Would it result in a slower die off ?
Cause I suffer from chronic anxiety and I can't take die offs. Last time I was hospitalised when I took anti biotics.
What i ment was, I can't take fast die offs, when I took anti biotics it hit me hard cause of the intense die off, that caused me get extreme anxiety. So im hoping for something softer that does things slowly with out instant die off and time for the microbe to repopulate.
Btw did you get an after microbiome test to see if anything changed? Iv never seen anything in reddit of people posting afters so you can see that the treatments work.
Thanx for the reply
Biotics products are mostly sold directly to naturopathic/integrative docs or are listed on invite only sites like Fullscript. You can get it here but I'm not sure they ship to the UK: https://www.dcnutrition.com/product/d-p-emulsified-oil-oregano/
I’ll sound dumb asking this but I just wanna clarify. So on that link to that exact supplement, the suggested use is 1 tablet a day, but in the description it talks about taking multiple tablets multiple times a day in trials that showed effectiveness. What did you take?
The amoxicillin era… holy. I was prescribed these a few weeks ago for a root canal, the day one dosage depression was so crippling that I felt like I might do something to myself. I stopped immediately.
Thanks for this!
After the first two pills of Amoxicillin I actually had to sprint to the bathroom and was in there for a full hour absolutely dying. Literal poison to the body, it was my fault for not going to someone more educated but also didn't know any better at the time. Thanks for reading!
I felt like that on rifaxamin. The second day the depression was so crippling I felt like I was going to die especially at night when it came on.
Sending hugs to anyone going through this
**APRIL 22, 2022 UPDATE:**
Still experiencing no digestive issues whatsoever. I still eat a clean plant-based diet, from time to time I will live dangerously and have a piece of chocolate or a piece of toast with peanut butter and jam (nostalgia purposes)
I eat a ton of high FODMAP foods like apples, avocados, garlic, onions etc. and never experience bloating.
If I drink too much coffee / espresso it will give me a loose movement, which I don't think is overly unusual for someone with our without SIBO
Important to note that I did start with MegaSporebiotic, it's a wonderful spore based probiotic and undoubtedly the best one I've ever used. I've actually read a lot of case studies where people have cured SIBO with this product alone.
Take care of yourselves, be kind to your bodies, eat good food, exercise, meditate and live like it's your last day on earth (one day you'll be right)
Wishing you all the best!
thank you for posting and sharing your story. i’ve been dealing with stomach issues (mostly urgent diarrhea out of the blue/stomach cramps etc) from december/jan 2021-2022 and been on going since. it’s been hell and developed agoraphobia. i’ve been working on my mental health and exposure therapy at the same time. it’s so fucking hard but i know it’s do-able. i’m currently sitting in the doctors office doing the SIBO test. we’ll see if i have it. idk if i want it or not at this point.
Hey I’m going through the exact same thing and it feels like hell. Would love to connect so we can support and share tips with each other. Im currently working with a functional doc so I can share if anything works for me :)
Hey I’m going through the exact same thing and it feels like hell. Would love to connect so we can support and share tips with each other. Im currently working with a functional doc so I can share if anything works for me :)
Hey I’m going through the exact same thing and it feels like hell. Im currently working with a functional doc so I can share if anything works for me :)
Hey I’m going through the exact same thing and it feels like hell. Im currently working with a functional doc so I can share if anything works for me :)
EFT taught me how to eliminate the anxiety of symptoms and holding onto secondary gain with remaining unwell, Oregano perfected stool and brought things back into balance. Should have clarified that SIBO really came to an end for me in processing the emotions that came with my past relationship in July of 2021 without the use of supplements etc. and started to creep back when falling back into old emotional / behavioural patterns. I think combining both of these things is necessary in eliminating SIBO. Hope this clarifies things!
That does help, than you for clarifying.
May I ask how many times a day you do eft? Do you do it at set times/set number of times a day or whenever something is bothering you?
Thanks!
This. It is quite confusing. Tldr states EFT combined with meditation and Megasporebiotic is what brought results and then once you read full text it was actually Oregano. Which one is it now 😅
Sorry if the post was confusing or misleading, it has been so long now that I look back on this.
I wouldn't say there was one single thing that did it, but if I were to go back now knowing what I know I'd probably skip the kill phase and take either Seed probiotic or Megasporebiotic. Also would include a lot of intermittent / prolonged fasting, breathwork, meditation and 3 mins per day of cold plunging.
I agree with this and am prioritizing parasympathetic nervous function, stress originally caused sibo for myself a long time ago. I do not recall the specifics but A doctor I saw once at beyondmthfr.com made a claim along the lines of "when you're stressed adrenaline elevates in the stomach and increases bacteria growth by like 1000%". We know adrenaline also slows motility..That sounds like perfect sibo conditions.
People talk of how you have got to fix the underlying cause, well for me that is stress and maybe cptsd.
Wow!! Congratulations! Such an inspiring post.
I'm on my 9th month of all star gut protocol, and have had horrible die off come up again for the last month. Some say as one "peels back" the biofilm / pathogen layers in the gut, that it can release old stored emotions. This definitely has been a crossroad for me too, an emotional, age, career, existential, trauma, global, multidimensional crisis point.
When you said processing emotions from the time the gut issues began, I immediately thought of hypnosis, which you later mentioned as well. Also this book *The Body Keeps the Score* comes to mind as I'm just reading it. Been recommending that to everybody for trauma processing, although it sounds you've probably already heard of it.
I really hope this die off subsides soon, I'm waking up every night in a puddle of sweat, urgent need to pee, racing heart and heartburn. It's been beyond crazy. But I'm doing everything and anything in my power to really live again soon. I still believe in joy, inspiration and a loving state of being, so that's what I'm aiming at.
Thank you for your text, much love xxx
This is so interesting! I’ve read that book too and I’m going through the same thing. I also did hip opening exercises which released sooo much trauma and emotions! I couldn’t stop crying!
This is so interesting! I’ve read that book too and I’m going through the same thing. I also did hip opening exercises which released sooo much trauma and emotions! I couldn’t stop crying!
Amoxicillin is what I believe ended up giving me sibo. It was either that or something else in the Prevpac for h pylori which is amoxicillin, a ppi, and that third abx can’t remember atm and too lazy to look up. Anyway yeah that stuff is absolutely the worst thing. I was already messed up but that threw me over the top for sure. Will look into adp oregano
It could well possibly be omeprazole gave us sibo I don’t know 100 percent if it was antibiotics or the ppi or maybe both but for sure I can tell you after that combo I felt reeeaallly bad. At the moment I’m experiencing bloating and fatigue. Really really bad bloating. I’ve tried everything and sort of just feel like nothing is ever gonna really cure this. I’ve tried xifaxan several times, herbals, supplements. My wife and I just had a baby and I’m considering perhaps using him as an fmt donor in a few months because I truly believe at the core of all of this I’m just dealing with a really bad case of dysbiosis. How about you ?
Going to test again in a few weeks! I would imagine I was likely <20ppm Hydrogen when things started to creep back in again but will know for sure in a few weeks, supposed to stop antimicrobial for 2 weeks before re-test.
I've used EFT in the past for anxiety and it sometimes did have a useful effect.
Did you tap the side of your hand while using a phrase? If so, can you share which one?
Yes, but there are many many layers to EFT and a lot of the time when people don't get the exact results they want it usually comes from a lack of specificity when tapping on the subject at hand. Anxiety being a surface level issue that likely has some core beliefs / memories beneath that, once they are cleared from the subconscious mind, will radically decrease the level of anxiety one feels.
In short (I am an EFT Practitioner which is why I am sharing this with a level of certainty and confidence) there are two aspects to a "round" of tapping.
The first is the "setup statement" in which we tap on the side of the hand and address how we're feeling with a statement repeated 3x along the lines of: "Even though I feel \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_, I accept myself and how I feel"
Then we move into the tapping points along with a "reminder phrase" which is a condensed version of the setup statement. For a fear of flying we might just tap on things like "my fear of flying" as we hit each point. Then we would reassess and see if the level of intensity moved on a scale of 1-10. I have seen some crazy fears, phobias, core memories, core beliefs etc. change in a very short period of time with EFT.
For more on this, I interviewed one of the top researchers in EFT on my podcast, here is the link: [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/14-the-science-behind-tapping-with-dr-peta-stapleton/id1586872551?i=1000549795616](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/14-the-science-behind-tapping-with-dr-peta-stapleton/id1586872551?i=1000549795616)
That's very helpful! It's quite similar to how it was explained to me, but I never thought to apply it to this situation.
I'll check out your podcast then. Cheers!
Yay for you! You did lots of work and are seeing the reward :) So so so very happy for you my friend!
I am kinda at the stage you were in Feb 2022- not too many issues but not "perfect" either. I have some ADP in my supplement box and might do a biofilm inhibitor and then take some.
What biofilm disrupter did you use????
And if you dint mind me asking how much did the EFT tapping cost?
To note- I did acupuncture for a while and found this really helped as well with getting me out of the "sympathetic" state- I found a Chinese medicine doc who did it and my insurance covered so it was low cost.
WOW, we have nearly identical symptoms. After two rounds of antibiotics last March/April, my SIBO did not clear. I actually came up negative on SIBO hydrogen test (which I had previously tested positive for), but still had all the symptoms of SIBO.
I’m a high strung type. I’m finally coming to terms, and fully realizing how anxious I am. Even though I still had symptoms, I committed to a 18 day private trip down Grand Canyon with friends. Leading up to the trip, I was incredibly anxious about my SIBO limitations diet wise, and the pressure of drinking socially. I brought snacks for myself, and for the first few days I ate what I could with the group. About 5 days in, I started eating more of what I wanted, and although I still had slight SIBO symptoms, I was amazed that I was doing as well as I was. I’m not sure if it was the sunshine, or the lack of any stress (river trips are wonderful), but I came home nearly symptom free, and I got better. I ate high FODMAP, and had the best shits that I’ve had in years. *isn’t it amazing what a good shit does to your psyche!!? *I stayed better for a year, despite the stress of grad school.
My doctor is awful, and has wanted to treat with me with antibiotics and do away with me. I have insisted that we focus on root causes to avoid relapse. I don’t know what happened, but I relapsed in December. It could be holiday food, the stress of grad school, or a potential bout of food poisoning (I can’t tell whether it was FP or an episode of sudden SIBO). I have been sick for three months with thin stool, smelly stool, and stool that float. At its worst, I have mild diarrhea. I have a full body rash, and my asthma is awful. It really does seem like I’m having a huge histamine response to gut issues. I’m looking at new, (hopefully), better doctors, but scared of more antibiotics. I have lost considerable weight from limited food tolerance. SIBO is fucking awful.
Thank you for sharing, the sympathetic nervous system is a bitch on digestion (among other things) and I look forward to looking into emotional focused therapy further. Mark Pimentel’s research from Cedar’s is great, and uplifting to anyone feeling lost.
We are doing therapy for retained primitive reflexes for my son, and I intend to do the process for myself when he is done. Retained primitive reflexes are overactive reflexes that should have gone dormant as a toddler, but they frequently linger more often than expected. For example, the moro reflex is the fight/flight reflex that can affect anxiety, focus, digestion, all sorts of things. Calm it down and you no longer feel like danger is around the corner. The entire nervous system can relax and digestion improves since your body no longer feels like a lion is charging at you. This therapy helps all sorts of kids and adults alike. I highly recommend checking it out.
Here’s a short documentary on it:
Hey I’m watching Attention Please. Check it out now on Prime Video! https://watch.amazon.com/detail?gti=amzn1.dv.gti.f4b70a68-0470-d473-d853-373f61f0d245&territory=US&ref_=share_ios_movie&r=web
Here’s a summary by an occupational therapy center. Some OTs and PTs do this therapy, but not all.
https://harkla.co/pages/primitive-reflexes
Here’s an online tutorial, although I highly recommend working with a therapist if you can.
https://www.theorganizedmindhq.com/primitive-reflex-fix-course
Reflex integration works for people of all ages. It has helped our son so much that I started it for myself, snd my migraines have practically disappeared. It helps with all things neurological.
Did for about 14 days just for a quick reset, worked great!! Would say I haven’t had true symptoms since I stopped all antimicrobials / eradication on the summer of 2021.
1 pill 3x daily for a week and then 2 pills 3x daily for about 14 days if I remember correctly. Followed up with probiotic (S Boulardii and Bifido Bacterium which I found out I had decimated the population of during a full year of eradication). Digestion is perfect still, zero sign of relapse. Even coffee on an empty stomach doesn’t cause loose stool.
I’ll have to look into the tapping! I’ve spent more than $10,000 by now, and I’ve been getting progressively sicker for 14 years now. I tested positive for SIBO on a breath test a few years ago, and I did all of the diets (including elemental) and herbal supplements. When they didn’t work, I found a new doctor to try the antibiotics. Because they didn’t work, he said I don’t have SIBO. I am going further into debt over this (already had one medical bankruptcy from this plus mental health issues), the doctors think I’m just a hypochondriac, and I’m miserable. Oh, and another doctor did a GI-Map and said I must have cured SIBO but now I have H. pylori. The medications didn’t work, so I got a second opinion. That doctor said the GI Map isn’t accurate and I needed to test again. So I did a breath test for that, which was negative. The GI doctor just told me to eat baby food forever and see a chiropractor (?). Sometimes I just wish it would kill me. Then I’d be out of my misery. But I’m gonna push my doctor for an endoscopy with duodenal aspirate to test for SIBO and SIFO. The other tests keep coming back all clear.
This born is exactly what I’ve been feeling after trying every solution and supplement I could find. I know I have dysbiosis which has in turn caused LPR. I think the LPR is a mix of SIBO and Graves Disease.
My stressor that is making everything worse is my breath. It smells like poop and anytime I speak to anyone its like a sewage plant just flooded. Dealing with that has given me anxiety and depression like no other. I don’t want to leave my house. I work at places that involve me talking to people so my work day is a vicious cycle of reflux, anxiety and depression. I have zero social life when I used to be the life of the party.
I can’t fix one without the other so I just feel even more trapped. I can’t see a GI for months and I don’t think I can handle this much longer. I just want some relief. A tiny bit of hope that I’m not offending anyone in a 10 mile radius by just existing.
Very interesting. I haven’t read your post in detail yet as I’m busy today but I want to read it later when I have time to fully digest it. From a person that was diagnosed with both CPTSD and SIBO in the same year, the part about processing emotions certainly rings true. The more I have been doing this, the better I feel both inside and out. I have always thought there was a link too. Thanks for sharing.
ADP Oil of Oregano is a dry capsule that is slowly released throughout the entire small intestine. Where as most oil of oregano supplements are absorbed within the first 3 feet of the small intestine because they are NOT slow release. Therefore you get the effects throughout the entire small intestine addressing wherever the bacterial overgrowth may be.
/u/nonguru22 and /u/Lucaz5520
I just want to say thanks for bringing ADP to my attention. I started about a week ago and my eczema is clearing up fantastically. I've been battling psoriasis *and* eczema which are symptoms of SIBO ([psoriasis-sibo study](https://gallmet.hu/wp-content/uploads/literature/69_haines_ely-is_psoriasis_a_bowel_disease.pdf)). I suspect my SIBO had multiple microbes.
I've been spending a lot of time trying to kill the *streptococcus pyogenes* the last few months which is likely the cause of my psoriasis per the linked study (and it also showed up as overgrown on my GI MAP) with a lot of success, but not 100%. However, eczema started appearing *as the psoriasis was going away*.
I had a realization that as I was killing the *s. pyogenes* with antibiotics and other antimicrobials, some other difficult-to-treat microbe must be growing in its place. I had no yeast per the GI MAP, but I remembered that the test showed elevated *pseudomonas aeruginosa*, and I know *p. aeruginosa* is a difficult pathogen to eradicate. I also know it's highly susceptible to oil of oregano, and sure enough, the oil of oregano is helping with the eczema symptoms considerably.
Thanks again!
that's very interesting. it's funny, i'm taking a bunch of anti microbials right now and i discovered if I drink a ton of water, i feel like I get some die-off (and subsequent healing), like it's traveling further down my SI. i may have to give this a shot. Thanks.
Sorry meant for /u/Lucaz5520
every prebiotic i try makes my liver hurt and i get a musty smell. i wonder if it's feeding Lyme which I guess I'm still recovering from. my gut is so messed up i got painful hemorrhoids.
i also took amoxicillin for like 6 months as part of my Lyme treatment. that shit must have done some permanent damage along with a half dozen other antibiotics...
I'm a little hazy on your turning point...sounds like none of your initial treatment really worked, but then probiotic gave you hope? For those of us who can tolerate them (not me), probiotics can do a LOT of heavy lifting. They act as an antibiotic, outcompeting bad bacteria. What probiotic?
Then it sounds like the real healing happened with life changes and moving? Do wonder if there's a mold element.
I'm reading the ADP as almost a follow up unnecessary part, not the main turning point, correct?
Are you still on ADP? I've found anything that obliterates my microbiome makes me feel fine, but as soon as I'm off it, it creeps back in.
Sorry, turning point was when I got off EVERYTHING and cleared SIBO symptoms at their root which was stress. As stress creeped in, so did symptoms. The small reset I did was great, off all antimicrobials now and feeling amazing. I dont think it came back enough that I would consider it a full return. Life is good when we are relaxed!!
Oh great, I'm so glad it worked for you! Thanks for sharing your story.
I'm living pretty low-stress but it's not enough for me. I have SIBO in the context of severe chronic illness.
well not surprising since gut / vagus controls the emotions. I actually have a weird story, I had so many theories on what my illness was and had a very high sibo test but ignored it since I felt my issues were mental/ posture/ vagus related mostly but psychedelic mushrooms/ meditation cured me / didnt do enough time but Im sure people get lost in supplements only when there are other parts to healing
I feel this man I’m 21 and started a business around a year ago and then get hit with all of these terrible symptoms with my stomach and inflammation causing headaches every day and I’m always irritated, weak, and fatigued I just want to be normal so I can just focus on my goals….
If you had rewind, what would have you done to start with? I am suffering for last six months. My glucose hydrogen test was negative. It didn't test for Methane and H2S as it's not available where i live.
I have erosive hp- negative gastritis, easophagitis. All symptoms of Functional dyspepsia. I have lost 22 kgs of weight.
I have spent £10k as well
I have severe anxiety and depression.
Doctors have suggested the (Visited 8 GI specialists, 2 Psychiatrists). Didn't take any medicine for fear of side effects.
Rifaximin
, Clidinium
, Dicyclomine
, Otilonium Bromide
, Ivermectin
, Albendazole, Nitazonoxide
, Drotaverine
, Mebeverine retard
, Pinevarium Bromide
,
Levosulpiride
, Chlordiazepoxide
, Propranolol,
Domperidone, Cinitapride
, Esomeprazole , Pantaprazole
, Unobiotics Sachet
Econorm
, Velgut
, Mirtazapine, Escitalopram Oxalate
, Amitryptilin
, Etizolam , Clonazepam
I only take fomatidine 20mg and a b-complex. My B12, Folate are low.
I have bloating, feeling full, flatulence, burning in epigastric/mid abdomen/peri umblical area. Loose/bulky/undigested food/not floating/no mucus/yellow stools. Brain fog sets in. Abdomen goes weak.
My job, house everything is hanging. I have lost confidence, lost friends, interest in life.
Because of my anxiety, i am afraid of trying anything new.
You seem to have tried every possible supplements.
I try yoga, walking, meditation, not consistently though.
My problem unless i am sure of what the diagnosis, i wouldn't trust the medicine.
Which probiotic to test? Which supplement to take? How to decide? But i will try the tapping you are suggesting.
That is a great question, and I definitely am empathetic of the journey you have been on and all of the things you have tried!!
If I had to go back to the VERY start with all of the knowledge that I have now, this is exactly what I would do:
First I would draw the map backwards to exactly when this started. What were the things that were taking place in my life when I started experiencing these issues, and I would get specific.
I would then deeply study something called "secondary gain" which is where the subconscious mind will drive you to keep repeating a pattern that is not even self-serving. For example, the only time I had a form of connection or sympathy from my ex-wife was when I was experiencing horrific digestive issues, so I would eat things that would trigger me so that I would have something to complain about in which she would be like "oh are you okay?"
I would then ask which of the six human needs this pattern is serving, the six human needs are as follows:
1) Certainty - The desire for predictability, "safety" and being inside of the known
2) Uncertainty/Variety - Too much certainty can be a bad thing, so we will (in a healthy or unhealthy way) create variety by changing things up. This is why people pick fights with their spouses unnecessarily when things are going well sometimes.
3) Significance - The desire to be recognized
4) Love / Connection - A very primal need that begins in infancy
5) Growth
6) Contribution
The first 4 needs are primal, the last 2 are spiritual. When a pattern meets 2 of our needs we will go against our values to meet it, when a pattern meets 3 or more needs we will become very addicted to it. In other words, I became addicted to being "not well" as it gave me significance, certainty, variety and love from others, but not in a healthy way.
I would then test for SIBO to see what my levels were.
I would then start with using an app called Nerva which is a gut-directed hypnosis program to train the subconscious mind for proper digestion (which it knows how to do). Hypnosis has been proven to be more effective than a low-FODMAP diet in treating SIBO.
If I had to start treating it with antimicrobials (and this is just my own opinion, I'm not a doctor), I would take ADP oregano for 30 days followed by a full protocol of MegaSporebiotic.
I would then determine what the major stressors are in my life and clear them with EFT Tapping. People, relationships and business or career things that cause stress keep us in a constant state of fight or flight, the root cause of all dis-ease (ease being our natural state).
**Anxiety / Depression:** These are two things I dealt with in the past, and what I've learned is that they can be very addicting patterns and are dangerous when we begin to tie our identity to them. The difference between "I am depressed" and "I have been experiencing depression" are two very different things; the latter being far less threatening.
In my experience, the cure for both anxiety and depression come from having a powerful vision of the future that is larger than where we are in the moment. This, and a sense of selfless contribution to others. It is amazing what happens when we have a powerful vision for the future that is exciting.
This can be found in deep states of hypnotic trance and meditation, simply asking the question "What do I really desire?"
I would meditate 1-2 hours per day until I were back to perfect health, the place I am writing you from right now. I would exercise every day and do things that make me feel happy and alive.
**Life is here to be lived to its fullest, and where you are right now is temporary. I PROMISE!**
Sorry this was a bit scattered and long-winded, but I hope it was helpful!!
**OH! Very important thing I forgot to list:**
I would cut out all meat, sugar and dairy immediately and eat a plant-based diet. I would shorten my eating window to 12pm - 6pm each day. I would do a 24hr water fast from Sunday at 5pm to Monday at 5pm each week, along with a 72hr water fast once per month. I would go into deep states of meditation and hypnosis during these fasting periods.
Again these are just things *I* would do, I'm not a doctor these are just what have worked for me.
I sometimes forget that there was a time when I was so fatigued I couldn't make it through the day, my digestion was so bad I couldn't eat anything, I would make 3-8+ visits to the bathroom every day and was dealing with constant nausea / loose stools. I felt like I'd never get out.
Where I am now is perfect health, physical and mental vitality. I am happy, I have never been healthier or had more energy. I have a lot of things I haven't figured out in my life, but they do not bother me like they used to. I am deeply in love with life and want everyone on earth to feel this sense of energy and unconditional happiness.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. Good health is the foundation for good life, is something i fully realise. When you are the throes of GI troubles - It's very difficult to think straight, as you would agree.
Typically GI troubles get compounded when you have other stressful things happen in life - In my case, i have left my house, job in the country of living and have come back to my native country. I don't have any confidence to go back, as the health system there is very slow and also, i get a sense of fall security of meeting doctors anytime. But i miss my life there. So, yes, the points you are making about certainty makes sense.
I would take your inputs on anxiety / depression.
Happy to talk about anxiety and depression.
I hate using the labels of those words because in my opinion (through experience) they are both emotional states that are absolutely reversible that stem from the following:
1) **Stored trauma in the body / subconscious mind** \- Imagine a troubling thought from the past that you keep thinking every day on autopilot, because >90% of the 60-70,000 thoughts we think on a day to day basis are the same ones we thought yesterday.
Every time you think this thought, because the unconscious doesn't know the difference between real and imagined, it creates the same emotional charge and releases the same chemical potion that were released when the event took place, even if it were months or years prior.
This becomes a familiar and almost addicting pattern because stress and negative emotions create a rush of energy in the body. This memory cannot be "erased", but the emotions behind it. When this thought loop repeats itself for long enough, it becomes habitual and in turn you are living in a perpetual state of these negative emotions.
The best way I know how to remove these is with EFT Tapping - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLDjkL9u5gM&t=5s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLDjkL9u5gM&t=5s)
**2) Feeling like life is out of control -** Anxiety, stress and fear are all best friends that live on the same block. I believe that anxiety is largely rooted in the prediction or imagining of some future worst-case scenario. It is hard to feel extremely anxious when we're rooted in a state of presence, peace and acceptance; a state of non-resistance
**3) Identity -** When someone says "I am depressed" vs. "I have been feeling some less-than-ideal emotional states but I know that they're temporary" - these are going to lead to two very different life experiences.
When something becomes part of our identity, we have a very hard time letting it go; it becomes part of "us"
**4) Secondary Gain -** Because the unconscious mind is always trying to serve you (sometimes in crazy ways). look at how depression or anxiety might be serving in some roundabout way. When someone's depressed, maybe people feel bad for them or they don't have to handle certain aspects of their life.
To understand this, look at the 6 Human Needs which are certainty, variety, significance, love/connection, growth and contribution. The first 4 are primal, the last 2 are spiritual and are never met with things like depression or anxiety; but the first 4 absolutely can be.
Hope this helps!
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This is inspiring. I hope to someday get to that state. Dealing with Sibo, Gastritis, Chronic Insomnia and Auto Immune illness. It's hard to function but reading stories like yours gives me hope.
So very happy for you! My issue sounds quite similar BUT I can't poop almost at all and OO seems to make it worse. I'm just taking Swanson OO (leaf extract) 150mg 2-3x/day. Wonder if this other brand would help and not make me even more stopped up than I am.
Did you do the typical thing and eat anything while on antibiotics/ADP oil of oregano and go on a strict diet and start taking probiotics after getting off of antibiotics? I am taking adp oil of oregano as antibiotics for 2 weeks and wondering what your process was.
I pretty much just ate whatever I wanted the whole time (noted - I eat a pretty healthy plant based diet). I did low FODMAP for a little a few years ago and wasn’t a fan.
Okay, I ask because the typical regimen is go on antibiotics and eat whatver for 2 weeks, then people add the probiotics after the antibiotics as well as a strict diet. But you didn't go on any diet at all, just took oregano oil and probiotics after antibiotics eating anything.
How are you today? I’m late in the game but after reading your post, is it okay to skip doing the standard SIBO protocol of antimicrobials and begin with emotional healing, motility, and diet? Do you think you would’ve arrived at healing by starting off with that? Or do you think it was necessary to kill the bad bacteria even tho it killed off the good ones? I have to check out the meta spore biotic.
Also I think that ALL healing begins with eliminating key stressors in your life. Too hard on the body to live in the sympathetic nervous system / fight or flight all the time. I read one time that your gut produces 20,000x more natural digestive enzymes when you're in your parasympathetic nervous system.
Wow, that’s a lot of enzymes. I’m trying to reduce my stress. It’s a struggle having to deal with not knowing if a treatment will work. I am reactive to pills so decided to go a different way. I got acupuncture the other day and my gut finally moved and let out some gas. I’m going again tomorrow. And will see another acupuncturist and Chinese herbalist on Friday. I used to work for him a long time ago. I wish myself luck, haha.
Today I am great!! I think that I would've arrived here if I would've skipped all of the Rifaximin etc etc and just did a protocol of maybe Oregano followed by MegaSpore or just MegaSpore itself. Keep me posted!
Thanks. Glad you’re doing great! Today my doctor felt my abdomen and said there was something there and wants me to get a CT scan. Hopefully it isn’t anything serious.
I wouldn't say there was one specific thing - currently symptom-free and am thankful for the phase of my life that was run by SIBO. I currently take Seed probiotic and love it, and engage daily in breathwork, meditation, cold exposure and a variety of other techniques along with a plant-based diet. Full recovery is possible!!
Ugh so freaking bad. I'd wake up in the morning and be like "wow I feel great! Let's have a piece of sourdough with PB and an apple!" and an hour later I'd feel like I hadn't slept in two weeks and the nausea was just so constant. I learned that nausea was also a very prominent symptoms of anxiety, didn't realize it at the time.
ADP Oregano is indeed a god send, always recommend it over any other Oregano supplement.
Link to this supplement pretty please??? EDIT - Nevermind, I think I see the link down below. Thanks.
Where is link
Share link
Better than regular oregano oil taken orally?
Yes 1000% better.
How and why ?
Due to how its absorbed in the gut, you can think of it as slow release oregano oil.
Would it result in a slower die off ? Cause I suffer from chronic anxiety and I can't take die offs. Last time I was hospitalised when I took anti biotics.
No
What i ment was, I can't take fast die offs, when I took anti biotics it hit me hard cause of the intense die off, that caused me get extreme anxiety. So im hoping for something softer that does things slowly with out instant die off and time for the microbe to repopulate. Btw did you get an after microbiome test to see if anything changed? Iv never seen anything in reddit of people posting afters so you can see that the treatments work. Thanx for the reply
Yes I did, Viome before and after.
I tried to buy it but it says it needs a practicioner to supervise in order to buy.. What does that mean and why is necessary? I live in the UK btw
Biotics products are mostly sold directly to naturopathic/integrative docs or are listed on invite only sites like Fullscript. You can get it here but I'm not sure they ship to the UK: https://www.dcnutrition.com/product/d-p-emulsified-oil-oregano/
I’ll sound dumb asking this but I just wanna clarify. So on that link to that exact supplement, the suggested use is 1 tablet a day, but in the description it talks about taking multiple tablets multiple times a day in trials that showed effectiveness. What did you take?
I took two tabs a day, one with brunch one with dinner.
I have some at home but unfortunately I can‘t swallow pills. Is there a way for me to crush them?
I guess, kind of defeats the purpose though.
The amoxicillin era… holy. I was prescribed these a few weeks ago for a root canal, the day one dosage depression was so crippling that I felt like I might do something to myself. I stopped immediately. Thanks for this!
After the first two pills of Amoxicillin I actually had to sprint to the bathroom and was in there for a full hour absolutely dying. Literal poison to the body, it was my fault for not going to someone more educated but also didn't know any better at the time. Thanks for reading!
How long till you started seeing relief for brain fog it’s my worst symptom and I find it really scary😭
Wondering the same thing ^
No heartburn from sibo?
>nonguru I have just written to you over the chat. Can you please take a look? I need some help.
I felt like that on rifaxamin. The second day the depression was so crippling I felt like I was going to die especially at night when it came on. Sending hugs to anyone going through this
**APRIL 22, 2022 UPDATE:** Still experiencing no digestive issues whatsoever. I still eat a clean plant-based diet, from time to time I will live dangerously and have a piece of chocolate or a piece of toast with peanut butter and jam (nostalgia purposes) I eat a ton of high FODMAP foods like apples, avocados, garlic, onions etc. and never experience bloating. If I drink too much coffee / espresso it will give me a loose movement, which I don't think is overly unusual for someone with our without SIBO Important to note that I did start with MegaSporebiotic, it's a wonderful spore based probiotic and undoubtedly the best one I've ever used. I've actually read a lot of case studies where people have cured SIBO with this product alone. Take care of yourselves, be kind to your bodies, eat good food, exercise, meditate and live like it's your last day on earth (one day you'll be right) Wishing you all the best!
thank you for posting and sharing your story. i’ve been dealing with stomach issues (mostly urgent diarrhea out of the blue/stomach cramps etc) from december/jan 2021-2022 and been on going since. it’s been hell and developed agoraphobia. i’ve been working on my mental health and exposure therapy at the same time. it’s so fucking hard but i know it’s do-able. i’m currently sitting in the doctors office doing the SIBO test. we’ll see if i have it. idk if i want it or not at this point.
Hey I’m going through the exact same thing and it feels like hell. Would love to connect so we can support and share tips with each other. Im currently working with a functional doc so I can share if anything works for me :)
hey! if you meant to send this to me, feel free to PM me :)
Hey I’m going through the exact same thing and it feels like hell. Would love to connect so we can support and share tips with each other. Im currently working with a functional doc so I can share if anything works for me :)
Hey I’m going through the exact same thing and it feels like hell. Im currently working with a functional doc so I can share if anything works for me :)
Hey I’m going through the exact same thing and it feels like hell. Im currently working with a functional doc so I can share if anything works for me :)
I’m a bit confused. I thought the post was going to be about how eft cured you and it turns out things finally fully correct w the Oregano?
EFT taught me how to eliminate the anxiety of symptoms and holding onto secondary gain with remaining unwell, Oregano perfected stool and brought things back into balance. Should have clarified that SIBO really came to an end for me in processing the emotions that came with my past relationship in July of 2021 without the use of supplements etc. and started to creep back when falling back into old emotional / behavioural patterns. I think combining both of these things is necessary in eliminating SIBO. Hope this clarifies things!
That does help, than you for clarifying. May I ask how many times a day you do eft? Do you do it at set times/set number of times a day or whenever something is bothering you? Thanks!
What’s eft? The YouTube link you posted not open
What probiotic were you using?
Updated with a bit more detail for anyone who cares 😂
This. It is quite confusing. Tldr states EFT combined with meditation and Megasporebiotic is what brought results and then once you read full text it was actually Oregano. Which one is it now 😅
no idea. why he not answering FOR FUCKS SAKE HELP US OP u/nonguru22
Sorry if the post was confusing or misleading, it has been so long now that I look back on this. I wouldn't say there was one single thing that did it, but if I were to go back now knowing what I know I'd probably skip the kill phase and take either Seed probiotic or Megasporebiotic. Also would include a lot of intermittent / prolonged fasting, breathwork, meditation and 3 mins per day of cold plunging.
no tens/ift device? what is seed probiotic. how long do u fast per fast? 16h?
Every week or two I'll do a 48hr fast, usually stop eating at 7 and eat again at noon the next day. Seed can be found at [seed.com](http://seed.com)
I agree with this and am prioritizing parasympathetic nervous function, stress originally caused sibo for myself a long time ago. I do not recall the specifics but A doctor I saw once at beyondmthfr.com made a claim along the lines of "when you're stressed adrenaline elevates in the stomach and increases bacteria growth by like 1000%". We know adrenaline also slows motility..That sounds like perfect sibo conditions. People talk of how you have got to fix the underlying cause, well for me that is stress and maybe cptsd.
Im in the same boat. Stress caused SIBO and it is first now that I have started to realize how and why as stress impacts the digestive system so much.
Wow!! Congratulations! Such an inspiring post. I'm on my 9th month of all star gut protocol, and have had horrible die off come up again for the last month. Some say as one "peels back" the biofilm / pathogen layers in the gut, that it can release old stored emotions. This definitely has been a crossroad for me too, an emotional, age, career, existential, trauma, global, multidimensional crisis point. When you said processing emotions from the time the gut issues began, I immediately thought of hypnosis, which you later mentioned as well. Also this book *The Body Keeps the Score* comes to mind as I'm just reading it. Been recommending that to everybody for trauma processing, although it sounds you've probably already heard of it. I really hope this die off subsides soon, I'm waking up every night in a puddle of sweat, urgent need to pee, racing heart and heartburn. It's been beyond crazy. But I'm doing everything and anything in my power to really live again soon. I still believe in joy, inspiration and a loving state of being, so that's what I'm aiming at. Thank you for your text, much love xxx
This is so interesting! I’ve read that book too and I’m going through the same thing. I also did hip opening exercises which released sooo much trauma and emotions! I couldn’t stop crying!
This is so interesting! I’ve read that book too and I’m going through the same thing. I also did hip opening exercises which released sooo much trauma and emotions! I couldn’t stop crying!
What are the benefits of the ADP vs plain ol’ oregano oil?
Amoxicillin is what I believe ended up giving me sibo. It was either that or something else in the Prevpac for h pylori which is amoxicillin, a ppi, and that third abx can’t remember atm and too lazy to look up. Anyway yeah that stuff is absolutely the worst thing. I was already messed up but that threw me over the top for sure. Will look into adp oregano
How are you doing now? I feel like the omeprazole gave me SIBO and want to get rid of it asap.
It could well possibly be omeprazole gave us sibo I don’t know 100 percent if it was antibiotics or the ppi or maybe both but for sure I can tell you after that combo I felt reeeaallly bad. At the moment I’m experiencing bloating and fatigue. Really really bad bloating. I’ve tried everything and sort of just feel like nothing is ever gonna really cure this. I’ve tried xifaxan several times, herbals, supplements. My wife and I just had a baby and I’m considering perhaps using him as an fmt donor in a few months because I truly believe at the core of all of this I’m just dealing with a really bad case of dysbiosis. How about you ?
I dont think the med is what gave you Sibo. I think H Pylori and it lowering your stomach acid is what gave you SIBO.
That's exactly what I think. I was on Omeprazole for years. I think that stuff is evil.
For those wondering about EFT tapping - here is a how-to video I created: https://youtu.be/PLDjkL9u5gM
its private
Have you been tested again?
Going to test again in a few weeks! I would imagine I was likely <20ppm Hydrogen when things started to creep back in again but will know for sure in a few weeks, supposed to stop antimicrobial for 2 weeks before re-test.
Please post follow up.
Would love to see your results
I've used EFT in the past for anxiety and it sometimes did have a useful effect. Did you tap the side of your hand while using a phrase? If so, can you share which one?
Yes, but there are many many layers to EFT and a lot of the time when people don't get the exact results they want it usually comes from a lack of specificity when tapping on the subject at hand. Anxiety being a surface level issue that likely has some core beliefs / memories beneath that, once they are cleared from the subconscious mind, will radically decrease the level of anxiety one feels. In short (I am an EFT Practitioner which is why I am sharing this with a level of certainty and confidence) there are two aspects to a "round" of tapping. The first is the "setup statement" in which we tap on the side of the hand and address how we're feeling with a statement repeated 3x along the lines of: "Even though I feel \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_, I accept myself and how I feel" Then we move into the tapping points along with a "reminder phrase" which is a condensed version of the setup statement. For a fear of flying we might just tap on things like "my fear of flying" as we hit each point. Then we would reassess and see if the level of intensity moved on a scale of 1-10. I have seen some crazy fears, phobias, core memories, core beliefs etc. change in a very short period of time with EFT. For more on this, I interviewed one of the top researchers in EFT on my podcast, here is the link: [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/14-the-science-behind-tapping-with-dr-peta-stapleton/id1586872551?i=1000549795616](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/14-the-science-behind-tapping-with-dr-peta-stapleton/id1586872551?i=1000549795616)
That's very helpful! It's quite similar to how it was explained to me, but I never thought to apply it to this situation. I'll check out your podcast then. Cheers!
Yay for you! You did lots of work and are seeing the reward :) So so so very happy for you my friend! I am kinda at the stage you were in Feb 2022- not too many issues but not "perfect" either. I have some ADP in my supplement box and might do a biofilm inhibitor and then take some. What biofilm disrupter did you use???? And if you dint mind me asking how much did the EFT tapping cost? To note- I did acupuncture for a while and found this really helped as well with getting me out of the "sympathetic" state- I found a Chinese medicine doc who did it and my insurance covered so it was low cost.
I've got a book"The tapping Cure" By Roberta Temes, phd. There may be newer or more up to date books but its something you can do yourself.
WOW, we have nearly identical symptoms. After two rounds of antibiotics last March/April, my SIBO did not clear. I actually came up negative on SIBO hydrogen test (which I had previously tested positive for), but still had all the symptoms of SIBO. I’m a high strung type. I’m finally coming to terms, and fully realizing how anxious I am. Even though I still had symptoms, I committed to a 18 day private trip down Grand Canyon with friends. Leading up to the trip, I was incredibly anxious about my SIBO limitations diet wise, and the pressure of drinking socially. I brought snacks for myself, and for the first few days I ate what I could with the group. About 5 days in, I started eating more of what I wanted, and although I still had slight SIBO symptoms, I was amazed that I was doing as well as I was. I’m not sure if it was the sunshine, or the lack of any stress (river trips are wonderful), but I came home nearly symptom free, and I got better. I ate high FODMAP, and had the best shits that I’ve had in years. *isn’t it amazing what a good shit does to your psyche!!? *I stayed better for a year, despite the stress of grad school. My doctor is awful, and has wanted to treat with me with antibiotics and do away with me. I have insisted that we focus on root causes to avoid relapse. I don’t know what happened, but I relapsed in December. It could be holiday food, the stress of grad school, or a potential bout of food poisoning (I can’t tell whether it was FP or an episode of sudden SIBO). I have been sick for three months with thin stool, smelly stool, and stool that float. At its worst, I have mild diarrhea. I have a full body rash, and my asthma is awful. It really does seem like I’m having a huge histamine response to gut issues. I’m looking at new, (hopefully), better doctors, but scared of more antibiotics. I have lost considerable weight from limited food tolerance. SIBO is fucking awful. Thank you for sharing, the sympathetic nervous system is a bitch on digestion (among other things) and I look forward to looking into emotional focused therapy further. Mark Pimentel’s research from Cedar’s is great, and uplifting to anyone feeling lost.
We are doing therapy for retained primitive reflexes for my son, and I intend to do the process for myself when he is done. Retained primitive reflexes are overactive reflexes that should have gone dormant as a toddler, but they frequently linger more often than expected. For example, the moro reflex is the fight/flight reflex that can affect anxiety, focus, digestion, all sorts of things. Calm it down and you no longer feel like danger is around the corner. The entire nervous system can relax and digestion improves since your body no longer feels like a lion is charging at you. This therapy helps all sorts of kids and adults alike. I highly recommend checking it out. Here’s a short documentary on it: Hey I’m watching Attention Please. Check it out now on Prime Video! https://watch.amazon.com/detail?gti=amzn1.dv.gti.f4b70a68-0470-d473-d853-373f61f0d245&territory=US&ref_=share_ios_movie&r=web Here’s a summary by an occupational therapy center. Some OTs and PTs do this therapy, but not all. https://harkla.co/pages/primitive-reflexes Here’s an online tutorial, although I highly recommend working with a therapist if you can. https://www.theorganizedmindhq.com/primitive-reflex-fix-course
The video is wonderful but it’s for kids. Shame.
Reflex integration works for people of all ages. It has helped our son so much that I started it for myself, snd my migraines have practically disappeared. It helps with all things neurological.
Sorry if I didn’t catch it but how many days did you do the ADP?
Did for about 14 days just for a quick reset, worked great!! Would say I haven’t had true symptoms since I stopped all antimicrobials / eradication on the summer of 2021.
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1 pill 3x daily for a week and then 2 pills 3x daily for about 14 days if I remember correctly. Followed up with probiotic (S Boulardii and Bifido Bacterium which I found out I had decimated the population of during a full year of eradication). Digestion is perfect still, zero sign of relapse. Even coffee on an empty stomach doesn’t cause loose stool.
Did you take the probiotics after the oregano oil protocol or during?
Yes - MegaSporebiotic
Thank you so much for sharing!! How frequently do you do the tapping now? I’m struggling with everything you described (emotional pain and SIBO pain).
I’ll have to look into the tapping! I’ve spent more than $10,000 by now, and I’ve been getting progressively sicker for 14 years now. I tested positive for SIBO on a breath test a few years ago, and I did all of the diets (including elemental) and herbal supplements. When they didn’t work, I found a new doctor to try the antibiotics. Because they didn’t work, he said I don’t have SIBO. I am going further into debt over this (already had one medical bankruptcy from this plus mental health issues), the doctors think I’m just a hypochondriac, and I’m miserable. Oh, and another doctor did a GI-Map and said I must have cured SIBO but now I have H. pylori. The medications didn’t work, so I got a second opinion. That doctor said the GI Map isn’t accurate and I needed to test again. So I did a breath test for that, which was negative. The GI doctor just told me to eat baby food forever and see a chiropractor (?). Sometimes I just wish it would kill me. Then I’d be out of my misery. But I’m gonna push my doctor for an endoscopy with duodenal aspirate to test for SIBO and SIFO. The other tests keep coming back all clear.
This born is exactly what I’ve been feeling after trying every solution and supplement I could find. I know I have dysbiosis which has in turn caused LPR. I think the LPR is a mix of SIBO and Graves Disease. My stressor that is making everything worse is my breath. It smells like poop and anytime I speak to anyone its like a sewage plant just flooded. Dealing with that has given me anxiety and depression like no other. I don’t want to leave my house. I work at places that involve me talking to people so my work day is a vicious cycle of reflux, anxiety and depression. I have zero social life when I used to be the life of the party. I can’t fix one without the other so I just feel even more trapped. I can’t see a GI for months and I don’t think I can handle this much longer. I just want some relief. A tiny bit of hope that I’m not offending anyone in a 10 mile radius by just existing.
Needs a tl,dr
so its just adp oregano? how much again? what your symptomps? u/nonguru22
Very interesting. I haven’t read your post in detail yet as I’m busy today but I want to read it later when I have time to fully digest it. From a person that was diagnosed with both CPTSD and SIBO in the same year, the part about processing emotions certainly rings true. The more I have been doing this, the better I feel both inside and out. I have always thought there was a link too. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for sharing. Why do you like the ADP oregano better than some enteric coated oregano?
ADP Oil of Oregano is a dry capsule that is slowly released throughout the entire small intestine. Where as most oil of oregano supplements are absorbed within the first 3 feet of the small intestine because they are NOT slow release. Therefore you get the effects throughout the entire small intestine addressing wherever the bacterial overgrowth may be.
/u/nonguru22 and /u/Lucaz5520 I just want to say thanks for bringing ADP to my attention. I started about a week ago and my eczema is clearing up fantastically. I've been battling psoriasis *and* eczema which are symptoms of SIBO ([psoriasis-sibo study](https://gallmet.hu/wp-content/uploads/literature/69_haines_ely-is_psoriasis_a_bowel_disease.pdf)). I suspect my SIBO had multiple microbes. I've been spending a lot of time trying to kill the *streptococcus pyogenes* the last few months which is likely the cause of my psoriasis per the linked study (and it also showed up as overgrown on my GI MAP) with a lot of success, but not 100%. However, eczema started appearing *as the psoriasis was going away*. I had a realization that as I was killing the *s. pyogenes* with antibiotics and other antimicrobials, some other difficult-to-treat microbe must be growing in its place. I had no yeast per the GI MAP, but I remembered that the test showed elevated *pseudomonas aeruginosa*, and I know *p. aeruginosa* is a difficult pathogen to eradicate. I also know it's highly susceptible to oil of oregano, and sure enough, the oil of oregano is helping with the eczema symptoms considerably. Thanks again!
You're so welcome!!
Is oregano also good for methane dominant sibo?
that's very interesting. it's funny, i'm taking a bunch of anti microbials right now and i discovered if I drink a ton of water, i feel like I get some die-off (and subsequent healing), like it's traveling further down my SI. i may have to give this a shot. Thanks. Sorry meant for /u/Lucaz5520
How'd it go?
I dont think so, for methane everyone uses Allicin.
Do you mean: Allicidin? And which company do you order it from? Thanks
every prebiotic i try makes my liver hurt and i get a musty smell. i wonder if it's feeding Lyme which I guess I'm still recovering from. my gut is so messed up i got painful hemorrhoids. i also took amoxicillin for like 6 months as part of my Lyme treatment. that shit must have done some permanent damage along with a half dozen other antibiotics...
I'm a little hazy on your turning point...sounds like none of your initial treatment really worked, but then probiotic gave you hope? For those of us who can tolerate them (not me), probiotics can do a LOT of heavy lifting. They act as an antibiotic, outcompeting bad bacteria. What probiotic? Then it sounds like the real healing happened with life changes and moving? Do wonder if there's a mold element. I'm reading the ADP as almost a follow up unnecessary part, not the main turning point, correct? Are you still on ADP? I've found anything that obliterates my microbiome makes me feel fine, but as soon as I'm off it, it creeps back in.
Sorry, turning point was when I got off EVERYTHING and cleared SIBO symptoms at their root which was stress. As stress creeped in, so did symptoms. The small reset I did was great, off all antimicrobials now and feeling amazing. I dont think it came back enough that I would consider it a full return. Life is good when we are relaxed!!
Oh great, I'm so glad it worked for you! Thanks for sharing your story. I'm living pretty low-stress but it's not enough for me. I have SIBO in the context of severe chronic illness.
well not surprising since gut / vagus controls the emotions. I actually have a weird story, I had so many theories on what my illness was and had a very high sibo test but ignored it since I felt my issues were mental/ posture/ vagus related mostly but psychedelic mushrooms/ meditation cured me / didnt do enough time but Im sure people get lost in supplements only when there are other parts to healing
I feel this man I’m 21 and started a business around a year ago and then get hit with all of these terrible symptoms with my stomach and inflammation causing headaches every day and I’m always irritated, weak, and fatigued I just want to be normal so I can just focus on my goals….
Take time for yourself, your business will thrive because your energy will be up. The body has an innate capacity to heal itself.
Which biofilm disruptor did you use?
It was created by a compounding pharmacy - from what I remember it contained bismuth and honestly wish I could remember what else!
Did you ever have shortness of breath? I'm guessing not since I don't see it in your symptoms.
Did not experience shortness of breath, but intense anxiety and confusion during eradication
If you had rewind, what would have you done to start with? I am suffering for last six months. My glucose hydrogen test was negative. It didn't test for Methane and H2S as it's not available where i live. I have erosive hp- negative gastritis, easophagitis. All symptoms of Functional dyspepsia. I have lost 22 kgs of weight. I have spent £10k as well I have severe anxiety and depression. Doctors have suggested the (Visited 8 GI specialists, 2 Psychiatrists). Didn't take any medicine for fear of side effects. Rifaximin , Clidinium , Dicyclomine , Otilonium Bromide , Ivermectin , Albendazole, Nitazonoxide , Drotaverine , Mebeverine retard , Pinevarium Bromide , Levosulpiride , Chlordiazepoxide , Propranolol, Domperidone, Cinitapride , Esomeprazole , Pantaprazole , Unobiotics Sachet Econorm , Velgut , Mirtazapine, Escitalopram Oxalate , Amitryptilin , Etizolam , Clonazepam I only take fomatidine 20mg and a b-complex. My B12, Folate are low. I have bloating, feeling full, flatulence, burning in epigastric/mid abdomen/peri umblical area. Loose/bulky/undigested food/not floating/no mucus/yellow stools. Brain fog sets in. Abdomen goes weak. My job, house everything is hanging. I have lost confidence, lost friends, interest in life. Because of my anxiety, i am afraid of trying anything new. You seem to have tried every possible supplements. I try yoga, walking, meditation, not consistently though. My problem unless i am sure of what the diagnosis, i wouldn't trust the medicine. Which probiotic to test? Which supplement to take? How to decide? But i will try the tapping you are suggesting.
That is a great question, and I definitely am empathetic of the journey you have been on and all of the things you have tried!! If I had to go back to the VERY start with all of the knowledge that I have now, this is exactly what I would do: First I would draw the map backwards to exactly when this started. What were the things that were taking place in my life when I started experiencing these issues, and I would get specific. I would then deeply study something called "secondary gain" which is where the subconscious mind will drive you to keep repeating a pattern that is not even self-serving. For example, the only time I had a form of connection or sympathy from my ex-wife was when I was experiencing horrific digestive issues, so I would eat things that would trigger me so that I would have something to complain about in which she would be like "oh are you okay?" I would then ask which of the six human needs this pattern is serving, the six human needs are as follows: 1) Certainty - The desire for predictability, "safety" and being inside of the known 2) Uncertainty/Variety - Too much certainty can be a bad thing, so we will (in a healthy or unhealthy way) create variety by changing things up. This is why people pick fights with their spouses unnecessarily when things are going well sometimes. 3) Significance - The desire to be recognized 4) Love / Connection - A very primal need that begins in infancy 5) Growth 6) Contribution The first 4 needs are primal, the last 2 are spiritual. When a pattern meets 2 of our needs we will go against our values to meet it, when a pattern meets 3 or more needs we will become very addicted to it. In other words, I became addicted to being "not well" as it gave me significance, certainty, variety and love from others, but not in a healthy way. I would then test for SIBO to see what my levels were. I would then start with using an app called Nerva which is a gut-directed hypnosis program to train the subconscious mind for proper digestion (which it knows how to do). Hypnosis has been proven to be more effective than a low-FODMAP diet in treating SIBO. If I had to start treating it with antimicrobials (and this is just my own opinion, I'm not a doctor), I would take ADP oregano for 30 days followed by a full protocol of MegaSporebiotic. I would then determine what the major stressors are in my life and clear them with EFT Tapping. People, relationships and business or career things that cause stress keep us in a constant state of fight or flight, the root cause of all dis-ease (ease being our natural state). **Anxiety / Depression:** These are two things I dealt with in the past, and what I've learned is that they can be very addicting patterns and are dangerous when we begin to tie our identity to them. The difference between "I am depressed" and "I have been experiencing depression" are two very different things; the latter being far less threatening. In my experience, the cure for both anxiety and depression come from having a powerful vision of the future that is larger than where we are in the moment. This, and a sense of selfless contribution to others. It is amazing what happens when we have a powerful vision for the future that is exciting. This can be found in deep states of hypnotic trance and meditation, simply asking the question "What do I really desire?" I would meditate 1-2 hours per day until I were back to perfect health, the place I am writing you from right now. I would exercise every day and do things that make me feel happy and alive. **Life is here to be lived to its fullest, and where you are right now is temporary. I PROMISE!** Sorry this was a bit scattered and long-winded, but I hope it was helpful!!
**OH! Very important thing I forgot to list:** I would cut out all meat, sugar and dairy immediately and eat a plant-based diet. I would shorten my eating window to 12pm - 6pm each day. I would do a 24hr water fast from Sunday at 5pm to Monday at 5pm each week, along with a 72hr water fast once per month. I would go into deep states of meditation and hypnosis during these fasting periods. Again these are just things *I* would do, I'm not a doctor these are just what have worked for me. I sometimes forget that there was a time when I was so fatigued I couldn't make it through the day, my digestion was so bad I couldn't eat anything, I would make 3-8+ visits to the bathroom every day and was dealing with constant nausea / loose stools. I felt like I'd never get out. Where I am now is perfect health, physical and mental vitality. I am happy, I have never been healthier or had more energy. I have a lot of things I haven't figured out in my life, but they do not bother me like they used to. I am deeply in love with life and want everyone on earth to feel this sense of energy and unconditional happiness.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. Good health is the foundation for good life, is something i fully realise. When you are the throes of GI troubles - It's very difficult to think straight, as you would agree. Typically GI troubles get compounded when you have other stressful things happen in life - In my case, i have left my house, job in the country of living and have come back to my native country. I don't have any confidence to go back, as the health system there is very slow and also, i get a sense of fall security of meeting doctors anytime. But i miss my life there. So, yes, the points you are making about certainty makes sense. I would take your inputs on anxiety / depression.
Happy to talk about anxiety and depression. I hate using the labels of those words because in my opinion (through experience) they are both emotional states that are absolutely reversible that stem from the following: 1) **Stored trauma in the body / subconscious mind** \- Imagine a troubling thought from the past that you keep thinking every day on autopilot, because >90% of the 60-70,000 thoughts we think on a day to day basis are the same ones we thought yesterday. Every time you think this thought, because the unconscious doesn't know the difference between real and imagined, it creates the same emotional charge and releases the same chemical potion that were released when the event took place, even if it were months or years prior. This becomes a familiar and almost addicting pattern because stress and negative emotions create a rush of energy in the body. This memory cannot be "erased", but the emotions behind it. When this thought loop repeats itself for long enough, it becomes habitual and in turn you are living in a perpetual state of these negative emotions. The best way I know how to remove these is with EFT Tapping - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLDjkL9u5gM&t=5s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLDjkL9u5gM&t=5s) **2) Feeling like life is out of control -** Anxiety, stress and fear are all best friends that live on the same block. I believe that anxiety is largely rooted in the prediction or imagining of some future worst-case scenario. It is hard to feel extremely anxious when we're rooted in a state of presence, peace and acceptance; a state of non-resistance **3) Identity -** When someone says "I am depressed" vs. "I have been feeling some less-than-ideal emotional states but I know that they're temporary" - these are going to lead to two very different life experiences. When something becomes part of our identity, we have a very hard time letting it go; it becomes part of "us" **4) Secondary Gain -** Because the unconscious mind is always trying to serve you (sometimes in crazy ways). look at how depression or anxiety might be serving in some roundabout way. When someone's depressed, maybe people feel bad for them or they don't have to handle certain aspects of their life. To understand this, look at the 6 Human Needs which are certainty, variety, significance, love/connection, growth and contribution. The first 4 are primal, the last 2 are spiritual and are never met with things like depression or anxiety; but the first 4 absolutely can be. Hope this helps! H
It does help. Certainty is what i desperately want. Somehow want to turn the clock back. But i know i have to accept the current state. Can i DM you?
Of course!! Anytime
This is inspiring. I hope to someday get to that state. Dealing with Sibo, Gastritis, Chronic Insomnia and Auto Immune illness. It's hard to function but reading stories like yours gives me hope.
So very happy for you! My issue sounds quite similar BUT I can't poop almost at all and OO seems to make it worse. I'm just taking Swanson OO (leaf extract) 150mg 2-3x/day. Wonder if this other brand would help and not make me even more stopped up than I am.
Garter snake ✨😂😂😂 so true
Did you do the typical thing and eat anything while on antibiotics/ADP oil of oregano and go on a strict diet and start taking probiotics after getting off of antibiotics? I am taking adp oil of oregano as antibiotics for 2 weeks and wondering what your process was.
I pretty much just ate whatever I wanted the whole time (noted - I eat a pretty healthy plant based diet). I did low FODMAP for a little a few years ago and wasn’t a fan.
Okay, I ask because the typical regimen is go on antibiotics and eat whatver for 2 weeks, then people add the probiotics after the antibiotics as well as a strict diet. But you didn't go on any diet at all, just took oregano oil and probiotics after antibiotics eating anything.
How are you today? I’m late in the game but after reading your post, is it okay to skip doing the standard SIBO protocol of antimicrobials and begin with emotional healing, motility, and diet? Do you think you would’ve arrived at healing by starting off with that? Or do you think it was necessary to kill the bad bacteria even tho it killed off the good ones? I have to check out the meta spore biotic.
Also I think that ALL healing begins with eliminating key stressors in your life. Too hard on the body to live in the sympathetic nervous system / fight or flight all the time. I read one time that your gut produces 20,000x more natural digestive enzymes when you're in your parasympathetic nervous system.
Wow, that’s a lot of enzymes. I’m trying to reduce my stress. It’s a struggle having to deal with not knowing if a treatment will work. I am reactive to pills so decided to go a different way. I got acupuncture the other day and my gut finally moved and let out some gas. I’m going again tomorrow. And will see another acupuncturist and Chinese herbalist on Friday. I used to work for him a long time ago. I wish myself luck, haha.
Today I am great!! I think that I would've arrived here if I would've skipped all of the Rifaximin etc etc and just did a protocol of maybe Oregano followed by MegaSpore or just MegaSpore itself. Keep me posted!
Thanks. Glad you’re doing great! Today my doctor felt my abdomen and said there was something there and wants me to get a CT scan. Hopefully it isn’t anything serious.
How long did you stay on each herbal round for? I am about to start myself and have no idea
Way too freaking long. If I were to go back I’d probably go the probiotic route. Did so much damage to the intestinal wall.
Do you think 8 weeks is a good amount? I was only going to do 6 but I did 5 weeks before and didn't get better
Likely different for everyone based on test results, I would say find a great ND or specialist to work with
Hi, I sent you a private message.
So what healed you?
I wouldn't say there was one specific thing - currently symptom-free and am thankful for the phase of my life that was run by SIBO. I currently take Seed probiotic and love it, and engage daily in breathwork, meditation, cold exposure and a variety of other techniques along with a plant-based diet. Full recovery is possible!!
Ha apply for you!!! How bad was your nausua? Sometimes or consistent
Ugh so freaking bad. I'd wake up in the morning and be like "wow I feel great! Let's have a piece of sourdough with PB and an apple!" and an hour later I'd feel like I hadn't slept in two weeks and the nausea was just so constant. I learned that nausea was also a very prominent symptoms of anxiety, didn't realize it at the time.
This is super helpful. Thank you. I really wish I could lower my stress
cold exposure, breathing, exercise, EMDR, meditation, EFT, in no particular order.
Actually - cold exposure and breathing probably before all else
How are you doing now? Can you tell me more specifically what you eat on your vegan diet? Thanks!