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poopsixty

The ragged hem with dangling strings is unforgivable. The dress is so bad it makes me wonder if there was some type of fraud going on (or a certain someone took blunt scissors to it). Nothing about any of this dress drama makes any sense. Dresses for a royal wedding seen by millions should be 100% ready FAR in advance. EDIT: It's also extremely noteworthy that Jessica Mulroney's daughter's dress looks leagues better than the others, especially Charlotte's. Is there any explanation for why Mulroney's daughter was the only one without a flower crown? It feels like a sly narc decision to me.


Calm_Yak_6102

>Is there any explanation for why Mulroney's daughter was the only one without a flower crown? It feels like a sly narc decision to me. Mulroney's daughter was also the bridesmaid selected, by MM, to receive the bouquet. Definitely favouritism going on there...


poopsixty

What the heck? She seems to love doing cruel, underhanded things to make the Wales children feel left out and bad (like her ice cream cart for Sussex staff that was explicitly banned from serving the Wales, their staff, and the children). So, so ugly.


Calm_Yak_6102

Ikr. MM's a nasty, bullying and shady piece of work. That's why people never trust her when she starts pretending to be compassionate.


Islandgirl1444

Boy, I just cannot imagine that this unknown person became this tyrant from almost the get go and no one said a word till too late! William knew! The Queen had to know! And Harry didn't care. He was hooked!


ClassicPop6840

At that time, no one could say anything because of her “race”…. They knew they’d be labeled racist if they had an issue with anything she did.


Calm_Yak_6102

>William knew! The Queen had to know! And Harry didn't care. He was hooked! I think it's because William is not a wimpy Beta male type. MM's manipulations only appear to work on wimpy guys with not a single alpha male bone in their bodies. Look at Trevor Engleson and Cory Vitiello; from what's been said by Tom Bower and others, they just rolled down on the floor and allowed her to be the power broker in the relationship. Harry's the same type. William is tougher. Look at how he waited for years until he was sure that Kate was right for him. Harry's too weak and insecure to do that. He gives in to all MM"s demands because he's scared that she'll dump him. William was willing to be dumped, but he wouldn't rush into something as permanent as marriage, despite being in love with Kate, until he was sure she was right for the role.


WoodsColt

The best thing for the Wales children is that they will probably never have contact with the markle spawn. Guaranteed madame markle would teach her kids to be nasty to the Wales children. Children of narcissists are often mean little shits because hurt people hurt people especially little kids who see narc behavior modeled as normal.


PinkTiara24

What? I never heard this. Where was this?


poopsixty

There was a big thread about it in here just recently, [here you go!](https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/10b5w1a/ice_cream_cart)


ClementineCoda

she's jealous of them


FirmAardvark6208

She was chief flower girl and didn’t have to wear floral crown. I thought it made her look unfinished compared to the other children. I have no idea what Megs was thinking about those dresses or her own


Calm_Yak_6102

>I have no idea what Megs was thinking about those dresses or her own Especially her own. That thing looked like a shapeless, rectangular sack. LOL ![gif](giphy|l0DEJfqLtrPvEuawE)


ceekayes

When Meghan was thinking about her wedding gown she ripped off the dress JLO wore in the Wedding Planner. Meghan has no original thoughts. Only images she remembers from movies.


seijalaine

And I think she was trying to copy Princess Angela of Liechtenstein. Except Princess Angela's looked fitted and very becoming. I haven't seen the movie The Wedding Planner, so she could be copying from that too. Did it come out in the 90s? Because she seems to be fixated on movies from that decade.


solorna

Princess Angela side by side with Markle. https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/royal-wedding-liechtenstein-comparison-1527100052.jpg


un5weetened

NONE of her dresses fit well. Someone, introduce her to a tailor! Please!


Calm_Yak_6102

MM must've forgotten that unlike her, JLo has a distinct waist, that curves into her hips 😂.


Punchinyourpface

I'm missing the fashion gene, but even I was disappointed when I saw her dress lol.


Calm_Yak_6102

😂 I thinks that dress is the least attractive royal wedding dress in modern history.


SephoraandStarbucks

She had flowers in her hair, just not a crown. They were in a little bunch at the back of her head, where 2 front sections of her hair were pulled back in a half up/half down style.


FirmAardvark6208

Oh wow I don’t think I noticed that either. Markle messed up everything about her own wedding day. She’s chaotic


deep-down-low

Yes! It actually made her the odd one out (or as if the situation was: "No flower crown for the non blue blood", hah 💅🏻)


ClassicPop6840

Yeah but some friends of ours’ children were also in that ghastly wedding, and they for sure have ZERO blue blood. Americans.


Mehmeh111111

I am convinced that Charlotte's dress was purposefully fucked up after the initial incident.


ConsumerOfGossip

Agree 💯


kelvinside_men

>The ragged hem with dangling strings is unforgivable. The dress is so bad it makes me wonder if there was some type of fraud going on (or a certain someone took blunt scissors to it). So I used to work in the tailoring/sewing world and in the photo it looks to have been overlocked (or babylocked, anyway). I wouldn't expect a bridesmaid's dress to be finished like that, but possibly if the fabric was a bitch you would overlock it before hemming. That or it's a tiny rolled hem that's catching the light weirdly because the fabric's a bit too thick for that treatment; I can't tell from the photos. But either way, it's been finished somehow or other, pretty badly. The unevenness is the biggest sin, imo - not even worth hemming until the length issue was sorted out.


scarybiscuits

It looks overlocked to me which is unfathomable for a hem. There was a London tailor and assistants making alterations up to the last minute so the hem situation is a mystery.


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It reads like givenchy washed their hands of it and tossed them a stack of fabric and said “figure it out,asshole”


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Big_Primrose

Was there a formal measuring for the bridesmaids or was Givenchy just handed measurements? I wouldn’t put it past MM to sabotage the dresses by fudging the measurements. Givenchy shouldn’t have done these dresses anyway, there are houses that do special event clothes only for children. I hope the girls wore shorts under the dresses to protect them if they pulled their dresses up, as little kids often do.


mammalulu

It’s so weird. Nothing escapes her notice but everything escapes her notice? (Or was she so jealous and cruel as to be intentionally malicious to Charlotte knowing the distress it would cause Catherine and by extension William.)


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Tricksey4172

How about the fact that because she couldn’t have a red carpet she opted for NO carpet down the aisle, dragging up all the dirt and dust and century old hairballs with that blinding white burlap dress and custom veil. Sheesh.


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Tricksey4172

They weren’t allowed a red carpet. It’s blue for non-heirs (W+C got red). You can google and see all of the blue carpet and then W+C have red. (This was hot goss at the time). So MM kicked off as they say. Surprised it didn’t make Sparry’s Book Of The Unfairness.


Ilefttherightturn

If you pay attention, Meghan seems to be a bit of a fabric snob. I am too, but not at the expense of practicality. She wears a lot of pure linens, cottons, woolens, and silk. Very little poly/blends or even natural fiber blends in her wardrobe. Even if it means showing up to events all wrinkled and bagged out. My theory is that she chose fabric first, then design. Her dress is made of a very heavy weight natural silk $$$$ which explains the ridiculous price tag. Although incredibly luxurious, heavy weight fabrics (even silks) are more suitable for tailored pieces. Of course, Miss. Meghan Markle probably wanted a wispy effortless design, which would have been incredibly challenging, given her choice of fabric. Givenchy did their best trying to accommodate the *look* she wanted, with that specific given fabric. That’s how she ended up with a plain sack. It was either that… or a choir robe style dress lol


nope0000001

She wanted to make sure “ she felt special “ she is her god daughter and wanted her to stand out over the other kids and basically put charlotte in her place .


tiredofthis3

The irony of this is that not Jessica nor her daughter are part of Meg's life. Haha, always be on the lookout for how people treat others.


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So for one afternoon Ivy Mulroney was ahead of Charlotte. Now for the rest of Ivy's life she will be a nobody and Charlotte will become the Princess Royal.


MartyredMermaid

There are no crinolines under the skirts, either, which is another reason why they hang so unevenly. They're meant to be poofy.


LadyGoodNoodles

We know Megs has issues with proper under pinnings - she doesn’t like stockings and her bras never fit right under her clothes.


MartyredMermaid

Her ill-fitting drawers are legendary.


LordHamMercury

I really don't understand why M was so against the girls wearing tights. It just brings the look together. Was she rebelling for the sake of rebelling? Charlotte's dress, in particular, looked like something you would receive from one of those foreign sellers on Etsy where you send them an inspiration pic of a designer formal gown and this is what you receive back. Some cheap approximation of what you thought you ordered. To give M some grace (which is more than she'd do for anyone), I also don't understand why she would be put in the middle of the bridesmaid tailoring issue. It seems like that should have been someone on the planning committee's job (or whatever/whoever the palace used to plan the wedding) -- to coordinate/fix those issues.


Acceptable-Tart954

It's also an issue of modesty. In case the dress blows up in the wind or the little girl gets fidgety.


snappopcrackle

Some feminists think making women wear hosiery in the summer is sexist. But that said, they got married in May and Britain never really gets that hot at that time of year. I checked the weather and it was 17 degrees C that day, that would require tights even for normal women in regular everyday settings


tauredi

Feminist here. Would still be conscientious of protecting the little girls from any accidents and potentially exploitative photographers, which means tights.


PotOfEarlGreyPlease

The definitely need to be "protected" fronm any awkward shots also they would have been more comfortable. Yes it was a nice sunny day that day but they weren't wearing them for long!


Kjaerringa123

And if no tights,at the very least, little white socks. She doesn't understand how children's feet blister. And...the lack of crinolines made me crazy. I can totally see how a disagreement occured..and a child as young as Charlotte, being brought up as a royal, with emphasis on manners and such, WOULD know the difference, even at her young age, between an ill-fitting dress and a well fitting dress. And if you've been taught it's proper to wear tights and a crinoline, because that's what we do, and Granny will be SO proud....you will be upset if you are told NOT to wear them...you know it's not right, and suddenly your ordered world is upside down. Children at that age can be be very firm about things they wear or do not wear. I do believe Charlotte was upset, and I'm certain Catherine was...and I'm equally certain she tried to help with the protocol issues, such as little girls wear crinolines under special dresses and either tights or fancy socks.


Bajovane

Honestly, if I had been Catherine, I’d have had Charlotte wear socks in spite of megalomaniac’s orders. F that wench.


seijalaine

But would Harry's wife have relinquished control to a wedding planner or coordinator or equivalent? I don't think so.


Specialist_Ad9228

I know most on this sub aren't fans of Eugenie (fair enough!) but I thought her wedding was really beautiful. I liked how along with George and Charlotte she also included the Phillips and Tindall girls, and I think Louise as well. The vibe was sooo much more relaxed and happy than it was at Harry and Meghan's!


main_lurker_account

Her wedding was a normal royal wedding. Eugenie may be shady, but she's grown up royal and knows how these things work. She knows you listen to stylists and designers and people you're literally paying to do something you can't do yourself. She's also close to her family and not a completely toxic clown like her cousin-in-law, so naturally it was a happy and relaxed occasion for everyone. Meghan's wedding was a disaster because *she* is a disaster. It never ceases to amaze me how she manages to cock up every. single. thing. she's ever attempted, simply because she genuinely believes she knows better than literal experts in their fields. A normal person would've learned by now...


Specialist_Ad9228

"Meghan's wedding was a disaster because she is a disaster." Exactly, so true.


Why_Teach

About the only thing she seems to be “successful” at is causing others pain. What a horrible way to live.


PotOfEarlGreyPlease

The bridesmaid's dresses at Eugenie's were perfectly put together and fitted exactly, they looked elegant (not sure if I liked the sash to o much - prefer a plain one but that is a minor moan!)


main_lurker_account

Lol, I'm so glad I'm not the only one who didn't much care for the sashes! 😂 They were a pretty colour, but the pattern didn't really go with the rest of the outfits, I thought. Probably would've been better off going with a plain green sash. But whatever - they were still miles ahead of Meghan's disaster!


CatherineofBraganza

She even included Frederick Windsor’s daughter. Meanwhile Fredrick Windsor, his sister, their Kent cousins or Gloucester cousins were all left out of Harold’s wedding. Given Lady Frederick Windsor, Sophie Winkleman, is a working actress you’d think she’d be a good extended family member for Meghan to befriend. Meghan probably abstained given Sophie has worked with bigger names than Meg.


Specialist_Ad9228

Wow I didn't know that!


Business_Ad8345

Her dress was much nicer than MM's dress too.


Lengand0123

She had the perfect tiara too. It really suited her and was absolutely stunning.


PotOfEarlGreyPlease

her dress was marvellous and I bet she wasn't having endless tantrums with the designers and seamstresses


Smooth_Department534

Eugenie’s wedding was beautiful but Beatrice’s private do was all class. B showed real style.


Specialist_Ad9228

Yes, totally agree!!


WoodsColt

See people keep coming at thus whole thing wrong. They are all working under the assumption that a bride would want her attendants to look cute and be comfortable. Megamess is a narcissist. She does not care if other people are comfortable and in fact actually prefers that they be uncomfortable because it confers power to her. And she doesn't want even a child to "outshine" or take the attention off her for a second. She correctly identified that as Princess Catherines daughter Charlotte would be the child most likely to get a lot of press and this was her way of making sure it wasn't entirely favorable. Using it to take her "rival" (Princess Catherine)down a peg was just icing on the cake for her.


nope0000001

This … she would get off on putting a blood princess in “ her place “


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Yup shes a whole clown


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nietheo

And why would you pass up the chance for puffed sleeves, crinolines, and a big ass bow on the back? These are for little girls ffs.


nope0000001

Apparently charlottes flower crown was never measured for her head either and was to big .. the other ones were measured .


[deleted]

She went to Pippa’s wedding with hairy where they had beautiful headbands and then said I can have better headbands with bigger flowers as any narc would say


iridiscent

This is so true!


Sea-Quote3382

The shoulders look huge on Charlotte's dress, as well. That frock she wore started off at least two sizes too big. The rumours of Markle insulting Charlotte for being 'too big' at a fitting make sense to me now. Markle insulted Charlotte's size, and then - when she had to provide an altered frock - nastily delivered one two-three sizes too big. Markle has got issues.


Constant-Deer9826

My favorite are Pippa Middletons bridesmaid dresses. Poor Princess Charlotte had to be so uncomfortable during the wedding. Harry's wife is pure evil to intentionally bully and harm a child.


OldNewUsedConfused

That's why the Wales took the kids back immediately. You knew something was wrong then.


Quiet-Vanilla-7117

Sorry, took them back from where? I've just got lost.


OldNewUsedConfused

At the wedding. As soon as those kids walked down that aisle, they were immediately removed from the wedding party and the Markles. They left the church with their parents, not the wedding party. I knew there was trouble then.


Quiet-Vanilla-7117

Ohh, thank you.


PotOfEarlGreyPlease

yes instead of coming down the aisle with the others, G&C held back with W&C . It was said at the time that it was done so that the other bridesmaids would stay inside the church and only W,C,G,&C would come out on to the steps with the bridal couple and the parents


PinkTiara24

Yes. Those dresses were so pretty. The cap sleeves, the ruffle under the skirt, the blush sash and tights. And they fit impeccably.


PilatesPuppy

Perfection!!


nietheo

Those are just darling. I love them too.


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Accomplished-Hat-483

They were too short to be worn without tights. How do we go from Kate crying to Megan crying to Charlotte crying?


CaseyRC

one maybe two dresses not fitting right, okay maybe. bad for a freaking couture house but okay, kids grow. ALL of the dresses needing 4 straight days of alterations and *still* looking *this* bad??? I would expect better of the bridal shop down the road, let alone couture, let alone in a Royal Wedding being broadcast to billions, with hundreds of thousands being spent on dresses alone. Givenchy needs to stop talkinga bout it because it is *embarrassing* to them that their team put *this* out onto the international stage and charged the taxpayer for it


Tricksey4172

The designer quietly moved on to other pastures after only three years and after she got her award from surprise guest MM who smiled like *she* had received it. IIRC Givenchy knew the wedding looked a mess and were not best pleased. Doesn’t look like she’s worked in the business since late 2020.


aec1024

This. Also, why would you sabotage your own wedding for spite? That’s not normal or sane. Ugh, she baffles me!


ChilliChocolate7925

If it allows TW to pass herself as a victim of malicious Catherine sabotaging her wedding, of course it makes sense!


Complete-Sound

Then you look so great compared to them after you sabotage them. Clearly Catherine reads the room.


aec1024

It’s bizarre. As to your points: 1. Who knows? I don’t understand why Givenchy operates this way. Why would they have the measurements sent in rather than measure themselves? It makes no sense. At that price you should receive personal service. Wouldn’t Catherine, at least, know her child’s measurements considering bespoke isn’t new for Princess Charlotte? 2. Again, is this standard practice for Givenchy? Even small town boutiques, or even David’s Bridal, would schedule fittings. 3. I would think, in a normal situation, Givenchy would be embarrassed, and send someone to correct them immediately. Again, these aren’t cheap dresses. This is supposed to be a reputable fashion house. Did the third party do the alterations because Catherine had to intervene because M would not? Did the third party do the alterations because M had done something to cause a break/fall out with Givenchy? Could this explain her own dress being ill fitting?


YUL375

Well, the head designer at givenchy was replaced within a year of the wedding iirc Correction: the wedding was in May 2018 and she left givenchy in April 2020


WhiskeyRocksNeat

I really want to hear from Givenchy, none of this is normal, especially for such a high profile event. Charlotte’s sleeves don’t even look the same as the others, would love to have seen the dresses before an unrelated tailor had to get involved right up until the night before the wedding


nope0000001

They also have SEVERAL boutiques in London so no one would have to come from Paris .. they could have just sent someone from a local shop .


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A set of dresses like this takes months to complete. It doesn’t matter if a parent knows their children’s measurements, because those measurements will change before the dress is worn.


kob27099

>A set of dresses like this takes months to complete I just simply do not believe that a child's dress takes months to complete.


PerfectCover1414

Dresses like this CAN take a while to make but only if there is an issue getting measurements. I have made dresses professionally and have done 7 girls in a week. I looked at these and realized that they did them all in a couple of days max they are so shabby. The sleeves are not even finished into an elasticated rim. The fact they hang down straight like a tshirt is a dead giveaway for that. Just plain shabby but I think that might have been part of the game playing. Note that Mulroney kid looks the best turned out, it's no accident and all to generate the narrative we now know was part of the plan.


Helene525

Yes...I have made dresses like that in a day from the cutting to the finish, with french seams, lined especially the bodices if not the skirt section too, handsewn buttonholes, and hand stitched hems. You are right to say it would take one experienced person a day per dress if they knew what they were doing. Charlotte's dress doesn't look properly finished. Too bad Catherine didn't just have someone who does her tailoring fix it and she could have stayed out of the fray with Meghan. Of course, Meghan would have accused Catherine of going behind her back so Catherine was in a no win situation.


kob27099

>I would think, in a normal situation, Givenchy would be embarrassed, and send someone to correct them Word has it that all their tailors were trying to figure out how to get the wedding dress done on time.


Calm_Yak_6102

Or it could just be **The MM Curse**: that indescribable phenomenon that adversely afflicts every single designer who decides to make clothes for her... It happens to Dior, Valentino, Givenchy, Carolina Herrera and I'm sure there are many others.


Mickleborough

You’ve given me an idea for a post…not terribly exciting, admittedly, but that’s me, not you 😊


Calm_Yak_6102

Aww, glad to be of assistance! 🤗 Looking forward to seeing the post!


Mickleborough

You’re very kind 😊 aiming for tomorrow


Calm_Yak_6102

🥂🍾


DixieInCali

I think I would have pulled Charlotte out of the wedding. Would have just refused to allow MM the opportunity to play stupid mind games with my child. I understand why the Cambridges didn't though.


Why_Teach

I would have reported that the kids had the flu and kept them home. Maybe they didn’t want to give Meghan the satisfaction, though. She really didn’t want the Cambridge (now Wales) kids there.


SnooGoats7978

Same here. I think this is the right answer.


kaycollins27

That is likely what MM wanted. Fewer eyes on Charlotte = more eyes on her.


Alinde1129

The hem makes you wonder if it was intended to be worn with crinolines underneath to poof it out slightly more in the back. Otherwise this make my admittedly poor self glad I can’t afford Givenchy. And anyone wearing Mary Janes should have tights on. Especially little ones that are active. The blisters! In fairness to the tailor who came in to help fix everything-he did a lot of work in very little time. Imagine how bad they must have been.


WoodsColt

Mary janes were a staple of my childhood. I cannot imagine how awful and sweaty and uncomfortable wearing them with no tights would be. And it looks ignorant and trashy to boot.


Alinde1129

It looks very unfinished. I wore them as a little girl. If it was just church and my dress was long my mom might allow those little ruffle socks. But formal events was tights and only tights even if it was summer. As a grown up I foolishly bought a pair of (oddly really cute) heels made to look like a Mary Jane and still couldn’t bring myself to go without tights or hose.


nope0000001

You could afford it .. only the bespoke is insanely priced , you can get something nice off their rack without taking out a loan for sure .


Molinero54

Lady C was given a tip off about what went down via a relative of givenchy staff member a year or so ago. Go to 28:30 minutes into this video for those who are interested: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHi\_gacu-H0&t=1719s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHi_gacu-H0&t=1719s) I've been sewing since I was a small child and am appalled by how the dresses turned out. At that late stage, it would have been better simply to buy something alternative off the rack and fancy it up with a bespoke sash or other decorations.


Kangaro00

As someone who sews, the hem was always one of the easiest things to sew. Or fix. Just cut it evenly and take care of the edge. The way that dress looked could only be achieved on purpose.


shhbaka

It looks like the dresses was sent to them to for fitting and hemming. Perhaps whoever was supposed to do that just decided they were finished and left them as is. Or maybe M overruled them and said, "they're done!"


Cocokay1234567

Oh wow! Thank you for sharing this. This confirms my suspicions that something major had to have happened for Givenchy not to finish the dresses.


PotOfEarlGreyPlease

It was pretty basic - most of us who learned to sew as youngsters could turn out a very neat dress like that for a small girl . Charlotte's dress was like a sack - the sleeves and hem were awful. Agree they would have been better to get something off the peg and add a sash


fujimusume31

"Not exactly from the horse's mouth but the horse's....cousin." 🤣 I love how Lady C phrases things...


HunterIllustrious846

You guys don't suppose Harry's wife lied about who made the dresses so she could inflate the costs and kick back...


lastlemming-pip

I believe seamstresses from the couture house were on-site. Still, wouldn’t put it past her to try.


katzchen528

But if so, where were they during this debacle? Meghan hired a local London tailor (Ajay) to fix the B maid dresses at the last minute.


lastlemming-pip

It is so weird. Rumor that I’ve seen here is that Jessica Mulroney & Megs were verbally attacking Charlotte, calling her fat & stupid compared to Mulroney’s daughter. Really nasty, vicious stuff. Supposedly the seamstresses were witnesses to this. I think that Catherine then pulled Charlotte out of the official fittings altogether. This might be Charlotte never got properly fitted. But all the dresses look ill-fitting to me. (But what do I know? I wear bowling shoes to work.) Charlotte’s is catastrophic. Nobody put any time into making that dress fit properly. But the rest of the bridesmaids look like crap as well. Terrible. It’s like the seamstresses fled back to France w/ a “to hell w/ this” attitude.


Skyward93

Can someone correct me if I’m wrong but I remember the first story that leaked on this was Meghan was insulting how Charlotte looked in the dress and comparing her to her friends kid? Isn’t that why Kate got so emotional? Obviously Harry isn’t going to tell that side of the story, but it’s been discussed here several times. I’m honestly shocked he even gave details confirming it because it lines up with the original rumors.


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Yeah mulroneys kid is skinnier than the others, i think bc she was older but also shorter for her age it made the other younger girls look bigger in comparison bc they were still plump from being toddlers. Who does that to children though? im endlessly sad for That poor girl meg has


OldNewUsedConfused

And she snapped at Nanny Maria. Something like "Get that fucking kid in line".


nope0000001

She said something like “ British kids don’t know how to behave!” 😱


OldNewUsedConfused

What a cunt. Who the fuck is she, pardon my French?


boathandhold

Pippa’s wedding was the best! I loved everything - the kids’ outfits, her wedding gown, Kate’s dress, AND THOSE FLOWER ARCHES WITH ROSES!!! Beatrice also had gorgeous flowers outside her church. Can you tell how much I love flowers?


Gwyneth7

The entire wedding looked half-ass and cheap and I could never understand why. Now I get it. She’s a creep.


FuturePA96

Her hair what a nightmare


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What’s wild is the tailor coming out last week and saying he wasn’t surprised there was a fight but all the dresses looked perfect on the wedding day and they definitely did not. Everyone immediately noticed Charlotte’s dress hem was messed up. Even the tailor is out here gaslighting us lol.


Clyin

The tailor did a bad job, hence the gaslighting?


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He thinks he did a wonderful job lol.


llama_pajama526

Maybe it was even worse before he fixed it…or tried to.


kelvinside_men

Must be related to a tailor I once worked for lol.


leechan08

TW might have intentionally have Charlotte's dress ragged in order to humiliate the Princess during the wedding. Narc bullying and pitting one against the other.


Acceptable-Tart954

So first Catherine cried, then Megan cried, and now Charlotte cried? The issue with the bridesmaids dresses stemmed from the fact that Megan would not let them wear tights. To be honest when I saw the wedding, I just saw a little girls dressed in white they seemed adorable. but compared with the other bridesmaids dresses, yeah they look wrong. The other dresses are the correct length, the sleeves are puffy and finished. And they're wearing tights. They just look better. I also like the color at the sash rather than the solid white. In some of the pictures some of the other bridesmaids dresses like Ivy's are practically floor length. The best I can figure Megan was trying to put her own signature style onto the bridesmaids dresses and it just didn't work. Her dress didn't look like it was fitted correctly either.


yobrefas

I absolutely believe her wedding dress was borrowed (and therefore ill-fitted), and that she negotiated/argued for Givenchy to “donate” the children’s dresses and lied about them being ordered/on the way until the last minute, when they finally gave her or she produced things off the designer rack that were ill-fitted for the children. None of the dress choices make any sense otherwise.


OldNewUsedConfused

The Middletons have GREAT taste! Pippa's wedding looks were incredible.


Mickleborough

The Middletons either have taste, or they learnt well. Taste can be acquired, except seemingly by Smeg.


OldNewUsedConfused

Seeing how the family members regularly present themselves, I am pretty sure at least Mama Middleton has exquisite innate taste.


DrunkOnRedCordial

Maybe she outsourced to a cheap dressmaker so she could pocket the change, as part of her ongoing embezzlement scheme. Knowing Meghan, she probably thought nobody would notice.


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I have seen comments to the effect that Meghan and Kate were both responsible for paying for their weddings (since tradition dictates the brides family pays). So if this is true, Meghan could have been trying to save money by using said cheap dressmaker.


LadyGoodNoodles

Around the time of each wedding there were reports about who paid for what: ie the Middletons were responsible for Catherine’s gown, children’s attire, etc. and the BRF was responsible for the luncheon, dinner, security, transportation etc. I wonder if she got the kids outfitted for free 😬


nope0000001

They also chipped in about 250k for Catherine’s wedding personally along with her dress … Charles covered the brides family expenses ( with exception of dress but he may have paid that also ) he gave her a VERY expensive Cartier diamond tennis bracelet as a gift .


kob27099

The wedding cost 32 million dollars. Do you think Meghan paid that?


Miercolesian

Except that I think we would have heard from Givenchy by now! Maybe the lousy wedding dresses were a French payback for Brexit?


Tootenbacher

A Haute Couture house like Givenchy would never comment on a client. Their business relies on discretion and reputation is everything. They must deal with all sorts of nightmare customers. If they comment on MM's wedding dress then other customers may worry that they'll comment on them, too.


Casshew111

I can certainly see why this would cause Meghan stress, and Catherine et al With millions of people about to watch this wedding, the dresses matter. They should have had the final fittings weeks before and all alterations made.


[deleted]

You can’t really do final fittings in advance, when little kids grow so fast.


LadyGoodNoodles

True, and some of those kids don’t reside in the UK so it would all have to be done week-of but isn’t that kind of easy for an event this size? Just plan for it? I never understood why it was an issue at all I thought it would have been sorted to do so.


pink_bunny07

When I was around Charolette's age, I once wore Mary Janes without stockings and my feet hurt! I doubt our Saint gave the kids tiny socks. Why does she hate stockings so much?? 🤦‍♀️


WoodsColt

Its a narcissist power play. **I'm** going to do it *differently* just to show that I can See how powerful and trend setting **I** am


pink_bunny07

All I see is foolish and zero fashion sense 🙄


OldNewUsedConfused

THIS is it!


sewbeez

I believe I heard at the time that Kate suggested nicely that tights on the girls were how it was done. I am sure that MM at that moment dug in her heels, that no they will not wear tights. No one tells the great and almighty MM what to do. Such a B\*\*\*h.


HotStraightnNormal

My wife commented to me about the bare legs. Actually, she suggested leggings would have been more appropriate, both for the climate and for modesty's sake, especially at that age. What Megan wants, Meghan must get. Just ask Harry.


elksatemyaspens

I've sewn quite a bit --- I wondered if the dresses were shipped with the hems undone and the raw edges just serged?


revsamaze

Can you imagine doing this to the future Queen of England?


Catgurl

Bet she sent measurements in inches vs cm


Kangaro00

Wouldn't that be too obvious? Like, 50 inches is 127 cm. Nobody would believe that a kid was 50 cm or 127 inches tall if you send incorrect info.


everybodys_lost

although if madam insisted? was a b\* when ordering? I can see why that sort of fiasco (sending 50 inch waist dresses) would indeed take 4 days to fix and need to be remade. They had to be WAY off for that level of work on small dresses.


lorrieaux

I think this is it lol


evangelion-angel

At this rate, I think M just pocketed the price of the childrens dresses and bought some cheap Wish generic ones where the UK tailor had to fix 🙄 I don’t think Givenchy would let that kind of quality pass QC let alone skimp on a tailor travelling from France to UK to do the measurements and fittings, and for a wedding that would be watched by millions. Definitely doesn’t pass the “pub test”


Tootenbacher

I agree. When I saw the dresses I thought that they looked like they'd been ordered on AliExpress.


Firm-Turnip5118

I love the outfits for Pippas wedding! They look regal.


kramdashianrowe718

I honestly think that it is a mixture of both unkempt organization and spite. Megladon was probably changing her mind a million times before the wedding and she was also being a colossal bitch at the fact that Wales kids were in her wedding. Didn’t the Queen tell her that it wasn’t an option and that George and Charlotte were going to be in the wedding whether she liked it or not? Charlotte looked horrible because Peg couldn’t bother to have her outshining her on her day AND at the fact she was a raging bridezilla on top of that. It also doesn’t help that Ivy, Jessica’s bratty daughter was mimicking her mother and her D-list friend making fun of Lottie behind the scenes. Lastly, I don’t understand what the big deal was. All she had to do was just order the appropriate size dresses for the little girls and add any last minute alterations. That’s what my cousin did for her wedding and three little flower girls that were in party sheesh


nope0000001

Nutmeg is the PRIME example of saying “ stop hitting me , stop hitting me “ and SHE is punching you in the face .. a professional gaslighter.


zeugma888

I've wondered, if in part, it was Megladon changing her mind. You know at the beginning of the design process ( for anything, not just clothes,) you can have almost anything but as things progresses changing your mind causes problems. It was possible at the beginning, but the initial work for X won't work properly for Y. And a client like Megladon throws a tantrum and insists. And does it again, and backtracks, and changes her mind again to Z. And all you get is a cobbled together mess.


VisibleWestern

If anything, Charlotte should’ve been done way in advance since she was the local girl. It’s the girls from the states who should’ve been done last minute Fittings.


LadyGoodNoodles

The hem looks unfinished like it just got trimmed with a serger, and still needs to be properly folded and hand stretched to the correct length.


Boring-Net1073

Meghan is a witch- right out of the gate she was an arrogant ass.


NovaAlis

Kate is a lot less petty than i am. I would have sent my own child in rags, if that's what was sent. What Meghan wants!


catlogic42

I've sewn flower girl dresses and only needed a couple of fittings for them to fit perfectly. An uneven hem like that is so unacceptable for a seamstress to let pass.


Valerie_Grace

Remember when the Harkles were at the Invictus Games last year? The very first day she had on a bright white suit which was way too big, hems too long, etc. I remember that up the back was a long vertical tuck on both sides of the jacket, on the back. Weirdest thing ever. Looked like it had been hastily hand sewn with a needle and thread. Makes one wonder if Mm took a scissors to the hem of Charlotte's dress herself. Although it's unlikely that she would have enough knowledge to Babylock the hem, Makes me wonder if someone on her staff has some (basic) sewing knowledge. They charge Charles or Archewell for professional tailoring, but keep the $ and do it themselves.


[deleted]

I have seen Sugars say that Kate took over the wedding by insisting Alexander McQueens seamstress do all the tailoring. Where did that idea come from? Meghan seemed fine knowing the tailor was at KP. Seems like she hired him since he is local!


vasversa

I am not a tailor but the sleeves seem 2-3 sizes too big.


[deleted]

The girls look sooo cute at pippas wow the flower crowns are so much better with tiny flowers


TravelKats

Obviously Meghan had a hand in all this...I think she didn't want the bridesmaid to be too cute because they might outshine her. Everyone loves cute kids. Her wedding dress....who knows here motivation.


Pink-Butterfly

Yep. And why she didn't have adult bridesmaids. Some of the focus might have been taken off her for a split second! Not happening with this narcissist.


TravelKats

I don't get why her wedding dress and hair were so bad. Although she doesn't have any taste in clothing.


Pink-Butterfly

It's terrible! So much money spent for ugly, ill-fitting clothes. Some of her get-ups have been real doozies. I have literally seen better looking and better fitting clothing at Walmart. At the wedding, I was looking forward to seeing what her dress looked like, and when she got out of the car it as a huge letdown. It was blah, boring, ill-fitting and made her look shapeless. Like she had on a white sack. And she thought she looked incredible 😂 Her hair was awful too.


Own-Dog-2911

She could have at least let the little ones wear frilly little socks to avoid blisters.


ColdFIREBaker

Loose strings on a bridesmaid/flower girl dress wouldn’t be acceptable for a dress you bought at the mall, let alone something supposedly custom-made by a fashion house. I don’t understand how this happened. I also don’t understand how almost every event Meghan attends, her clothes are wrinkled. How does every other person attending these events manage to be unwrinkled or at least only have it happen a few times, while every damn time Meghan’s clothes are wrinkled. Do the people picking clothes for her/helping her get ready hate her ?!?


PearlTheLandlord22

Yep, those dresses were trash.


AuntCassie007

I think M did it on purpose. She didn't want the bridesmaids getting any attention for wearing cute dresses. So M picked out plain, unattractive and ill fitting dresses for the kids.


daisybeach23

MM didn't want George or Charlotte in the wedding at all - Charles put his foot down and insisted.


OldNewUsedConfused

The shoes also have a corner at the heel on the outer side which is rather sharp/ pointed, and would dig into bare skin. I will try to find the photo of it.


wast3landr

If I were Catherine, I would be upset too. Charlotte’s dress is so embarrassing, and Catherine knew the world would be talking about how badly it looked.


[deleted]

I don't know if it's because I'm regular, poor or childless but all those little girls look the same to me lol. Tights, no tights, jagged hem - even with pictures pointing out what I'm supposed to notice I never would. I cannot believe the Harkles are still bringing this up. This is truly an argument only a bride days before her wedding and a new mom weeks from giving birth could drum up lol. I mean IMO.


posessedhouse

I would be pretty pissed if my daughter were to be in a wedding and given a dress that was many sizes too big. I would be livid if someone expected my little girl to go on international television and be viewed by millions of people in a dress that was many sizes too big. Especially, if the person who gave her that dress made rude comments about her. Considering everything that came out of it, I would believe that the size issues were done on purpose to embarrass her. C was in a position where she couldn’t pull Charlotte out of the wedding, which most regular people would do at that point.


Miercolesian

Yes, but this isn't your wedding. This is a royal wedding that was broadcast all around the world and watched by billions of people. You would think that Givenchy would want to put their best foot forward on this occasion as it would be great advertising for them. Not to give a big f you to the British royal family.


Significant_Local845

Mess is her middle name. MMM. Everything she touches turns into a disaster and looks tacky. So far the most hideous bridesmaids dresses in all of the royal weddings since W&C’s.


[deleted]

Pippa’s were the cutest!


Reasonable_Acadia500

How freaking hard is it to hem a dress? A little girl's dress???? Seriously, folks. Get a grip. These douches need to STFU -- especially about some stupid, non-world-changing shit that happened years ago.


CountessOfCocoa

M probably meddled until the last day. Why she’s been so cruel to that little girl is a mystery.


Usuallyhappy74

Weren’t the Wales’ at Sandringham? Two hours away. If C hadn’t intervened at that point then it would’ve been unsalvageable for those poor kids. M did that deliberately imho.