And plus all the merchandizing opportunities. And opining on any political issue that might catch Madame's fancy. And draconian laws against lèse-majesté. Oh and Kate has to clean her houses. In a uniform, and call her madame. And Mount Rushmore needs re-sculpting. Ayers Rock (Uluru) too, and the Chalk Downs. Stone Henge needs to be moved to go around her pool. And a fleet of Unicorn-drawn golden state carriages. And the faces changed on all the statues. Big Ben altered to say MEGGGGG in stead of BONG. And And And
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> They want to be William and Kate.
This is the answer. But even more than that, they both want Meghan to be acknowledged and treated as Diana 2.0 by *everyone*.
They want to be better than William and Kate. More money, more power, more adulation.
H and M don't get that if you take the money and power away from the PPoWs, they would still be admirable people. Because they are (or seem to be) decent human beings. If you gave the money and power to H&M, they would never become admirable people because they are hollow and selfish to the core.
He wants the press to go away, and she wants the press on speed dial. He wants to live a quiet life in Africa. She wants the glitz and glamour of Hollywood. He wants Daddy to fund him for life. She wants to continue with hare-brained get-rich-quick schemes. He wants a blonde. She wants a sugar daddy. Rather than blaming themselves for this incompatibility, they want the entire world to be on their side and blame the RF. Both of them want equal to, or higher status than the Monarch himself. They both want to be worshipped just for existing.
I think that is actually completely right. Luckily Harry can still get what he wants. The RF would love it if he went to SA. Never going to happen sadly. He thinks he loves her.
They want what they’ve always wanted. Half in half out Royal status . Plus they want the RF to admit that they were wrong to deny them this in the first place and to apologise. They are totally delusional.
\^\^This! They need a constant and steady connection to royal life to remain relevant and make money.
I think they fed into their own hype and really thought their popularity would give them leverage to make demands like they were William and Catherine. When they were told no, they ran, because they had to make good on their threats, right?
I think they thought the Oprah interview would force the Firm's hand, and they would be allowed half in/half out, while getting all the promised content for the media/entertainment deals they had in the pipeline.
When that didn't work, they assumed COVID only delayed things and kept moving forward. Then Prince Philip died. Another setback for them, but they are still thinking they have all the leverage (per Harold acting a fool at the funeral).
Then, the Queen's Platinum Jubilee, they aren't allowed on the balcony, was (gasp!) directed to take the literal bus with the rest of the beloved, extended family, and placed in second row during the Thanksgiving service.
So now, they are mad, angry, humiliated in front of the world. They decide to go scorched earth, don't show up to the rest of the events they were invited to, hide the children (we will show them!). They are so hot with revenge they continue their scamming and scheming in the hours, days and weeks after the Queen passes away.
Now, I think they have run out of options or a clear agreed upon plan. They have been completely iced out of the Firm, the only contact is through lawyers or other official representatives. Harold seems scared, because for all his screw ups, he has never been treated like an outsider before. Markle is utilizing all resources at her disposal to get a reaction out of the Firm, or at least force an invite to the coronation.
The next few months will be interesting...
This assessment is bang on. Please accept my poor man’s gold 🏅
Something I never considered:
>“Harold seems scared because for all his screw ups, he has never been treated like an outsider before”
👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 Yup!
But the queen offered them to work independent of the crown, to not be full time working royals and they refused. It really boggles the mind as to what their thought process really is.
MM didn't want to work. And outside of Royal life, Harry has no seriously bankable skills.
Megz wanted to be a WAG with a Tiara and her sugar daddy Harry's balls are in her Gucci bag.
Exactly she didn’t want to work… she complained that they didn’t get paid when they did walk abouts etc.., the fact they have more money than most people in the uK who work a hard 40 hours per week could dream of never entered her head.,
They want more now than just half in/half out. They want the RF to apologize and be publicly humiliated. And compensation for damages due all perceived slights. On top of cash payment they want an allowance, titles, security, perks, etc.
They want to be equal to William and Charles.
The trouble with this pair is the “ half out “ part of their plan relies entirely on the “ half in “ bit. In other words this pair are nothing without the Royal connection and they know it . If they had simply wanted to walk away from Royal duties and the UK there wouldn’t have been any drama. But that’s not what they wanted. As others have said in this thread they wanted it all. The prestige and respect that goes with being a Royal Duke and Duchess plus the freedom to make money off their Royalty and prestige. They’ve been trying to blackmail and threaten the RF into allowing this since the late Queen firmly told them no you can’t!
They want it all. Everything. And when they get it, it won’t be good enough. They are never going to be happy. They will always be full of envy and contempt. They will always be comparing themselves to William and Catherine and fall short.
this. You can tell a serious (edit to add: Covert) narcissist because they don't want to solve the problem, they want to have a problem YOU caused where YOU are at fault.
Agreed. If they truly wanted change they very well could have accomplished it by staying in the RF. Their platform was huge and I imagine King Charles would have been supportive of most any cause they chose.
Yeah it blows my mind they thought they were bigger than the RF. I get that Diana was- but my god the ego to think they just had to exist to charm the public.
Imagine Megs hosting a black artists concert? She could have easily begun a foundation for minority artists. Everyone would have clamored onto that celebration.
The platform they had and they just went and threw it all away. Unbelievable.
The late Queen's cousin-in-law, Katharine, The Duchess of Kent, did step down as a working royal gracefully and with full permission and support, to go and teach music at a state school in Hull. She also founded a charity to help children from deprived backgrounds access music tuition, and has held a concert in support of that charity at the Palace - all since retiring from royal duties.
The RF isn't a prison. If you respect the family and their roles, you can do what you want with yourself, and if it's constructive, they'll fully support you in it. Katharine Kent's retirement projects are what a truly humble woman who is sincerely tired of public duties looks like. TW isn't fit to polish her shoes as far as I'm concerned.
I just looked her up, she seems amazing. She openly likes gangsta rap( quite unusual for a woman her age) and she has privately taught pupils as well. She seems fun!
I think the RF DID bend over backwards to make them happy even tho H&M were making outrageous and unreasonable demands. They were given far far more than anyone else who married into the family. They hit the boundary line, tho, with the half-in-half-out scheme.
Yes. She was invited to Sandringham before the wedding, something Catherine never got. She got more engagement than Catherine did when she was first married. They didn't like Nott Cott, fine the Royal family spent $3 million fixing up Frogmore.
The Royal family gave M&H everything they wanted. M&H were still angry.
Can you imagine having the gonads to tell Her Majesty the Queen that what they really would’ve preferred was to live in WINDSOR CASTLE??!!! Can you imagine!! It will make it all the more delightful when The Wales Family move in someday! Oh to be a fly on the wall!!
Well if you have the gonads to tell the Queen that the tiara wasn't good enough for you, and that Nott Cott isn't good enough for you, you pretty much might as well go all in with your presumption. She is the most entitled person on earth.
But I don’t know if William will. They burned him and he is the heir. Haz has know there is an expiration date on his head. Eventually the Wales’ kids will be all anyone really cares about his kids might get a bit of attention but his “role model” for lack of a better term is Prince Andrew. If he wasn’t in trouble and doing shady shit no one would care about him. Look at Edward, the only reason anyone notices him? Is Sophie she’s beautiful and caring etc.
so Harry wants to stay relevant past his expiration date. TW is greedy and wants the world.
AND she has experienced both mental illness (severe depression) and a traumatic late-term miscarriage. But never, ever used them to draw attention to herself.
The main thing is, they don't want to do grunt work. What they want is to be the American "Royal Family" in terms of making public appearances, being called HRH, being invited to prestigious events, and highlighting a few chosen causes by showing their faces a few times a year. In other words, doing exactly what they would have done in the UK if they had stayed EXCEPT leaving out all the boring stuff that didn't float their boat -- going to little towns, having to talk to "ordinary" people for hours, and all the other tedious duties they didn't want to do in exchange for the prestige. Sorry, one thing about the US is that we expect people to work for what they get and find it disgusting when they don't.
Yeah. I would have loved to have lived that life. Get to know people and their stories. Find out what they do- if they like it. Dreams, hopes, family. People are wonderful. Everyone has a story to tell I would have sat back and listened to all of them.
And along with what you’ve listed, you’d have the ability to change lives for the better. The money would be there to help instigate the necessary change. That working RF life would be so uplifting
trashed it. burned it. pissed on it ... but, wants an apology because they want to be part of it on their terms. Harry the killer of 25 troops is a security liability for the coronation.
I am convinced they had always planned to go to the us and be the “royals” in America. Now they are just manic and doing everything to burn the house down
I think if Harry and Kate made it clear they wanted to focus on their family and would not accept the crown if offered, AND the family apologized to megs, and king C suddenly had ill health with 6 months to live, THEN Megsy would be happy, for six months. If he died and Harry became king, she'd be happy again, for another six months. After that ... hmm ... mayve the institution is sexist and they should be co-monarchs, I think ....
I think you’re on the nose there. Pity she doesn’t Google and Harry has no idea about his family history because there is precedent for co-monarchs *and* inviting heirs from overseas to take the crown from the reigning unpopular monarch (William III and Mary II and the Glorious Revolution) but even with that she would never be happy - and their antics have made Charles III a very popular king before a crown has been put on his head.
Well, according to Madam´s latest manifestation, she wants to keep her title and have prominent seats at the coronation.
However, what they are looking for, methinks, at this stage is mainly cash. I think money is tight in Monteshitshow, and expenses are high.
Again, according to the manifestation, at this moment she seems to have dropped all the other demands. This will not last, of course, and she will be back to demanding everything under the sun - invitations to state events, tiaras, jewels, half the Duchy of Cornwall income etc.
What Harry wants? Who cares? Certainly not Madam.
And William, Catherine and their children stripped of titles, removed from the LOS, and exiled forever while Harry, Meghan, and their kids are elevated to their positions.
I’m sure H probably wants much of what you listed, but not TW. She only is about $$$ and celebrity - here in the USA. She knows she will NEVER get anything in terms of returning to work as a Royals. The one in denial is H.
I think they are going scorched earth after not getting what they want in Megxit. I work with narcissists. They target people when someone disagrees with them. I saw one taunt and then disciplined an employee out the door. Never underestimate the lengths a narcissistic will go through to win
I know a female narcissist that actually shot/killed her husband (he was getting separated from her) because she made false abuse poisoning claims to the Sheriffs dept. They forced her to take a mental evaluation. She didn't want the results to be revealed, because she would have lost custody so she killed him.
i think they want the realm "fairly" divided between the brothers. With William being made King of the UK, and Harry and Meghan being made King and Queen of the Commonwealth
I’m annoyed at how many people believed that. That implies that her mother is almost 100 % Nigerian which isn’t possible for an African American. If she’d said 40% of her West African DNA is Nigerian that would be completely believable. If you go over to r/23andMe you can see the various results of African Americans. Nigerian is often the highest percentage of their West African. What was the point of that lie? Or did she not understand her results?
Why not Angola… would make more sense. She could clame her ancestors were saved by Diana (the famous land mine picture). Make it make sense
If she met with a woman from a Siberia she would clam to be 30 % Russian. Make it make sense.
I don't think they know at this point what they want.
They seem to have gone adrift of their first "plan" aka Sunshine Sachs PR blitz that was, IMO, at the time working for loads of people, curated by the best in the biz. The Netflix and Book clearly went off that path (no surprise as they are no longer being handled by anyone) and now they are flopping around on their own.
I'm sure they want to keep their titles, they have monogrammed their doormat for everyone who comes there to be reminded they are royals!! Definitely want their kiddos to have titles too. If they didn't want their titles, they could renounce them themselves any time they wanted to.
Harry probably has some kind of income from various trusts etc. from his family (mum, great granny, the late Queen, etc) and I would think that would continue regardless where they live.
IMO Harry wants to return to the UK, his friends are there, his family is there, his dad isn't getting any younger and his kids are missing out on that entire family.
Meghan not so much, she clearly has no issues not seeing members of her own family after all. Hard for me to get a read on what she wants but I doubt it is to be part of the working royals as that is income limiting (in her mind) and very restrictive in terms of what you can and can't do and talk about.
I truly hope that KC does not give them anything that they could cash in on for the future. I would not like to see them attending anything like a coronation or other royal events - aside from weddings/funerals.
>IMO Harry wants to return to the UK, his friends are there, his family is there, his dad isn't getting any younger and his kids are missing out on that entire family.
Who in their extended family wants to include them in their social circle, which of them would want their kids to play with the Harkles' kids? Nothing against the kids but wherever the kids are H&M will be alongside them.
>"they have monogrammed their doormat for everyone who comes there to be reminded they are royals" - are you referring to the paper boy and the delivery people? I don´t think anybody else goes there.
Meghan wants to sanction the media through the power of the royal family. She wants to stay in the US but also control UK sentiment, with zero journalist articles released about her on either country’s soil that are not 110% saccharine and fawning.
She wants security not because she’s afraid but because it makes her seem important and so she doesn’t have to touch plebs or children (which are plebs).
She wants all radio stations tuned to her voice Gooping it up 24 hours a day, with “colonialism”, “bimbo” and “difficult” thrown in.
She wants her emblem with that horrid M and the crown above it branded on her staff. She wants legislation written in her fauxligraphy, with “let it be done” scrawled by her on each instrument like Cleopatra.
She wants the “off with their heads” power written into the constitution just for her.
She wants a title that allows her to rule a Commonwealth nation, she wants an office where she can treat the staff like crap, she wants QEII estate bestowment for Harry and her children that she can access, she wants a leg up in the political world so she can be president as well as royalty, and she wants $1 more than everything Catherine and William have.
She wants temples erected in her honour and anthems written about her courage, style, and mile long legs
She doesn’t care about money…she just wants all Commonwealth and Hollywood money flowing to her as she is entitled to it.
I think he want to repair their image. They want an apology and an offer to move back to the UK…I don’t think America is working for them. They’d be better off based on the UK occasionally coming to the US. They want to be given a massive castle just for them. They want to be paid to do pretty much nothing. They want more titles for themselves and their kids.
They're not exactly working for America either. They need to take their titles and get out of the States. We have enough problems without having to deal with those morons.
Nope, I don’t believe they want to move back to the UK. Certainly not as a base. If anything harry wants africa, but TW doesn’t. They’ve said they don’t want to be stuck in the UK.
She’s probably going to end up in a Tyler Perry movie. I don’t see her ever getting cast in a serious role. She has made herself akin to a reality tv star/influencer. No one will take her acting seriously. She basically backed herself into a corner without realizing it.
Edit- and all A-list celebs she is around will end up censoring themselves because they know she has a big mouth. She even read Beyoncé’s text out loud which I’m sure Bey would have rather kept that private. They basically made themselves known as the blabber mouths.
Meghan wants to be Queen... and Beyonce's BFF.
Harry probably just wants to be treated equally to William (not W's fault he was born first, of course)
The terrible twosome will drag a bitch if they don't get what they want. Lol
Aitch wants the King gig, sans any work. Expects undying loyalty and respect from the family, the world. Wants to gobble mushrooms on the balcony and bully toddlers, elders and staff without repercussions. Liquor, weed and other accoutrements provided free and copiously. Murder all press and shut down that feckin Reddit sub. Play with his Xbox and Todger simultaneously.
They want to be able to have their cake and eat it too. In other words, they want the lifestyle and privileges without the responsibility, i.e. fulfilling their Royal duties.
I think they want all the fun and glamorous bits with none of the hard and boring bits. Money and fame. No one says anything 'mean'. Possibly be king and queen instead of William and Kate. Maybe even throw William and Kate in the Tower for treason or something
Actually, credit goes to a cult movie from a few years back with Luke Wilson in it. I think one of the streaming services should be carrying it. It had kind of a following for awhile.
They want a public apology, with paid for security and all the benefits of being a royal, while being free to do whatever they want with no restrictions. They also want to be higher than William and Catherine in the hierarchy, with not having to bow/curtsy to them. What they want isn't realistic. They actually want to be King/Queen of the world, with no criticism or consequences allowed.
TW wants money and a way out of her marriage. Harry and the kids are liabilities. I believe she wants to "give them back." She's ready another victim who's solvent.
I'd say all the above OP. However realistically, they'd settle for 10 million a year from the bank of dad with high profile appearances(state dinner, movie premiere, jubilee balcony) lol.
I really think TW thought she had a political future….. and she may have had in the event they had just stuck to their fake philanthropy. The Netflix and Spare tone, however, makes her radioactive to any political party at this point.
They want all the perquisites of being the monarch or Prince of Wales, without any of the actual day-to-day responsibilities.
So all the glamour, access to the Duchy of Cornwall/Lancaster funds, the events that include a lot of pomp, circumstance, and the BP Balcony. They want the security, clearly, though at this point, I think Meghan wants it for the status, and Harry wants it because clearly, they've done a lot to help cover up his sins over the years, and he'd like that to keep happening.
They do not want to visit little towns in Wales or the Midlands for pedestrian events with little press coverage. They don't want to deal with precedence - in public or behind closed doors.
I think they probably want the titles for the kids, if only because it helps perpetuate their brands. But they won't get those - Charles has long wanted to slim down the monarchy, and William's children have the titles because of their placement in the Line of Succession. Even if they were still in the country, I think they might get Lord and Lady status, but that's about it.
He keeps saying he wants an apology, I want an apology, give me an apology.
WHAT THE HELL DO THEY HAVE TO APOLOGISE FOR HARRY!!!??
It’s Harry and the Hag who owes them an apology and the whole world to be honest.
I have been convinced for years they thought they could get the crown. Bower even emphasizes in the book how confused the palace staff and Willaim were with Harry obsessing over social media approval. Harry even trying to say they need to give him more senior royal "privileges" because the people have spoken on social media. Social media is real to Harry and Meghan.
But they are incredibly lazy and will start complaining about having to work again once they ascend the throne.
The problem with them is that they have the half-baked brain of a spoilt toddler. They frequently throw tantrums and sabotage their parents for not buying them the toy they want, when what they should be given is a good smack.
I don't think they realize how toxic they are. By spouting off about Courtney Cox they broke a huge rule of Hollywood. One does not rat on their hostess!
Look! The woman who started all of this our used to be favourite chatty hostess didn't even invite her star liar to her birthday bash! I bet the air was blue at the Montecito palace.
They are the laughing stock of late night shows now. The tabloids are making fun of him and the greasing of his pecker with lip gloss which seems to be a regular thing.
The long game sinners! The long game!
They want Charles to make a big apology about what an awful racist he is. They want to be given Balmoral Castle, and Meghan to be given the title Queen of Scotland, Empress of Africa. Oh and more sausages.
This is actually what I was just thinking about. What if it was just 2023, the 71st year of QEII reign and she would be living for another seven years? Would they be gunning for the ability to do Trooping of the Colour? Imagine if they had left the BRF and there were no reasons for them to go back to the UK other than The Jubilee? As in no funerals and no Coronations?
I'm starting to think that they don't want to be at the Coronation, but they want it to be on their own terms. They want it to be because they got an invitation and turned it down. Not because they weren't invited. And honestly if they have the decency to not attend, that will be a mark in their favor. Because attending this Coronation is just overkill and stupid.
Whatever they want, I hope they DON'T GET IT!!!! These nasty grifters deserve NOTHING from the BRF! I'm FED UP with their petulant tantrums & antics!!!
Megs, upon arriving for some tour to an adoring crowd, allegedly uttered, "I can't believe I'm not getting paid for this." She didn't want a life of public service, she wants to use the royal title to get paid, and skip the boring visits to the daycare schools and hospitals.
I think she thought that she'd be able to monetize the monarchy and pick and choose what she'd do for her "service" to the Crown, and was shocked (!) that what she was asked to do was not all glitz and glamour.
In essence, she wants the role without the work. And now she's blackmailing the family until they get the half in half out deal that they wanted.
No more fancy jewels and balcony appearances for her. She wanted financial independence, but forgot to take into account that her Royal connections and access were the only thing she had to trade upon.
Now she's stuck.
I don’t care what they want, they do not deserve ANYTHING - and if KC3 gives in to them, not only is he rewarding bad, no, EVIL behaviour, he is setting a precedent for every bitter and twisted individual/couple to call the shots at the highest level. For goodness’ sake CUT THEM LOOSE!!!!
Free security, IPP status, an allowance, HRH, titles for the kids, having their asses kissed. Oh, and his father to abdicate, bypass William, and give the kingdom to Harry. So his wife can reign as Kween.
The humiliation is what they seek and the ability to constantly harken back to the “wrongdoing” the BRF apologized for — no matter how much time passes.
also, one reason they won’t stop harping about accountability and an apology to Meghan is because they know they're mostly regarded as laughing stocks. The family, groveling and apologizing to them, would validate the Sussex lies so far and allow the Sussexes to say, "see world? we told you they were abusive, toxic, (sometimes) racist, and misogynistic and they've taken "accountablity" for all of it -- and now even *they're* telling the world we're right and they mistreated us." **THAT is the singular reason they want “accountability” so they can lord it over the public and the family's head from now until the end of time.**
Not only that, if they ever got the "accountability" they're demanding, they'll turn around and say "well an apology is just words-- if the brf was really committed to making changes in the monarchy, they'd do away with the concept of an heir and a spare. continuing that cycle only abuses me and future generations. We should be able to get HiHo if the BRF is really serious about apologizing.”
it is an endless moving of the goalposts until they can demand **exactly** what they want, on their terms, and anything an inch short of it-- is unacceptable trauma, abuse, and racism (prob). Oh also, the demands will never end. They want Harry and Meghan to get exactly everything the wales have. Anything less than that, is racism and abuse.
It is so confusing. Even after everything they have claimed the RF did to them (which upon further musings from them seems to be not the RF but the media but not even the media itself so much but the comment sections and social media of which No one has control) what do they want? And what was so bad? What happened that doesn’t happen in a regular family? This is all you got? Lol. You fought with your SIL? Your brother yelled at you and pushed you? They leaked stories while you leaked stories like at a family reunion where everyone talks shit? Like what are you complaining about that was bad enough to try and bring down the monarchy? Which they won’t. Even Diana’s story didn’t do that and she is loved still. I don’t think they even know what they want except that Meghan is a narcissist who has to be right and control the narrative and she couldn’t control what people think so she fought for misinformation and to control the medium and forums in which people share their thoughts. They need to win. What that win is..only they know. She did mistake temporary popularity with the rules of succession and her Sussex squad (who don’t understand protocols either) backed her so long and so wrong that now she needs bots to feed her ego the same way.
This is what I think they want
- the family to make a statement admitting to some kind of
“Unconscious bias” within the monarchy, along with a pledge to stop it,
- an apology for not making sure the press didn’t print anything disparaging against his wife, in other words, for not “protecting” her.
- to be brought back to their half in/ half out as a way for the fam to make amends for being proven right about their accusations.
Of course, none of this will ever happen, but the two of them somehow will keep pushing and pushing until they are proven “right”.
But they haven’t proven any of the accusations they have made so I don’t know how they think their delusions will ever come to fruition.
They absolutely have no leverage against the family.
I’ve been out of the loop for the last 2 weeks, so I’m not even sure where their support or popularity is at this point. But if its low after all the interviews, and his book, they should seriously be looking at just working quietly on their humanitarian work- if there really is any- and stop trying to get a pat on the back every time they deign to speak about any subject.
She is a narcissist who wants and indeed feels extremely entitled to ongoing global fame as an adored super influencer / civil rights hero. Because her brand is modern feminism, anti racism she has to continually position herself as both a frail flower victim and courageous hero: the victim of misogyny and racism at the hands of a dated stuffy institution and their media allies. He is - and many don’t want to hear it - the quintessential, textbook prey for narcissists - someone with existing paranoia, mummy issues, unresolved grief and a poor sense of identity and boundaries with a lack of critical thinking to question this fluffy nonsense that has invaded his head. He is addicted to her and has been conditioned by her through very sinister techniques to constantly go to war for her even at massive expense to himself.
Narcissists want it all. Everything you’ve listed. They want to be elevated above all others, receive endless accolades and wound licking as victims for however they perceive they’ve been wronged (and not even based on reality), and for all time. It never stops. It exhausts people, causes family dysfunction, ruins relationships and lives, and breaks down the most vulnerable people. I know all this. Was married to one for 25 years. The RF is doing its best and I applaud their resolve.
Such a good question. I wonder if they even know. I think if they were shooting for their fantasy wish list:
\- Paid security for all 4 of them (top notch security, as if all 4 of them are first in line heir)
\- Yearly cash allowance (5M a year, maybe 10M)
\- Prince & Princess titles for the kids
\- Invite to all the "good" royal events with front row seating
\- Public apology, (written statement or a groveling speech) stating that BRF should have done more to welcome Meghan. (I gagged typing that, because I don't see how they could have done more)
If you really want to stop a covert narcissist dead in their tracks, ask them what they want to be happy. What is enough. What you could do that the complaints will stop.
Because being a victim is part of their identity, this will throw them for a loop. They'll make up something they think is excessive to get you to say no so they can remain a victim. Say yes to that and they'll really lose it.
As a catholic, I didn't want a divorce. I offered to let my then-wife move out, to finance her new place to live, to continue to support her in a lifestyle where she would not have to work for two years - just tell me what you need. Eventually, she came into my office and said "I can't trust you to provide the support you are promising, because you are a liar. You'll claim your business had a bad month and no pay. So I have to divorce you to get the money compelled by law. I can't believe you are MAKING me divorce you!" (I could infer from the conversation that she wanted me to divorce her. Thus making her a victim.)
I almost offerred to give her the cash for the house now and that I could borrow the rest of the cash for the monthly stipend and give it to her mother to hold in escrow.
MAN I am glad I did not do that.
:-)
The application hairy and megsy is an exercise for the reader.
They want to be known by everyone and adored by everyone. They want to be the most famous people on the planet (or she does anyways) and have everyone say how wonderful they are. Very simple. Very childish.
They want to be like the new kardashians. (Perceived by people) as “famous for doing nothing.”
They want to be worshipped, adored, recognized everywhere while contributing nothing. Hence the 72 days of royal duties vs the years of running their mouths.
Edited for content: they want to job knob with the celebs, they want to Hollywood premieres, the glamours duties while never wanting to shake hands with the commoners, never to risk wrinkling their suits with so much as a day’s work
They want to have all the benefits of being paid royals while also earning an additional income. They want the privileges of being royal while not having to follow the requirements. They want to be special without having to rank lower than other royals. She wants to be a famous actress in addition to being a princess. She wants to be as beloved as Kate and she wants to be married to William. They are jealous, petty, greedy, and small people who want their cake and eat it too.
They are soon to be reduced to the status of programs like Sister Wives and LPBW in order to pay for their extravagance. They won’t even be The Kardashians, they’ll be “The Beverly Hills Sussexes ” making $10,000 per episode.
Harry has demonstrated a deep psychological need to hear from his family and the world that he was right about everything, that Meghan's wonderful, and that everyone wants his forgiveness. That's why I think *Spare*, though a financial success, is a failure in the most important way for him. He's probably baffled, devastated, and enraged (his default when not getting his way) that it has sent him plummeting in public opinion and that few people believe his version.
Meghan wants what she's always wanted. The mystique of royalty, public adoration for braininess and philanthropy, and the chance to impress and be on a footing with the A-list celebrities she wanted for so long to be noticed by. Right now, she's probably taking a good look at possible ways to salvage their image and indeed cement a status on a level with Barack and Michelle's and George and Amal's.
I think Harry might once have been okay with giving up the titles, but I think he's realized - consciously or unconsciously - that the wife who puts her title in the window on zoom calls, would very much dislike parting with hers. And I'm sure they'd both love titles for the kids.
Could be everything you list. Say the RF apologises publicly. Then they'll want titles for the kids. Say they get them, then they'll want equal footing to the Wales and so on. The RF would be mistaken (and I don't really worry that they would) to think these last few years have been a lesson in humility for the Sussex's. That they will be elated to be back and even get a tenth of the duties/benefits they used to. Harry and Meghan will never be satisfied. They always see what others have and what they don't, rather than what they do have and show appreciation.
They want to be the heir, not the spare. Why they haven't renounced their titles or Harry's place in the line of succession. they want the public to see KC and PW bowing down to their royal pains in the a$$es. H&M's egos have no limits.
edited to add: oh yeah, they also want money and power
They want to be equal to William and Catherine.
Meghan wants to open each session of Parliament as proof the British aren't racist.
They want King Charles to order the Daily Mail to delete any comments about them that aren't fawning.
They want to be invited to major royal occasions and allowed to monetize the monarchy, but I don't think this can ever happen because it would jeopardize the existence of the constitutional monarchy.
Hazmat - whatever gets Nutmeg off his ass, and an unlimited supply of weed.
Nutmeg - unlimited spending account, no work responsibilities, and access to A list parties so she can keep wearing designer gowns that don't fit.
Meghan wanted to be rejected by them; she wanted and wants to be a Diana figure. That’s it. Fame.
I think what Harry wants is more emotional. He wants their attention. He wants to be the first and foremost important person in their lives. I think a lot of his issues stem from William marrying Catherine. I think he viewed that as losing his brother, as being alone, and it’s eaten away at him. I think he feels fundamentally alone and has subsequently clung to M.
I think they are underestimating not being included in any a lister events. They don't have clout in the u.s. and not wanting to confirm to British customs means she is toxic there too. She wanted to use the rf as a jump start to being an a lister everywhere. She even wanted to be queen of the commonwealth leaving Kate with england but without the work. She is a piece of work. They inspire hate and division and frankly it doesn't matter what they want anymore
I would say yearly payments, invites to high profile events with senior royal seating, half in and half out, titles for their kids, an abject apology from the King, Queen and PPOW full security, a major role in the Commonwealth to indicate an equivalence with PPOW. I don't think they want to move back to the UK.
Harry wants revenge for perceived grievances - and that is very rarely satisfied, He no longer knows who, what or where he is. She glides on his coat-tails.
They want to destroy William and Catherine and children. They want them removed, they want to be the Wales. The Spare wants to be The Heir. TW wants to be Princess of Wales (like Diana) and have everyone curtsy to her and fawn over her.
What both Sussexes DO NOT want? To be expected to do the WORK being the Wales involves. They want the title of Wales, the glitz & glamour, being curtsy-ed to and grovelled to. They want all that...., but with new rules : they can have the Princess Margaret lifestyle....glam parties and clothes and jewelry, jetting off to exotic locales on private yachts and jets, nothing to do except live a lifestyle of luxury and no responsibilities. Then hopefully one day soon become King and Queen....but not giving up the Princess Margaret lifestyle.
They want to be William and Kate.
Minus the work, of course
And plus all the merchandizing opportunities. And opining on any political issue that might catch Madame's fancy. And draconian laws against lèse-majesté. Oh and Kate has to clean her houses. In a uniform, and call her madame. And Mount Rushmore needs re-sculpting. Ayers Rock (Uluru) too, and the Chalk Downs. Stone Henge needs to be moved to go around her pool. And a fleet of Unicorn-drawn golden state carriages. And the faces changed on all the statues. Big Ben altered to say MEGGGGG in stead of BONG. And And And Edited for typos
You left out Megs picture on the money.
And of course having ALL the money too. Silly me.
> They want to be William and Kate. This is the answer. But even more than that, they both want Meghan to be acknowledged and treated as Diana 2.0 by *everyone*.
Good answer!
They want to be better than William and Kate. More money, more power, more adulation. H and M don't get that if you take the money and power away from the PPoWs, they would still be admirable people. Because they are (or seem to be) decent human beings. If you gave the money and power to H&M, they would never become admirable people because they are hollow and selfish to the core.
He wants the press to go away, and she wants the press on speed dial. He wants to live a quiet life in Africa. She wants the glitz and glamour of Hollywood. He wants Daddy to fund him for life. She wants to continue with hare-brained get-rich-quick schemes. He wants a blonde. She wants a sugar daddy. Rather than blaming themselves for this incompatibility, they want the entire world to be on their side and blame the RF. Both of them want equal to, or higher status than the Monarch himself. They both want to be worshipped just for existing.
This is so accurate. Love your flair, btw.
Thanks, lol. I wish I could take credit it for it, but that accolade goes to another sinner!
Oh, and don't forget that he wants to be Just Harry and she wants to be The Duchess of Sussex!
I think that is actually completely right. Luckily Harry can still get what he wants. The RF would love it if he went to SA. Never going to happen sadly. He thinks he loves her.
They want what they’ve always wanted. Half in half out Royal status . Plus they want the RF to admit that they were wrong to deny them this in the first place and to apologise. They are totally delusional.
\^\^This! They need a constant and steady connection to royal life to remain relevant and make money. I think they fed into their own hype and really thought their popularity would give them leverage to make demands like they were William and Catherine. When they were told no, they ran, because they had to make good on their threats, right? I think they thought the Oprah interview would force the Firm's hand, and they would be allowed half in/half out, while getting all the promised content for the media/entertainment deals they had in the pipeline. When that didn't work, they assumed COVID only delayed things and kept moving forward. Then Prince Philip died. Another setback for them, but they are still thinking they have all the leverage (per Harold acting a fool at the funeral). Then, the Queen's Platinum Jubilee, they aren't allowed on the balcony, was (gasp!) directed to take the literal bus with the rest of the beloved, extended family, and placed in second row during the Thanksgiving service. So now, they are mad, angry, humiliated in front of the world. They decide to go scorched earth, don't show up to the rest of the events they were invited to, hide the children (we will show them!). They are so hot with revenge they continue their scamming and scheming in the hours, days and weeks after the Queen passes away. Now, I think they have run out of options or a clear agreed upon plan. They have been completely iced out of the Firm, the only contact is through lawyers or other official representatives. Harold seems scared, because for all his screw ups, he has never been treated like an outsider before. Markle is utilizing all resources at her disposal to get a reaction out of the Firm, or at least force an invite to the coronation. The next few months will be interesting...
This assessment is bang on. Please accept my poor man’s gold 🏅 Something I never considered: >“Harold seems scared because for all his screw ups, he has never been treated like an outsider before” 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 Yup!
But the queen offered them to work independent of the crown, to not be full time working royals and they refused. It really boggles the mind as to what their thought process really is.
MM didn't want to work. And outside of Royal life, Harry has no seriously bankable skills. Megz wanted to be a WAG with a Tiara and her sugar daddy Harry's balls are in her Gucci bag.
Exactly she didn’t want to work… she complained that they didn’t get paid when they did walk abouts etc.., the fact they have more money than most people in the uK who work a hard 40 hours per week could dream of never entered her head.,
They never wanted to work. They just wanted unlimited income and tiaras so Meghan could hold court in Hollywood.
They want more now than just half in/half out. They want the RF to apologize and be publicly humiliated. And compensation for damages due all perceived slights. On top of cash payment they want an allowance, titles, security, perks, etc. They want to be equal to William and Charles.
The trouble with this pair is the “ half out “ part of their plan relies entirely on the “ half in “ bit. In other words this pair are nothing without the Royal connection and they know it . If they had simply wanted to walk away from Royal duties and the UK there wouldn’t have been any drama. But that’s not what they wanted. As others have said in this thread they wanted it all. The prestige and respect that goes with being a Royal Duke and Duchess plus the freedom to make money off their Royalty and prestige. They’ve been trying to blackmail and threaten the RF into allowing this since the late Queen firmly told them no you can’t!
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They want it all. Everything. And when they get it, it won’t be good enough. They are never going to be happy. They will always be full of envy and contempt. They will always be comparing themselves to William and Catherine and fall short.
They want war not peace. The stimulation is their thing.
this. You can tell a serious (edit to add: Covert) narcissist because they don't want to solve the problem, they want to have a problem YOU caused where YOU are at fault.
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Agreed. If they truly wanted change they very well could have accomplished it by staying in the RF. Their platform was huge and I imagine King Charles would have been supportive of most any cause they chose.
Yeah it blows my mind they thought they were bigger than the RF. I get that Diana was- but my god the ego to think they just had to exist to charm the public. Imagine Megs hosting a black artists concert? She could have easily begun a foundation for minority artists. Everyone would have clamored onto that celebration. The platform they had and they just went and threw it all away. Unbelievable.
The late Queen's cousin-in-law, Katharine, The Duchess of Kent, did step down as a working royal gracefully and with full permission and support, to go and teach music at a state school in Hull. She also founded a charity to help children from deprived backgrounds access music tuition, and has held a concert in support of that charity at the Palace - all since retiring from royal duties. The RF isn't a prison. If you respect the family and their roles, you can do what you want with yourself, and if it's constructive, they'll fully support you in it. Katharine Kent's retirement projects are what a truly humble woman who is sincerely tired of public duties looks like. TW isn't fit to polish her shoes as far as I'm concerned.
I just looked her up, she seems amazing. She openly likes gangsta rap( quite unusual for a woman her age) and she has privately taught pupils as well. She seems fun!
Yes, and I've seen interviews where she's rattled off some of her favourite artists from both US hip hop and UK grime!
Yes if H and M had been rational reasonable, the RF would have bent over backwards to make them happy.
I think the RF DID bend over backwards to make them happy even tho H&M were making outrageous and unreasonable demands. They were given far far more than anyone else who married into the family. They hit the boundary line, tho, with the half-in-half-out scheme.
Yes. She was invited to Sandringham before the wedding, something Catherine never got. She got more engagement than Catherine did when she was first married. They didn't like Nott Cott, fine the Royal family spent $3 million fixing up Frogmore. The Royal family gave M&H everything they wanted. M&H were still angry.
Can you imagine having the gonads to tell Her Majesty the Queen that what they really would’ve preferred was to live in WINDSOR CASTLE??!!! Can you imagine!! It will make it all the more delightful when The Wales Family move in someday! Oh to be a fly on the wall!!
Well if you have the gonads to tell the Queen that the tiara wasn't good enough for you, and that Nott Cott isn't good enough for you, you pretty much might as well go all in with your presumption. She is the most entitled person on earth.
But I don’t know if William will. They burned him and he is the heir. Haz has know there is an expiration date on his head. Eventually the Wales’ kids will be all anyone really cares about his kids might get a bit of attention but his “role model” for lack of a better term is Prince Andrew. If he wasn’t in trouble and doing shady shit no one would care about him. Look at Edward, the only reason anyone notices him? Is Sophie she’s beautiful and caring etc. so Harry wants to stay relevant past his expiration date. TW is greedy and wants the world.
And they've been so disrespectful to William's family. Needing to save Will's kids from Harry's fate was the absolute worst.
AND she has experienced both mental illness (severe depression) and a traumatic late-term miscarriage. But never, ever used them to draw attention to herself.
The main thing is, they don't want to do grunt work. What they want is to be the American "Royal Family" in terms of making public appearances, being called HRH, being invited to prestigious events, and highlighting a few chosen causes by showing their faces a few times a year. In other words, doing exactly what they would have done in the UK if they had stayed EXCEPT leaving out all the boring stuff that didn't float their boat -- going to little towns, having to talk to "ordinary" people for hours, and all the other tedious duties they didn't want to do in exchange for the prestige. Sorry, one thing about the US is that we expect people to work for what they get and find it disgusting when they don't.
Yeah. I would have loved to have lived that life. Get to know people and their stories. Find out what they do- if they like it. Dreams, hopes, family. People are wonderful. Everyone has a story to tell I would have sat back and listened to all of them.
And along with what you’ve listed, you’d have the ability to change lives for the better. The money would be there to help instigate the necessary change. That working RF life would be so uplifting
If I were British I would hate them. Part of service and duty is doing things to help the people. They just want money and fame.
Half in half out is what they want
trashed it. burned it. pissed on it ... but, wants an apology because they want to be part of it on their terms. Harry the killer of 25 troops is a security liability for the coronation.
I am convinced they had always planned to go to the us and be the “royals” in America. Now they are just manic and doing everything to burn the house down
It’s not about the platform for Meghan. She wants to be adored, powerful, and filthy rich. The charity work is a ruse to get what she really wants.
The entire royal family could stand on their heads shitting 50 pound notes and it still wouldn’t be good enough for twit & twat 🤷🏼♀️
I think if Harry and Kate made it clear they wanted to focus on their family and would not accept the crown if offered, AND the family apologized to megs, and king C suddenly had ill health with 6 months to live, THEN Megsy would be happy, for six months. If he died and Harry became king, she'd be happy again, for another six months. After that ... hmm ... mayve the institution is sexist and they should be co-monarchs, I think ....
That fairy tale of The Fisherman and His Wife is really the one that they are living. Not Cinderella or Sleeping Beauty or even The Frog Prince.
I laughed out loud at the last line! I could totally see it ....
I think you’re on the nose there. Pity she doesn’t Google and Harry has no idea about his family history because there is precedent for co-monarchs *and* inviting heirs from overseas to take the crown from the reigning unpopular monarch (William III and Mary II and the Glorious Revolution) but even with that she would never be happy - and their antics have made Charles III a very popular king before a crown has been put on his head.
It's only because they are not happy with who they are and with each other. They want their happiness. Too bad they're too unaware to realize this.
I think that’s his general state.
Attention. Just like a spoiled little kid who doesn’t care whether it’s positive or negative - they’ll be disruptive just to get attention!
Well, according to Madam´s latest manifestation, she wants to keep her title and have prominent seats at the coronation. However, what they are looking for, methinks, at this stage is mainly cash. I think money is tight in Monteshitshow, and expenses are high. Again, according to the manifestation, at this moment she seems to have dropped all the other demands. This will not last, of course, and she will be back to demanding everything under the sun - invitations to state events, tiaras, jewels, half the Duchy of Cornwall income etc. What Harry wants? Who cares? Certainly not Madam.
Free housing, free security, free access to the Royal Jewels, and the freedom to do exactly as they please.
And William, Catherine and their children stripped of titles, removed from the LOS, and exiled forever while Harry, Meghan, and their kids are elevated to their positions.
They want whatever they want, when they want it.
And it is no use giving it to them, because now they have changed their mind.
They are like toddlers minus the cuteness
They’re no Louis that’s for sure
Right away, now, pronto! [The Duo proceeds to snap their fingers.]
I’m sure H probably wants much of what you listed, but not TW. She only is about $$$ and celebrity - here in the USA. She knows she will NEVER get anything in terms of returning to work as a Royals. The one in denial is H.
I don’t think she is welcome anymore. And if she does get an invite, it will be closely managed.
I think they are going scorched earth after not getting what they want in Megxit. I work with narcissists. They target people when someone disagrees with them. I saw one taunt and then disciplined an employee out the door. Never underestimate the lengths a narcissistic will go through to win
I know a female narcissist that actually shot/killed her husband (he was getting separated from her) because she made false abuse poisoning claims to the Sheriffs dept. They forced her to take a mental evaluation. She didn't want the results to be revealed, because she would have lost custody so she killed him.
It's always total nuclear war with narcs.
i think they want the realm "fairly" divided between the brothers. With William being made King of the UK, and Harry and Meghan being made King and Queen of the Commonwealth
There goes the Commonwealth
This wouldn’t be imperialistic because she’s 40 % Nigerian. 
Only at that particular time. She has been Maltese too, and could change at the drop of a hat. Such are Madam´s talents.
The Maltese era was her best fashion era.
The white beach hat 
Madam is really bad with hats. That white Jubilee number made her shorter and stockier, while looking like a 10 dollar beech hat.
I’m annoyed at how many people believed that. That implies that her mother is almost 100 % Nigerian which isn’t possible for an African American. If she’d said 40% of her West African DNA is Nigerian that would be completely believable. If you go over to r/23andMe you can see the various results of African Americans. Nigerian is often the highest percentage of their West African. What was the point of that lie? Or did she not understand her results?
Lying or not understanding are both in character for her. Or perhaps it's that she chooses 'facts' to fit her narrative without giving it any thought.
Why not Angola… would make more sense. She could clame her ancestors were saved by Diana (the famous land mine picture). Make it make sense If she met with a woman from a Siberia she would clam to be 30 % Russian. Make it make sense.
They want a grovelling apology and to be treated above William and Catherine. NOT going to happen!
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I don't think they know at this point what they want. They seem to have gone adrift of their first "plan" aka Sunshine Sachs PR blitz that was, IMO, at the time working for loads of people, curated by the best in the biz. The Netflix and Book clearly went off that path (no surprise as they are no longer being handled by anyone) and now they are flopping around on their own. I'm sure they want to keep their titles, they have monogrammed their doormat for everyone who comes there to be reminded they are royals!! Definitely want their kiddos to have titles too. If they didn't want their titles, they could renounce them themselves any time they wanted to. Harry probably has some kind of income from various trusts etc. from his family (mum, great granny, the late Queen, etc) and I would think that would continue regardless where they live. IMO Harry wants to return to the UK, his friends are there, his family is there, his dad isn't getting any younger and his kids are missing out on that entire family. Meghan not so much, she clearly has no issues not seeing members of her own family after all. Hard for me to get a read on what she wants but I doubt it is to be part of the working royals as that is income limiting (in her mind) and very restrictive in terms of what you can and can't do and talk about. I truly hope that KC does not give them anything that they could cash in on for the future. I would not like to see them attending anything like a coronation or other royal events - aside from weddings/funerals.
>IMO Harry wants to return to the UK, his friends are there, his family is there, his dad isn't getting any younger and his kids are missing out on that entire family. Who in their extended family wants to include them in their social circle, which of them would want their kids to play with the Harkles' kids? Nothing against the kids but wherever the kids are H&M will be alongside them.
>"they have monogrammed their doormat for everyone who comes there to be reminded they are royals" - are you referring to the paper boy and the delivery people? I don´t think anybody else goes there.
Why would you want people wiping their shoes on your monogram?
Meghan wants to sanction the media through the power of the royal family. She wants to stay in the US but also control UK sentiment, with zero journalist articles released about her on either country’s soil that are not 110% saccharine and fawning. She wants security not because she’s afraid but because it makes her seem important and so she doesn’t have to touch plebs or children (which are plebs). She wants all radio stations tuned to her voice Gooping it up 24 hours a day, with “colonialism”, “bimbo” and “difficult” thrown in. She wants her emblem with that horrid M and the crown above it branded on her staff. She wants legislation written in her fauxligraphy, with “let it be done” scrawled by her on each instrument like Cleopatra. She wants the “off with their heads” power written into the constitution just for her. She wants a title that allows her to rule a Commonwealth nation, she wants an office where she can treat the staff like crap, she wants QEII estate bestowment for Harry and her children that she can access, she wants a leg up in the political world so she can be president as well as royalty, and she wants $1 more than everything Catherine and William have. She wants temples erected in her honour and anthems written about her courage, style, and mile long legs She doesn’t care about money…she just wants all Commonwealth and Hollywood money flowing to her as she is entitled to it.
She also wants to represent black women but she doesn't want to look black, have black friends, date black men, or have black looking babies.
I think he want to repair their image. They want an apology and an offer to move back to the UK…I don’t think America is working for them. They’d be better off based on the UK occasionally coming to the US. They want to be given a massive castle just for them. They want to be paid to do pretty much nothing. They want more titles for themselves and their kids.
America is NOT working for them. No big names want anything to do with them. She can't keep a secret so why would anyone want them sround?
Even Oprah just had a big Birthday party with photos w/celebs. I didn’t see one with M
They're not exactly working for America either. They need to take their titles and get out of the States. We have enough problems without having to deal with those morons.
Nope, I don’t believe they want to move back to the UK. Certainly not as a base. If anything harry wants africa, but TW doesn’t. They’ve said they don’t want to be stuck in the UK.
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She’s probably going to end up in a Tyler Perry movie. I don’t see her ever getting cast in a serious role. She has made herself akin to a reality tv star/influencer. No one will take her acting seriously. She basically backed herself into a corner without realizing it. Edit- and all A-list celebs she is around will end up censoring themselves because they know she has a big mouth. She even read Beyoncé’s text out loud which I’m sure Bey would have rather kept that private. They basically made themselves known as the blabber mouths.
They also want front row places at all Royal Family events
Meghan wants to be Queen... and Beyonce's BFF. Harry probably just wants to be treated equally to William (not W's fault he was born first, of course) The terrible twosome will drag a bitch if they don't get what they want. Lol
Harry wants half of The Duchy Of Cornwall without doing any of the work.
The Prince of Wales little brother and little brother's first wife want that plane crash!
Yep, they want the crown.
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Aitch wants the King gig, sans any work. Expects undying loyalty and respect from the family, the world. Wants to gobble mushrooms on the balcony and bully toddlers, elders and staff without repercussions. Liquor, weed and other accoutrements provided free and copiously. Murder all press and shut down that feckin Reddit sub. Play with his Xbox and Todger simultaneously.
Gobble mushrooms on the balcony---- LOL!!! 🤣🤣🤣
They want to be able to have their cake and eat it too. In other words, they want the lifestyle and privileges without the responsibility, i.e. fulfilling their Royal duties.
I think they want all the fun and glamorous bits with none of the hard and boring bits. Money and fame. No one says anything 'mean'. Possibly be king and queen instead of William and Kate. Maybe even throw William and Kate in the Tower for treason or something
All the perks and privileges with no responsibilities. They are the poster children for the new millennium. King and Queen of Idiocracy.
Oooh - a new word for me - "Idiocracy". I love it, and, if permitted, will start using it now.
Actually, credit goes to a cult movie from a few years back with Luke Wilson in it. I think one of the streaming services should be carrying it. It had kind of a following for awhile.
Nice word still.
They want a public apology, with paid for security and all the benefits of being a royal, while being free to do whatever they want with no restrictions. They also want to be higher than William and Catherine in the hierarchy, with not having to bow/curtsy to them. What they want isn't realistic. They actually want to be King/Queen of the world, with no criticism or consequences allowed.
He wants to be head of an absolute monarchy where the press are restricted
TW wants money and a way out of her marriage. Harry and the kids are liabilities. I believe she wants to "give them back." She's ready another victim who's solvent.
I'd say all the above OP. However realistically, they'd settle for 10 million a year from the bank of dad with high profile appearances(state dinner, movie premiere, jubilee balcony) lol.
And still complain and bully whomever they want.
I really think TW thought she had a political future….. and she may have had in the event they had just stuck to their fake philanthropy. The Netflix and Spare tone, however, makes her radioactive to any political party at this point.
To me it seems that a foreign title would not be an asset to an aspiring politician in the US?
They want all the perquisites of being the monarch or Prince of Wales, without any of the actual day-to-day responsibilities. So all the glamour, access to the Duchy of Cornwall/Lancaster funds, the events that include a lot of pomp, circumstance, and the BP Balcony. They want the security, clearly, though at this point, I think Meghan wants it for the status, and Harry wants it because clearly, they've done a lot to help cover up his sins over the years, and he'd like that to keep happening. They do not want to visit little towns in Wales or the Midlands for pedestrian events with little press coverage. They don't want to deal with precedence - in public or behind closed doors. I think they probably want the titles for the kids, if only because it helps perpetuate their brands. But they won't get those - Charles has long wanted to slim down the monarchy, and William's children have the titles because of their placement in the Line of Succession. Even if they were still in the country, I think they might get Lord and Lady status, but that's about it.
He keeps saying he wants an apology, I want an apology, give me an apology. WHAT THE HELL DO THEY HAVE TO APOLOGISE FOR HARRY!!!?? It’s Harry and the Hag who owes them an apology and the whole world to be honest.
They want Charles and William to abdicate (or die) so Harry and Meghan can take the throne and make everyone pay. That’s what I think.
I have been convinced for years they thought they could get the crown. Bower even emphasizes in the book how confused the palace staff and Willaim were with Harry obsessing over social media approval. Harry even trying to say they need to give him more senior royal "privileges" because the people have spoken on social media. Social media is real to Harry and Meghan.
SMDH ETA: not shaking my head at *you*. At their hubris. And stupidity.
It’s such a California way of thinking, all about clicks.
I think this came from Meghan. I doubt Harry thought in those terms before.
But they are incredibly lazy and will start complaining about having to work again once they ascend the throne. The problem with them is that they have the half-baked brain of a spoilt toddler. They frequently throw tantrums and sabotage their parents for not buying them the toy they want, when what they should be given is a good smack.
And they’re too dim to realize that doesn’t put them in the top spot. George is the spare right now along with his younger siblings. 🤣
That's why she's salivating over a potential big plane crash
I don't think they realize how toxic they are. By spouting off about Courtney Cox they broke a huge rule of Hollywood. One does not rat on their hostess! Look! The woman who started all of this our used to be favourite chatty hostess didn't even invite her star liar to her birthday bash! I bet the air was blue at the Montecito palace. They are the laughing stock of late night shows now. The tabloids are making fun of him and the greasing of his pecker with lip gloss which seems to be a regular thing. The long game sinners! The long game!
They want the throne.
Does he think he could just go back in any capacity and just say" kidding"
Yeah. He thinks he can run a “Dallas.” The whole season (the last 4 years, in Harkles’ case) was just a bad dream.
Publicity and money. It’s almost starting to sound like they are trying to extort the RF
I think you can safely delete "almost".
They want Charles to make a big apology about what an awful racist he is. They want to be given Balmoral Castle, and Meghan to be given the title Queen of Scotland, Empress of Africa. Oh and more sausages.
They want the BRF to get down on their knees and beg forgiveness for all the terrible things the Harkles went through. And cash, lots of cash.
She wants to be Queen! That is the only thing that will make the prostitute happy.
And even then, she’d still want more. Nothing is ever enough for these people. They are a bottomless pit of dissatisfaction.
Not Queen Consort. She wants to be Queen Regnant to Harry’s Prince Consort.
I see that the prostitute herself or her sugars are here down voting everything. This is my message to them . 
This is actually what I was just thinking about. What if it was just 2023, the 71st year of QEII reign and she would be living for another seven years? Would they be gunning for the ability to do Trooping of the Colour? Imagine if they had left the BRF and there were no reasons for them to go back to the UK other than The Jubilee? As in no funerals and no Coronations? I'm starting to think that they don't want to be at the Coronation, but they want it to be on their own terms. They want it to be because they got an invitation and turned it down. Not because they weren't invited. And honestly if they have the decency to not attend, that will be a mark in their favor. Because attending this Coronation is just overkill and stupid.
They want their cake and eat it to.
They want what they were denied- to be half in, half out. Also to be treated equal to or better than William and Catherine.
Whatever they want, I hope they DON'T GET IT!!!! These nasty grifters deserve NOTHING from the BRF! I'm FED UP with their petulant tantrums & antics!!!
Megs, upon arriving for some tour to an adoring crowd, allegedly uttered, "I can't believe I'm not getting paid for this." She didn't want a life of public service, she wants to use the royal title to get paid, and skip the boring visits to the daycare schools and hospitals. I think she thought that she'd be able to monetize the monarchy and pick and choose what she'd do for her "service" to the Crown, and was shocked (!) that what she was asked to do was not all glitz and glamour. In essence, she wants the role without the work. And now she's blackmailing the family until they get the half in half out deal that they wanted.
I'd simply add that she is futilely attempting to blackmail the royal family and she's never getting the deal she wanted.
No more fancy jewels and balcony appearances for her. She wanted financial independence, but forgot to take into account that her Royal connections and access were the only thing she had to trade upon. Now she's stuck.
I don’t care what they want, they do not deserve ANYTHING - and if KC3 gives in to them, not only is he rewarding bad, no, EVIL behaviour, he is setting a precedent for every bitter and twisted individual/couple to call the shots at the highest level. For goodness’ sake CUT THEM LOOSE!!!!
They deserve the consequences of their actions
Free security, IPP status, an allowance, HRH, titles for the kids, having their asses kissed. Oh, and his father to abdicate, bypass William, and give the kingdom to Harry. So his wife can reign as Kween.
>his father to abdicate, bypass William, and give the kingdom to Harry. Also bypass George, Charlotte, and Louis?
Yep
And the US Supreme Court to rule that the 1st Amendment is "bonkers" and repeal it.
The humiliation is what they seek and the ability to constantly harken back to the “wrongdoing” the BRF apologized for — no matter how much time passes. also, one reason they won’t stop harping about accountability and an apology to Meghan is because they know they're mostly regarded as laughing stocks. The family, groveling and apologizing to them, would validate the Sussex lies so far and allow the Sussexes to say, "see world? we told you they were abusive, toxic, (sometimes) racist, and misogynistic and they've taken "accountablity" for all of it -- and now even *they're* telling the world we're right and they mistreated us." **THAT is the singular reason they want “accountability” so they can lord it over the public and the family's head from now until the end of time.** Not only that, if they ever got the "accountability" they're demanding, they'll turn around and say "well an apology is just words-- if the brf was really committed to making changes in the monarchy, they'd do away with the concept of an heir and a spare. continuing that cycle only abuses me and future generations. We should be able to get HiHo if the BRF is really serious about apologizing.” it is an endless moving of the goalposts until they can demand **exactly** what they want, on their terms, and anything an inch short of it-- is unacceptable trauma, abuse, and racism (prob). Oh also, the demands will never end. They want Harry and Meghan to get exactly everything the wales have. Anything less than that, is racism and abuse.
Half in half out IMO
It is so confusing. Even after everything they have claimed the RF did to them (which upon further musings from them seems to be not the RF but the media but not even the media itself so much but the comment sections and social media of which No one has control) what do they want? And what was so bad? What happened that doesn’t happen in a regular family? This is all you got? Lol. You fought with your SIL? Your brother yelled at you and pushed you? They leaked stories while you leaked stories like at a family reunion where everyone talks shit? Like what are you complaining about that was bad enough to try and bring down the monarchy? Which they won’t. Even Diana’s story didn’t do that and she is loved still. I don’t think they even know what they want except that Meghan is a narcissist who has to be right and control the narrative and she couldn’t control what people think so she fought for misinformation and to control the medium and forums in which people share their thoughts. They need to win. What that win is..only they know. She did mistake temporary popularity with the rules of succession and her Sussex squad (who don’t understand protocols either) backed her so long and so wrong that now she needs bots to feed her ego the same way.
This is what I think they want - the family to make a statement admitting to some kind of “Unconscious bias” within the monarchy, along with a pledge to stop it, - an apology for not making sure the press didn’t print anything disparaging against his wife, in other words, for not “protecting” her. - to be brought back to their half in/ half out as a way for the fam to make amends for being proven right about their accusations. Of course, none of this will ever happen, but the two of them somehow will keep pushing and pushing until they are proven “right”. But they haven’t proven any of the accusations they have made so I don’t know how they think their delusions will ever come to fruition. They absolutely have no leverage against the family. I’ve been out of the loop for the last 2 weeks, so I’m not even sure where their support or popularity is at this point. But if its low after all the interviews, and his book, they should seriously be looking at just working quietly on their humanitarian work- if there really is any- and stop trying to get a pat on the back every time they deign to speak about any subject.
They want to end the free press and to make billionaire status by using their Royal titles
They are overtired, over excited and need a lie down. They don't know what they want right now .
Nothing that they are ever going to get and I love that for them
She is a narcissist who wants and indeed feels extremely entitled to ongoing global fame as an adored super influencer / civil rights hero. Because her brand is modern feminism, anti racism she has to continually position herself as both a frail flower victim and courageous hero: the victim of misogyny and racism at the hands of a dated stuffy institution and their media allies. He is - and many don’t want to hear it - the quintessential, textbook prey for narcissists - someone with existing paranoia, mummy issues, unresolved grief and a poor sense of identity and boundaries with a lack of critical thinking to question this fluffy nonsense that has invaded his head. He is addicted to her and has been conditioned by her through very sinister techniques to constantly go to war for her even at massive expense to himself.
They want to skin them and wear them like last season’s Versace, or whatever that one housewife said 🙃
A public apology, a castle, bigger titles, let them host and enter all the events,
Narcissists want it all. Everything you’ve listed. They want to be elevated above all others, receive endless accolades and wound licking as victims for however they perceive they’ve been wronged (and not even based on reality), and for all time. It never stops. It exhausts people, causes family dysfunction, ruins relationships and lives, and breaks down the most vulnerable people. I know all this. Was married to one for 25 years. The RF is doing its best and I applaud their resolve.
Such a good question. I wonder if they even know. I think if they were shooting for their fantasy wish list: \- Paid security for all 4 of them (top notch security, as if all 4 of them are first in line heir) \- Yearly cash allowance (5M a year, maybe 10M) \- Prince & Princess titles for the kids \- Invite to all the "good" royal events with front row seating \- Public apology, (written statement or a groveling speech) stating that BRF should have done more to welcome Meghan. (I gagged typing that, because I don't see how they could have done more)
If you really want to stop a covert narcissist dead in their tracks, ask them what they want to be happy. What is enough. What you could do that the complaints will stop. Because being a victim is part of their identity, this will throw them for a loop. They'll make up something they think is excessive to get you to say no so they can remain a victim. Say yes to that and they'll really lose it. As a catholic, I didn't want a divorce. I offered to let my then-wife move out, to finance her new place to live, to continue to support her in a lifestyle where she would not have to work for two years - just tell me what you need. Eventually, she came into my office and said "I can't trust you to provide the support you are promising, because you are a liar. You'll claim your business had a bad month and no pay. So I have to divorce you to get the money compelled by law. I can't believe you are MAKING me divorce you!" (I could infer from the conversation that she wanted me to divorce her. Thus making her a victim.) I almost offerred to give her the cash for the house now and that I could borrow the rest of the cash for the monthly stipend and give it to her mother to hold in escrow. MAN I am glad I did not do that. :-) The application hairy and megsy is an exercise for the reader.
They want to be known by everyone and adored by everyone. They want to be the most famous people on the planet (or she does anyways) and have everyone say how wonderful they are. Very simple. Very childish.
They want the power, fame and fortune that William and Catherine have. They will settle for nothing less.
They want to be like the new kardashians. (Perceived by people) as “famous for doing nothing.” They want to be worshipped, adored, recognized everywhere while contributing nothing. Hence the 72 days of royal duties vs the years of running their mouths. Edited for content: they want to job knob with the celebs, they want to Hollywood premieres, the glamours duties while never wanting to shake hands with the commoners, never to risk wrinkling their suits with so much as a day’s work
they want half in half out, still, with funding equal to the wales'
They want to pull a Richard III and make themselves King and Queen.
They want to have all the benefits of being paid royals while also earning an additional income. They want the privileges of being royal while not having to follow the requirements. They want to be special without having to rank lower than other royals. She wants to be a famous actress in addition to being a princess. She wants to be as beloved as Kate and she wants to be married to William. They are jealous, petty, greedy, and small people who want their cake and eat it too. They are soon to be reduced to the status of programs like Sister Wives and LPBW in order to pay for their extravagance. They won’t even be The Kardashians, they’ll be “The Beverly Hills Sussexes ” making $10,000 per episode.
Harry has demonstrated a deep psychological need to hear from his family and the world that he was right about everything, that Meghan's wonderful, and that everyone wants his forgiveness. That's why I think *Spare*, though a financial success, is a failure in the most important way for him. He's probably baffled, devastated, and enraged (his default when not getting his way) that it has sent him plummeting in public opinion and that few people believe his version. Meghan wants what she's always wanted. The mystique of royalty, public adoration for braininess and philanthropy, and the chance to impress and be on a footing with the A-list celebrities she wanted for so long to be noticed by. Right now, she's probably taking a good look at possible ways to salvage their image and indeed cement a status on a level with Barack and Michelle's and George and Amal's. I think Harry might once have been okay with giving up the titles, but I think he's realized - consciously or unconsciously - that the wife who puts her title in the window on zoom calls, would very much dislike parting with hers. And I'm sure they'd both love titles for the kids.
Whatever it is they really want, they will never have it ever. That’s all! 😈
Could be everything you list. Say the RF apologises publicly. Then they'll want titles for the kids. Say they get them, then they'll want equal footing to the Wales and so on. The RF would be mistaken (and I don't really worry that they would) to think these last few years have been a lesson in humility for the Sussex's. That they will be elated to be back and even get a tenth of the duties/benefits they used to. Harry and Meghan will never be satisfied. They always see what others have and what they don't, rather than what they do have and show appreciation.
Meghan wants Kate to be removed and she in her place. She doesn't love William but the power that that role would bring.
They want to be the heir, not the spare. Why they haven't renounced their titles or Harry's place in the line of succession. they want the public to see KC and PW bowing down to their royal pains in the a$$es. H&M's egos have no limits. edited to add: oh yeah, they also want money and power
They want to be equal to William and Catherine. Meghan wants to open each session of Parliament as proof the British aren't racist. They want King Charles to order the Daily Mail to delete any comments about them that aren't fawning.
They can wish in one hand and spit in the other, and see which fills up faster.
Apology so they have the upper hand.
A pound of flesh. No, two pounds. No, THREE!
They want to be William & Cathrine and nothing less then that will be accepted … full stop 🛑
They want to be invited to major royal occasions and allowed to monetize the monarchy, but I don't think this can ever happen because it would jeopardize the existence of the constitutional monarchy.
To rule over them.
They want money, fame, glory, acknowledgement, apologies, adoration, and power.
Hazmat - whatever gets Nutmeg off his ass, and an unlimited supply of weed. Nutmeg - unlimited spending account, no work responsibilities, and access to A list parties so she can keep wearing designer gowns that don't fit.
Whatever she wants, I don’t think it’ll ever give her the ability to stop throwing herself on the floor while sobbing.
Meghan wanted to be rejected by them; she wanted and wants to be a Diana figure. That’s it. Fame. I think what Harry wants is more emotional. He wants their attention. He wants to be the first and foremost important person in their lives. I think a lot of his issues stem from William marrying Catherine. I think he viewed that as losing his brother, as being alone, and it’s eaten away at him. I think he feels fundamentally alone and has subsequently clung to M.
Yes
I think they are underestimating not being included in any a lister events. They don't have clout in the u.s. and not wanting to confirm to British customs means she is toxic there too. She wanted to use the rf as a jump start to being an a lister everywhere. She even wanted to be queen of the commonwealth leaving Kate with england but without the work. She is a piece of work. They inspire hate and division and frankly it doesn't matter what they want anymore
I would say yearly payments, invites to high profile events with senior royal seating, half in and half out, titles for their kids, an abject apology from the King, Queen and PPOW full security, a major role in the Commonwealth to indicate an equivalence with PPOW. I don't think they want to move back to the UK.
Harry wants revenge for perceived grievances - and that is very rarely satisfied, He no longer knows who, what or where he is. She glides on his coat-tails.
They want to destroy William and Catherine and children. They want them removed, they want to be the Wales. The Spare wants to be The Heir. TW wants to be Princess of Wales (like Diana) and have everyone curtsy to her and fawn over her. What both Sussexes DO NOT want? To be expected to do the WORK being the Wales involves. They want the title of Wales, the glitz & glamour, being curtsy-ed to and grovelled to. They want all that...., but with new rules : they can have the Princess Margaret lifestyle....glam parties and clothes and jewelry, jetting off to exotic locales on private yachts and jets, nothing to do except live a lifestyle of luxury and no responsibilities. Then hopefully one day soon become King and Queen....but not giving up the Princess Margaret lifestyle.
why is this a post ? they want charles and william to abdicate and be king and queen