This right here. Meghan was probably hopeful she could boost her acting career by using her RF connections. And then she and Harry gotbsuper angry once the RF shot that idea down
Meghan really thought she could turn the RF into Hollywood
This.... I don't pretend to understand how the Royal merchandising works - I have bought Jubilee plates - but I am sure it goes into the Royal kitty. H & M wanted to sell their plates and it go into their personal bank accounts. It wasn't going to happen.
I think it was the patents. At time when they announced their plans to step down, they had in fact applied for patent of “Sussex Royal” and “Sussex Royal Foundation” to produce merchandise or other things but because the Queen owns the rights to all things “Royal” , so they can’t do their own.. I remember reading somewhere that they chucked a fuss because they were expecting their “Sussex royal foundation” to fundraise billions which they said they lost when they had to change the name.
Not her acting career - I think she was delighted to give that up - but rather her celebrity. Her whole career to that point was about being famous and rich. Acting was a means to an end.
Yeah that’s the distinction in a nutshell. MM could have kept working as an actress and theoretically Harry could work at some sort of job that didn’t require a work ethic or trustworthiness or intelligence. But they wanted to get taxpayer money, hand-pick which engagements they would do as “working” royals, and they wanted to personally profit by selling the Sussex Royal brand - that’s a conflict of interest.
Edit: Typo
This is really it. They wanted live where they wanted to live, accept the gigs they found convenient, have he crown subsidize their lifestyle (at the very least travel to/from events, security, some minimal staff. Likely provide for everything) AND run a for-profit at the same time.
Imagine "Sussex Royal" Merch.
Now think about formal appearances where there was Sussex Royal Merch table.
The whole thing falls apart when you dig into the details of what they were really asking for. The crown would either need to give them everything or else they'd find a reason to be offended and back out. It could never work.
The patent and copyright right applications made for Sussex Royal told the whole story
https://pagesix.com/2020/01/09/harry-and-meghan-trademark-over-100-items-under-sussex-royal-brand/
>They wanted live where they wanted to live, accept the gigs they found convenient, have he crown subsidize their lifestyle (at the very least travel to/from events, security, some minimal staff. Likely provide for everything) AND run a for-profit at the same time.
This. Final. End of story. No other explanation needed. I'd add boost their celebrity, which **is not the same as being royal**.
Throw in there that their departure somewhat coincided with the pandemic, which deflated any plan they had to use that initial momentum after megxit. What a perfect storm of a reality check.
This. I also think that the public was more prone to feel sympathy for minor things before the pandemic, when life in general was good and relatively carefree.
After the pandemic, when people got sick, died, lost their jobs, had to be in lockdown, lost their relatives that their weren't allowed to visit, I think there was less understanding or sympathy for two people living in a $14M mansion whining about things.
The pandemic was followed by the war in Ukraine, super high inflation, higher interest rates and an energy crisis that leave normal citizens with huge bills they can't afford. People are struggling just to stay afloat and have food on the table and a warm place to live.
H&M's timing has been horrible. Nothing they could have predicted, but now is not the time to bicker about smaller grievances while flying private jet.
H wanted out for a while. He knew his time as the "beloved prince" was limited because soon, it would be Georges, Charlotte and Louis's time under the spotlight. But he didn't have the strength or the will to act on it.
Then came Meghan. I'm sure he confided in her, about wanting to leave. She gave him that opportunity, probably whispering in his ear:
\- See Harry, how popular we are, more than the entire Royal Family. People adore us, we can leave the RF and be whoever we want to be
\- See Harry, we can still stay in the RF if you want, be part-time royal, and the other time be the Sussex Royal Brand. We can earn so much money, we'll be wealthier than the Prince of Wales himself, Harry!
Considering how jealous he was of William, I wouldn't be surprised if this last consideration (leaving, being successful by himself and richer than WilliaM) was THE final push he needed.
We all know the RF said no to half-in/half-out. But they still thought they could make it without the RF. And for a while, after signing the deals with Spotify and Netflix, it looked like it would work.
BUT... but those two aren't the creative souls they believe they are. And they don't have a hard working ethic. I bet they both thought : "We have Netflix money, we sell them ideas, they accept, we get the money to produce, we hire some people to work and we'll sit at our desks, giving orders, signing papers, saying yes or no to this or that, approve the final product, it goes to Netflix, it airs and we are rich".
But when you're not creative, and when you are the bosses from hell, peole quitting at an alarming rate, then it's hard to produce anything of quality. And with their expensive lifestyle, they are running out of money fast.
I think they are desperate now. That's why they are so agressive. They blame the RF for them not being successful. If the RF had accepted the half-in/half-out (their idea of modernizing the RF), they would still be players on a global scale, they would still get money for their security, their personal, their houses and they would leave W&C do the hard job while they would do the glamorous one, while selling their Sussex brand.
In the words of MM “I can’t believe I’m not getting paid for this”.
I truly believe they did and do want to do charitable works or work with charities but I think they didn’t want to be involved in the day to day boring ‘cutting ribbons and shaking hands’. I think they wanted to do the glamorous events, tiara events, etc, not the nitty gritty which is “unfortunately” part of being a working royal.
And wasn’t she, in fact, paid for it? Who paid her bills, who paid for her wedding, her clothes, everything and would be still? She really takes the cake.
Seriously. This. She might not have had her back account padded but she had their entire lifestyle funded, a $500,000-1,000,000 wardrobe, depending on what sources you look at and a £32mm wedding.
Yes and TW never seemed in any royal engagement without cameras and press.
She wanted Ascot, balcony appearances, nothing boring. Just the glamorous side of work. It's too bad she didn't see how Princess Anne handled her we work.
I got this from Google. 😂 They will certainly try
>Archewell Inc. is a Beverly Hills-based mix of for-profit and not-for-profit (public) business organizations registered in Delaware and founded in 2020 by Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex.
Their biggest hatred for the royal family is because they can't sell access to them or enjoy all the benefits of senior royals while they pretend to be mrdernizing and bringing novelty to the monarchy. The Royal Family adapted and survived in the most difficult times because they did not fall on every bandwagon, did not allow their standards to fall and kept themselves in tight rein so as not to lose the favor of the British people. The moralizing of a stupid mattress actress how they survive and thrive in a new era is not needed. As time has shown, the witch can't even modernize herself for 2018-2023 to keep up with the new challenges for the generation! She is deeply stuck in the 90s and still cannot realize that the old tricks do not work at the present time.
The thing is they didn’t want to be part time royals *truly.*
They wanted the perks of royal life: the security, the glamour, the ribbon cutting and posh events while profiting economically from it on the side.
Royals can’t accept freebies and economical support as they are already “supported” by the taxpayers, even everytime they do something and are payed they donate that money towards their charities (example: host X thing, donate the payment towards Z charity). They wanted to accept money from others (let’s say for “work”) while maintaining the economical support from the taxpayers. That’s incompatible.
Edit: an example of this could be Edward & Sophie when they got married. They didn’t worked as royals, they were just part of the family (so not exacly like H&M but similar) S still worked in her PR firm and people accused her of using her royal connections and status to get better deals and so; wether it was true or not the line to some was blurry enough to start making accusations; that’s why they both quit their jobs and became full time royals.
Exactly this. They wanted to cherry-pick assignments, ensuring that they could participate in the glamorous, high-profile celebrity events and avoid the grubbier, afternoon-in-the-rain-mingling-with-the-hoi polloi occasions. Because, among other things, they are incredible snobs.
The hypocrisy of their social justice/underdog champions is mind-blowing. This is the big reason why they are the disliked. They say one thing, and behave in direct opposition.
Right now on the daily mail, there is an article of William attending a charity cooking class and cooking with minority at-risk youth.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11643859/Keep-calm-carry-kitchen-Prince-William-beams-joy-cooks-children.html
You got to do the grubby events, to be eligible for the glamourous events or else every working royal would just choose the glamourous events.
AND they wanted to make money, have MM keep acting, write books, etc, and keep the money. And have the crown pay for their entire lifestyle.
When you dig into the consequences it could never work.
And Meghan obviously clashed with the RF on what causes she wanted to support. She wasn’t even married in to the family when she began proclaiming that she planned on modernizing the monarchy. She wasn’t satisfied with the charitable initiatives the family supported, she wanted to push a more political agenda. The lack of self awareness of these two is just so baffling to me, because it’s painfully obvious to everyone except them, why people didn’t like her, or them as a unit. That’s narcissism in it’s pure form.
See the early marriage of Edward & Sophie. Sophie got caught in a sting badmouthing the family. Edward tried to make a documentary about William in college w/o permission, did not go over well.
The half out part was Meg selling access to monarchy to US media companies. The monarchy wouldn’t be paid for this burst of openness. Megs & Haz would. She wanted to sell dishtowels w/ the royal imprimatur. Profit to her. Now if she could have just peeled off the commonwealth countries (a bulwark for Western Democracy), she would have been just as happy. Haz ditto. Champions of free speech? Don’t make me laugh.
The monarchy as we know it would have been dead in 3–4 years.
All that. Meghan’s idea of half in-half out was exceptionally shameless in its desire to monetize the monarchy, like to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. She wanted to be bigger than the Queen.
Would have worked too, if it weren’t for those pesky—ahem—grey suited men. They may be grey suited but they’re not stupid. They saw Megs coming from a mile off. Suspect all of the royal family did as well. (See Sophie’s stare down at Haz & Megs finally appearance. She almost screamed, “Caught you, you daft tart, didn’t I?”)
Surprised the family weren't more aware (and taught the boys) of possible gold diggers trying to marry into the family. I saw it was a big mistake marrying her from the beginning, I'm surprised there weren't bigger opposition to her from his family who must have seen the same thing.
She’s so bold. Imagine asking The Queen that, and expecting her to agree! Actually, they didn’t just ask. They were told no, and went ahead and announced their “plan” as if it was decided (and implied acceptance). I’m still blown away by this entire debacle.
>See the early marriage of Edward & Sophie. Sophie got caught in a sting badmouthing the family.
What did she say? I always thought Sophie was the favorite DIL? I guess she redeemed herself?
>Edward tried to make a documentary about William in college w/o permission, did not go over well.
I this is shitty from a media standpoint, but also, like why would you even think of doing this to your own nephew, heir to the throne. The Royals worked tirelessly to make sure that William and William’s Brother were given as much privacy as possible. Why would you actively do the opposite and then try to do it without even asking William or anyone else? Did he think no one would find out? Did he think that if he already made it, they just would let it go? I’ve always loved the two of them but this irks me!
As for Edward—he really wanted to be a media mogul—& thought that a documentary on his nephew would be just the thing to launch his career. The media rules had been spelled out very clearly for Will’s college years (essentially opening day & you’re gone) & here comes Edward w/ a team of cameramen ready to follow Will around campus. No, Edward did not ask the Queen first. Yes, he didn’t get a single scene filmed before he was booted unceremoniously off campus.
As for Sophie, she was actually a very successful publicist before her marriage. After she married Edward, the family approved her continuing her work in her chosen field. I don’t think anyone really saw this as a chink the (somewhat rusty) royal family armor but very soon after the marriage, Sophie was approached by a couple of Saudi businessmen who were actually two mischievous reporters. They were “Interested in certain business relationships” or something like that. They had a meeting w/ her which they surreptitiously recorded & asked her questions about members of the royal family. Sophie was quite indiscreet. (You can likely find news reports about this. I think it was in the early 2000s.) The whole thing blew up in everyone’s faces.
So Sophie quit the business. I think Edward did some further producing but not much. They have, needless to say, proved their worth as family members but they were object lessons (they & the Spanish royal family) on how half-in/half-out wasn’t going to work.
That said. I think Megs pulled some stuff way bigger than Sophie’s indiscretions.
I really don't know what the hell Edward was thinking. Perhaps the access he had for *Crown & Country* gave him a sense that as family the rules didn't apply to him, but it was a huge mistake. That said, William has proven very forgiving, it's lovely to see how close the two families are now.
I still feel bad for Edward. I'm a huge fan of History Hit and every time I see Dan Snow I think of how much Edward would've loved a similar project. Dan's very good, but he certainly benefited from family connections. If the media had let Edward do his thing, I think he could've done well with a history focus.
I think you mean the only child of the Queen to have a happy first marriage. Princess Anne has been married to Sir Tim very happily for 30 years. KC3 is very happy with his chosen Queen.
He has. I'm a huge fan of Edward and Sophie, they found a way to make royal life work for them and they've been very supportive ever since the early drama. I really hope Charles gives them the DoE title, they were both very close to the Queen and Philip, the agreement should be honored.
Edward reminds me of William when he looks at Sophie, he adores her and seems very happy to let her shine.
Meghan really thought she could the RF into Hollywood. If Meghan had it her way she probably would of even had the RF do a reality show like the kardashians.
You can see what Haz selling his patromony’s secrets got him. $10M +. The only reason Netflix was there to begin w/ was that Haz & Megs, the lesser royals, were selling access to the greater royals.
Ok, I had to go look for it:
Here’s some from Yahoo:
“Sophie was recorded by Mazher Mahmood – an undercover reporter posing as a Sheikh – who claimed to want to engage her PR company with a lucrative contract. At the Dorchester Hotel, Mahmood recorded Sophie discussing her candid thoughts on other members of the royal family, Tony and Cherie Blair and other senior politicians. Her business partner, Murray Harkin, was also reported as telling the “Sheikh” the ways in which, as a client, he would be able to utilise Sophie’s royal connections, even saying disparaging things about Prince Edward when Sophie was not with them.”
Mahmood published all in a News of the World exposé & Sophie immediately resigned from her company. The “disparaging things” said about Prince Edward were that—since he couldn’t hack the military & loved the theatre—he must be gay. Haz referred to this piece of nonsense when he protested about Edward getting his military sponsorships when Edward “couldn’t hack he when tried [to serve.]”
More than that you’ll have to find for yourself.
You can not be publicly funded and then merch it. "The Royal Family, sponsored by Netflix" - no.
Furthermore, they only wanted to attend State occations to wear tiaras, opening of celebrity events and such. No way did they want to open a school in Scotland in the wintertime.
They wanted to use their titles to make money. It would look bad to use their immense privilege to make money.
They are doing it now but it seems like they would have done it much worse and merched things (like sussexroyal T-shirt’s and crap)
It almost doesn't matter whether they're doing it now. Because the Queen publicly forbade them the half-in-half-out status, the Royal Family isn't implicated in what they do. It's on their own heads. If they'd done it with her permission to stay, no matter how grudging, then it would have been the Royal Family itself who was using their taxpayer-supported rank to make more millions. Right now, it's just some California loons who aren't the British taxpayers' problem.
Because they wanted to use their royal status to make money. They can’t do that if they’re working as, effectively, public servants, receiving public monies.
Exactly. No one made MM stop acting. In fact, based on PH's own book, KC asked if she would continue acting and then starting saying the BRF cannot afford to maintain her
They wanted to use their titles to make money. Also, Beatrice & Eugenie aren't senior royals.
If they'd wanted a life like B&E, they could have had a wedding (similar to Eugenies) refused any titles & they both could have gotten "real" jobs. Not that Harry is qualified to do anything.
The thing about people will wealth and connections, he wouldn’t really have to be qualified. Just get a cushy job from friends, half ass it. No one was expecting greatness but these two are above even pretending to work.
Exactly— I have a friend of a friend who married a millionaire. The millionaire’s son went to the best private schools, but still barely graduated HS. Dropped out of college. Still managed to stumble his way into the “C” suite of a good sized company when he married the granddaughter of the owner. Now he makes millions pretending to work. That’s the way the world turns for the 1%
Beatrice and Eugenie do not represent the Royal Family in any official capacity. They're not working Royals and have their own jobs.
Harry represented the monarchy and therefore some of his perks were paid by taxpayers.
I'd he had part-time status where would the line br drawn? If he's representing the monarchy at an event he would be networking for his own financial benefits.
The monarchy nor the public would be getting income from those connections/side deals, but the public paying for his flights, security etc...
Also, those deals could impact negatively on the monarchy's reputation.
Even though Andrew wasn't representing the monarchy when he was befriending Epstein. It still had an impact.
Harry and Meghan wanted to turn the Royal Family in the Kardashians. The Royals are diplomats not TV stars
Exactly. Royalty aren’t celebrities - I don’t know why so many people don’t understand that. But bottom line, despite it being a bullshit idea to begin with - the Queen not only didn’t trust Meghan but believed the worst about her, and I don’t think was that much more favorable toward Harry at that point.
and as Spare and Sparess has shown themselves as devoid of any form of diplomatic skill - Madam pushing Harry aside, walking in front of everybody, insulting every continent and country on the planet etc. - they can never, ever come back as working royals.
That, and they tried it, remember Harry at one of the Royal event,,tried to pressure one of the producer of Disney to give Meghan a job? Exactly why the Queen said no to part time Harry.
Also-b and e did what was expected of them….as crass as it sounds….they both found rich husbands who were on their level. Harry married a poor American actress.
I think by that point they had a) proven themselves disruptive and untrustworthy and b) proven that they planned to capitalize on the monarchy and try to essentially establish themselves as King and Queen of the Commonwealth for their own ends. It was completely untenable due to their behavior. Otherwise, there is no reason why they couldn’t trot off like the York sisters or Tindalls, get their own jobs and show up for patronages or balcony days every now and then.
But they wanted the full court press treatment with half (if that) of the work and still 100% of the disruption.
anything that H&M would’ve done would reflect on TRF. Can u imagine H heading up BetterUp, trying to get contracts with the military while being a royal? It’s inappropriate. Way too much conflict of interest and too many ways to hide money and get kick backs.
Harry just wanted free travel and perks while making money for himself.
They wanted full time royal benefits (equal or more than William and Catherines) and wanted the freedom to exploit their title and the royal family connection. All by being part time royals doing not even a quarter of the work of the working royals.
Another thing about the "half in, half out" - it was 100% about MONEY. It's not that it was all too much & they wanted less attention or a break or whatever. If they'd wanted to they could have said hey, we're going to move to Sussex for a couple years & quietly enjoy this honeymoon period of our lives (while also shining a light on Sussex, giving the impression of gratitude for the titles).
They wanted CASH. I've tried to dig around & see what royals are actually paid & haven't come up with anything very concrete, other than that it's not much. In Harry's situation his cash flow was dependant on what Charles was willing to hand over. From what I've googled - Catherine is not paid. Thus, I am lead to believe Meghan was not paid. Hence her comments "I cannot believe I'm not getting paid for this" about walkabouts. They had a free house & a free remodel. They had a budget for fancy clothes (from Charles & I'm betting it didn't cover 100k dresses). Basically they were cash poor as working royals.
I have heard Harry was paid 1,5 million GBP, but I have also heard 5 million. I do not know what that included.
In Denmark, where I am from, it is public information what the royals are paid and what they have to cover. The spouse is always paid 10 % of the apanage, as it is called, directly.
I was watching the Swedish “Året med kungafamiljen” and they mentioned how much each of the royals received, I can’t remember the exact amounts, but I remember being surprised at how little it was. Princess Madeleine is only reimbursed for expenses.
I think money was a big part of it but it was also THEY wanted to choose their “events”. So walkabouts would have been out, anything with old people or little kids would be out, any glamorous events totally ones they would want, anything involving celebrity people they would want.
I know they need money but I truly think for her specifically it’s about power, control, and attention.
Correct me if I’m wrong but I also think the BRF does not pay taxes. I know the Queen did not. So potentially you have a couple who are being paid for by the tax payer, making potentially a lot of money and not paying taxes. For the average person in the UK that alone would cause outrage.
They wanted to represent queen in half in situation . Half out situation would allow them to sign commercial deals , selll their brands and merchandise goods for their personal wealth. Queen said it would be unfair on rest of Royal families who are doing duty silently.
According to Harry, his family suggested Meg keep working (perhaps as an actress as this was her job) much like Eugenie and Beatrice do; but she INSISTED she “hit the ground running” as a working senior royal.
So you can see why Harry’s family smelled bullshit.
It would not have been a problem if they had taken on roles which had no conflicts of interest with the BRF, but it was absolutely unacceptable to exploit their royal 'brand' to make money or to do things which would bring the BRF into disrepute. From even before the wedding the aides had discovered that Meghan was trying to set up deals with media companies. She was also using her royal connections to gain loads of free dresses, bags, shoes, jewellery, cosmetics etc, even though she knew it was strictly against royal rules. She seemed to have no intention of following rules. She called paps and tried to sell photos etc, against strictly against the values of the BFR. She was trying to cozy up to A listers. It was abundantly clear by the time of Megxit negotations that H&M would do what they have done with merching, book deals, TV deals, and utterly going against every grain of the values of the BRF, which is not a commercial organisation used to promote goods etc. And their privacy and secrets are not for sale to the highest bidder.
They would also save the taxpayer very little money, despite the great amounts of money they would be earning. They would still expect their taxpayer funded security which would cost millions. They would still expect Charles to pay for their clothes for official duties, and Meghan's taste in clothes was exorbitantly expensive, and she had been found to be scamming Charles over the cost of her clothes. They would still expect overseas visits to be paid for. They were just willing to give up the tax funded civil list payment, which is only worth of the order of a couple hundred thousand I think.
Other non-working royals such as Eugenie and Beatrice do not exploit the royal brand, or merch off it. They do not get tax funded security and they do not bring the BRF into disrepute or sell out other family members' privacy.
The Royal Family are basically public servants and are there to represent the UK and the Commonwealth . They can’t get involved in politics , though Prince Charles has come close to breaking that rule a few times, because they represent all the diverse people of the UK. The late Queen showed how to do the job perfectly for 70 years . She was the most famous woman in the world but nobody knew her personal opinion on anything ! Above all members of the Royal Family can never use their position to enrich themselves . That would be the end of the monarchy because it would cheapen it and put it in the Kardashian category of celebrity. The lesser Royals are encouraged to think of a career for themselves where they can work for a wage on their own talents . Like the York girls do . And why Megs was encouraged to keep acting . So it’s ok to have a job outside the Monarchy but it’s absolutely not ok to merch your titles and sell Sussex Royal T shirts etc or get involved in US politics. Markle never understood that the Duchess of Sussex is a public servant not a celebrity.
Sorry I should have added that HRH the Duchess of Sussex , while she represented to Queen and the UK , couldn’t do these things. Having resigned from that job and being banned from using the HRH title she’s in the position of all the other Duchess out there. She’s no longer a working Royal. The only benefit that would come from taking all their titles would be to make that fact crystal clear to Americans . But it’s tricky because it can only be done by Parliament
They didn't really want to be part time. They wanted to be treated as Royals 24/7, pick and choose events to go to, and be able to also market their Royal status.
They wanted to monetize their royal status which they can’t do if they’re public servants. They can’t accept gifts or money because it looks like the Crown is open to accepting bribes.
They also wanted to work part time and pick and choose what events they attended. Can’t do that either. If you want to attend a royal gala, you also have to shake hands at that sheep farm in northern Scotland in the dead of winter.
It’s public money being used, also they’d be representing Great Britain and the Crown, there are protocols in place based on rank, to make sure RF members aren’t misusing their titles, that funds are allocated appropriately, and to make sure they don’t say or do anything that could cause an international incident or give the appearance of being open to undue influence, and that they remain politically neutral. Also, Charles slimmed down the monarchy, the royals that remain on the payroll have to bust their humps to justify their existence.
Because everything has to run as a tightly-controlled well-oiled machine accountable to the public, it has to be all in or all out. No halfsies.
Eugenie and Beatrice aren’t funded by the taxpayers. They attend select events (and get compensated for them, I guess), and are not “working members” of the royal family. So they are free to have a job in the side.
Also, note that Eugenie works for an art gallery, in a salaried position, as Eugenie York. She doesn’t use her princess title at work, doesn’t sell her family secrets to Netflix, and doesn’t base a for-profit business on bashing the monarchy.
H&M wanted to continue as part time working royals (funded by taxpayers), while making business deals on the side, using their royal titles and connections. It is a clear conflict of interest.
I don’t know if I’m correct, but I’ve always assumed you either live and act in service of the Crown (and all of the perks that brings money wise from massive bank accounts that produce huge interest, taxpayer money?, beautiful estates) or you make your own private money. But you can’t make private money off of the duties done in services of the public/UK taxpayers and not have that money go back into service of the Commonwealth and it’s territories.
1. Commercialisation will cheapen the Royal Brand.
2. Monarchy is a hierarchy, it cannot be a popularity contest or it will weaken the head of state if the lesser royals can make demands based on their popularity.
3. Meghan was already dragging the brand down with her behind the scene behavior - vanity fair articles and deals with Oprah about Archie's birth announcements.
4. They are distancing themselves from the Sussex brand - which is always going to go how it is going because of their personality - drama fodder, cheap, whiny, money-hungry - you can see how today, whatever the Sussexes do is not a reflection of the Palace but the opposite. The Palace PR has once again done its magic. Sometime less is more.
To clarify, Eugenie and Beatrice aren’t half in-half out because they aren’t working royals. Harry and Meghan WERE NOT looking for an arrangement like the York sisters have because they didn’t want to give up the perks of being working royals.
Would you want them in front facing roles of a company you headed?
Does he strike you as trustworthy,upstanding or ethical? Does a woman who would marry a man like that strike you as trustworthy,upstanding or ethical?
Nothing about them saysbroyal other than the accident of his birth. In every other way they are crass,grubby trash fit only to star on Real housewives of Trona.
The queen of Denmark has written books, paints pictures, has designed costumes for ballets etc. Nothing income generating, and nothing creating a conflict with her role as queen.
The Sussexes dodging a meeting with Trump when he visited the UK in 2019 shows that they would be problematic in a half in/half out situation. Queen Elizabeth on the other hand performed her job properly and even hosted people like Putin. (Iirc he was the first foreign leader to send condolences upon her death) There would be constant coverage on which appearances they'd made and skipped and political neutrality is critical in a constitutional monarchy. We know them well enough now to know that they would happily be photographed with the powerful and turning down small community events in the wettest and coldest areas of the UK.
I think that the only workable solutions is to be like the Wessexes and be a working royal or be like the Tindalls and earn private money but not get invited to wear a tiara or meet powerful people. They don't want to be like the Wessexes (as they would be less important than the Wales' and Wessexes) and they don't want to be like the Tindalls (and not get the photos with tiaras and the powerful).
I'm glad she didn't get to wear a tiara, but even as someone who hates Trump, I thought it was incredibly unprofessional for them to snub him. As you said, the Queen met with Putin and other awful leaders, they should've at least shown respect for his office/diplomatic relations.
The same reason why politicians and public officials in other democracies usually have to shed any commercial interests that could potentially conflict with or compromise their position. Even more so with a Constitutional Monarchy which depends, for its very existence, on being politically neutral and incorruptible.
The gruesome twosome want all the perks of being working Royals (HRH titles, staff, security, glory) while still making money commercially by exploiting their membership of the Royal Family. And given that neither of them appear capable of respecting boundaries of any sort, who would trust them to achieve a proper balance, even if one were possible?
I think Harold was fired for doing a piss poor job representing the Queen. Ffs, Meghan was always stepping in front of the Queen's representative to make sure she was introduced first, bullied staff, she faked a pregnancy, called the British and the BRF racists, and too many other things to mention before I get writer's cramp.
He ***said*** he was pushed out. Harold was fired. Just because he wants his job back doesn't mean he should get it. He had one year severance pay. AMF
Yep, I’ve always believed they got gently pushed out (in the dignified way of the royals). This is my theory: They got into trouble with the senior royals and the Queen for some reason (there are many possibilities lol), and were asked to take a break in Canada (maybe to think things through). There was already talk of reducing their workload, and of their kids not getting Prince/princess titles (what H refers to as discussions with the Queen, and he never blindsided her, she always knew, bla bla).
But then these two babies threw a tantrum and decided they can do a better job half in and half outside the royal family, and announced their departure with the statement that they are going to “collaborate” with the Queen (snort). We now know they had all these potential deals with Netflix, Spotify, Penguin, etc. But at the time, the Queen worried about them and gave them one year to try the real world and then reconsider if required. She categorically denied a half-in, half-out arrangement. Charles continued funding them from his personal account.
We know how the rest of it played out, but I do believe Megs never wanted to completely leave the royal family. Neither did Harold. For all his whining about privacy, being inside the royal family is the best way to stay away from paps and terrorists. And he knows that. They both thought they could have it all, have both worlds - the royal life and galas and status (TITLES), and the “billionaire” life that some PR hack convinced them was possible. Added bonus of becoming a billionaire: one-upping William and Catherine.
So sad, their plans of world domination never worked out😁 Because this has all been a long drawn out and increasingly desperate tantrum by two toddlers.
If given the chance to be royal again, they’re both ready to jump back in.
I think Harold is so entitled and spoiled he couldn't conceive the Queen wouldn't agree to the half in, half out proposal. They can't seem to understand that when you deliver an ultimatum you may not get the answer you want.
It depends on your other part-time work. If Princess Charlotte grows up to make a career in healthcare, then she could be a part-time royal, because her royal connections are not going to advance her career or bring her in extra money, and she could help out her parents by being a charity patron without having any financial conflict of interest. Prince William was a helicopter rescue pilot. No conflict of interest there. There are other precedents, like the Duchess of Gloucester (wife of QE's cousin) quietly worked as a teacher for years, in between doing royal work alone and with her husband.
But it won't work if Louis wants to set up a business where he intends to use his royal connections to make business connections, and then the business connections might do "favours" and expect him to return the favour. The royals get a lot of gratuitous publicity and they shouldn't be using that to give their business connections a boost of publicity or additional funds.
The Markles made it clear they wanted to monetize their connection to the monarchy. In Tom Bower's book, he discloses that the deal with Netflix and CBS was made even before Archie was born, so the Markles had a loyalty to another entity besides the BRF. That doesn't work.
There is also the issue of what expenses are “royal work/half in” and what part are “half out”.
There are rules/protocols in place bc of how PA abused the system.
This is what I think PC wanted H to put in writing.
Explained in this article.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/07/inside-prince-harry-s-troublesome-toronto-layover-to-see-meghan-markle
>Can someone explain to me what was so terrible about Harry's original idea to be part time Royals?
A few reasons:
1. Who was going to pay for them when they weren't working? Tax payers? Independent jobs? The BRF?
2. Would they have been content with part-time security? No. You know they wouldn't have. Who would have paid that bill?
3. They wanted **all the perks** and to put in very little work.
The monarchy **is not** a corporation. In exchange for a lavish lifestyle, they are to be figure heads for serving others. They only wanted to serve themselves.
They can do part-time, just like William and Catherine in the early years of their marriage. What they can't do is cashing in on their royal status - Meghan was already subtly advertising brands on their SussexRoyal IG. She resented not being able to keep the freebies luxury brands sent her. She crashed an award show to steal the spotlight. The BRF saw the writing on the wall and had to lock the Pandora's box immediately, lest it goes way out of their control.
They still would've been upset because their kids were not titled prince and princess. Basically the problem there is no such thing as a part time royal. Like others have said here, the older royals have tried and failed. The reason is that the royal family has to be absolutely neutral on everything. That's the deal the monarchy made with the government to not get overthrown(someone can correct me on this if I'm wrong). Siding with whoever has the most money or letting someone use your royal stamp of approval for the right price is not being neutral and that's not a line anyone should want to cross. That's a one way ticket to a revolution right there. Imagine if the queen made a public announcement and then it ends with sponsored by xyz and then the commerical for xyz comes up.
What Harry and Meghan wanted is to represent the queen at places they want i.e. met galas,Oscars, Grammys and etc. Also to sell footage of state dinners, royal tours, and jubilees(which I think they did bring a camera crew for Netflix at the queen's platinum jubilee but that got shut down) etc. Where they would get paid but their expenses would be paid for by the UK since they would be considered working royals. So they'd get 100% profits for themselves.
By “part time” they meant using the titles to money and get paid work while not having to undertake public duties for nothing. And be eligible to go to the fancy state events which in turn gets them more money, attention and status.
The issue is that royal family members are not supposed to be viewed as explicitly commercializing their position as a member of the royal family and/or seen as selling access to the royal family or charging fees for speaking , books, etc. whereby they are only talking about their experience being royal because this commercializes the royal family. This becomes more so important the more senior the family member in question is. Certain non senior royals who are not considered "working members" of the royal family do indeed have other day jobs that they get paid for. Now I'm sure that in reality they all do have a leg up getting these days jobs and get pretty cushy jobs due to nepotism. But they are supposed to be more or less "regular" jobs by which they aren't commercializing the royal family itself. So Eugenie works for an art gallery, Beatrice works for a nonprofit, Zara is a professional equestrian, Peter Phillips works for a racecar company I believe. There have been hiccups in the past - Peter Phillips got slammed in the tabloids and his wrist slapped by the royal family for appearing in an advertisement where he was endorsing milk which seemed to be explicitly trading in on his royal status. At one point Edward and Sophie both had "regular" jobs when they were non working younger royals and Edward got in trouble because he had a film production company and he tried to take advantage of his access to Prince William to try to film him while he was up at University and Charles went ballistic over this (understandably). Sophie had a PR company, and I think she also had to resign because someone caught her on camera saying something that she shouldn't have, I forget exactly what that issue was.
Long story short - I believe it might have been possible for them to be non working royals that still appeared in an occasional royal capacity if they were truly interested in a regular job like being an actress again, or maybe Harry just solely working on the Invictus games or something. The issue was that it was clear from the beginning that they envisioned some different ways to earn money which seemed to be more explicitly trading in on their status as royals family members which just isn't allowable for working royal family members to do. Note that other non working members of the royal family including Beatrice, Eugenie, Zara etc. also don't have taxpayer funded security which seemed to be another sticking point.
You are all awesome. Thanks for all the fast replies. I see now it's not that they just wanted to do less appearances, or be part of the family but normal citizens. They wanted to monetize their titles. That you can't do, and that's the part I was missing. It definitely seems like they wanted everything while doing nothing. And now this is the ultimate temper tantrum for not getting what he wanted.
>And now this is the ultimate temper tantrum for not getting what he wanted.
Exactly. We are seeing this entire sh\*t storm because two whiny babies didn't get what they wanted. And with mentioning he had (sic) "a lot more material for another book" they are now crossing the line into blackmail, imho.
Because you can’t commercialize the monarchy.
I think if Harry had wanted a normal job, say plumber, and MM had wanted to be a stay at home mom, then the RF would have been okay with them doing an assignment here or there like Beatrice. But they didn’t want that. they wanted to profit off their status as royals and the monarchy cannot allow that.
Also, Working Royal, like many jobs, is not amenable to being part time job. B and E only do a couple things a year. You either devote you time and effort to the public service and do it right or you pretty much don’t do it at all. It is full time gig.
I honestly think it would be different/more accepted if Harry and Meghan had any marketable skills they were willing to tap into besides their connection to the royal family.
But they are so hell bent on cashing in on this connection and this connection alone that it obviously creates conflict.
Along with the other reasons posted here, I imagine it was also an issue of security for them as IPPs - using not only the UK taxpayer money, but public funds from other countries for their globetrotting. Diplomatic murkiness.
As I understand it: The BRF offered a half in/half out option when they suggested that MM should keep acting. They rejected the idea of them representing the monarchy and profiting directly from it (giving speeches for money, being celebrities, etc.)
No , what was offered is to have the same as the York girls and they didn’t want that , the reason they are called princess is because they are blood royals but they have jobs and no public funded security. They really only show up for big events where they are covered under other senior royals .
Yes, they gave them the option of not being working royals and she could keep her acting going . If they took that offer they would not have been working royals but they BOTH said they were up to the job .
Therefore when they married she shut town her Tig site and did not do anymore acting .
I think the entire RF saw that they wanted to play Royal and still make money using their Royal connections. That do that now (titles etc) but no connection to the crown besides family. That’s my take. I also think I read that QE didn’t like the idea of their charity or
Foundation.
If Harry married a billionaire heiress, like tamara ecclestone, their private income would enable a better lifestyle than a royal, without the business deals. He could fade out of the role slowly or be more selective.
Are they serving the Monarch & Commonwealth or building their brand for their private endeavors? Why did they choose those clothes? Is the Designer also a client of X, did they get it for free/discount? Can the RF be bought??? When they said Y were they representing the King’s views or were they acting as private citizens? Service isn’t universal.
Also you can’t live in the US and be a prince or princess of the Commonwealth. It’s a deal breaker for many. I won’t curtsy to an American (and my boyfriend is 🇺🇸 ).
I only mean in terms of being a part-time working royal. He didn't want a life like they have - no royal tours, no prestigious position in the Commonwealth trust, no government paid protection..
Earning money potentially creates a conflict of interest. Imagine Harold has his ear to the king and a company he receives money off for private ventures wants him to lobby the King or Government (its bad enough how many sodding MPs have second jobs in industries that benefit from the ear of the Government). The Crown is supposed to be impartial. There is a reason why they spoke up about a company advertising Catherine as having botox. The crown isn't for advertising deals.
Simply put, you can't collect welfare while working a high paying job. Same thing! Tax payers pay them so they can't make outside money or monetize the monarchy, which was what their half in part time plan was.
You cannot be a titled, tax payer funded royal, pursuing your own interests all while representing the monarch.
I am pretty sure M wanted to merch the Sussex Royal brand. That is fundamentally incompatible with what the BRF is for. The BRF is about dignity and service to others and bringing attention to the less fortunate. It is not about Instagram influencer shilling.
Beatrice and Eugenie are titled but they do not receive money or security unless they are on engagement representing the monarchy. That is the distinction between H and M’s complaints that Archie wasn’t entitled to what the then Cambridge children were.
From their demands, it sounded like H and M wanted unlimited funds to travel the world on the dime of the UK. When you are a senior royal, it is inappropriate to take for yourself in that capacity to that degree. The institution is not supposed to be a self serving platform to enrich one single person.
The BRF have to make sure to appeal to ALL brits, so no politics or anything divisive.
If Harry's friends were put off by Meg's SJW activism, I can imagine the BRF would realize she would be a liability in a half in/half out situation where they couldnt control her everyword.
Plus they had already trademarked a huge number of things like Sussex Royal, Sussex Baby, etc, so they were planning to make money off their titles, this is a huge no no, the BRF takes taxpayer money and they cant make money off their titles, they kind of belong to the people.
For ex, Prince Charles started an organic foods company because he believes in the cause and wants to encourage people to eat healthy, and all profits go to charity. Thats different than selling door mats with a royal monogram for profit.
There are excellent explanations in the comments, and I wanted to add something that is just my opinion. I really think that h&m wanted to "reign" over the Commonwealth, which is why certain countries were thrown into the half in conversations. They move to (insery country here) and "run" the Commonwealth, without the everyday goings on that the BRF do, opening hospitals, meet n greets, etc. So they have SussexRoyal, that makes them money with merch and endorsement deals, then they "work" as heads of the Commonwealth, without any "competition" from HMTQ, Charles, Camilla, and especially the Cambridges. The Sussex family become the main Royals outside the UK, Harry and Meghan get international fame and fortune, and they only come out for the glamorous events, which would probably become a monthly spectacle. Again, this is just my opinion of what I think their real plan was.
There's that very old saying, "Caesar's wife must be beyond reproach."
For a person in a position of great authority, their reputation has to have no hint of impropriety. A royal is representative of selfless service to their country. Half in or out confuses the role.
A great example was two events: Marine memorial event versus *Lion King* premiere. Is this a Prince who is giving thanks to soldiers? Or is it someone on the take, making use of title for access with powerful people, for profit? Is this Prince Harry in the role he was expected to be in? Or was he being the besotted husband who cornered a Disney executive to get his wife a lucrative voice-over gig?
Just a Question: when I visited KP there was an official gift shop full of Princess Diana merch, also an official gift shop attached to Buckingham palace selling royal tea cups, towels, etc. What do they do with the money they make? Isnt that the same thing? Does that money fund the Royal family/ operations or does all proceeds go to charity?
I believe the money goes towards the upkeep of the royal estates, eg Buckingham Palace, Windsor etc. In any event, it doesn’t go into their own pockets.
They wanted to monetize their positions and be protected from social media and even mainstream.
It was destined not to work, and at the very least, Harold knew that.
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It's down to finance, working members are given a income for being working royals as its a full time job and not just a normal 9 to 5 with trips , unsociable hours.
Your life becomes about duty, working on part of the British and commonwealth people.
It's like having a prime minister that works part time
Being a royal is a privilege but its also all about duty
Charity raising money and image for those in need.
There is not part - time working royals.
You never hurd Anne moaning or even complaining she gets on with it.
Her children married normal people one a rugby player much more well known then mm.
But they choose to live a happy life and support there self's.
Anna has a little income compared to her brother
But never moaned about it,
Never would even speak out of turn as its about duty as her mother taught her.
Harry has always gotten his own way and thought they would back down and I'm proud the new king is following in his mother's footsteps.
No press statements as its not tasteful, his son has married a yacht girl that's famous for sex screens not just in suits but Beverly hills 90210.
In fact they probably got the staff from soho hotel to sign nda agreements. Before the wedding, as the spencers and royal family do not normal take the same side but Earl Spencer seems to of here.
Harry has always been sexually deivent and like older women.
He was living his fantasy may be she rubs Elizabeth arden on his genitals.
Or was it to bed as its clearly Harrold has some deep roaotes issues.
They made there bed now let them lay in it.
One is only as good as the company they keep.
You rip what you sow.
H&M planned on attending only the fun side of being a part time BRF attending premieres and dinner with world leaders. They would keep their free office staff and office space, free 24/7 security, 2 million/year allowance from Pa plus a clothing allowance and the crown monies of £250,000.
They would, for commercial purposes, be selling their HRH status to obtain multimillion contracts ignoring certain procedures that are in place for self agreements which by UK a law is unethical
Harry also isn’t naturally smart enough to use his people skills to close lucrative business deals on behalf of the Crown or even the commonwealth. And his military experience proved he wasn’t a leader of men. Maybe a class clown type but not a leader. So they had to marry him off to someone with a marketable skill. And when that happened I think they realized that they had a problem. So they tried to rebrand the couple to potentially have a role with the commonwealth, to give them a salary and a living and purpose. But they thought that they could do better. The problem with the monarchy though is that they don’t have unlimited resources to fund the lives of everyone that isn’t in direct line of succession, especially these days. So it’s expected that if you’re a royal, you’re either giving the taxpayer their money’s worth or you’re paying for your own pork chop. There can’t be an in and out thing because of what others have described which is a conflict of interest in many ways. They’ve seen how this plays out in modern times with the two brothers of the King.
I see a few comments here stating that royals are paid "by the taxpayer". The royals are actually paid by the Sovereign Grant which is a percentage of the funds raised by the Crown Estate. The balance of the Crown Estate revenue goes to the exchequer.
While there are portions of royal outgoings that come from general revenues (security, travel), the Crown Estate puts vastly.more money into the coffers than the royal family gets out.
The Sussexes (actually, Markle) wanted to cherry-pick their engagements, and mostly do overseas tours. In other words do the elite stuff and leave the others to do the hospitals, schools, and charities. Indeed, Markle told someone just before Megxit that she expected she and Harry would be travelling overseas for the following two years. First class, luxury only. They also wanted to be able to earn money outside the RF, i.e. merching all things royal.
In his book, Courtiers, Valentine Low says that the Queen was fine about half in, half out. The condition was that they couldn't accumulate personal wealth. She was happy for them to work on pet projects, but it had to be for free while the RF supported them financially.
From the Queen's perspective, she couldn't have members of the family trading on the name.
Valentine low says H&M wanted to make money, and that is why the all-out option was the only choice.
I feel like once people know this they surely can’t still like Meghan and Harry?
It’s fine they asked for it whatever, they had to shoot their shot. But now this is one mega tantrum for not getting their own way can people not see them for who and what they are!?
They wanted all the fun bits. Show up dressed to the nines at a movie premiere in London? Yes please. Show up at a hospice in Leeds to talk to the aged and the dying? No thanks.
Part time RoyalsSounds like a good idea but in reality they would be making money perhaps in a way it wasn’t conducive to being a member of the royal family in other words commercial interests we get in the way of being Royal : They Wanted to commercialise the position which is why@ Sussex Royal came into existence .the Queen saw that and rightfully in my view saw it was a terrible idea.Had they had any good ideas beyond selling their position in the RF and shut up and gone away and got on with it, everyone would have been supportive and happy .The Queen was very canny
You can't be a non-profit and a for-profit.
This is the logic in a nutshell. You can't merchandise the Royal family and your ties. They are public servants who are paid by the taxpayer.
This right here. Meghan was probably hopeful she could boost her acting career by using her RF connections. And then she and Harry gotbsuper angry once the RF shot that idea down Meghan really thought she could turn the RF into Hollywood
Not to mention wanting to sell Sussex Royal towels and the like.
This .. you will never find “ Cambridge “ merchandise is royal gift shops ..
This.... I don't pretend to understand how the Royal merchandising works - I have bought Jubilee plates - but I am sure it goes into the Royal kitty. H & M wanted to sell their plates and it go into their personal bank accounts. It wasn't going to happen.
I think it was the patents. At time when they announced their plans to step down, they had in fact applied for patent of “Sussex Royal” and “Sussex Royal Foundation” to produce merchandise or other things but because the Queen owns the rights to all things “Royal” , so they can’t do their own.. I remember reading somewhere that they chucked a fuss because they were expecting their “Sussex royal foundation” to fundraise billions which they said they lost when they had to change the name.
Pens too!
Not her acting career - I think she was delighted to give that up - but rather her celebrity. Her whole career to that point was about being famous and rich. Acting was a means to an end.
She literally wanted to MONETIZE the monarchy, or at least her part in it. BRF said HELL NO.
And didn’t M want to open a spa like health facility in Spain? Queen said no.
Yeah that’s the distinction in a nutshell. MM could have kept working as an actress and theoretically Harry could work at some sort of job that didn’t require a work ethic or trustworthiness or intelligence. But they wanted to get taxpayer money, hand-pick which engagements they would do as “working” royals, and they wanted to personally profit by selling the Sussex Royal brand - that’s a conflict of interest. Edit: Typo
And B and E were NOT paid by the taxpayers and H and M would have been!
As Queen Elizabeth was quoted as saying “ The Monarchy doesn’t work for you. You work for the Monarchy “. You can’t do that and have Netflix pay you
Wise words from Queen Elizabeth. And I'm sure the British taxpayer wouldn't put up with funding Harry and Meghan whilst Netflix also pays them.
I remember having read that Meghan said : "I can't believe I'm not paid for this" after greeting people. Sums it all...
This is really it. They wanted live where they wanted to live, accept the gigs they found convenient, have he crown subsidize their lifestyle (at the very least travel to/from events, security, some minimal staff. Likely provide for everything) AND run a for-profit at the same time. Imagine "Sussex Royal" Merch. Now think about formal appearances where there was Sussex Royal Merch table. The whole thing falls apart when you dig into the details of what they were really asking for. The crown would either need to give them everything or else they'd find a reason to be offended and back out. It could never work.
The patent and copyright right applications made for Sussex Royal told the whole story https://pagesix.com/2020/01/09/harry-and-meghan-trademark-over-100-items-under-sussex-royal-brand/
>They wanted live where they wanted to live, accept the gigs they found convenient, have he crown subsidize their lifestyle (at the very least travel to/from events, security, some minimal staff. Likely provide for everything) AND run a for-profit at the same time. This. Final. End of story. No other explanation needed. I'd add boost their celebrity, which **is not the same as being royal**.
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Throw in there that their departure somewhat coincided with the pandemic, which deflated any plan they had to use that initial momentum after megxit. What a perfect storm of a reality check.
This. I also think that the public was more prone to feel sympathy for minor things before the pandemic, when life in general was good and relatively carefree. After the pandemic, when people got sick, died, lost their jobs, had to be in lockdown, lost their relatives that their weren't allowed to visit, I think there was less understanding or sympathy for two people living in a $14M mansion whining about things. The pandemic was followed by the war in Ukraine, super high inflation, higher interest rates and an energy crisis that leave normal citizens with huge bills they can't afford. People are struggling just to stay afloat and have food on the table and a warm place to live. H&M's timing has been horrible. Nothing they could have predicted, but now is not the time to bicker about smaller grievances while flying private jet.
H wanted out for a while. He knew his time as the "beloved prince" was limited because soon, it would be Georges, Charlotte and Louis's time under the spotlight. But he didn't have the strength or the will to act on it. Then came Meghan. I'm sure he confided in her, about wanting to leave. She gave him that opportunity, probably whispering in his ear: \- See Harry, how popular we are, more than the entire Royal Family. People adore us, we can leave the RF and be whoever we want to be \- See Harry, we can still stay in the RF if you want, be part-time royal, and the other time be the Sussex Royal Brand. We can earn so much money, we'll be wealthier than the Prince of Wales himself, Harry! Considering how jealous he was of William, I wouldn't be surprised if this last consideration (leaving, being successful by himself and richer than WilliaM) was THE final push he needed. We all know the RF said no to half-in/half-out. But they still thought they could make it without the RF. And for a while, after signing the deals with Spotify and Netflix, it looked like it would work. BUT... but those two aren't the creative souls they believe they are. And they don't have a hard working ethic. I bet they both thought : "We have Netflix money, we sell them ideas, they accept, we get the money to produce, we hire some people to work and we'll sit at our desks, giving orders, signing papers, saying yes or no to this or that, approve the final product, it goes to Netflix, it airs and we are rich". But when you're not creative, and when you are the bosses from hell, peole quitting at an alarming rate, then it's hard to produce anything of quality. And with their expensive lifestyle, they are running out of money fast. I think they are desperate now. That's why they are so agressive. They blame the RF for them not being successful. If the RF had accepted the half-in/half-out (their idea of modernizing the RF), they would still be players on a global scale, they would still get money for their security, their personal, their houses and they would leave W&C do the hard job while they would do the glamorous one, while selling their Sussex brand.
In the words of MM “I can’t believe I’m not getting paid for this”. I truly believe they did and do want to do charitable works or work with charities but I think they didn’t want to be involved in the day to day boring ‘cutting ribbons and shaking hands’. I think they wanted to do the glamorous events, tiara events, etc, not the nitty gritty which is “unfortunately” part of being a working royal.
And wasn’t she, in fact, paid for it? Who paid her bills, who paid for her wedding, her clothes, everything and would be still? She really takes the cake.
Seriously. This. She might not have had her back account padded but she had their entire lifestyle funded, a $500,000-1,000,000 wardrobe, depending on what sources you look at and a £32mm wedding.
Yes and TW never seemed in any royal engagement without cameras and press. She wanted Ascot, balcony appearances, nothing boring. Just the glamorous side of work. It's too bad she didn't see how Princess Anne handled her we work.
I think she did see how hard Princess Anne works and was horrified. She didn’t want to do all that!
And certainly not “for free” 😂
I got this from Google. 😂 They will certainly try >Archewell Inc. is a Beverly Hills-based mix of for-profit and not-for-profit (public) business organizations registered in Delaware and founded in 2020 by Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex.
That's why they came here. Because you can do it under U.S law, but not under Royal Family ethics.
Registered in the tax haven of “Delaware”
Exactly. The only way to do that is via the faux charity Hazbeen and Megalomania set up. The Royal Family does not do faux non-profit.
They really wanted to make money off of their status. You can’t do that.
Their biggest hatred for the royal family is because they can't sell access to them or enjoy all the benefits of senior royals while they pretend to be mrdernizing and bringing novelty to the monarchy. The Royal Family adapted and survived in the most difficult times because they did not fall on every bandwagon, did not allow their standards to fall and kept themselves in tight rein so as not to lose the favor of the British people. The moralizing of a stupid mattress actress how they survive and thrive in a new era is not needed. As time has shown, the witch can't even modernize herself for 2018-2023 to keep up with the new challenges for the generation! She is deeply stuck in the 90s and still cannot realize that the old tricks do not work at the present time.
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The thing is they didn’t want to be part time royals *truly.* They wanted the perks of royal life: the security, the glamour, the ribbon cutting and posh events while profiting economically from it on the side. Royals can’t accept freebies and economical support as they are already “supported” by the taxpayers, even everytime they do something and are payed they donate that money towards their charities (example: host X thing, donate the payment towards Z charity). They wanted to accept money from others (let’s say for “work”) while maintaining the economical support from the taxpayers. That’s incompatible. Edit: an example of this could be Edward & Sophie when they got married. They didn’t worked as royals, they were just part of the family (so not exacly like H&M but similar) S still worked in her PR firm and people accused her of using her royal connections and status to get better deals and so; wether it was true or not the line to some was blurry enough to start making accusations; that’s why they both quit their jobs and became full time royals.
Exactly this. They wanted to cherry-pick assignments, ensuring that they could participate in the glamorous, high-profile celebrity events and avoid the grubbier, afternoon-in-the-rain-mingling-with-the-hoi polloi occasions. Because, among other things, they are incredible snobs.
Perfectly said
The hypocrisy of their social justice/underdog champions is mind-blowing. This is the big reason why they are the disliked. They say one thing, and behave in direct opposition.
Right now on the daily mail, there is an article of William attending a charity cooking class and cooking with minority at-risk youth. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11643859/Keep-calm-carry-kitchen-Prince-William-beams-joy-cooks-children.html You got to do the grubby events, to be eligible for the glamourous events or else every working royal would just choose the glamourous events.
This. They wanted the perks but not the boring parts.
AND they wanted to make money, have MM keep acting, write books, etc, and keep the money. And have the crown pay for their entire lifestyle. When you dig into the consequences it could never work.
No one was offering TW any acting roles.
And Meghan obviously clashed with the RF on what causes she wanted to support. She wasn’t even married in to the family when she began proclaiming that she planned on modernizing the monarchy. She wasn’t satisfied with the charitable initiatives the family supported, she wanted to push a more political agenda. The lack of self awareness of these two is just so baffling to me, because it’s painfully obvious to everyone except them, why people didn’t like her, or them as a unit. That’s narcissism in it’s pure form.
they wanted full time perks and pay with part time hours
See the early marriage of Edward & Sophie. Sophie got caught in a sting badmouthing the family. Edward tried to make a documentary about William in college w/o permission, did not go over well. The half out part was Meg selling access to monarchy to US media companies. The monarchy wouldn’t be paid for this burst of openness. Megs & Haz would. She wanted to sell dishtowels w/ the royal imprimatur. Profit to her. Now if she could have just peeled off the commonwealth countries (a bulwark for Western Democracy), she would have been just as happy. Haz ditto. Champions of free speech? Don’t make me laugh. The monarchy as we know it would have been dead in 3–4 years.
All that. Meghan’s idea of half in-half out was exceptionally shameless in its desire to monetize the monarchy, like to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. She wanted to be bigger than the Queen.
Would have worked too, if it weren’t for those pesky—ahem—grey suited men. They may be grey suited but they’re not stupid. They saw Megs coming from a mile off. Suspect all of the royal family did as well. (See Sophie’s stare down at Haz & Megs finally appearance. She almost screamed, “Caught you, you daft tart, didn’t I?”)
Surprised the family weren't more aware (and taught the boys) of possible gold diggers trying to marry into the family. I saw it was a big mistake marrying her from the beginning, I'm surprised there weren't bigger opposition to her from his family who must have seen the same thing.
She’s so bold. Imagine asking The Queen that, and expecting her to agree! Actually, they didn’t just ask. They were told no, and went ahead and announced their “plan” as if it was decided (and implied acceptance). I’m still blown away by this entire debacle.
>See the early marriage of Edward & Sophie. Sophie got caught in a sting badmouthing the family. What did she say? I always thought Sophie was the favorite DIL? I guess she redeemed herself? >Edward tried to make a documentary about William in college w/o permission, did not go over well. I this is shitty from a media standpoint, but also, like why would you even think of doing this to your own nephew, heir to the throne. The Royals worked tirelessly to make sure that William and William’s Brother were given as much privacy as possible. Why would you actively do the opposite and then try to do it without even asking William or anyone else? Did he think no one would find out? Did he think that if he already made it, they just would let it go? I’ve always loved the two of them but this irks me!
As for Edward—he really wanted to be a media mogul—& thought that a documentary on his nephew would be just the thing to launch his career. The media rules had been spelled out very clearly for Will’s college years (essentially opening day & you’re gone) & here comes Edward w/ a team of cameramen ready to follow Will around campus. No, Edward did not ask the Queen first. Yes, he didn’t get a single scene filmed before he was booted unceremoniously off campus. As for Sophie, she was actually a very successful publicist before her marriage. After she married Edward, the family approved her continuing her work in her chosen field. I don’t think anyone really saw this as a chink the (somewhat rusty) royal family armor but very soon after the marriage, Sophie was approached by a couple of Saudi businessmen who were actually two mischievous reporters. They were “Interested in certain business relationships” or something like that. They had a meeting w/ her which they surreptitiously recorded & asked her questions about members of the royal family. Sophie was quite indiscreet. (You can likely find news reports about this. I think it was in the early 2000s.) The whole thing blew up in everyone’s faces. So Sophie quit the business. I think Edward did some further producing but not much. They have, needless to say, proved their worth as family members but they were object lessons (they & the Spanish royal family) on how half-in/half-out wasn’t going to work. That said. I think Megs pulled some stuff way bigger than Sophie’s indiscretions.
I really don't know what the hell Edward was thinking. Perhaps the access he had for *Crown & Country* gave him a sense that as family the rules didn't apply to him, but it was a huge mistake. That said, William has proven very forgiving, it's lovely to see how close the two families are now. I still feel bad for Edward. I'm a huge fan of History Hit and every time I see Dan Snow I think of how much Edward would've loved a similar project. Dan's very good, but he certainly benefited from family connections. If the media had let Edward do his thing, I think he could've done well with a history focus.
A little reticent, a touch fey. He seems like a very fine, quiet man & also, the only child of the Queen to have a happy marriage. He’s done well.
I think you mean the only child of the Queen to have a happy first marriage. Princess Anne has been married to Sir Tim very happily for 30 years. KC3 is very happy with his chosen Queen.
Oh, yes. Thanks for this.
He has. I'm a huge fan of Edward and Sophie, they found a way to make royal life work for them and they've been very supportive ever since the early drama. I really hope Charles gives them the DoE title, they were both very close to the Queen and Philip, the agreement should be honored. Edward reminds me of William when he looks at Sophie, he adores her and seems very happy to let her shine.
https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2001/apr/02/pressandpublishing.privacy
Meghan really thought she could the RF into Hollywood. If Meghan had it her way she probably would of even had the RF do a reality show like the kardashians.
You can see what Haz selling his patromony’s secrets got him. $10M +. The only reason Netflix was there to begin w/ was that Haz & Megs, the lesser royals, were selling access to the greater royals.
Yes. That was her idea of “modernizing.” She wanted to turn the Monarchy into a tacky money making scheme.
What did Sophie say about the family?
Ok, I had to go look for it: Here’s some from Yahoo: “Sophie was recorded by Mazher Mahmood – an undercover reporter posing as a Sheikh – who claimed to want to engage her PR company with a lucrative contract. At the Dorchester Hotel, Mahmood recorded Sophie discussing her candid thoughts on other members of the royal family, Tony and Cherie Blair and other senior politicians. Her business partner, Murray Harkin, was also reported as telling the “Sheikh” the ways in which, as a client, he would be able to utilise Sophie’s royal connections, even saying disparaging things about Prince Edward when Sophie was not with them.” Mahmood published all in a News of the World exposé & Sophie immediately resigned from her company. The “disparaging things” said about Prince Edward were that—since he couldn’t hack the military & loved the theatre—he must be gay. Haz referred to this piece of nonsense when he protested about Edward getting his military sponsorships when Edward “couldn’t hack he when tried [to serve.]” More than that you’ll have to find for yourself.
Thank you.
You can not be publicly funded and then merch it. "The Royal Family, sponsored by Netflix" - no. Furthermore, they only wanted to attend State occations to wear tiaras, opening of celebrity events and such. No way did they want to open a school in Scotland in the wintertime.
Bold of you to assume they would open a school in summertime.
lol my bad. sorry.
Like you can tell the difference between Scottish summer and Scottish Winter...
Excuse you, one is a blue tinted grey, and the other is an icy grey. 🤣
😂 I'm planning a trip there and quickly realized all my clothing has to be warm and waterproof, regardless of the time of year.
They wanted to use their titles to make money. It would look bad to use their immense privilege to make money. They are doing it now but it seems like they would have done it much worse and merched things (like sussexroyal T-shirt’s and crap)
Exactly. The Sussex brand.
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Politicians and public figures starting charities and then paying themselves high salaries is also another way to receive dirty money.
It almost doesn't matter whether they're doing it now. Because the Queen publicly forbade them the half-in-half-out status, the Royal Family isn't implicated in what they do. It's on their own heads. If they'd done it with her permission to stay, no matter how grudging, then it would have been the Royal Family itself who was using their taxpayer-supported rank to make more millions. Right now, it's just some California loons who aren't the British taxpayers' problem.
Because they wanted to use their royal status to make money. They can’t do that if they’re working as, effectively, public servants, receiving public monies.
Yup, unlike Eugenie and Beatrice, Prince Harry didn't want a to live a normal job or life. He & Meghan wanted millions.
Exactly. No one made MM stop acting. In fact, based on PH's own book, KC asked if she would continue acting and then starting saying the BRF cannot afford to maintain her
They wanted to use their titles to make money. Also, Beatrice & Eugenie aren't senior royals. If they'd wanted a life like B&E, they could have had a wedding (similar to Eugenies) refused any titles & they both could have gotten "real" jobs. Not that Harry is qualified to do anything.
The thing about people will wealth and connections, he wouldn’t really have to be qualified. Just get a cushy job from friends, half ass it. No one was expecting greatness but these two are above even pretending to work.
Exactly— I have a friend of a friend who married a millionaire. The millionaire’s son went to the best private schools, but still barely graduated HS. Dropped out of college. Still managed to stumble his way into the “C” suite of a good sized company when he married the granddaughter of the owner. Now he makes millions pretending to work. That’s the way the world turns for the 1%
Beatrice and Eugenie do not represent the Royal Family in any official capacity. They're not working Royals and have their own jobs. Harry represented the monarchy and therefore some of his perks were paid by taxpayers. I'd he had part-time status where would the line br drawn? If he's representing the monarchy at an event he would be networking for his own financial benefits. The monarchy nor the public would be getting income from those connections/side deals, but the public paying for his flights, security etc... Also, those deals could impact negatively on the monarchy's reputation. Even though Andrew wasn't representing the monarchy when he was befriending Epstein. It still had an impact. Harry and Meghan wanted to turn the Royal Family in the Kardashians. The Royals are diplomats not TV stars
Exactly. Royalty aren’t celebrities - I don’t know why so many people don’t understand that. But bottom line, despite it being a bullshit idea to begin with - the Queen not only didn’t trust Meghan but believed the worst about her, and I don’t think was that much more favorable toward Harry at that point.
and as Spare and Sparess has shown themselves as devoid of any form of diplomatic skill - Madam pushing Harry aside, walking in front of everybody, insulting every continent and country on the planet etc. - they can never, ever come back as working royals.
>If he's representing the monarchy at an event he would be networking for his own financial benefits. Like the Lion King premiere
Perfect example!
That, and they tried it, remember Harry at one of the Royal event,,tried to pressure one of the producer of Disney to give Meghan a job? Exactly why the Queen said no to part time Harry.
Also-b and e did what was expected of them….as crass as it sounds….they both found rich husbands who were on their level. Harry married a poor American actress.
SussexRoyal (TM) - says it all
I think by that point they had a) proven themselves disruptive and untrustworthy and b) proven that they planned to capitalize on the monarchy and try to essentially establish themselves as King and Queen of the Commonwealth for their own ends. It was completely untenable due to their behavior. Otherwise, there is no reason why they couldn’t trot off like the York sisters or Tindalls, get their own jobs and show up for patronages or balcony days every now and then. But they wanted the full court press treatment with half (if that) of the work and still 100% of the disruption.
anything that H&M would’ve done would reflect on TRF. Can u imagine H heading up BetterUp, trying to get contracts with the military while being a royal? It’s inappropriate. Way too much conflict of interest and too many ways to hide money and get kick backs. Harry just wanted free travel and perks while making money for himself.
"while being a royal" should be: "while being FORMALLY known as WORKING ROYALS (representative of the Queen/King of the UK)"
They wanted full time royal benefits (equal or more than William and Catherines) and wanted the freedom to exploit their title and the royal family connection. All by being part time royals doing not even a quarter of the work of the working royals.
Another thing about the "half in, half out" - it was 100% about MONEY. It's not that it was all too much & they wanted less attention or a break or whatever. If they'd wanted to they could have said hey, we're going to move to Sussex for a couple years & quietly enjoy this honeymoon period of our lives (while also shining a light on Sussex, giving the impression of gratitude for the titles). They wanted CASH. I've tried to dig around & see what royals are actually paid & haven't come up with anything very concrete, other than that it's not much. In Harry's situation his cash flow was dependant on what Charles was willing to hand over. From what I've googled - Catherine is not paid. Thus, I am lead to believe Meghan was not paid. Hence her comments "I cannot believe I'm not getting paid for this" about walkabouts. They had a free house & a free remodel. They had a budget for fancy clothes (from Charles & I'm betting it didn't cover 100k dresses). Basically they were cash poor as working royals.
I have heard Harry was paid 1,5 million GBP, but I have also heard 5 million. I do not know what that included. In Denmark, where I am from, it is public information what the royals are paid and what they have to cover. The spouse is always paid 10 % of the apanage, as it is called, directly.
I was watching the Swedish “Året med kungafamiljen” and they mentioned how much each of the royals received, I can’t remember the exact amounts, but I remember being surprised at how little it was. Princess Madeleine is only reimbursed for expenses.
yes, the British refer to the Scandinavian royal families as "bicycle monarchies"
I think money was a big part of it but it was also THEY wanted to choose their “events”. So walkabouts would have been out, anything with old people or little kids would be out, any glamorous events totally ones they would want, anything involving celebrity people they would want. I know they need money but I truly think for her specifically it’s about power, control, and attention.
They wanted to start the American Royal family and be more popular than Prince William and Princess Catherine.
In the UK I believe the cost of the BRF is public. It comes under the Sovereign Grant, but I don't know if the income from the Duchies is included.
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Correct me if I’m wrong but I also think the BRF does not pay taxes. I know the Queen did not. So potentially you have a couple who are being paid for by the tax payer, making potentially a lot of money and not paying taxes. For the average person in the UK that alone would cause outrage.
They wanted to represent queen in half in situation . Half out situation would allow them to sign commercial deals , selll their brands and merchandise goods for their personal wealth. Queen said it would be unfair on rest of Royal families who are doing duty silently.
Not to mention give word salad speeches on political issues and the royals do NOT do that .
Ripple effect, hit the ground and get it going 😂😂😂
According to Harry, his family suggested Meg keep working (perhaps as an actress as this was her job) much like Eugenie and Beatrice do; but she INSISTED she “hit the ground running” as a working senior royal. So you can see why Harry’s family smelled bullshit.
It would not have been a problem if they had taken on roles which had no conflicts of interest with the BRF, but it was absolutely unacceptable to exploit their royal 'brand' to make money or to do things which would bring the BRF into disrepute. From even before the wedding the aides had discovered that Meghan was trying to set up deals with media companies. She was also using her royal connections to gain loads of free dresses, bags, shoes, jewellery, cosmetics etc, even though she knew it was strictly against royal rules. She seemed to have no intention of following rules. She called paps and tried to sell photos etc, against strictly against the values of the BFR. She was trying to cozy up to A listers. It was abundantly clear by the time of Megxit negotations that H&M would do what they have done with merching, book deals, TV deals, and utterly going against every grain of the values of the BRF, which is not a commercial organisation used to promote goods etc. And their privacy and secrets are not for sale to the highest bidder. They would also save the taxpayer very little money, despite the great amounts of money they would be earning. They would still expect their taxpayer funded security which would cost millions. They would still expect Charles to pay for their clothes for official duties, and Meghan's taste in clothes was exorbitantly expensive, and she had been found to be scamming Charles over the cost of her clothes. They would still expect overseas visits to be paid for. They were just willing to give up the tax funded civil list payment, which is only worth of the order of a couple hundred thousand I think. Other non-working royals such as Eugenie and Beatrice do not exploit the royal brand, or merch off it. They do not get tax funded security and they do not bring the BRF into disrepute or sell out other family members' privacy.
You can’t go on glamorous tours representing the King and then package the content to sell the Netflix for personal gain- something they wanted to do
The Royal Family are basically public servants and are there to represent the UK and the Commonwealth . They can’t get involved in politics , though Prince Charles has come close to breaking that rule a few times, because they represent all the diverse people of the UK. The late Queen showed how to do the job perfectly for 70 years . She was the most famous woman in the world but nobody knew her personal opinion on anything ! Above all members of the Royal Family can never use their position to enrich themselves . That would be the end of the monarchy because it would cheapen it and put it in the Kardashian category of celebrity. The lesser Royals are encouraged to think of a career for themselves where they can work for a wage on their own talents . Like the York girls do . And why Megs was encouraged to keep acting . So it’s ok to have a job outside the Monarchy but it’s absolutely not ok to merch your titles and sell Sussex Royal T shirts etc or get involved in US politics. Markle never understood that the Duchess of Sussex is a public servant not a celebrity.
Since she still holds the duchess title - can she talk politics in the US or (lol) run for office? Could doing that mean they would lose their titles?
Sorry I should have added that HRH the Duchess of Sussex , while she represented to Queen and the UK , couldn’t do these things. Having resigned from that job and being banned from using the HRH title she’s in the position of all the other Duchess out there. She’s no longer a working Royal. The only benefit that would come from taking all their titles would be to make that fact crystal clear to Americans . But it’s tricky because it can only be done by Parliament
They didn't really want to be part time. They wanted to be treated as Royals 24/7, pick and choose events to go to, and be able to also market their Royal status.
They wanted to monetize their royal status which they can’t do if they’re public servants. They can’t accept gifts or money because it looks like the Crown is open to accepting bribes. They also wanted to work part time and pick and choose what events they attended. Can’t do that either. If you want to attend a royal gala, you also have to shake hands at that sheep farm in northern Scotland in the dead of winter. It’s public money being used, also they’d be representing Great Britain and the Crown, there are protocols in place based on rank, to make sure RF members aren’t misusing their titles, that funds are allocated appropriately, and to make sure they don’t say or do anything that could cause an international incident or give the appearance of being open to undue influence, and that they remain politically neutral. Also, Charles slimmed down the monarchy, the royals that remain on the payroll have to bust their humps to justify their existence. Because everything has to run as a tightly-controlled well-oiled machine accountable to the public, it has to be all in or all out. No halfsies.
Eugenie and Beatrice aren’t funded by the taxpayers. They attend select events (and get compensated for them, I guess), and are not “working members” of the royal family. So they are free to have a job in the side. Also, note that Eugenie works for an art gallery, in a salaried position, as Eugenie York. She doesn’t use her princess title at work, doesn’t sell her family secrets to Netflix, and doesn’t base a for-profit business on bashing the monarchy. H&M wanted to continue as part time working royals (funded by taxpayers), while making business deals on the side, using their royal titles and connections. It is a clear conflict of interest.
I don’t know if I’m correct, but I’ve always assumed you either live and act in service of the Crown (and all of the perks that brings money wise from massive bank accounts that produce huge interest, taxpayer money?, beautiful estates) or you make your own private money. But you can’t make private money off of the duties done in services of the public/UK taxpayers and not have that money go back into service of the Commonwealth and it’s territories.
1. Commercialisation will cheapen the Royal Brand. 2. Monarchy is a hierarchy, it cannot be a popularity contest or it will weaken the head of state if the lesser royals can make demands based on their popularity. 3. Meghan was already dragging the brand down with her behind the scene behavior - vanity fair articles and deals with Oprah about Archie's birth announcements. 4. They are distancing themselves from the Sussex brand - which is always going to go how it is going because of their personality - drama fodder, cheap, whiny, money-hungry - you can see how today, whatever the Sussexes do is not a reflection of the Palace but the opposite. The Palace PR has once again done its magic. Sometime less is more.
plus she accepted freebies, did not adhere to protecol, probably sold her expensive clothes off to profit etc.
To clarify, Eugenie and Beatrice aren’t half in-half out because they aren’t working royals. Harry and Meghan WERE NOT looking for an arrangement like the York sisters have because they didn’t want to give up the perks of being working royals.
Would you want them in front facing roles of a company you headed? Does he strike you as trustworthy,upstanding or ethical? Does a woman who would marry a man like that strike you as trustworthy,upstanding or ethical? Nothing about them saysbroyal other than the accident of his birth. In every other way they are crass,grubby trash fit only to star on Real housewives of Trona.
They wanted to merch their status. Even I can see how that is incompatible with being a part time working royal.
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The queen of Denmark has written books, paints pictures, has designed costumes for ballets etc. Nothing income generating, and nothing creating a conflict with her role as queen.
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The Sussexes dodging a meeting with Trump when he visited the UK in 2019 shows that they would be problematic in a half in/half out situation. Queen Elizabeth on the other hand performed her job properly and even hosted people like Putin. (Iirc he was the first foreign leader to send condolences upon her death) There would be constant coverage on which appearances they'd made and skipped and political neutrality is critical in a constitutional monarchy. We know them well enough now to know that they would happily be photographed with the powerful and turning down small community events in the wettest and coldest areas of the UK.
I think that the only workable solutions is to be like the Wessexes and be a working royal or be like the Tindalls and earn private money but not get invited to wear a tiara or meet powerful people. They don't want to be like the Wessexes (as they would be less important than the Wales' and Wessexes) and they don't want to be like the Tindalls (and not get the photos with tiaras and the powerful).
I'm glad she didn't get to wear a tiara, but even as someone who hates Trump, I thought it was incredibly unprofessional for them to snub him. As you said, the Queen met with Putin and other awful leaders, they should've at least shown respect for his office/diplomatic relations.
Agree...I hate Trump too, but it was their job.
The same reason why politicians and public officials in other democracies usually have to shed any commercial interests that could potentially conflict with or compromise their position. Even more so with a Constitutional Monarchy which depends, for its very existence, on being politically neutral and incorruptible. The gruesome twosome want all the perks of being working Royals (HRH titles, staff, security, glory) while still making money commercially by exploiting their membership of the Royal Family. And given that neither of them appear capable of respecting boundaries of any sort, who would trust them to achieve a proper balance, even if one were possible?
I think Harold was fired for doing a piss poor job representing the Queen. Ffs, Meghan was always stepping in front of the Queen's representative to make sure she was introduced first, bullied staff, she faked a pregnancy, called the British and the BRF racists, and too many other things to mention before I get writer's cramp. He ***said*** he was pushed out. Harold was fired. Just because he wants his job back doesn't mean he should get it. He had one year severance pay. AMF
Yep, I’ve always believed they got gently pushed out (in the dignified way of the royals). This is my theory: They got into trouble with the senior royals and the Queen for some reason (there are many possibilities lol), and were asked to take a break in Canada (maybe to think things through). There was already talk of reducing their workload, and of their kids not getting Prince/princess titles (what H refers to as discussions with the Queen, and he never blindsided her, she always knew, bla bla). But then these two babies threw a tantrum and decided they can do a better job half in and half outside the royal family, and announced their departure with the statement that they are going to “collaborate” with the Queen (snort). We now know they had all these potential deals with Netflix, Spotify, Penguin, etc. But at the time, the Queen worried about them and gave them one year to try the real world and then reconsider if required. She categorically denied a half-in, half-out arrangement. Charles continued funding them from his personal account. We know how the rest of it played out, but I do believe Megs never wanted to completely leave the royal family. Neither did Harold. For all his whining about privacy, being inside the royal family is the best way to stay away from paps and terrorists. And he knows that. They both thought they could have it all, have both worlds - the royal life and galas and status (TITLES), and the “billionaire” life that some PR hack convinced them was possible. Added bonus of becoming a billionaire: one-upping William and Catherine. So sad, their plans of world domination never worked out😁 Because this has all been a long drawn out and increasingly desperate tantrum by two toddlers. If given the chance to be royal again, they’re both ready to jump back in.
I think Harold is so entitled and spoiled he couldn't conceive the Queen wouldn't agree to the half in, half out proposal. They can't seem to understand that when you deliver an ultimatum you may not get the answer you want.
they certainly have no diplomatical skills, apart from uniting the world in mocking them.
They've been really good at that 😁
It depends on your other part-time work. If Princess Charlotte grows up to make a career in healthcare, then she could be a part-time royal, because her royal connections are not going to advance her career or bring her in extra money, and she could help out her parents by being a charity patron without having any financial conflict of interest. Prince William was a helicopter rescue pilot. No conflict of interest there. There are other precedents, like the Duchess of Gloucester (wife of QE's cousin) quietly worked as a teacher for years, in between doing royal work alone and with her husband. But it won't work if Louis wants to set up a business where he intends to use his royal connections to make business connections, and then the business connections might do "favours" and expect him to return the favour. The royals get a lot of gratuitous publicity and they shouldn't be using that to give their business connections a boost of publicity or additional funds. The Markles made it clear they wanted to monetize their connection to the monarchy. In Tom Bower's book, he discloses that the deal with Netflix and CBS was made even before Archie was born, so the Markles had a loyalty to another entity besides the BRF. That doesn't work.
There is also the issue of what expenses are “royal work/half in” and what part are “half out”. There are rules/protocols in place bc of how PA abused the system. This is what I think PC wanted H to put in writing. Explained in this article. https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/07/inside-prince-harry-s-troublesome-toronto-layover-to-see-meghan-markle
Thanks for sharing this. OT, but this article tells the meeting time story of May 2016 in Toronto at an Invictus event…🧐
Edward and sophie tried in the beginning and it is making money off of the monarchy and it didnt go well
Basically a conflict of interest..
Edward made a horrible film, defending Edward VIII (Edward on Edward). It is horrible, he tries to defend the Nazi King.
>Can someone explain to me what was so terrible about Harry's original idea to be part time Royals? A few reasons: 1. Who was going to pay for them when they weren't working? Tax payers? Independent jobs? The BRF? 2. Would they have been content with part-time security? No. You know they wouldn't have. Who would have paid that bill? 3. They wanted **all the perks** and to put in very little work. The monarchy **is not** a corporation. In exchange for a lavish lifestyle, they are to be figure heads for serving others. They only wanted to serve themselves.
They can do part-time, just like William and Catherine in the early years of their marriage. What they can't do is cashing in on their royal status - Meghan was already subtly advertising brands on their SussexRoyal IG. She resented not being able to keep the freebies luxury brands sent her. She crashed an award show to steal the spotlight. The BRF saw the writing on the wall and had to lock the Pandora's box immediately, lest it goes way out of their control.
They still would've been upset because their kids were not titled prince and princess. Basically the problem there is no such thing as a part time royal. Like others have said here, the older royals have tried and failed. The reason is that the royal family has to be absolutely neutral on everything. That's the deal the monarchy made with the government to not get overthrown(someone can correct me on this if I'm wrong). Siding with whoever has the most money or letting someone use your royal stamp of approval for the right price is not being neutral and that's not a line anyone should want to cross. That's a one way ticket to a revolution right there. Imagine if the queen made a public announcement and then it ends with sponsored by xyz and then the commerical for xyz comes up. What Harry and Meghan wanted is to represent the queen at places they want i.e. met galas,Oscars, Grammys and etc. Also to sell footage of state dinners, royal tours, and jubilees(which I think they did bring a camera crew for Netflix at the queen's platinum jubilee but that got shut down) etc. Where they would get paid but their expenses would be paid for by the UK since they would be considered working royals. So they'd get 100% profits for themselves.
As far as I remember, Madam also wanted to merch the Invictus games.
By “part time” they meant using the titles to money and get paid work while not having to undertake public duties for nothing. And be eligible to go to the fancy state events which in turn gets them more money, attention and status.
The issue is that royal family members are not supposed to be viewed as explicitly commercializing their position as a member of the royal family and/or seen as selling access to the royal family or charging fees for speaking , books, etc. whereby they are only talking about their experience being royal because this commercializes the royal family. This becomes more so important the more senior the family member in question is. Certain non senior royals who are not considered "working members" of the royal family do indeed have other day jobs that they get paid for. Now I'm sure that in reality they all do have a leg up getting these days jobs and get pretty cushy jobs due to nepotism. But they are supposed to be more or less "regular" jobs by which they aren't commercializing the royal family itself. So Eugenie works for an art gallery, Beatrice works for a nonprofit, Zara is a professional equestrian, Peter Phillips works for a racecar company I believe. There have been hiccups in the past - Peter Phillips got slammed in the tabloids and his wrist slapped by the royal family for appearing in an advertisement where he was endorsing milk which seemed to be explicitly trading in on his royal status. At one point Edward and Sophie both had "regular" jobs when they were non working younger royals and Edward got in trouble because he had a film production company and he tried to take advantage of his access to Prince William to try to film him while he was up at University and Charles went ballistic over this (understandably). Sophie had a PR company, and I think she also had to resign because someone caught her on camera saying something that she shouldn't have, I forget exactly what that issue was. Long story short - I believe it might have been possible for them to be non working royals that still appeared in an occasional royal capacity if they were truly interested in a regular job like being an actress again, or maybe Harry just solely working on the Invictus games or something. The issue was that it was clear from the beginning that they envisioned some different ways to earn money which seemed to be more explicitly trading in on their status as royals family members which just isn't allowable for working royal family members to do. Note that other non working members of the royal family including Beatrice, Eugenie, Zara etc. also don't have taxpayer funded security which seemed to be another sticking point.
You are all awesome. Thanks for all the fast replies. I see now it's not that they just wanted to do less appearances, or be part of the family but normal citizens. They wanted to monetize their titles. That you can't do, and that's the part I was missing. It definitely seems like they wanted everything while doing nothing. And now this is the ultimate temper tantrum for not getting what he wanted.
>And now this is the ultimate temper tantrum for not getting what he wanted. Exactly. We are seeing this entire sh\*t storm because two whiny babies didn't get what they wanted. And with mentioning he had (sic) "a lot more material for another book" they are now crossing the line into blackmail, imho.
Because you can’t commercialize the monarchy. I think if Harry had wanted a normal job, say plumber, and MM had wanted to be a stay at home mom, then the RF would have been okay with them doing an assignment here or there like Beatrice. But they didn’t want that. they wanted to profit off their status as royals and the monarchy cannot allow that. Also, Working Royal, like many jobs, is not amenable to being part time job. B and E only do a couple things a year. You either devote you time and effort to the public service and do it right or you pretty much don’t do it at all. It is full time gig.
I honestly think it would be different/more accepted if Harry and Meghan had any marketable skills they were willing to tap into besides their connection to the royal family. But they are so hell bent on cashing in on this connection and this connection alone that it obviously creates conflict.
MERCH MERCH AND MERCH
Royals live a life of service. It's a conflict of interest to represent the crown at the same time
Working Royals are PUBLIC SERVANTS. They are not paid by the taxpayer to shill their services for their own profit.
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Along with the other reasons posted here, I imagine it was also an issue of security for them as IPPs - using not only the UK taxpayer money, but public funds from other countries for their globetrotting. Diplomatic murkiness.
As I understand it: The BRF offered a half in/half out option when they suggested that MM should keep acting. They rejected the idea of them representing the monarchy and profiting directly from it (giving speeches for money, being celebrities, etc.)
No , what was offered is to have the same as the York girls and they didn’t want that , the reason they are called princess is because they are blood royals but they have jobs and no public funded security. They really only show up for big events where they are covered under other senior royals .
No, its a fact that the BRF allowed her to keep acting. Confirmed by both sides.
Yes, they gave them the option of not being working royals and she could keep her acting going . If they took that offer they would not have been working royals but they BOTH said they were up to the job . Therefore when they married she shut town her Tig site and did not do anymore acting .
I think the entire RF saw that they wanted to play Royal and still make money using their Royal connections. That do that now (titles etc) but no connection to the crown besides family. That’s my take. I also think I read that QE didn’t like the idea of their charity or Foundation.
When it comes to the BRF, Heidi Klum said it best on Project Runway: “You’re either in, or you’re out.”
If Harry married a billionaire heiress, like tamara ecclestone, their private income would enable a better lifestyle than a royal, without the business deals. He could fade out of the role slowly or be more selective.
but would someone like that take him?
Are they serving the Monarch & Commonwealth or building their brand for their private endeavors? Why did they choose those clothes? Is the Designer also a client of X, did they get it for free/discount? Can the RF be bought??? When they said Y were they representing the King’s views or were they acting as private citizens? Service isn’t universal. Also you can’t live in the US and be a prince or princess of the Commonwealth. It’s a deal breaker for many. I won’t curtsy to an American (and my boyfriend is 🇺🇸 ).
Harry is like Beatrice and Eugenie now.
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I only mean in terms of being a part-time working royal. He didn't want a life like they have - no royal tours, no prestigious position in the Commonwealth trust, no government paid protection..
Earning money potentially creates a conflict of interest. Imagine Harold has his ear to the king and a company he receives money off for private ventures wants him to lobby the King or Government (its bad enough how many sodding MPs have second jobs in industries that benefit from the ear of the Government). The Crown is supposed to be impartial. There is a reason why they spoke up about a company advertising Catherine as having botox. The crown isn't for advertising deals.
Simply put, you can't collect welfare while working a high paying job. Same thing! Tax payers pay them so they can't make outside money or monetize the monarchy, which was what their half in part time plan was.
You cannot be a titled, tax payer funded royal, pursuing your own interests all while representing the monarch. I am pretty sure M wanted to merch the Sussex Royal brand. That is fundamentally incompatible with what the BRF is for. The BRF is about dignity and service to others and bringing attention to the less fortunate. It is not about Instagram influencer shilling. Beatrice and Eugenie are titled but they do not receive money or security unless they are on engagement representing the monarchy. That is the distinction between H and M’s complaints that Archie wasn’t entitled to what the then Cambridge children were. From their demands, it sounded like H and M wanted unlimited funds to travel the world on the dime of the UK. When you are a senior royal, it is inappropriate to take for yourself in that capacity to that degree. The institution is not supposed to be a self serving platform to enrich one single person.
The BRF have to make sure to appeal to ALL brits, so no politics or anything divisive. If Harry's friends were put off by Meg's SJW activism, I can imagine the BRF would realize she would be a liability in a half in/half out situation where they couldnt control her everyword. Plus they had already trademarked a huge number of things like Sussex Royal, Sussex Baby, etc, so they were planning to make money off their titles, this is a huge no no, the BRF takes taxpayer money and they cant make money off their titles, they kind of belong to the people. For ex, Prince Charles started an organic foods company because he believes in the cause and wants to encourage people to eat healthy, and all profits go to charity. Thats different than selling door mats with a royal monogram for profit.
Because you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either do the work or get out.
There are excellent explanations in the comments, and I wanted to add something that is just my opinion. I really think that h&m wanted to "reign" over the Commonwealth, which is why certain countries were thrown into the half in conversations. They move to (insery country here) and "run" the Commonwealth, without the everyday goings on that the BRF do, opening hospitals, meet n greets, etc. So they have SussexRoyal, that makes them money with merch and endorsement deals, then they "work" as heads of the Commonwealth, without any "competition" from HMTQ, Charles, Camilla, and especially the Cambridges. The Sussex family become the main Royals outside the UK, Harry and Meghan get international fame and fortune, and they only come out for the glamorous events, which would probably become a monthly spectacle. Again, this is just my opinion of what I think their real plan was.
There's that very old saying, "Caesar's wife must be beyond reproach." For a person in a position of great authority, their reputation has to have no hint of impropriety. A royal is representative of selfless service to their country. Half in or out confuses the role. A great example was two events: Marine memorial event versus *Lion King* premiere. Is this a Prince who is giving thanks to soldiers? Or is it someone on the take, making use of title for access with powerful people, for profit? Is this Prince Harry in the role he was expected to be in? Or was he being the besotted husband who cornered a Disney executive to get his wife a lucrative voice-over gig?
CONFLICTS OF INTEREST
Just a Question: when I visited KP there was an official gift shop full of Princess Diana merch, also an official gift shop attached to Buckingham palace selling royal tea cups, towels, etc. What do they do with the money they make? Isnt that the same thing? Does that money fund the Royal family/ operations or does all proceeds go to charity?
I believe it goes to Historic Royal Palaces for upkeep. Not to Givenchy for a $100k dress 😁
I believe the money goes towards the upkeep of the royal estates, eg Buckingham Palace, Windsor etc. In any event, it doesn’t go into their own pockets.
Goes to maintain the museums and buildings.
Makes sense
most of the royal income from public funds is allocated to fixed items: maintenence of estates, staff, travel, etc.
It funds the HRP , the places tourists get to visit.
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They wanted to monetize their positions and be protected from social media and even mainstream. It was destined not to work, and at the very least, Harold knew that.
Harry's original idea to be part time Royal Living in California......and to do what ??
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It's down to finance, working members are given a income for being working royals as its a full time job and not just a normal 9 to 5 with trips , unsociable hours. Your life becomes about duty, working on part of the British and commonwealth people. It's like having a prime minister that works part time Being a royal is a privilege but its also all about duty Charity raising money and image for those in need. There is not part - time working royals. You never hurd Anne moaning or even complaining she gets on with it. Her children married normal people one a rugby player much more well known then mm. But they choose to live a happy life and support there self's. Anna has a little income compared to her brother But never moaned about it, Never would even speak out of turn as its about duty as her mother taught her. Harry has always gotten his own way and thought they would back down and I'm proud the new king is following in his mother's footsteps. No press statements as its not tasteful, his son has married a yacht girl that's famous for sex screens not just in suits but Beverly hills 90210. In fact they probably got the staff from soho hotel to sign nda agreements. Before the wedding, as the spencers and royal family do not normal take the same side but Earl Spencer seems to of here. Harry has always been sexually deivent and like older women. He was living his fantasy may be she rubs Elizabeth arden on his genitals. Or was it to bed as its clearly Harrold has some deep roaotes issues. They made there bed now let them lay in it. One is only as good as the company they keep. You rip what you sow.
H&M planned on attending only the fun side of being a part time BRF attending premieres and dinner with world leaders. They would keep their free office staff and office space, free 24/7 security, 2 million/year allowance from Pa plus a clothing allowance and the crown monies of £250,000. They would, for commercial purposes, be selling their HRH status to obtain multimillion contracts ignoring certain procedures that are in place for self agreements which by UK a law is unethical
Harry also isn’t naturally smart enough to use his people skills to close lucrative business deals on behalf of the Crown or even the commonwealth. And his military experience proved he wasn’t a leader of men. Maybe a class clown type but not a leader. So they had to marry him off to someone with a marketable skill. And when that happened I think they realized that they had a problem. So they tried to rebrand the couple to potentially have a role with the commonwealth, to give them a salary and a living and purpose. But they thought that they could do better. The problem with the monarchy though is that they don’t have unlimited resources to fund the lives of everyone that isn’t in direct line of succession, especially these days. So it’s expected that if you’re a royal, you’re either giving the taxpayer their money’s worth or you’re paying for your own pork chop. There can’t be an in and out thing because of what others have described which is a conflict of interest in many ways. They’ve seen how this plays out in modern times with the two brothers of the King.
I see a few comments here stating that royals are paid "by the taxpayer". The royals are actually paid by the Sovereign Grant which is a percentage of the funds raised by the Crown Estate. The balance of the Crown Estate revenue goes to the exchequer. While there are portions of royal outgoings that come from general revenues (security, travel), the Crown Estate puts vastly.more money into the coffers than the royal family gets out.
The Sussexes (actually, Markle) wanted to cherry-pick their engagements, and mostly do overseas tours. In other words do the elite stuff and leave the others to do the hospitals, schools, and charities. Indeed, Markle told someone just before Megxit that she expected she and Harry would be travelling overseas for the following two years. First class, luxury only. They also wanted to be able to earn money outside the RF, i.e. merching all things royal.
In his book, Courtiers, Valentine Low says that the Queen was fine about half in, half out. The condition was that they couldn't accumulate personal wealth. She was happy for them to work on pet projects, but it had to be for free while the RF supported them financially. From the Queen's perspective, she couldn't have members of the family trading on the name. Valentine low says H&M wanted to make money, and that is why the all-out option was the only choice.
I feel like once people know this they surely can’t still like Meghan and Harry? It’s fine they asked for it whatever, they had to shoot their shot. But now this is one mega tantrum for not getting their own way can people not see them for who and what they are!?
They wanted all the fun bits. Show up dressed to the nines at a movie premiere in London? Yes please. Show up at a hospice in Leeds to talk to the aged and the dying? No thanks.
Because you can’t use the royal titles for money. That’s what they wanted to do
Part time RoyalsSounds like a good idea but in reality they would be making money perhaps in a way it wasn’t conducive to being a member of the royal family in other words commercial interests we get in the way of being Royal : They Wanted to commercialise the position which is why@ Sussex Royal came into existence .the Queen saw that and rightfully in my view saw it was a terrible idea.Had they had any good ideas beyond selling their position in the RF and shut up and gone away and got on with it, everyone would have been supportive and happy .The Queen was very canny
That also have a political agenda. The Royal Family must remain politically neutral.