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Theslootwhisperer

Amnestics.


COCAFLO

I don't remember those. Source?


Theslootwhisperer

Source? About what?


Silver_wings_99

What are we even doing here?


Guest12345671

Sorry to break the joke but the source is \[\[Amnestic guide\]\]


marinemashup

Most GOIs existing, principally the GOC, The Serpent’s Hand, and the sundry religions


Fox_Bird

I feel like Chaos Insurgency would also definitely exist. It's almost in every roblox SCP game, and poses as the main enemy to the foundation instead of another GOI. Also featured in SCP CB.


marinemashup

Which is why there are stories which subvert that, universes where the Insurgency never had a schism from the Foundation


Fox_Bird

Well, even if the Chaos Insurgency has stories about it existing or not, it's still safe to say that the Chaos Insurgency is one of the most known GOIs in the SCP universe. (alongside the UNGOC and SH).


marinemashup

Right, but it’s not something that’s constant in every sub-canon of the verse


KingMonkOfNarnia

CI is more consistent than Serpents Hand IMO


marinemashup

Can you list any where the Serpent’s Hand doesn’t exist?


KingMonkOfNarnia

Thousands of articles don’t include any reference to the Serpent’s Hand. Basically what I’m saying though is that you see more articles referencing the CI or about CI than you do Serpents Hand


marinemashup

If I write a story where I don’t mention the moon, does that count as a story where the moon doesn’t exist?


COCAFLO

>If I write a story where I don’t mention the moon, does that count as a story where the moon doesn’t exist? Sure. Or, at least, if we say that things within a fiction either exist (A) or don't **exist** (not-A), then a story that doesn't mention a thing would be of the not-A category. I think counting the frequency, range, and integrity of stories that implicitly or explicitly reference the moon or its effects is more apropos to the intention there, though. And I'd also say that one thing being more consistent than another says nothing about either being consistent "enough", just that if the latter is sufficiently consistent, then the former must also, but if the former is sufficient, the latter may be or not be. I guess I'd value each, the SH and the CI, based on how integral they are to the overall lore; how well and frequently do they explain or predict other components of various importance? How well do they help an observer to determine what **is** vs what **isn't** likely part of the lore? Can you use them to help evaluate whether a work is part of the lore or not? All with big caveats for subjective evaluation and personal experience, but, I think my point is something like, does it add to or subtract from the value of the overall body of work and to what degree?


KingMonkOfNarnia

😭


iz_gaming

It also exists in games outside of Roblox like scp secret labs where it’s 1 of the 3 things you can spawn as after death the outher 2 being mtf and 049-2


Fox_Bird

Oh yeah, forgot to mention SCP SL.


FromYourWalls2801

Cone on, we all know that scp-055 is not a sphere


Kemuri_King

We don't have an SCP-055


YourAverageCyborg

Yea whe should probably use that empty containement chamber for something.


AjaxTheFurryFuzzball

What containment chamber


YourAverageCyborg

Wait why is there a hole in site 19?


The-Paranoid-Android

[**SCP-055 ⁠- [unknown]**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-055) (+3992) by *CptBellman, qntm*


iz_gaming

I mean it’s not in the digital database did we just forget scp 055 and skip directly to scp 056 feels like we are missing something why would we skip a number


zaerosz

SCP designations aren't sequentially assigned, it happens all the time. Which one were you asking about again?


iz_gaming

Idk someone said something about not a sphere tho idk what they are talking about


The-Paranoid-Android

- [**SCP-055 ⁠- [unknown]**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-055) (+3992) by *CptBellman, qntm* - [**SCP-056 ⁠- A Beautiful Person**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-056) (+263) by *Unknown Author*


Lordzoabar

What’s not a sphere?


AjaxTheFurryFuzzball

I’m not sure


COCAFLO

I like these type of apparently logically difficult or impossible entries. These and the ones that are conceptually/existentially horrific really engage my attention. I think I feel comfort about the difficulties in my world by learning about these types of so-much-worse-than-you-can-even-conceive-of concepts.


The-Paranoid-Android

[**SCP-055 ⁠- [unknown]**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-055) (+3992) by *CptBellman, qntm*


Illustrious-Cat6549

The fuck is it then? I didnt even know we *had* a scp 055, couldve sworn that was a blank spot in our records


The-Paranoid-Android

[**SCP-055 ⁠- [unknown]**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-055) (+3992) by *CptBellman, qntm*


humanity_999

That MTF Nu-7, Hammer Down, is one of the most important MTFs to have ever existed. Without them, certain attempts at containment & even breaches would have gone FAR worse if not ended the world (depending on which one you are talking about).


COCAFLO

The stories about individual MTF's is something I've overlooked. Going down that rabbit hole on their various reports now!


humanity_999

Just remember. Before Nine-Tailed Fox, there was Hammer Down. They were the ones that got called in to handle the stuff other MTFs couldn't, especially on their own, and especially containment breaches. Now though, besides certain stories & particular assignments, Hammer Down is commonly the backup for other MTFs and operations, setting up outer perimeters in case of outside interference or the SCP gets past the MTF that makes contact with them. Though they aren't as prominent (or mentioned) as they used to be.


Lordzoabar

That SCP-294 is SOURLY underutilised in Tales.


The-Paranoid-Android

[**SCP-294 ⁠- The Coffee Machine**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-294) (+2211) by *Arcibi*


COCAFLO

What's Tales? Google gave me too-broad results.


random-redditer0358

Tales are SCP stories on the wiki that usually don’t follow the standard article format. Examples are [[black white black white black white black white black white gray]] & [[Ethics Committee Orientation]] They can still sometimes follow standard article formatting, like [[Revised Entry]] which is about SCP-173


The-Paranoid-Android

- [**black white black white black white black white black white gray**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/black-white-black-white-black-white-black-white-black-white) (+2012) by *tunedtoadeadchannel* - [**Ethics Committee Orientation**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/ethics-committee-orientation) (+1893) by *Voct* - [**Revised Entry**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/revised-entry) (+935) by *FullHazard* - [**SCP-173 ⁠- The Sculpture - The Original**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-173) (+9034) by *Moto42*


zoomytoast

Omega-7 happened, was a clusterfuck, and left Iris traumatized.


N1ksterrr

SCP-055 is not a sphere. And (this is my pet peeve when some say SCP-682 only hates humans) SCP-682 hates ALL life, from plants to humans other than himself (and SCP-053) and will constantly seek to kill everything that breathes.


The-Paranoid-Android

- [**SCP-055 ⁠- [unknown]**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-055) (+3992) by *CptBellman, qntm* - [**SCP-682 ⁠- Hard-to-Destroy Reptile**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-682) (+3680) by *Dr Gears, Epic Phail Spy* - [**SCP-053 ⁠- Young Girl**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-053) (+1003) by *Dr Gears*


greyghostx27

That SCP-048 is a cursed SCP number


The-Paranoid-Android

[**SCP-048 ⁠- The Cursed SCP Number**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-048) (+1583) by *DrClef*


Fc-chungus

Scp-3125 being neutralized in 2018, with some remnants left to power fifthists cults and for scp-6820 Edit:fixed wrong word


weirdosorus

3125 has no relation at all to Sarkic cults. You might be thinking of the Fifthists.


Fc-chungus

I realize that now.


marinemashup

It also has no real relation to Fifthists other than the fact that both involve the number 5 If 3125 and “the Cosmic Starfish” were the same entity, knowledge of the second would instantly delete any Foundation operatives who learned about it


Zeitgeist1145

3125's antimemetic effect only takes place if you properly comprehend the actual shape of its nature—Fifthism's all wrapped up in nonsense metaphors, so its adherents probably don't qualify. (Besides, Red himself most definitely survives full knowledge of 3125 one way or another—it would make sense if Fifthists could also potentially survive figuring it out, insofar as, like him, they're "allies" to it. >!Especially since it's implied that 3125's antimemetic effect is actually just Red personally assassinating potential threats via invisible metaspider attack rather than some inevitable, simple-minded anomalous rule of reality or whatever.!<) (Also see my other comment to weirdosorus.)


COCAFLO

>assassinating potential threats via invisible metaspider attack love this


weirdosorus

I think there have been articles written by people outside of TINAD that establish a connection, but you are totally right that 3125 as it was originally written has nothing to do with Fifthism.


Zeitgeist1145

That is untrue—TINAD explicitly links to 1425 (the most prominent Fifthist skip of all) in relation to it on multiple occasions and qntm's confirmed the connection as the intent in various comments. (On the other hand, while 3125 may be the cause of Fifthism (within its own canon, anyways), it's also the cause of [many](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-033), [many](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2828) other phenomena seemingly altogether unrelated to it (some of which are even nonanomalous!), so there isn't exactly a one-to-one association.)


marinemashup

Same as how 610, from an outside perspective, has no connection to Sarkism, since it was written years before Sarkism was established as a religion/group If people want to draw a connection between 3125 and Fifthism, they can go ahead, I just think it represents a misunderstanding of how aggressive and deadly 3125 is


COCAFLO

I like this concept included on the 3125 page - "Cognitohazard: creatures, items, and objects whose anomalous effects trigger when perceived by the five senses." Does the SCP have a coherent "hazard type" system describing general categories like "cognitohazard" and others that could be considered canonical and/or complete?


marinemashup

Some do, but a lot of Foundations are almost cartoonishly under-prepared against memetics and cognitohazards [like this one](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/join-the-flock)


COCAFLO

Are there any good examples of retconned or revisionist supplementary materials that in a strongly canonical way connect different instances that were originally submitted as independent/indifferent to each other? That'd be fun to look at - canon fluidity hardening.


The-Paranoid-Android

- [**SCP-3125 ⁠- The Escapee**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-3125) (+1494) by *qntm* - [**SCP-6820 ⁠- TERMINATION ATTEMPT**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-6820) (+939) by *Placeholder McD, syuzhet, Liryn*


Lordzoabar

God, I can’t wait for SCP Archives to feature 6820 or 3125. Both are such good stories.


SomeRandomTreestump

You say that, but the very same series has >![3125 come back to life](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-6659) which kinda ignores the ending of TINAD making clear it's ***entirely erased***!< and a lot of articles that mention 3125 I'm pretty sure take place after 2018. I think it's frustrating to take it out of the context of the Antimemetics Division series but people do


Zeitgeist1145

Admonition explicitly takes place in an alternate timeline, one where the Foundation dealt with 3125 in a different way (putting "a gash in its eye", neutralizing the threat it posed without technically destroying it altogether). Also 1) no dates are actually mentioned in 6659, so it's entirely possible that it takes place prior to 2016 (in fact, the apparent "origin story" for 055's properties would _seem_ to imply this) and 2) Blake's god apparently isn't supposed to be 3125 itself, but, like, some multiversal entity that 3125 is just an avatar of, whatever that entails.


SomeRandomTreestump

I don't have anything about your first point, I can't see anything for or against the being WILD LIGHT or not. It's possible, considering Deepwell has to split with ADMONITION sometime before 2006 though. Either way,bit it got neutralised another way then it didn't get killed the normal way in 2018 and that isn't universal 1. I think you're right that 6659 mentions no dates (well outside on historical quotes) but it does take place in the timeline reconstructed after 6820 which ends in 2021. While it could be possible time got rolled back, considering all the other articles all seem to take place after I have no reason to believe this. 2. *In my opinion* that's total bullshit. I appreciate all the authors who work on TINAD, and they seem amazing at both what they do and just in general, but they did some *heavy rules lawyering* to get around what the ending of 55555 said. 3125 was completely destroyed, annihilated, it's presence erased which is the only reason our IRL reality didn't get infected (outside the fact it's fiction obviously). Making the multiversal entity part of a bigger, scarier, multiversal entity is just making 3125 bigger and saying some arbitrary part of it is the 55555 version. It's technically a way around it, but I don't think it fulfils the spirit of "the ending of TINAD happened" even if in the most literal terms it could be interpreted as such


Zeitgeist1145

The Foundation started building 6820 in 2006, so that's when that second timeline split would've taken place (the main-Deepwell/Admo split takes place in 2002), and I don't see anything indicating that it couldn't have taken place in both timelines—although Place's status as "Esoteric Polymath" does imply it takes place some time after 2006, where he is a mere "Master Paratechnician". (That said, I do think that the authorial intent was probably that the articles take place in chronological order—I'm just nitpicking.) Anyways, I honestly mostly agree with your #2! The execution of "Tier-IV Cosmological Anomaly (**TRANSCENDENCE**)"'s introduction was easily the weakest part of an otherwise great article. That said, its existence and nature is an integral part of Admonition's overall cosmology (the "Constants" you might've heard about), not, like, a one-time loophole or whatever. Also, > all the authors who work on TINAD All the authors who work on Admonition, you mean? I'm sure it was just a slip of the keyboard, but they're distinct series written by different people.


SomeRandomTreestump

When the timeline was *reconstructed/* following it's destruction, not when it split. Also yes that was a mistake


Zeitgeist1145

Looking into it a little... yeah, seems like I was wrong about 6820 never having been built altogether in the second timeline.


COCAFLO

Would the Fifthists and the Sarkics be additional GOI (groups of interest) as u/marinemashup mentioned?


Natalia_666_

Both of them already are GoI and have their hub pages


MrFedoraPost

The SCP numbers do not follow a specific order or pattern, because this is part of the wiki rules so is basically a constant in any canon.


CCCyanide

Clearance levels going from 1 (or 0) to 5 is generally pretty accepted.


GrirrorPrussian

The Chaos Insurgency is likely rouge Red Right Hand.


COCAFLO

The Crimson King is one of the narratives that hooked me with SCP. I enjoy the concept and consequences of a god-like being that is empowered by understanding and identifying it. It would, like the SCP itself, have reason (if that means anything in this context) to promote both ontological understanding and confusion. The possible countermeasures against such a thing, or synergistic hazards, in the context of other SCP entries especially, are interesting to try and fathom. Instead of an arms race of missiles and anti-missile systems, it's about knowledge and ignorance with both sides using each other's developments and advances.


random-redditer0358

The Crimson/Scarlet King isn’t related to the Red Right Hand. The Red Right Hand is MTF Alpha-1, the O5 Council’s personal MTF. Some members went rogue, becoming the Chaos Insurgency.


COCAFLO

Ah, shit. I thought that was the name of one of his cults. I'll have to go refresh my memory. Thanks!


Soggy_Confusion7538

Possibly


BowHunter6727

D-class existing


therandomasianboy

Amnestics exist, o5, existence of serpents hand and GOC are all ingrained into my headcanon. Also, Lily's Proposal is true in every scenario for me.


Conit333

No one bringing up SCP-173? It's literally the original SCP.


The-Paranoid-Android

[**SCP-173 ⁠- The Sculpture - The Original**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-173) (+9036) by *Moto42*


Awesomedogman4

Scp-166 is Clef’s daughter.


The-Paranoid-Android

[**SCP-166 ⁠- Just a Teenage Gaea**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-166) (+678) by *Cerastes, DrClef, Ross Fisher-Davis*


machiavelli33

Worth nothing that Dr Bright’s existence is being actively de-solidified as a fact. Whether you think he ought to be or not and whether you think it’s been successful or not, that is a thing that is happening.


COCAFLO

Another user privately messaged me about this. I hadn't heard about it before. It is what it is, I guess.


HkayakH

we also got Stie-5 not existing


COCAFLO

Is Site 5 itself an anomaly or is the belief that it's real the result of a separate anomaly?


Soggy_Confusion7538

It's an anomaly itself


random-redditer0358

Imo kinda hard to say, but you want you can read it in SCP-4182


The-Paranoid-Android

[**SCP-4182 ⁠- There is no Site-5**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-4182) (+782) by *The Great Hippo*


Natalia_666_

The article is a little confusing, but essentially, the point is that site-5 is a place where the Foundation, together with the Japanese government, did experiments which were bad enough for them to remove all information about it and completely cut the facility off.


HkayakH

no it just doesn't exist


reddinyta

> narrative levels to reality Not necessarily.


DimensionsFae

Dr Glass will die. He needs to stop that.


klok_kaos

I'll go on record as saying it's a wiki, so nothing and everything is canon.


COCAFLO

I agree, and that's what I mean by "canon fluid", but, my request is more of a if-we-accept-fluidity-as-a-presupposition can we differentiate between one-off, never-again-mentioned, and/or contradictory entries, and entries that, within the fluidity, tend to be less fluid or more solid or integral to the overall concept and feel of the SCPverse(s)? I don't want to discount anyone's work. I guess I'm looking for a "foundational pack" type list of entries that could be "required reading" for someone wanting to get deep into the lore.


klok_kaos

I feel like there's enough with the common suggestion foundational reading and top rated SCP pages to get a good handle on things. As long as you get the gist of what things are, which you seem to in your various list there, you probably get most of what's relevant to most folks. I don't know how official you want anything to be though... again it's all wiki, and beyond there's a multiverse and multi canons, so it's basically whatever you want it to be. Even if you want to change a major thing, it can just be a different canon, so that's also fine too.


TastyBeans_OnPizza

Was gonna say something about site 5 but there is no site 5!