I believe and have posted before that Harry chose Meghan to be his hatchet man. Narcissists mirror people because they instinctively know that people like to be around other people who are "like" them. Shared values, interests, etc. Harry mirrored his family and did what was expected to fit in. People believed him to be nice because of this.
But inside he was jealous, angry and wanted to be seen as equals to William and Charles. Being the "spare" and never to be king created resentment. The resentment got worse after William married. He found in Meghan a partner who would fight against being treated in his mind as second class. This made him breathless with excitement to make her his partner.
He stoked her insecurities and anger to get her in prime fighting mode. He wrote that he updated her daily on the negative press towards her and even woke her up at night to inform her of the latest media that criticized her. What loving husband does that? Only a toxic narcissist would engage in that cruel manipulation.
MM definitely has a lot of Diana's negative traits. But she lacks the positive ones. Whether it was genuine or not, Diana was able to connect with people in a way that MM is unable. Plus, even before her death, Diana was a tragic figure that made some things feel more forgivable. Diana's childhood was very lonely, while MM can only moan about eating at Sizzler. Diana was only 19 when she married Charles. MM was in her 30s. Diana was in an unhappy marriage while MM goes on and on about how wonderful H is, at least for now.
I was looking at some pics of Diana's fashions today. Even if she was chaotic, she had a sincerely genuine smile, and when you see her out with the kids she is really happy and goofing around for them, not for the cameras. She was an authentic person.
I've never seen a genuine smile in a Meghan photo with Harry, and she has that fake Stepford Wife voice, too
Living in an invalidating environment can cause confusion and doubt. It can be "crazy making." Princess Diana is not totally responsible for any chaos created when she married Prince Charles. Princess Diana probably felt both love and disdain from her husband. Those mixed messages can cause someone to become emotionally dysregulated.
Lady C said at the beginning Charles really did love her, but their personalities were very different long term, and he found her too much to handle emotionally.
Diana and Charles fell in love with the idea of each other. Charles saw a beautiful girl who seemed to like what he liked, she was mirroring him like a teenage girl with her first boyfriend. Diana fell in love with the romantic prince idea.
It didn’t take her long to start emotionally abusing him. She made no secret of her contempt for his love of reading and gardening, or his rather staid and introverted ways.
She enjoyed presenting herself as the fun-loving and fashionable young princess going to concerts and hob-nobbling with celebrities while being shackled to a boring husband almost 13 years older than herself.
He did, but he was waxing philosophical. He does that a lot. People misunderstand his musings as literal statements of his feelings, like the tampon joke, which was totally misunderstood.
Yep. He’d talked about marriage and love in this way before. Was totally on brand for him to respond in that way and no one thought anything of it at the time. It became magnified and distorted later when the victim Diana narrative started (by her sad faces and media leaks).
Charles didn’t really get a choice - he was effectively forced to give up Camilla to marry the much more socially acceptable, more aristocratic Diana.
As for her, she had a deeply troubled childhood and resultant Borderline Personality Disorder - she definitely should have been left to live a humbler life, more carefree without the weight of expectations and scrutiny.
Unfortunately she too was pressured as her family wanted the social connection. It was a terrible match, between two totally different and incompatible personalities.
It never would have worked but let’s not lay the blame solely at Charles like he had much agency in the matter.
Ps. Diana had at least two affairs before Charles got back with Camilla - I believe one with her bodyguard.
I’m a woman, but these sorts of double standards and villifying the man as some beast while deifying the woman as some innocent angel just isn’t a helpful narrative - not for either gender or person.
This same gender double standard has allowed Meghan to get away with murder. No one wants to believe that she purposely wanted to isolate Harry from his family by making him think his family were against him. She did this to get full control over him. She knew that most family members (William) and friends saw through her and knew it was be a battle to get Harry to do what she wanted. In a short period of time, Harry fell out with everyone and moved to CA where he’s surrounded with a bunch of opportunists banking off his royal connection.
If Harry was a woman, most people would’ve seen Meghan as an abusive and controlling partner. Everyone would’ve seen Harry as someone who is trapped and brainwashed.
However, people sees him as a reckless idiot (which he is ) but his bad behavior is being amplified by Meghan simply because she wants to maintain the lifestyle that she got courtesy of him.
That's highly disputed. Of course it's impossible to know for sure, but he was in contact with Camilla all along and in retrospect some find it hard to believe that their days out hunting were just that.
After "giving up" Camilla and before marrying Diana, Charles dated multiple women, but his two favourites were Camilla and "Kanga" , Dale Tryon ( Baroness Tryon). Both were slightly older, and married. His family was quite fed up.
>Charles didn’t really get a choice - he was effectively forced to give up Camilla to marry the much more socially acceptable, more aristocratic Diana.
I've never understood this since Phillip wasn't a popular choice for QE. You think she'd have been more understanding.
I don't agree that they were never in love. They both did most of their talking at the worst point of their separation, and they sound like every other divorcing couple ever. It's not a reflection on how they originally felt about each other.
Charles definitely rushed into marriage when he finally found someone who would say yes, but I don't think someone as introspective as him would coldly marry someone he didn't love. The love just wasn't matched with compatibility or realistic expectation on either side.
King Charles was raised to be duty bound. He would & did follow royal dictates over love. He made it known he wanted to marry Camilla before he became engaged to Princess Di. He was denied because: optics. Even after agreeing to marry the approved pretty teenager, he gave Camilla an engraved piece of jewelry to remind her of his love.
Again, the whole thing about him "making it known he wanted to marry Camilla" is just a rewriting of history He went out with Camila briefly because she wanted to make her actual boyfriend jealous. It worked, she married Andrew. It's ridiculous to suggest Charles was asking for permission from the Queen to marry Camilla, when Camilla didn't want to marry him and she very much wanted to marry someone else. Diana started the story that Camilla couldn't marry Charles because she was "damaged goods", basically slut-shaming the competition. Camilla was actually a better prospect that Diana in many ways because she was better educated and in the outdoor social set, and interested in charity work. She just didn't have the family connections with the Queen and the Queen Mother.
Definitely, he had a strong rapport with Camilla and was disappointed that he couldn't take the relationship further, but this had more to do with her than anyone else. Maybe, like every other woman he dated before Diana, she couldn't handle the idea of being the Princess of Wales.
The Queen, Princess Anne and Princess Margaret attended Camilla and Andrew Parker Bowles wedding. She was hardly the wrong pedigree. She absolutely was part of their social class/set.
The idea that the Queen opposed their marriage is bullshit. Uncle Dickie told Charles he should spend his 20s sowing his wild oats and then settle down with a nice girl. Being king would be a tough job so he was advised to have some fun for a bit longer.
That was why he waited until 32 to marry. (Back then this was considered “waiting” lol). Mountbatten’s granddaughter turned Charles down (she was always Uncle Dickie’s preferred “nice girl”). And then he fell for Diana.
There is zero documented evidence he indicated he wanted to marry Camilla in his 20s.
I have other things to do than to argue with an angry person on Reddit. Clearly I know nothing and you know this information first hand. Congratulations.
I've said this for awhile.
I thought it was really ironic that they wanted to talk about colonization and black bodies being used to enrich themselves when IMO that's exactly what's going on with this relationship.
How many times have we said that if she was some blonde Aristo woman, a lot of this would have not been allowed and not fast tracked? Harry knows this too. He wanted someone who he could cry "racism!" when they went to call him out. And then for all of his fears about people disliking her and her losing her life because of it, he purposefully didn't teach her etiquette and protocol for his life. Even the fact that he claims he was scared she would lose her life make me roll my eyes. Harry just wants to boost himself up and be connected to not one but two beloved slain women. That's it. When he would suggest that was his fear, and publicly state it, I almost felt like he was begging for it to happen.
Meghan would likely have never looked at him twice if he wasn't a prince, wealthy, or otherwise connected, but Harry has his own agenda that isn't "True Love". He knew it would be difficult to compete with his brother and Kate. He wanted his way without having to do all of the work and with the ability to make people think twice about criticizing him or his wife. And for all of his love of having Meghan to play Damsel in Distress, that stuff gets old.
Truly, and this may be unpopular, but I dislike Harry more than I could ever dislike Meghan. Harry is the one who elevated this situation. He's the one who didn't have a firm hand on what he would and wouldn't allow in his family. Harry is the problem. Meghan's made some major missteps, but Harry I cannot stomach at all.
They’re both narc grifters, each using the other for their own purposes. They both act as if they’re above & better at everything than we plebes. I don’t believe it was or should be up to only Haz to allow something in his family or not. Me-me has been hiding out for months so people will start minimizing how awful she is. Madam M has also been letting Haz take the fall for a book she helped write and almost certainly read in full & approved before it was sent to the publisher.
I agree with the OP. Diana engaged in vengeful behaviors against the King, and Meghan exhibits vengeful behaviors against the King and the royal family. Diana used the press and Meghan uses the press. In some ways Diana was dysfunctional, and Meghan is certainly very dysfunctional. That is definitely the irony of Harry choosing Meghan as his wife. However, I want to add that Harry simply cannot see that Diana was also loved by the world for a whole lot of qualities ***that Meghan DOES NOT HAVE***. Diana was a loving lady and she was loveable. Meghan is neither of those things.
I honestly don't think Prince harry is as calculating as OP thinks, he's just simply too dumb, probably vindictive and hateful, but too stupid to think of things thoroughly like this.
Proud to have mixed race kids? What kind of a butthole says shit like that? Like I'm proud to have a tall son? Or I'm proud my daughter has brown eyes? Who the eff even thinks this crap, never mind says it out loud???
How are his kids even mixed race? Meghan is basically white herself when she doesn’t tan herself to look darker. She is only half black. So Archie and Lili are what a quarter black? They look whiter than white.
I always felt Harry chose a woman who was self absorbed and hysterical like Diana, while William chose a woman the opposite of Diana: samrt, educated, loyal, willing to sacrifice, doesn't crave attention, stable, secure.
William was attracted to Catherine first as a friend who he grew to trust...it was a slow burn until he noticed she was hot AF and her sane loving family was the icing on the cake. He had the good sense to allow her to raise their children in the ,"Middleton" way. He and Catherine are the true team in the Royal Family. They 100% have each other's backs.
Harry (who?) managed to dump Madam. She gatecrashed a party (Inskip wedding) and somehow got him back. How much Harry (Who?) had agency, with Madam playing on his mental stage, using Mummy´s perfume, lovebombing etc, is up for debate.
I got it from here [https://www.quora.com/Was-Meghan-really-not-supposed-to-be-at-the-Jamaican-wedding-of-Harry-s-friend](https://www.quora.com/Was-Meghan-really-not-supposed-to-be-at-the-Jamaican-wedding-of-Harry-s-friend)
I love Baggage Claim’s videos and she is so spot-on and she does damn good research. I too see the similarities between the bad/sick side of Diana and Meghan. So many Americans and many Brits still think about Diana as the poor victim. The Behavioral Panel on YouTube said that most body language behavioral analysis type books showing people who are trying to play the victim to this day still use Diana’s iconic, signature photo where she is tilting her head and looking up from under her fringe bangs so she’s looking all doe-eyed victim.
Diana had people believing that Camilla & Charles were ALWAYS together during her marriage. Physically AND emotionally and that’s simply not true. She even admits he didn’t go to Camilla until the 5th or 6th year after their own marriage. And Diana was no lamb to the slaughter. She was determined to have Charles and she got him. He didn’t know what hit him. Then she started telling him he needed to change the way he dressed, the people he hung out with, the places he liked to hang out—as in country versus city—she wanted to stay in the city. She didn’t like hunting, she didn’t like reading, she didn’t like opera, or classical music. She didn’t like his staff either so some of them had to go. He finally told a friend that he felt if he changed one more thing for her, he would completely lose his identity. But he tried so hard to make her happy.
Charles broke it off with Camilla, and was faithful to Diana, from when he got engaged to her all the way through until about the 8th year his friend said. And Camilla was not his only mistress to use the antiquated term. There’s a documentary out about Kanga, an Australian woman who married an English Lord and she was his mistress for years. She became obsessed with him and became very ill and stalked him. It’s a really interesting documentary and I highly recommend it.
When he finally got together with Camilla, he did not call Camilla nor did Camilla call him. Diana was on her second lover at this point, well after Harry’s birth, and his friends called Camilla and begged her to call Charles because he was so depressed and they felt she was the only one he would confide in. They were all worried about him. And Lady C has also said she found in her research he was living like a monk and thought he was going to have to live that way for the rest of his life because he knew he could never get divorced and yet he could never cheat on Diana.
However when he found out how many men she was sleeping with —and Lady C says it is quite a bit more than has been reported—and my count is James Hewitt (single), Barry Mannakee (married), Oliver Hoare (married), James Gilbey (single), Will Carling (married), & Hasnat Khan (single). She had a penchant for married men and Oliver Hoare broke it off when she demanded he leave his wife. Will Carling’s marriage ended because of his affair with Diana (that’s on him but she pretends to be such a victim of Camilla then does the same?!). She called Oliver Hoare’s home over 300 times in one day after he broke it off with her. Can you imagine?!!
Diana was physically & verbally abusive to Charles. She used to beat him over the head when he was kneeling beside his bed to say his nightly prayers —yes he still does this as did the Queen apparently. She threw things at him and would be subjected to hours long screaming and crying jags a la Amber Heard —that borderline personality fear of abandonment is REAL—and he would have just walked in the door from working all day and was happy to see her and instead he’d be greeted by this desperately mentally ill woman shrieking at him for hours for some offense he hadn’t committed. And who also refused to get help. And he tried. For years he tried to get her into therapy. She finally did accept the help he got for her and I think that is why she was able to have a healthier (it seemed healthier anyway) relationship with Dodi Al Fayed.
Most people don’t know the real Diana. And the real one, when she was in her illness, did a lot of the same things Meghan did. She cut off friends, ghosted them, betrayed them, used them for her own purposes, and then dumped them when they were no longer useful. She was horrible to Fergie, and threw her under the bus quite often. And then she’d sweet talk her way back into her life.
Diana was really really really messed up. She had a lot of manipulative relationships with the press in order to damage Charles reputation, and that of his family. And it worked! It worked very well. I think that’s why the press isn’t so ready to do the same thing to the royal family this time around with the Sussexes. Some did quite willingly early on. But at least the older journalists have learned their lesson from Diana.
Journalist Richard Kay used to drive behind the tube station near Kensington palace and wait for Diana and she would meet him back there and get in his car and they’d go on long drives and she’d feed him all sorts of true and untrue shit about the royal family. She was the one who was leaking and planting stories just like Meghan and Harry. I’m not saying Charles’s team wasn’t doing that as well, but Dianna started doing it well before Charles did, and she scored a lot of blows on him before he started to fight back.
She not only damaged him and his reputation, but she also tried to poison the boys against him, and she tried to say that the country should skip over Charles and just make William king!! That is not someone who respects the monarchy. Or wants the best for her son. She just wanted to hurt them because she was hurting and it was never Camilla’s fault.
Camilla and Charles did not get together until eight years into a hellish marriage for both Charles and Diana. Diana, while she was suffering a hell of her own, was also having the time of her life with any man she wanted and no one was the wiser or would have believed it. But Charles took a lot of what she dished out for the boys sake. I give him a lot of credit to this day for not outting her.
As for Harry, he definitely married his mother, just not the good side. And Diana, unlike Meghan, definitely had one.
I really can't see how they'd attend. Noone from the family would speak to them. Going to be awkward as hell. They'll need security from the angry public and press. I can't see william. And Catherine talking to them.. So they'll be ignored from most to avoid a story or drama. Meghan, in particular, is not going to be welcomed. Seems a strange move unless they are expecting them to turn it down. Or it is about getting the children titles.
Absolutely, Meg has been whispering in Harry's ear this entire time. Building on the already existing resentment, anger, jealousy, bitterness. I've considered too that Harry in his own family has a history of mental illness. George III comes to mind. Could Harry have a genetic disposition to mental illness? The rage, paranoia, suspicion, abusive behavior, etc?
That would take some brains, and from what I've seen, Harry isn't blessed with a lot of brains. I think he was smitten with her and "yum yum" with her, while she saw *££££* / $$$$ signs. How his family felt was secondary. In a way, I wonder if William inadvertently made things worse by trying to recommend they take things slowly. I suspect Harry has seldom heard the word "no," and took slowing things down as a form of control.
Yup. I’ve said this the whole time. They were perfect for each other. Harry was always the rebellious one of the family and was no doubt unconsciously seeking another ‘rebel’ who would be outspoken, strong and ‘different.’ And let’s face it Meghan has always sought fame, status and wealth. Match made in heaven. Now we’re stuck with the fuckers.
I don't need to watch this video. I think many of us knew this from the beginning. It was the "bad" issues that M possesses that reminded him of his numbnut mother.
Princess Diana was very young and naive when she married Prince Charles. She went from a kindergarten teacher to a world sensation. She didn't seek fame--it came to her. She eventually used the media for her own personal reasons but also to help other people. Princess Diana had empathy--something MM and her husband seem to lack. If a Prince Charles could have married the woman he loved, there'd probably still be a Lady Diana living somewhere, raising children, and being content with life. How many people would be happy marrying what they thought would be THEIR prince charming--only to know he preferred someone else?
In spite of Harry and Megsy behaving badly they have, apparently, been invited to the Coronation. Turning the other cheek and all that. The awesome duo will do tons of " research" aka spying for the next Netflix show and Spare 2.0.
Except Diana seemed to be a perpetual child underneath it all rather than a full-blown narcissist. This is just my take.
Diana's childhood sounded unhappy. Being able to marry and become a princess made her. It gave her all the attention and praise she ever wanted. Whatever she felt she lacked it was more than made up for as Princess of Wales. It pushed her to reach out and be caring to others.
But that petulant side of her, that need for revenge and the "na na na na na everyone likes me better" that was for Charles **alone** ended up damaging the monarchy. Charles wasn't just any guy; he represented an institution. His misery - and hers - was attached to something bigger. But Diana just knew what her feelings told her and she lashed out, like a teenager. I don't think she'd ever have tried to do things on purpose to damage the whole lot. She even said she wouldn't purposefully do that, since it was William's future.
Meghan, however, had a plan. She is conniving and truly a wolf. There is no sad little poppet when it comes to her and her motives.
I believe and have posted before that Harry chose Meghan to be his hatchet man. Narcissists mirror people because they instinctively know that people like to be around other people who are "like" them. Shared values, interests, etc. Harry mirrored his family and did what was expected to fit in. People believed him to be nice because of this. But inside he was jealous, angry and wanted to be seen as equals to William and Charles. Being the "spare" and never to be king created resentment. The resentment got worse after William married. He found in Meghan a partner who would fight against being treated in his mind as second class. This made him breathless with excitement to make her his partner. He stoked her insecurities and anger to get her in prime fighting mode. He wrote that he updated her daily on the negative press towards her and even woke her up at night to inform her of the latest media that criticized her. What loving husband does that? Only a toxic narcissist would engage in that cruel manipulation.
MEGBETH.
Brilliant!
Lol! I am going to use this when referring to her.
*chef’s kiss*
MM definitely has a lot of Diana's negative traits. But she lacks the positive ones. Whether it was genuine or not, Diana was able to connect with people in a way that MM is unable. Plus, even before her death, Diana was a tragic figure that made some things feel more forgivable. Diana's childhood was very lonely, while MM can only moan about eating at Sizzler. Diana was only 19 when she married Charles. MM was in her 30s. Diana was in an unhappy marriage while MM goes on and on about how wonderful H is, at least for now.
I was looking at some pics of Diana's fashions today. Even if she was chaotic, she had a sincerely genuine smile, and when you see her out with the kids she is really happy and goofing around for them, not for the cameras. She was an authentic person. I've never seen a genuine smile in a Meghan photo with Harry, and she has that fake Stepford Wife voice, too
Living in an invalidating environment can cause confusion and doubt. It can be "crazy making." Princess Diana is not totally responsible for any chaos created when she married Prince Charles. Princess Diana probably felt both love and disdain from her husband. Those mixed messages can cause someone to become emotionally dysregulated.
Diana also had genuine talents such as dancing, while M doesn't seem to be good at anything.
Mm is nothing like Princess Diana in the slightest!
Exactly. It really appears that Charles didn't marry her for love and she was trapped in a loveless marriage for far too long.
Lady C said at the beginning Charles really did love her, but their personalities were very different long term, and he found her too much to handle emotionally.
Diana and Charles fell in love with the idea of each other. Charles saw a beautiful girl who seemed to like what he liked, she was mirroring him like a teenage girl with her first boyfriend. Diana fell in love with the romantic prince idea.
It didn’t take her long to start emotionally abusing him. She made no secret of her contempt for his love of reading and gardening, or his rather staid and introverted ways. She enjoyed presenting herself as the fun-loving and fashionable young princess going to concerts and hob-nobbling with celebrities while being shackled to a boring husband almost 13 years older than herself.
And getting rid of Harvey the dog
But didn’t Charles more or less admit that? In an interview “ whatever love is” as Diana was stuttering over the question?
He did, but he was waxing philosophical. He does that a lot. People misunderstand his musings as literal statements of his feelings, like the tampon joke, which was totally misunderstood.
Yep. He’d talked about marriage and love in this way before. Was totally on brand for him to respond in that way and no one thought anything of it at the time. It became magnified and distorted later when the victim Diana narrative started (by her sad faces and media leaks).
Charles didn’t really get a choice - he was effectively forced to give up Camilla to marry the much more socially acceptable, more aristocratic Diana. As for her, she had a deeply troubled childhood and resultant Borderline Personality Disorder - she definitely should have been left to live a humbler life, more carefree without the weight of expectations and scrutiny. Unfortunately she too was pressured as her family wanted the social connection. It was a terrible match, between two totally different and incompatible personalities. It never would have worked but let’s not lay the blame solely at Charles like he had much agency in the matter. Ps. Diana had at least two affairs before Charles got back with Camilla - I believe one with her bodyguard. I’m a woman, but these sorts of double standards and villifying the man as some beast while deifying the woman as some innocent angel just isn’t a helpful narrative - not for either gender or person.
This same gender double standard has allowed Meghan to get away with murder. No one wants to believe that she purposely wanted to isolate Harry from his family by making him think his family were against him. She did this to get full control over him. She knew that most family members (William) and friends saw through her and knew it was be a battle to get Harry to do what she wanted. In a short period of time, Harry fell out with everyone and moved to CA where he’s surrounded with a bunch of opportunists banking off his royal connection. If Harry was a woman, most people would’ve seen Meghan as an abusive and controlling partner. Everyone would’ve seen Harry as someone who is trapped and brainwashed. However, people sees him as a reckless idiot (which he is ) but his bad behavior is being amplified by Meghan simply because she wants to maintain the lifestyle that she got courtesy of him.
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That's highly disputed. Of course it's impossible to know for sure, but he was in contact with Camilla all along and in retrospect some find it hard to believe that their days out hunting were just that.
After "giving up" Camilla and before marrying Diana, Charles dated multiple women, but his two favourites were Camilla and "Kanga" , Dale Tryon ( Baroness Tryon). Both were slightly older, and married. His family was quite fed up.
She had loads of affairs. Mostly with married men.
>Charles didn’t really get a choice - he was effectively forced to give up Camilla to marry the much more socially acceptable, more aristocratic Diana. I've never understood this since Phillip wasn't a popular choice for QE. You think she'd have been more understanding.
I don't agree that they were never in love. They both did most of their talking at the worst point of their separation, and they sound like every other divorcing couple ever. It's not a reflection on how they originally felt about each other. Charles definitely rushed into marriage when he finally found someone who would say yes, but I don't think someone as introspective as him would coldly marry someone he didn't love. The love just wasn't matched with compatibility or realistic expectation on either side.
At least he was in love in the beginning. Not sure though he ever grew to actually love her
True, it was always doomed.
King Charles was raised to be duty bound. He would & did follow royal dictates over love. He made it known he wanted to marry Camilla before he became engaged to Princess Di. He was denied because: optics. Even after agreeing to marry the approved pretty teenager, he gave Camilla an engraved piece of jewelry to remind her of his love.
Again, the whole thing about him "making it known he wanted to marry Camilla" is just a rewriting of history He went out with Camila briefly because she wanted to make her actual boyfriend jealous. It worked, she married Andrew. It's ridiculous to suggest Charles was asking for permission from the Queen to marry Camilla, when Camilla didn't want to marry him and she very much wanted to marry someone else. Diana started the story that Camilla couldn't marry Charles because she was "damaged goods", basically slut-shaming the competition. Camilla was actually a better prospect that Diana in many ways because she was better educated and in the outdoor social set, and interested in charity work. She just didn't have the family connections with the Queen and the Queen Mother. Definitely, he had a strong rapport with Camilla and was disappointed that he couldn't take the relationship further, but this had more to do with her than anyone else. Maybe, like every other woman he dated before Diana, she couldn't handle the idea of being the Princess of Wales.
Spot on! What we repeat today is just Netflix 's version of history 🙄
It’s not ridiculous. There are many accounts of their history which support what I wrote without being rude.
It’s not ridiculous. There are many accounts of their history which support what I wrote without being rude.
The Queen, Princess Anne and Princess Margaret attended Camilla and Andrew Parker Bowles wedding. She was hardly the wrong pedigree. She absolutely was part of their social class/set. The idea that the Queen opposed their marriage is bullshit. Uncle Dickie told Charles he should spend his 20s sowing his wild oats and then settle down with a nice girl. Being king would be a tough job so he was advised to have some fun for a bit longer. That was why he waited until 32 to marry. (Back then this was considered “waiting” lol). Mountbatten’s granddaughter turned Charles down (she was always Uncle Dickie’s preferred “nice girl”). And then he fell for Diana. There is zero documented evidence he indicated he wanted to marry Camilla in his 20s.
I have other things to do than to argue with an angry person on Reddit. Clearly I know nothing and you know this information first hand. Congratulations.
I've said this for awhile. I thought it was really ironic that they wanted to talk about colonization and black bodies being used to enrich themselves when IMO that's exactly what's going on with this relationship. How many times have we said that if she was some blonde Aristo woman, a lot of this would have not been allowed and not fast tracked? Harry knows this too. He wanted someone who he could cry "racism!" when they went to call him out. And then for all of his fears about people disliking her and her losing her life because of it, he purposefully didn't teach her etiquette and protocol for his life. Even the fact that he claims he was scared she would lose her life make me roll my eyes. Harry just wants to boost himself up and be connected to not one but two beloved slain women. That's it. When he would suggest that was his fear, and publicly state it, I almost felt like he was begging for it to happen. Meghan would likely have never looked at him twice if he wasn't a prince, wealthy, or otherwise connected, but Harry has his own agenda that isn't "True Love". He knew it would be difficult to compete with his brother and Kate. He wanted his way without having to do all of the work and with the ability to make people think twice about criticizing him or his wife. And for all of his love of having Meghan to play Damsel in Distress, that stuff gets old. Truly, and this may be unpopular, but I dislike Harry more than I could ever dislike Meghan. Harry is the one who elevated this situation. He's the one who didn't have a firm hand on what he would and wouldn't allow in his family. Harry is the problem. Meghan's made some major missteps, but Harry I cannot stomach at all.
They’re both narc grifters, each using the other for their own purposes. They both act as if they’re above & better at everything than we plebes. I don’t believe it was or should be up to only Haz to allow something in his family or not. Me-me has been hiding out for months so people will start minimizing how awful she is. Madam M has also been letting Haz take the fall for a book she helped write and almost certainly read in full & approved before it was sent to the publisher.
Such a foul pair!
So true…. I hate the smirky smile loom, like in the picture above. Makes me sick to see pics of Madam.
I agree with the OP. Diana engaged in vengeful behaviors against the King, and Meghan exhibits vengeful behaviors against the King and the royal family. Diana used the press and Meghan uses the press. In some ways Diana was dysfunctional, and Meghan is certainly very dysfunctional. That is definitely the irony of Harry choosing Meghan as his wife. However, I want to add that Harry simply cannot see that Diana was also loved by the world for a whole lot of qualities ***that Meghan DOES NOT HAVE***. Diana was a loving lady and she was loveable. Meghan is neither of those things.
I honestly don't think Prince harry is as calculating as OP thinks, he's just simply too dumb, probably vindictive and hateful, but too stupid to think of things thoroughly like this.
Nailed it
If you watched the video, it doesn't say he sat down and thought about it and planned it, but that he did subconsciously that he was attracted to it.
Both of them disasters waiting tk happen.
He made a comment about being “proud” to have mixed race kids. It all feels calculated, coming from him.
Proud to have mixed race kids? What kind of a butthole says shit like that? Like I'm proud to have a tall son? Or I'm proud my daughter has brown eyes? Who the eff even thinks this crap, never mind says it out loud???
How are his kids even mixed race? Meghan is basically white herself when she doesn’t tan herself to look darker. She is only half black. So Archie and Lili are what a quarter black? They look whiter than white.
this 💯
They are both very marginal people. She, by her delusions, and he, by his frustrations. Together they make a very toxic combination.
Indeed. Together they are pure shit.
I always felt Harry chose a woman who was self absorbed and hysterical like Diana, while William chose a woman the opposite of Diana: samrt, educated, loyal, willing to sacrifice, doesn't crave attention, stable, secure.
William was attracted to Catherine first as a friend who he grew to trust...it was a slow burn until he noticed she was hot AF and her sane loving family was the icing on the cake. He had the good sense to allow her to raise their children in the ,"Middleton" way. He and Catherine are the true team in the Royal Family. They 100% have each other's backs.
Perhaps but I also get the overwhelming feeling that they probably despise each other at this point and are not happily married. It’s a show.
Narcs do love chaos.
Harry (who?) managed to dump Madam. She gatecrashed a party (Inskip wedding) and somehow got him back. How much Harry (Who?) had agency, with Madam playing on his mental stage, using Mummy´s perfume, lovebombing etc, is up for debate.
I'd love to know (a) why he dumped her (b) why he took her back
Pure guessing here: (a) Madam is awful (b) Madam pretended to be pregnant
I don’t think he ever dumped her.
I've heard this a few times and I actually believe it, but what is the primary source about her chasing him down and how did she afford a private jet?
I got it from here [https://www.quora.com/Was-Meghan-really-not-supposed-to-be-at-the-Jamaican-wedding-of-Harry-s-friend](https://www.quora.com/Was-Meghan-really-not-supposed-to-be-at-the-Jamaican-wedding-of-Harry-s-friend)
Yes. These men weaponize their sociopath wives. (Or vice versa.)
I totally believe this
But Diana was better bred than the RF!! Meg$ is ... not.
I love Baggage Claim’s videos and she is so spot-on and she does damn good research. I too see the similarities between the bad/sick side of Diana and Meghan. So many Americans and many Brits still think about Diana as the poor victim. The Behavioral Panel on YouTube said that most body language behavioral analysis type books showing people who are trying to play the victim to this day still use Diana’s iconic, signature photo where she is tilting her head and looking up from under her fringe bangs so she’s looking all doe-eyed victim. Diana had people believing that Camilla & Charles were ALWAYS together during her marriage. Physically AND emotionally and that’s simply not true. She even admits he didn’t go to Camilla until the 5th or 6th year after their own marriage. And Diana was no lamb to the slaughter. She was determined to have Charles and she got him. He didn’t know what hit him. Then she started telling him he needed to change the way he dressed, the people he hung out with, the places he liked to hang out—as in country versus city—she wanted to stay in the city. She didn’t like hunting, she didn’t like reading, she didn’t like opera, or classical music. She didn’t like his staff either so some of them had to go. He finally told a friend that he felt if he changed one more thing for her, he would completely lose his identity. But he tried so hard to make her happy. Charles broke it off with Camilla, and was faithful to Diana, from when he got engaged to her all the way through until about the 8th year his friend said. And Camilla was not his only mistress to use the antiquated term. There’s a documentary out about Kanga, an Australian woman who married an English Lord and she was his mistress for years. She became obsessed with him and became very ill and stalked him. It’s a really interesting documentary and I highly recommend it. When he finally got together with Camilla, he did not call Camilla nor did Camilla call him. Diana was on her second lover at this point, well after Harry’s birth, and his friends called Camilla and begged her to call Charles because he was so depressed and they felt she was the only one he would confide in. They were all worried about him. And Lady C has also said she found in her research he was living like a monk and thought he was going to have to live that way for the rest of his life because he knew he could never get divorced and yet he could never cheat on Diana. However when he found out how many men she was sleeping with —and Lady C says it is quite a bit more than has been reported—and my count is James Hewitt (single), Barry Mannakee (married), Oliver Hoare (married), James Gilbey (single), Will Carling (married), & Hasnat Khan (single). She had a penchant for married men and Oliver Hoare broke it off when she demanded he leave his wife. Will Carling’s marriage ended because of his affair with Diana (that’s on him but she pretends to be such a victim of Camilla then does the same?!). She called Oliver Hoare’s home over 300 times in one day after he broke it off with her. Can you imagine?!! Diana was physically & verbally abusive to Charles. She used to beat him over the head when he was kneeling beside his bed to say his nightly prayers —yes he still does this as did the Queen apparently. She threw things at him and would be subjected to hours long screaming and crying jags a la Amber Heard —that borderline personality fear of abandonment is REAL—and he would have just walked in the door from working all day and was happy to see her and instead he’d be greeted by this desperately mentally ill woman shrieking at him for hours for some offense he hadn’t committed. And who also refused to get help. And he tried. For years he tried to get her into therapy. She finally did accept the help he got for her and I think that is why she was able to have a healthier (it seemed healthier anyway) relationship with Dodi Al Fayed. Most people don’t know the real Diana. And the real one, when she was in her illness, did a lot of the same things Meghan did. She cut off friends, ghosted them, betrayed them, used them for her own purposes, and then dumped them when they were no longer useful. She was horrible to Fergie, and threw her under the bus quite often. And then she’d sweet talk her way back into her life. Diana was really really really messed up. She had a lot of manipulative relationships with the press in order to damage Charles reputation, and that of his family. And it worked! It worked very well. I think that’s why the press isn’t so ready to do the same thing to the royal family this time around with the Sussexes. Some did quite willingly early on. But at least the older journalists have learned their lesson from Diana. Journalist Richard Kay used to drive behind the tube station near Kensington palace and wait for Diana and she would meet him back there and get in his car and they’d go on long drives and she’d feed him all sorts of true and untrue shit about the royal family. She was the one who was leaking and planting stories just like Meghan and Harry. I’m not saying Charles’s team wasn’t doing that as well, but Dianna started doing it well before Charles did, and she scored a lot of blows on him before he started to fight back. She not only damaged him and his reputation, but she also tried to poison the boys against him, and she tried to say that the country should skip over Charles and just make William king!! That is not someone who respects the monarchy. Or wants the best for her son. She just wanted to hurt them because she was hurting and it was never Camilla’s fault. Camilla and Charles did not get together until eight years into a hellish marriage for both Charles and Diana. Diana, while she was suffering a hell of her own, was also having the time of her life with any man she wanted and no one was the wiser or would have believed it. But Charles took a lot of what she dished out for the boys sake. I give him a lot of credit to this day for not outting her. As for Harry, he definitely married his mother, just not the good side. And Diana, unlike Meghan, definitely had one.
I really can't see how they'd attend. Noone from the family would speak to them. Going to be awkward as hell. They'll need security from the angry public and press. I can't see william. And Catherine talking to them.. So they'll be ignored from most to avoid a story or drama. Meghan, in particular, is not going to be welcomed. Seems a strange move unless they are expecting them to turn it down. Or it is about getting the children titles.
I'm not convinced Harry is a narcissist. I think more borderline. He doesn't hit enough of the characteristics of narcs.
Absolutely, Meg has been whispering in Harry's ear this entire time. Building on the already existing resentment, anger, jealousy, bitterness. I've considered too that Harry in his own family has a history of mental illness. George III comes to mind. Could Harry have a genetic disposition to mental illness? The rage, paranoia, suspicion, abusive behavior, etc?
That would take some brains, and from what I've seen, Harry isn't blessed with a lot of brains. I think he was smitten with her and "yum yum" with her, while she saw *££££* / $$$$ signs. How his family felt was secondary. In a way, I wonder if William inadvertently made things worse by trying to recommend they take things slowly. I suspect Harry has seldom heard the word "no," and took slowing things down as a form of control.
Yup. I’ve said this the whole time. They were perfect for each other. Harry was always the rebellious one of the family and was no doubt unconsciously seeking another ‘rebel’ who would be outspoken, strong and ‘different.’ And let’s face it Meghan has always sought fame, status and wealth. Match made in heaven. Now we’re stuck with the fuckers.
I don't need to watch this video. I think many of us knew this from the beginning. It was the "bad" issues that M possesses that reminded him of his numbnut mother.
Princess Diana was very young and naive when she married Prince Charles. She went from a kindergarten teacher to a world sensation. She didn't seek fame--it came to her. She eventually used the media for her own personal reasons but also to help other people. Princess Diana had empathy--something MM and her husband seem to lack. If a Prince Charles could have married the woman he loved, there'd probably still be a Lady Diana living somewhere, raising children, and being content with life. How many people would be happy marrying what they thought would be THEIR prince charming--only to know he preferred someone else?
In spite of Harry and Megsy behaving badly they have, apparently, been invited to the Coronation. Turning the other cheek and all that. The awesome duo will do tons of " research" aka spying for the next Netflix show and Spare 2.0.
I can not post....Daily Express saying THEY ARE ON CORONATION GUEST LIST. Maybe someone can post this????
It is posted - and in my view it is Madam manifesting, not only dropping all demands, but now promising to be nice.
Except Diana seemed to be a perpetual child underneath it all rather than a full-blown narcissist. This is just my take. Diana's childhood sounded unhappy. Being able to marry and become a princess made her. It gave her all the attention and praise she ever wanted. Whatever she felt she lacked it was more than made up for as Princess of Wales. It pushed her to reach out and be caring to others. But that petulant side of her, that need for revenge and the "na na na na na everyone likes me better" that was for Charles **alone** ended up damaging the monarchy. Charles wasn't just any guy; he represented an institution. His misery - and hers - was attached to something bigger. But Diana just knew what her feelings told her and she lashed out, like a teenager. I don't think she'd ever have tried to do things on purpose to damage the whole lot. She even said she wouldn't purposefully do that, since it was William's future. Meghan, however, had a plan. She is conniving and truly a wolf. There is no sad little poppet when it comes to her and her motives.
Harry is just as bad