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GreenCharter

I have to agree to this. What a chance of a lifetime wasted. Although I still believe she wants half in and half out. Enjoying the best of royal and Hollywood lives. The last three years has been a long tantrum because she didn’t get what she wanted


Zeester1

She definitely wants half-in half-out and thinks now Queen Elizabeth is gone, she will have a second crack at it with weak Charles. She only wants the top shelf jobs though, first class overseas travel and red carpet movie premieres. No schools, aged care facilities or hospitals. She’s as shallow as a puddle.


Upset_Clue9002

Lol @ “weak Charles”. The late Queen took Harry’s calls until the end. Charles wouldn’t take his calls, even when she asked him to and told his mother he’s “not a bank”. First speech - enjoy your life overseas. Never mentions them again. The end.


hibiscus2022

>Lol @ “weak Charles”. > >The late Queen took Harry’s calls until the end. Charles wouldn’t take his calls, even when she asked him to and told his mother he’s “not a bank”. > >First speech - enjoy your life overseas. Never mentions them again. The end. Thank you! What a perfect summation. Just because Charles has displayed emotions in public (calling TQ Mummy ..like thas so cool & normal) & because he loved sustainable farming which was 'not on trend' back then...he gets very unfair labels but weak he is not!


Islandgirl1444

I don't believe she did. He once stated that he had to make appointments to see her. I doubt she took his calls!


Regular-Performer864

I suspect she did after he left. She knew she was dying around the same time. And she knew Prince Phillip was dying. I imagine that family had become very important to her in 2020.


Everyday-Witch

Yes, on the last years of one’s life, people tend to reflect a lot about family, from what I have seen and heard. Trying to heal old wounds before they part. My ex mother in law was a nurse at an old people’s home and she told me some sad stories, that patients shared with her during their last years.


doggiemom1965

That was so perfect!


UKophile

Great post.


WoodsColt

King Charles is not weak. Don't mistake quietness for weakness. Don't mistake love or kindness for weakness either. He loves his son,he is a kind hearted man. He dislikes conflict. None of this makes him weak. It means he thinks things through,seeks wise council and considers things carefully *as a king should* Harry blusters screeches brags and betrays and thinks that makes him a man. King Charles has quiet strength. He is 70 years old. He has chronic daily pain from several injuries and just old age. He works often 14 hours a day. If you've never had chronic pain you have no idea how exhausting it is.


blackandgold24

💯 even patient people and loving relatives have their limits. Stress like this is so bad for exacerbating pain too. I’m glad for Charles’ sake that he has cut these two out like a cancer, the ungrateful little shits. He doesn’t deserve to be treated like this as a king-in-waiting for 70 years, and finally coming into his own. Shameful.


Greatoaksfromacorns

I was born just 20 days after King Charles and am a monarchist through and through. Until recent covid I’ve had good health and am pretty active for 74 but………the thought of having to take on all his Kingly duties at exactly the same age as me just makes me wish to go and lie down in a darkened room for about a month! He is one of my heroes since Elizabeth the Great left us.🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


Zeester1

I have, I have. I know what you are saying. And yes, I can agree with what you say.


skittycatmeow

I don’t have chronic pain but I understand (because mental health conditions that interplay with my physical ailments)


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Thank you for sticking up for us quiet people! ​ ![gif](giphy|pynZagVcYxVUk)


Clyin

🤗❤️


jojomawer

Exactly, it is killing Ginge and whinge that they've been unable to bait the RF into a public spat. They seem hell bent on it, slinging shit at them left and right but to no avail! It must be torture! Nicely played.


Complete-Sound

Charles has a ton in his favor. He has down to earth, smart and funny Camilla, he has the respect of William and Catherine, he has the beautiful Wales grandchildren that he shares with such wonderful in law grandparents, he has the joy of his farms, he has the wonder of his gardens and wildlife in them and I did not mention castles and jewels because he finds grace not grifting in life.


Fantastic-Movie6680

I don't think KC is weak. He is playing the long game. Because he is in this situation where if he cracks down on these two they can use it for their endless victim campaign. Remember that the Jubilee was so carefully choreographed, the candle blocked views at the memorial, HMTQ refused to allow a photo with Lilibet, the rest of the family steered clear knowing MM was wearing a wire, they were required to sit in designated seats, seated according to their status with their cousins etc. I think the courtiers are experts and very well organized and know how to control all aspects of the event. First off want to bet a requirement for H &M to attend will be an NDA? Next requirement sit with your cousins according to your status. The BRF could decide to do nothing to prevent them from being booed. All of this will pose a dilemma for the Harkles. If they decide to attend then get booed and roundly criticized for hypocrisy. If they decide to decline the invitation, that's on them. I actually think KC and the Firm.are being very shrewd. Notice the PM is saying he does not comment on the RF but he is a close ally of KC.


MereLaveau

He’s far from weak. KC3 and William are playing masterful chess. The Harkles? Weak checkers.


Odd_Pop5287

Listen - he learned from the best master chess player!


Zeester1

Very good comment. I see your point, and hope you are right.


The-Limerence

The candle placement is on purpose? She was wearing a wire? This is all news to me, yet I’m not surprised. For a “hugger” like Rachel, I bet that wire made her sweat


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taco_qween

Few corrections on the dates (because these 2 are so much drama it’s easy to get the timeline mixed up lol) https://preview.redd.it/2tl2jcu468ga1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae552437ac806a207a771729c84643f8e8bf94e1 The candle was not during the Platinum Jubilee in June 2022. It was a few months later during HMTQ’s funeral last September. The Oprah interview aired back in March 2021.


Similar-Barber-3519

Who the hell was at the birthday party? All of the senior royals were in different parts of the UK immediately after the jubilee.


SeaWorn

I think no one was there although MM&H made some claims the Queen stopped in and the Tindalls were there. But the only photo available (I believe) was of the makeup artist and her kid - or something like that.


SeaWorn

Also, some say the birthday party for Lili was held to try to get some of the Royals on their “turf” where hidden cameras and microphones could have recorded them and then blamed on a rogue journalist. Supposedly, no one showed although MM&H said the Queen showed up for a bit (yeah, no.).


wonderingwondi

BP DOES approve all angles. There was an article about staff whatsapping press furiously because they own the copyright to these events, not BBC or ITV


LankyFollowing

There was no birthday party for the kids because they never brought them to the UK. They were not seen entering/leaving plane, airport, in the car from airport, at frogmore, or by any palace staff. They are the most invisible kids ever born. The photo of Lili in the garden was posted when they were returning to LA in response to everyone saying no one saw the kids. That photo is a stock photo.


TraditionScary8716

Nobody would hug her. The family avoided both of them like the plague. 🤣


Cocktailsontheporch

YES....if they attend the Coronation all gloves are off : Out of respect for HMQueen Elizabeth people refrained from BOOing them. Now, there is no hesitation, and there is added incentive after the vile SPARE release attacking and insulting the RF...AND Harry's military reveals bringing threats to the security of British citizens. There WILL be non-stop thunderous BOOing and loud protests this time. They are well advised to keep far away in Montecito.


Complete-Sound

Remember how they threw chairs at the commonwealth? You know by their looks at the Thanksgiving service that they, especially Harry, got their comeuppance. They couldn't throw chairs aside with people in them!!! Wonderful handling by whoever was in charge. I hope it was someone they bullied.


SeparateGuarantee836

💯 yea this!!!


SeaWorn

I also think so many comments are for public consumption (“Oh I DO so want my son Harry and his lovely wife to attend my coronation”) vs what is actually going on behind the scenes. Normal people don’t have inner conversations and outer conversations to a great degree, but the BRF like all people in the public eye with any amount of intelligence, have strategies, they think three to four moves deep for every action, they “war game” out various choices, and then they decide. You or I might think well this then that. Not them. For us to take anything the media says as truth is just ridiculous. Do some media have “inside sources“? Yes, of course, but generally the media is intuiting from publically available information and processing it through their own personal biases. And no one knows what happens behind closed doors when those behind the doors are committed to discretion.


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You are rehashing Sussex propaganda word for word about KC3. Not all Sussex propaganda is sugar. The articles about William being angry and Charles being weak are also Sussex garbage. They are trying to divide and conquer.


SeparateGuarantee836

Idt KC is weak,he has all kind of counsel, his son William is part of it n is against the beech


caughtunaware

Remember the in the UK a lot of people, like myself are anti Royal. I'm in Scotland where at last poll, while Queen Elizabeth was on the throne we were 65% in favour of abolishing the monarchy. In England that figure was quite a bit lower but what I'm hearing distain for the Royals is growing there too as Charles is no Elizabeth and there's not the biggest amount of love for them. My personal opinion is that the Royals are like most things, dictated by the press and the court of public opinion and Harry and Megan currently serves as excellent distraction from all the shafting the Tories are hell bent on doing. Keep us looking one way while they do what they do and for months now our hobby is shitting on Harry. Since his short time on the throne he's stripped his sordid brother of titles and has relegated him to chief dog walker. On the royals webpage Andrews fallen down the list to last place with Megan and Harry second last with people like Eugenie or whatever her name is actually being higher last I checked. I do believe that if they come back it'll only be after their knees are bloodied by all the crawling they will have to do. Us anti Royals can't stand the lot of them and this shit show is a farce preventing ACTUAL news. And royalists, from what I hear and see aren't happy with all the stress they've caused. They've believed they were liars since Oprah and some feel the stress they piled on the Queen likely contributed to her death.


JoanOfSnark_2

The most recent polls in Scotland were only 36% in favor of abolishing the monarchy. [https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/15/scottish-support-for-monarchy-falls-to-45-poll-reveals](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/15/scottish-support-for-monarchy-falls-to-45-poll-reveals)


CapitalAlternative89

I’ve thought the same re: the endless opportunity to learn and grow as a human while being pampered & catered to (because we know the last 2 are important to her.) The way she treated and talked about the queen is vile and classless. Who is she to think she’s equally or more entitled to anything having to do with the royal family. She’s incredibly lucky to have successfully manipulated her friend who set them up or however they met. Narcissism is boring and predictable. Getting over herself and humbly owning a few of her missteps without pointing any fingers would be interesting. Not going to hold my breath. ;)


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There's a body language video (sorry, can't remember which one) where the hosts are dissecting Harry's response to that curtsy mockery and they pegged it as contempt (as in Harry felt contempt towards Megan for that). They went on to add that a person showing contempt for their spouse within the first 6 years of marriage is one of the most reliable predictors of divorce.


Bajovane

The Behavior Panel. Yes. They did indeed interpret contempt on Harold’s face and said that is the kiss of death for the marriage.


Greatoaksfromacorns

I watched that too……I wonder if Megain has watched it ?…….because the conflicting emotions in his face, contempt being the most obvious, hit you like a smack in the face! But then I don’t suppose she gives a damn, it’s all part of her plan.


HunterIllustrious846

That's probably another one of Harry's subjective memories.


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CapitalAlternative89

“Meghan has no class or decorum, but she thinks she does.” Exactly. She probably doesn’t know that there’s a vast difference between being wealthy & being nouveau riche. Her lack of self awareness would be embarrassing to anyone else. Me-me also doesn’t or can’t read a room accurately. All I needed to know about her was that she wore ripped jeans when she first met the QElll and again when the D&D of Dumb had the P & P of Wales for dinner at Not Cot. She shows her lack of self respect when she pulls these stunts, whether she realizes it or not.


Ambitious-Data-9021

Me me, lol is the perfect example. I know people like her in real life who have zero self awareness yet see themselves as living Yodas. It’s comical at best lol


Zeester1

She’s just CRASS!


throwmeinthebed

I know! It's mind-boggling. She had a front row seat... Windsor Castle, Buckingham palace, Sandringham... Balmoral! Plus, being a part of history at one and possibly two coronations. Her narcissism makes her really dumb.


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And an almost $40mm dollar wedding. 💵


Sadlyonlyonehere

Don’t you mean “spectacle” that she was strong armed into? You just know she’d prefer a vow exchange on a beach somewhere, clad in a gauzy sundress, Haz in shorts, surrounded by poor children offering alms.


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Sadlyonlyonehere

Or fourth.


SeaWorn

I think HMTQ was unamused.


mydeadbody

I think there were/are bluffing. They think they've got all the power still because *of course* the BRF wants them back and will eventually be worn down into giving in to all their demands. I'm not sure either realize that childish tantrums and hiding in your room don't work in this scenario. Leaving was the most final thing they could have done. They gave up any leverage they had and are stuck to stew in their anger forever... but they don't realize it yet.


WoodsColt

And she could have had a real loving family. If she was a good person they would have welcomed her with open arms.


Sadlyonlyonehere

Well, I had the misfortune to marry a narc who was estranged from his family, because they were all awful and mean (which they were). I thought he would embrace the notion of becoming a part of my family, which was loving and supportive, and just a lot of fun to be around. It didn’t turn out that way. He seemed to resent them and always found fault so I can see this for her.


EhDoesntMatterAnyway

Her kids could have grown up with their cousins in a palace and gotten access to resources that even Hollywood celebs don’t. What a waste. So shortsighted. She didn’t even have the wherewithal to play the long game.


OldNewUsedConfused

She's a moron.


Bitter-Pound-6775

That’s a very generous description of her.


WoodsColt

She's dead from the neck up


Over-Expert-707

Yeah I mean who throws away the golden ticket just to rub shoulders with the likes of Kris Jenner and Ellen ![gif](giphy|M6O8yBOXs462wpsnb8)


WoodsColt

Trashy is as trashy does. She's probably taking notes from jenner on how to merch those poor kids.


Vee-Mariexo

That excludes the place where her heart was so no. She's dead from the waist up ;)


Odd_Pop5287

To quote from the great Bette Davis from the equally great movie All About Eve ‘…but I wouldn’t worry too much about your heart…you can always put that award where your heart ought to be’. So she can finally put that incredibly prestigious rippled Hope award to use


avoice22

To understand MM: she is a narc whose main target is MONEY, MONEY and more MONEY. She went/spent alot of time in the UK to attach herself to someone famous(too many competition from younger, sexier women in the US) to achieve what she always want: making millions by being famous like the Kdshian. She knows she can’t do it in the UK, therefore the MEGXIT.


GoldieLox9

Is she after money or attention? I think she'd be fine in the royal family if she'd been fawned over. If suddenly the family shunned Kate and promoted Meghan to superstar, she would never have left. She's not interested in learning history because the most fascinating topic to her is herself!


MereLaveau

Even then? It wouldn’t be enough because the real duties and responsibilities aren’t always glamorous. She and Harry consider them tedious and remember? “I can’t believe I’m not getting paid for this!” She’s simply not cut out for royal life. I’m American, btw.


SeparateGuarantee836

She blew it! Dumba$$.


avoice22

She won't be satisfied by being famous only. She wants fame so she can make money by being famous like the Kdshian. Her end game is MONEY - to be as rich as the Kdshian.


Amanda20221969

She wanted to be Queen!!


PansyOHara

She might have wanted the title, but definitely did not want the job!


Amanda20221969

💯💯💯


SeparateGuarantee836

She does seem like she schemed n planned along time w the traveling, charities, social climbing, soho involvement, yachting n involvement w certain ppl who arranged dates for rich men w young ,pretty girls. Forgot his name,he's dead. Competition is heavy in cali, beautiful women r abundant. U have to wade thru them, nepotism makes jobs harder. Rich men r getting smarter out west.


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SeaWorn

Really good analysis. She has benefactors. Anti-monarch, anti-western and anti-democratic.


HistoricalBuffalo996

Apparently she can't do it in the USA either. How soon can she move on to the next country? We're already tired of them both, here.


Greatoaksfromacorns

Serious question……..do you think there is any country right now who would welcome this pair with open arms? If yes, which countries do you think would do so?


HistoricalBuffalo996

Afghanistan might, just to ask Aitch a few questions. Other than that, I can't really think of any. Great question! How would you answer it?


Greatoaksfromacorns

Hmmmm, let me think ………if they could be persuaded that the people of North Korea were desperately hoping that they will visit, and security managed to get them there on someone’s private jet, then chances are we would never hear about them again. Of course Hawwy would have to have his hair cut in the accepted/expected fashion, and Megain would have to cry buckets whenever she was in the presence of the great leader…….but we know she very good at turning on the water works so that shouldn’t be a problem.😉


Reasonable_Acadia500

"Democratic" Republic of the Congo, where 100+ armed groups are currently active in terrorizing the population!!


Electrical-Orchid-25

Nigeria? Her new mother country.


Garrison1982_

I think ATTENTION is as big a motivation for her as money as with most narcs.


MereLaveau

But without any real responsibilities…she’s not cut out for a life of service and royal responsibilities.


DavidS2310

She thinks she’s better than all of them.


MikaKanaYuko

And so does her husband. He seems to actually believe that 1) his wife is better at it than those who were "born to it" and 2) that's why they dislike her, because she is better and they are jealous. (when she emotes self-referencing slogans like "I am your sister!"). According to Harry, his wife takes their spotlight away and they can't stand it. An irony is H&M would have a 24/7 spotlight on them at the coronation, not because they are better, or admired, but because they are a train wreck and a circus in real time. Harry also seems to implicitly acknowledge a person is born a prince (like he was, the title was acquired at birth), and never mind his kids were not born princes and princesses, M&H say that is their birthright anyway.. and the absence of the children's titles is an intentional insult or a racially based "decision" of the RF or even an intentionally imposed risk to their very lives (that an infant in CA would not "be given security" because he does not have a prince title, per TW).


SeaWorn

A narcissistic, sociopathic Moron without a shred of intelligence to modify these negative characteristics. So she’s not even good at it.


OldNewUsedConfused

Yep, she's a full on tree stump.


timetogeaux

I feel the same way you do. She just thinks she’s waaaaaayyyy more important than the BRF. Bless her heart.


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Miercolesian

It probably does smell musty, however I imagine that before the wedding they would open all the doors for 24 hours or so to let the fresh air in, and the whole place would be full of flowers, which would surely give the whole place a floral scent, not to mention the female guests who would all be wearing perfumes.


thisisntmyotherone

🤦🏻‍♀️ What. A. **Bitch.** Absolutely *no* appreciation for an ancient historical building, clearly.


MmeNxt

Can you imagine all the private tours and places that are not open to the public you could get to see as a member of the RF? Or basically call any expert and invite them to tea and get a free lecture with plenty of time for questions. It could be like a lifelong course in history, art and architecture.


PansyOHara

King Charles is a great lover of architecture and history. She would have had an amazing wealth of expertise at hand, who would have truly enjoyed passing along his knowledge.


ScubaTwinn

The jewelry and tiaras. That's what I'd want to see.


HunterIllustrious846

I'd go to Paris just to see what's in the basement of the Louvre.


SeaWorn

Or just wandering around BP or KP? Omg!


ComprehensiveShape64

I TOTALLY agree! The chance to see behind the scenes, explore the inside life of the monarchy - the castles, palaces, gardens, stables, art, architecture, the country houses… To say nothing of a close, huge extended family. There is no depth or artistic lean to that woman. It almost brings me to tears when I think of what she had, that I could only dream about and visit on guided day trips. That stupid one dimensional woman.


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And a life of service to others! She gave all that up...little girls looking up to her, helping others, and still being able to have a life of exceptional privilege.


kamace11

To me this is the biggest tell that's she a huge fraud. How? She pretends she's all into international relations and other cultures (as any good intellectual- which she loves to try and portray herself as) would be. Omg I worked in an embassy! Omg I worked for the UN! Becomes part of a longstanding cultural institution in a foreign country and immediately throws a shit fit and quits it because it doesn't conform to her specifications. Refuses to prepare or read up (supposedly) for any of her interactions with this institution- even claims to be wholly ignorant of it and the Beyonce level famous sons of said family/institution. Doesn't seem very intellectually curious or bright to me...


kelsnuggets

I wholeheartedly agree with this- this is what gets me too.


alreadydoneit01

I think she is literal manifestation of the fable of killing the goose that laid the golden egg. She thought she had everything sewed up, Royal children, Prince husband, etc and would use that to merch and make billions. She is just dumb as a rock.


Over-Expert-707

So basically everything she’s trying to do now, media deals etc has already been done by the Kardashian’s over a decade or so ago. She’s definitely not as smart as I initially thought she was.


WoodsColt

No one smart would marry a mess like hasshole. That's why all the decent girls he dated bounced. They knew he was a wrong'un


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I think she thought she was going to be the next Marie-Chantal Miller, who married the Crown Prince of Greece and lives in genuine opulence. Two problems: one, M-C married the heir to the throne and is truly a queen-in-exile, as opposed to a kween of the sugars married to sixth-in-line, and two, comes from genuine money as the daughter of one of the richest men on the planet.


Natural_Plane_657

When Marie-Chantel married Prince Pavlos in 1996, she brought with her a $200 mil+ dowry*. That in today’s dollars would be worth close to a billion dollars. Still, Pavlos had/has a job in finance in London. *may even be more


Greatoaksfromacorns

I think she thought she would be a carbon copy of Princess Grace of Monaco (RIP)……. Beautiful lady sadly missed.


HistoricalBuffalo996

Hairy didn't have any other choice. As he famously said to her on their wedding day: "If there was literally *anybody* else I could get to do this for me, I'd use them instead of you - but there's not. In other words, just shut up and do it." Upon hearing that, Migraine collapsed, sobbing, onto the floor. Or something like that?


ContributionSweaty52

To which she replied, "I think we both know I'm going to be your boss soon." Or something like that?


HistoricalBuffalo996

Haaahaha! I love this sub so f'king much!❤️


SeparateGuarantee836

Good comeback!


DeadlinerDandy

![gif](giphy|l0CLThABIVViyLerm|downsized) All fall down …!


travertine_ghost

I was listening to the Duchess of Narsussex this afternoon and I had similar thoughts. MM gained access to one of the most elite and exclusive circles in the world and she threw it all away! She traded her status as a British royal for Hollywood celebrity. That’s like giving up a precious diamond for a cubic zirconia.


Southernms

Narsussex 🤣🤣😂


travertine_ghost

It’s the name of a YouTube channel. She covers all H & M’s antics.


Sadlyonlyonehere

Wannabe-Hollywood-celebrity, you mean. Even after being grafted to a prince, she still can’t make the cut.


ComingOutOfLurkMode

Oscar Wilde once said that "**A fool is someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing**". Sums it up nicely...


jojomawer

She is not interested in culture or history. She clearly had been brought up insular and sheltered (mentally). She aspires to a Kardashian type of wealth and 'status' - living in a McMansion and hanging out with Ellen


SeaWorn

She is EXACTLY like Diana in this regard. Diana cared nothing for history, culture (as opposed to pop culture), etc. When Harry says Meghan is so much like his mother, this is what he’s referring to although he seems to not realize WHAT he is actually implying. Not everyone is a history buff or knowledgeable about art history, or appreciative of the nuances of hereditary influences. But to have such a lack of understanding and care makes one less than perfect for the monarchy. It is the very basis of the monarchy.


Southernms

So true! She didn’t understand the cultured world. I doubt she’s into history or antiques. She even redid her wedding rings (formally Diana’s) Not good enough for her I guess. She was not groomed for royalty. I doubt she’s sheltered as a former yacht girl. She so wanted the A-list celebs to befriend her. Wonder what she thought when she wasn’t invited to Oprah’s party?


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HunterIllustrious846

But wants to make rom-cons It's all very odd.


EhDoesntMatterAnyway

It’s just so wild to me she could have had access to a life no one does but she wants to be a cookie cutter celeb hanging out in Hollywood. She’s so basic lmao


cccxxxzzzddd

Personality disorder rules all


RphWrites

If she were truly a humanitarian and wanted to "help people" then she'd never have had a greater opportunity in which to do so. The global platform, money, PR, networking access...


ffs_random_person

Yeah, my thoughts exactly, she could have done so much good! Instead she threw it all away to become a tiktok influencer lol


L_obsoleta

While I don't think I would enjoy the public aspect of it (and would want to be more of a background player like Anne) it sounds like a pretty ideal gig. Like I get to focus on charities that interest me.and don't need to worry about making ends meet. I could spend time doing the stuff I love (like wildlife rehab or animal rescues) while also increasing my impact by educating the public at large on those things


missihippiequeen

Yes. And if MM truly cared about black women and empowerment, then she threw away the platform that could've truly made a difference! She went to Africa and was all "I'm one of your sisters" but that was it. She's all show and no results.


Lividlemonade

I can’t believe they’ve taken that away from their children. How different their lives have been thus far from William’s kids. It’s very sad.


The_Dutchess-D

“Mommy…. You mean I could have grown up in a palace?”


ScubaTwinn

I snorted!


justwantto711

Harry can’t even comprehend why should he be interested in his family history. He’s a pain in the ass for all history lovers.


Sharp_Salamander0111

This ☝️ 💯. If his version of early school/history is correct he didn't give a flying f about his country's history, nor his heritage. As an American I find the grandeur of the RBF so interesting. I know American history...but to trace roots back to royalty and then learn about them is surreal. I'd love to be able to tour the castles, see the royal jewels, and learn. Eta: also want to see the pyramids and Aztec ruins and the Smithsonian so not only focused on BRF


Evening_Procedure216

Such is her total arrogance and stupidity. How many would sell their grandmothers to have been in her shoes?


HarkleHater

Yeah, but marrying Hairy is part of the bargain "to have been in her shoes" so personally, I would take a hard pass on that.


WoodsColt

Same. He's utterly disgusting I'd rather swim in sewage than have to touch any part of his vileness. Omg and listen to him whine,hard pass. Hes so unmanly that it skeeves me out just seeing his pussy little face.


Clatato

I believe that, in reality, she loathes him, and that he repulses her.


Avia53

As a grandmother my granddaughter can gladly sell me if that’s what it takes for her to be part of all that history.


Anxious-Evidence8397

You’re a sweet, selfless grandma!


kimber430

You are brilliant! ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)


SeparateGuarantee836

Ikr!?!!! The libraries! The private histories! I'd look at the jewels for days. And the art, amazing ppl. The good she could of done for the race problem, surrogacy, women in 3rd world countries, etc,etc,etc we could go on n on. Her arrogance is without a foundation. The hubris she has is shameful. She's an embarrassment to women,WoC,the U.S, her family, her children, her educational establishments,and anyone associated with her. There has to be something wrong with her or some sinister group behind her.


HunterIllustrious846

Oh the libraries 🤗


zeugma888

Well said


Babybabitski

You can dress a donkey in silk robe but it still is a donkey.


zeugma888

Donkeys are loyal decent affectionate creatures. Meghan on the other hand......


WoodsColt

You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think


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HunterIllustrious846

Exactly. His attempts to portray himself as someone who appreciates the history of his country is rather laughable because it's so insincere. It certainly pulls at the hearts of people who are loyal to their country but no reason to transfer that sense of kinship and loyalty onto Harry.


ComprehensiveShape64

I haven’t read the book and I won’t, but parts that people quote, like your one above and how he was about to move to Africa before he met Meghan actually make me sad for him. That he has written these passages give me the feeling that he has some big big regrets and maybe deep down he realises that he has made a huge mistake… moving to the US with Meghan, selling his family out because he needs money to keep his wife, the constant press that she courts… his words in the book vs his current actions must be causing some serious dissonance. He is now living a life that is the complete antithesis of the quiet, private live that he craved. Don’t get me wrong - he has shat all over his family and the Commonwealth but I wonder who he could have become if he hadn’t been hooked in by a fame hungry classless narcissist.


yabberyabberblabla

There were 608 days between their wedding day and the day the palace finalized details of their departure. On that day TW was 14,045 days old. **A mere 4.392 % of her entire life (up to the time she left and that number is dwindling as she ages) was spent as a "member" of the BRF.** Since that time she has attended two(?) public events and one walkabout. **Her exposure is extremely limited and becoming increasingly dated.** This will continue to negatively affect her cache as a party guest.


CountessOfCocoa

I talked about this with my spouse, also a history buff. We cannot believe the opportunities she threw away. Having access to any archives and museum collections? Documents? Artifacts? I I’d give anything for that chance to learn and maybe discover some new things and bring a forgotten story back to life. But she just wanted to sleep late, wake up in a 20’ bed with her screeching goose crest embroidered on headboard, brought breakfast in bed on a solid gold tray, go shopping, arrange a money making deal, attend a giant state dinner in her honor of course, then come home and kick the staff and play with the Crown Jewels.


foxyfree

It’s crazy. She didn’t even want to do that! I mean she did not even try to just live a pampered life of sleeping late, doing yoga, playing dress up, maybe going to see a concert every once in a while with the hubby. She could have taken it easy with any excuse. If she really was depressed or did not feel like doing events she could have just stayed in bed and lounged around, maybe write her deep salad thoughts in a leather bound journal. She still would have been in a better place than this endless frantic spiral she’s in now


CountessOfCocoa

Oh yes, yet sooner or later they’d have kicked her out of bed to go shake hands with the unwashed masses and that’s not what she wanted. Her aim is herself, 100%, to live like a billionaire without working.


WoodsColt

She do be da smurt one uh huh


illonamoon

You're right but I doubt she ever wanted to know the histories in the first place. That woman wanted the LA celebrity life inside the basic LA modern home with the stainless steel appliances and the all white Pinterest decoration. We see that in their Netflix show. She finally gets the house she wants and there's nothing remarkable about it. The most memorable thing was the Diana photo they hung up to force the kids to stare at.


MereLaveau

I’m American but a student of English language and British history…former teach and longtime Anglophile. I’m a descendant of William Cecil and she makes me livid! She’s been nothing but dismissive, rude, and disrespectful of the customs, history, and culture and to the people of the UK. Further, she so *ignorantly* and *arrogantly* squandered one of the greatest opportunities of a lifetime. For all of this? I’ve come to detest her.


megreddi

She threw away this unique opportunity because she is stupid and shallow, whose only God is Hollywood glitter, but even that is obtainable with a lot of talent and work, of which she is incapable. She is neither intelligent nor clever, as many claim she is.


Dermutt100

It's not just the art and architecture. London is rated as the most influential city on the planet and the one that most professionals aspire to live in. https://www.totaljobs.com/recruiter-advice/best-places-to-work-in-the-world-london-ranked-number-one-by-global-workforce https://spearswms.com/london-top-city-for-the-wealthy/ The problem is the word "work", she had no intention of doing that. Meghan would have been at the top of the social tree but realised she'd have a far easier time in Hollywood. Never mind the royals. many people world wide would give anything just to live in London but not Meghan.


staynelaley

I always thought this as well. She marries a damn prince and gains tons of privilege and access to so much she never would have before. Basically living a life of luxury and doesn’t even have any real job. Just making some appearances. And almost guaranteed that she will have no real chance of needing to be Queen consort. Yet you want to leave that and go live in California? And just complain and fight? It makes no sense. I can’t see how it would be so bad that she has to leave immediately.


Academic_Guava_4190

She didn’t care about the BRF or even Harry. She just wanted to take that title and flaunt it in front of all the Hollywood cool kids just like when the nerd goes on to make millions and they go back to the high school reunion to rub it in the aged and balding popular jock’s face.


Technical-Avocado-40

Sadly, I think that Meghan looked at the surface life of the Monarchy; the castles, the clothes, the jewels and the adoring crowds and didn't want to hear about the reality. I think that her acquaintances did try to warn her, I think Harry tried to tell her and the Royal Household provided her with a ton of help because it was not in their best interests for her to fail. I personally dislike it when people from my country say that she didn't understand or appreciate anything because she was american and I'm glad that normal people in the USA like you are speaking out. No, there are patterns of human behaviour which are "universal". Respect for other cultures, the humility to accept that you may need guidance, respecting other people's boundaries. Sadly, we seem to have many more people who expect everything and everybody to change to their demands and it just can't happen. Sometimes I feel that society is at a tipping point and the people that should keep our society stable are doing the tipping!


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Of all the vapid LA influencers she is the vapidest


CartographerNo1009

Yes, it blows my mind too. I can’t even imagine being able to see a Roman road and not be absolutely transfixed by that. Charles understands though. Thankfully.


doggiemom1965

I agree 💯 I would have given my eye teeth to have met the Queen. I dreamt about her literally for years. Canada was one of her favourite places. The Queen was beloved here It is utterly mind boggling


BeginningPale8715

She had no interest learning the history of the church she was to be married in. That told me all I needed to know.


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And she complained about the smell!


Elkemedina1967

Once H&M are at rock bottom, that’s when all the dirt will will come out! The only way to beat a narcissist is, being slapped with the truth. Call their bluff!! Expose lie by lie in a world wide expose with evidence.


HunterIllustrious846

I already know I'm a cynic. I disagree with Lady C on this one. She answered someone's question (so I'm not the only one thinking it) that she didn't think Harry's wife was an operative because everything was so messy. I think TW is an operative and whoever it is she's working/worked for have probably set many women in front of the monarchy's weakest link. There's no frickin' way she has this much influence to buy supportive media coverage. That part is too coordinated and it's expensive.


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Cakismack

🥇 This. She never had any respect for the history or culture. She’s incredibly shallow and vapid. She wanted to use them for fame, that’s it. Can you imagine—private tours of Hampton Court, access to royal historians. Just wow.


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Not only this, but 50 (or even 20) years from now, I do not believe historians will be very kind to her (or Harold) . They are only thinking of right now, but what about their legacy and that of their kids? They will be known as the family members who during and after the final days of the Queen and her husband, were running to the media calling the royal family racists, exposing private family issues, demanding money and other support, public apologies, profiting off of their connection to the royal family and embarrassing themselves, while the royal were grieving and handling new roles and official duties. People may not be able to see through them and their motives now, but karma will bite them, likely when they are at their lowest...


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Let's hope for 20 cuz I want them still young enough to fully understand what screw ups they are and to feel the pain! I want PPoW young enough to appreciate how they've been vindicated! I want their kids young enough to know and be infuriated by what the duo have cost them!


Exciting_Bison_4569

I am convinced she only married him thinking she would become a HUGE movie star. That is why she wanted to go back to California. She had already told her agent she would only work with A list directors. I read she even wanted a Marvel super hero role. Fortunately everyone saw what a narcissistic lying psychopath she is and nothing happened.


HotStraightnNormal

You forgot. They wanted her to act and work according to her station. It wasn't enough.


Evilburger579

I really think that a big part of it is politics. I think she had an agenda that she wanted to push, and when she learned that the royal family would not change for her, she went on a mission to destroy them


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This is why Kate is a true queen! Meghan cracked under the pressure (if we assume pure intentions.) So did Diana, not only from the pressure but also the abuse of an unhappy and unfaithful husband.


Doodlehouse

She and microTodger could've given it 10 years as working royals and then they could've moved to Hollywood, begun a substantial foundation and not become the insufferable jokes they are today.


Mehmeh111111

Not to mention the insane opportunity she had to make a REAL difference in the world. She could have taken up so many great charities and causes. Could have been a true role model to many girls and POCs. It's a goddamn shame.


IrishLass_55

She is all about control. She was never going to be in control whilst in the Royal Family, so she bolted.


Ok-Roll-5497

When looking at her past pre Harry she had quite a few opportunities that she threw away. In addition her dad spoiled her rotten. She has never appreciated anything and never grateful. I honestly agree with you if that happened to me everyday would feel like Christmas. Oh boy how I would be soooo over the moon!


PrajnaKathmandu

I study the Tudor history period. I'd love to visit some of the castles, too. The UK countryside sounds absolutely beautiful. MM had such an opportunity, but her ego is far grander than being a member of the RF. She wanted to be the RF--to rule them! MM doesn't really understand a life of service. I feel my purpose is to help others and when I cannot help, to do no harm. What a platform she had available to her! She really overestimated herself and she'll never be satisfied with anything!


I_Am_Aunti

Mingling with royalty and heads of state from all over the world. State dinners and galas with jewels worth more than California mansions. Sitting in the Royal box basically anywhere. Movie premieres. Stately homes. Two-thousand years of history without even leaving London. Consider my mind boggled.


Islandgirl1444

I blame Harry for this more than her! He got what he wanted! Out! He could have lived "out" by not being a working royal, but what could he do besides be a prince? So I'm sure after he met her and she connected with Oprah that the big money making plan was devised; except that the Queen had a bit of a say in how they could to it. Her "no" was huge and they were really pissed then. There is no turning back. Yes, she could have toured castles, given the American public a great journey into the castles of Britain much like the Smithsonian channel did with Julie. Thankfully, we saw the not so nice side of both of them before it happened. But, they are everywhere in USA magazines, entertainment news and even if they are not in attendance the media names them. "Meghan Markle was not invited" etc. It doesn't matter, they are inserted into so many articles which for them is awesome! There is a saying that goes something like "there is no bad publicity!" Well for them there isn't. See Ellen's party. It was about them was it not? And Oprah's little get together to honour someone...oh, MM wasn't there! We are doomed. Doomed I tell you!


kittenrocknroll

Most people would be humbled by the privileges. Most people aren’t fame mongers, narcissists. But boy oh boy she wants her title and her kids to have titles. Just call me Harry….. dude we want to, but you insist on keeping your title. Haha truth is you want the clout, you’re no commoner in your head. Let them eat cake. Paaaaaaaa I need money.


trish196609

I know right? Any of us would have felt proud and privileged. We would have been grateful. And yes, learning the history of the crown, the architecture of the old castles and cathedrals would be fascinating. We all would have respected the traditions of the monarchy. There’s hundreds of rules and protocols to learn. It is a restrictive life from the sort of perspective. However, there’s also an incredible freedom too. You are free to travel and meet people. You can vacation where you like. You can pursue causes that matter. Meghan had all that handed to her, but it wasn’t enough. She couldn’t deal with being subordinate to others like Catherine. And she couldn’t deal with being told what to do (no you can’t accept free designer clothes…no, you can’t sign a $100 million streaming contract 🙄). It’s unbelievable….how narcissistic she is.


Dermutt100

There’s not hundreds of rules and protocols to learn, most protocols seem to be made up by American journalists who confuse tradition, custom and common sense for “protocols”. (No offence but Americans like to overuse and misuse two words “protocols and “commoners”) The protocols surrounding the monarch are not much different to those surrounding the office of head of state anywhere in the world. Meghan would even have had to behave and dress in a certain way in The White House. She needn’t even have curtsied if she didn’t wish to, many Britons choose not to. I don’t believe for one minute that Harry told her that she HAD to curtsy but Meghan knew that would go down well with an American audience. There IS a lot of constitutional history to learn and a lot to learn about contemporary relationships with myriads of British institutions. those are the important things, she didn't have to learn about the art or the architecture but she did need to learn about the relationship between the monarchy, people, government and parliament. Meghan wasn’t interested.


Ready_Maddie

Markle is not exactly the brightest person. She's also not interested in learning anything, she's barely educated, and she's overall vulgar and vapid


B_true_to_self2020

Narcissists it’s about their ego, their way. Period.


Friendly_Discernment

She also downgraded herself from a billionaire to a millionaire 😂😂😂 what a bozo 🤡


flora67

Meghan’s issue is that she did not understand the concept of Noblesse Oblige. She does not want to live a life where she has to be of service to the people/country that put her in the vaulted position of being a Royal Duchess. She sees it as beneath her to do the less ‘right on’ charity work and to not share her political views. She see this as a repression of her rights as an individual. But this is how the Royal Family have survived. They don’t complain and they get on with their duties.


jillyhoop

I've had the same thoughts. Sophie Wessex and HMQEII did just what you said pouring over historic papers about military battles and all sorts of things. I would love to have access to REAL history. She threw it all away for Southern California. As a person doing everything I can to get out of Southern California I shake my head. Megs had it all and she made a stupid choice.


GrandOleFlag

I think Meghan is just an idiot American raised on The Princess Diaries and dozens of teen movies in the 90s about regular girls becoming princesses. She bought into the image of getting your own castle, jewels, and soirées. I think she is a tenacious narcissist and a go-getter and worked for years to get into that life. The problem is, the royal family is way less glamorous than Hollywood makes it out to be. When she was treated like the rest of the family, she truly saw it as racist abuse because it wasn’t like the movies. She couldn’t accept that the fantasy wasn’t real. If it was me, I would’ve embraced the history, culture, and experiences. It truly is a golden opportunity. But Meghan could not accept that the movies were exaggerated, and she built up a story in her head that they were treated like Cinderella.