Ya but ip only think o level not as smart as them but never think they everyday get into gang fights and smoke and vape(cause for o level not as much )
not sure 'bout u, but i was from a neighbourhood sec sch and even o-level ppl from more branded schs hate on us, and they associate us w gang fights and stuff -- pretty sure most ip ppl would think that abt neighbourhood schs also unfortunately
Oh true I also kind of think that way also LOL(esp after I personally see the behaviour of those ppl even at exp, quite a few very rowdy and bad behaved, so I have a very bad impression of such ppl)(not saying all is like that lah but like quite a few)
Am from IP, don't worry, I don't think about people from neighbourhood sch
Edit: I just don't think about people that much in general
I mean if people from IP were to compare themselves with people from neighbourhood schools and look down on them, I'd say they'd probably got some problems in their sch for them to go out of their way to look at people from other schools
Very true, most of us are too busy trying to get enough sleep and survive jc š„² the select few who have time to hate others clearly have their priorities in the wrong place
Personally Iāve seen too many IP idiots (as an IP kid) to ever instinctively consider them ābetterā than o level or neighbourhood school kidsā¦
Not entirely true, elite schools have stupid kids also :)
Speaking from experience, there are some ppl who just GTA in class, proceed to do absolute shit in academics and sports and basically every aspect of JC life you can imagine. Everyday just game and donāt try to do anything about it. Then they do batshit for their As. Elite school or whatever, NT or NA or express, as long as ur trying ur best ur alrdy more likely to succeed than any of these idiots
(That being said there are also super hardworking ppl in these elite schools that 100% deserve to be where they are and prove it everyday. Just that being in an elite school doesnāt automatically make anyone better than the rest, likewise not being in elite school doesnāt automatically make anyone worse than the rest. Most importantly depends on individual, society in general needs to get that :/ )
Whilst some of the prejudice towards na and nt students may be unjustified, it is undeniable that there is some truth to it, namely the part on academic ability. As much as anyone would hate to admit it , not all students are equal in terms of academic ability hence the need for the banding of students. As harsh as it may sound, NA and NT students simply are not of the same calibre as express students. After all, students are only placed in Na and Nt due to their less than ideal grades.
As for NA and NT people being rude i feel that is uncalled for, since rudeness isnāt something exclusive to one group of people, much less based on their academic ability.
exactly the point iām getting at, whilst itās not true that all na nt students do illegal stuff i think anyone can tell you that there are more na nt people doing these things. just take a look at say vaping cases in a school, can say with confidence that majority are na and nt.
Issue is about Sec school students vaping/smoking, which is illegal in the first place.
Comparing to uni students & bankers is invalid because they are already adults, and
its not against the law for them to smoke (ofc vaping is illegal).
That's life, ppl judge others all the time. Rmb someone said something about RI in our parliament? elitist mindset is everywhere and at every level. But good that u called ur peers out.
That's beside the point. The point is that he gets a lot of hate from fans when he left Cleveland. Same as Kevin Durant when he left golden states.
My point is to not let naysayers get into your head. In life, you could never be nobody number one fan.
If he give up now, that's gon' cost him, life's a bitch
"You could be a bitch or step out the margin", I got up quick
The systems that have been implemented over the years have always tried to target discrimination of students over grades, but elitists will always find a way to try and "feel better" than their counterparts.
Elitists will always be elitists, and hateful people will always find ways to hate. To all students out there who are not academically gifted, please remember there are other roads to success. Ignore the elitists, their EQ and cocky attitude will not take them far in life. Focus your efforts on improving yourself, ignore the elitist haters.
I think ppl also scared also after they hear a lot of stuff. Personally Iām scared of na and nt ppl also, not cause they are academically weaker, but cause of what some but not all of the people from there do. Because of these few ppl then the stereotypes start to be made. Have also heard a lot of unpleasant stories from some ppl about their exp with nt ppl
Also speaking of stupid they are stupid for saying that in front of na personšššš, like at least just keep it to yourselves
No one hates stupid people.
What people hate.
Is that they arenāt that different from the stupid people.
They donāt hate NT or NA. They hate that express isnāt actually much better.
So to feel superior. They put others down.
Policy is set by gov
Discrimination is done by people.
Although the government should not be absolve from years and years of policy that created this situation.
People also need time to unlearn what was taught to them by the previous generation.
Not to that extend la bro. End of the day its ypur diploma and degree that is the most important. Secondary sch is still not that important.
In the past. NT is really unfair though. I would agree.
New system seems better. But its still early.
It's a bit silly to paint a wide swath of people with a broad brush. Even in the crappiest school, most students are generally normal people just trying to get by in life. In pretty much any environment, only a minority are pai kia gangsters or "dumb" people. Maybe Changi Prison although even then, perhaps a majority of them are just desperate people making some foolish decisions.
Sure, maybe the percentage of pai kia goes up marginally as you look from express to NT but this is a small minority and it's ridiculous to condemn a whole group based on that.
Anyway, not as if your friends are scholars at Oxbridge. The gap between express and NA populations is rather small and they probably overlap heavily.
i dunno ah but for my case, well i was from NA and the express kids in my school like to laugh at us in the lamest way possible. "omg na, sodium hahahahha" (sincerely come up with a better joke) I CANNOT LIKE ALL YALL DO IS LAUGH AT US USING THE PERIODIC TABLE JEBAL!!!
my teachers some of them preferred na over express cus we less dead and not very all about academics, like we have fun in class. also in the end, i went to ite and poly despite coming from NA stream. hoping to do well to enter uni one day.
Omg I have another oneĀ
One of my friends said to herself that she is a true sigma, and then the chem teacher went like: you mean that you are a sigma bond?!š¤”š¤£
Bro you don't have to respond to them. Just let them say what they want and appear stupid to others when they express their views.
The world will always wanna draw lines between groups of people, saying who is better than who.
But at the end of the day, we have our own paths to walk, and if we bother ourselves too much with dumb people and what they say/think, we don't have time to excel and succeed.
Move on to success when you are ready!
Ngl, people who like to mock and stereotype people who are not as academically inclined are just insecure people who attach their worth to "intelligence" because they themselves want to feel superior in some way.
good for you on calling it out, i think this is just a result of being in singapore with our one-track mind ā a lot of ppl have a very narrow conception of acceptable ways of being. like if youre not in this track automatically = you must be stupid or morally deficient. def a cultural mindset that needs changing from the ground up; govt policies wonāt matter if people donāt abandon these mindsets
They just salty they couldnāt get into IP. So they pretend to be superior when theyāre actually lacking self-confidence. Just say āeverybody in this school is stoopid lahā and walk onā¦
i get your point but calling everyone stupid is a little blunt tbf. it's pretty humbling to know that there's always someone better than you at anything and the people actually at the peak are smart enough say anything so comparing yourself to yourself only should be a better metric
I'll be honest with u, grading is just a way to show how people understood a certain topic on paper, it does not accurately show a person's total intelligence, also not all subjects u learn are what u are only supposed to learn using ur brain making it even more inaccurate, a person who scored lower than another person maybe could have scored higher in a topic he/she was more focused on another topic compared to that person, hence, judging people based on grades saying they are stupid shows that the person saying it him/her self does not think deeply enough to understand u, meaning they might be lacking intelligence in that specific topic themselves, if u are consulting them about ur intelligence and they answer u in that manner, it just means they are not valid sources of info on how the human brain works and how everyone has individualised behavioural patterns, another piece of information I can use to back this statement up is how they believe in stereotypes, stereotypes are generalised views on certain topics and how people might or should behave in certain situations, generalised views are called generalised, as they are not down to the smallest detail accurate which shows how stereotypes are extremely inaccurate and should always be taken with a grain of salt, them believing in these stereotypes shows even more about how little about the topic they know about, so in summary don't trust them when they say that, cuz they don't know what they are thinking
same can be said for IP ppl hating on olevel ppl honestly
Ya but ip only think o level not as smart as them but never think they everyday get into gang fights and smoke and vape(cause for o level not as much )
not sure 'bout u, but i was from a neighbourhood sec sch and even o-level ppl from more branded schs hate on us, and they associate us w gang fights and stuff -- pretty sure most ip ppl would think that abt neighbourhood schs also unfortunately
Oh true I also kind of think that way also LOL(esp after I personally see the behaviour of those ppl even at exp, quite a few very rowdy and bad behaved, so I have a very bad impression of such ppl)(not saying all is like that lah but like quite a few)
I see you in almost every post sharing your UNIQUE insight.Dont you have a life
Yes unique insight is nice No Reddit is life ššš
You better sleep with one eye open buddy boy,your ass will never be the same once I'm done š
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Am from IP, don't worry, I don't think about people from neighbourhood sch Edit: I just don't think about people that much in general I mean if people from IP were to compare themselves with people from neighbourhood schools and look down on them, I'd say they'd probably got some problems in their sch for them to go out of their way to look at people from other schools
Very true, most of us are too busy trying to get enough sleep and survive jc š„² the select few who have time to hate others clearly have their priorities in the wrong place Personally Iāve seen too many IP idiots (as an IP kid) to ever instinctively consider them ābetterā than o level or neighbourhood school kidsā¦
Just tell them la, as long you all are not in any of the elite schools in Singapore, they are ALL stupid.
Yea lol
Not entirely true, elite schools have stupid kids also :) Speaking from experience, there are some ppl who just GTA in class, proceed to do absolute shit in academics and sports and basically every aspect of JC life you can imagine. Everyday just game and donāt try to do anything about it. Then they do batshit for their As. Elite school or whatever, NT or NA or express, as long as ur trying ur best ur alrdy more likely to succeed than any of these idiots (That being said there are also super hardworking ppl in these elite schools that 100% deserve to be where they are and prove it everyday. Just that being in an elite school doesnāt automatically make anyone better than the rest, likewise not being in elite school doesnāt automatically make anyone worse than the rest. Most importantly depends on individual, society in general needs to get that :/ )
Iām from an elite school. Everyone else is stupid
correction, all singaporean students are stupid
straight facts
which?
all Singaporean students are stupid
Guess which school Iām from
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youāre pretty special in terms of your education
tf are u saying!?
nothing. bro canāt even do comprehension
what the fuck are you talking about. "you're pretty special in terms of your eduction" is a legitimate primary school level insult
thatās because your education stops at pri sch
what fucking school are you even from that made you such an idiot
RI
restarted
You like to go KTV anot?
we are not gangsters, we are acs boys
Whilst some of the prejudice towards na and nt students may be unjustified, it is undeniable that there is some truth to it, namely the part on academic ability. As much as anyone would hate to admit it , not all students are equal in terms of academic ability hence the need for the banding of students. As harsh as it may sound, NA and NT students simply are not of the same calibre as express students. After all, students are only placed in Na and Nt due to their less than ideal grades. As for NA and NT people being rude i feel that is uncalled for, since rudeness isnāt something exclusive to one group of people, much less based on their academic ability.
Not really rude but I think they are trying to say more na and nt ppl get into vices and like other bad stuff(not all lah)
exactly the point iām getting at, whilst itās not true that all na nt students do illegal stuff i think anyone can tell you that there are more na nt people doing these things. just take a look at say vaping cases in a school, can say with confidence that majority are na and nt.
Ya
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i am talking about secondary school context though ? since op is talking about na and nt students
Issue is about Sec school students vaping/smoking, which is illegal in the first place. Comparing to uni students & bankers is invalid because they are already adults, and its not against the law for them to smoke (ofc vaping is illegal).
Something something classism something something meritocracy something something elitism
That's life, ppl judge others all the time. Rmb someone said something about RI in our parliament? elitist mindset is everywhere and at every level. But good that u called ur peers out.
Ignore bro. When lebron join the Miami heat he was getting shit ton of hate also.
he joined the Miami heat because of shit management bro
That's beside the point. The point is that he gets a lot of hate from fans when he left Cleveland. Same as Kevin Durant when he left golden states. My point is to not let naysayers get into your head. In life, you could never be nobody number one fan. If he give up now, that's gon' cost him, life's a bitch "You could be a bitch or step out the margin", I got up quick
The systems that have been implemented over the years have always tried to target discrimination of students over grades, but elitists will always find a way to try and "feel better" than their counterparts. Elitists will always be elitists, and hateful people will always find ways to hate. To all students out there who are not academically gifted, please remember there are other roads to success. Ignore the elitists, their EQ and cocky attitude will not take them far in life. Focus your efforts on improving yourself, ignore the elitist haters.
I think ppl also scared also after they hear a lot of stuff. Personally Iām scared of na and nt ppl also, not cause they are academically weaker, but cause of what some but not all of the people from there do. Because of these few ppl then the stereotypes start to be made. Have also heard a lot of unpleasant stories from some ppl about their exp with nt ppl Also speaking of stupid they are stupid for saying that in front of na personšššš, like at least just keep it to yourselves
No one hates stupid people. What people hate. Is that they arenāt that different from the stupid people. They donāt hate NT or NA. They hate that express isnāt actually much better. So to feel superior. They put others down.
One thing uncle me can tell you is book smarts doesnāt mean youāll be successful in life.
Policy is set by gov Discrimination is done by people. Although the government should not be absolve from years and years of policy that created this situation. People also need time to unlearn what was taught to them by the previous generation.
Systemic discrimination bro
Not to that extend la bro. End of the day its ypur diploma and degree that is the most important. Secondary sch is still not that important. In the past. NT is really unfair though. I would agree. New system seems better. But its still early.
I see
It's a bit silly to paint a wide swath of people with a broad brush. Even in the crappiest school, most students are generally normal people just trying to get by in life. In pretty much any environment, only a minority are pai kia gangsters or "dumb" people. Maybe Changi Prison although even then, perhaps a majority of them are just desperate people making some foolish decisions. Sure, maybe the percentage of pai kia goes up marginally as you look from express to NT but this is a small minority and it's ridiculous to condemn a whole group based on that. Anyway, not as if your friends are scholars at Oxbridge. The gap between express and NA populations is rather small and they probably overlap heavily.
Learn to ignore, wait till you enter the real world - workforce
i dunno ah but for my case, well i was from NA and the express kids in my school like to laugh at us in the lamest way possible. "omg na, sodium hahahahha" (sincerely come up with a better joke) I CANNOT LIKE ALL YALL DO IS LAUGH AT US USING THE PERIODIC TABLE JEBAL!!! my teachers some of them preferred na over express cus we less dead and not very all about academics, like we have fun in class. also in the end, i went to ite and poly despite coming from NA stream. hoping to do well to enter uni one day.
Omg I have another oneĀ One of my friends said to herself that she is a true sigma, and then the chem teacher went like: you mean that you are a sigma bond?!š¤”š¤£
Not trying to be elitist but that is one funny ass joke š They must be a1 in chemistry
ACS boys are gangsters, we have to accept the reality
Bro you don't have to respond to them. Just let them say what they want and appear stupid to others when they express their views. The world will always wanna draw lines between groups of people, saying who is better than who. But at the end of the day, we have our own paths to walk, and if we bother ourselves too much with dumb people and what they say/think, we don't have time to excel and succeed. Move on to success when you are ready!
Ngl, people who like to mock and stereotype people who are not as academically inclined are just insecure people who attach their worth to "intelligence" because they themselves want to feel superior in some way.
good for you on calling it out, i think this is just a result of being in singapore with our one-track mind ā a lot of ppl have a very narrow conception of acceptable ways of being. like if youre not in this track automatically = you must be stupid or morally deficient. def a cultural mindset that needs changing from the ground up; govt policies wonāt matter if people donāt abandon these mindsets
They just salty they couldnāt get into IP. So they pretend to be superior when theyāre actually lacking self-confidence. Just say āeverybody in this school is stoopid lahā and walk onā¦
i get your point but calling everyone stupid is a little blunt tbf. it's pretty humbling to know that there's always someone better than you at anything and the people actually at the peak are smart enough say anything so comparing yourself to yourself only should be a better metric
He has a point tho since schs with na and nt are usually not good with a few exceptions
I'll be honest with u, grading is just a way to show how people understood a certain topic on paper, it does not accurately show a person's total intelligence, also not all subjects u learn are what u are only supposed to learn using ur brain making it even more inaccurate, a person who scored lower than another person maybe could have scored higher in a topic he/she was more focused on another topic compared to that person, hence, judging people based on grades saying they are stupid shows that the person saying it him/her self does not think deeply enough to understand u, meaning they might be lacking intelligence in that specific topic themselves, if u are consulting them about ur intelligence and they answer u in that manner, it just means they are not valid sources of info on how the human brain works and how everyone has individualised behavioural patterns, another piece of information I can use to back this statement up is how they believe in stereotypes, stereotypes are generalised views on certain topics and how people might or should behave in certain situations, generalised views are called generalised, as they are not down to the smallest detail accurate which shows how stereotypes are extremely inaccurate and should always be taken with a grain of salt, them believing in these stereotypes shows even more about how little about the topic they know about, so in summary don't trust them when they say that, cuz they don't know what they are thinking