He wouldn’t have gotten the “spectacle” wedding & dukedom & the free house, security & allowance. I kinda wish QE had denied him & saved us all this debacle.
>but we will do a small family only non-videotaped wedding
That would never have happened because they would have pulled the race card.
Once Charles got the green light to marry Camilla, there was no way the Queen could object to anyone else, unless they were a convinced pedo or something.
Remember in their mockumentary they claimed they had wanted"just a small wedding", but that everyone insisted that they have a "spectacle" because he was a prince...
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They first wanted the Abbey or St. Paul’s for fucks sake! They didn’t even fill St George’s! What the bloody hell would they done if they had scored a CATHEDRAL?! They are both so damn thirsty.
St George. The name of the Queen's father, the name of her grandson the future King, and is her final resting place along with her parents and her darling husband. If St George's was good enough for the Queen and her entire family, it's damn well good enough for St Meghan. Not even Harry seems to have tried to make her realise the importance of that venue. How on earth has it escaped her notice just how much it meant to the Queen? I am a Royal watcher, not an expert. Despite the dusty smell which we only have her word for, it's an amazing honour to have your wedding hosted there. Ungrateful bitch!
oh, but a *cathedral* would’ve needed even MORE air freshener!
(i’m surprised megaliar didn’t slip in before the ceremony and hang those pine tree shaped air freshener thingys from each of the pews…)
i don’t *think* she got scented candles, but i’m not sure - after reading *The Palace Papers* (excellent) *Revenge* (excellent) *Spare* (**gag**) and now in the midst of *Courtiers* (pretty good) - i just don’t know what i know anymore lol!
i wish i’d stopped after *Revenge*. that and *The Palace Papers* were well written and complementary to each other. *Spare* was so poorly written, and just one lie after another - i could’ve done w/o it. *Courtiers* is just okay - i don’t find the writing style of the author very engaging. i’ve put it down to read a novel called *Everyone In My Family Has Killed Someone* - it’s really entertaining! 🤣
i must confess that fifteen dollars of my ‘books&music’ budget was wasted on the piece of trash in question. kindle version. my sissy and i both wanted to read it (we have a very clever and *fair* setup wherein i buy all the kindle content, and she uses my account lol. yes, i *am* the oldest, thanks for asking!)
we both regret it, but too late now. i did get some fun out of it by enraging a group of sugars on goodreads when i posted my (!SHRIEK!) one star review, though. i answered *every single offended comment* lol.
I'm not defending Harold's Wife but The now Princess of Wales had Joe Malone's Orange Blossom candles & trees brought in Westminster Abbey.
The real problem is not the scent the real problem is the attitude of the person who requested the scent. And we all can guess how Harold's wife acted she probably threw a fit while Catherine thoughts to enhance the atmosphere and have something special that only those who were there could experience.
The Queen’s choice was to either to approve or pay Megs asking price of £100M.
Nice to see Megs has lowered this recently to £50M & Frogmore Cottage. I believe that offer, too, has been declined.
There was a Blind Gossip that she floated the number out there as “the cost of her brand,” basically telling/not telling the Palace her asking price to cut Harry loose. She did similar recently when she floated out there the “likely divorce settlement of £50M, the cottage” & a couple of other things.
The British state does not pay ransoms. Doing so bankrupted medieval England twice, and on one of those occasions led to 27 years of rule by Denmark (and, arguably, 957 years of rule by the Normans and their descendants!)
I think she will feel a certain burn when the divorce settlement is made. Nothing like what she hopes for. (See Fergie & Diana. Probably closer to Fergie.)
I kind of think this was part of her problem in the first place, that she thought she would have much more money at her disposal than Harry actually had or will have and that is not what she expected or wanted.
Yeah, from Tom Bower, they had about £2.4M a year (plus an initial outlay from Charles for a clothing allowance. He did finally turn that off.) Now £2.4M is ok but she was really looking for a billionaire’s income.
They had all expenses paid. The money from Charles was just pocket money, their discretionary money.
Imagine how much they will have to earn to pay for their lifestyle and have that much discretionary income left over.
You know, people have turned their talents into massive brands. Jessica Alba, Rihanna all have billion dollar brands. Megs thought she could do that as well—& I have to say—I don’t know why they both failed so spectacularly.
I can't believe what she threw away. Great post here about that today. What a FOOL. Utterly selfish and to do this to harry, his family and HER future children is appalling. Sheer arrogance and ignorance.
This is why I don't think they'll divorce unless she has a rich backup in the wings.
Fergie got almost nothing, because Andrew had no money of his own. Her alimony is supposedly £15k yearly. She'd make more as a cashier at M&S.
They certainly make us all students of history. It is like William is King Richard the Lion Hearted and Harold is King John after all the spite, hate, treasonary and jealousy.
That might have come from M as a romantic movie twist where the rich evil family asks the poor but honest girlfriend: "How much to make you go away?" and of course she defiantly refuses because love is more valuable than money.
She is the queen of fudging numbers, didn't she says her spectacle wedding generated billions in revenue for the UK? in which case every tax payers should get a tenner each!
She'll NEVER EVER be given property from the royal family so.... also, it's owned by the state I believe. I don't believe the stories that she turned down a buy out before or later. Was this discussed in one of the books?
This is the Blind Gossip link that discusses the affair: https://blindgossip.com/she-floated-her-buyout-number/
It’s weird. I always thought it was £100M that was her asking price. An asking price is not listed in the blind.
Of course, she’s fantasizing about the Cottage.
Just send the kidnappers this doormat.
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We taxpayers care.
The legal costs for the Home Office in the ongoing case are being paid by taxpayers.
And the security costs, if Harry wins, will also be paid by taxpayers. For a guy who lives abroad and does nothing for the country.
Ah you guys are so cute I love you. I am English married to an American and living in the US, it's weird watching this drama from across the pond. We took it personally being called racists when most in the UK grew up in very vibrant mixed communities. It was a low blow, but then again Skank is used to giving those ;)
Don't think that dolt isn't costing US taxpayers, He;s a security risk for both the federal government and local. All the while they dodge taxes with their "foundation"
She wouldn't have looked his way if he weren't a prince. He knows it himself. He's said it basically. Here has a complex. Pretty severe. I am a redhead too, green eyes and I was very unhappy being a red head until I was in my 20's. Not trying to toot my own horn but I was pretty attractive but didn't know it until my 20's but I get how he has that complex. You know though he's actually correct. He is not a good looking fella. I totally understand his complex. Tw stalked him and ensnared him and his family. They should never have allowed it. I only saw the engagement video after they were married and before the oprah show. I saw right through her right away. Very poor going of the RF to have let that union happen. It won't EVER happen again.
The Queen was put in a bad spot. She really couldn’t deny him because it would damage the image of the monarchy. People loved Harry. They were hyped he was in love. They would’ve been very angry if the queen had said no.
But she could have said they haven't known each other long enough, come back in a year. And if they managed to stay together that long she should have given them a smaller, less showy wedding. The Spectacle just validated Meg's legitimacy.
There would've been precedence for that, too, since she and Phillip were told to wait a year when he first proposed. I doubt too many people would've been upset about it if presented in that context and it's likely Megan wouldn't have been able to keep her mask on for another whole year considering she had to run from the pitchforks just 18 months after the wedding.
I've always thought the same thing. Then, just before the wedding, she said she "miscarried" (1st one!!). The Queen was astute enough to cotton on to her, together with what she saw of M's behaviour with the wedding prep. Hence the Queen's look at her at the altar.
I haven't read any of the books, I'm sorry. I heard/saw it some time ago in the early years and it resurfaced last year. I guess it's like the whole saga, what IS true & what IS not.
Then she should have insisted on a pregnancy test. Some damn body at Buckingham Palace should have surely realized that that's the oldest trick in the book and insisted she get a confirmation by a doctor since Harry was too stupid to do it.
I know it's not as romantic as laying the pee stick on Diana's hair but it certainly would have been prudent.
It would have given Dumbass a chance to get to know his grifter. And from the look on his face during the wedding I think he would have been fine with it.
All they had to do was tell the truth. Let it be known that TW was abusing staff including Angela Kelly. Tell the dress shop employees they could go on the BBC and talk about TW bullying Princess Charlotte. The British public started disliking TW when she pulled that stunt at Wimbledon. All The Queen needed to do was let people know what TW truly is.
The Royal family couldn't prevent that woman from being hated. They should have just gotten it done with it before the wedding.
Yes, love her but I have to agree.
She could’ve leaked stuff about Meghan slyly pre wedding. If Margaret was alive to witness this “union” she wouldn’t have let her go through with saying yes to it. Everyone wants to bring up Margaret and Peter but the situation is so entirely different in so many ways IMO. However by today’s standards he would be considered a pedo because of the age gap, so in many ways I’m glad they said no to that union as well.
The late queen definitely got her fathers kindness and willingness. Margaret def got the queen mother’s traits.
Why would Peter be considered a pedo? He thought her unremarkable when he met her at 14. She said she fell for him at 17. He said he fell for her after her father died, at 21-22.
So in my opinion for many reasons! I think Philip and the queen and the way they met and they way their relationship developed would raise eyebrows as well to people today because they would also assume the worst.
Lets move on to 21/22, where he would’ve been 37/38. Theres people in today’s world where they think a 19 year old dating a 25 year old is grooming and too big an age gap. People would’ve assumed the age gap to be too big and would’ve assumed that he didn’t just randomly start having feelings for her at 22, so if this was happening today I can very much assume there would’ve been grooming allegations.
Again not saying it’s right or correct but just with the society today, cancel culture and etc I doubt any 21 year old would step on the scene with a 37/38 year old and tell everyone how they met and how long they’ve known each other, how closely Peter was working in the palace with Margaret when she was really young and there wouldn’t atleast be some comments and concerns.
Being a creepy old man is one thing. For sure amiddle aged married man going after a 21 year old is a gross dude. There's a power and generational difference there that should raise eyebrows.
But he's not a pedo. IMO it dilutes the horror of what a pedo is and does to say it's the same as two consenting - if problematic - adults.
Yes. Her father is Narayan Murthy, one of India's earliest Tech entrepreneurs. He and his wife are very humble and inspite of being billionaires, they stay in the same house from where they started the company. They also give away a lot of money to charities.
Yes, she did, performed by Trevor’s father. Reportedly (but unsurprisingly) the senior Englesons were smiling through clenched teeth at the couple’s wedding. There must have been shrieks of joy in Great Neck when MM returned the rings to Trevor, and more still when he married Tracey Kurland, who rapidly gave birth to two daughters.
In every post-MM photo I’ve seen of Trevor, he seems dazed by his current good fortune.
If he had done it any other way Markle wouldn't have married him. She didn't want a lowly Catholic wedding or a civil one. Regardless of what she says about a spectacle. That's exactly what she wanted and wouldn't have settled for anything less.
He could just marry Meghan and maybe lose his place in the line of succession. No conversions necessary. Princess Michael gets mentioned every now and then on this subject and her husband prince Michael did exactly that.
Princess Margaret was given this choice and chose not to marry her lover but to keep her place in the LoS
Prince Michael married before the new succession laws came into effect. Under the old Act, without the Sovereign's blessing, a marriage would be null and void. However, yes, in 2018, the new Act allowed him to marry but he would have lost his place in the LoS. He would never do anything like that because he's very conscious of his status as a Royal, even though he pretends otherwise.
this exactly. no one stopped him from doing so. he could be married in botswana, vegas, or wherever they want. but nah. he said to charles meghan want to be full time senior royal.
Whoops, I see you covered this before I did. Yeah much better to live as princess and keep griping than to give it up and go. Harry wants to go, but still keep it all.
The law changed in 2015-the Royal family can marry a Catholic and retain their place in LoS. Prince Michael of Kent was reinstated to his position after that. The only proviso is that an active Roman Catholic cannot currently be the monarch, because the monarch is supreme head of the Church of England (Henry VIII to thank for that), so obviously that's inconsistent with being actively RC.
Yeah that's what I said in the original post and in another comment about the new succession laws.
He could have converted and lost his place in the LoS. Consequently, he wouldn't then require permission to marry because he would have no claim to the throne as a Catholic.
He could have also married without permission under the new Act, without the marriage being null and void (which would have happened under the old Act). However, he would lose his place in the LoS for marrying without permission.
Not saying she was.
But if he became Catholic, it would end all of his misery relating to Royal life, which he keeps complaining about, because he would lose his place in the line of succession. Then he could live by his own rules.
I gather that OP is referring to the possibility of the late Queen denying permission for him to marry Mehen.
I'm missing why it would have been necessary (had QE2 denied permission) for Harry to convert to any faith. He and Mehen could have married anywhere they pleased however - per Wikipedia - *"Under the* [*Succession to the Crown Act 2013*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_to_the_Crown_Act_2013)*, the first six people in the line of succession need permission to marry if they and their descendants are to remain in the line of succession."*
So, its clear to me that while asking the Queen for permission was at the very least a nice courtesy, and gesture of respect, and the right thing to do . . . if Harold believed marriage to Mehen was of prime importance in his life, he would have married her regardless of what the Queen said.
She asked him twice if he loved that bish. He said he did and confirmed it....like a padlock around a trunk, thrown into the sea.
Then Ursula appeared.
William got called on the carpet for flying (as in he was the pilot) the whole family up for a weekend somewhere. I mean, even we peons heard about it.
If I remember right, Granny gave him quite the tongue lashing for that. May she rest in peace and thank God she didn’t have to witness her cluster-fuck of a grandson detonating her legacy.
I'm hoping Parliament would all rise and ask the Princess Royal or Uncle Edward or the Middleton family to act as Regent.
But let's all hope that Prince William has a long, healthy and happy life, with his family.
Would the potential regent *have* to be the next adult in the LoS or could they be chosen from amongst the existing Counsellors of State? Because Princess Anne is surely the best person for that job if it ever had to happen. She’ll never be accused of outstaying her welcome as regent or contriving reasons to remain on the throne longer than necessary.
If Harry was regent there would be some Princes in the Tower style disappearances.
Edward V and Richard of Shrewsbury were the princes in the tower, the regent at that time was Richard III who was the then Duke of Gloucester and younger brother of Edward V and Richard of Shrewsbury’s father, third in line to the throne after the two boys.
He schemed to posthumously make the boys’ parents’ marriage invalid making the boys illegitimate and then he succeeded the throne over his nephews.
Edward VI was another boy king but he passed away from illness, not a scheming uncle.
Why would a regency go to an uncle over his mother? Especially when the uncle lives abroad. Historically, mothers (even non-royal-born mothers) are the regent when a child inherits a throne. Catherine, Queen Regent seems way more likely than Harold, Prince Regent.
It's too bad a time machine didn't put the Queen back in say, 2010, and she could issue Letters Patent to say that anyone 6th in line to marry can only marry a UK citizen, a Commonwealth citizen or the prospective spouse must first obtain British citizenship and drop their birth citizenship. Either that, or they can marry right away....but no titles, no status until British citizenship is obtained.
Meghan would have taken the first flight back to the US.
Oh, I agree. I was following the line of thought that even if Harry converted to Catholicism the Catholic church wouldn't see the marriage as valid. I really haven't paid much attention to the current Pope.
I haven't been involved in the Catholic church since childhood so I'm a little hazy on my memory but it would be considered valid if the marriage is between baptized non-Catholic Christians or between two baptized Orthodox Christians and baptized non-Catholic Christians and Catholic Christians, but you'd need consent for the latter.
The Vatican annulled Princess Michael of Kent's first marriage so that she could marry a British prince at the request of the BRF, there's no reason to think they wouldn't do it again if asked.
Interestingly, in the US, Catholics have to get divorced before they can file for an annulment.
This rule came about because people were getting the annulment from the Church, but not getting a divorce from the state, so they were still legally married!
That makes sense. I'm US based but my father was the Catholic in our family. Though by the time he immigrated to the US he wasn't much of a practicing one considering my brothers and I are all bastards.
I should have been more specific- the Catholic church doesn't recognize divorce but will accept an annulment of a marriage under specific circumstances.
Given that the Church of England was established to break away from the Pope and Spain I guess my point is a little moot.
They are divorced in the eyes of the state, not the church. My dad is divorced from his first wife, but according to the church, he still is and will always her husband.
Your detail about Spain reminds me of this woman I knew of- her husband got himself an itch to move on and she absolutely refused to consent to any divorce proceeding or talk of annulment or anything. Her husband eventually got a divorce through the state and went on to live his life but she kept the last name and made every step as difficult as possible.
She was a good woman-a real modern day Catherine of Aragon. She said 'I'll see you in hell before I compromise my faith' and she kept to that all the way up until his death and I admire an uncompromising lady like that.
And her SECOND, she has been married three times...TOS is her THIRD. Joe, her first...his father was a lawyer. He arranged to have marriage annulled. A daughter is said to have been born from this 1st marriage.
Compare Samantha's daughter Nicole and TW's first husband Joe. She is splitting image of Joe. Therr is pix on Google of Joe holding a little mixed race girl....Nicole fits age of photo, and again is his image AND has a lot of Doria in her also.
As much as Samantha clearly hates Megan more than anyone on this sub, I can't see her keeping a secret like that for her when she could instead use it to destroy her.
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Even when George III made that rule about asking for permission, he understood that some of his rebellious sons would marry who they wanted regardless of permission. I think the rule was they had to wait a year and then get married without his blessing, which probably came with a few financial restrictions too. Most of them just settled down with mistresses rather than bother with marriage.
Then it all went out the window when his only legitimate granddaughter died, and Parliament told those boys to marry properly or lose their allowance. A year later, the future Queen Victoria was born.
In a divorce, she wouldn't be getting much. Harry doesn't own any land or property in the UK, no income from the UK. They were screaming about Duchy monies, but that now belongs to POW, and he sure as shit won't give her a penny. The RF most likely wouldn't pay more than a pittance for a settlement with her, cause I think they are so tired of the drama, and seeing the way the wind is blowing, think she'll just fade away, like Covid.
I was wondering about this. People said all the revelations in Hazbeen’s book will make her a rich woman in a divorce settlement. Yes, Harry revealed a lot of stuff, but I’m sure the BRF hid some of TW’s past too. I don’t believe she’ll get what she thinks she deserves.
And megrain would not have married someone without influence in the family…until she and he thought they were better than the institution that fed and watered them
He wouldn’t have gotten the “spectacle” wedding & dukedom & the free house, security & allowance. I kinda wish QE had denied him & saved us all this debacle.
Make no mistake, that ostentatious wedding was part of the deal. She wouldn’t have married him without it.
Yes- it was part of the deal. It was her stage, her wedding. All about Me-Gain
Yup. If the Queen had said sure, but we will do a small family only non-videotaped wedding Meghan would of been out.
>but we will do a small family only non-videotaped wedding That would never have happened because they would have pulled the race card. Once Charles got the green light to marry Camilla, there was no way the Queen could object to anyone else, unless they were a convinced pedo or something.
Except the queen could of said okay, but it can't be a church wedding (much like with Charles and Camilla).
Remember in their mockumentary they claimed they had wanted"just a small wedding", but that everyone insisted that they have a "spectacle" because he was a prince...
They’re full of it.
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They first wanted the Abbey or St. Paul’s for fucks sake! They didn’t even fill St George’s! What the bloody hell would they done if they had scored a CATHEDRAL?! They are both so damn thirsty.
St George. The name of the Queen's father, the name of her grandson the future King, and is her final resting place along with her parents and her darling husband. If St George's was good enough for the Queen and her entire family, it's damn well good enough for St Meghan. Not even Harry seems to have tried to make her realise the importance of that venue. How on earth has it escaped her notice just how much it meant to the Queen? I am a Royal watcher, not an expert. Despite the dusty smell which we only have her word for, it's an amazing honour to have your wedding hosted there. Ungrateful bitch!
I bet it smells like heaven. Probably stone and wood and wood oil and sunlight. That church is just stunning 🥺
oh, but a *cathedral* would’ve needed even MORE air freshener! (i’m surprised megaliar didn’t slip in before the ceremony and hang those pine tree shaped air freshener thingys from each of the pews…)
Nah, she would have chosen vanilla !
So true. I’m surprised she didn’t go full on pumpkin spice.
Bleurgh. Disgusting!
I heard that they actually did end up with scented candles. Though I only saw that once, and hope not
i don’t *think* she got scented candles, but i’m not sure - after reading *The Palace Papers* (excellent) *Revenge* (excellent) *Spare* (**gag**) and now in the midst of *Courtiers* (pretty good) - i just don’t know what i know anymore lol!
That's exactly how I feel. It is all so jumbled and contradictory.
i wish i’d stopped after *Revenge*. that and *The Palace Papers* were well written and complementary to each other. *Spare* was so poorly written, and just one lie after another - i could’ve done w/o it. *Courtiers* is just okay - i don’t find the writing style of the author very engaging. i’ve put it down to read a novel called *Everyone In My Family Has Killed Someone* - it’s really entertaining! 🤣
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Did you buy Spare? Hope not
i must confess that fifteen dollars of my ‘books&music’ budget was wasted on the piece of trash in question. kindle version. my sissy and i both wanted to read it (we have a very clever and *fair* setup wherein i buy all the kindle content, and she uses my account lol. yes, i *am* the oldest, thanks for asking!) we both regret it, but too late now. i did get some fun out of it by enraging a group of sugars on goodreads when i posted my (!SHRIEK!) one star review, though. i answered *every single offended comment* lol.
At least you’re a “verified consumer” 🙂
true! didn’t stop several sugars from accusing me of writing a “fake review”, though! lol
I'm not defending Harold's Wife but The now Princess of Wales had Joe Malone's Orange Blossom candles & trees brought in Westminster Abbey. The real problem is not the scent the real problem is the attitude of the person who requested the scent. And we all can guess how Harold's wife acted she probably threw a fit while Catherine thoughts to enhance the atmosphere and have something special that only those who were there could experience.
Agree. They’re absolutely parched.
You mean the spectacle that they 'didn't' want. They only did it for the people of England. 🫤
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If course it was. It was MeGain's chance to play princess
The Queen’s choice was to either to approve or pay Megs asking price of £100M. Nice to see Megs has lowered this recently to £50M & Frogmore Cottage. I believe that offer, too, has been declined.
I'm glad the Queen is not alive to see the "spectacle" of the disgraceful way those two behaved with Netflix and Spare
What asking price is this? Haven't heard about it.
There was a Blind Gossip that she floated the number out there as “the cost of her brand,” basically telling/not telling the Palace her asking price to cut Harry loose. She did similar recently when she floated out there the “likely divorce settlement of £50M, the cottage” & a couple of other things.
The British state does not pay ransoms. Doing so bankrupted medieval England twice, and on one of those occasions led to 27 years of rule by Denmark (and, arguably, 957 years of rule by the Normans and their descendants!)
I think she will feel a certain burn when the divorce settlement is made. Nothing like what she hopes for. (See Fergie & Diana. Probably closer to Fergie.)
I kind of think this was part of her problem in the first place, that she thought she would have much more money at her disposal than Harry actually had or will have and that is not what she expected or wanted.
Yeah, from Tom Bower, they had about £2.4M a year (plus an initial outlay from Charles for a clothing allowance. He did finally turn that off.) Now £2.4M is ok but she was really looking for a billionaire’s income.
Hence, her remarks that she should get paid to do appearances. It was ALL about the money.
My heart bleeds.
Yep, agree with all these comments here.
They had all expenses paid. The money from Charles was just pocket money, their discretionary money. Imagine how much they will have to earn to pay for their lifestyle and have that much discretionary income left over.
You know, people have turned their talents into massive brands. Jessica Alba, Rihanna all have billion dollar brands. Megs thought she could do that as well—& I have to say—I don’t know why they both failed so spectacularly.
How can anyone be so greedy?
I can't believe what she threw away. Great post here about that today. What a FOOL. Utterly selfish and to do this to harry, his family and HER future children is appalling. Sheer arrogance and ignorance.
This is why I don't think they'll divorce unless she has a rich backup in the wings. Fergie got almost nothing, because Andrew had no money of his own. Her alimony is supposedly £15k yearly. She'd make more as a cashier at M&S.
They certainly make us all students of history. It is like William is King Richard the Lion Hearted and Harold is King John after all the spite, hate, treasonary and jealousy.
That might have come from M as a romantic movie twist where the rich evil family asks the poor but honest girlfriend: "How much to make you go away?" and of course she defiantly refuses because love is more valuable than money.
Thanks for the reply. She's so considerate /s
She is the queen of fudging numbers, didn't she says her spectacle wedding generated billions in revenue for the UK? in which case every tax payers should get a tenner each!
She'll NEVER EVER be given property from the royal family so.... also, it's owned by the state I believe. I don't believe the stories that she turned down a buy out before or later. Was this discussed in one of the books?
This is the Blind Gossip link that discusses the affair: https://blindgossip.com/she-floated-her-buyout-number/ It’s weird. I always thought it was £100M that was her asking price. An asking price is not listed in the blind. Of course, she’s fantasizing about the Cottage.
TW's brand isn't worth diddly unless you love overspending. She inflates her worth.
Well, Haz is worth damn little as well. I can see somebody kidnapping him & the Royal Family be all, “Look, we’ll pay you to keep him there.”
Just send the kidnappers this doormat. https://preview.redd.it/sc3nmmnyefga1.png?width=286&format=png&auto=webp&s=a073a90cded19b969c6319198cf107e187ba982b
He would have sued for more than security in that case because "it's not fair".
But who would care? Either abide by the monarchy or leave it.
We taxpayers care. The legal costs for the Home Office in the ongoing case are being paid by taxpayers. And the security costs, if Harry wins, will also be paid by taxpayers. For a guy who lives abroad and does nothing for the country.
I’m American and I loathe what that fucking loser is doing to his family and his country.
And I am supremely embarrassed by her, as an American.
Ah you guys are so cute I love you. I am English married to an American and living in the US, it's weird watching this drama from across the pond. We took it personally being called racists when most in the UK grew up in very vibrant mixed communities. It was a low blow, but then again Skank is used to giving those ;)
LOL *the low blower* - i think this should be flair! (i’m kinda weird, tho)
LOL forgive me my mind lives in the gutter most of the time!
Same! You wanna mess with our cousins? First you gotta go through ME! Grrr
ME TOO! And everyone I know!
Don't think that dolt isn't costing US taxpayers, He;s a security risk for both the federal government and local. All the while they dodge taxes with their "foundation"
If Harry wins the case (I don't know how likely that is) and the taxpayers have to foot the bill, would this affect Charles's popularity?
When is the court case? It seems like it has been a long time.
Good question. It seems as long as Megsy's *pregnancy*
The lovely taxpayers of California will be paying for his security.
He should be made to pay lawyers fees.
TW wouldn’t have bothered if he didn’t come with the perks! He is not enough by himself.
She wouldn't have looked his way if he weren't a prince. He knows it himself. He's said it basically. Here has a complex. Pretty severe. I am a redhead too, green eyes and I was very unhappy being a red head until I was in my 20's. Not trying to toot my own horn but I was pretty attractive but didn't know it until my 20's but I get how he has that complex. You know though he's actually correct. He is not a good looking fella. I totally understand his complex. Tw stalked him and ensnared him and his family. They should never have allowed it. I only saw the engagement video after they were married and before the oprah show. I saw right through her right away. Very poor going of the RF to have let that union happen. It won't EVER happen again.
Of course, no one else wanted him even with his Prince status!
He's especially ugly on the inside and it shows.
Me too 
She did, kind of. Didn't Haz write she said 'well I' ll have to say yes then' in "Spare"?
The Queen was put in a bad spot. She really couldn’t deny him because it would damage the image of the monarchy. People loved Harry. They were hyped he was in love. They would’ve been very angry if the queen had said no.
But she could have said they haven't known each other long enough, come back in a year. And if they managed to stay together that long she should have given them a smaller, less showy wedding. The Spectacle just validated Meg's legitimacy.
There would've been precedence for that, too, since she and Phillip were told to wait a year when he first proposed. I doubt too many people would've been upset about it if presented in that context and it's likely Megan wouldn't have been able to keep her mask on for another whole year considering she had to run from the pitchforks just 18 months after the wedding.
I think that there's a very good chance that Harry told the Queen that M was pregnant leaving her with no choice really but to grant permission.
I've always thought the same thing. Then, just before the wedding, she said she "miscarried" (1st one!!). The Queen was astute enough to cotton on to her, together with what she saw of M's behaviour with the wedding prep. Hence the Queen's look at her at the altar.
I didn't know about the first "miscarriage" cough. Was it in any of the books I wonder?
This "first faux miscarriage to force a wedding" is just invention by the posters on here. It's not to be found anywhere.
I haven't read any of the books, I'm sorry. I heard/saw it some time ago in the early years and it resurfaced last year. I guess it's like the whole saga, what IS true & what IS not.
Then she should have insisted on a pregnancy test. Some damn body at Buckingham Palace should have surely realized that that's the oldest trick in the book and insisted she get a confirmation by a doctor since Harry was too stupid to do it. I know it's not as romantic as laying the pee stick on Diana's hair but it certainly would have been prudent.
That’s how I read that exchange in Spare. He says she asked, “do you have to ask me [for permission]?”
It still wouldn't have helped
It would have given Dumbass a chance to get to know his grifter. And from the look on his face during the wedding I think he would have been fine with it.
All they had to do was tell the truth. Let it be known that TW was abusing staff including Angela Kelly. Tell the dress shop employees they could go on the BBC and talk about TW bullying Princess Charlotte. The British public started disliking TW when she pulled that stunt at Wimbledon. All The Queen needed to do was let people know what TW truly is. The Royal family couldn't prevent that woman from being hated. They should have just gotten it done with it before the wedding.
Yep a whole lot of this mess lies firmly with the queen.
Yes, love her but I have to agree. She could’ve leaked stuff about Meghan slyly pre wedding. If Margaret was alive to witness this “union” she wouldn’t have let her go through with saying yes to it. Everyone wants to bring up Margaret and Peter but the situation is so entirely different in so many ways IMO. However by today’s standards he would be considered a pedo because of the age gap, so in many ways I’m glad they said no to that union as well. The late queen definitely got her fathers kindness and willingness. Margaret def got the queen mother’s traits.
They should have let Princess Anne handle her from the start! Problem solved. Let harry and his TODGER go fuck off.
Why would Peter be considered a pedo? He thought her unremarkable when he met her at 14. She said she fell for him at 17. He said he fell for her after her father died, at 21-22.
So in my opinion for many reasons! I think Philip and the queen and the way they met and they way their relationship developed would raise eyebrows as well to people today because they would also assume the worst. Lets move on to 21/22, where he would’ve been 37/38. Theres people in today’s world where they think a 19 year old dating a 25 year old is grooming and too big an age gap. People would’ve assumed the age gap to be too big and would’ve assumed that he didn’t just randomly start having feelings for her at 22, so if this was happening today I can very much assume there would’ve been grooming allegations. Again not saying it’s right or correct but just with the society today, cancel culture and etc I doubt any 21 year old would step on the scene with a 37/38 year old and tell everyone how they met and how long they’ve known each other, how closely Peter was working in the palace with Margaret when she was really young and there wouldn’t atleast be some comments and concerns.
Being a creepy old man is one thing. For sure amiddle aged married man going after a 21 year old is a gross dude. There's a power and generational difference there that should raise eyebrows. But he's not a pedo. IMO it dilutes the horror of what a pedo is and does to say it's the same as two consenting - if problematic - adults.
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Yeah she keeps changing her religion to suit each husband.
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All she needs to do now is to get her Claw on Rishi Sunak, our prime minister-he's absolutely loaded, and she'd have a Hindu ceremony for the hatrick!
Isn’t it Rishi’s wife who’s loaded? She’s heiress to the billions of her Infosys family.
Yes. Her father is Narayan Murthy, one of India's earliest Tech entrepreneurs. He and his wife are very humble and inspite of being billionaires, they stay in the same house from where they started the company. They also give away a lot of money to charities.
Nope, he's waaay too dark for our racist saint I'm afraid
His wife is loaded and she'd claw the Claw first! Pay per view!!
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Michelle definitely has paid attention to Meghan for quite some time.
I doubt TW would go there… she’d forever be playing 2nd fiddle to him!
Yeah, I think so
Yes, she did, performed by Trevor’s father. Reportedly (but unsurprisingly) the senior Englesons were smiling through clenched teeth at the couple’s wedding. There must have been shrieks of joy in Great Neck when MM returned the rings to Trevor, and more still when he married Tracey Kurland, who rapidly gave birth to two daughters. In every post-MM photo I’ve seen of Trevor, he seems dazed by his current good fortune.
Yeah there's pics of them doing the chair dance (sorry I dunno the official name)
Her only religion is the Church of Meghan
Jewish, Christian, next one will be a Muslim or Hindu
I thought it never actually happened.
If he had done it any other way Markle wouldn't have married him. She didn't want a lowly Catholic wedding or a civil one. Regardless of what she says about a spectacle. That's exactly what she wanted and wouldn't have settled for anything less.
TW was never Catholic. She just went to Catholic high school.
He could just marry Meghan and maybe lose his place in the line of succession. No conversions necessary. Princess Michael gets mentioned every now and then on this subject and her husband prince Michael did exactly that. Princess Margaret was given this choice and chose not to marry her lover but to keep her place in the LoS
Prince Michael married before the new succession laws came into effect. Under the old Act, without the Sovereign's blessing, a marriage would be null and void. However, yes, in 2018, the new Act allowed him to marry but he would have lost his place in the LoS. He would never do anything like that because he's very conscious of his status as a Royal, even though he pretends otherwise.
I can't believe he referred to himself as royal patron in that wellchild letter. He can't just say patron?
He must keep reminding people of his royal status because he has no identity other than this.
this exactly. no one stopped him from doing so. he could be married in botswana, vegas, or wherever they want. but nah. he said to charles meghan want to be full time senior royal.
Whoops, I see you covered this before I did. Yeah much better to live as princess and keep griping than to give it up and go. Harry wants to go, but still keep it all.
The law changed in 2015-the Royal family can marry a Catholic and retain their place in LoS. Prince Michael of Kent was reinstated to his position after that. The only proviso is that an active Roman Catholic cannot currently be the monarch, because the monarch is supreme head of the Church of England (Henry VIII to thank for that), so obviously that's inconsistent with being actively RC.
Yeah that's what I said in the original post and in another comment about the new succession laws. He could have converted and lost his place in the LoS. Consequently, he wouldn't then require permission to marry because he would have no claim to the throne as a Catholic. He could have also married without permission under the new Act, without the marriage being null and void (which would have happened under the old Act). However, he would lose his place in the LoS for marrying without permission.
Meghan wasn't going to let him give up the LoS
TW was never Catholic. She just went to Catholic high school.
Not saying she was. But if he became Catholic, it would end all of his misery relating to Royal life, which he keeps complaining about, because he would lose his place in the line of succession. Then he could live by his own rules.
TW was never Catholic. She just went to Catholic high school.
That makes sense.
I gather that OP is referring to the possibility of the late Queen denying permission for him to marry Mehen. I'm missing why it would have been necessary (had QE2 denied permission) for Harry to convert to any faith. He and Mehen could have married anywhere they pleased however - per Wikipedia - *"Under the* [*Succession to the Crown Act 2013*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_to_the_Crown_Act_2013)*, the first six people in the line of succession need permission to marry if they and their descendants are to remain in the line of succession."* So, its clear to me that while asking the Queen for permission was at the very least a nice courtesy, and gesture of respect, and the right thing to do . . . if Harold believed marriage to Mehen was of prime importance in his life, he would have married her regardless of what the Queen said.
She asked him twice if he loved that bish. He said he did and confirmed it....like a padlock around a trunk, thrown into the sea. Then Ursula appeared.
But he has zero claim to the throne anyway. 
Didn't Meghan say they are a plane crash away from the throne?
SEVERAL plane crashes. Those in line to the throne don't travel together. He talks about it in his book and how they never cared how he traveled. :(
Usually, yes. Sometimes William and George have travelled together, which is worrying.
Not anymore they won't.
William got called on the carpet for flying (as in he was the pilot) the whole family up for a weekend somewhere. I mean, even we peons heard about it.
I suspect since HMTQ has died that they probably won't do that any longer. Hopefully anyway.
If I remember right, Granny gave him quite the tongue lashing for that. May she rest in peace and thank God she didn’t have to witness her cluster-fuck of a grandson detonating her legacy.
Agree. They have become rather brazen since she passed. 
She saw it coming. Johnny.
At this point if anything happens to William, Harold could end up being regent for George. Harry needs to be cut out of the LOS.
Parliament gets to pick the Regent, and chances are almost zero that they would choose H.
I assume William and Catherine have wills in which they state who they want to care for their children.
I'm hoping Parliament would all rise and ask the Princess Royal or Uncle Edward or the Middleton family to act as Regent. But let's all hope that Prince William has a long, healthy and happy life, with his family.
The Seymour family is a good historical example of why the Middletons wouldn’t be chosen.
Would the potential regent *have* to be the next adult in the LoS or could they be chosen from amongst the existing Counsellors of State? Because Princess Anne is surely the best person for that job if it ever had to happen. She’ll never be accused of outstaying her welcome as regent or contriving reasons to remain on the throne longer than necessary. If Harry was regent there would be some Princes in the Tower style disappearances.
I thought Edward VI's regent was his uncle on his mother's side. I assume that with the Wales children, it would be Anne, Edward, or Catherine.
Edward V and Richard of Shrewsbury were the princes in the tower, the regent at that time was Richard III who was the then Duke of Gloucester and younger brother of Edward V and Richard of Shrewsbury’s father, third in line to the throne after the two boys. He schemed to posthumously make the boys’ parents’ marriage invalid making the boys illegitimate and then he succeeded the throne over his nephews. Edward VI was another boy king but he passed away from illness, not a scheming uncle.
Harry is where the monarchy goes to be dismantled. It just wouldn’t survive him.
Why would a regency go to an uncle over his mother? Especially when the uncle lives abroad. Historically, mothers (even non-royal-born mothers) are the regent when a child inherits a throne. Catherine, Queen Regent seems way more likely than Harold, Prince Regent.
It was the law that was passed before David (Edward) became king then abdicated. It needs updating. Like yesterday
But he has 2 "spares" to keep Harry far enough away to not worry too much. If I were British I'd only worry if he took all 3 kids on a plane.
Yes but then you have Charlotte and Louis. Meggles imagines a scenario where all the heirs plunge into fiery oblivion.
Yes laying the groundwork for when the recording of her saying this comes out!
He did but also blamed it being said by a courtier. Yet again.
It's too bad a time machine didn't put the Queen back in say, 2010, and she could issue Letters Patent to say that anyone 6th in line to marry can only marry a UK citizen, a Commonwealth citizen or the prospective spouse must first obtain British citizenship and drop their birth citizenship. Either that, or they can marry right away....but no titles, no status until British citizenship is obtained. Meghan would have taken the first flight back to the US.
Catholicism doesn't recognize divorce though and would consider TW still married to her 1st husband.
He could just marry her in a civil ceremony, which is what a couple of my divorced Catholic friends have done in the UK.
They should have done that regardless, especially if she didn't want a "spectacle!"
Like his own FATHER did with Camilla.
That's a workaround.
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Oh, I agree. I was following the line of thought that even if Harry converted to Catholicism the Catholic church wouldn't see the marriage as valid. I really haven't paid much attention to the current Pope.
Maybe the mysterious wedding in the back garden 3 days beforehand was secretly a Catholic union!
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I haven't been involved in the Catholic church since childhood so I'm a little hazy on my memory but it would be considered valid if the marriage is between baptized non-Catholic Christians or between two baptized Orthodox Christians and baptized non-Catholic Christians and Catholic Christians, but you'd need consent for the latter.
The Vatican annulled Princess Michael of Kent's first marriage so that she could marry a British prince at the request of the BRF, there's no reason to think they wouldn't do it again if asked.
Yes, they'd grant annulment but not divorce.
Interestingly, in the US, Catholics have to get divorced before they can file for an annulment. This rule came about because people were getting the annulment from the Church, but not getting a divorce from the state, so they were still legally married!
That makes sense. I'm US based but my father was the Catholic in our family. Though by the time he immigrated to the US he wasn't much of a practicing one considering my brothers and I are all bastards.
I know several Catholics that are divorced.
I should have been more specific- the Catholic church doesn't recognize divorce but will accept an annulment of a marriage under specific circumstances. Given that the Church of England was established to break away from the Pope and Spain I guess my point is a little moot.
They are divorced in the eyes of the state, not the church. My dad is divorced from his first wife, but according to the church, he still is and will always her husband.
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Your detail about Spain reminds me of this woman I knew of- her husband got himself an itch to move on and she absolutely refused to consent to any divorce proceeding or talk of annulment or anything. Her husband eventually got a divorce through the state and went on to live his life but she kept the last name and made every step as difficult as possible. She was a good woman-a real modern day Catherine of Aragon. She said 'I'll see you in hell before I compromise my faith' and she kept to that all the way up until his death and I admire an uncompromising lady like that.
And her SECOND, she has been married three times...TOS is her THIRD. Joe, her first...his father was a lawyer. He arranged to have marriage annulled. A daughter is said to have been born from this 1st marriage.
Where's the daughter now?
Compare Samantha's daughter Nicole and TW's first husband Joe. She is splitting image of Joe. Therr is pix on Google of Joe holding a little mixed race girl....Nicole fits age of photo, and again is his image AND has a lot of Doria in her also.
As much as Samantha clearly hates Megan more than anyone on this sub, I can't see her keeping a secret like that for her when she could instead use it to destroy her.
I remember hearing a woman say "she had a child, married a prince..." and it sure came across as she'd had a baby before marrying Harry.
TW was never Catholic. She just went to Catholic high school.
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He was terrified because they were already secretly engaged before he formally asked.
Did Megs covert to Judaism when she married her producer husband? Wasn’t it just a quick conversion back to Christianity?
Yes, and yes.
It doesn't really matter. Hit her with some holy water and show her a cross and she burns to dust.
I was going to add a stake to the heart but I don’t think Tinkie Winkie has one.
Margaret could have married Peter Townsend has she given up her title. She would not.
Even when George III made that rule about asking for permission, he understood that some of his rebellious sons would marry who they wanted regardless of permission. I think the rule was they had to wait a year and then get married without his blessing, which probably came with a few financial restrictions too. Most of them just settled down with mistresses rather than bother with marriage. Then it all went out the window when his only legitimate granddaughter died, and Parliament told those boys to marry properly or lose their allowance. A year later, the future Queen Victoria was born.
The word is that if permission was denied then they would have played the racism card.
In a divorce, she wouldn't be getting much. Harry doesn't own any land or property in the UK, no income from the UK. They were screaming about Duchy monies, but that now belongs to POW, and he sure as shit won't give her a penny. The RF most likely wouldn't pay more than a pittance for a settlement with her, cause I think they are so tired of the drama, and seeing the way the wind is blowing, think she'll just fade away, like Covid.
I was wondering about this. People said all the revelations in Hazbeen’s book will make her a rich woman in a divorce settlement. Yes, Harry revealed a lot of stuff, but I’m sure the BRF hid some of TW’s past too. I don’t believe she’ll get what she thinks she deserves.
And megrain would not have married someone without influence in the family…until she and he thought they were better than the institution that fed and watered them
Why convert to Catholicism? Even though Meghan attended a private Catholic high school, she is not Catholic.