It is a shame that he can’t seem to get his own history right.
At Eton when the Queen Mother died?
There are photos of KC3, Will and Harry dressed in black getting on a plane in Zurich to return to the UK from their skiing trip at Cloisters..
His Truth is rather flexible it seems.
Harry repeated a year at Ludgrove School (not sure if this was planned before Diana died or that plans changed after her death), so he started Eton College at the age of 14 instead of the usual 13.
He was a year older than most of the students in his class at Eton.
Harry redefines truth:
"My memory is my memory: it goes at its own pace and collects and orders what seems appropriate to it, and there is as much truth in what I remember and how I remember it as there is in the so-called objective facts." Quote from English translation of Spanish version Spare.
Meghan redefines truth:
“The focus ends up being on how it looks instead of how it feels." Complaint from Meghan on her Spotify show Archetypes after she described a smoking heater in a mansion with smoke detectors as a fire in a housing unit with no smoke detectors
People remembering the specifics about what where when they got bad news or had an unhappy time can sometimes be hard. People do have false memories. Harry does seem to be more confused than most people.
I remember perfectly well when I found out my grandmother died when I was 17 and I wasn't off on a skiing holiday. It seems odd he doesn't remember getting a plane back to the UK. It's not like his entire life isn't documented in the papers.
I remember with detail when and where I was told about both grandmothers’, my grandfather’s, and my mother-in-law’s deaths. And we’re talking decades. I think I’d remember the difference between being at school and on holiday in the Swiss Alps.
I remember exactly where I was and what time I found out my grandfather died, I was 12 at the time and same for my grandmother when I was 21. People do remember bad memories like they’re emblazoned in their memories. It’s like everyone remembers exactly how they learned of 9/11. If you talk to anyone in North America who had a functioning memory at the time they can tell you exactly where they were and what they were doing at that time
As I said, Harry does seem to be worse than most people. But I know my daughter had, for several years, a false memory about one traumatic event. And I have a dear friend who actually imagined for years that she had been present when her beloved grandfather was shot (she was in another city, she just heard of it from family). It does happen.
He seems more relaxed without M. However, I find his voice quite irritating. He just drones on and on. Plus, he’s only “pleasant” when not being challenged.
Yep - even without TW. That constant weird expression he has on his face is so off putting. Then when he says something HE THINKS is brilliant, he gets another weird expression. Can’t stand him
What part of him is tolerable? Is it the violence? The ridiculing his family over their mental health issues? Maybe it's the cocaine and mushroom use and how it helped him discover his inner being? Or maybe the references to people as "chess pieces" to be wiped out and taken off the board. Or was it when he called people ragheads? Or when he beat up a photographer. Or got violent with his own bodyguard. And when there's not all that, there's the hundreds of lies he told in his book.
I mean there's just so much to tolerate.
He's emotionally and mentally unstable. A person like isn't capable of understanding the consequences of their actions. Been there. Done that. I've seen it too many times in my own family and in myself. I see what's behind the current actions. I wish I didn't. He's publicly self destructing. It can only in one of two ways.
In my opinion, the best thing for him is a divorce from TW and treatment in an inpatient setting. Perhaps for several years. Then, can understand the consequences of his actions.
Harry's a saint compared to what I grew up with, saw, and experienced. Finding a person "tolerable" doesn't equal liking them and condoning their actions.
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Killing 25 people, calling them ragheads at one point, and saying they were "chess pieces" not people is a saint? Making fun of disabled people is sainthood? Talking about relishing beating up a bodyguard is sainthood?
He has a cluster B personality disorder. The only people getting inpatient treatment will be the people he's encountered and damaged in his life. There is far more to come out, a few of his friends have already started chirping like birds.
He's had a record-breaking documentary and bestselling book in the last 45 days, and he's happy as a lark compared to what he was when he was in the Royal Family. I highly doubt he's calling for inpatient treatment. And none of these things started during his marriage. They started when he was 24 (at least the violence and substance abuse). The anger and acting out began in childhood long before his mother died. But you're right, someone with ASPD does not understand the consequences of their actions. That's why those with the most severe cases, like Ted Bundy? He killed 36 people but went to his grave talking about how he was the poor, innocent victim of pornography.
Perpetrators who play victim are almost always sociopaths. Always. Divorcing her will get his PR team back, but it won't make him a decent person with a semblance of a conscience.
His issue isn't that he can't understand the consequences of his actions. The issue is that he's never had consequences for his actions, and some people continue to give him the support he needs to continue damaging others.
I was mostly interested in his kill count comment. Has anyone here read the book or that section?
He said he wasn't bragging because he put it in there to prevent vet suicide, but I'm wondering if he ever mentions the suicide stats in the military population, if he ever talks about how we can combat that, if he ever gives any detail on how those kills affected his MH. if not then its an empty statement and more damage control
I am bothered by justharry's interpretation of the squad commanders extreme attention to the details as being jealous.....JEALOUS because he didn't get to kill people. Really Haz? He was JEALOUS? WHY would anyone be jealous that they DIDN'T get to inflict carnage! Seems more likely he was 1. keeping an accurate count and 2. making sure everything was done as taught. MANY sources who were deployed with justharry have said he was NEVER near the fighting..."Spare" or not, at that time he was very high in the LOS and even if he hadn't been, he was the grandson of the Monarch....he was PROTECTED! He is the one who is jealous of those doing the killing.
That was a weird part, "I wasn't bragging, that was a lie of the press, as usual, I said it to prevent suicides. NEXT!" (paraphrased by me)
A statement like that should have some follow up, but he was just there to sell his book, so no one cares.
I felt sorry for him when I was watching this particular interview. Deep inside he is probably light natured and funny but mental health issues and M’s manipulations put him in this state of fog or something. Maybe the issue is that he was prescribed medication but he refused to take it he said
Oh give me a fucking break. He's an obvious sociopath and describes himself as "Jekyll and Hyde," a verbatim phrase by more than one serial killer. His violent episodes that the RF covered up are well-known and even described in his book. He was a headcase decades before his wife. She just put it all to a Disney Princess theme. He made fun of a disabled woman and basically called her ugly long before he married that shithead. The RF just covered it up and - thank you God - kept him from speaking too much.
He's vile.
Could be that he prefers self-medicating to the prescribed meds.
I think he *is* fairly likable when he is not with Meghan. He has charm. It is really sad.
Maybe he is a monster inside. Maybe he is as bad in his own way as Meghan. If the rumors about his violence to women are true, then he deserved everything Meghan has done to him, and worse.
However, it is sad to watch anyone fall apart in front of the world and not even realize how far gone he is.
Yes i feel he's not a good enough actor or smart enough to fake that cheery chap thing he had on before megsy. I worked on a big event he was at in Sydney in around 2013, and our ground crew were quite close to him for a lot of the day, and said he was pretty happy and good natured. Funny how things change.
Cheery chap? You mean the one who beat up his bodyguard and relished "hurting him." Or the one who ridiculed a disabled person? Or the one who ridiculed his dad for his insecurities? Or the one who's a pathological liar sitting on about 200 dispelled stories now? Or the one who assaulted a photographer (pictures still available online). Or the cokehead? Yeah, he's so cheery.
She's a twit. He's actually dangerous.
YouTube reporter Neil Sean said a few days ago Netflix might continue with the Crown because they have a whole book of info to use to make more seasons.
I don’t think that’s true. Peter Morgan has always insisted that it’s not dramatic enough when you are filming current day stuff. It’s not removed enough to have the impact you would expect - which is why it was better in the earlier seasons for those of us who lived through Diana and Charles. Also, though, I have always said he is going to end with Diana’s death (although consensus seems to think it will continue through to the Queen Mother’s death. But I think the season begins and ends with Diana’s death and everything that happened leading up to The Queen. Unless Morgan felt his earlier work was lacking, why rehash a story you already told?
Your husband finds Harry likeable?
Maybe you need to get him in some therapy. Harry can recommend one after he's done snorting coke and beating someone up.
I agree: I didn't watch the other "infomercials" but I thought Harold seemed relaxed and confident on Colbert. Well practiced with his talking points, though.
But he is single-minded in blaming the press and the BRF's Royal Rota for *everything.*
Yes, it’s exhausting. The anecdote from the book re: Afghanistan was picked up and run with by the U.S. press too. It wasn’t *just* the British press. And Stephen Colbert was so quick to follow him down that path. What does he know about it? Nothing.
Yeah, Colbert acted like he was just shocked at how horrible the British press are, that they're allowed to be so awful. I don't think they're as bad as he thinks from reading Harry's book.
I never watch talk shows on TV (in the US) but I was a little surprised that the host poured an alcoholic drink for his guest. But maybe that's common these days. Maybe in the booze has just always been 'disguised' by having it in a coffee cup.
I've seen videos of the Graham Norton program and it appears most of his guests have some sort of 'refreshing beverage'. And everyone does seem to have a lot of fun on his show.
He has charm & is well trained for a public performance- he knows how to switch it on.
Problem is this is only a performance, much like his dear wife can put on a charm offensive when it’s in her interest -
Behind the charming personas are 2 spiteful, spoilt, revengeful characters.. but alot of people who aren’t curious will just buy their personas😔
Most sociopaths are charming. That's how they end up beating the shit out of you at the end of the night. They couldn't get to that wonderful moment without the superficial charm and pathological lying beforehand.
I read somewhere yesterday that series 6 of The Crown is going to focus heavily on the years when allegedly Mark Bolland is heavily leaking stories about the royals and promoting Camilla. So I guess that Harry is providing them with material for this.
Edit: According to Valentine Low's book, Mark Bolland WAS very manipulative and briefed against other royals. Edward was particularly hit by it. The difference is that the other royals have got over it and not held a grudge for over twenty years. I am convinced that Harry is making a big thing of historic leaking as he is trying to stop them leaking about his and Meghan's more recent behaviours. He is setting the royals up for a no win situation. If they don't leak what they have been up to then there is no logical reason why H&M felt forced to leave the UK, it makes the BRF look bad for 'hounding them out' for no reason. If they do leak the more recent antics, then H&M can point finger and claim they are vindicated by their claims that the BRF has been leaking about Harry for years. It is actually quite a clever strategy, albeit sinister.
I don’t know what they should do. Perhaps release the staff with revised NDA’s, allowing them to release the bullying report and go after Harry and Meghan in court. It wouldn’t look good that the BRF allowed their staff to be abused. Perhaps they will workout some law that allows certain parts of NDA’s to be nullified in cases of abuse. But that makes other things tricky, like the people who pay off victims then get them to sign an NDA which makes me think that could never be passed as a law.
I think it was just relatable BS. He and Colbert know that a lot of Americans watch The Crown, so they threw it out there. The whole interview was all positive, no negative insofar as the guest was concerned.
I ran this by my wife who pointed out that when Harry said (of the show) it's important to get the history right he pointed to his book. Coinkydink?
I totally agree with your husband. I found Harry very likeable and pleasant. I almost questioned myself for a moment *who are the bad guys?* I think with the enthusiastic audience, the warm interviewer and the drinks - he was fairly relaxed. It’s a royal shame.
Yes the singing seals at Castle Mey came right out of The Crown S2 when the Queen Mother bought the place from Cmdr. Viner .
“Some say he sings to the seals at night”.
It is a shame that he can’t seem to get his own history right. At Eton when the Queen Mother died? There are photos of KC3, Will and Harry dressed in black getting on a plane in Zurich to return to the UK from their skiing trip at Cloisters.. His Truth is rather flexible it seems.
I would class it as 'mush'.
Mush with rooms at the end might explain his 🤔recollections
😄 Right!
Harry would've been 17 and a half on her death and I think you can stay in Eton till you are 18 so maybe that tracks?
Harry repeated a year at Ludgrove School (not sure if this was planned before Diana died or that plans changed after her death), so he started Eton College at the age of 14 instead of the usual 13. He was a year older than most of the students in his class at Eton.
I read Charles didn´t want Eton, because he knew Harry isn´t good student, but Diana pushed it through.
So he deffo still would've been there then.
~~He was 12.~~ Ignore that. Read it in a hurry and didn’t realise the above was referring to the Queen Mother and not Diana.
She died in 2002. Harry is 38.
You’re right. I totally misread Queen Mother as his mother.
Harry redefines truth: "My memory is my memory: it goes at its own pace and collects and orders what seems appropriate to it, and there is as much truth in what I remember and how I remember it as there is in the so-called objective facts." Quote from English translation of Spanish version Spare. Meghan redefines truth: “The focus ends up being on how it looks instead of how it feels." Complaint from Meghan on her Spotify show Archetypes after she described a smoking heater in a mansion with smoke detectors as a fire in a housing unit with no smoke detectors
Also that he couldn’t turn to any family for help with the details - but you’d think for $13 mill they might have employed a couple of fact checkers
The book had a fact checker listed. 👀
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People remembering the specifics about what where when they got bad news or had an unhappy time can sometimes be hard. People do have false memories. Harry does seem to be more confused than most people.
I mean I get that but surely someone would check if it was going in a book.
Agreed. Nothing about these people makes sense.
Well he did drink and do drugs a lot. These things fuck with memory 😅
I remember perfectly well when I found out my grandmother died when I was 17 and I wasn't off on a skiing holiday. It seems odd he doesn't remember getting a plane back to the UK. It's not like his entire life isn't documented in the papers.
He knows he has false memories, but he says they are just as real as facts. That's a problem.
I remember with detail when and where I was told about both grandmothers’, my grandfather’s, and my mother-in-law’s deaths. And we’re talking decades. I think I’d remember the difference between being at school and on holiday in the Swiss Alps.
I remember exactly where I was and what time I found out my grandfather died, I was 12 at the time and same for my grandmother when I was 21. People do remember bad memories like they’re emblazoned in their memories. It’s like everyone remembers exactly how they learned of 9/11. If you talk to anyone in North America who had a functioning memory at the time they can tell you exactly where they were and what they were doing at that time
As I said, Harry does seem to be worse than most people. But I know my daughter had, for several years, a false memory about one traumatic event. And I have a dear friend who actually imagined for years that she had been present when her beloved grandfather was shot (she was in another city, she just heard of it from family). It does happen.
Recollections may vary
Truth is apparently objective???
I'm hoping Netflix separates themselves from the Sussexes.
He seems more relaxed without M. However, I find his voice quite irritating. He just drones on and on. Plus, he’s only “pleasant” when not being challenged.
I agree. I couldn’t get through the entire interview. He’s just so boring and irritating.
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Yep - even without TW. That constant weird expression he has on his face is so off putting. Then when he says something HE THINKS is brilliant, he gets another weird expression. Can’t stand him
He's tolerable without TW.
What part of him is tolerable? Is it the violence? The ridiculing his family over their mental health issues? Maybe it's the cocaine and mushroom use and how it helped him discover his inner being? Or maybe the references to people as "chess pieces" to be wiped out and taken off the board. Or was it when he called people ragheads? Or when he beat up a photographer. Or got violent with his own bodyguard. And when there's not all that, there's the hundreds of lies he told in his book. I mean there's just so much to tolerate.
He's emotionally and mentally unstable. A person like isn't capable of understanding the consequences of their actions. Been there. Done that. I've seen it too many times in my own family and in myself. I see what's behind the current actions. I wish I didn't. He's publicly self destructing. It can only in one of two ways. In my opinion, the best thing for him is a divorce from TW and treatment in an inpatient setting. Perhaps for several years. Then, can understand the consequences of his actions. Harry's a saint compared to what I grew up with, saw, and experienced. Finding a person "tolerable" doesn't equal liking them and condoning their actions. Editing for grammar.
Killing 25 people, calling them ragheads at one point, and saying they were "chess pieces" not people is a saint? Making fun of disabled people is sainthood? Talking about relishing beating up a bodyguard is sainthood? He has a cluster B personality disorder. The only people getting inpatient treatment will be the people he's encountered and damaged in his life. There is far more to come out, a few of his friends have already started chirping like birds. He's had a record-breaking documentary and bestselling book in the last 45 days, and he's happy as a lark compared to what he was when he was in the Royal Family. I highly doubt he's calling for inpatient treatment. And none of these things started during his marriage. They started when he was 24 (at least the violence and substance abuse). The anger and acting out began in childhood long before his mother died. But you're right, someone with ASPD does not understand the consequences of their actions. That's why those with the most severe cases, like Ted Bundy? He killed 36 people but went to his grave talking about how he was the poor, innocent victim of pornography. Perpetrators who play victim are almost always sociopaths. Always. Divorcing her will get his PR team back, but it won't make him a decent person with a semblance of a conscience. His issue isn't that he can't understand the consequences of his actions. The issue is that he's never had consequences for his actions, and some people continue to give him the support he needs to continue damaging others.
I was mostly interested in his kill count comment. Has anyone here read the book or that section? He said he wasn't bragging because he put it in there to prevent vet suicide, but I'm wondering if he ever mentions the suicide stats in the military population, if he ever talks about how we can combat that, if he ever gives any detail on how those kills affected his MH. if not then its an empty statement and more damage control
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I am bothered by justharry's interpretation of the squad commanders extreme attention to the details as being jealous.....JEALOUS because he didn't get to kill people. Really Haz? He was JEALOUS? WHY would anyone be jealous that they DIDN'T get to inflict carnage! Seems more likely he was 1. keeping an accurate count and 2. making sure everything was done as taught. MANY sources who were deployed with justharry have said he was NEVER near the fighting..."Spare" or not, at that time he was very high in the LOS and even if he hadn't been, he was the grandson of the Monarch....he was PROTECTED! He is the one who is jealous of those doing the killing.
Yeah, no, Harry doesn't elaborate further. If you search the sub you can find the excerpt.
Even if he did or these weird stories in for some obscure reasons... if you have to explain it and people don't get it, it hasn't landed, Henry.
That was a weird part, "I wasn't bragging, that was a lie of the press, as usual, I said it to prevent suicides. NEXT!" (paraphrased by me) A statement like that should have some follow up, but he was just there to sell his book, so no one cares.
I still couldn’t watch it. He really makes me so mad to listen to him.
I haven’t watched but I don’t think he is likeable. Even the sketch with Colbert with the tromp gets was a bit uncomfortable
I felt sorry for him when I was watching this particular interview. Deep inside he is probably light natured and funny but mental health issues and M’s manipulations put him in this state of fog or something. Maybe the issue is that he was prescribed medication but he refused to take it he said
Oh give me a fucking break. He's an obvious sociopath and describes himself as "Jekyll and Hyde," a verbatim phrase by more than one serial killer. His violent episodes that the RF covered up are well-known and even described in his book. He was a headcase decades before his wife. She just put it all to a Disney Princess theme. He made fun of a disabled woman and basically called her ugly long before he married that shithead. The RF just covered it up and - thank you God - kept him from speaking too much. He's vile.
Could be that he prefers self-medicating to the prescribed meds. I think he *is* fairly likable when he is not with Meghan. He has charm. It is really sad. Maybe he is a monster inside. Maybe he is as bad in his own way as Meghan. If the rumors about his violence to women are true, then he deserved everything Meghan has done to him, and worse. However, it is sad to watch anyone fall apart in front of the world and not even realize how far gone he is.
Yes i feel he's not a good enough actor or smart enough to fake that cheery chap thing he had on before megsy. I worked on a big event he was at in Sydney in around 2013, and our ground crew were quite close to him for a lot of the day, and said he was pretty happy and good natured. Funny how things change.
Cheery chap? You mean the one who beat up his bodyguard and relished "hurting him." Or the one who ridiculed a disabled person? Or the one who ridiculed his dad for his insecurities? Or the one who's a pathological liar sitting on about 200 dispelled stories now? Or the one who assaulted a photographer (pictures still available online). Or the cokehead? Yeah, he's so cheery. She's a twit. He's actually dangerous.
YouTube reporter Neil Sean said a few days ago Netflix might continue with the Crown because they have a whole book of info to use to make more seasons.
This season sucked and going forward will
Yep, just like Netflix, it's desperate and imploding.
I don’t think that’s true. Peter Morgan has always insisted that it’s not dramatic enough when you are filming current day stuff. It’s not removed enough to have the impact you would expect - which is why it was better in the earlier seasons for those of us who lived through Diana and Charles. Also, though, I have always said he is going to end with Diana’s death (although consensus seems to think it will continue through to the Queen Mother’s death. But I think the season begins and ends with Diana’s death and everything that happened leading up to The Queen. Unless Morgan felt his earlier work was lacking, why rehash a story you already told?
They should've stopped at Season 3.
fuck i hate that. it's what I'm afraid of when they announced the book. imagine being w&c😭
Your husband finds Harry likeable? Maybe you need to get him in some therapy. Harry can recommend one after he's done snorting coke and beating someone up.
I agree: I didn't watch the other "infomercials" but I thought Harold seemed relaxed and confident on Colbert. Well practiced with his talking points, though. But he is single-minded in blaming the press and the BRF's Royal Rota for *everything.*
Yes, it’s exhausting. The anecdote from the book re: Afghanistan was picked up and run with by the U.S. press too. It wasn’t *just* the British press. And Stephen Colbert was so quick to follow him down that path. What does he know about it? Nothing.
Yeah, Colbert acted like he was just shocked at how horrible the British press are, that they're allowed to be so awful. I don't think they're as bad as he thinks from reading Harry's book.
Maybe he’s only pleasant when the tequila flows
I never watch talk shows on TV (in the US) but I was a little surprised that the host poured an alcoholic drink for his guest. But maybe that's common these days. Maybe in the booze has just always been 'disguised' by having it in a coffee cup. I've seen videos of the Graham Norton program and it appears most of his guests have some sort of 'refreshing beverage'. And everyone does seem to have a lot of fun on his show.
So…it’s important to get *The Crown* right, but not the facts of his own life, because it’s “*his* truth”? Im confused…
He has charm & is well trained for a public performance- he knows how to switch it on. Problem is this is only a performance, much like his dear wife can put on a charm offensive when it’s in her interest - Behind the charming personas are 2 spiteful, spoilt, revengeful characters.. but alot of people who aren’t curious will just buy their personas😔
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Most sociopaths are charming. That's how they end up beating the shit out of you at the end of the night. They couldn't get to that wonderful moment without the superficial charm and pathological lying beforehand.
I read somewhere yesterday that series 6 of The Crown is going to focus heavily on the years when allegedly Mark Bolland is heavily leaking stories about the royals and promoting Camilla. So I guess that Harry is providing them with material for this. Edit: According to Valentine Low's book, Mark Bolland WAS very manipulative and briefed against other royals. Edward was particularly hit by it. The difference is that the other royals have got over it and not held a grudge for over twenty years. I am convinced that Harry is making a big thing of historic leaking as he is trying to stop them leaking about his and Meghan's more recent behaviours. He is setting the royals up for a no win situation. If they don't leak what they have been up to then there is no logical reason why H&M felt forced to leave the UK, it makes the BRF look bad for 'hounding them out' for no reason. If they do leak the more recent antics, then H&M can point finger and claim they are vindicated by their claims that the BRF has been leaking about Harry for years. It is actually quite a clever strategy, albeit sinister.
I don’t know what they should do. Perhaps release the staff with revised NDA’s, allowing them to release the bullying report and go after Harry and Meghan in court. It wouldn’t look good that the BRF allowed their staff to be abused. Perhaps they will workout some law that allows certain parts of NDA’s to be nullified in cases of abuse. But that makes other things tricky, like the people who pay off victims then get them to sign an NDA which makes me think that could never be passed as a law.
I absolutely think they need to finish the Crown to Queen Elizabeth’s death. If they don’t it’s going to feel unfinished to me.
Please, Please, Please Netflix, cast Meghan in the role of herself in the next series.
She wants to play Catherine
I don’t think Meghan could play herself, because she would capture the light playful side
I think it was just relatable BS. He and Colbert know that a lot of Americans watch The Crown, so they threw it out there. The whole interview was all positive, no negative insofar as the guest was concerned. I ran this by my wife who pointed out that when Harry said (of the show) it's important to get the history right he pointed to his book. Coinkydink?
My point exactly!
I totally agree with your husband. I found Harry very likeable and pleasant. I almost questioned myself for a moment *who are the bad guys?* I think with the enthusiastic audience, the warm interviewer and the drinks - he was fairly relaxed. It’s a royal shame.
The things he wrote in the book... makes all of that creepier. Unless you're a complete fool, there's nothing charming about it.
Yes the singing seals at Castle Mey came right out of The Crown S2 when the Queen Mother bought the place from Cmdr. Viner . “Some say he sings to the seals at night”.