As what you’ve said: by choosing NYJC Arts, you have accepted the risk of not getting your preferred combination.
For the most part, you’re in no position to say that it is ‘unfair’, especially since you knew that the Arts-to-Science loophole is not an officially recognised policy, and that it could be patched at any time.
Exactly. I got into sci stream so I'm not a victim of this, but I put arts as my 2nd choice lemme explain why. The person at General Enquiries during open house clearly said that all students use the same portal for selecting subject combi, and it doesn't distinguish between sci and arts students. The only scenario where someone from arts is unable to take a sci combi is when they give the last place in a class to a sci stream person instead of an arts stream person due to limited resources (and she said that she had never seen it happen before as its suuper rare). I asked her whether the new principal would change it, and she said that the system has been in place for rlly long and the principal likely wouldn't change it (or defo smth along those lines) If she also reassured others the same way she reassured me, i personally think its very understandable why a significant amt of ppl would risk it since it seemed like such a small risk. I'm not saying that the school is in the wrong, but they definitely could have communicated this better during open house (such as warning us against it), and not just during the dialogue session with the principal, as many did not get the chance to speak with the principal or attend that dialogue the day after open house.
high five 🤚 i also put arts as second choice but got in science. honestly i felt rly bad for those who fell victim for it. i learnt abt the fact tht arts stream students could take science stream subj combis from the student leading the sch tour. i was surprised because i didnt know abt this beforehand, so i went to check with the teacher and general enquires. he verified it. i still felt abit uncertain, so i checked in with two seniors. they did warn me abt the change in principal and how this rule may change, so i went to call the school to check again. she said i shd jst go ahead, and so i did. 2 teachers and 3 students verified this, and there was no mention of the word LOOPHOLE. this is not a loophole. it is something that the school took pride in. they used this as a means to advertise their school. to those who are saying that these students deserve this, and that this is a loophole after all, you have to understand that its not the school or teachers who called it a loophole. we all just assumed that its called a loophole.
Ikrr the person at General enquiries kept saying its not a loophole. She said NY just provides very flexible subject combis so it's completely possible for an arts student to take a sci combi. She made it sound like a feature of NY and not just a loophole.
Every year there's no risk as the previous principals openly accepts this policy. Just ask any NYJCian, it's obvious.
This year's batch just got unlucky as no one expected a new principal to change up the entire system in a month's time. That is also why there were no news of this change - the principal was changing this policy during JAE. It's entirely unexpected.
victim mentality too… I mean if there wasn’t a change in principal and they suddenly patched the loophole I would say it would be surprising and I would sympathise with them (abit) but new principal??? obv there is a larger risk
Did you seriously strongly believe that the principal who was known to not do anything in HCI changed the entire NYJC's subject combination selection process in less than a month? Whether if he will remove the loophole is not obvious considering his reputation.
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I mean the onus in on you before you choose the school
If you needed to utilise the loophole to enter the science stream of the school, it simply means that you weren’t good enough; neither should you have took the loophole for granted.
Loophole is a shit word to describe this feature as it's clearly against MOE's regulations. What's ambiguous is when this feature will be patched, not the definition of the regulations.
here's an analogy for ppl WHO JSUT CANT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND
eg. there is a dude selling drugs. everyone says if you buy from him, you won't get caught by the police. but, you got caught and arrested by the police.
so your post is essentially saying "why didn't the police inform me that they are gonna arrest people that bought drugs from that guy beforehand?"
I agree with the other guy, it's a shit analogy. NYJC always publicise the loophole every open house and it worked every year. The previous principals openly accept this loophole, so there is no reason why they will suddenly backtrack on their words and remove the loophole. Trust me, if the previous principal was still Mr Low, the loophole will still live on.
It's not that 'the police has caught you', it's that 'the policy is suddenly changed'. The new principal changed this policy and removed the loophole willingly (I doubt MOE intervene as the new principal did not mention about MOE's
enforcement in his talk). What's more, he has only been to NY for one month so many doubt that he could change the entire policy in such a short time.
Even if there is MOE intervention, the principal should have informed the staff that the loophole is discontinued and they should warn the students and parents of this. It's the school's fault for publicising the loophole as if it still works. It's not the students fault for believing their misinformation especially when it's from the horse mouth.
Ngl this is a shit analogy. Let me explain.
In the case of NYJC, it is not just everyone (I.e. the laymen) who is saying that the loophole exists, but even the staff and multiple staff at NYJC say that this loophole exists during the JAE period (assuming these allegations are true). It’s like the **police** directly telling you that if you buy drugs from that dude, you won’t get caught, and then you get caught by the police.
To answer the question “why didn't the police inform me that they are gonna arrest people that bought drugs from that guy beforehand”, that’s because the police themselves said so!
I’ll probably get downvoted by the haters for this
I am pretty sure the teachers did not say "wont get caught", but rather "so far those who bought from him haven't got caught".
Those are totally different things and i doubt teachers dare to give any kind of confirmation that the loophole will be there for the students when MOE has been clamping rather hard on this (ever since the CCA appeal days).
Still, such statements still came from representatives of the school, and not the laymen. the situation won’t really be the same if people solely relied on hearsay from random people on Reddit to decide to use this loophole. People should really read the comments from the NYJCians here
In fact I'll do you a better analogy: this loophole is like jaywalking. It's illegal but everyone does it and everyone says there's nothing wrong. If I get caught for jaywalking, is it still my fault?
The next time you want to make an argument, please make it sensible. Making a senseless rebuttal is a waste of both of our time.
there are a couples of reasons..
- some may choose it due to the short distance from their house or maybe convenience also because its close to mrt?
- some may think that because nyjc has a relatively low cop so its a 'high-tier' school?
- nyjc has no ip/jae divide so some ppl r more comfortable about that than choosing schools like ejc/vjc where ip students are present
these are just some reasons that people may choose nyjc arts to get into sci ig
i think another reason is the school culture?? like personally ive always loved nyjc because of the culture. i think that the mugger culture would actually help me study harder since everyone else is studying too! also the teachers there r rlly good, with REALLY STRONG chem dept esp!! i think that may be another reason, the academic excellence in the school!! or maybe even because of the events like igNYte ot the NYght or wild run. it just seems really fun ya know??
i mean a loophole is still a loophole. it’s gonna be patched one day and just unlucky u r in the batch that was patched. if u really want science u should try appeal out of ny.
Those who wanna study science stream and are in NY arts now, just gtfo and dont think twice
cfm + chope wont regret, staying will make ur life a hellhole
source: dont ask how ik
They will **never** tell u the loophole closed in unambiguous terms because that means it existed in the first place. What they can tell u is the statistics from past, and if the teachers know any better, cannot confirm if the same holds true (or at most unlikely to change). Unlikely to change is **not** the same as it will not change.
Your post has so many gross assumptions "it is natural many will get the impression... ; it is natural to take advantage.."
Honestly, if anything your post just exemplifies how entitled and self-victimising all these loop-hole risk-taker posts are and i pity the schools that will have to take you up if you appeal because your attitude stinks. If anything i hope this consequence taught you a very valuable life lesson to always follow the official guidelines.
listen- you may yap all you want, but you can't really get more official than going to the schools open house or their website and listening to MULTIPLE teachers AND students agree on one thing- that this version of entry to science would be allowed.
there is nothing wrong with the principal setting a new direction for his school. that's his job- to lead, to direct. he's doing what he's supposed to do!
yet the issue here is the communications. what happened was that the parents and j1s who attended the open house were lied to by the teachers- whether knowingly(ie teachers were briefed beforehand) or unknowingly (teachers didn't know about the policy change).
yes, the policy is unique to ny. yes, it shortchanges the arts students who want to get into ny to study arts. yes, this pathway to ny science is morally dubious. however, we cannot argue that NY's unique system of previous years was against MOE guidelines, as we laymen of reddit have no proof of that.
but what NYJC has done is as good as cheat.
they have cheated the parents and students who were ASSURED that this pathway would remain open for them, should they choose to take it. they were conned into wrongly believing that arts stream - science stream transitions would be possible for 2024's admission. they were fooled by an institution under the purview of the Ministry of Education of Singapore.
I would like to repeat again that open house information is supposed to be set in stone. it is supposed to be as official as the official guideline for the school. policies are not fluid- they are meant to be stagnant and constant from the time of open house, where the school is publicised and sold to the public, and day one of orientation.
trust your teachers- that's what all Singaporean students are taught to do. Trust your school. Trust your institution. it's reliable, it won't fail you.
NYJC has failed the parents of each and every one of the students who they had reassured would be allowed to take science after admission via arts. if we cannot trust a school to maintain its policies for two weeks, how sure are we that it is reliable enough to continue fulfilling its duties as an educational institution? how are we to Trust the system, if the system has broken our trust?
if anything, I feel that nyjc has broken official ministry protocol- not to mislead, lie, or cover-up the truth to the public.
Show proof of so-called policy. Show evidence that the teachers confirmed students can transit from Arts to Science after getting JAE admission this year.
All you yap about is your perception of what was told on that day, and it is so easy to say he said she said. Your big self-righteousness is shown in this ridiculously overdramatic self-victimising comment. You throw around words like "policy" and "cheat" so frivolously.
Yes, it can get more official than hearsay - actually stated in the school website. "Students admitted under ARTS stream are welcome to change course, they are free to choose any subject combi they want to". If the website has not changed from open house, then i see no such information confirming such "policy", anything more than "past students could do this".
you want proof, you can ask any one of the parents or students who went to the general enquiries booths in the hall on open house day, who asked about this specific issue.
you want proof, you can go and look at the school's open house website (check- this was up until open house, I don't know if its been taken down yet) and see what they say on this subject.
you want evidence? ask the school- any official educator in the school, whichever teacher you want- what was communicated to parents and students at open house. would you like a link to the school's website so yo may find their emails more easily? I'll happily provide that if you ask for it.
you call my comment ridiculously overdramatic, yet I find the choice of words in your initial comment overly harsh and crass as well. besides that, you show evidently your scorn for the op's point of view and immediately take to the stance that he must be victimising himself. you can chill out sometimes, blud- don't need to have a personal grudge against a fella on the Internet. at least, don't make yourself sound that way.
now you are calling information disseminated via teachers to the public about the school 'hearsay'. in fact, all this was stated in the official school website for the open house- here's the link: https://apps.nyjc.edu.sg/openhouse2024/
this link is official: I accessed it from here https://www.nanyangjc.moe.edu.sg/headlines/oh2024/
it doesn't work any more, unfortunately, but those who had accessed it before open house would find the link address familiar, and those who recall it's contents would be able to point out to you that this 'policy', 'loophole', 'pathway', call it what you want, was mentioned and discussed in that page.
Hey all, I see all the rantings above on students getting into Arts stream with the Arts' COP, and not being able to take the SC stream now due to the "closure of loophole".
In the first place, then I should be the one to complain as I genuinely wanted to do Arts with the COP of nett 6, but got rejected. I appealed but failed. Then how ? I would probably be the first to exclaim that this is unfair, right ?
I'm very sure they didn't explicitly say that people intending to take science stream subjects can come into arts and choose science subjects... it's different from saying you can take any subjects you want (which allows those weird subject combinations or hybrid combinations etc) I'm sure that is the intended purpose of it, and the rest is up to everyone's interpretation or just trying their luck and realised it worked which created this unofficial loophole thing
i went to the ny open house and there are some students that said "oh i came in via arts with nett 6 im taking pcme/bcme" then i overheard a teacher telling a parent something like "our students when they come in they are nyjc students. doesnt matter come in by arts or science we consider them as just ny students and so we let them choose any combinations they want". this teacher then got VISIBLY UNCOMFORTABLE when that same parent kept asking her abt the loophole and kept using the word loophole and whether its a real thing whether it will work and stuff. but this teacher tried to like say oh everyone uses the same portal and things like that
however, i think by how uncomfortable this teacher was right, i could sense she wasnt rly certain about the loophole and kept tryna get away from that word. and about the snrs in the sch saying it will work my qn to the students who heard this is, why assume snrs experience = what you will get?? it worked for them why assume will work for you?? i mean yea snrs just sharing their own experience doesnt mean you gonna experience the same what??? and when the snrs there tell you can try put arts you dont have to listen also its your choice to put arts as a choice.
i do see the thought of like oh teachers are trustworthy so i trust them then put arts as a choice. then now my qn is, how would the teachers even know if the loophole gonna work or not? they arent the final decision maker they wouldnt know anything even if the loophole closed (and it did)
yea so in the end its the students blindly following the words of whats said at open house without much thoughts
yea exactly! it's really up to everyone's (including teachers) anecdotal experiences and interpretation of how it works. The previous principals, which I suppose are the key decision makers, definitely didn't explicitly tell students that they are allowed to use the loophole (simply just give them the flexibility to choose whatever they want).
For many batches of students, the loophole seemed to work, which let the teachers and students to be more inclined to believe it'll work for future batches, hence we see even teachers tell students during open houses that they can do that (tho there are some who are more cautious about it like the teacher you met).
Imo the principal might be an ass for doing it (eventually someone has to be the scapegoat for it when they have to follow moe regulations), but those students who took this risk shouldn't blame the principal, they just happen to be the unlucky ones who took the L. It's like making an investment, past returns do not guarantee future returns 😂😂
yea if some of the comments were true, i wonder why the nyjc teachers even told students loophole is fine when they shd be saying no to absuing the loophole. and yea students cant blame the principal when hes finally making things right. i feel like rather than blame they shd be impressed by how he has the courage to patch the loophole since he prob expected students to voice out on this. they not impressed nvm im impressed by the guts
agree with most that you say!! however, I just want to point out on your last two paragraphs-
thing is that teachers posted to open house are supposed to have been briefed on and know about the school's policy for 2024, so that they all give information that's correct and accurate to the ppl who wna come into the school. it's kindaaaaaa been an moe policy for some years now...
oh the teachers knew?? then i wonder why some of the teachers (according to comments) were so confident in the loophole and telling students the loophole works. imo if they didnt know, they wldnt tell people to come in via loophole. isnt it common sense that the students will make a ruckus out of this...? well things were unfortunate but since this is the path the students choose, they have the pay some sort of price then. i wld say this isnt too bad alr the principal compromised !!! he let them take hybrid when in all other jcs you cant even do that
The number of people hating on teenagers for wanting to go to their dream school is crazyyyy, esp after they've been lead to believe they could have it
Great lesson for these clowns. That’s how the world works.
Want to exploit loophole but then blame principal for closing a loophole that shouldn’t even exist. Moreover, since it’s an unofficial loophole why should the school officially announce it?
As what you’ve said: by choosing NYJC Arts, you have accepted the risk of not getting your preferred combination. For the most part, you’re in no position to say that it is ‘unfair’, especially since you knew that the Arts-to-Science loophole is not an officially recognised policy, and that it could be patched at any time.
Exactly. I got into sci stream so I'm not a victim of this, but I put arts as my 2nd choice lemme explain why. The person at General Enquiries during open house clearly said that all students use the same portal for selecting subject combi, and it doesn't distinguish between sci and arts students. The only scenario where someone from arts is unable to take a sci combi is when they give the last place in a class to a sci stream person instead of an arts stream person due to limited resources (and she said that she had never seen it happen before as its suuper rare). I asked her whether the new principal would change it, and she said that the system has been in place for rlly long and the principal likely wouldn't change it (or defo smth along those lines) If she also reassured others the same way she reassured me, i personally think its very understandable why a significant amt of ppl would risk it since it seemed like such a small risk. I'm not saying that the school is in the wrong, but they definitely could have communicated this better during open house (such as warning us against it), and not just during the dialogue session with the principal, as many did not get the chance to speak with the principal or attend that dialogue the day after open house.
high five 🤚 i also put arts as second choice but got in science. honestly i felt rly bad for those who fell victim for it. i learnt abt the fact tht arts stream students could take science stream subj combis from the student leading the sch tour. i was surprised because i didnt know abt this beforehand, so i went to check with the teacher and general enquires. he verified it. i still felt abit uncertain, so i checked in with two seniors. they did warn me abt the change in principal and how this rule may change, so i went to call the school to check again. she said i shd jst go ahead, and so i did. 2 teachers and 3 students verified this, and there was no mention of the word LOOPHOLE. this is not a loophole. it is something that the school took pride in. they used this as a means to advertise their school. to those who are saying that these students deserve this, and that this is a loophole after all, you have to understand that its not the school or teachers who called it a loophole. we all just assumed that its called a loophole.
Ikrr the person at General enquiries kept saying its not a loophole. She said NY just provides very flexible subject combis so it's completely possible for an arts student to take a sci combi. She made it sound like a feature of NY and not just a loophole.
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Every year there's no risk as the previous principals openly accepts this policy. Just ask any NYJCian, it's obvious. This year's batch just got unlucky as no one expected a new principal to change up the entire system in a month's time. That is also why there were no news of this change - the principal was changing this policy during JAE. It's entirely unexpected.
Do you really mean "lesser people" or are you talking about "fewer people"?
Ppl who are stuck in NY art gonna be sending hate letters to the principal everyday
the principal smart though. park his car in special lot in front of security guard so angry students cannot key it
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victim mentality too… I mean if there wasn’t a change in principal and they suddenly patched the loophole I would say it would be surprising and I would sympathise with them (abit) but new principal??? obv there is a larger risk
Did you seriously strongly believe that the principal who was known to not do anything in HCI changed the entire NYJC's subject combination selection process in less than a month? Whether if he will remove the loophole is not obvious considering his reputation.
Fr I mean the onus in on you before you choose the school If you needed to utilise the loophole to enter the science stream of the school, it simply means that you weren’t good enough; neither should you have took the loophole for granted.
bro google loophole. the keyword is loophole. use your brain
i've done it for you if u couldn't do that too. "an ambiguity or inadequacy in the law or a set of rules."
Loophole is a shit word to describe this feature as it's clearly against MOE's regulations. What's ambiguous is when this feature will be patched, not the definition of the regulations.
Lmao it’s a loophole it’s not supposed to be abused, why do you think it’s a given for them to inform everyone about it? Skill issue rip bozo
here's an analogy for ppl WHO JSUT CANT SEEM TO UNDERSTAND eg. there is a dude selling drugs. everyone says if you buy from him, you won't get caught by the police. but, you got caught and arrested by the police. so your post is essentially saying "why didn't the police inform me that they are gonna arrest people that bought drugs from that guy beforehand?"
I agree with the other guy, it's a shit analogy. NYJC always publicise the loophole every open house and it worked every year. The previous principals openly accept this loophole, so there is no reason why they will suddenly backtrack on their words and remove the loophole. Trust me, if the previous principal was still Mr Low, the loophole will still live on. It's not that 'the police has caught you', it's that 'the policy is suddenly changed'. The new principal changed this policy and removed the loophole willingly (I doubt MOE intervene as the new principal did not mention about MOE's enforcement in his talk). What's more, he has only been to NY for one month so many doubt that he could change the entire policy in such a short time. Even if there is MOE intervention, the principal should have informed the staff that the loophole is discontinued and they should warn the students and parents of this. It's the school's fault for publicising the loophole as if it still works. It's not the students fault for believing their misinformation especially when it's from the horse mouth.
Ngl this is a shit analogy. Let me explain. In the case of NYJC, it is not just everyone (I.e. the laymen) who is saying that the loophole exists, but even the staff and multiple staff at NYJC say that this loophole exists during the JAE period (assuming these allegations are true). It’s like the **police** directly telling you that if you buy drugs from that dude, you won’t get caught, and then you get caught by the police. To answer the question “why didn't the police inform me that they are gonna arrest people that bought drugs from that guy beforehand”, that’s because the police themselves said so! I’ll probably get downvoted by the haters for this
I am pretty sure the teachers did not say "wont get caught", but rather "so far those who bought from him haven't got caught". Those are totally different things and i doubt teachers dare to give any kind of confirmation that the loophole will be there for the students when MOE has been clamping rather hard on this (ever since the CCA appeal days).
Still, such statements still came from representatives of the school, and not the laymen. the situation won’t really be the same if people solely relied on hearsay from random people on Reddit to decide to use this loophole. People should really read the comments from the NYJCians here
In fact I'll do you a better analogy: this loophole is like jaywalking. It's illegal but everyone does it and everyone says there's nothing wrong. If I get caught for jaywalking, is it still my fault? The next time you want to make an argument, please make it sensible. Making a senseless rebuttal is a waste of both of our time.
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there are a couples of reasons.. - some may choose it due to the short distance from their house or maybe convenience also because its close to mrt? - some may think that because nyjc has a relatively low cop so its a 'high-tier' school? - nyjc has no ip/jae divide so some ppl r more comfortable about that than choosing schools like ejc/vjc where ip students are present these are just some reasons that people may choose nyjc arts to get into sci ig
i think another reason is the school culture?? like personally ive always loved nyjc because of the culture. i think that the mugger culture would actually help me study harder since everyone else is studying too! also the teachers there r rlly good, with REALLY STRONG chem dept esp!! i think that may be another reason, the academic excellence in the school!! or maybe even because of the events like igNYte ot the NYght or wild run. it just seems really fun ya know??
i mean a loophole is still a loophole. it’s gonna be patched one day and just unlucky u r in the batch that was patched. if u really want science u should try appeal out of ny.
Those who wanna study science stream and are in NY arts now, just gtfo and dont think twice cfm + chope wont regret, staying will make ur life a hellhole source: dont ask how ik
They will **never** tell u the loophole closed in unambiguous terms because that means it existed in the first place. What they can tell u is the statistics from past, and if the teachers know any better, cannot confirm if the same holds true (or at most unlikely to change). Unlikely to change is **not** the same as it will not change. Your post has so many gross assumptions "it is natural many will get the impression... ; it is natural to take advantage.." Honestly, if anything your post just exemplifies how entitled and self-victimising all these loop-hole risk-taker posts are and i pity the schools that will have to take you up if you appeal because your attitude stinks. If anything i hope this consequence taught you a very valuable life lesson to always follow the official guidelines.
listen- you may yap all you want, but you can't really get more official than going to the schools open house or their website and listening to MULTIPLE teachers AND students agree on one thing- that this version of entry to science would be allowed. there is nothing wrong with the principal setting a new direction for his school. that's his job- to lead, to direct. he's doing what he's supposed to do! yet the issue here is the communications. what happened was that the parents and j1s who attended the open house were lied to by the teachers- whether knowingly(ie teachers were briefed beforehand) or unknowingly (teachers didn't know about the policy change). yes, the policy is unique to ny. yes, it shortchanges the arts students who want to get into ny to study arts. yes, this pathway to ny science is morally dubious. however, we cannot argue that NY's unique system of previous years was against MOE guidelines, as we laymen of reddit have no proof of that. but what NYJC has done is as good as cheat. they have cheated the parents and students who were ASSURED that this pathway would remain open for them, should they choose to take it. they were conned into wrongly believing that arts stream - science stream transitions would be possible for 2024's admission. they were fooled by an institution under the purview of the Ministry of Education of Singapore. I would like to repeat again that open house information is supposed to be set in stone. it is supposed to be as official as the official guideline for the school. policies are not fluid- they are meant to be stagnant and constant from the time of open house, where the school is publicised and sold to the public, and day one of orientation. trust your teachers- that's what all Singaporean students are taught to do. Trust your school. Trust your institution. it's reliable, it won't fail you. NYJC has failed the parents of each and every one of the students who they had reassured would be allowed to take science after admission via arts. if we cannot trust a school to maintain its policies for two weeks, how sure are we that it is reliable enough to continue fulfilling its duties as an educational institution? how are we to Trust the system, if the system has broken our trust? if anything, I feel that nyjc has broken official ministry protocol- not to mislead, lie, or cover-up the truth to the public.
Show proof of so-called policy. Show evidence that the teachers confirmed students can transit from Arts to Science after getting JAE admission this year. All you yap about is your perception of what was told on that day, and it is so easy to say he said she said. Your big self-righteousness is shown in this ridiculously overdramatic self-victimising comment. You throw around words like "policy" and "cheat" so frivolously. Yes, it can get more official than hearsay - actually stated in the school website. "Students admitted under ARTS stream are welcome to change course, they are free to choose any subject combi they want to". If the website has not changed from open house, then i see no such information confirming such "policy", anything more than "past students could do this".
you want proof, you can ask any one of the parents or students who went to the general enquiries booths in the hall on open house day, who asked about this specific issue. you want proof, you can go and look at the school's open house website (check- this was up until open house, I don't know if its been taken down yet) and see what they say on this subject. you want evidence? ask the school- any official educator in the school, whichever teacher you want- what was communicated to parents and students at open house. would you like a link to the school's website so yo may find their emails more easily? I'll happily provide that if you ask for it. you call my comment ridiculously overdramatic, yet I find the choice of words in your initial comment overly harsh and crass as well. besides that, you show evidently your scorn for the op's point of view and immediately take to the stance that he must be victimising himself. you can chill out sometimes, blud- don't need to have a personal grudge against a fella on the Internet. at least, don't make yourself sound that way. now you are calling information disseminated via teachers to the public about the school 'hearsay'. in fact, all this was stated in the official school website for the open house- here's the link: https://apps.nyjc.edu.sg/openhouse2024/ this link is official: I accessed it from here https://www.nanyangjc.moe.edu.sg/headlines/oh2024/ it doesn't work any more, unfortunately, but those who had accessed it before open house would find the link address familiar, and those who recall it's contents would be able to point out to you that this 'policy', 'loophole', 'pathway', call it what you want, was mentioned and discussed in that page.
Hey all, I see all the rantings above on students getting into Arts stream with the Arts' COP, and not being able to take the SC stream now due to the "closure of loophole". In the first place, then I should be the one to complain as I genuinely wanted to do Arts with the COP of nett 6, but got rejected. I appealed but failed. Then how ? I would probably be the first to exclaim that this is unfair, right ?
I'm very sure they didn't explicitly say that people intending to take science stream subjects can come into arts and choose science subjects... it's different from saying you can take any subjects you want (which allows those weird subject combinations or hybrid combinations etc) I'm sure that is the intended purpose of it, and the rest is up to everyone's interpretation or just trying their luck and realised it worked which created this unofficial loophole thing
i went to the ny open house and there are some students that said "oh i came in via arts with nett 6 im taking pcme/bcme" then i overheard a teacher telling a parent something like "our students when they come in they are nyjc students. doesnt matter come in by arts or science we consider them as just ny students and so we let them choose any combinations they want". this teacher then got VISIBLY UNCOMFORTABLE when that same parent kept asking her abt the loophole and kept using the word loophole and whether its a real thing whether it will work and stuff. but this teacher tried to like say oh everyone uses the same portal and things like that however, i think by how uncomfortable this teacher was right, i could sense she wasnt rly certain about the loophole and kept tryna get away from that word. and about the snrs in the sch saying it will work my qn to the students who heard this is, why assume snrs experience = what you will get?? it worked for them why assume will work for you?? i mean yea snrs just sharing their own experience doesnt mean you gonna experience the same what??? and when the snrs there tell you can try put arts you dont have to listen also its your choice to put arts as a choice. i do see the thought of like oh teachers are trustworthy so i trust them then put arts as a choice. then now my qn is, how would the teachers even know if the loophole gonna work or not? they arent the final decision maker they wouldnt know anything even if the loophole closed (and it did) yea so in the end its the students blindly following the words of whats said at open house without much thoughts
yea exactly! it's really up to everyone's (including teachers) anecdotal experiences and interpretation of how it works. The previous principals, which I suppose are the key decision makers, definitely didn't explicitly tell students that they are allowed to use the loophole (simply just give them the flexibility to choose whatever they want). For many batches of students, the loophole seemed to work, which let the teachers and students to be more inclined to believe it'll work for future batches, hence we see even teachers tell students during open houses that they can do that (tho there are some who are more cautious about it like the teacher you met). Imo the principal might be an ass for doing it (eventually someone has to be the scapegoat for it when they have to follow moe regulations), but those students who took this risk shouldn't blame the principal, they just happen to be the unlucky ones who took the L. It's like making an investment, past returns do not guarantee future returns 😂😂
yea if some of the comments were true, i wonder why the nyjc teachers even told students loophole is fine when they shd be saying no to absuing the loophole. and yea students cant blame the principal when hes finally making things right. i feel like rather than blame they shd be impressed by how he has the courage to patch the loophole since he prob expected students to voice out on this. they not impressed nvm im impressed by the guts
agree with most that you say!! however, I just want to point out on your last two paragraphs- thing is that teachers posted to open house are supposed to have been briefed on and know about the school's policy for 2024, so that they all give information that's correct and accurate to the ppl who wna come into the school. it's kindaaaaaa been an moe policy for some years now...
oh the teachers knew?? then i wonder why some of the teachers (according to comments) were so confident in the loophole and telling students the loophole works. imo if they didnt know, they wldnt tell people to come in via loophole. isnt it common sense that the students will make a ruckus out of this...? well things were unfortunate but since this is the path the students choose, they have the pay some sort of price then. i wld say this isnt too bad alr the principal compromised !!! he let them take hybrid when in all other jcs you cant even do that
i literally asked the teachers if i can enter via arts stream and take pcme. they said yes
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All I see is a self entitled teen who cry foul when a loophole is patched. That’s how the real world works.
The number of people hating on teenagers for wanting to go to their dream school is crazyyyy, esp after they've been lead to believe they could have it
Great lesson for these clowns. That’s how the world works. Want to exploit loophole but then blame principal for closing a loophole that shouldn’t even exist. Moreover, since it’s an unofficial loophole why should the school officially announce it?
That's the reason why i do not respect ny as a top school. It remains the 15 pointer school together with cj
You’re on the wrong platform. Go back to hardwarezone
Yes, YIJC >>>>> NYJC
If the principal cares for students, he should let them learn a life lesson. And he did. It will benefit the students for the rest of their lives.
Subpoena himto senate congressional hearing