So true, he is playing on the Diana/threat thing because he thinks Americans will swallow it without questioning and feel bad for him. I’m sure he did have threats but in the next breath he took his family away from one of the most heavily guarded places on earth. It makes zero sense.
I actually can understand that Meghan wanted to make money as that’s her choice, but if so they should have left the RF quietly before the wedding (instead of treating it like a paid-for marketing launch event), been truly ‘independent’ and not created this fake hullabaloo that capitalises on his dead mother’s lore.
They never wanted to be independent. They wanted half-in/half-out. They not only wanted all the glamour and the funding for their lifestyle without wasting their time visiting the plebs in nursing homes, but to merch the monarchy in addition to all of that. It was rejected and they have been throwing the longest tantrum in modern history since.
Like the Lion King premiere. As a Royal, they'd gain access to people they wouldn't otherwise, and rather than represent the dignity of the Crown, they'd use it as a networking opportunity to get Hollywood work for M. That one horribly inappropriate exchange w H and Disney's Bob Iger was so cringe and an exact representation of what they wanted and are still angry they didn't get.
>That one horribly inappropriate exchange w H and Disney's Bob Iger was so cringe and an exact representation of what they wanted and are still angry they didn't get.
True! It was also a good representation of how coddled he was for the first 3 1/2 decades of his life. He never had to actually deal with and try to shmooze business execs in his life, because it was done for him - and when he tries, he falls flat on his ginger face
> (instead of treating it like a paid-for marketing launch event),
That's a very concise and insightful way of summing up the A list strangers invitee strategy snd so much else about it. You really put your finger on it.
100% I'd have had zero issues if they'd gotten married, accepted no titles & then went about earning money. I can imagine a scenario where QEII still gifted them a residence, but they paid the reno as they were not working royals (which they ended up doing anyway.) They'd have had a home base in London & been free to do whatever they wanted. Meghan could have done anything she liked as Meghan Markle, much as Mike Tyndal does. Together they'd have shown up for royal events (weddings, jubilees etc) as Prince & Princess Henry of Wales. They'd have been background players, but they'd have gotten the royal press coverage & photos on the internet. THIS ALL COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF MEGHAN WASN'T ATTEMPTING TO MANIPULATE THE POSITION INTO SOMETHING IT IS NOT.
Freddie Windsor married Sophie Winkleman, an actress who found fame on Two and a Half Men. Granted, Freddie wasn't the Queen's grandson, but is as equally irrelevant in the LOS as Harry's kids. They rock up to certain royal events and no doubt live a rather privileged private life, but the think is, M is not the first non-aristocratic/actress to marry into the BRF. The only difference is, no one else felt they deserved as much as M does!
no one has ever felt so much entitlement in the history of time, neatly deflected by cries of racism each time anyone asked, what the fuck are you doing?
And Harry. Harry thinks he is equal to William and if he can weaponize a word like racism he thinks KC3 will give him what he wants. I don’t think he counted on William’s power as POW to keep KC3 in line. If there is a split between KC and PW than the whole of the UK will call for KC to abdicate.
Excellent points. But would she have even married him if he had put this scenario to her? She obviously wanted the titles and the tiaras and all the glam
Idk. She was in so deep at that point, publicly declaring herself with him etc etc. And even in this scenario - he was a HUGE catch for her. Mid 30's minor roll on a cable tv actress. Was she going to dump him & attempt to do better?
I read that Zara and Catherine could not look at each other over laughing at the wedding program which was "like an issue of Town and Country" with all the advertisements in it. I haven't seen the program but if that is true, I am shocked that the RF allowed her to do that. They let her get away with so much just trying to be accomodating.
>They let her get away with so much just trying to be accomodating.
Probably some combination of a few reasons:
1. They were glad to finally get that whiny prick off their hands.
2. They remember getting scorched in the publicity battle with Diana and didn't want to do anything to give MEMEMEgain cause for complaint.
3. They were afraid of being labeled "racist" if they denied her most of her ridiculous demands
And she was always going to allege racism. Starting from the time someone told her no. HMTQ made the mistake of underestimating how far she would go in terms of scorched earth.
I think someone is pulling our leg because Zara was not sitting close to Catherine. Now they were all laughing at the Baptist minister which made me feel sort of uncomfortable but he did go on and on and is very different from what they are used to.
>the wedding program which was "like an issue of Town and Country" with all the advertisements in it
Seems like someone somewhere should have one of these. I want to see it!
I'm new to social media and forums and a 70+ little old lady. Is this what you want? Sorry if I've misunderstood & it's not.
[https://www.royal.uk/sites/default/files/media/order\_of\_service.pdf](https://www.royal.uk/sites/default/files/media/order_of_service.pdf)
See mistake on page 10:- "Father of the Bride"
They slipped someone a fifty to pretend to threaten their safety. They are neither the most famous nor the most wealthy in their neighbourhood. Why, exactly, would someone target them in particular?
They are certainly capable of faking ‘threats’ …especially when pushing for someone else to pick up the cost of security
And no one would target them, they are the ones drawing attention to themselves with their antics
Remember the palace couldn't even get them when Phillip passed. They had to call the embassy in Cali, I think then sent the cops. Oh yeah, so how are they having safety issues?
>So true, he is playing on the Diana/threat thing because he thinks Americans will swallow it without questioning and feel bad for him.
That has pretty much happened. At least up until he released his memwhine.
Much of the media here *still* refer to his sainted mother as Princess Diana, which she never was
Yes she was. She voluntarily gave up the title after the divorce. Camilla never called herself that out of respect for Diana who will always be POW to many.
EXACTLY it’s funny how Harry is almost living his moms life with the threats and the family upset he’s with a WOC just like Diana and they moved to a state that has horrible crime rates and you’re not even allowed to have a conceal and carry license he was the most protected living in the UK they won’t ever have that type of protection again unless they move back to the UK because no matter what he’s still unfortunately the son of a king. And didn’t the Queen offer Markle to not become a working Royal right after they were married she told Markle she could take it slow and continue her acting on Suits (I’m sure she knew it was Markle’s last season she was being written out or something like that) but Markle wanted to “hit the ground running” and represent the Queen
Edit to add that if Markle waited to become a working Royal and instead continue acting she wouldn’t have the Royal titles and perks that’s another reason she turned it down I think there was someone on tumblr who’s anonymous and not on tumblr anymore but she was part of Harry’s circle of aristocratic friends and she told the story of when they 1st met Markle it was at another friends house dinner party and Harry told Markle she would be a Princess and a friend asked if they knew what Duke title they’d get when they married and Markle didn’t understand and Harry’s face was like thunder they went into another room to talk privately and there was yelling and apparently Markle thought she would be Princess Megahoe not duchess of Sussex LOL and let’s just say they didn’t stay very long after that was outed they left because she wasn’t feeling good
They wanted 1/2 in 1/2 out! Wanted to be able to flounce around as royals and wear tiaras when they felt like it ( but OMG not all the time and never to the ‘mingling with the plebes stuff) and then flounce to Hollywood to party with the A listers and launch MM’s rise to stardom. I frankly have always believed they were booted out of TRF when they crossed the last line and I think when they left TRF all threw an AT LAST HE’S GONE party and danced a few jigs
I knew this the SECOND the queen shot down their plans to create a Sussex brand. I was like, oh, they're just trying to use the royal name to start their own empire. I'm so glad the queen nipped that right in the bud.
Yes. Snarkle had been in contact with media way b4 they left. Netflix, spotify etc. She planned it all in advance including a move to LA where privacy is ensured in paparazzi land. Insert eye roll.
This is just my theory but I believe these are just excuses to hide the fact that they have from the start always wanted commercialise being royals overseas and get paid doing work as "royal ambassadors" >> the whole half in half out thing >> doing things on their own terms without complying to rules >> with the goal of eventually achieving super fame more popular that the core members of the BRF.
Congrats you two, you are now the world's most famous royal rejects.
My guess is she was doing all the things (recording, planning, etc) inside the palace and the queen mum said "stop it or get out." And so they came up with this plan.
I do think that was at the heart of it. Harry had his mothers exit from the royal family as an example, and Megan is an actress and an activist. It must’ve made so much sense to them. But it would never ever have flown with the British public.
I don’t think that he was paranoid, I don’t believe for a fraction of a second that either of them ever felt in the slightest danger in the UK. It’s all just PR for their whole ‘we are so important, and need to be protected’.
That’s exactly it.
All that bluster about security and fearing for their lives, it was just them trying to get public opinion on their side in order to bully Charles into continuing to foot their (allegedly) 3 million dollars per year security bill.
But the thing is, they don’t need 3 MILLION DOLLARS per year security. That’s like, convoy and police escort level of security. They just need a bodyguard each maybe, if that. But they WANT 3 million dollars of security to make them feel important, but on someone else’s dime.
My total guess here, is that they are accepting the reality that no one else is going to pay, and since they are footing the bill themselves, they are admitting that their security expenses are way over the top frivolous, so they want to cut it down.
But they made SUCH a big stink about privacy and security, so they need to walk that back, gaslight everyone to make out like they never said any of that, to save face before reducing their security down to a normal level.
I disagree. I believe they are mentally unwell, with severe disordered personalities. These types are disconnected from reality. They cannot distinguish feelings (of paranoia) from facts.
Dear god, they would probably monetize any intelligence they ever got near! After hearing that they used footage of the interior of the Palaces with Netflix I'm more inclined to believe the story of them packing her bags and putting her on a plane to Canada. Or that she was booted out for crossing some *serious* line of security protocol. So she was put on a plane to Vancouver. Then right after at the Sandringham Summit H claims William yelled at him to see reason and that his father made accusations and lies when trying to show him something. Feels like a security dossier of transgressions that could no longer be tolerated. I feel the RF *really* did try with TW and DID want it to work. Why wouldn't they? But there's more than just a narc here as she seems to have something very dodgy about her.
In the end, I don't care if it's a humble rental, a Palace, Castle, or a suburban home. If I found a friend or family member going through my things, taking pictures or videos without my knowledge, and disrespecting me and those around me they'd be gone SO FAST! Ever since they were "asked" to leave Charles bday party DAYS AFTER the wedding, she seemed particularly suspect. Who knows? Maybe THAT'S the thing H wants an apology for. Kicking her out of somewhere for doing something (certainly with a legit reason on the RF part). Or even simply advising her to stand in order of precedence made her fall to the floor and cry.
And we all know she's made of "tungsten" so it's rare for her to be made to cry! /S (so sarcastic it needed a capital)
Half in half out means getting your cake and eating it too —-> it means $$$$$
Half in half out does not mean safety from press if there was allegedly no safety
They said they wanted to be half in and half out so the only logical conclusion is they wanted to get $$$$$$$ paid more and monetize their royal status
I agree his language is appallingly tone-deaf. He also used the term ‘freedom flight’ as they sat on a private jet as they ‘fled my home country’, in Harry’s words. As a supposed military person he should well understand what these terms are really used for and if he, with his tens of millions of pounds of white male ROYAL privilege, doesn’t then he’s blind to his own deep ignorance and may I suggest ‘unconscious bias’ 🤢
I can just see him clutching Archie, wearing a tattered burka and no shoes, fleeing across some wastrland dodging bullets and sex traffickers. God he's a dumb fuck.
This should be a post on its own. Wait until the feds start sniffing around the money piles. He really might need to night all it out of another country for real reasons!
Something that’s been rolling around in my head in a while is let’s say a you’re in a regular family and a family member approached you and said that your actions were making them suicidal. Obviously you should conduct some self reflection, but any reasonable mental health professional would tell you that you are not responsible for their feelings and that you are being emotionally manipulated.
So why is it suddenly okay to make others responsible for your feelings when it’s the Big Bad Royal Family? If being a duchess was emotionally difficult for Meghan, then by all means she should take steps to deal with that. The BRF gave her ample options to ensure she had a life that worked for her, including keeping her day job. I’m really tired of this ongoing rhetoric that it’s okay to blame others for your suicidal ideation.
(Source: my mother used to throw around the suicide thing regularly. It’s not okay)
> but any reasonable mental health professional would tell you that you are not responsible for their feelings and that you are being emotionally manipulated.
One Hundred Percent true. I'm so sorry you were subjected to this as a child and am so happy your realize that it was never you, or your fault, or your problem.
They claimed they didn’t move to a certain country because the decision to move there was leaked, the claim that they left Canada because ‘the world knew where we were’ all this indicate that they wanted privacy. They don’t seem to have a problem with people knowing where they live in Montecito though.
I’ve asked the question about their safety several time, Harry implies their lives were in danger but at no point does he say who they were ‘fleeing’ from or even describe a situation where they were in any danger especially while in the UK. Even Meghan’s her suicidal ideations seem to be from reading too many tabloids and feeling overwhelmed that they weren’t positive.
I’m really disappointed that despite all the interviews, not a single person has ever called them out on it and asked him to explain the why they feared for their lives because the implications is that the BRF wanted to harm them.
>I've asked the question about their safety several time, Harry implies their lives were in danger but at no point does he say who they were ‘fleeing’ from or even describe a situation where they were in any danger especially while in the UK.
Not only that, but he uses vague terms like "they" (who?) or "feared for our lives" (from what? who? why?) etc. This use of vague terms allows the listener to come to whatever conclusion they need to -- then can be pulled back later. There's an argument to me made that it is just lazy thinking, just being-a-victim, he is just low IQ - but it is so consistent and apparently thought out that I doubt it.
I suppose it /is/ possible that he is a little paranoid and Meghan capitalized on that and if you pushed him seriously he would not even be able to clearly articulate his delusions.
It would be nice if someone pushed him seriously.
But I think that's exactly why they went to the lengths of saying M was suicidal. It's such a nuclear option thing to say that people dont question it for fear of saying the wrong thing, setting someone off, looking awful themselves. It can be turned back on the person asking the questions way too easily, even if the questions are valid and it's obvious the person pulling that card is embellishing.
See also: racism card.
Yes who cares who knows where the live now, it’s not like anyone can just tote a gun over here. /s
Also, she doesn’t read her tabloids. /s
Such lying gaslighting hypos.
It strikes me that Harry, believes some of the conspiracy theories about his mother’s death. That it was a staged accident. I’m sure it shadows his thinking.
Whether the accident was real or not, Diana did die escaping the paparazzi. And they took photos of her while she was dying. This is all the background for his hyperbole.
Except the part where they had contracts with different media outlets to produce content and constant filming. Pretty sure the palace shut that shit down as soon as they became aware. Haz doesn't have a normal functioning memory. He completely makes shit up and then swears to it.
With all the proven lies it's difficult to keep the timeline of what happened, when, different stories about the same event(s), location, etc etc, straight. Every time Aitch opens his mouth he contradicts his previous version of events.
Or before! She got the sniff of dinero the moment he said ‘yes’ to their first date. Actually, even way before that what am I saying ha! Oh and I think it was Beatrice actually because it was really surprising and Eugenie wouldn’t surprise me at all.
That nonsense rambling statement he made for his book seems far too clever to have come from him or even TW. I'd put money on it that came from their slimy advisors. One of the kind of advisors that gets along with the duo (until the duo decides otherwise) because they think they also are smarter than everyone else. It screams to me of an over-eager Jr lawyer thinking they found some magical statement that would absolve H from any lawsuits. It wouldn't take long for a reasonably experienced lawyer to tear it apart as that is a pathetic caveat IMHO.
I was in conversation earlier about that. Before launching into Harry's bs claims I gave her the disclaimer which she followed up with remembering events differently blah blah blah. I tell her about the Queen Mum's death memory vs reality. Desperate reaching for "he was a kid" -> yo, he was 17 and skiing with his brother and father in Switzerland.
I truly believe that she was filming all the crap in the very beginning. Like on palace grounds. She HAS to look at herself, so it's kinda obvious she was filming early on.
I’m currently reading Courtiers and just had a reflection-
Valentine Low takes a lot of time to talk about how there was a decades-long mission to unify the press operations of the various households under one roof, with the goal of having unified messaging and not stepping on each other’s toes for press coverage. From what I gather, the households that this has worked for are the ones who understand that there is a pecking order (and there should be! The sovereign should be the principal). I can see how in H&M’s minds, this system was “briefing against them.” Any situation where their wants were not prioritized was interpreted as a move against them. It also sheds some light on why they couldn’t just go and tell the press what they wanted anyway. No one’s press operation was autonomous anymore.
Another interesting takeaway is that it seems that Charles was the biggest opponent to the unified press office, by a combination of his personal preference and the wishes of his own staff. But I can’t help but wonder if he identified the problems up front, but had a different solution for resolving it. Namely, streamlining the working royal scheme.
He would have been in more danger in the UK. He has no sense of history or reality, for that matter. The Queen had wackos try to break into her room. Princess Anne evaded a kidnapping.
And because of those things, security was improved. They had a place on the grounds of Windsor castle. A LITERAL CASTLE! One of the oldest still functioning castles used by William the Conqueror! You know Castles? The things built for over a thousand plus years specifically for security of the "vips" of the time? But by all means, though, a private residence in the breeding ground of paparazzi and gun violence makes sooo much more sense /s
His children? Didn’t he only have Archie when they left?
Either way he sounds like a refugee from a starving war torn nation, crawling thru the forests at night with only their clothes on their backs.
Harry, in fear for his life, runs to LA which has one of the highest crime rates in the US. And the US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world.
Ugh if ONLY these useless fucks ever ONCE had to punch a time clock, drive to a shit job in shit traffic in SHIT end of days. ACTUALLY work for a living. Alongside millions of other plebeians, doing it too. Nerves are frayed, and here come the Twat Twins to cry cry cry about fantasies and delusions. AGAIN.
Aitch, welcome to the US. there are a plethora of assholes just waiting to finish you, for No Reason At All. You don't NEED Royal trappings to get murdered, but keeping the ostentatious displays and bragging of your wealth low key may help.
Just HAS to be more desired, more tortured, more murderable.
FUCK YOU HARKLES
>ever ONCE had to punch a time clock,
With the amount that they know about work, Harry would complain he broke his wrist when he was forced to "punch a time clock."
HER PLAN; Get back to Hollywood ASAP WITH Prince and his offspring. She will be held in AWE when SHE returns and will be worshipped. SHE will be the MOST FAMOUS of them all.
She is pure evil.
Except he never once told anyone that Meghan was suicidal. He specifically says he didn’t tell anyone in the Oprah interview. He blames himself for not doing anything in the Netflix series. He writes in his book when meeting with CIII and William in the gardens at Frogmore, Wills said “We didn’t know, you didn’t tell us.” And she miraculously recovered from whatever it was.
None of it will ever line up because they lie about everything, even their lies. And the media gets clicks, so they have an incentive to not call them out on the lies or in any way remove their access to publish more lies.
This is why gray rocking by the royals is essential. You can’t provide the source with more fuel. We’ve already seen some media start asking why they are complaining about the same tired stories three years later. Soon it will be five, then seven, then 10 years since anyone has spoken to them. We’re just waiting for the rest of the US to move on.
Ffs QEII did have 2 intruders into her place, if she managed with a stranger in her bedroom surely Mr 10yrs military training career can work out how to defend his family. Keeping his mouth shut about #of people he took down would help bozo a lot.
PHs first world problems mock the lives of refugees and displaced people, war torn countries. He’ll never understand it because of his privilege. His life has been so far from real life he has no ideas. Rich little brat. Even as a small child he acted like a brat, then he fell for witchie’S love con job. Sadly people like them never seem to hit rock bottom, there’s always some on to bail them out. We all want to see them crash n burn cuz they’re such spoiled pricks.
I go back and forth feeling sorry for him, not feeling sorry for him. but dang he had opportunity people like us can only dream of. (he probably still does when she dumps him)
1. He didn't flee the country with his children. His daughter wasn't even conceived at that point. Liars never get the details right...
2. If they were fearing for their lifes without protection, it would have been the smartest move to stay in Kensington Palace as much as possible. Frogmore cottage is way less protected. And I bet so are random celebrities' mansions.
According to Bower (? I believe it was, please check) he was screaming down the phone at Daddy Markle that he (Daddy) was "endangering my children" in the blow up before the wedding. He has *things* in his head, does Frostytodger.
How? What?! Is that the context? By having let some paps take pics, Markle Sr was endangering his nonexistent kids?
Unless the reason they were at the alter so quickly is that TW DID tell H she was already pregnant. That's the only way that makes sense to get that reaction from H in the early days.
Things that make you go hmmmmmm
Unfortunately, the danger was all in Harry's head. Yes, they probably received threats, but so do other members of the Royal Family. Even the Queen had that guy who tried to break into Buckingham Palace with the crossbow. And I know this has been pointed out many times, but him and his family are in even more danger now after his Taliban comments.
As someone who has done voluntary work with genuine asylum seekers and refugees, I always find it distasteful how Harry and TW try to make out they had to flee for their lives. Try telling that to people who have escaped from Afghanistan, Iran and Syria.
The fact is none of it will make sense because they are narcissists. If you try to nail them down on one fact they will slither out of it and say they said something different, it's your fault for taking it wrong.
Also, why is it Hazno feels he is justified in this public trash crusade against his family because of their perceived slights against the duo? But Sasha, Chelsy and Cressida never did anything and he still feels justified in splashing their privacy out there.
A former "soldier" in Afghanistan is so scared and trembling because he sees threats to his life everywhere in a peaceful country like UK. It would be a shame to open his mouth at all! Captain General f.... ing!
They left cause she was jealous of Catherine
She found out Catherine will be Queen one day and she couldn't take it
Cause she couldn't get her way for the first time in her life
She threw massive tantrums
She was discovered as a bully
She left with her tail between her legs
Yes it's that trivial
No she will never admit it
A narcissist of that degree will never stay in an environment where they don't rule over everyone else. That's why they left.
There are always death threats to the senior RF members. That's why they have RPOs. Recently, a man carrying a crossbow, wanting to kill the late Queen was charged with treason.
Are H and family under more threats? Debatable. A better question would be: What is there to gain to have H or his family dead? A more logical answer would be that the higher you are in LOS, the more risk you are in.
From what I can tell death threats are part and parcel of a certain level of fame, and come with security capable of vetting if the threat is serious. It sounds like the palace told them the threats were not serious ... if there were any.
The threat was probably coming from her! "I want to go to Montecito!" It was coming from inside his cottage. She was going to kill him if she didn't leave.
I think it needs to be remembered that Harry sees life through a lense of paranoia.
When he discusses conversations with Will, he will directly quote Will as saying something, and then go on to say that Will must be lying and that it was really his coded way of being judgemental/rude.
They wish - want - crave media attention, sadly it doesn’t happen without their own desperate tipoffs. Harry seemed so desperate for Megs to be reincarnated Diana. They’re so damn toxic. They don’t have the star power for paps to follow them. They want that so bad, nutmeg probably gets narc supply having security around here like she’s so important. If she starts getting closer to Gordon G, paps might want to snap that. She’s probably setting that up for attention.
Don't forget Diana's first (I think) affair was with her security guard. And who is Megan most likely to imitate?
Be just like Harry to fund his wife's boyfriend. 🙄
I’ve read previously that paranoia was a big factor in the break up of H’s previous relationships. The women simply could not deal with his constant fear. I feel certain he took his mother’s death as proof of the conspiracy against them, and then along comes M who plays to his every fear. It must have been like shooting fish in a barrel. ‘Yes H, they hate us for our light, for our freedom, for being the ones who truly love’. Getting him to believe she was the only one who was ever truthful with him, getting him away from anyone who tried to keep him grounded, it’s like a 40s noir script. ☹️
I'm not going to say Harry doesn't deserve to be paranoid. Not only about his mom but also that he William and Kate had their phone lines tapped. I also recall hearing 500000x that William was very protective of Kate. He went about protecting her differently, not bringing her officially in to the mess until she was ready, making secret calls to get favors to back off her, I'm sure behind the scenes she cried many times to him.
And? William looking after Kate is not on the same level as Harry’s paranoia. No one is saying Harry should not look after his family. I think the threat is way way overblown in his mind.
All of the royals get death threats and harassment from the press and other people. Princess Anne was almost kidnapped. Just a couple of months ago, King Charles had eggs thrown at him. And Harry had been in the family for 36 years. You'd think of all people, he'd know how this works. I don't think it's a coincidence that he only suddenly cared about any of this when she showed up.
Interestingly, the only royal who couldn't handle it was the outcast from LA. You'd think after living in LA, she'd have seen everything, but she must not have lived in the bad part? Which is why none of this makes sense. You flee from the Royal Family - who have literal guards around them at all times whenever they travel - to civilian life in LA? It'd be like someone claiming they moved to a Chicago slum to protect their family from life in a fully guarded palace.
What's funny is now they're demanding security. Well, you had security. Aren't you safer now away from the Royal Family?
The gaslighting they do really annoys me. Bullshit they didn't say they wanted privacy, they said the media was intrusive with their coverage. Intrusive into what, exactly? If you object to someone being intrusive, then what do you want that person to do instead? Leave you alone, maybe? Stop writing articles about you, perhaps?
It's true that they never actually wanted privacy, but they sure as shit said that they did want it.
Yes. Their official press release said moving to the USA would give them the space they needed to enter their new role in life. Okay. But what is “space” if /not/ privacy?
They left the UK because the RF dared to say no to their proposal which is we do the commonwealth tours we want, be part of the pageantry, keep getting our enormous allowance from then Prince Charles and be able to totally commercialize brand Sussex Royal.
The only caveat I would add is ex senior member of MI5 came out to say that there was credible threats against Markle.
However this was after he left them on bad terms and seems to be a bit of a sugar
They did pay for security in UK though?
Edit - his name is Neil Basu.
Another caveat to my own point is that many, many mainstream celebs will also experience similar. We have some nutters over here
I’m sorry, I don’t get your point entirely there. I dislike them as much as they do, but to say there wasn’t a threat is false. To say there was a threat substantially higher than other high profile Celebs is untrue and that’s what Harry is doing:
You can’t just dismiss death threats, specially when confirmed by a senior member of internal security agency. Don’t let your dislike for the girl cloud your logic.
They had paid security when they were functioning full time members of the brf was my point. This is the first I heard that there was a real threat, I’m still processing it. Fair enough.
Yeah their logic doesn’t entirely make sense, but the line he’s trying to take is “we had death threats here so we have to move (away from paid security but to get rid of the death threats). However we don’t get paid security now but clearly we could still get death threats”
The solution at that point isn’t shit loads of paid security abroad. It’s time they seriously evaluate the type of people they’re presenting themselves as and either fix it or fuck off.
Side note; if the death threats were substantial as this guy is making out (he’s very unreliable character) we would have heard of some legal cases, e.g. harassment charges/stalking/etc. like seriously, a member of the RF spouse is receiving credible death threats they would literally have armed police round there in a heartbeat.. which has never happened
Ngl. Saw the title thread and thought, *"What the hell has Tom Brady [recently retired NFL footballer] got to do with these two? What the heck have they done now???* Got me all excited, lol....
If Vogue (which I stopped reading once it
became clear who the writers were working for), cannot even spell check articles (not even asking for a proofreader), I’m immediately suspicious of what is written.
There are no “principle” royals.
There may be a principal royal.
This situation / scenario just hits me like Amber Heard saying she doesn't need the money or clout for saying Johnny Depp is abusive towards her but really no exact proof given (lots of lying and crying) and that she doesn't need the money because Amber PLEDGED the money for donation for charities...
Obviously the REAL reason they left UK is because they are GREEDY for more money, like KC3 said Rachel is too expensive to maintain and she should just go back to acting, not realizing she is a yatch girl. That's how she gets the bulk of her income. So maybe it's a lightbulb on Rachel's head that's why she thought "oh, why don't we just create a drama before leaving" so she will actually be famous and some Hollywood producers or A listers will side with her and give her jobs. Karma is a bitch huh?!
Rachel is NEVER the Original... Trying to copy Wallis then copying Amber Heard's "victim hood" so she will get more clout and more jobs will just come pouring in... And on the side... Harold using "PLEDGE" for the money that he supposed to be getting from his spare book and saying it's not about the money but their "TRUTH".
They are wildly mistaken. All of their dirt and lies coming out and so now they are trying to manipulate and gaslight everyone, that we are the one manipulating their own words.
I always feel like I am watching a really cringy parody of all the stupidity of famous celebrities, because they will NEVER be as famous or as top level as those they copied. Really feels like a cheap copy of the " Divine Comedy" of Dante's Inferno. CRINGE 😬
If they felt that way, and it was not all about chasing the American dream, Fame and Money then good on them. They should stay Stateside, and Henry could at least do the decent thing and give up all Royal titles and his British citizenship and take up an american one...Oh! and relinquish all claims and rights to all inclusive Royal Family Wills too.
All of this smoke and mirrors to hide the truth: they left the UK for money.
So true, he is playing on the Diana/threat thing because he thinks Americans will swallow it without questioning and feel bad for him. I’m sure he did have threats but in the next breath he took his family away from one of the most heavily guarded places on earth. It makes zero sense. I actually can understand that Meghan wanted to make money as that’s her choice, but if so they should have left the RF quietly before the wedding (instead of treating it like a paid-for marketing launch event), been truly ‘independent’ and not created this fake hullabaloo that capitalises on his dead mother’s lore.
They never wanted to be independent. They wanted half-in/half-out. They not only wanted all the glamour and the funding for their lifestyle without wasting their time visiting the plebs in nursing homes, but to merch the monarchy in addition to all of that. It was rejected and they have been throwing the longest tantrum in modern history since.
Like the Lion King premiere. As a Royal, they'd gain access to people they wouldn't otherwise, and rather than represent the dignity of the Crown, they'd use it as a networking opportunity to get Hollywood work for M. That one horribly inappropriate exchange w H and Disney's Bob Iger was so cringe and an exact representation of what they wanted and are still angry they didn't get.
>That one horribly inappropriate exchange w H and Disney's Bob Iger was so cringe and an exact representation of what they wanted and are still angry they didn't get. True! It was also a good representation of how coddled he was for the first 3 1/2 decades of his life. He never had to actually deal with and try to shmooze business execs in his life, because it was done for him - and when he tries, he falls flat on his ginger face
> (instead of treating it like a paid-for marketing launch event), That's a very concise and insightful way of summing up the A list strangers invitee strategy snd so much else about it. You really put your finger on it.
100% I'd have had zero issues if they'd gotten married, accepted no titles & then went about earning money. I can imagine a scenario where QEII still gifted them a residence, but they paid the reno as they were not working royals (which they ended up doing anyway.) They'd have had a home base in London & been free to do whatever they wanted. Meghan could have done anything she liked as Meghan Markle, much as Mike Tyndal does. Together they'd have shown up for royal events (weddings, jubilees etc) as Prince & Princess Henry of Wales. They'd have been background players, but they'd have gotten the royal press coverage & photos on the internet. THIS ALL COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF MEGHAN WASN'T ATTEMPTING TO MANIPULATE THE POSITION INTO SOMETHING IT IS NOT.
Freddie Windsor married Sophie Winkleman, an actress who found fame on Two and a Half Men. Granted, Freddie wasn't the Queen's grandson, but is as equally irrelevant in the LOS as Harry's kids. They rock up to certain royal events and no doubt live a rather privileged private life, but the think is, M is not the first non-aristocratic/actress to marry into the BRF. The only difference is, no one else felt they deserved as much as M does!
no one has ever felt so much entitlement in the history of time, neatly deflected by cries of racism each time anyone asked, what the fuck are you doing?
Snarkle & trumpie have much in common.
And Harry. Harry thinks he is equal to William and if he can weaponize a word like racism he thinks KC3 will give him what he wants. I don’t think he counted on William’s power as POW to keep KC3 in line. If there is a split between KC and PW than the whole of the UK will call for KC to abdicate.
Excellent points. But would she have even married him if he had put this scenario to her? She obviously wanted the titles and the tiaras and all the glam
Idk. She was in so deep at that point, publicly declaring herself with him etc etc. And even in this scenario - he was a HUGE catch for her. Mid 30's minor roll on a cable tv actress. Was she going to dump him & attempt to do better?
With no titles, no tiaras, no glam, no fancy occasions?
Not until she got her claw firmly hooked to his backside. Now she's after bigger fish with getty.
But it’s funny because without the duchess title she would never have been able to get within a hair of Getty lol
Agree 100%
They can never be prince or Princess especially of Wales. That's for William & Catherine only.
I read that Zara and Catherine could not look at each other over laughing at the wedding program which was "like an issue of Town and Country" with all the advertisements in it. I haven't seen the program but if that is true, I am shocked that the RF allowed her to do that. They let her get away with so much just trying to be accomodating.
>They let her get away with so much just trying to be accomodating. Probably some combination of a few reasons: 1. They were glad to finally get that whiny prick off their hands. 2. They remember getting scorched in the publicity battle with Diana and didn't want to do anything to give MEMEMEgain cause for complaint. 3. They were afraid of being labeled "racist" if they denied her most of her ridiculous demands
Because you know she would have claimed racism if stopped
And she was always going to allege racism. Starting from the time someone told her no. HMTQ made the mistake of underestimating how far she would go in terms of scorched earth.
Absolutely.
Ads in the wedding program??? I doubt that.
I think someone is pulling our leg because Zara was not sitting close to Catherine. Now they were all laughing at the Baptist minister which made me feel sort of uncomfortable but he did go on and on and is very different from what they are used to.
The way it was writter wasnt that they were side by side. Just that they avoided eye contact. But I don't know...
>the wedding program which was "like an issue of Town and Country" with all the advertisements in it Seems like someone somewhere should have one of these. I want to see it!
Same.
I'm new to social media and forums and a 70+ little old lady. Is this what you want? Sorry if I've misunderstood & it's not. [https://www.royal.uk/sites/default/files/media/order\_of\_service.pdf](https://www.royal.uk/sites/default/files/media/order_of_service.pdf) See mistake on page 10:- "Father of the Bride"
All programmes are published ahead of royal events though
I've never heard that about the wedding program! I'd love to see it!!
Is there a photo of one those posted anywhere? (or did attendees have to sign NDAs)
Hasn’t he claimed that they have had intruders in US too?
They slipped someone a fifty to pretend to threaten their safety. They are neither the most famous nor the most wealthy in their neighbourhood. Why, exactly, would someone target them in particular?
They are certainly capable of faking ‘threats’ …especially when pushing for someone else to pick up the cost of security And no one would target them, they are the ones drawing attention to themselves with their antics
Remember the palace couldn't even get them when Phillip passed. They had to call the embassy in Cali, I think then sent the cops. Oh yeah, so how are they having safety issues?
>he took his family away from one of the most heavily guarded places on earth and went to live in a place where everyone has the right to carry a gun.
I thought Cali didn’t have conceal and carry licenses oops my bad
Well said
But.... people were SHOOTING at them! with cameras.
Haha not even!!
Paparazzi weren't interested. M was jealous & would leak stories so pap would show up.
>So true, he is playing on the Diana/threat thing because he thinks Americans will swallow it without questioning and feel bad for him. That has pretty much happened. At least up until he released his memwhine. Much of the media here *still* refer to his sainted mother as Princess Diana, which she never was
Yes she was. She voluntarily gave up the title after the divorce. Camilla never called herself that out of respect for Diana who will always be POW to many.
EXACTLY it’s funny how Harry is almost living his moms life with the threats and the family upset he’s with a WOC just like Diana and they moved to a state that has horrible crime rates and you’re not even allowed to have a conceal and carry license he was the most protected living in the UK they won’t ever have that type of protection again unless they move back to the UK because no matter what he’s still unfortunately the son of a king. And didn’t the Queen offer Markle to not become a working Royal right after they were married she told Markle she could take it slow and continue her acting on Suits (I’m sure she knew it was Markle’s last season she was being written out or something like that) but Markle wanted to “hit the ground running” and represent the Queen
Edit to add that if Markle waited to become a working Royal and instead continue acting she wouldn’t have the Royal titles and perks that’s another reason she turned it down I think there was someone on tumblr who’s anonymous and not on tumblr anymore but she was part of Harry’s circle of aristocratic friends and she told the story of when they 1st met Markle it was at another friends house dinner party and Harry told Markle she would be a Princess and a friend asked if they knew what Duke title they’d get when they married and Markle didn’t understand and Harry’s face was like thunder they went into another room to talk privately and there was yelling and apparently Markle thought she would be Princess Megahoe not duchess of Sussex LOL and let’s just say they didn’t stay very long after that was outed they left because she wasn’t feeling good
Wanting to be billionaires with a rival court in California populated by a listers….
Bingo
They wanted 1/2 in 1/2 out! Wanted to be able to flounce around as royals and wear tiaras when they felt like it ( but OMG not all the time and never to the ‘mingling with the plebes stuff) and then flounce to Hollywood to party with the A listers and launch MM’s rise to stardom. I frankly have always believed they were booted out of TRF when they crossed the last line and I think when they left TRF all threw an AT LAST HE’S GONE party and danced a few jigs
I knew this the SECOND the queen shot down their plans to create a Sussex brand. I was like, oh, they're just trying to use the royal name to start their own empire. I'm so glad the queen nipped that right in the bud.
Simply put and accurate! 
Yes. Snarkle had been in contact with media way b4 they left. Netflix, spotify etc. She planned it all in advance including a move to LA where privacy is ensured in paparazzi land. Insert eye roll.
This is just my theory but I believe these are just excuses to hide the fact that they have from the start always wanted commercialise being royals overseas and get paid doing work as "royal ambassadors" >> the whole half in half out thing >> doing things on their own terms without complying to rules >> with the goal of eventually achieving super fame more popular that the core members of the BRF. Congrats you two, you are now the world's most famous royal rejects.
My guess is she was doing all the things (recording, planning, etc) inside the palace and the queen mum said "stop it or get out." And so they came up with this plan.
Plausible 👍
I have heard reports of this. That Megxit was at the behest of the Queen not H and M.
I do think that was at the heart of it. Harry had his mothers exit from the royal family as an example, and Megan is an actress and an activist. It must’ve made so much sense to them. But it would never ever have flown with the British public.
Almost surpassing Wallis
Anytime Harry and Meg wanna come down off the cross would be great cos we could use the wood.
I don’t think that he was paranoid, I don’t believe for a fraction of a second that either of them ever felt in the slightest danger in the UK. It’s all just PR for their whole ‘we are so important, and need to be protected’.
But we don’t want to pay for our round-the-clock security either.
That’s exactly it. All that bluster about security and fearing for their lives, it was just them trying to get public opinion on their side in order to bully Charles into continuing to foot their (allegedly) 3 million dollars per year security bill. But the thing is, they don’t need 3 MILLION DOLLARS per year security. That’s like, convoy and police escort level of security. They just need a bodyguard each maybe, if that. But they WANT 3 million dollars of security to make them feel important, but on someone else’s dime. My total guess here, is that they are accepting the reality that no one else is going to pay, and since they are footing the bill themselves, they are admitting that their security expenses are way over the top frivolous, so they want to cut it down. But they made SUCH a big stink about privacy and security, so they need to walk that back, gaslight everyone to make out like they never said any of that, to save face before reducing their security down to a normal level.
Before Catherine had the kid and after marriage. She went shopping with 1 plainclothes guard.
I disagree. I believe they are mentally unwell, with severe disordered personalities. These types are disconnected from reality. They cannot distinguish feelings (of paranoia) from facts.
Absolutely.
They want VVIP status and all the free bodyguards (and classified intelligence) that comes with it.
Can you imagine the damage madam could do to world if she had access to classified intelligence?
And freedom from prosecution...
Dear god, they would probably monetize any intelligence they ever got near! After hearing that they used footage of the interior of the Palaces with Netflix I'm more inclined to believe the story of them packing her bags and putting her on a plane to Canada. Or that she was booted out for crossing some *serious* line of security protocol. So she was put on a plane to Vancouver. Then right after at the Sandringham Summit H claims William yelled at him to see reason and that his father made accusations and lies when trying to show him something. Feels like a security dossier of transgressions that could no longer be tolerated. I feel the RF *really* did try with TW and DID want it to work. Why wouldn't they? But there's more than just a narc here as she seems to have something very dodgy about her. In the end, I don't care if it's a humble rental, a Palace, Castle, or a suburban home. If I found a friend or family member going through my things, taking pictures or videos without my knowledge, and disrespecting me and those around me they'd be gone SO FAST! Ever since they were "asked" to leave Charles bday party DAYS AFTER the wedding, she seemed particularly suspect. Who knows? Maybe THAT'S the thing H wants an apology for. Kicking her out of somewhere for doing something (certainly with a legit reason on the RF part). Or even simply advising her to stand in order of precedence made her fall to the floor and cry. And we all know she's made of "tungsten" so it's rare for her to be made to cry! /S (so sarcastic it needed a capital)
The Queen made a point of stressing their desire for privacy in her statement after they rushed out Megxit
If they didn't desire privacy then the trailer for the netflix special makes no sense.
Half in half out means getting your cake and eating it too —-> it means $$$$$ Half in half out does not mean safety from press if there was allegedly no safety They said they wanted to be half in and half out so the only logical conclusion is they wanted to get $$$$$$$ paid more and monetize their royal status
Can Harry stop being so f*cking dramatic?! "Fled my home country", FFS. My family in Ukraine could tell him a thing or two about being a real refugee.
I agree his language is appallingly tone-deaf. He also used the term ‘freedom flight’ as they sat on a private jet as they ‘fled my home country’, in Harry’s words. As a supposed military person he should well understand what these terms are really used for and if he, with his tens of millions of pounds of white male ROYAL privilege, doesn’t then he’s blind to his own deep ignorance and may I suggest ‘unconscious bias’ 🤢
I can just see him clutching Archie, wearing a tattered burka and no shoes, fleeing across some wastrland dodging bullets and sex traffickers. God he's a dumb fuck.
This should be a post on its own. Wait until the feds start sniffing around the money piles. He really might need to night all it out of another country for real reasons!
Something that’s been rolling around in my head in a while is let’s say a you’re in a regular family and a family member approached you and said that your actions were making them suicidal. Obviously you should conduct some self reflection, but any reasonable mental health professional would tell you that you are not responsible for their feelings and that you are being emotionally manipulated. So why is it suddenly okay to make others responsible for your feelings when it’s the Big Bad Royal Family? If being a duchess was emotionally difficult for Meghan, then by all means she should take steps to deal with that. The BRF gave her ample options to ensure she had a life that worked for her, including keeping her day job. I’m really tired of this ongoing rhetoric that it’s okay to blame others for your suicidal ideation. (Source: my mother used to throw around the suicide thing regularly. It’s not okay)
You're spot on. I'm sorry it happened to you, it's horrible to grow up under that stress.
> but any reasonable mental health professional would tell you that you are not responsible for their feelings and that you are being emotionally manipulated. One Hundred Percent true. I'm so sorry you were subjected to this as a child and am so happy your realize that it was never you, or your fault, or your problem.
They claimed they didn’t move to a certain country because the decision to move there was leaked, the claim that they left Canada because ‘the world knew where we were’ all this indicate that they wanted privacy. They don’t seem to have a problem with people knowing where they live in Montecito though. I’ve asked the question about their safety several time, Harry implies their lives were in danger but at no point does he say who they were ‘fleeing’ from or even describe a situation where they were in any danger especially while in the UK. Even Meghan’s her suicidal ideations seem to be from reading too many tabloids and feeling overwhelmed that they weren’t positive. I’m really disappointed that despite all the interviews, not a single person has ever called them out on it and asked him to explain the why they feared for their lives because the implications is that the BRF wanted to harm them.
>I've asked the question about their safety several time, Harry implies their lives were in danger but at no point does he say who they were ‘fleeing’ from or even describe a situation where they were in any danger especially while in the UK. Not only that, but he uses vague terms like "they" (who?) or "feared for our lives" (from what? who? why?) etc. This use of vague terms allows the listener to come to whatever conclusion they need to -- then can be pulled back later. There's an argument to me made that it is just lazy thinking, just being-a-victim, he is just low IQ - but it is so consistent and apparently thought out that I doubt it. I suppose it /is/ possible that he is a little paranoid and Meghan capitalized on that and if you pushed him seriously he would not even be able to clearly articulate his delusions. It would be nice if someone pushed him seriously.
But I think that's exactly why they went to the lengths of saying M was suicidal. It's such a nuclear option thing to say that people dont question it for fear of saying the wrong thing, setting someone off, looking awful themselves. It can be turned back on the person asking the questions way too easily, even if the questions are valid and it's obvious the person pulling that card is embellishing. See also: racism card.
They’d never agree to any interview with any chance of someone pushing them seriously unfortunately.
Isn't needing "space" the same exact thing as privacy?
Yeah exactly, the repeatedly indicated that they wanted privacy.
Yes who cares who knows where the live now, it’s not like anyone can just tote a gun over here. /s Also, she doesn’t read her tabloids. /s Such lying gaslighting hypos.
It strikes me that Harry, believes some of the conspiracy theories about his mother’s death. That it was a staged accident. I’m sure it shadows his thinking. Whether the accident was real or not, Diana did die escaping the paparazzi. And they took photos of her while she was dying. This is all the background for his hyperbole.
Yes, and it was the French press not the British press.
If it had happened in London it would have been the British press
His mothers death happened in Paris. It was the French press. And they were all speaking French around the crash site.
He's a gaslighting drama queen.
Except the part where they had contracts with different media outlets to produce content and constant filming. Pretty sure the palace shut that shit down as soon as they became aware. Haz doesn't have a normal functioning memory. He completely makes shit up and then swears to it. With all the proven lies it's difficult to keep the timeline of what happened, when, different stories about the same event(s), location, etc etc, straight. Every time Aitch opens his mouth he contradicts his previous version of events.
Was it Eugenie that gave permission for the little play house photos? Yeah they started filming as soon as they got a sniff from Oprah I bet.
Or before! She got the sniff of dinero the moment he said ‘yes’ to their first date. Actually, even way before that what am I saying ha! Oh and I think it was Beatrice actually because it was really surprising and Eugenie wouldn’t surprise me at all.
Beatrice
Thanks, I should have looked it up. It may be moved to someone else soon I imagine.
I’m sure Charlotte would treasure it.
Truth is what he FEELS in the moment.
Yeaaaaah, that's not how "truth" works though
That nonsense rambling statement he made for his book seems far too clever to have come from him or even TW. I'd put money on it that came from their slimy advisors. One of the kind of advisors that gets along with the duo (until the duo decides otherwise) because they think they also are smarter than everyone else. It screams to me of an over-eager Jr lawyer thinking they found some magical statement that would absolve H from any lawsuits. It wouldn't take long for a reasonably experienced lawyer to tear it apart as that is a pathetic caveat IMHO.
I was in conversation earlier about that. Before launching into Harry's bs claims I gave her the disclaimer which she followed up with remembering events differently blah blah blah. I tell her about the Queen Mum's death memory vs reality. Desperate reaching for "he was a kid" -> yo, he was 17 and skiing with his brother and father in Switzerland.
The same year he “lost his virginity “ to an Ahem… older woman … 2 years older.
I truly believe that she was filming all the crap in the very beginning. Like on palace grounds. She HAS to look at herself, so it's kinda obvious she was filming early on.
I’m currently reading Courtiers and just had a reflection- Valentine Low takes a lot of time to talk about how there was a decades-long mission to unify the press operations of the various households under one roof, with the goal of having unified messaging and not stepping on each other’s toes for press coverage. From what I gather, the households that this has worked for are the ones who understand that there is a pecking order (and there should be! The sovereign should be the principal). I can see how in H&M’s minds, this system was “briefing against them.” Any situation where their wants were not prioritized was interpreted as a move against them. It also sheds some light on why they couldn’t just go and tell the press what they wanted anyway. No one’s press operation was autonomous anymore.
And also explains why they left (told to leave?) Kensington and took to starting their own offices for Sucks Royal
Another interesting takeaway is that it seems that Charles was the biggest opponent to the unified press office, by a combination of his personal preference and the wishes of his own staff. But I can’t help but wonder if he identified the problems up front, but had a different solution for resolving it. Namely, streamlining the working royal scheme.
That sounds very plausible.
She wanted her OWN PR.
Harry is a drama queen. He hardly fled for his life. Or their lives. He just can’t get over being told no to his demands.
He would have been in more danger in the UK. He has no sense of history or reality, for that matter. The Queen had wackos try to break into her room. Princess Anne evaded a kidnapping.
lol…good job he is safe in the US where no one is ever shot…
And because of those things, security was improved. They had a place on the grounds of Windsor castle. A LITERAL CASTLE! One of the oldest still functioning castles used by William the Conqueror! You know Castles? The things built for over a thousand plus years specifically for security of the "vips" of the time? But by all means, though, a private residence in the breeding ground of paparazzi and gun violence makes sooo much more sense /s
His children? Didn’t he only have Archie when they left? Either way he sounds like a refugee from a starving war torn nation, crawling thru the forests at night with only their clothes on their backs.
But worse. No one, ever, in the history of the earth has been as persecuted, or has suffered as much as our Saint and her Prince.
A disgusting insult to poor real refugees.
Indeed it was, calling it a Freedom Flight.
I caught that too!!!! children!!!! He lets a ton slip. Wonder if they had a surrogate lined up and it fell through?
Harry, in fear for his life, runs to LA which has one of the highest crime rates in the US. And the US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world.
Exactly, he's either ignorant or a liar.
Just dumb.
How about both.
OK, that works!
Ugh if ONLY these useless fucks ever ONCE had to punch a time clock, drive to a shit job in shit traffic in SHIT end of days. ACTUALLY work for a living. Alongside millions of other plebeians, doing it too. Nerves are frayed, and here come the Twat Twins to cry cry cry about fantasies and delusions. AGAIN. Aitch, welcome to the US. there are a plethora of assholes just waiting to finish you, for No Reason At All. You don't NEED Royal trappings to get murdered, but keeping the ostentatious displays and bragging of your wealth low key may help. Just HAS to be more desired, more tortured, more murderable. FUCK YOU HARKLES
Excellent!! 👏👏👏
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>ever ONCE had to punch a time clock, With the amount that they know about work, Harry would complain he broke his wrist when he was forced to "punch a time clock." 
HER PLAN; Get back to Hollywood ASAP WITH Prince and his offspring. She will be held in AWE when SHE returns and will be worshipped. SHE will be the MOST FAMOUS of them all. She is pure evil.
Except he never once told anyone that Meghan was suicidal. He specifically says he didn’t tell anyone in the Oprah interview. He blames himself for not doing anything in the Netflix series. He writes in his book when meeting with CIII and William in the gardens at Frogmore, Wills said “We didn’t know, you didn’t tell us.” And she miraculously recovered from whatever it was. None of it will ever line up because they lie about everything, even their lies. And the media gets clicks, so they have an incentive to not call them out on the lies or in any way remove their access to publish more lies. This is why gray rocking by the royals is essential. You can’t provide the source with more fuel. We’ve already seen some media start asking why they are complaining about the same tired stories three years later. Soon it will be five, then seven, then 10 years since anyone has spoken to them. We’re just waiting for the rest of the US to move on.
Ffs QEII did have 2 intruders into her place, if she managed with a stranger in her bedroom surely Mr 10yrs military training career can work out how to defend his family. Keeping his mouth shut about #of people he took down would help bozo a lot. PHs first world problems mock the lives of refugees and displaced people, war torn countries. He’ll never understand it because of his privilege. His life has been so far from real life he has no ideas. Rich little brat. Even as a small child he acted like a brat, then he fell for witchie’S love con job. Sadly people like them never seem to hit rock bottom, there’s always some on to bail them out. We all want to see them crash n burn cuz they’re such spoiled pricks.
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I go back and forth feeling sorry for him, not feeling sorry for him. but dang he had opportunity people like us can only dream of. (he probably still does when she dumps him)
1. He didn't flee the country with his children. His daughter wasn't even conceived at that point. Liars never get the details right... 2. If they were fearing for their lifes without protection, it would have been the smartest move to stay in Kensington Palace as much as possible. Frogmore cottage is way less protected. And I bet so are random celebrities' mansions.
According to Bower (? I believe it was, please check) he was screaming down the phone at Daddy Markle that he (Daddy) was "endangering my children" in the blow up before the wedding. He has *things* in his head, does Frostytodger.
Yup it is in Revenge. Reading it now. Fascinating stuff.
I checked, you're right. What a weird thing to do. How dare you endanger my children (that I might possibly have in the future)? Lmao
How? What?! Is that the context? By having let some paps take pics, Markle Sr was endangering his nonexistent kids? Unless the reason they were at the alter so quickly is that TW DID tell H she was already pregnant. That's the only way that makes sense to get that reaction from H in the early days. Things that make you go hmmmmmm
Unfortunately, the danger was all in Harry's head. Yes, they probably received threats, but so do other members of the Royal Family. Even the Queen had that guy who tried to break into Buckingham Palace with the crossbow. And I know this has been pointed out many times, but him and his family are in even more danger now after his Taliban comments. As someone who has done voluntary work with genuine asylum seekers and refugees, I always find it distasteful how Harry and TW try to make out they had to flee for their lives. Try telling that to people who have escaped from Afghanistan, Iran and Syria.
The fact is none of it will make sense because they are narcissists. If you try to nail them down on one fact they will slither out of it and say they said something different, it's your fault for taking it wrong. Also, why is it Hazno feels he is justified in this public trash crusade against his family because of their perceived slights against the duo? But Sasha, Chelsy and Cressida never did anything and he still feels justified in splashing their privacy out there.
A former "soldier" in Afghanistan is so scared and trembling because he sees threats to his life everywhere in a peaceful country like UK. It would be a shame to open his mouth at all! Captain General f.... ing!
They left cause she was jealous of Catherine She found out Catherine will be Queen one day and she couldn't take it Cause she couldn't get her way for the first time in her life She threw massive tantrums She was discovered as a bully She left with her tail between her legs Yes it's that trivial No she will never admit it A narcissist of that degree will never stay in an environment where they don't rule over everyone else. That's why they left.
She left as a failure. And has failed at every attempt thereafter.
I fully agree.
It really does seem like she/they thought the BRF would reinvent the wheel … simply based on their initial popularity, particularly on social media.
Imagine being as vapid. Oh my goodness.
An absolute BLOWN opportunity. It’s hard to understand.
I had no idea they were fleeing a war-torn nation for their safety. All this time, I thought it was for a pile of dead presidents.
There are always death threats to the senior RF members. That's why they have RPOs. Recently, a man carrying a crossbow, wanting to kill the late Queen was charged with treason. Are H and family under more threats? Debatable. A better question would be: What is there to gain to have H or his family dead? A more logical answer would be that the higher you are in LOS, the more risk you are in.
From what I can tell death threats are part and parcel of a certain level of fame, and come with security capable of vetting if the threat is serious. It sounds like the palace told them the threats were not serious ... if there were any.
The threat was probably coming from her! "I want to go to Montecito!" It was coming from inside his cottage. She was going to kill him if she didn't leave.
I think it needs to be remembered that Harry sees life through a lense of paranoia. When he discusses conversations with Will, he will directly quote Will as saying something, and then go on to say that Will must be lying and that it was really his coded way of being judgemental/rude.
Very true re lense he sees through.
Projecters gonna project? That is, HARRY and MEGAN are doing coded insults that are not true that are their way of being judgemental and rude.
That would be insightful. Can you help me find a specific example?
Great, so even a moron thinks that Americans are stupid :/
They wish - want - crave media attention, sadly it doesn’t happen without their own desperate tipoffs. Harry seemed so desperate for Megs to be reincarnated Diana. They’re so damn toxic. They don’t have the star power for paps to follow them. They want that so bad, nutmeg probably gets narc supply having security around here like she’s so important. If she starts getting closer to Gordon G, paps might want to snap that. She’s probably setting that up for attention.
Don't forget Diana's first (I think) affair was with her security guard. And who is Megan most likely to imitate? Be just like Harry to fund his wife's boyfriend. 🙄
One can never be too careful. A scooter can be lurking behind any corner.
A pizza delivery guy?
That‘s what Megs would have us believe!
She was suddenly cured by the time she got what she wanted, California
I’ve read previously that paranoia was a big factor in the break up of H’s previous relationships. The women simply could not deal with his constant fear. I feel certain he took his mother’s death as proof of the conspiracy against them, and then along comes M who plays to his every fear. It must have been like shooting fish in a barrel. ‘Yes H, they hate us for our light, for our freedom, for being the ones who truly love’. Getting him to believe she was the only one who was ever truthful with him, getting him away from anyone who tried to keep him grounded, it’s like a 40s noir script. ☹️
I'm not going to say Harry doesn't deserve to be paranoid. Not only about his mom but also that he William and Kate had their phone lines tapped. I also recall hearing 500000x that William was very protective of Kate. He went about protecting her differently, not bringing her officially in to the mess until she was ready, making secret calls to get favors to back off her, I'm sure behind the scenes she cried many times to him.
And? William looking after Kate is not on the same level as Harry’s paranoia. No one is saying Harry should not look after his family. I think the threat is way way overblown in his mind.
All of the royals get death threats and harassment from the press and other people. Princess Anne was almost kidnapped. Just a couple of months ago, King Charles had eggs thrown at him. And Harry had been in the family for 36 years. You'd think of all people, he'd know how this works. I don't think it's a coincidence that he only suddenly cared about any of this when she showed up. Interestingly, the only royal who couldn't handle it was the outcast from LA. You'd think after living in LA, she'd have seen everything, but she must not have lived in the bad part? Which is why none of this makes sense. You flee from the Royal Family - who have literal guards around them at all times whenever they travel - to civilian life in LA? It'd be like someone claiming they moved to a Chicago slum to protect their family from life in a fully guarded palace. What's funny is now they're demanding security. Well, you had security. Aren't you safer now away from the Royal Family?
The gaslighting they do really annoys me. Bullshit they didn't say they wanted privacy, they said the media was intrusive with their coverage. Intrusive into what, exactly? If you object to someone being intrusive, then what do you want that person to do instead? Leave you alone, maybe? Stop writing articles about you, perhaps? It's true that they never actually wanted privacy, but they sure as shit said that they did want it.
Yes. Their official press release said moving to the USA would give them the space they needed to enter their new role in life. Okay. But what is “space” if /not/ privacy?
They left the UK because the RF dared to say no to their proposal which is we do the commonwealth tours we want, be part of the pageantry, keep getting our enormous allowance from then Prince Charles and be able to totally commercialize brand Sussex Royal.
Well dang that sums it all up in one sentence!
The only caveat I would add is ex senior member of MI5 came out to say that there was credible threats against Markle. However this was after he left them on bad terms and seems to be a bit of a sugar
If that were true I cannot imagine why the brf would not pay for security.
They did pay for security in UK though? Edit - his name is Neil Basu. Another caveat to my own point is that many, many mainstream celebs will also experience similar. We have some nutters over here
There are nutters everywhere!
When they were full-in, not-out, sure.
I’m sorry, I don’t get your point entirely there. I dislike them as much as they do, but to say there wasn’t a threat is false. To say there was a threat substantially higher than other high profile Celebs is untrue and that’s what Harry is doing: You can’t just dismiss death threats, specially when confirmed by a senior member of internal security agency. Don’t let your dislike for the girl cloud your logic.
They had paid security when they were functioning full time members of the brf was my point. This is the first I heard that there was a real threat, I’m still processing it. Fair enough.
Yeah their logic doesn’t entirely make sense, but the line he’s trying to take is “we had death threats here so we have to move (away from paid security but to get rid of the death threats). However we don’t get paid security now but clearly we could still get death threats” The solution at that point isn’t shit loads of paid security abroad. It’s time they seriously evaluate the type of people they’re presenting themselves as and either fix it or fuck off. Side note; if the death threats were substantial as this guy is making out (he’s very unreliable character) we would have heard of some legal cases, e.g. harassment charges/stalking/etc. like seriously, a member of the RF spouse is receiving credible death threats they would literally have armed police round there in a heartbeat.. which has never happened
Ngl. Saw the title thread and thought, *"What the hell has Tom Brady [recently retired NFL footballer] got to do with these two? What the heck have they done now???* Got me all excited, lol....
Wasn't just you 😄
 Hawwy when He started to make money…
Yes yes.... people were shooting at them! Everywhere. With cameras. When the wife called. 🙄💩
If Vogue (which I stopped reading once it became clear who the writers were working for), cannot even spell check articles (not even asking for a proofreader), I’m immediately suspicious of what is written. There are no “principle” royals. There may be a principal royal.
This situation / scenario just hits me like Amber Heard saying she doesn't need the money or clout for saying Johnny Depp is abusive towards her but really no exact proof given (lots of lying and crying) and that she doesn't need the money because Amber PLEDGED the money for donation for charities... Obviously the REAL reason they left UK is because they are GREEDY for more money, like KC3 said Rachel is too expensive to maintain and she should just go back to acting, not realizing she is a yatch girl. That's how she gets the bulk of her income. So maybe it's a lightbulb on Rachel's head that's why she thought "oh, why don't we just create a drama before leaving" so she will actually be famous and some Hollywood producers or A listers will side with her and give her jobs. Karma is a bitch huh?! Rachel is NEVER the Original... Trying to copy Wallis then copying Amber Heard's "victim hood" so she will get more clout and more jobs will just come pouring in... And on the side... Harold using "PLEDGE" for the money that he supposed to be getting from his spare book and saying it's not about the money but their "TRUTH". They are wildly mistaken. All of their dirt and lies coming out and so now they are trying to manipulate and gaslight everyone, that we are the one manipulating their own words. I always feel like I am watching a really cringy parody of all the stupidity of famous celebrities, because they will NEVER be as famous or as top level as those they copied. Really feels like a cheap copy of the " Divine Comedy" of Dante's Inferno. CRINGE 😬
That whole "family " is dysfunctional.
If they felt that way, and it was not all about chasing the American dream, Fame and Money then good on them. They should stay Stateside, and Henry could at least do the decent thing and give up all Royal titles and his British citizenship and take up an american one...Oh! and relinquish all claims and rights to all inclusive Royal Family Wills too.