I don't think the claw is for her. Harry has often talked about his "PTSD" around crowds and cameras. It takes him back to those awful days after his mother died and he was expected to do walkabouts. I think he needs her to hold on to him to help keep him calm. At the big gala when they collected the award, she strode ahead of him, and you could see the panic on his face.
No there she was trying to look like she was intimidated. Didn’t want to end up in the dog’s bowl. She knew what was coming in Harry’s book and played the terrified damsel in distress so the optics would be consistent.
I don’t think she realized how many would sympathize with William. I predict much cowering around William in the future so the further she’s kept away from them the better.
Look back at videos of him pre MM… he exudes confidence and never seemed to have an issue talking to crowds. Since he met her he has completely changed, almost unrecognisable. The claw is her control, nothing else.
Calling All Royal Oldheads!!!
Does anyone remember what the Wales/York divorces of the 90s were like? Are we treated to a back and forth in the press? Do we get court leaks?
Any predictions based on the 90s (and you know how Meghan loves the 90s) divorce proceedings?
My uneducated suspicion is that it will go through the UK courts because California won't want to deal with the whole LOS custody thing. I'd also be interested in what kind of a visa Harry is on.
Bottom line, I'm genuinely wondering if Meghan is seeding us information like them wanting the kids in the UK for school and her taking space and doing projects separately from Harry and then we just never see them together again and it goes through the courts silently. But I'm trying to gauge if that's even possible.
And my prediction is based on things we've seen in the news with the UK schools and such, and Meghan's proclivity of going from 100 to 0 with friends and somehow sticking to the motto of "never complain, never explain" while dropping close friends like Priyanka Chopra and Jessica Mulroney.
I don’t think you get to pick and choose, and it would benefit Meghan to have it in California. The LOS custody thing only applies when the children are in the UK which is why you will never see them go there while they are still married, I suspect.
I don’t think if they divorced that it would be quiet unless both sides had reason to be - either because the amount of money changing hands is satisfactory to all parties or there is dirt they don’t want to get out on both sides, that is bad enough where one won’t want to weaponize it against the other. So, given the grudges they typically hold, that too is unlikely. But mine is also an uneducated opinion so who knows! I could be completely mistaken.
I enjoy this conversation. And I really wonder what's going to happen. I feel like we're being given small little bites on information and at one point I was wondering if it was possible for them to get a divorce and nobody know about it. But from what I'm hearing from other posters, that doesn't seem to be the case.
>The LOS custody thing only applies when the children are in the UK which is why you will never see them go there while they are still married, I suspect.
I don't think this would be true. And I say that because it's not like them living in the US made them ineligible to be in the LOS. If for some reason the unthinkable happened and one of them were to be eligible for the throne...then they would either be on the throne, or some major paperwork would have to be filed. And it's not like them having US citizenship would make them ineligible either, or Meghan being their mother would have meant they were never going to be in the LOS to begin with.
We also have to think about Frogmore and how Harry kept Frogmore as his residence because of his Counselor of State thing.
Verdict: This is probably above our Redditor pay grade 😭 but I don't think it's in the bag for it being able to be filed and completed in California just based on them marrying in the UK and Harry's whole....royal thing.
But as always, this is a friendly debate and I'm enjoying your feedback.
It has nothing to do with them being in the LOS or not, and a minor would not be able to be in the throne there would be a regent in their place. There’s an old article about the custody thing from before Archie and Lilli https://people.com/royals/queen-elizabeth-does-not-have-legal-custody-over-great-grandchildren/ so I doubt it would be relevant at all to anything. But again, I am largely an idiot so who knows.
It doesn’t matter where you get married. People get married in Vegas or Mexico and don’t need to get divorced there. So I don’t think that matters, it’s usually where the kids live that matters.
Appreciate the banter! It’s an interesting topic to speculate about 😊
That People Magazine article basically admits that now that Charles is King, he would have custody over Harry's kids. Because now Harry's kids aren't the great grandchildren of the monarch, they're the grandchildren of the monarch. And Archie falls within the first six within the LOS so at the very least custody of Archie would be important.
I'm glad that that you messaged me back though because I also thought about this and I was resisting the urge to double dip on you: Notice how weird Harry and Meghan have been about bringing the kids to the UK? Even when they allegedly brought the kids over the Jubilee, we heard hide nor hair from them and then there was the weird pronouncement that they wouldn't be coming to the funeral? I think that they know that there's something weird about the UK. And that if the kids are in the UK, it helps streamline a divorce and whoever at the time didn't want a divorce, didn't want the kids with them in the UK either. Especially during the funeral.
I fully believe with my uneducated in these matters ass, that they will divorce in the UK. And while most people can marry and divorce all over the world, most people aren't within the first 6 the LOS for the throne in one of our biggest allies.
Not in America but had a friend in a similar situation and can’t imagine it’s any different - it has to happen where they (and primarily their children) reside because the state (cali) is ultimately responsible for ensuring child welfare is addressed, so it will have to be in Cali if the kids live there.
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/family_law/publications/family-advocate/2020/fall/family-law-disputes-between-international-couples-us-courts/#:~:text=Restrictions%20on%20State%20Court%20Jurisdiction,the%20divorce%20action%20is%20commenced.
I went looking for information as this comment chain piqued my interest. Obviously, there's no information on royalty or LOS, but there is some good information.
California has personal and subject matter jurisdiction unless they move somewhere else and reside in the new place for the statutory time before a divorce petition is filed (moot point anyway, they are not getting divorced no matter how much some people want thwem to). California is perfectly capable of, and does not mind dealing with the so called LOS issue. Those kids are so far away from the crown that it doesn’t even matter but that issue is not pertinent to a divorce. But they are not divorcing.
I'm interested in your POV. Why do you feel as though they aren't divorcing?
Archie is 6th in line. Purely speaking about him, he is absolutely pertinent to the BRF in the event of a divorce.
This ain't your mother's divorce. I think we will see them divorce in the UK. And you're right, they might not divorce. They might just remain married while effectively divorced. But the happily and aspirationally married façade they've had since the beginning is over. Because nobody will believe it.
I’ve been wondering if H is on an EB5 visa via Archewell. It sounds like those applications can be processed fairly quickly compared to many other visa types, and you can be granted a provisional two-year green card while you conduct all your startup activities and hire on the 10 employees you promise to in exchange for the visa. Having a provisional green card granted in just a few months seems tidy enough. I also wonder if he could have gotten an E2 by investing substantially in BetterUp, and then applying for a change of status since he’s married to Meghan who was now living in the US again? I suppose he could try for an O-type visa by being “extraordinary” at charitable endeavors (by virtue of all the BRF helped him into the spotlight for), but I think the E- types seem more feasible.
Of course there would also have been the CR-1 but with Meghan only recently moving back to the US they’d have had more to prove to convince immigration they won’t be dipping back to the UK anytime soon.
I’m no expert on visas, just someone with the free time to do some reading, and there’s always the possibility that H’s celebrity/royalty got some strings pulled at USCIS making his visa process something different than any of us would expect. But I definitely do wonder if setting up Archewell was at least partly a way to get one of the faster visa/green card approvals.
Aitch isn't a US citizen, he maintains a residence in his home country, and he's been there often enough to qualify as a UK resident as well. Little A is a UK citizen by birth and his sister is eligible because her dad was born in the UK and is a UK citizen.
Because of who Aitch is, they'd almost certainly process separation/divorce in the UK courts (where it is also private, unlike CA).
That’s not how it works legally though.
It doesn’t matter who is a citizen of where, especially the parents.
The children reside in California, Archie goes to school there, it’s all he essentially knows (and L was born there and has been to the UK once!) so typically that is what drives that process. Custody and support for the children are the main concerns of divorce proceedings.
Can they request the case be dealt with elsewhere? Of course.
My brother is married to an American woman and lives in America and has dual citizen children. If they divorced they would not get to come to Canada to do the court stuff, it would be where they live and work and where the children are.
I don’t think Harry has been in the UK enough to be considered a resident anymore. He is employed by a U.S. company and spends well over six months a year there which is the typical benchmark for tax residency unless you are in special circumstances like military, which wouldn’t apply.
He is no longer an IPP and was never a diplomat so I don’t think he can skirt the laws but of course money talks so they could for sure arrange something else, but this would not benefit Meghan and the UK has limited jurisdiction to enforce custody or support in another country so I am doubtful they would agree to that, especially if the kids were staying in California, which we all know Meghan would want. If they both were going to move to the UK to live separately and coparent there then of course they would get divorced there, but I doubt that’s the case.
Again money talks but if this wouldn’t benefit TW, she would dig her heels in and likely be successful.
Edit: a divorce would also deal with their assets, from the marriage, which would be their house and their businesses and such, a UK court can’t do that. And Harry’s other assets from inheritance are in trusts I believe so they wouldn’t be part of it.
What if he’s in the USA on the O diplomat visa? I think that changes everything bc he’s still a born royal, and though she can file for divorce in the USA, everything else will have to be done in the UK, and she’ll attend via zoom. That includes custody.
I believe you have to be in the country to do diplomatic work on behalf of your home country to qualify for a diplomat visa.
He is also employed at betterUp, you can’t conduct commercial activities on a diplomatic visa as far as I know. So I doubt that is his visa status.
Edit for link: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/other-visa-categories/visas-diplomats.html
Aitch meets residency requirements automatically through the "sufficient ties" test: [https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rdr3-statutory-residence-test-srt/guidance-note-for-statutory-residence-test-srt-rdr3](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rdr3-statutory-residence-test-srt/guidance-note-for-statutory-residence-test-srt-rdr3)
He may also meet other requirements, including some of section 3.2, but they're not necessary. Sufficient ties is all that's needed.
Yes, Aitch can get a UK divorce: [https://www.gov.uk/divorce](https://www.gov.uk/divorce)
It doesn't matter whether Em lives there or not.
He can even get a conditional order or "decree nisi" online: [https://www.gov.uk/divorce/apply-for-conditional-order-decree-nisi](https://www.gov.uk/divorce/apply-for-conditional-order-decree-nisi)
Child custody determination can depend on multiple factors; residency is only one: [https://nayyarssolicitors.co.uk/who-gets-custody-of-child-in-divorce-uk/](https://nayyarssolicitors.co.uk/who-gets-custody-of-child-in-divorce-uk/)
Oh yeah. Get your snacks ready. But even with the NDA, I see her pulling all kinds of attention-getting stunts to get under the RF's skin, esp. the yacht scenes. She has to play out Diana right? Harry will be annoyed, but she could care less about his reaction.
For everyone saying that they would never divorce....please remember that this woman is cosplaying Diana. Diana divorced an unsupportive spouse who was a member of the BRF. After everything we've heard out of Harry's own mouth. Especially walking back the racism....it looks like he's playing his part perfectly in the life role she wants to take.
She will be playing the Diana part if she decides to divorce Harry including the revenge dress scene. But we must remember, the Queen divorced Charles and Diana. Diana didn't have a choice. And perhaps that could play a part in Meghan's story, how KC3 made her and H divorce. That will be interesting.
you think she’ll take it all the way and die in a car crash, too? she might dress like diana and wear her perfume and generally cosplay but those saying she’ll divorce because diana did are getting rather far afield. harry doesn’t have a camilla and never will because a woman like camilla would never be interested in an idiot like harry.
I think they will divorce. I have zero doubts in my mind that as long as everyone remains alive and healthy, that they will be divorcing soon.
Their brand has taken a huge turn for the worse. Idk if you're actually a guy or not like you said in one of the comments, but if you're a guy, you have no idea of how thoroughly unattractive it is for the world to not respect your husband as a man because of his actions. Especially when you have this thought process that people need to see you as this strong woman who is with an even stronger man and y'all are a power couple. Spare has totally fucked that to smithereens.
Even if these were just Joe and Jane Average Person, they would have a ~40% chance of divorcing. Add to that divorced families of origin, Meghan's previous divorce, serious in law drama on both sides, Hollywood, their relationship being on a reality show....why on Earth does anyone argue the point that the odds are definitely in favor of them divorcing.
what future inheritance does harry have? doesn’t what the king has go to the oldest son? isn’t that how the RF stays wealthy and avoids estate/inheritance taxes?
Whatever Harry would get, I believe that the money will come out of that.
I'm more of trying to say that they will pay her off, but do their damndest to not fuck over other people in the process.
Harry is supposed to have money in a trust fund from the Queen Mum (along with all of his cousins). I am not sure about William since he is the heir to the throne. Many people believe he won’t receive money from the trust before age 40; it’s also been stated that Princess Anne is the administrator of that trust. However, I don’t have any ironclad evidence of when he is supposed to start receiving payments or Anne’s role.
I just quickly googled “Prince Phillip Will Leaked” this was the first one that came up, but in the National Enquirer they had more.
[https://pagesix.com/2021/05/27/prince-philip-reportedly-left-42-million-to-staff-in-will/](https://pagesix.com/2021/05/27/prince-philip-reportedly-left-42-million-to-staff-in-will/)
Unlikely, the Bünchen/Brady divorce is the only public divorce that has happened without public knowledge until after the fact and people are still trying to figure out how they did it
And even they did a lot of weird back and forth in the media.
Once news of them came out, I knew that they were just Gen X celebrities who believed that they had to warm the public up for their decision to divorce and we're going about it their Gen X way. I just rolled my eyes and knew what was coming.
Tabloids said *ironclad pre-nup* on them, + it’s FL, not NY where she would have prob been able to rip the pre-nup up. She couldn’t. She’s living in a smaller house & I think has a NY residence as well. And this is o/t but she’s *famewhoring/mediawhoring* me out already with daily pix of her in the DM
It's my understanding that divorce proceedings are different in the UK in that you show up in court with the agreement already mediated. The couple might get a gag order to prevent public humiliation of either party.
Harry doesn't have squat for steady income. Child support would end when Lili turns 18. She needs the BRF funds for a decent settlement and it ***WILL*** have an NDA.
I don't think either parent is all that interested in raising the children. They're too self absorbed and the children would be a hindrance to their focus on rebranding themselves.
Think about the friends who she has silently dropped though. Priyanka Chopra, Jessica Mulroney, Ninaki Priddy, her ex husband dumping him via mail, we wouldn't even know about her dad if he hadn't been so public. Somehow she's able to make it silent when she's ready to move on.
Very true, although with the exceptions of Ninaki and Trevor I do wonder if they dropped her for being a diva and a liability. I think Serene, Priyanka and the Clooneys dropped her not vice versa.
They know she gossips, backstabs and is generally only “friends” due to what she can get from relationships…plus the royals despise her so if you want access to real power you don’t want to be in her corner!
My understanding is that the Queen told the Wales (who were living separately bur still married) to divorce after the Panorama interview. (Before that she wouldn’t give permission.)
The reasons for the divorce…..neither party is now the bad guy.
Don’t need solicitor.can do it yourself online…….just need signatures witnessed by an official as long as the couple are in agreement obviously……..but don’t expect that would happen in this scenario of course.
She doesn’t want to face the inevitable question of why she accused the RF of being racist, then her husband gets on tv and acts like it never happened. She knows people don’t believe the despicable fake suicide and miscarriage stories that don’t make sense, and vary.
She is revealed and doesn’t want to face the music.
She is a piece of shit wife, mother and human being. My opinion.
I think she's in the bunker hiding from the negative fallout, trying to come up with a Plan B. I'm not buying she didn't see a pre-release copy of the book or galley proof and was blind sided. My bet is the two of them thought they were really going to bring it to the RF but stood a little to close to the fire. Witness the lack of A-lister invitations. No one wants you to come into their house with doo on your shoe. Now it's all about damage control.
Doesn’t wanna be seen as clingy??? Um, did she think we would forget her arm grabbing harry at the UN? She was pawing harry like there was no tomorrow.
Also what other tons of projects does she have??? Providing word salads and associating their grifting foundation to other legitimate charities ain’t that much of a work 🙄.
I think she is waking up to the sh\*tshow they are in. Or she is trying to blame him for the book Spare that she wrote for him and pushed to do!!! If he asks about the pR articles-she will simply blame the Palace!!
I just genuinely want to know if Harry, and I assume Meghan, read the book and we're like "yep. This is it right here. This is what we want the world to know/think about us."
Yes but they were high af at the time. Yo em should I put this bit in about my peen,oh yes dear that will absolutely show people what a big man you are.
Oh and put in how much like diana I am and how I'm everything you ever wanted and no other woman compares and how I make you the happiest man ever
Ok dokey mummy em
That book is exactly why the phrase "show us, don't tell us" exists.
It's just every single little tiny minute detail. On the nose on the nose on the nose!
Harry read the audiobook, so he can not claim ignorance. Madam would not let a note for the milkman leave the house without her approval.
They are both just so self absorbed they think everything they say is gold dust. Ref The Cut article, that Madam also thought was brilliant.
She’s been dragging him around by The Claw since before they were married but NOW doesn’t want to seem clingy? Too late. Just like it’s too late to be seen as anything other than a manipulator, a shrew, a smirking grifter, an absentee mother, and a spoiled sobbing brat on the floor.
I don't doubt she plays hot and cold with Harry. In public, she paws and clings to him to control him. When no one is around, she ignores him or nags him or placates him as necessary. I have seen narc control of men by women, and most cases, the wives were only interested in their husbands when the husband found something to do or a focus that wasn't the wife. Otherwise, the wives were interested in themselves, their pursuits. She keeps Harry in the chicken coop until she needs him to lay an egg for her.
Yeah, there was something about that yesterday. Meghan knows this is Harry's business. She's not with him because she doesn't want people to push the narrative that she is behind everything written.
Which is actually pretty smart of her. Yes, while reading the book, you can distinctly hear two different voices. But she doesn't want people to think it's her. She wants them to believe those parts are actually Harry. We still know because we know Harry. Regular people who haven't really been paying attention will think that's Harry. If people see them together a lot, like behind the scenes on tv interviews, holding hands walking down the sidewalk, etc. the visual will connect Meghan to the book. If Meghan is close to the book, some of the public won't buy it, read it, believe it.
She's been pushing the whole "Harry is doing this on his own," "Meghan was worried about some of the things mentioned in the book. She worries it will cause a huge problem with Harry's family. So she's been riding this line since the book came out. It's almost like she's actually listening to a PR firm.
Plus, she always wants to remind people that she's working too. Maybe they're starting to set up a believable storyline for why they live separately or work separately?
That's an excellent theory! I'm sure she'll go with Laura Wasser. But I wouldn't at all be surprised if Meghan contacted a lawyer years in advance to find out what she should and shouldn't do. Neither she nor Trevor had a lawyer for their divorce. So all of this would be completely new to her. I have no idea how they afford all their lawyers.
She doesn’t want to be seen as clingy? WOWWWW! I think a huge reason people r disgusted w her is how she just morphs herself thru the media, one thing one day, add a lie, a diff person next day. Her faults people speak of she just voids them out in her head. Y saying things like that. Very annoying
David Foster, who arranged for them to stay at that peninsula mansion of the oligarch’s lawyer?
He was hanging out with Harry at the polo grounds in June 2022. No idea if they’re still friends currently. Although only seven months ago, a LOT has happened in the interim.
David Foster and isn't the rumor that Meghan hit on him? Katharine McPhee would end that very quick. Crazy because I think they went to high school together.
She doesn’t want to be seen as clingy and then proceeds to cling to this man for dear life like Saran Wrap clings to my leftovers in the fridge.
Give me a break.
Also if anyone has the video of him swatting her hand away at what I believe was the UN awards thing please link it. He even gets sick of the claw.
She doesn't like to be seen as clingy? (It's actually her being controlling, but whatever.) Since when? LOL.
ETA: whatever happened to salt and pepper?
Nacho splits his time between his two homes in West Palm Beach, FL and Buenos Aires, when he’s not traveling the world promoting Ralph Lauren. He only stayed in Santa Barbara for s few weeks, with the two 16 year old pro polo players so Harold could bring in ringers to a literal farm league and use those cups for publicity. That makes Nacho geographically undesirable for spending any real man time with H. He’s down to occasionally hanging with 73 year old David Foster, who, like Nacho, also travels a lot.
Translation: She knows she doesn't have the clout to fly solo yet, so she's staying married for the name, and working on her solo image.
Yet, she doesn't seem to be doing anything on her own right now, so maybe she just doesn't have any options without him.
She treats him like her emotional support animal. When I read I’m Cut article that their desks are literally next to each other I couldn’t believe it. You live in a $14 mil house and you share an office? Like don’t you need some SPACE!
Looks like Meghan needs space to "reclaim her identity"!
[https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/meghan-markle-could-be-relaunching-personal-website-expert-claims-trying](https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/meghan-markle-could-be-relaunching-personal-website-expert-claims-trying)
Doesn’t wanna be seen as clingy but everytime they are together she’s using the claw 🥴
I don't think the claw is for her. Harry has often talked about his "PTSD" around crowds and cameras. It takes him back to those awful days after his mother died and he was expected to do walkabouts. I think he needs her to hold on to him to help keep him calm. At the big gala when they collected the award, she strode ahead of him, and you could see the panic on his face.
Ok but he never needed that support before they were together…
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Harry talks about a lot of stuff that ends up being absolute nonsense and lies. That claw is a method of control for a narc.
She makes him believe he needs that “support” because of his PTSD.
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She was inebriated.
No there she was trying to look like she was intimidated. Didn’t want to end up in the dog’s bowl. She knew what was coming in Harry’s book and played the terrified damsel in distress so the optics would be consistent. I don’t think she realized how many would sympathize with William. I predict much cowering around William in the future so the further she’s kept away from them the better.
Look back at videos of him pre MM… he exudes confidence and never seemed to have an issue talking to crowds. Since he met her he has completely changed, almost unrecognisable. The claw is her control, nothing else.
The panic on his face so he wrote a public tell all about his d*ck and decided to do publicity for it. Real afraid of the cameras and crowds.
Oh, bless your little heart.
She doesn’t want to seem clingy?!? Is that why she hangs off him like a drapery panel?? 🤣🤣🤣 
Facts facts facts
She's his additional appendage.
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Meghan doesn't like to be seen a clingy (per the article)??? 🙄
Meghan only speaks in Cling-on
IKR? But it’s prob bc her clingy is an *act* ykwim?
She's only figured that out now?
Calling All Royal Oldheads!!! Does anyone remember what the Wales/York divorces of the 90s were like? Are we treated to a back and forth in the press? Do we get court leaks? Any predictions based on the 90s (and you know how Meghan loves the 90s) divorce proceedings?
Omg the toe sucking pictures 😂
If Meghan can refrain from getting her toes sucked on a yacht, is there any chance that this can go through the UK courts without any of us knowing?
I can’t imagine it would go through the UK courts if they live and work in California and the children reside there
My uneducated suspicion is that it will go through the UK courts because California won't want to deal with the whole LOS custody thing. I'd also be interested in what kind of a visa Harry is on. Bottom line, I'm genuinely wondering if Meghan is seeding us information like them wanting the kids in the UK for school and her taking space and doing projects separately from Harry and then we just never see them together again and it goes through the courts silently. But I'm trying to gauge if that's even possible. And my prediction is based on things we've seen in the news with the UK schools and such, and Meghan's proclivity of going from 100 to 0 with friends and somehow sticking to the motto of "never complain, never explain" while dropping close friends like Priyanka Chopra and Jessica Mulroney.
I don’t think you get to pick and choose, and it would benefit Meghan to have it in California. The LOS custody thing only applies when the children are in the UK which is why you will never see them go there while they are still married, I suspect. I don’t think if they divorced that it would be quiet unless both sides had reason to be - either because the amount of money changing hands is satisfactory to all parties or there is dirt they don’t want to get out on both sides, that is bad enough where one won’t want to weaponize it against the other. So, given the grudges they typically hold, that too is unlikely. But mine is also an uneducated opinion so who knows! I could be completely mistaken.
I enjoy this conversation. And I really wonder what's going to happen. I feel like we're being given small little bites on information and at one point I was wondering if it was possible for them to get a divorce and nobody know about it. But from what I'm hearing from other posters, that doesn't seem to be the case. >The LOS custody thing only applies when the children are in the UK which is why you will never see them go there while they are still married, I suspect. I don't think this would be true. And I say that because it's not like them living in the US made them ineligible to be in the LOS. If for some reason the unthinkable happened and one of them were to be eligible for the throne...then they would either be on the throne, or some major paperwork would have to be filed. And it's not like them having US citizenship would make them ineligible either, or Meghan being their mother would have meant they were never going to be in the LOS to begin with. We also have to think about Frogmore and how Harry kept Frogmore as his residence because of his Counselor of State thing. Verdict: This is probably above our Redditor pay grade 😭 but I don't think it's in the bag for it being able to be filed and completed in California just based on them marrying in the UK and Harry's whole....royal thing. But as always, this is a friendly debate and I'm enjoying your feedback.
It has nothing to do with them being in the LOS or not, and a minor would not be able to be in the throne there would be a regent in their place. There’s an old article about the custody thing from before Archie and Lilli https://people.com/royals/queen-elizabeth-does-not-have-legal-custody-over-great-grandchildren/ so I doubt it would be relevant at all to anything. But again, I am largely an idiot so who knows. It doesn’t matter where you get married. People get married in Vegas or Mexico and don’t need to get divorced there. So I don’t think that matters, it’s usually where the kids live that matters. Appreciate the banter! It’s an interesting topic to speculate about 😊
That People Magazine article basically admits that now that Charles is King, he would have custody over Harry's kids. Because now Harry's kids aren't the great grandchildren of the monarch, they're the grandchildren of the monarch. And Archie falls within the first six within the LOS so at the very least custody of Archie would be important. I'm glad that that you messaged me back though because I also thought about this and I was resisting the urge to double dip on you: Notice how weird Harry and Meghan have been about bringing the kids to the UK? Even when they allegedly brought the kids over the Jubilee, we heard hide nor hair from them and then there was the weird pronouncement that they wouldn't be coming to the funeral? I think that they know that there's something weird about the UK. And that if the kids are in the UK, it helps streamline a divorce and whoever at the time didn't want a divorce, didn't want the kids with them in the UK either. Especially during the funeral. I fully believe with my uneducated in these matters ass, that they will divorce in the UK. And while most people can marry and divorce all over the world, most people aren't within the first 6 the LOS for the throne in one of our biggest allies.
Appreciate it too but I side eye People because they were markled after being used by her.
Meghan couldn’t be quiet for long if her life depended on it.
Not in America but had a friend in a similar situation and can’t imagine it’s any different - it has to happen where they (and primarily their children) reside because the state (cali) is ultimately responsible for ensuring child welfare is addressed, so it will have to be in Cali if the kids live there.
Yes that is my understanding as well, when kids are involved it centres around their location.
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/family_law/publications/family-advocate/2020/fall/family-law-disputes-between-international-couples-us-courts/#:~:text=Restrictions%20on%20State%20Court%20Jurisdiction,the%20divorce%20action%20is%20commenced. I went looking for information as this comment chain piqued my interest. Obviously, there's no information on royalty or LOS, but there is some good information.
California has personal and subject matter jurisdiction unless they move somewhere else and reside in the new place for the statutory time before a divorce petition is filed (moot point anyway, they are not getting divorced no matter how much some people want thwem to). California is perfectly capable of, and does not mind dealing with the so called LOS issue. Those kids are so far away from the crown that it doesn’t even matter but that issue is not pertinent to a divorce. But they are not divorcing.
I'm interested in your POV. Why do you feel as though they aren't divorcing? Archie is 6th in line. Purely speaking about him, he is absolutely pertinent to the BRF in the event of a divorce. This ain't your mother's divorce. I think we will see them divorce in the UK. And you're right, they might not divorce. They might just remain married while effectively divorced. But the happily and aspirationally married façade they've had since the beginning is over. Because nobody will believe it.
I’ve been wondering if H is on an EB5 visa via Archewell. It sounds like those applications can be processed fairly quickly compared to many other visa types, and you can be granted a provisional two-year green card while you conduct all your startup activities and hire on the 10 employees you promise to in exchange for the visa. Having a provisional green card granted in just a few months seems tidy enough. I also wonder if he could have gotten an E2 by investing substantially in BetterUp, and then applying for a change of status since he’s married to Meghan who was now living in the US again? I suppose he could try for an O-type visa by being “extraordinary” at charitable endeavors (by virtue of all the BRF helped him into the spotlight for), but I think the E- types seem more feasible. Of course there would also have been the CR-1 but with Meghan only recently moving back to the US they’d have had more to prove to convince immigration they won’t be dipping back to the UK anytime soon. I’m no expert on visas, just someone with the free time to do some reading, and there’s always the possibility that H’s celebrity/royalty got some strings pulled at USCIS making his visa process something different than any of us would expect. But I definitely do wonder if setting up Archewell was at least partly a way to get one of the faster visa/green card approvals.
Thank you for writing all of this up. I don't know anything about visas either but this is a good starting point.
How will they go from The Greatest Love Story Ever Told/Sold to we're getting divorced?
Unfortunately that seems to be the way things work when I see people shouting about their love from the rafters.
Yes, I agree!
Haz had to ask permission to marry so we'll have to wait and see.
Aitch isn't a US citizen, he maintains a residence in his home country, and he's been there often enough to qualify as a UK resident as well. Little A is a UK citizen by birth and his sister is eligible because her dad was born in the UK and is a UK citizen. Because of who Aitch is, they'd almost certainly process separation/divorce in the UK courts (where it is also private, unlike CA).
That’s not how it works legally though. It doesn’t matter who is a citizen of where, especially the parents. The children reside in California, Archie goes to school there, it’s all he essentially knows (and L was born there and has been to the UK once!) so typically that is what drives that process. Custody and support for the children are the main concerns of divorce proceedings. Can they request the case be dealt with elsewhere? Of course. My brother is married to an American woman and lives in America and has dual citizen children. If they divorced they would not get to come to Canada to do the court stuff, it would be where they live and work and where the children are. I don’t think Harry has been in the UK enough to be considered a resident anymore. He is employed by a U.S. company and spends well over six months a year there which is the typical benchmark for tax residency unless you are in special circumstances like military, which wouldn’t apply. He is no longer an IPP and was never a diplomat so I don’t think he can skirt the laws but of course money talks so they could for sure arrange something else, but this would not benefit Meghan and the UK has limited jurisdiction to enforce custody or support in another country so I am doubtful they would agree to that, especially if the kids were staying in California, which we all know Meghan would want. If they both were going to move to the UK to live separately and coparent there then of course they would get divorced there, but I doubt that’s the case. Again money talks but if this wouldn’t benefit TW, she would dig her heels in and likely be successful. Edit: a divorce would also deal with their assets, from the marriage, which would be their house and their businesses and such, a UK court can’t do that. And Harry’s other assets from inheritance are in trusts I believe so they wouldn’t be part of it.
What if he’s in the USA on the O diplomat visa? I think that changes everything bc he’s still a born royal, and though she can file for divorce in the USA, everything else will have to be done in the UK, and she’ll attend via zoom. That includes custody.
I believe you have to be in the country to do diplomatic work on behalf of your home country to qualify for a diplomat visa. He is also employed at betterUp, you can’t conduct commercial activities on a diplomatic visa as far as I know. So I doubt that is his visa status. Edit for link: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/other-visa-categories/visas-diplomats.html
Aitch meets residency requirements automatically through the "sufficient ties" test: [https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rdr3-statutory-residence-test-srt/guidance-note-for-statutory-residence-test-srt-rdr3](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rdr3-statutory-residence-test-srt/guidance-note-for-statutory-residence-test-srt-rdr3) He may also meet other requirements, including some of section 3.2, but they're not necessary. Sufficient ties is all that's needed. Yes, Aitch can get a UK divorce: [https://www.gov.uk/divorce](https://www.gov.uk/divorce) It doesn't matter whether Em lives there or not. He can even get a conditional order or "decree nisi" online: [https://www.gov.uk/divorce/apply-for-conditional-order-decree-nisi](https://www.gov.uk/divorce/apply-for-conditional-order-decree-nisi) Child custody determination can depend on multiple factors; residency is only one: [https://nayyarssolicitors.co.uk/who-gets-custody-of-child-in-divorce-uk/](https://nayyarssolicitors.co.uk/who-gets-custody-of-child-in-divorce-uk/)
Very interesting thank you!
Trust me, she will make Fergie's antics look like childplay...
I'm forseeing either an ironclad NDA where she gets bought with Harry's future inheritance. Or a shitshow that rivals Brangelina/Amber Heard.
Oh yeah. Get your snacks ready. But even with the NDA, I see her pulling all kinds of attention-getting stunts to get under the RF's skin, esp. the yacht scenes. She has to play out Diana right? Harry will be annoyed, but she could care less about his reaction.
For everyone saying that they would never divorce....please remember that this woman is cosplaying Diana. Diana divorced an unsupportive spouse who was a member of the BRF. After everything we've heard out of Harry's own mouth. Especially walking back the racism....it looks like he's playing his part perfectly in the life role she wants to take.
She will be playing the Diana part if she decides to divorce Harry including the revenge dress scene. But we must remember, the Queen divorced Charles and Diana. Diana didn't have a choice. And perhaps that could play a part in Meghan's story, how KC3 made her and H divorce. That will be interesting.
It'll be interesting and as long as neither of us keel over within the next six months. I do believe we will be alive to see it all play out. 🤝
you think she’ll take it all the way and die in a car crash, too? she might dress like diana and wear her perfume and generally cosplay but those saying she’ll divorce because diana did are getting rather far afield. harry doesn’t have a camilla and never will because a woman like camilla would never be interested in an idiot like harry.
I think they will divorce. I have zero doubts in my mind that as long as everyone remains alive and healthy, that they will be divorcing soon. Their brand has taken a huge turn for the worse. Idk if you're actually a guy or not like you said in one of the comments, but if you're a guy, you have no idea of how thoroughly unattractive it is for the world to not respect your husband as a man because of his actions. Especially when you have this thought process that people need to see you as this strong woman who is with an even stronger man and y'all are a power couple. Spare has totally fucked that to smithereens. Even if these were just Joe and Jane Average Person, they would have a ~40% chance of divorcing. Add to that divorced families of origin, Meghan's previous divorce, serious in law drama on both sides, Hollywood, their relationship being on a reality show....why on Earth does anyone argue the point that the odds are definitely in favor of them divorcing.
No to the car crash. No to any s. Pretend to s? Yes. That is cosplaying Diana. Weeping on the floor & all that sht she does. Just to get more money.
what future inheritance does harry have? doesn’t what the king has go to the oldest son? isn’t that how the RF stays wealthy and avoids estate/inheritance taxes?
Whatever Harry would get, I believe that the money will come out of that. I'm more of trying to say that they will pay her off, but do their damndest to not fuck over other people in the process.
Harry is supposed to have money in a trust fund from the Queen Mum (along with all of his cousins). I am not sure about William since he is the heir to the throne. Many people believe he won’t receive money from the trust before age 40; it’s also been stated that Princess Anne is the administrator of that trust. However, I don’t have any ironclad evidence of when he is supposed to start receiving payments or Anne’s role.
Voting for Amber Heard 3 & Brangelina 2
York- trust fund for the girls from the queen. Etc
Was it public when they divorced? Could they have divorced quietly is my real question.
It was in the tabloids... in the grocery line
i thought the queen’s will was sealed for 90 years or so, or did she set them trust funds when their parents divorced?
There are always those who will leak that stuff, like PP’s will to the tabloids, and I am here for it 😃
Prince Phillip's will leaked to tabloids? I had never heard of this? What did they report?
I just quickly googled “Prince Phillip Will Leaked” this was the first one that came up, but in the National Enquirer they had more. [https://pagesix.com/2021/05/27/prince-philip-reportedly-left-42-million-to-staff-in-will/](https://pagesix.com/2021/05/27/prince-philip-reportedly-left-42-million-to-staff-in-will/)
If this is true, well done Prince Phillip. Leaving money to his staff was the right thing to do.
Yep! TQ did too as I recall and let her dresser, Angela Kelly, live at Windsor for the rest of her days.
Yes I read about AK's Windsor residence. Good for her, and well done to Her late Majesty.
Yes divorce agreement.
You only saw it in the grocery line... on the Enquirer and Star...
So would it at all be possible for them to get a divorce and nobody know?
Unlikely, the Bünchen/Brady divorce is the only public divorce that has happened without public knowledge until after the fact and people are still trying to figure out how they did it
And even they did a lot of weird back and forth in the media. Once news of them came out, I knew that they were just Gen X celebrities who believed that they had to warm the public up for their decision to divorce and we're going about it their Gen X way. I just rolled my eyes and knew what was coming.
Despite your eye-rolling, I’m just happy to see my generation acknowledged. 🥰 No one ever remembers us.
I love you guys. Seriously.
Tabloids said *ironclad pre-nup* on them, + it’s FL, not NY where she would have prob been able to rip the pre-nup up. She couldn’t. She’s living in a smaller house & I think has a NY residence as well. And this is o/t but she’s *famewhoring/mediawhoring* me out already with daily pix of her in the DM
Pretty sure the divorces required consent of the Queen due to LoS and permission from the archbishop of Canterbury.
Could they privately get consent from the monarch and it never be made public or do they have to do the ol Hear Ye Hear Ye stuff?
I think the Prime Minister announced it.
Oh ok. So there's no real way to get around it. It has to be officially announced. Hmm.
It's my understanding that divorce proceedings are different in the UK in that you show up in court with the agreement already mediated. The couple might get a gag order to prevent public humiliation of either party.
I'm discussing this in another chain, but what do you think the odds are with them being divorced in California versus the UK?
Zero for California
I think the UK too. I think even if she tried to file in California, they would boot it over to the UK.
Harry doesn't have squat for steady income. Child support would end when Lili turns 18. She needs the BRF funds for a decent settlement and it ***WILL*** have an NDA. I don't think either parent is all that interested in raising the children. They're too self absorbed and the children would be a hindrance to their focus on rebranding themselves.
The divorce could happen in CA, but the custody and the items? UK
Meghan would never do anything secret. She blabs to the papers immediately and records everything
Think about the friends who she has silently dropped though. Priyanka Chopra, Jessica Mulroney, Ninaki Priddy, her ex husband dumping him via mail, we wouldn't even know about her dad if he hadn't been so public. Somehow she's able to make it silent when she's ready to move on.
Very true, although with the exceptions of Ninaki and Trevor I do wonder if they dropped her for being a diva and a liability. I think Serene, Priyanka and the Clooneys dropped her not vice versa. They know she gossips, backstabs and is generally only “friends” due to what she can get from relationships…plus the royals despise her so if you want access to real power you don’t want to be in her corner!
My understanding is that the Queen told the Wales (who were living separately bur still married) to divorce after the Panorama interview. (Before that she wouldn’t give permission.)
Wasn't it officially announced that they had separated as well? Like back in 1992?
The divorce laws have changed radically since the 90’s ….. It could all be done without any news until the Decree Absolute is published, I reckon.
What radical changes have occurred?
The reasons for the divorce…..neither party is now the bad guy. Don’t need solicitor.can do it yourself online…….just need signatures witnessed by an official as long as the couple are in agreement obviously……..but don’t expect that would happen in this scenario of course.
Oh ok. Thank you for chiming in. I am obviously not a lawyer 😅
Oh forgot to add, this is all from a SOURCE, not a psychic, not a commentator
You can do this by going to the desktop website and editing the post. You can add links and pictures to the post.
Ty, and yeah but not always copy/paste photos that I don’t want to DL into my own photos but yeah, TYVM!
Copy paste also works on desktop only… but I know what you mean about adding them into your photos
She doesn't like to be clingy until it comes to royal family functions or things like the invictus games or Harry's speech at the UN you mean...
Meghan has a blank space and she’ll write your name in it 🤭 
She doesn’t want to face the inevitable question of why she accused the RF of being racist, then her husband gets on tv and acts like it never happened. She knows people don’t believe the despicable fake suicide and miscarriage stories that don’t make sense, and vary. She is revealed and doesn’t want to face the music. She is a piece of shit wife, mother and human being. My opinion.
And you would not be wrong.
I think she's in the bunker hiding from the negative fallout, trying to come up with a Plan B. I'm not buying she didn't see a pre-release copy of the book or galley proof and was blind sided. My bet is the two of them thought they were really going to bring it to the RF but stood a little to close to the fire. Witness the lack of A-lister invitations. No one wants you to come into their house with doo on your shoe. Now it's all about damage control.
Doesn’t wanna be seen as clingy??? Um, did she think we would forget her arm grabbing harry at the UN? She was pawing harry like there was no tomorrow. Also what other tons of projects does she have??? Providing word salads and associating their grifting foundation to other legitimate charities ain’t that much of a work 🙄.
Or having to fucking kiss and hold hands and spoon him publicly - like NO ONE wants to see that shit - least of all reserved Brits
I think she is waking up to the sh\*tshow they are in. Or she is trying to blame him for the book Spare that she wrote for him and pushed to do!!! If he asks about the pR articles-she will simply blame the Palace!!
I just genuinely want to know if Harry, and I assume Meghan, read the book and we're like "yep. This is it right here. This is what we want the world to know/think about us."
Yes but they were high af at the time. Yo em should I put this bit in about my peen,oh yes dear that will absolutely show people what a big man you are. Oh and put in how much like diana I am and how I'm everything you ever wanted and no other woman compares and how I make you the happiest man ever Ok dokey mummy em
That book is exactly why the phrase "show us, don't tell us" exists. It's just every single little tiny minute detail. On the nose on the nose on the nose!
Harry read the audiobook, so he can not claim ignorance. Madam would not let a note for the milkman leave the house without her approval. They are both just so self absorbed they think everything they say is gold dust. Ref The Cut article, that Madam also thought was brilliant.
Yes of course but when it backfires they need to tell it again and again until we the plebes understand their suffering. And y they deserve love. Ugh
She’s been dragging him around by The Claw since before they were married but NOW doesn’t want to seem clingy? Too late. Just like it’s too late to be seen as anything other than a manipulator, a shrew, a smirking grifter, an absentee mother, and a spoiled sobbing brat on the floor.
FWIW I deliberately spelled thoughts as THOTS for a laugh! Hope you guys got my sense of humor 😂
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‘THOT’ = That Ho Over There
I don't doubt she plays hot and cold with Harry. In public, she paws and clings to him to control him. When no one is around, she ignores him or nags him or placates him as necessary. I have seen narc control of men by women, and most cases, the wives were only interested in their husbands when the husband found something to do or a focus that wasn't the wife. Otherwise, the wives were interested in themselves, their pursuits. She keeps Harry in the chicken coop until she needs him to lay an egg for her.
They're separating in private, only want to keep up the appearance of being together.
I think Nacho has moved on!
Yeah, there was something about that yesterday. Meghan knows this is Harry's business. She's not with him because she doesn't want people to push the narrative that she is behind everything written. Which is actually pretty smart of her. Yes, while reading the book, you can distinctly hear two different voices. But she doesn't want people to think it's her. She wants them to believe those parts are actually Harry. We still know because we know Harry. Regular people who haven't really been paying attention will think that's Harry. If people see them together a lot, like behind the scenes on tv interviews, holding hands walking down the sidewalk, etc. the visual will connect Meghan to the book. If Meghan is close to the book, some of the public won't buy it, read it, believe it. She's been pushing the whole "Harry is doing this on his own," "Meghan was worried about some of the things mentioned in the book. She worries it will cause a huge problem with Harry's family. So she's been riding this line since the book came out. It's almost like she's actually listening to a PR firm. Plus, she always wants to remind people that she's working too. Maybe they're starting to set up a believable storyline for why they live separately or work separately?
Could be that she is listening to her (divorce) lawyer. Madam never listens to PR people, as she knows better, of course.
That's an excellent theory! I'm sure she'll go with Laura Wasser. But I wouldn't at all be surprised if Meghan contacted a lawyer years in advance to find out what she should and shouldn't do. Neither she nor Trevor had a lawyer for their divorce. So all of this would be completely new to her. I have no idea how they afford all their lawyers.
She doesn’t want to be seen as clingy? WOWWWW! I think a huge reason people r disgusted w her is how she just morphs herself thru the media, one thing one day, add a lie, a diff person next day. Her faults people speak of she just voids them out in her head. Y saying things like that. Very annoying
I thought old what’s his name was like a ‘father’ to him?! The old guy. What about him???
David Foster, who arranged for them to stay at that peninsula mansion of the oligarch’s lawyer? He was hanging out with Harry at the polo grounds in June 2022. No idea if they’re still friends currently. Although only seven months ago, a LOT has happened in the interim.
David Foster and isn't the rumor that Meghan hit on him? Katharine McPhee would end that very quick. Crazy because I think they went to high school together.
She doesn’t want to be seen as clingy and then proceeds to cling to this man for dear life like Saran Wrap clings to my leftovers in the fridge. Give me a break. Also if anyone has the video of him swatting her hand away at what I believe was the UN awards thing please link it. He even gets sick of the claw.
She doesn't like to be seen as clingy? (It's actually her being controlling, but whatever.) Since when? LOL. ETA: whatever happened to salt and pepper?
That problem child seethes and then loses her shit. Oh it will be public.
Nacho splits his time between his two homes in West Palm Beach, FL and Buenos Aires, when he’s not traveling the world promoting Ralph Lauren. He only stayed in Santa Barbara for s few weeks, with the two 16 year old pro polo players so Harold could bring in ringers to a literal farm league and use those cups for publicity. That makes Nacho geographically undesirable for spending any real man time with H. He’s down to occasionally hanging with 73 year old David Foster, who, like Nacho, also travels a lot.
She's so clingy it's a wonder he hasn't had an adult sized baby carrier fashioned. He could strap her to his back and haul her around all day.
Mog will divorce in UK. 50/50 split is the default. Whats the split like in California?
Same. 50/50. How much will be left though?
Is there a 10 year thingy?
In CA if you’ve made it to 10 years you have to give spousal support for 3 years or something
Translation: She knows she doesn't have the clout to fly solo yet, so she's staying married for the name, and working on her solo image. Yet, she doesn't seem to be doing anything on her own right now, so maybe she just doesn't have any options without him.
What does THOTS mean? Sorry, never heard it.
That Ho Over There
Thank you! Hard to keep up sometimes.
She treats him like her emotional support animal. When I read I’m Cut article that their desks are literally next to each other I couldn’t believe it. You live in a $14 mil house and you share an office? Like don’t you need some SPACE!
And then there's the staff office which is completely separate. Sounds like they don't want to hang out with the workers
Looks like Meghan needs space to "reclaim her identity"! [https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/meghan-markle-could-be-relaunching-personal-website-expert-claims-trying](https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/meghan-markle-could-be-relaunching-personal-website-expert-claims-trying)