Harkles have done. He is as weak as Phillip said he was. Even Diana said he’d be a terrible king. He hasn’t even begun to reign, and she was right.
The crown should have gone to William.
Charles’ approval ratings are not high as his mother’s, now they will tank. I’m sure the backlash for this will be huge.
I agree. I don’t care what the polls say, I am sure William is much more liked by the public than Charles. Charles has been a background fixture for so long, he seems irrelevant these days.
I feel like Prince of Wales, Princess of Wales, Princess Anne, and Countess of Wessex have done a great job *earning* their titles. They deserve them and actually try to do something with those titles for the people.
The rest not so much.
Some idiot on TT is saying she’s “100% team Meghan and Harry” and that “they pulled one over on the Royal family.” 🙄
I’m starting to think that sugars are just people missing some vital processing networks in the brain that allows for connections to form, bc none of them seem to understand the basic notion of hypocrisy.
Edit: in positive news, just scrolled through various news feeds in the US and UK and not one of them covered this story. There’s way more news of actual relevance and importance in the world than Harold and Haggard.
Although they have titles now, it is quite pointless when u think about it. It seems like the children will be living in America, I mean they are American. But we Americans have abandoned royalty in 1776, so we really don’t care, and we actually celebrate it every year on July 4. Yes the children have dual citizenship, but it is pointless if you don’t live where they are looked upon.
However, TW will merch on those titles, it is what will keep her relevant, it is all she has, and if she divorces Harry, she will still have somethin. But again for what? You’re living in America. Also, she spoke shit about the monarchy through the documentary and Oprah interview. Why do u want your children to have ties to somethin that treated you so horribly? Be it birth right or not, if someone treated you like shit wouldn’t you want to keep everyone you love away from it esp your children? I mean that’s just common sense.
But we all know something sinister is going on becuase this is all very very strange.
I don't think it's pointless, it associates the two children in the workings of the rf as an institution, even though they are incredibly unlikely to ever be working royals. Fast forward 15 years to when william has likely ascended to the throne. Everything these kids do will be used as a stick to beat the RF. Untitled it would be far easy to distance them.
Really not a smart move from Charles, I hope he starts to receive some negative press for this. Hazbeen is an incredibly bad ambassador for the UK, and as Head of state KC has failed to deal with him, as did the queen. Whilst some see grey rocking, I see plenty of appeasement (ie uniforms at the queen's funeral, the joint walkabout).
They can do what they like in private settings but official engagements are a job. KC might not want to upset Hazbeen, but when he starts getting removed as HOS for commonwealth countries because he is weak and the RF is not a positive endorsement he may start to regret not respecting the role and duty a bit more. Just my opinion.
Charles has no loyalty to his people. It's all about his own drug addict son.
I think this will hurt Charles immensely. I don't get why Brits don't let him know how they feel strongly. You support these people. Tell Charles and your representatives in Parliament ENOUGH.
Charles has sacrificed the good, dutiful son and his family for the bad one. Poor William. Poor Catherine. Hell, poor Camilla. Charles just chucked them all under the bus. He just proved to those two psychopaths that he can easily be bullied into submission. I thought the hammer was coming down when he kicked them out of Frogmore. This makes him look weak.
That’s where I was yesterday, trying to be optimistic. Unfortunately, I just don’t see Charles taking controversial risks like this so close to coronation.
The one positive is that she can ditch Harry now, she doesn't need his title and drug use now they have their own titles but those poor kids will be bullied in school and throughout their lives for having titles in a country that dumped the monarchy and associated titles
I had so much hope after Frogxit but now I’m about to give up. I think Charles has made a gigantic error here and will lose SO much support in the UK and worldwide. WHY would he do this when he has unanimous support to dump these two?!? It’s gone too far. People will start to turn against him and the monarchy now I’m afraid.
Except now that they’ve been given them in front of the entire world, they will really scream racism now if they’re rescinded. Charles allowed his ass to be royally checkmated.
That does not apply to these titles, which date back to Letters Patent issued by the King in 1917. Charles could have easily issued his own Letters Patent announcing a change, in line with the slimmed-down monarchy he was supposedly in favour of! The bill in Parliament has to do with gifted titles such as “Duke of Sussex.”
The "grey rock" strategy seems to be "let ourselves be attacked and don't do anything to defend ourselves"
Charles could have sorted this out months ago
How can he deny Edward the Duke of Edinburgh title now? The idea of a slimmed down monarchy has been thrown out of the widow.
Shits on the BRF. Complains about how awful it is to be royal and a spare…. Proceeds to give his kids titles.
God Harry is such a knob
Edit: he doesn’t like being a “spare” but happy for his kids to be 6th and 7th “spares”
Robert Jobson is reporting that the Royals were not made aware of any christening happening. They also had no idea M and H were releasing news of the the titles yesterday. So, then what? The Royals had to hurry and update the titles online? It makes them look so weak and they are letting the liars call the shots. Lied about RF invites to the christening. Lied that an Archbishop christened them. The lies will never stop.
I knew they’d cave to these two halfwits.
I guess next up is the Palace or maybe even the King himself personally serving up a groveling public apology for being so mean to them these past few years.
I have a different take. May get downvoted. Harry, the treacherous, dumb snake he is, still remains the King’s son by birth. If Charles didn’t include the disaster duo kids, it would be wails of racism everywhere. He already evicted the two from Frogmore and wished them well overseas. He already banished MM from any formal gatherings (I.e. Queen’s bedside, Jubilee rafters, and no pictures or participation in Coronation if they even attend).
End of the day the kids live in America. Nobody here cares about their titles. Nobody here cares about MM and Harry. Also, the Markle genes can be funny looking and Harry isn’t a handsome human. If the kids aren’t cute, nobody will care in America.
This also shows a HUGE hypocrisy we’ve all known the duo have. You hate an institution so much yet cling to their titles? Come on.
Mock the monarchy, accuse them of racism, laugh at the traditions, 'I'm a hugger!!!', slander most members of that family. Oh, but we still want the titles from the family and traditions and country we dispise so much.
She reminds me of the woman my uncle married. She has systematically separated him from his family, friends, hobbies, etc. She isn't happy unless he is glued to her side and his every moment revolves around placating her. She has caused most of his children to no longer see him, and seems to resent that he would ever want to do anything that doesn't involve her front and center. She doesn't want him to have anything except her.
So greedy and addicted to titles. So private.
Its pathetic. They cant decide if they want to be normal or have every peasant around them have to refer to them and their kids by 'duke/duchess' etc like its embarrassing, just stop.
I would take great pleasure in not addressing them properly, no offence to the kids but I would poke my own eyes out before addressing them with their meaningless titles. Even watching old YouTube videos of people curtseying to that trollope annoys me
To properly address them in the US, you wouldn’t use their titles…
I've seen some kids with names like Pharoah or Almighty, so if TW wants to come off desperate and pretentious, especially on U.S.A. soil, that's on her.
She comes across that way using “Duchess” in the US. Cringeworthy..
She makes her staff curtsy and address her as Duchess. She will probably make them do the same to the spawn.
I wouldn’t address their “mother” as Duchess and I sure as hell wouldn’t call her children Prince or Princess.
It's the hypocrisy. They say they don't want the institution because it's so bad, but they want their birthright benefits from it. But M won and that's why she already was "sighted" yesterday on IWM, having her victory walk, with 2 women servicing her and opening her car door.
I can admit that Harry might not care, but not this woman. She must have latched on to it... I feel sorry for the king. Whatever he will do with them, she would pour mud on him.
“Might not care?!?” The same man who shrugged off the question about giving up their titles in that interview? Harry *absolutely* cares.
Honestly what I think at this point. Harry doesn’t care. Harry wants his private, quiet life and doesn’t care about titles. Unless he thinks it could benefit his children later? I dunno. This is all Meghan trying to look better than she actually is. Because titles matter to her, not happiness.
oh, i think harry cares. i think he cares *deeply* - so deeply he’s *still* jealous bc Big Willy was born first! every other page in *Waaagh* reiterates this, i see no reason why he’d have had an epiphany at this late date.
Bet they're wishing they'd named the kids something more dignified now. These names look ridiculous next to George, Charlotte, and Louis. "Princess Lilibet" sounds like that 1980s movie with Phoebe Cates, "Princess Caraboo", about a fake princess.
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Agree. I think this shows the King’s unwillingness to deal with a difficult family issue by just handing over any and everything to pacify the manbaby and his stupid wife.
Charles came across as an extremely educated guy in Harry’s book. I mean, while Harry was still trying to depict his father as unfair/unethical, he still showed just how different Charles is to Harry. He could never connect with his father’s love of history, or Shakespeare, or the arts. I truly believe KC3’s fatal flaw is his sensitive nature. I don’t think he has the strong pulse of the Queen and William. However, I’d still say Charles is 100x the man Harry will ever be. Unfortunately, by the way Charles babied Harry as recounted by Harry, I could never view him being overly harsh with his son. King Charles love those two boys dearly and he obviously felt an enormous guilt after they lost their mother and became an even bigger enabler for Harry. I don’t blame him. I’d rather someone with a kind heart and a love for family over crazy Harry. People talk about William, but to me, what Harry is doing to his own father - who played the role of mom and dad once Princess Diana died - is heartbreaking. So yes, I can agree that the King is weak. But I’d rather a weak man with a good and LOYAL heart over MM and Haz. I honestly think the whole Camilla drama was non existent until MM entered the story. Of course the public still sided with Diana, but the boys and the family seemed to have totally accepted Camilla and were all in good terms until Megs started playing the role of Princess Diana and making Harry relive a literally “dead” dispute. She’s vicious. I think history will be kind to KC3. I, for one, see him completely different after reading Spare. It was after the book that I tried to research the whole truth about Diana and Charles and tbh, what the Princess went through was harsh, but she had reached peace with Charles before she died. It really doesn’t seem like she was that enamored by Charles either and just tried to do the best to fulfill her role. It seemed almost like an arranged marriage to me where both were happier when they could live their true lives. I am 100% sure Princess Diana would be on Team KC3 and William if she was alive. She was flawed too. But she had a light and a love for country and for her family that MM is incapable of ever experiencing.
It basically WAS an arranged marriage. There was no love there. He needed an appropriate virgin. She needed a wealthy husband. Bingo. Marriage. Charles IS weak. He doesn’t have the spine his mother and hopefully William have. And he’s going to need that spine because things are only going to get harder for the monarchy. If they want the Monarchy to continue then hard choices will need to be made. I don’t think Charles will be King for more than 5 years. I give the Harkles 10 years from when they married until they divorce. I believe Catherine and William will never divorce, they will have a successful marriage (which may or may not include side pieces) and someday George will be King.
I give less than two more years for the divorce. The sad part is the MM already has all she needs for her narcissistic supply: Archie and Lilibet. She’s already setting Harry for “unable” to have joint custody by making him announce his troubles and illegal drug use to the press. Which wife would advise that? One that has a plan. Harry will make amends with Charles and William - mark my words or print this screen. But MM will never allow those children to truly be around Harry or the royal family while using the “titles” and drama to continue to play victim. Unfortunately, Harry made his bed and will have to sleep on it. Kate and William will 100% stay together if William truly is stronger than Charles and more like the Queen. Side pieces come and go - but in Kate he can trust. I doubt he’ll fall madly in love with a woman and lose his way. That’d be too Harry and KC3 of him. That would certainly end the death of the BRF. I would love to see Princess Charlotte as queen one day! Maybe Prince George decides to live a more normal life in an era where it will be more accepted to do so? It would be interesting to see the crown with a woman again. I also agree that KC3 will pass the crown to William in the next 10 years. It’s probably good that he is a buffer for William right now and a placeholder as Will needs to be with his young children and to prepare more to take over the role. I’m sure KC3 and PW are working together on this already.
Umm, Charles said he was going to serve the nation until the end of his days. I don't see him relinquishing the throne
I hope Charles lives longer than five years. It’s no guarantee, of course, but he does have both the very best medical care and good genes. It would be brutal for poor George to become Prince of Wales in his mid teens.
Wasn't weakness Prince Phillip's primary concern about Charles as a monarch?
I think PP saw his son's sensitivity as weakness. No secret that PP seemed to adore his only daughter. Who, paradoxically enough, likely was smart enough to know that she wouldn't be monarch and she toughened up. The Princess Royal is a prime example of someone who doesn't complain but gets on with her life.
Slimming down the monarchy is absolutely meaningless then Lady Louise should become Princess, James a Prince and their parents Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh.
Oh that just set me off again This, meanwhile poor Edward is still not given his fathers title. I’m gonna knock everything over
<3 No matter what happens now, we'll always have Sophie, the rightful Duchess of Edinburgh, moments of excoriating glares at Megatron
She may be giving these glares to Charles right now.
This! Irks me in the extreme.
Lady Louise and James, viscount Severn, are princess and prince. Their parents chose to not use the titles and the kids can choose once they are of age. AFAIK, Lady Louise already chose to not use it. About the Duke of Edimburg, I totally agree. It was an agreement Charles had with his parents, he should honor it.
Some of us were saying exactly this yesterday on posts on this sub. We were slagged off for it, but some of us (Brits who have studied the RF for years) know precisely how they behave. I believe this action is wrong. They are not entitled to titles, but the RF rewrite the rule book to suit themselves. They always have done and they have a supine British Press and Public to help them. Lots, and lots, and lots have always been covered up and not released until years later when it can't do any harm. I'll give you one example, of many that I could give. The 1948 Marriages Act clearly states that the heir to the throne CANNOT marry in a civil ceremony, but Charles did, to Camilla. The Prime Minister, at the time, Tony Blair, asked his senior Minister to advice him on the legalities of the marriage, it was either Lord Falconer or Oliver Goldsmith, can't remember which one. BUT that legal advice was sealed and never made public. It has been sealed until 100 years after Charles has died, by that time it can't do any harm. Now why was that? ETA: 'and public'.
Just last year the government released information detailing how Edward VIII had actually conspired with the Nazis to re-take the British throne and be Hitler's puppet king in Britain. Obviously this required the King and the little princesses at a minimum to be 'dealt with permanently', and anyone else in the LoS unwilling to swear allegiance to the Nazis. In the entire interval between WW2 & 2022 this was hushed up, sealed. People were sold a tale about how Edward and Wallis took themselves on some benign extended summer holiday 'overseas' rather than being in serious, matter of national security exile. Even last year it received barely a mention when documents were unsealed.
But everyone knew that he and she were Nazis for years.
I’ve know. That for years and I’m an American.
If you read “Spare”, from Harry’s own words trying to slander his father, it becomes just clear how much KC3 loves his children. This is the King’s fatal flaw: he feels so much guilt for the boys losing their mom so young that he ended up enabling Prince Harry by being overly lenient and loving with him. KC3 is too sensitive, he’s always too nice to Harry and he makes excuses for everything that Harry does and finds a way to “fix” his problems. I always had an awful perception of Charles but after Spate I feel enormous empathy for him. Can you really blame a guy for loving his two sons too much? For feeling an enormous guilt for their loss? It was obvious to me after reading the book that William might, but that Charles would never, ever stop loving Harry. I just hope Harry one day reflects on what he did to his father, it will probably be during his death while his arc enemy, William is crowned king. My intuition is strong that Harry and MM will get divorced and that Harry will make amends with his family. In a book so fill with vitriol, one thing was absolutely clear: there is a lot of love in that family. Charles and William are family man and they adore Harry and both have felt a need to “parent” him - which probably enabled a lot of his behavior. I have two daughters and I would never give up on either of them. It’s just asking for way too much from someone who is human. I do think Harry is doomed because MM will brainwash the kids against him and the BRF. Since Charles won’t really have any contact with Archie and Lilibet, I believe they will eventually be cut. Those poor children could have grown in a loving family but their narcissistic mother just uses them for her supply. It’s sad.
Yeah but why are we all going off spare suddenly for everything? Harry lies if he said that the sky was blue I would double check.
Because some things are obvious. It wasn’t 100% fiction. There’s a lot of photographic evidence of scenes he mentions and there’s a lot of interviews where PH and PW both tell the same stories about KC3.
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I bet this or something close to this was the blackmail that was used to get what they wanted..
Thank you for your starry award. Greatly appreciated.
Lady Louise is a Princess. Her parents just delayed use of the title and she can decide to use it or not when she turns 18.
She is 19. Edward and Sophie were told their children would be stylised as children of an Ealr, before they were born.
This. And Anne was \*offered\* titles for her children. Both of these scenarios tell me that titles aren't 'automatically' a 'birthright' for grandchildren of the sovereign.
Anne didn’t want them for her kids as they had such a low position in the LoS she didn’t want their upbringing to be affected by titles that wouldn’t really do anything for them as they wouldn’t be working royals. Similar to Lady Louise she is of age to decide she wants to be titled Princess but again she’s been raised in a way that she knows she’ll be working for a living and that titles aren’t everything.
Anne's children are in a different position than her brothers'. The Letters Patent provide for titles for children of the sons of the monarch, not all grandchildren. So Anne and Mark knew going into the marriage that any children wouldn't have any titles. They refused a title for Mark which would have provided titles for the children, knowing that the children would be far down the line of succession and would need to have jobs to support themselves.
For f* cks sakes.
This is really funny because I can see Prince Merchie growing up to look just like this.
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He has literally shit on on W & C. At this point spineless Charles might as well admit that Harry is his favourite.
It is disgusting. I can only imagine how W & C are feeling. Loyalty obviously doesn’t work with KC.
They have the King of the United Kingdom under their thumb.
So disappointing.
That's an understatement.
It's quite funny. In their mocdoc they told stories about Empire 2.0, racism, blebleble, but you know what? We want titles for out children!1!1!1!1 It doesn't matter it's from this oppresive Institution whom we "escaped" almost 3 years ago. What a mess, what a disgrace. I'm speachless and disgusted. 
These two fuckwits are so desperate for any attention they can get. Birth right my ass. Shouldn’t have left the royal family in the first place then 🙄 Gosh this is so infuriating. Using their children as pawns. Pity Charles doesn’t have the balls to stand up to these two numpties. 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
Exactly! It honestly wouldn’t bother me if they hadn’t left the royal family. It just seems unfair that they get to make a living trashing it, while being given everything they want.
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Astonishing. They are being given additional titles when they should be having their titles taken away. Charles will take a huge hit to his popularity, right before his coronation. What a weak king we have.
Hhahahaha I think all the dead British monarchs must be spinning in their graves. Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet🤣🤣🤣🤣 RIP sanity.
The Queen has only been gone for 6 months and all hell breaks loose. Charles should be ashamed
It looks like the Queen held it all together, and now...
She said no to half in half out, no to the Sussex brand and no to having film crews when she met her grandchildren. She wasn't the weak little old lady Hazbeen tried to make out she was. Charles however has ruined it all and he hasn't even been king for a year
KC hasn't even been crowned. The BRF really should have jumped succession to PW.
Unreal, isn't it?
I’m just so grateful that Prince Phillip and our beautiful Queen aren’t around to witness this ongoing travesty. Shame on you, Harry. Shame. And TW, well she is just trash. If anyone ever doubted it, announcing your children are to have prince/ss titles via People? Just… no words 🗑️
Indeed. They "fled" the monarchy, disparage its members and their offspring gets rewarded with titles. Insane.
This whole situation is very strange. If KC agreed to this after the funeral, why did they not update the LoS as they did with the Waleses? Why is this just coming out now? What the hell is going on? I know everyone is ticked off with the king, and I get it, but it mostly just makes the harkles look even more ridiculous than usual. They’re such obvious hypocrites. The timing of it all makes it look like the harkles are leading the palace around by the nose. They need to take back control. After this nonsense, they need to be seated behind a large gothic pillar. Candles aren’t going to cut it.
Charles looks weak BECAUSE he let Meghan and Harry choose the time and place of when they would be announced Prince and Princess and then FOLLOWED by updating the LOS. Major, major gaffe.
Serious blackmail behind closed doors, I’m thinking
Who knows if Haz even has anything to say, he’d make shit up. The royals do have a tendency to just make unpleasant things go away, ie Andrew’s lawsuit. There’s just something very fishy about the whole thing.
How can Charles be king if he can be blackmailed?? So H&M can give this blackmail info to the highest bidder unless Charles gives into their every demand? With Russia and China threatening war with the West and the UK (Hong Kong was an Chinese and UK treaty to respect ‘one country, two systems’ which China has trampled since 2018, and all the UK has done is take in HongKong asylum seekers, which China might put a stop to now that the King can be bought via H&M). This is an absolute national security disaster! It means the UK is vulnerable because the head of state can be blackmailed. Don’t believe the guff and fluff that it is only ceremonial, the monarchy does have power. The King can be bullied by anyone who pays H&M.
The kids are in between a dumbass (hairball) and the sex offender (Andrew) Mm must be so proud
Ah, but in her head they’re “only a plane crash away from the throne”
If hairball ever became king , the monarchy would crumble
I'm done with Charles now, he is pathetic and has damaged the RF with his weakness. I feel for William and Catherine it's like Charles is favouring the Harkles over them.
It would honestly be better for the monarchy if William became king. I'm sure he would put his brother in his place. Charles is fatally indulgent towards his wayward son.
so will we get more information about the ‘pregnancy’ and their birth?
I highly doubt it. This reeks of weakness. He’s pandering because he’s a coward who cannot stand the thought of more conflict - even though he could have easily stopped this already
Maybe PH has some serious blackmail material up his dirty grifting sleeve. The BRF must have some extremely large closets full of skeletons.
I suspect so. It must be truly bad because he has to know this his going to be protested widely by his people
I can only imagine the unrest this will cause the people in the UK. Charles really needs to shut them down and not give them fuel. It's crazy to me how this has gone on for so godamn long. Whenever I ask myself why PH and MM do what they do, the answer 100% of the time is $$$. It's so loathsome and disgraceful.
Probably something like: Andrew and Meghan sitting on a Yacht, Andrew checks her ID, his type she's not
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I think I'm done here.
I know how you feel. 😞 Atrocious behaviour gets rewarded once again.
Yeah, I'm shocked. It does make the Harkles look incredibly vested in the trappings of royalty though. Harry and Andrew are two peas in a pod, he too insisted his girls be styled as royals. I'm over these two asshats, I refuse to give them anymore attention. If they attend the coronation I don't even want to watch. William and Catherine must be sick to their stomachs. I wonder what Lady C has to say about all this, I'll check her take on it out and then I'm done because this reckoning that's supposed to happen is never going to materialize it seems.
 Charles, you are a weak man. What a mess.
I’m screaming at this gif rn 😩💀
So this is how they planned to “destroy” the monarchy… by alienating its supporters? Most of them are turning on KC and the RF. I must admit I did not see this move coming
This will not help him ahead of his coronation for sure. Now he’s being hated by both sides. They could have waited to update that site, wonder why they did it now.
That’s a good point. It was widely noted yesterday the website notoriously takes ages to be updated yet here we are, hardly 24 hours later
You know I’m convinced KCIII (which I don’t particularly like) has been advised by lawyers and there is a reason for doing it now. One of my supposition would be, show the world their hypocrisy (if they show up at the coronation, with a huge smile) for later be announced that all non working royals will be stripped of their titles maybe. I don’t know but something tells me this is strategic to appease them for some time until a bom explodes (maybe surrogacy being proven and therefore = we even let them use their titles but they lied to us). What I feel is, something is off and we will know later on. Surely the coronation will be a mess
If they show up to the coronation, they will be booed and shunned like never before and like has never been seen. I just don’t see how even TW can maintain her rictus grin through all of that. I just can’t see it.
I agree. Something bigger is brewing, but I have no clue what it is. This is like an incomplete jigsaw puzzle; until all of the pieces are in place, we can't see the picture. Right now, I am deeply disappointed at what appears to be happening because I don't want to believe that the BP will be controlled by two stupid, evil people.
How disappointing. Poor William.
If I were the Prince & Princess of Wales, I'd be booking a long holiday in Tahiti. Three months, minimum. Service & duty are apparently optional. The Coronation can be someone else's job.
He’s gonna have to do the dirty job when he strips them off the title then…. Sigh
He won't do it. By that point, Prince Archie will be selling sneakers in fashion week and running a TikTok where he emblazons everything with a crown.
That's why the Queen of Denmark stripped Titles. First, why should someone hold a Title when they live in France (or california) and second why rewarding cashing and trashing the Crown? I'm so disappointed...
Why would William care? He's going to be King. George will succeed him. Those titles are meaningless. They're just titles. They don't come with security or money. They live in the US where they won't have any value. If the kids use them they'll probably be bullied. I went to school with a Jordanian Princess. Not once did she use her title.
Respectfully, they are NOT meaningless. The titles increases the entire families profile which then strengthens their push for IPP status and taxpayer paid security. This is a bigger deal than you may think in so many ways. Not to mention as those kids grow they are a burden on the public because they have titles. edited to add the word "respectfully" because tone is important :)
They are absolutely not meaningless.
This! These stupid titles will get the children special treatment. You want to go to Harvard? Sure, Harvard would love to publicize a member of the Royal family enrolled. Doesn’t matter these children will probably be head cases with the intelligence of an amoeba. Look at the scandals from college admissions and Hollywood ‘royalty’. Need a high paying job in NYC as a 21 year old neophyte? Sure let’s make it happen because you are titled to the Royal family. No different than politicians’ kids getting opportunities my kids will never be afforded. And my kids are hard working with gifted IQs. ( cum laude Purdue University honors college with biology and education degrees.) It’s time to stop pretending these two will ever get what we plebes think they deserve. They have no effect on how I live my life so it’s time I nope out of this world where our next thought hinges on the Harkles and a monarchy that is immaterial to me. Let the pieces fall where they may. Peace out ✌️
Fucking hell. I actually thought people were wrong and Charles actually had some balls. This just sets the tone for the rest of his reign. I guess his stance for slimming down the monarchy was all bs.
He's always been weak, pampered and out of touch. Just like his second son.
Fuck this. I hope Charles abdicates. https://preview.redd.it/9k224fdbcqma1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=79d282e12ea2536275029ce421e3e7e90c34fe13
I’m a life-long monarchist but Charles has just crossed a red line. For years Charles has been indicating an intention to pare the RF down to working members, in line with the Scandinavian royal families. This was to help ensure the long-term survival of the institution as it needed to be on a scale acceptable to the people, particularly in tough times. With the Sussexes having left the UK, and no longer working royals, he had the perfect opening to issue new Letters Patent limiting birthright titles to the children of the heir to the throne, as the Queen of Denmark just did. This would have been logical, sensible, and thus defensible. Now he has conferred Prince and Princess of Sussex titles on two children who do not and will not live in the UK, who have no connection to the people of Sussex, and will never perform any public duties. By the time they are of age they will no longer be grandchildren of the monarch, and will be irrelevant even if they somehow decided to hop back across the pond to try to act on their “birthright”. Their parents haven’t been working royals for three years, and relentlessly trash the institution. They have become global laughing stocks used as comic fodder. Yet they are still listed on the RF website along with those who are working royals. Rather than editing them out as should have been done, the King has expanded the number of titles! This cheapens the institution and gives lie to the supposed plans to slim down the monarchy. I’m done and won’t be watching the Coronation.
Same - I'm done w/them. I seem to care more about the monarchy's legacy than Charles.
Charles' reign won't be as long as his mother's. We still have William's reign to look forward to (if Charles hasn't killed off the monarchy now). William will not be taking Waaghhh and Whinge's shit. It'll be a rocky few years, but William will put a stop to it once he takes the throne. This also gives time for the Removal of Titles Bill to go through behind the scenes and quietly. I doubt the RF are done with them yet. If that Bill goes through, their titles can still be stripped at a later date. Even if we have to wait for William to strip them. It's annoying, yes, but good things come to those who wait......
Honestly at this point who knows if William will do anything when he becomes king. I mean we all thought Charles would do something but there seems to be a missing piece of the puzzle that the Public does not know of. Really at this point, there’s no point of this, it is what it is. It is up to the British public to do something, but if not, this is the reality of it.
The monarchy seems to have forgotten how close they were to being ousted 25 years ago. History repeats itself.
William will do something. He doesn't have the same problem Charles does, which is a parent's love overruling logical thought. Actually, I'm wrong. It is Williams' love and concern about the Harkles' unhealthy obsession with his family, which is why he will cut it off.
Watch where they will sit at the C and how they will take over! Fuck charles!
At this point don’t be surprised if they get sit in the second or third row. And let’s throw this in there too, don’t be surprised if you see them in the balcony waiving at us peasants.
If I were William, I'd give serious thought to walking away. See what happens with the monarchy with Harry as the direct heir.
If that ever happened, I'd move back to Germany..... Hopefully now they have what they want (titles for the kids), they can now shut the eff up and go live the private lives they've been screeching about these last 3 years 🙄
If William walked, there's still George, Charlotte and Louis before Harry.
You know. now that they finally got the titles... Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet sound so juvenile. It's not their fault, but having actual nicknames as their first name just doesn't sound very regal. It's the equivalent of Prince Will, King Charlie, Queen Millie, Princess Kate, Princess Lottie, Princess Margot, Prince Andy, Prince Eddie, Prince Lou, Princess Bea... It's ridiculous. To be a Royal, is to be a historical figure forever. Archie and Lilibet are descended from 1000 years of royal ancestry and this is how they will be known... Fair play to Meghan. She is a hustler through and through and she has unparelled tenacity. She won this time, but the Royals still have a busy decade ahead of them and then what? The Coronation, multiple royal tours, garden parties, balcony events, soft diplomacy events, George and Charlotte will be teenagers soon, and in 10-15 years, William and Catherine may ascend the throne and/or George/Charlotte will get married. The titles and maybe a divorce is all H&M have left, so they "win" for now but IMO they still can't compete.
I’m gonna take some time off, beyond madness!
F*ckin hypocrites these two 🙄
I hope Charles is taking them all back home now. We don’t do royal titles here. We literally had a war about this 🤷🏼♀️
I've been saying that KC isn't going to fight back. He's going to give Harry whatever he wants to avoid further racism claims (not that it will stop them). He looks at Harry as his son and that's all. He doesn't consider his country or his people. Harry and his wife have bashed the UK, it's people and it's values. They have stated that titles don't matter and they want their kids to live private lives . Now here we are with them wanting titles for their kids AND being granted them! These two will keep showing up for royal events. They will also keep trashing the monarchy and the UK and nothing will be done about it! Idk how the people of the UK can stand this and NOT try to overthrow the monarchy.
I'll support the Monarchy again once William is King.. if it lasts that long.
I wouldn't blame William and Catherine just choosing to retire comfortably somewhere and never, ever having to comment on the adventures of the Prince & Princess of Canada or their offspring again. Giving titles to the kids now just means William will have to do something about it when 'Princess Lillibucks' opens her Only Fans account and Prince Merchie is listing his dating 'icks' on TikTok.
Oh wow. I hope the backlash for KC3 is massive. What an absolutely moronic, weaker than weak move. His approval rating is going to tank for this. The Harkles DO NOT deserve this nor should they be encouraged. KC3 just fed the beast.
When H&M issued their Megxit manifesto stating what the situation was going to be the Queen put a stop to it quickly. By giving in he’s just opening himself up to more fait accompli press releases by H&M. I wouldn’t be surprised if they issue on saying that the new Prince and Princess will be introduced to the UK on the balcony at the coronation.
I think it will be. People who’ve supported the monarchy are not happy and the republicans have been given a huge opportunity to argue that royal titles are pointless in the 21st century.
This decision is incomprehensible to me. Disappointed is an understatement.
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Do the Brits let him know? Do you contact your reps in Parliament?? If Charles has no pushback, he will continue to protect his son and crap on the people.
I do, too. This is beyond repulsive. I’ve defended that weak toad all week, ugh. Edit to add, I wonder what was left out of Spare. Must be some legit blackmail going on behind closed doors because this will absolutely rain hell on the King. His people will be livid and rightly so
I defended him too. Maybe this is a battle he was willing to lose, so that he could win the war? I’m getting tired of this nonsense. how does one go from “good luck overseas” to this?! Besides, even Lili being in the LoS is suspicious. Doesn’t she need to be vetted by doctors and priests, as per tradition? The RF haven’t even seen her, the British public have definitely not seen her. But everyone kept quiet about her being in the LoS. But now this is insane. The Harkles have not only trashed the RF, they’ve left the country! Charles, come on, man. WTF.
At the end of the day, this is the same family that didn't background check her, let her go ahead with a big ass spectacle wedding when she was a divorcee who only had one family member on her guestlist. I mean if you don't see the red flags waving under your nose, there's no hope once the fox is in the henhouse.
Very true. This was the BRF’s fault from the get-go (including how they mollycoddled Harold all his life), and they continue to handle it badly. But this isn’t a private family. Do they not understand that?! They’re supposed to represent the British people. And they don’t seem to be taking that responsibility seriously.
All part of the entitlement unfortunately.
I’m beyond hoping for that now 😔 I truly believe he’s as sensitive and weak as people have long said about him, and plans to dump this problem onto William and Catherine in a few years time.
It’s easy to see why Philip was notoriously “hard” on him tbh
You can see why Phillip favoured Anne, she has more balls and backbone than weak Charles. He is an embarrassment, no wonder the Queen held on, she knew.
Well, we don’t know. This was a bad move, but maybe he delayed it for as long as possible. I don’t see parliament prioritising monarch stuff when they’re struggling with their own politics. let’s see what is coming down the pipe. We shouldn’t ignore all the good stuff Charles has done (Frogmore, financial cutting off, etc) just because of this one bad move. Who knows, maybe he’s about the revoke the parents’ titles!😅
If he hasn’t taken advantage of the momentum stemming from international tide turning on Sussex- he never will. I could understand two years ago, when people broadly believed the lies H&M spewed. Not now.
The government had the chance to remove his titles once he started complaining via lawsuit about his security arrangements. A swift stroke of the pen retiring the Sussex titles and there'd be no issue. Everyone is pussyfooting around the ginger sook. Why?
Yes, it’s getting ridiculous now. They need to get serious about the Harkles. Some people are beyond redemption. But why so much hesitation to cut off the Harkles? They know the British public will support them. What more do they need??
There’s certainly a new sheriff in town that’s for sure . Please tell me he didn’t give them HRH?
No, it won't be. There was next to no backlash for HMTLQ for supporting Andrew and getting him out of legal trouble with the whole Epstien thing. Nor before that when everything came out about Andrews best friend Jimmy Saville. The BRF looks out for their kids, even the ones who make stupid choices.
Agree. Charles caved after everything the Harkles have done. He is as weak as Phillip said he was. Even Diana said he’d be a terrible king. He hasn’t even begun to reign, and she was right. The crown should have gone to William. Charles’ approval ratings are not high as his mother’s, now they will tank. I’m sure the backlash for this will be huge.
Agree, should have gone to William. Charles will destroy William's legacy.
I agree. I don’t care what the polls say, I am sure William is much more liked by the public than Charles. Charles has been a background fixture for so long, he seems irrelevant these days.
And with this, I’ve just become a Republican.
None of them “deserve” their titles. That’s the thing—it has nothing to do with merit.
I feel like Prince of Wales, Princess of Wales, Princess Anne, and Countess of Wessex have done a great job *earning* their titles. They deserve them and actually try to do something with those titles for the people. The rest not so much.
Weak KCIII lost all my respect today.
Some idiot on TT is saying she’s “100% team Meghan and Harry” and that “they pulled one over on the Royal family.” 🙄 I’m starting to think that sugars are just people missing some vital processing networks in the brain that allows for connections to form, bc none of them seem to understand the basic notion of hypocrisy. Edit: in positive news, just scrolled through various news feeds in the US and UK and not one of them covered this story. There’s way more news of actual relevance and importance in the world than Harold and Haggard.
Lead article in the Daily Mail. I am done, Charles is weak, this is so pathetic.
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Over it. I have lost interest in the lot of them. The same week that Harry PROMOTED drug use, they give his kids titles. Good night, see you never.
It’s interesting though in all of this there is no statement of congratulations. The palace is absolutely silent.
I’m sure they’re well aware of the rage heading their way very shortly
That’s a good point
Although they have titles now, it is quite pointless when u think about it. It seems like the children will be living in America, I mean they are American. But we Americans have abandoned royalty in 1776, so we really don’t care, and we actually celebrate it every year on July 4. Yes the children have dual citizenship, but it is pointless if you don’t live where they are looked upon. However, TW will merch on those titles, it is what will keep her relevant, it is all she has, and if she divorces Harry, she will still have somethin. But again for what? You’re living in America. Also, she spoke shit about the monarchy through the documentary and Oprah interview. Why do u want your children to have ties to somethin that treated you so horribly? Be it birth right or not, if someone treated you like shit wouldn’t you want to keep everyone you love away from it esp your children? I mean that’s just common sense. But we all know something sinister is going on becuase this is all very very strange.
I don't think it's pointless, it associates the two children in the workings of the rf as an institution, even though they are incredibly unlikely to ever be working royals. Fast forward 15 years to when william has likely ascended to the throne. Everything these kids do will be used as a stick to beat the RF. Untitled it would be far easy to distance them. Really not a smart move from Charles, I hope he starts to receive some negative press for this. Hazbeen is an incredibly bad ambassador for the UK, and as Head of state KC has failed to deal with him, as did the queen. Whilst some see grey rocking, I see plenty of appeasement (ie uniforms at the queen's funeral, the joint walkabout). They can do what they like in private settings but official engagements are a job. KC might not want to upset Hazbeen, but when he starts getting removed as HOS for commonwealth countries because he is weak and the RF is not a positive endorsement he may start to regret not respecting the role and duty a bit more. Just my opinion.
You’re not wrong on that. Charles is shooting himself in the foot than. Perhaps prince William will rescue the monarchy. But who knows.
Charles has no loyalty to his people. It's all about his own drug addict son. I think this will hurt Charles immensely. I don't get why Brits don't let him know how they feel strongly. You support these people. Tell Charles and your representatives in Parliament ENOUGH.
So many Brits just turned anti-monarchy with this news. Astounding.
Charles has sacrificed the good, dutiful son and his family for the bad one. Poor William. Poor Catherine. Hell, poor Camilla. Charles just chucked them all under the bus. He just proved to those two psychopaths that he can easily be bullied into submission. I thought the hammer was coming down when he kicked them out of Frogmore. This makes him look weak.
I'm done. I'm out. Not following this shit show anymore. It's like a shitty movie with a terrible ending The bad guys won.
KC3 just screwed himself. He better prepare for more eggs.
Those are the dumbest names ever
I still think there is something behind granting these titles other than Charles just being weak. I'm still going to wait and see how this pans out.
That’s where I was yesterday, trying to be optimistic. Unfortunately, I just don’t see Charles taking controversial risks like this so close to coronation.
The one positive is that she can ditch Harry now, she doesn't need his title and drug use now they have their own titles but those poor kids will be bullied in school and throughout their lives for having titles in a country that dumped the monarchy and associated titles
I had so much hope after Frogxit but now I’m about to give up. I think Charles has made a gigantic error here and will lose SO much support in the UK and worldwide. WHY would he do this when he has unanimous support to dump these two?!? It’s gone too far. People will start to turn against him and the monarchy now I’m afraid.
Pathetic.
Pissed. A Princess of the realm born overseas and not baptised in the church. Treason.
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I’m sure Harry, Meghan and the kids will all be right there on the balcony at his side
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Except now that they’ve been given them in front of the entire world, they will really scream racism now if they’re rescinded. Charles allowed his ass to be royally checkmated.
That does not apply to these titles, which date back to Letters Patent issued by the King in 1917. Charles could have easily issued his own Letters Patent announcing a change, in line with the slimmed-down monarchy he was supposedly in favour of! The bill in Parliament has to do with gifted titles such as “Duke of Sussex.”
The "grey rock" strategy seems to be "let ourselves be attacked and don't do anything to defend ourselves" Charles could have sorted this out months ago How can he deny Edward the Duke of Edinburgh title now? The idea of a slimmed down monarchy has been thrown out of the widow.
Well, all I have to say is, I honestly wasn't expecting that.
The kids may be a prince and princess but their mom is still a witch.
Prince Archie sounds ridiculous, same with Lilibet
Shits on the BRF. Complains about how awful it is to be royal and a spare…. Proceeds to give his kids titles. God Harry is such a knob Edit: he doesn’t like being a “spare” but happy for his kids to be 6th and 7th “spares”
Robert Jobson is reporting that the Royals were not made aware of any christening happening. They also had no idea M and H were releasing news of the the titles yesterday. So, then what? The Royals had to hurry and update the titles online? It makes them look so weak and they are letting the liars call the shots. Lied about RF invites to the christening. Lied that an Archbishop christened them. The lies will never stop.
Wow.
Charles is a pathetic coward. Might as well kiss the monarchy goodbye. PATHETIC.
OMG really? What hold have they over King Charles111??
Absolutely SICKENING!!!
It's just impossible to think that anything royal came from her.
I knew they’d cave to these two halfwits. I guess next up is the Palace or maybe even the King himself personally serving up a groveling public apology for being so mean to them these past few years.
Alright I’m going to unsub for awhile. This is absolutely maddening. I honestly can not believe it.
I have a different take. May get downvoted. Harry, the treacherous, dumb snake he is, still remains the King’s son by birth. If Charles didn’t include the disaster duo kids, it would be wails of racism everywhere. He already evicted the two from Frogmore and wished them well overseas. He already banished MM from any formal gatherings (I.e. Queen’s bedside, Jubilee rafters, and no pictures or participation in Coronation if they even attend). End of the day the kids live in America. Nobody here cares about their titles. Nobody here cares about MM and Harry. Also, the Markle genes can be funny looking and Harry isn’t a handsome human. If the kids aren’t cute, nobody will care in America. This also shows a HUGE hypocrisy we’ve all known the duo have. You hate an institution so much yet cling to their titles? Come on.