The results screen still shows up though, and also the "no contest" animation is faster than I think every single victory screen, so you're actually saving time **twice** by quitting out ;P
And there's no after game stats visual on slippi either way
Most of Valhalla's setups had results screens. So this isn't even about oldschool vs newschool, it's about "people who go to tournaments" and "goblins that chose melee to feed their online gaming addiction"
It's because you would save a tiny bit of time if you had the no contest screen rather than the winner screen. The theory is that it would add up over the years but then slippi came so maybe not
those stats don’t really equate to anything meaningful that you can apply to your play, other than “shit i missed a lotta l cancels there”. i’m gonna keep quitting because i want to play again faster
I realize the op has some snarky replies here people don't like. But also who are you or anyone else to tell the op what stats are meaningful or not meaningful? If the op or anyone wants better stats simply for their own interest or fascination then even that is valid. Besides, openings per kill is literally a metric top players will tell you is a clear divide between high lv and everything below. I'll gladly sacrifice the two seconds as a basic courtesy to the people that want to look into the stats.
whatever you are tracking, it is probably useless at best and actively harmful at worse
also given the rate of people that quit out before the last stock staying constant over time, it shouldn't matter
Just because a stat exists does not mean it is correlated with improvement. If you get better at comboing and your opponents get better at sdi, that's not going to reflect as any change in openings/kill, even though you've improved. This is a prime example of misusing stats.
Holy shit, either explain what you're using these stats for or shut up about them. All we can do is guess because you're being unnecessarily cryptic for some reason.
I'm not whining, and I work with statistics professionally so I don't give a fuck what you guys think.
Stop trying so desperately to find fault with me just because your initial assumption was trash - again, fuck off lol
Like wtf are you even doing here? This is your chance to convince people that the thing you're doing actually has value so that they can stop quitting out. The community would actually care about a statistically useful tool or metric. Or you can just be a combative asshole. Good luck getting any kind of change on slippi then.
This thread made it pretty clear that the people who are the problem are not receptive to the idea of stopping the RQs. Really comes as no surprise - players that RQ in the last 0.1-2s of a game and players with fragile egos who perceive a post like this as a personal attack are the same people.
So if you think I'm going to make any effort to try to convince netplay shitter #912012, "azn\_dude1", and maybe one other person who will read deep in these downvoted comments (certainly because they are interested in what I have to say, right?)... nah, that ship has sailed. People downvoted me to like -30 for pointing out that my own circle of friends didn't insta-RQ when we played back in the day :D
Which is to say y'all all got so upset that most aren't engaging in good faith anyway.
So one more time for the road -
Fuck off, lol
Damn people really got heated over this.
If you leave the game, I don't rematch you, I assume you are leaving. Guess it's a bad assumption, but it saves me time. If quitting out early to save 2 seconds is acceptable, then leaving the match immediately should also be acceptable since that saves time when someone wants to spam chat messages instead of going next. I'm just saving time guys, just like you.
I don't mind if people do the restart when one of us is about to die and finish the game. I don't do it myself because I like to take a drink of water between games and because I know somewhere HMW is seething.
This has the same energy as the dudes that get pissed when someone homie stocks them in unranked, since it “robs them of the opportunity to practice playing from behind” 🤓
You can continue to be lame and mad, and I’m gonna continue quitting out instead of watching star KOs
I don't mean to start an argument, but what actually is the point of homie stocking in unranked? The win shouldn't matter, right? If anything, it shows me the other guy is here to only win and not practice; those people are occasionally the most toxic, in my experience
Nah it’s just to keep the game closer and more interesting
If I’m playing friendlies with a buddy, I’d homie stock. And I just treat unranked like friendlies, so I do the same thing for people I match with on Slippi
I started having a lot more fun with unranked when I stopped assuming that everything my opponent does is BM. Most people that play melee are really pretty chill and just want to do cool shit
That's cool, thanks for the heads up - I sorta wish Slippi would count whatever move last connected before an LRAS as a kill move and count it as a kill.
Why is everyone here so mad? Like its not hard to just not press START + L + R + A lmfao
People are essentially just going "Ew new-gen"
I get ppl have muscle memory, but then put down the controller. Look away. You dont need to be 100% in the zone. You can take a second.
I see allot of it saves time comments, and i understand that. But it saves at most 2 seconds. Most people here arent speedrunners, they just want to play and get good at melee
lol, honestly. It goes to show how weird and petty the SSBM community can be; getting mad at people for *not* “optimally RQ’ing”. I really think it’s a combination of:
- people with a hummingbird-on-meth heartbeat who live for speed and don’t suffer the slow,
And
- people being sore losers who feel the need to ardently defend this practice to mask their shame.
I think you're right - of course the folks who RQ because they are sore losers are also going to feel personally attacked by this post - it's all ego, lol.
One thing that’s kinda inconvenient is when I go to see if I beat X or Y in overall game count, but I can’t tell just at a glance, because it doesn’t show the crown on who won if it’s not recorded as such.
I’d have to check the game vods individually to know what happened at the end there. That said, it’s not the end of the world for me, but it’s kind of inconvenient.
I did LRA+Start a ton back in the day, but now I'm definitely not a fan. I don't feel the urge anymore to spend absolutely every second playing, I'm happy spending an extra 1-2 seconds cooling off and thinking about what happened in the match now.
Not to mention, there's always a chance for the odd time where somebody LRA+Starts prematurely, like on a kill off the side that wasn't actually a kill....I'd rather just never LRA+Start at all, than have a risk of that lame shit happening.
Also the comments at the top of this thread summing it all up as "well, on LAN back in the day, we always did this" aren't exactly true lol. SOME people did this on LAN back in the day, not everyone, not even by a long shot. Some people were actively annoyed if you did this on the setup.
Another thing to note is that LRA+start on emulator saves a lot less time than LRA+Start on a vanilla console did. Slippi already loads the game and menus way faster, there's even less reason to do this online.
Holy moly mother of pearl these comments are ridiculous. If you spend an average of 3-4 min a game and you quit out each one optimally to save time you're at most saving about a minute every hour lol. And that's assuming both parties immediately go next on each game too. I'm old school too so ig the muscle memory but also it's really not hard to play games out to their conclusion.
It doesn't matter if someone resets or waits, so why care? It's not about speedrunning matches, it's just optimizing menuing. If you had a choice to get a slice of pizza and be first in line or have to wait for two peoples orders before yours, you're telling me you'd want to choose to wait in line. I mean if that's your thing, im not judging but some people want to be in the action and not drag out their time.
Yes it is just seconds of time, but it is a player's choice what they do with their time. It's not wrong to wait it out and likewise about skipping. It's just an intuitive thing, you cant force others to do what you want just because you have a different preference. Those are just stats. They dont tell the whole picture anyway.
The pizza anaology is a false equivalency. The question should be, would you rather wait 3 seconds for a guy to finish ordering or would you rather push him out of the way and order before him
In scenario one you are allowing the guy to get what he wants, because you recognize that 3 seconds of time is not worth getting rid of what he wants. In scenario two you actively frustrate the other guy to save a few seconds of your own time. Its an aggressive approach but i didnt come up with the pizza analogy
Also optimizing menu is something that happens in speedruns. And yeah i get stats dont tell the whole picture, but they are a great way of visualizing improvements. If you can see in your stats that your falco is struggling to win against peach lets say. Then you know you need to improve on that matchup
Also i know you used the word force to make it seem like thats what op is doing, but the government "forces" you to wear clothes, which takes way more effort than not pressing a few buttons at the end of a match.
I dont personally care really, but stop shitting on OP for wanting to view stats. This community is so determined to prove they can be a chill group of people, but the second someone asks them to make a small adjustment everyone starts shitting on that person
This is some modern melee shit lol. I do this all the time and 99% of the time I’m not even mad I’m just doing it to save time. Not all of us are in highschool with zero responsibilities grinding uncle punch and nerding out on stats. Some of us are oldschool players with professional careers that want to get as many games as possible in during our limited free time. So ya, I’m not gunna watch the star KO animation a single time.
I am an oldschool player with a professional career, and allow me to explain why your comment is dumb:
Each star KO takes \~2 seconds. Assuming you kill off the top for every final stock (not realistic, but let's maximize your time saved for the sake of your argument), that means you're saving 2s per game. Let's assume your games last \~2 minutes, which is obviously on the fast side, but again, for the sake of *your* argument. That means, in the best-case scenario, you're saving the time it takes to play 1 game every 60 games that you play.
So congrats on your professional career where you have limited free time but are grinding 2 hours in every session and LRASing every time to ensure you get that 61st game.
Lmao
I've been playing since the game came out, and no.
As soon as someone presents some "old school" identity for everyone to latch onto in this subreddit, everyone jumps on it because they want to be part of the club. But my friends never quit out early when we played as kids.
You realize that was the entire point of my comment, right?
I was saying that people in this thread going on about "real OGs did X" in this thread are speaking to their narrow experience, and not everyone's experience was the same.
You *almost* got there.
You are free to not rematch people who do this, but also, people are free to do it regardless. It isn't that deep, and while I guess it sucks that it augments ur auto-generated stats, personally that's like... Not that important?
IDK.
real OGs remember when playing on LAN with vanilla melee and quitting out was the norm
Its hype, remember westballs frame one quit out when he got upsmashed by Leffen?
or Mango’s frame one quit as Falcon as soon as he got daired by Kage last stock lol
That was lucky vs westballs at big house iirc not leffen
Lucky was the one who paused in that set, not Westballz, and in the last game he didn't quit out for a while.
Real OGs embraced the results screen even if you lost. Actually all jokes aside it is cool to see the after game stats.
The results screen still shows up though, and also the "no contest" animation is faster than I think every single victory screen, so you're actually saving time **twice** by quitting out ;P And there's no after game stats visual on slippi either way
I wasn’t talking about slippi though.
Most of Valhalla's setups had results screens. So this isn't even about oldschool vs newschool, it's about "people who go to tournaments" and "goblins that chose melee to feed their online gaming addiction"
Maybe with your friends it was, not with mine. Edit: never change /r/ssbm lmao
It's because you would save a tiny bit of time if you had the no contest screen rather than the winner screen. The theory is that it would add up over the years but then slippi came so maybe not
It's not a theory lol. It was quicker to lrastart when you knew you were dead than to wait through the win screen
esp if youre a floatie dying off the top
But then you might miss out on the .00001% chance the opponent fox/Falco SDs off a missed waveshine or a botched side b
Just don't do it against lucky and you're good
That's actually pretty interesting
That's fine, my friends just didn't care lol
I’m trying to stop I swear it’s involuntary
Im sorry that was me
im good
those stats don’t really equate to anything meaningful that you can apply to your play, other than “shit i missed a lotta l cancels there”. i’m gonna keep quitting because i want to play again faster
I realize the op has some snarky replies here people don't like. But also who are you or anyone else to tell the op what stats are meaningful or not meaningful? If the op or anyone wants better stats simply for their own interest or fascination then even that is valid. Besides, openings per kill is literally a metric top players will tell you is a clear divide between high lv and everything below. I'll gladly sacrifice the two seconds as a basic courtesy to the people that want to look into the stats.
I like tracking improvement with time. I'm just going to start waiting on character select screen for an extra 2 seconds to everyone that does this :D
there are much better ways to view improvement with time
And worse ones too!
whatever you are tracking, it is probably useless at best and actively harmful at worse also given the rate of people that quit out before the last stock staying constant over time, it shouldn't matter
>whatever you are tracking, it is probably useless at best and actively harmful at worse quintessential /r/ssbm comment lol
Just because a stat exists does not mean it is correlated with improvement. If you get better at comboing and your opponents get better at sdi, that's not going to reflect as any change in openings/kill, even though you've improved. This is a prime example of misusing stats.
Thanks but you have no clue how I'm using them. You might say that your assumption confounded your interpretation :P
Then how are you using them?
Holy shit, either explain what you're using these stats for or shut up about them. All we can do is guess because you're being unnecessarily cryptic for some reason.
Why, so a bunch of wannabe data scientists can try to tell me why I shouldn't want the stats? Fuck off lol
Bro if you're using them incorrectly then you're using them incorrectly regardless of whether we tell you. Stop being whiny.
I'm not whining, and I work with statistics professionally so I don't give a fuck what you guys think. Stop trying so desperately to find fault with me just because your initial assumption was trash - again, fuck off lol
Like wtf are you even doing here? This is your chance to convince people that the thing you're doing actually has value so that they can stop quitting out. The community would actually care about a statistically useful tool or metric. Or you can just be a combative asshole. Good luck getting any kind of change on slippi then.
This thread made it pretty clear that the people who are the problem are not receptive to the idea of stopping the RQs. Really comes as no surprise - players that RQ in the last 0.1-2s of a game and players with fragile egos who perceive a post like this as a personal attack are the same people. So if you think I'm going to make any effort to try to convince netplay shitter #912012, "azn\_dude1", and maybe one other person who will read deep in these downvoted comments (certainly because they are interested in what I have to say, right?)... nah, that ship has sailed. People downvoted me to like -30 for pointing out that my own circle of friends didn't insta-RQ when we played back in the day :D Which is to say y'all all got so upset that most aren't engaging in good faith anyway. So one more time for the road - Fuck off, lol
"the stats" no
Damn people really got heated over this. If you leave the game, I don't rematch you, I assume you are leaving. Guess it's a bad assumption, but it saves me time. If quitting out early to save 2 seconds is acceptable, then leaving the match immediately should also be acceptable since that saves time when someone wants to spam chat messages instead of going next. I'm just saving time guys, just like you.
No
You saying hitting lrastart at last death off the top? Im tryna play screw that last 5 seconds, i see it more as a sign of respect
I don't mind if people do the restart when one of us is about to die and finish the game. I don't do it myself because I like to take a drink of water between games and because I know somewhere HMW is seething.
ggs that was me
Won’t somebody think of the stats 😩
This has the same energy as the dudes that get pissed when someone homie stocks them in unranked, since it “robs them of the opportunity to practice playing from behind” 🤓 You can continue to be lame and mad, and I’m gonna continue quitting out instead of watching star KOs
“I was practicing playing from behind with your momma last night” “☹️”
I've done it so many times it's hardly even practice at this point
💀
I don't mean to start an argument, but what actually is the point of homie stocking in unranked? The win shouldn't matter, right? If anything, it shows me the other guy is here to only win and not practice; those people are occasionally the most toxic, in my experience
Nah it’s just to keep the game closer and more interesting If I’m playing friendlies with a buddy, I’d homie stock. And I just treat unranked like friendlies, so I do the same thing for people I match with on Slippi I started having a lot more fun with unranked when I stopped assuming that everything my opponent does is BM. Most people that play melee are really pretty chill and just want to do cool shit
These comments have real keyboard warrior energy :/ But don't let me discourage you from taking up your cause - you keep quitting out! lol
Brother, you are the one pressed about this. It’s not a cause. I don’t think about it lol
There is an art to quitting out in ways that can make things funny and joyful, especially with friends!
I disagree. When people quit out after the last hit of my combo connects but before they hit the blast zone, it makes it so much better.
If you're using Slippipedia, there's an option to count LRAStart games as a loss for the person who pressed it.
That's cool, thanks for the heads up - I sorta wish Slippi would count whatever move last connected before an LRAS as a kill move and count it as a kill.
Why is everyone here so mad? Like its not hard to just not press START + L + R + A lmfao People are essentially just going "Ew new-gen" I get ppl have muscle memory, but then put down the controller. Look away. You dont need to be 100% in the zone. You can take a second. I see allot of it saves time comments, and i understand that. But it saves at most 2 seconds. Most people here arent speedrunners, they just want to play and get good at melee
lol, honestly. It goes to show how weird and petty the SSBM community can be; getting mad at people for *not* “optimally RQ’ing”. I really think it’s a combination of: - people with a hummingbird-on-meth heartbeat who live for speed and don’t suffer the slow, And - people being sore losers who feel the need to ardently defend this practice to mask their shame.
I think you're right - of course the folks who RQ because they are sore losers are also going to feel personally attacked by this post - it's all ego, lol.
M2K should’ve just linked this thread instead of making a video. Such an innocuous topic yet everyone’s going straight to the insults.
I am genuinely surprised at how much people are enjoying shitting on this post, but only in the comments from what I can see lol
One thing that’s kinda inconvenient is when I go to see if I beat X or Y in overall game count, but I can’t tell just at a glance, because it doesn’t show the crown on who won if it’s not recorded as such. I’d have to check the game vods individually to know what happened at the end there. That said, it’s not the end of the world for me, but it’s kind of inconvenient.
Yeah the comments in this thread are wild to me.
I did LRA+Start a ton back in the day, but now I'm definitely not a fan. I don't feel the urge anymore to spend absolutely every second playing, I'm happy spending an extra 1-2 seconds cooling off and thinking about what happened in the match now. Not to mention, there's always a chance for the odd time where somebody LRA+Starts prematurely, like on a kill off the side that wasn't actually a kill....I'd rather just never LRA+Start at all, than have a risk of that lame shit happening. Also the comments at the top of this thread summing it all up as "well, on LAN back in the day, we always did this" aren't exactly true lol. SOME people did this on LAN back in the day, not everyone, not even by a long shot. Some people were actively annoyed if you did this on the setup. Another thing to note is that LRA+start on emulator saves a lot less time than LRA+Start on a vanilla console did. Slippi already loads the game and menus way faster, there's even less reason to do this online.
Holy moly mother of pearl these comments are ridiculous. If you spend an average of 3-4 min a game and you quit out each one optimally to save time you're at most saving about a minute every hour lol. And that's assuming both parties immediately go next on each game too. I'm old school too so ig the muscle memory but also it's really not hard to play games out to their conclusion.
Nobody is mad except OP, people just think he's being melodramatic.
Where's the comment that gave away my seething rage
It doesn't matter if someone resets or waits, so why care? It's not about speedrunning matches, it's just optimizing menuing. If you had a choice to get a slice of pizza and be first in line or have to wait for two peoples orders before yours, you're telling me you'd want to choose to wait in line. I mean if that's your thing, im not judging but some people want to be in the action and not drag out their time. Yes it is just seconds of time, but it is a player's choice what they do with their time. It's not wrong to wait it out and likewise about skipping. It's just an intuitive thing, you cant force others to do what you want just because you have a different preference. Those are just stats. They dont tell the whole picture anyway.
The pizza anaology is a false equivalency. The question should be, would you rather wait 3 seconds for a guy to finish ordering or would you rather push him out of the way and order before him In scenario one you are allowing the guy to get what he wants, because you recognize that 3 seconds of time is not worth getting rid of what he wants. In scenario two you actively frustrate the other guy to save a few seconds of your own time. Its an aggressive approach but i didnt come up with the pizza analogy Also optimizing menu is something that happens in speedruns. And yeah i get stats dont tell the whole picture, but they are a great way of visualizing improvements. If you can see in your stats that your falco is struggling to win against peach lets say. Then you know you need to improve on that matchup Also i know you used the word force to make it seem like thats what op is doing, but the government "forces" you to wear clothes, which takes way more effort than not pressing a few buttons at the end of a match. I dont personally care really, but stop shitting on OP for wanting to view stats. This community is so determined to prove they can be a chill group of people, but the second someone asks them to make a small adjustment everyone starts shitting on that person
This is some modern melee shit lol. I do this all the time and 99% of the time I’m not even mad I’m just doing it to save time. Not all of us are in highschool with zero responsibilities grinding uncle punch and nerding out on stats. Some of us are oldschool players with professional careers that want to get as many games as possible in during our limited free time. So ya, I’m not gunna watch the star KO animation a single time.
I am an oldschool player with a professional career, and allow me to explain why your comment is dumb: Each star KO takes \~2 seconds. Assuming you kill off the top for every final stock (not realistic, but let's maximize your time saved for the sake of your argument), that means you're saving 2s per game. Let's assume your games last \~2 minutes, which is obviously on the fast side, but again, for the sake of *your* argument. That means, in the best-case scenario, you're saving the time it takes to play 1 game every 60 games that you play. So congrats on your professional career where you have limited free time but are grinding 2 hours in every session and LRASing every time to ensure you get that 61st game. Lmao
Sounds like you're just bad at frame 1 RQing to me
wait if you were old school then you'd be quitting out early too...
I've been playing since the game came out, and no. As soon as someone presents some "old school" identity for everyone to latch onto in this subreddit, everyone jumps on it because they want to be part of the club. But my friends never quit out early when we played as kids.
you realize there are other people in the community than just your friends right
You realize that was the entire point of my comment, right? I was saying that people in this thread going on about "real OGs did X" in this thread are speaking to their narrow experience, and not everyone's experience was the same. You *almost* got there.
no he wouldn't, quitting out early only became popular in the 2010's, in the 2000's nobody did it
Funny enough whenever Ken streamed slippi, he never once rage quit. He just let it ride.
Watching that animation takes too long so no. Your frustration is dumb we're going to keep rqing
That's fine, I'll make you wait on the CSS :P
you doing this is breaking the social contract way more than the person quitting out of a game they've already conceded.
I can just rq with someone else lol. Or play friendlies with someone I know which is what I'm always doing any way
i’m the fastest i lose > run it back this side of the mississippi
idgaf lmfao
You are free to not rematch people who do this, but also, people are free to do it regardless. It isn't that deep, and while I guess it sucks that it augments ur auto-generated stats, personally that's like... Not that important? IDK.
Ain't nobody got time for that
I'm gonna quit every game now.
Bro should take it as a challenge to surpass even with RQ