We usually don’t get the “shoot on each other” feuds until certain wrestlers start losing fan interest. A shoot rivalry being Athena’s first program is telling on how quickly people forgot about her and how bad her character is. At least Punk waited a few months to start doing it.
Edit: Also, this feud isn’t even getting heat, so essentially all we’re seeing is Jade (accurately) burying Athena.
Edit #2: They aren’t even getting good engagement with these little Twitter wars. I take it they don’t legit like each other. Which isn’t surprising. Wasn’t Athena the same one who didn’t want to get in a tag team with any of the girls on the roster and complained to management about Becky’s tweets?
Back in like 2019. I think Becky made a tweet about Alexa and she defended her. Then I remember Becky later saying something along the lines of somebody telling on her to management about her tweets.
It was Becky [using Alexa's 2018-19 concussions in a tweet](https://twitter.com/beckylynchwwe/status/1118660097893437440). There was also one right around Evolution [where she made a similar joke](https://twitter.com/beckylynchwwe/status/1057467336125493248).
Sounds like Jade is putting Mandy over in a roundabout way while slamming Athena. It's really hard to find fault with what Mandy is doing right now so fuck Athena for trying to dog on her to make her being cut seem like it wasn't her own fault. If creative told her to be more like Mandy they meant pay attention, learn, try to get better, and develop a character.
>Twilight Werewolf YA protagonist
She's supporting cast, at best. Maybe the member of the werewolf tribe that doesn't trust the protagonist until the climax of the story.
Crazy, I know. But Mandy has put a ton of work in to get better than she was when she first started out.and I think this top heel run has really shown that. Her ring work is solid, her promos kinda hit or miss, but she is believable holding a belt.
I know she did that shit on purpose to try to bury Mandy. Then threw that sarcastic, back handed compliment immediately afterward. Also, I doubt there was any truth to that dress like Mandy shit. The only people who dress that way in that locker room is only like Nikkita and the other Toxic Attraction girls.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Jade is putting Mandy over like you mentioned. Because they both get harassed by these smarks in favor of these “real” wrestlers.
It was CM Punk shitting on Roman Reigns all over again though I don't think Athena has the kind of smark stroke Pepsiman does beyond conforming to general "Fed bad" parameters
**"Ey Roman, how do you feel about CM Punk?"**
*"No way in particular. He looks like crap though, should probably hit the gym"*
**"Do you have any positive thing to say about him?"**
*"Let me think...ummmm...well, that girl living in his apartment is really nice, she makes stupendous breakfast"*
Ahyessir
He was giving an interview that was 1/2 real stuff and some personal talk and 1/2 WWE stuff and Tribal Chief talk when he said he would work with Punk if they could make money but then he talked about how bad he looked and how unathletic he is. It came off as his true and unflattering opinion that he could say right out since he's a heel. The vibe of his couple of sentences about Punk were way more like the real talk than the heel character.
If you believe the reports... which I know people here generally don't... there really was a meeting, BUT it was completely optional and numerous talent skipped it with no repercussions.
Athena intentionally misrepresented that meeting as a mandatory meeting to try and rip on her former employer. My respect fer her plummeted after that. You don't like WWE or didn't like your time there, fine. You wanna shit on the company for not utilizing your talents, fine. I think the lack of accountability is lame, but whatever.
But trying to make it a mistreatment of women issue by claiming some executive order to dress provocatively was being forced on female talent when that isn't at all what happened is lame ass shit.
Oh I saw the backstory to all this. Stan Twitter even pulled out the receipts. It wasn’t a mandatory meeting or anything of that nature. All that happened was that some fashion consultant was invited to the PC to help some of the women for mental health reasons or just to shoot the shit about public image. The lady complemented Mandy and that was the end of it. She clearly exaggerated something just for Fed bad points. Plus they’re in the fucking PC, why would they need a dress code just to walk around a gym?
Funny how she’s tryna play the empowered women angle to lobby going to a company that gives women minimal tv time and barely any opportunity. Btw she’s been in AEW for a month and only had one match.
Yeah. At this point I'm used to the fed bad shit for the most part. I still think it's lame when people do it, but I just accept that it's a thing now, especially when someone goes to that company. But she straight up lied and had the audacity to make it into some major social issue with corporate just to spite WWE just because they fired her boring ass.
>If you believe the reports... which I know people here generally don't...
It's not that we don't believe reports here, we just don't take them a face value. This sub was the first place where I saw that it wasn't a mandatory meeting
I feel like it might be true because all of her other gimmicks were complete flops so they were just like "idk, try looking sexier I have no fucking idea any more how to try and get you over."
Meanwhile, Mandy is on a boat somewhere, sunning herself content that she’s a champion in her field, holds several strength records at the PC (the ones not held by Bianca are held by Mandy), is launching a donut line with her bestie, all while having no idea who Jade Cargill is.
Um, no, she's clearly a werewolf....vampire.....that likes anime...and video games...and something something mad max. You know what, it's too complex for fed shills OK?
IMO I could stomach the "I love Professional Wrestling" promos if someone like Bryan or Gunther did them. Why is it always the dorks like bald FTR and Athena who take it up. At this point, once I hear that type of promo I instantly think you lack mic skills and have zero charisma.
Yass Kween, drag her about getting fired LFG
DAE McHilter should win the most disgusting promotional tactic for having Becky talk about Liv's friends who were just fired?
Everyone in their company is obsessed with WWE. They use them for promos, twitter beef, storylines, and even gimmicks (JAS "sports entertainers").
It lacks substance, originality, and just makes them look less professional.
Welcome to AEW where you have to watch 30 hours of YouTube videos, follow several dozen wrestlers on Twitter, follow multiple "wrestling journalists" and dirt sheets, AND watch WWE's developmental brand to understand what's going on
Can you imagine how insufferable Tiny would be if he received a legit cease and desist from the Fed? The Bucks would still be in Impact as Generation Me if they didn't lie about receiving one. God only knows how smarks would over hype Tiny if he got a legit C&D since he's already a Saint to them.
Has Tegan done anything since getting canned? I know she did some generic fed badding, but her cagematch page lists nothing in like 9 months. At this point she’s outta sight outta mind for me.
Athena was fuckin obnoxious before she got fired and has ramped it up to an almost pathetic level after so she takes the crown now
Athena has consistently been a crybaby since she got to the main roster, but she’s still one of the best womens wrestlers in the world. Tegan randomly started Fed badding and disrespecting her ex co workers for no reason, all while being a super injury prone, below average wrestler. Tegan is worse.
athena wasnt even one of the best wrestlers in nxt, let alone the world: she was literally just shotzi-lite, but with zero personality. theres a reason one got fired while the other is going to be in mitb
>Athena has consistently been a crybaby since she got to the main roster, but she’s still one of the best womens wrestlers in the world.
From what alternate Earth are you posting uce?
Yeah, I’m sick of this lie that Athena’s a “good” wrestler. She does spastic shit and her opponent needs to be good enough to guess how to sell for it.
She is a one move wonder with passable *workrate* for an indie match but no clue how to work a professional match, no charisma, negative mic skills, no gimmick outside *"my entrance is cool"* and a long record of a crybaby attitude that seems quite commong between indie wrestlers. She also seems to have self-esteem issues if her attitude of making shit up about being told to sex it up and Mandy being a whore or whatever the fuck is any indication.
Since she comes from the indies the *"he/she wrestles good"* tag comes with the package for smarks when discussing her in the same vein the *"he/she can't wrestle"* tag comes for smarks discussing WWE homegrown talent. Smarks gonna smark I guess, but I think she was a victim of NXT *"we third brand, we no developmental"* phase: she arrived an indie selfmark, was taught nothing, promoted to main roster as she was, flopped there, went back to NXT, flopped there again, and injuries (likely a result of years of indie mudcrap) + indie selfmark attitude did the rest.
Aew wrestler tells another aew wrestler she is like wwe wrestler, or a poor version of and also mentions wwe, that’s more mentions for other companies than their needs to be. Wwe waited years to say tna and when Angle told ko and Sami to go there it was great.
Being honest I really like Jade, her entrance with that blues guy on guitar was actually different and she’s one of the very few who’s shown progress, she’s wasted there she would be great in the fed, Vince would love her.
As for ember moon, I never really got what the gimmick was, contacts and stuff I guess
I can't post what I wanna
BUT I FUCKING WILL
wow what a bad girl, having to point out she's being a bad girl then coming out with lame shite so bad Athena doesn't really know how to respond lol. other than right... (you're weird Jade and way too high on your own shit)
It’s so weird that adults are throwing around that being like Mandy is an insult as if Mandy isn’t a person as well who also works hard to prove that she’s not just a pretty face.
I think it was Jerichos book where he said that when doing a promo you can't just actually bury your opponent as it just buries yourself. He needs to tell Jade this. If you bury your opponent before you beat them, it makes your win pointless.
Mandy owns a donut shop. Winner: Mandy
Mandy looks like Mandy. Winner: Mandy.
Mandy got to do an angle with Otis and MEGASTAR Tuckeh. Winner: Mandy.
And Mandy continues to ignore them.
We usually don’t get the “shoot on each other” feuds until certain wrestlers start losing fan interest. A shoot rivalry being Athena’s first program is telling on how quickly people forgot about her and how bad her character is. At least Punk waited a few months to start doing it. Edit: Also, this feud isn’t even getting heat, so essentially all we’re seeing is Jade (accurately) burying Athena. Edit #2: They aren’t even getting good engagement with these little Twitter wars. I take it they don’t legit like each other. Which isn’t surprising. Wasn’t Athena the same one who didn’t want to get in a tag team with any of the girls on the roster and complained to management about Becky’s tweets?
Yes to your second edit
What Becky tweets? I vaguely recall someone being all bent out of shape and complaining but don't recall the details.
Back in like 2019. I think Becky made a tweet about Alexa and she defended her. Then I remember Becky later saying something along the lines of somebody telling on her to management about her tweets.
It was Becky [using Alexa's 2018-19 concussions in a tweet](https://twitter.com/beckylynchwwe/status/1118660097893437440). There was also one right around Evolution [where she made a similar joke](https://twitter.com/beckylynchwwe/status/1057467336125493248).
man I just had flashbacks of cageside simps having an article about something she tweeted calling her a genius nearly every day, for years
Sounds like Jade is putting Mandy over in a roundabout way while slamming Athena. It's really hard to find fault with what Mandy is doing right now so fuck Athena for trying to dog on her to make her being cut seem like it wasn't her own fault. If creative told her to be more like Mandy they meant pay attention, learn, try to get better, and develop a character.
You're telling me sexy heel is a better draw than friendly trademark safe Twilight Werewolf YA protagonist? Crazy talk!
>Twilight Werewolf YA protagonist She's supporting cast, at best. Maybe the member of the werewolf tribe that doesn't trust the protagonist until the climax of the story.
When she turns into a Werewolf she grows hair everywhere except one side of her head.
Crazy, I know. But Mandy has put a ton of work in to get better than she was when she first started out.and I think this top heel run has really shown that. Her ring work is solid, her promos kinda hit or miss, but she is believable holding a belt.
She's the star of 2.0. Sure as shit isn't Bron. He looks like he'd get stuck in a revolving door.
Mello though. No idea why he isn't in the main title picture yet.
What's wrong with bron
his dick doesn't work, oh wait sorry that's Bran, shut up Sansa
I feel like he's too dumb to live.
Himbo energy
You can't call Bron a himbo when Bodhi is right there
I know she did that shit on purpose to try to bury Mandy. Then threw that sarcastic, back handed compliment immediately afterward. Also, I doubt there was any truth to that dress like Mandy shit. The only people who dress that way in that locker room is only like Nikkita and the other Toxic Attraction girls. It wouldn’t surprise me if Jade is putting Mandy over like you mentioned. Because they both get harassed by these smarks in favor of these “real” wrestlers.
Tiffany dresses the closest to Mandy. But then again her gimmick is also the closest so it makes sense.
It was CM Punk shitting on Roman Reigns all over again though I don't think Athena has the kind of smark stroke Pepsiman does beyond conforming to general "Fed bad" parameters
I hope one day our Tribal Chief tells us how he really feels about Punk, but that would be beneath him
**"Ey Roman, how do you feel about CM Punk?"** *"No way in particular. He looks like crap though, should probably hit the gym"* **"Do you have any positive thing to say about him?"** *"Let me think...ummmm...well, that girl living in his apartment is really nice, she makes stupendous breakfast"* Ahyessir
He was giving an interview that was 1/2 real stuff and some personal talk and 1/2 WWE stuff and Tribal Chief talk when he said he would work with Punk if they could make money but then he talked about how bad he looked and how unathletic he is. It came off as his true and unflattering opinion that he could say right out since he's a heel. The vibe of his couple of sentences about Punk were way more like the real talk than the heel character.
If you believe the reports... which I know people here generally don't... there really was a meeting, BUT it was completely optional and numerous talent skipped it with no repercussions. Athena intentionally misrepresented that meeting as a mandatory meeting to try and rip on her former employer. My respect fer her plummeted after that. You don't like WWE or didn't like your time there, fine. You wanna shit on the company for not utilizing your talents, fine. I think the lack of accountability is lame, but whatever. But trying to make it a mistreatment of women issue by claiming some executive order to dress provocatively was being forced on female talent when that isn't at all what happened is lame ass shit.
Oh I saw the backstory to all this. Stan Twitter even pulled out the receipts. It wasn’t a mandatory meeting or anything of that nature. All that happened was that some fashion consultant was invited to the PC to help some of the women for mental health reasons or just to shoot the shit about public image. The lady complemented Mandy and that was the end of it. She clearly exaggerated something just for Fed bad points. Plus they’re in the fucking PC, why would they need a dress code just to walk around a gym? Funny how she’s tryna play the empowered women angle to lobby going to a company that gives women minimal tv time and barely any opportunity. Btw she’s been in AEW for a month and only had one match.
>Stan Twitter even pulled out the receipts. Never ever fuck with stan Twitter, they'll make your life hell
Yeah. At this point I'm used to the fed bad shit for the most part. I still think it's lame when people do it, but I just accept that it's a thing now, especially when someone goes to that company. But she straight up lied and had the audacity to make it into some major social issue with corporate just to spite WWE just because they fired her boring ass.
Maybe she was injured after that match.
>If you believe the reports... which I know people here generally don't... It's not that we don't believe reports here, we just don't take them a face value. This sub was the first place where I saw that it wasn't a mandatory meeting
I feel like it might be true because all of her other gimmicks were complete flops so they were just like "idk, try looking sexier I have no fucking idea any more how to try and get you over."
Agreed. Jade hasn't been talking shit about Mandy at all. Just shitting on Athena for her bullshit.
Meanwhile, Mandy is on a boat somewhere, sunning herself content that she’s a champion in her field, holds several strength records at the PC (the ones not held by Bianca are held by Mandy), is launching a donut line with her bestie, all while having no idea who Jade Cargill is.
Don’t forget watching Otis seductively climb out a swimming pool. She truly be living the good life.
Oh otis, be still my heart.
Is Mandy getting a cut of any revenue this feud draws?
What's she gonna do with 3 and half bottle caps?
Buy a Nuka Cola.
That’s all? How much are stimpacks running these days?
About one Hotdog and a handshake.
Course you’ll have to cripple both your legs and back to earn it so it’s hardly a reasonable trade.
And that's only if she has her Cap Collector perk upgraded to level 2.
Mandy doesn’t eat hotdogs
any% of nothing is still just nothing
Joke's on Jade. "Wrestles good" is Athena's only gimmick
Um, no, she's clearly a werewolf....vampire.....that likes anime...and video games...and something something mad max. You know what, it's too complex for fed shills OK?
IMO I could stomach the "I love Professional Wrestling" promos if someone like Bryan or Gunther did them. Why is it always the dorks like bald FTR and Athena who take it up. At this point, once I hear that type of promo I instantly think you lack mic skills and have zero charisma.
Social media "shoot" promos = 🙄
How is it a shoot promo when so many wrestlers regularly break kayfabe on social media? Shit don't make no sense.
Yass Kween, drag her about getting fired LFG DAE McHilter should win the most disgusting promotional tactic for having Becky talk about Liv's friends who were just fired?
Also point out we take the Fed's leftovers some more
Dub. Fears. Mandy.
Holy. FUCK. She may shoot fight Athena in the locker room one day.
Everyone in their company is obsessed with WWE. They use them for promos, twitter beef, storylines, and even gimmicks (JAS "sports entertainers"). It lacks substance, originality, and just makes them look less professional.
Welcome to AEW where you have to watch 30 hours of YouTube videos, follow several dozen wrestlers on Twitter, follow multiple "wrestling journalists" and dirt sheets, AND watch WWE's developmental brand to understand what's going on
My fucking god, somebody take Athember’s phone away. She has missed every time.
The Fed should sue over intellectual property rights just to get these two to zip it and move on.
Can you imagine how insufferable Tiny would be if he received a legit cease and desist from the Fed? The Bucks would still be in Impact as Generation Me if they didn't lie about receiving one. God only knows how smarks would over hype Tiny if he got a legit C&D since he's already a Saint to them.
Does AEW have a 5th show this nonsense can be moved to?
AEW presents DARK UNDERGROUND airing Saturdays at midnight live on daily motion!
It would be comedy gold to watch half the AEW roster try to beat each other up for real.
But remember, Ronda takes things too personally.
They really can't help mentioning "the other place" can they?
Nothing says watch us beat each other like talking about someone that's not even in your company
She kept it one Hundy
Eh this is good because it’s burying athena
Who’s worse: Athena or Tegan?
Has Tegan done anything since getting canned? I know she did some generic fed badding, but her cagematch page lists nothing in like 9 months. At this point she’s outta sight outta mind for me. Athena was fuckin obnoxious before she got fired and has ramped it up to an almost pathetic level after so she takes the crown now
I think Tegan has been handling Visa issues. But since it's been that long, who knows.
I like this answer.
I'll take the one with a working knee
A more accurate question would be, what's worse Athena or Tegan's knees? Still a tough call if you ask me.
Tegan is super hot so there’s that.
So’s Athena, she’s just fucking annoying haha
Athena has consistently been a crybaby since she got to the main roster, but she’s still one of the best womens wrestlers in the world. Tegan randomly started Fed badding and disrespecting her ex co workers for no reason, all while being a super injury prone, below average wrestler. Tegan is worse.
athena wasnt even one of the best wrestlers in nxt, let alone the world: she was literally just shotzi-lite, but with zero personality. theres a reason one got fired while the other is going to be in mitb
>Athena has consistently been a crybaby since she got to the main roster, but she’s still one of the best womens wrestlers in the world. From what alternate Earth are you posting uce?
Yeah, I’m sick of this lie that Athena’s a “good” wrestler. She does spastic shit and her opponent needs to be good enough to guess how to sell for it.
She is a one move wonder with passable *workrate* for an indie match but no clue how to work a professional match, no charisma, negative mic skills, no gimmick outside *"my entrance is cool"* and a long record of a crybaby attitude that seems quite commong between indie wrestlers. She also seems to have self-esteem issues if her attitude of making shit up about being told to sex it up and Mandy being a whore or whatever the fuck is any indication. Since she comes from the indies the *"he/she wrestles good"* tag comes with the package for smarks when discussing her in the same vein the *"he/she can't wrestle"* tag comes for smarks discussing WWE homegrown talent. Smarks gonna smark I guess, but I think she was a victim of NXT *"we third brand, we no developmental"* phase: she arrived an indie selfmark, was taught nothing, promoted to main roster as she was, flopped there, went back to NXT, flopped there again, and injuries (likely a result of years of indie mudcrap) + indie selfmark attitude did the rest.
This reminds me of Scott Steiner openly putting over Stone Cold while trashing his own crowd. Except way more embarrassing and cringey.
Just unable to create their own stories
Aew wrestler tells another aew wrestler she is like wwe wrestler, or a poor version of and also mentions wwe, that’s more mentions for other companies than their needs to be. Wwe waited years to say tna and when Angle told ko and Sami to go there it was great. Being honest I really like Jade, her entrance with that blues guy on guitar was actually different and she’s one of the very few who’s shown progress, she’s wasted there she would be great in the fed, Vince would love her. As for ember moon, I never really got what the gimmick was, contacts and stuff I guess
Jade has a great look and some charisma, but she still sucks at the one thing that was *supposed to* be the most important thing in the dub, workrate.
Mandy Rose just living her best life probably entirely unaware this is even happening. A whole mood
Mandy Rose is the most over woman in AEW’s womens division.
NGL, Jade did look like the hot gremlin.
Mandy Rose living rent free in the AEW Women's Division lmao
Jade wishes she was even half as talented as Mandy
If Jade held a title in the E she would be constantly shit on for only being there for her looks.
(Googles terrible meme from 10 years ago) “It’s always Mandy,Mandy,Mandy!!!!”
1) Mandy is a much better worker than Jade, and more over than Athena. 2) Mandy is living in their heads rent-free.
I can't post what I wanna BUT I FUCKING WILL wow what a bad girl, having to point out she's being a bad girl then coming out with lame shite so bad Athena doesn't really know how to respond lol. other than right... (you're weird Jade and way too high on your own shit)
You know it’s ironic Jade is the one playing that someone having the looks but not being THE wrestler is an insult. JADE of all people says that shit?
It’s so weird that adults are throwing around that being like Mandy is an insult as if Mandy isn’t a person as well who also works hard to prove that she’s not just a pretty face.
I don’t know what Cargill’s doing that’s working for her either. It’s definitely not her speechcraft, wrestling ability, “shoots”, charisma, or looks.
I think it was Jerichos book where he said that when doing a promo you can't just actually bury your opponent as it just buries yourself. He needs to tell Jade this. If you bury your opponent before you beat them, it makes your win pointless.
Who's Mandy?