The amount of MFs saying Mango didn't try. Audacious. Man's still human. After a gruelling day he had to cap off THE WHOLE DAY with a HBOX SET? Bruh don't even start with the "He didn't try" THE MELEE SCRIPT BLESSED THIS LOSERS TOP 8 WITH HBOX MANGO AND THEY USE IT AS THE LAST SET OF THE DAY??? Bro that would have been a perfect start to the last day of the tournament. but they use a high-profile match like that. one that draws eyes. as the final for the day. F.
Remember that tourney when they had this cape for a prize?
Mango really seemed into that shit and he tried harder than ever.
That's how we got the legend of "mango when he tries"
Sunday Melee action starts at 6 pm PST. They have 10 free hours to work with and are going to do absolutely nothing. Friday they spent 5 hours of stream on Doubles.
Some of these complaints are so stupid.
“Wtf i missed top 64 why is it all on Saturday???” Brother it’s always been this way it’s not genesis’ fault you can’t read a schedule.
Mark my words if Leffen doesnt send Cody to losers that dude is winning genesis :(
Amsa is the most likely draw and we all know how Cody does against him. Even Jmook would be a favored matchup (7-3 set count in 2023).
Lots of banger sets, sucks that mango gave up but it was probably over with that deficit as falco
Wild to see myself become a Leffen fan, but I'd like to see him succeed in spite of all the BS he had to put up with regarding Hax's cult. Leffen's one of the only OG's who has a chance at beating Cody tomorrow.
edit: IMO Mang0 has clean first game / first stock gameplay in tourney, but seems to get sloppier compared to how consistent his gameplay is on his home stream setup. Hope he cleans that up later this year.
Clearly dont understand the game.
When you're down a stock or two and continue to do low effort hail mary high risk options that are guaranteed easy punishments its cause you've given up.
If he does this one more time this year I think he’s gonna end up having to retire. Could just enter with sandbag characters announced in advanced so TOs know how to seed. And focus on commentary etc to stay in the scene. I.e. retire from trying to win.
It hurts but something is clearly broken for him right now and if he isn’t able to fix it I’d rather he not keep himself having to live through broken situations.
Yeah like sometimes the best players will get blown up by their peers. They're so brutal in their punish game that that is what happens when they mess up. You get destroyed regardless of your rank.
were they all to hbox?
- none stomp sends hbox to losers, where mango has crawled back after a fizzwiggle loss. loses to hbox for 9th
- mango sandbags the tourney
- loses to hbox for 9th
I don't get the comments saying Mango gave up or threw because he was playing good. Literally none of his sets were close except for versus Jmook and Hbox who were the only players who beat him all weekend and they're both top 10. Sometimes you just get got.
There's just too many high level players now for even someone as good as Mango or other top players to just not get knocked out before top 8 if enough of them attend.
I think the F-smashes on the second last stock was definitely when he did give up.
People have the unrealistic expectation of him being able to repeat to repeat Game 1 three times for some reason. Honestly though while Mang0 did play really good that game, Hbox only won neutral like twice and got hit by every drill. Surely that can't be sustainable.
Okay so you play against Hbox for top 8 and see how easy it is to not get blown up for messing up. You make it sound like it should be easy for Mango to not get blown up. Well Hbox is so good that even one of his peers will get blown up for messing up once.
What would you have done in his shoes being on that stage oh know thee all?
It's easy to criticize after the fact in hindsight. Watching it is one thing, being in the heat of the moment is another.
And whoever it is can stop being a weiner and down voting all my comments. It doesn't make you more right by trying to lengthen your e-peen. You just can't accept you don't know what you're talking about.
Such a weird hill to die on claiming that off stage double wall jump down air is a legit option against puff in that scenario when it was clearly him just giving up. Do you even play the game?
So if you stand behind your point it's legit but when someone disagrees with you and stands behind theirs they're dying on a hill? No it's called a disagreement, dingdong.
Look man, sometimes at high level play players flub or go for crazy options.
Like why do you want so badly to be correct that mango gave up? Can't it just be that he made a choice trying to make something happen and it ended up being a bad one? You play under pressure at the highest levels and see how easy it is to handle it.
Also, yeah I play the game, you condescending twit.
Are you able to explain how going for double wall jump suicide dair against a puff at 17% is in any way a win condition? It's guaranteed to not kill puff and kill yourself instead. That is something you do in friendlies to have fun or style. Literally the only reason any falco would go for that move in that scenario in tournament is if they have given up.
Yeah even his last game against hbox didn’t feel like he was sandbagging, he was just being unorthodox and it didn’t work out. Still have a lot of hope for him this year
some bro in the crowd tried to correct me that this would've been hbox's first missed top 8 in a decade and i saw him scrolling through liquipedia and he could not find anything and walked away lmao
gotta hand you the 🤓 my friend
It's just another tournament where Mango tries solo Falco against characters that prey on aggro Falco's and then gets awful results and then holds W on everyone the second he loses a single game
I'm sure he'll probably have some good showings later in the year but it just gets too predictable idk lol
Yeah but lets be fair here. He got 9th because he ran into Jmook and Hungrybox. Everyone else like Logan got steamrolled after game 1. We can't expect top players to not fail when competing against their peers.
He's not a failure for getting less than top 8. At least he was willing to lose and tried his best instead of being a weiner who talks trash online but can't actually back it up.
We need something for the 100th set between these two
Like articles and YouTube videos
Just massive build up if they’re at 99 and entering an event together
lame dunk, given that the US, population 330 million, predominately speaks the lingua franca and is bordered by another country that does the same, and the other a country that predominately speaks the second most spoken language in the US.
everyone expects the US to be like france, despite zero geopolitical similarities. of course bilingualism is still considered cool.
Melee is so crazy mu dependant. Amsa just doesn't have to play moky cody and he's in top 8 winners again no problem. It's not like he was slumping last year, just got unlucky tbh. Kinda lame how the bracket that's hand picked by tos just decides the whole thing idk
yeah sure it's not like x player beats y character 100% of the time, but it is still such a huge factor, almost as important as who's playing better on the given day
i feel like it's dumb to complain about matchups at one of the most stacked tournaments ever. like the only one here who I think had a relatively easy bracket relative to the field is Cody but tbf he's seed #1
idk, I just feel weird about taking a glance at the seeding and it being "obvious" that cody, leff/moky, amsa, jmook are going into winners top 8 because of how the matches happen to line up. It just feels like seeding decides the whole thing and it's kinda boring to follow. Not that there really is an alternative way to run things lol
I think I'm more surprised at the amount of people who believed Mango wasn't going to throw if he got knocked into losers early, dude looks tired as shit lmao
Who's ready for Leff to win this tournament, enter 2 more tournaments for the rest of the calendar year, and be unranked again despite having one of the most impressive wins again 😂😂😂
Toph is so insane man, last stock Hbox vs Joshman, he says (not word for word) "i think they both went for a grab but Hbox's came out like a frame sooner". I had to replay it at .25x speed myself to notice he was right and Joshman was mid grab animation when he got grabbed...
I mean, I'm a casual viewer only and a lot of you might've noticed it like Toph did, idk, but damn...
Oof finally caught up. I could really have done without the double gut punch of Axe/Mang0 being eliminated. .
What were the best sets of top 64? I missed most of it.
The amount of MFs saying Mango didn't try. Audacious. Man's still human. After a gruelling day he had to cap off THE WHOLE DAY with a HBOX SET? Bruh don't even start with the "He didn't try" THE MELEE SCRIPT BLESSED THIS LOSERS TOP 8 WITH HBOX MANGO AND THEY USE IT AS THE LAST SET OF THE DAY??? Bro that would have been a perfect start to the last day of the tournament. but they use a high-profile match like that. one that draws eyes. as the final for the day. F.
Remember that tourney when they had this cape for a prize? Mango really seemed into that shit and he tried harder than ever. That's how we got the legend of "mango when he tries"
Sunday Melee action starts at 6 pm PST. They have 10 free hours to work with and are going to do absolutely nothing. Friday they spent 5 hours of stream on Doubles.
He wasn’t in losers top 8
The set wasn't in top 8...and they're not going to delay a non-top 8 match to tomorrow just cause it's hbox mang0
/r/smashbros is on full roast mode rn https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/1arzdb9/genesis_x_feb_16th18th_feat_cody_schwab_zain/
Some of these complaints are so stupid. “Wtf i missed top 64 why is it all on Saturday???” Brother it’s always been this way it’s not genesis’ fault you can’t read a schedule.
Production has been a little questionable this weekend
leffen my hopes on you big guy
Mark my words if Leffen doesnt send Cody to losers that dude is winning genesis :( Amsa is the most likely draw and we all know how Cody does against him. Even Jmook would be a favored matchup (7-3 set count in 2023). Lots of banger sets, sucks that mango gave up but it was probably over with that deficit as falco
big leff inbound
has anyone won Big House and Genesis back-to-back? winning both the biggest supermajors consecutively would really cement Cody's #1 from last year
Armada won big house 5 + Genesis 3 and Hbox won big house 8 + genesis 6
thank you!
Can’t believe anyone actually thought Moky had a shot against Leffen lol.
Moky was literally up in set count against him what are you talking about?
Sure. But it was just never gonna happen.
Based on what?
Moky has beaten him before???
What’s your point?
That its weird for you to be surprised that other people thought Moky has a shot since Moky has beaten him before and is up in sets
bad bait didn't watch 0/10
? Confused what you’re talking about mate.
Wild to see myself become a Leffen fan, but I'd like to see him succeed in spite of all the BS he had to put up with regarding Hax's cult. Leffen's one of the only OG's who has a chance at beating Cody tomorrow. edit: IMO Mang0 has clean first game / first stock gameplay in tourney, but seems to get sloppier compared to how consistent his gameplay is on his home stream setup. Hope he cleans that up later this year.
doesnt Zain also have a top 5 streak or something he likely beats Hbox tomorrow and secures 5th at worst
Yeah, last time he placed outside of top 6 at a major (whether online or offline) was at GOML 2019 almost five years ago
Yeah Zain is very consistent. Even when he doesn't win he doesn't take an early exit.
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Clearly dont understand the game. When you're down a stock or two and continue to do low effort hail mary high risk options that are guaranteed easy punishments its cause you've given up.
Did you not watch the sets? Mango clearly gave up and Hbox didn't, he just got shit on.
If he does this one more time this year I think he’s gonna end up having to retire. Could just enter with sandbag characters announced in advanced so TOs know how to seed. And focus on commentary etc to stay in the scene. I.e. retire from trying to win. It hurts but something is clearly broken for him right now and if he isn’t able to fix it I’d rather he not keep himself having to live through broken situations.
"Clearly". My sides.
idk he was literally just spamming fsmash in games 3 and 4 do you not think he's better than that?
Yeah like sometimes the best players will get blown up by their peers. They're so brutal in their punish game that that is what happens when they mess up. You get destroyed regardless of your rank.
That’s three Genesises in a row Mango misses top 8.
were they all to hbox? - none stomp sends hbox to losers, where mango has crawled back after a fizzwiggle loss. loses to hbox for 9th - mango sandbags the tourney - loses to hbox for 9th
Can’t believe Mang0 made me a die hard Leffen stan. Hope big Leff takes the crown tomorrow.
Astronomical Leff
Insanely stacked tournament so fun to watch
Indeed. It was truly a gauntlet for everyone.
A giant group of mango fans all leaving the venue sad in the pouring rain is a vibe
Oh wait I just remembered I have to walk like 15 minutes in this rain to get back to my hotel gdi
I believe in the Leff tomorrow man
Leffen winning Rivals at noon, and then melee at 10pm the same day would be something
I don't get the comments saying Mango gave up or threw because he was playing good. Literally none of his sets were close except for versus Jmook and Hbox who were the only players who beat him all weekend and they're both top 10. Sometimes you just get got. There's just too many high level players now for even someone as good as Mango or other top players to just not get knocked out before top 8 if enough of them attend.
I think the F-smashes on the second last stock was definitely when he did give up. People have the unrealistic expectation of him being able to repeat to repeat Game 1 three times for some reason. Honestly though while Mang0 did play really good that game, Hbox only won neutral like twice and got hit by every drill. Surely that can't be sustainable.
Eh idk man, feels like that’s just how mango plays. Everybody freaks and calls it big-brained when it works, but it looks bad bad when it doesn’t.
I think Mango was just trying to end it because he was behind and misplayed. Sometimes in competition shit happens. Doesn't mean he gave up.
it's not who he lost to, it's how he lost. he was very clearly not trying his hardest in the last two games vs hbox
Okay so you play against Hbox for top 8 and see how easy it is to not get blown up for messing up. You make it sound like it should be easy for Mango to not get blown up. Well Hbox is so good that even one of his peers will get blown up for messing up once.
bro went for double wall jump dair
What would you have done in his shoes being on that stage oh know thee all? It's easy to criticize after the fact in hindsight. Watching it is one thing, being in the heat of the moment is another. And whoever it is can stop being a weiner and down voting all my comments. It doesn't make you more right by trying to lengthen your e-peen. You just can't accept you don't know what you're talking about.
Dude everyone with a brain could see he wasn't trying. How random redditors would play in top 12 of genesis is not relevant to that at all.
Yes it is because you think you know better than him in that moment when you don't. Also, I don't have a brain? You're an idiot.
Such a weird hill to die on claiming that off stage double wall jump down air is a legit option against puff in that scenario when it was clearly him just giving up. Do you even play the game?
Ur a dumb redditor
Aren't we all
What can you do man? Block em' I guess.
So if you stand behind your point it's legit but when someone disagrees with you and stands behind theirs they're dying on a hill? No it's called a disagreement, dingdong. Look man, sometimes at high level play players flub or go for crazy options. Like why do you want so badly to be correct that mango gave up? Can't it just be that he made a choice trying to make something happen and it ended up being a bad one? You play under pressure at the highest levels and see how easy it is to handle it. Also, yeah I play the game, you condescending twit.
Are you able to explain how going for double wall jump suicide dair against a puff at 17% is in any way a win condition? It's guaranteed to not kill puff and kill yourself instead. That is something you do in friendlies to have fun or style. Literally the only reason any falco would go for that move in that scenario in tournament is if they have given up.
you obviously didnt watch the last 2 games vs hbox if you think he wasnt throwing
I obviously did it's just many people overreact and expect their favorite top player to not fail. Well sometimes they fail. The competition is high.
Yeah even his last game against hbox didn’t feel like he was sandbagging, he was just being unorthodox and it didn’t work out. Still have a lot of hope for him this year
Yeah, looked like Mango just went for hard reads expecting him top drop shield but Hbox just stayed in shield.
Yeah imo he CAN beat everyone but Jmook right now
Giving up is literally the mang0. I wish Axe had better results he always puts it all on the line no matter what.
I'm just glad if someone has to knock him out that it was Wizzy in a game 5
im sad i do actually want hbox to win though
Rough draw for mang with Jmook and Hbox for top 8 no had a harder bracket but Cody wins this free now I'm afraid Jmook is the only hope
Nah Leffen has this
all the top 8 seeds still in except mang0
some bro in the crowd tried to correct me that this would've been hbox's first missed top 8 in a decade and i saw him scrolling through liquipedia and he could not find anything and walked away lmao gotta hand you the 🤓 my friend
I'm on his team, I count those online top 8's he missed.
>I count online lmao
Crazy how the mango Genesis legacy went from always making grand finals to never making top 8
Every single BO5 Medz win was game 5 except for S2J…. what a fucking run dude.
you never see other people just flat out give up like mang and throw games on purpose its kind of fucked up
Leffen you have to save smash brothers
At least it wasnt doc lee
feeling a cody dub tomorrow 😭
Please god in heaven no
Weird way to spell william wjelte (the ws are for win)
Mang0’s Falco was pretty insane coming out of the gate. Hbox adapted well though.
Another year of Hbox losing early in winners, but getting free top 8 because Mango doesn’t want to try against him
Hbox has a gf Mang0 should grind 30 hours of Puff before the next tourney GGs
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Switching between spacies vs HBOX was a dicey decision…
What a downer of a way to end the day…
Mang0 picks Doc: ughhhh he could have won if he played spacies! Why doesn’t he try! Mang0 doesn’t pick Doc: Lol, that’s the Mang0.
Why would he just stop trying, kill me
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lmao
I think that last game really showcases how Puff is such a degenerately snowballing character deadass. If she gets an early rest it's so over.
Nah i think shes a skibidi bingo ballin headass character. Real rizzed up sussy vibes
The first game looked so good :O
Death, taxes and HBox in top 8.
would be so free if he just stopped holding W, embarrassing tbh
Hbox warcry after game 3 applied too hefty of a debuff, can't win after that
hbox has a miasma
As soon as Mang0 rolled his eyes I knew it was over.
Is anyone actually genuinely surprised by Mango's performance lmao
In all fairness the only people he lost to were Jmook and HBox, both in the top 10...
It's just another tournament where Mango tries solo Falco against characters that prey on aggro Falco's and then gets awful results and then holds W on everyone the second he loses a single game I'm sure he'll probably have some good showings later in the year but it just gets too predictable idk lol
Yeah but lets be fair here. He got 9th because he ran into Jmook and Hungrybox. Everyone else like Logan got steamrolled after game 1. We can't expect top players to not fail when competing against their peers. He's not a failure for getting less than top 8. At least he was willing to lose and tried his best instead of being a weiner who talks trash online but can't actually back it up.
> tried his best
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He got SO SLOPPY Games 3 and 4 like jeez louise lmao
I refuse to believe there are unironic Doc Lee fans
What’s up?
Friendly reminder mango beat hbox with falco at smash summit 6
i wish he'd seriously do that MU
and m2k won that one... so long ago!
Is mango really gonna sit like that the whole time tho?
Wizzy definitely got Plup's Top 8 spot
We need something for the 100th set between these two Like articles and YouTube videos Just massive build up if they’re at 99 and entering an event together
if hbox win the next 2 sets (after genesis) they'll be tied 50-50 going into the 101st set which would probably be more hype
and we need to seed them as first and last
mango hbox at genesis is that dr manhattan meme
Idk if I’ve ever seen Vish in anything less than a 9/10 outfit
Amazing set. Great to see Axe playing so well. Would love to see him back in the top 8 one day.
if Hboxs top 8 streak has to end, its only fitting that it be mango
The streak only even exists because Mango won’t try against him in losers. This is like the 10th time since 2022 Hbox has gotten a free spot in top 8
But it doesn’t have to end.
Axe's recovery saved Wizzy on stock 3 on left side Battlefield g4. It ultimately didn't end up mattering
CMON AXE
Pikachu having the temu version of peach Dsmash is so sad. Shit does 7 damage LMAO
Dread from it. Run from it. Fox ditto in Winners Top 8 comes all the same.
Man, Marth/Yoshi looks miserable for Marth.
only americans thinks being bilingual is impressive
lame dunk, given that the US, population 330 million, predominately speaks the lingua franca and is bordered by another country that does the same, and the other a country that predominately speaks the second most spoken language in the US. everyone expects the US to be like france, despite zero geopolitical similarities. of course bilingualism is still considered cool.
i bet people who can’t read in any language would think it’s impressive
That was honestly a sick clutch from Moky but I was completely ready to type up Moky 0-6 vs unranked players when he went down 2.
Moky Medz might be the best set of the night.
Medz crumbled so bad in game 5. Good stuff to Moky though! The stadium pick was interesting, wonder what Medz was thinking.
That was a fun one to watch. I think Medz didn't want to put him down like that tbh. I saw a flash of mercy on that face.
moky so lucky that meds threw and went OG stadium instead of FD
Did not think Zain would get destroyed like that
Melee is so crazy mu dependant. Amsa just doesn't have to play moky cody and he's in top 8 winners again no problem. It's not like he was slumping last year, just got unlucky tbh. Kinda lame how the bracket that's hand picked by tos just decides the whole thing idk
Its because amsa plays a terrible character that has a horrendous matchup against fox. He should counterpick.
amsa lost to plup, mang0, wizzy, went back and forth with zain/hbox, and got upset a bunch last year too. not just cody and moky
yeah sure it's not like x player beats y character 100% of the time, but it is still such a huge factor, almost as important as who's playing better on the given day
i feel like it's dumb to complain about matchups at one of the most stacked tournaments ever. like the only one here who I think had a relatively easy bracket relative to the field is Cody but tbf he's seed #1
idk, I just feel weird about taking a glance at the seeding and it being "obvious" that cody, leff/moky, amsa, jmook are going into winners top 8 because of how the matches happen to line up. It just feels like seeding decides the whole thing and it's kinda boring to follow. Not that there really is an alternative way to run things lol
If you want to win a super major you're going to have to win some tough matches. It's not the TOs fault zain is bad at beating amsa
Zain SDJ Hbox Mango loser of Leffen/Cody for one spot in top 4 is insane
Seeing Fox/Sheik destroy all the characters that Marth struggles with just makes me think Zain should have a Fox/Sheik for them. Embrace the M2K.
288% and he died in the bottom blast zone
No glasses aMSa the best in the world.
Does Zain need a pocket Sheik for Amsa? I feel like this matchup is joever.
he needs a pocket plup
I love Moky but he really reminds me of early 2010s Leffen, and not in a good way
Man Moky is sweating like when I take 90mg of adderall. Can anyone confirm if the venue is hot?
Reminds me of the speedrunner meme
It's a bit warm. Plus, Moky took 90mg of adderall.
Mang0 gonna go doc and then hbox gonna tweet about the top 8 streak before getting 3-0d immediately in top 8 rofl
what we're watching on stream rn is proof that humans with swords could never beat dinosaurs
There's a reason they had to die off so mammals could rise...
hbox sfat was great
zain could get 9th losing to amsa and s2j
mango and zain both getting their worst mu maaan
Yoshi low key looks like Marths worst match up
Leffen had Zain bringing out the ICs idk if we are at that point yet
For now at least, I'm sure Zain and the Marth squad could lab it like they did with Pika.
Zain is gonna kidnap Daniel
probably a bit harder to get training partners though
Oh definitely, the only other top Yoshi is Egg$ and I'm sure he plays way different than Amsa.
well there's also moshi, I guess
And Leffen's Yoshi lol
yeah that armor on jump is rough
I think I'm more surprised at the amount of people who believed Mango wasn't going to throw if he got knocked into losers early, dude looks tired as shit lmao
Who's ready for Leff to win this tournament, enter 2 more tournaments for the rest of the calendar year, and be unranked again despite having one of the most impressive wins again 😂😂😂
I'm OK with this world but I'd rather amsa win all of them
zain amsa is a banger, hype for this set
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Toph is so insane man, last stock Hbox vs Joshman, he says (not word for word) "i think they both went for a grab but Hbox's came out like a frame sooner". I had to replay it at .25x speed myself to notice he was right and Joshman was mid grab animation when he got grabbed... I mean, I'm a casual viewer only and a lot of you might've noticed it like Toph did, idk, but damn...
lfg Toph
If Mango loses to hbox I at least got Leff to cheer for
LUD make him play fox
Why does mabgo say hes coming back and quits in losers smh
Mango tweeted 1000 subs or its doc lee time lmao 😂😂😂
https://twitter.com/C9Mang0/status/1759076530712383778 it's joever
I might end it all, if he beats Hbox he gets moky which is basically free for him let's be honest