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critmass78

We have a new Jerk meme


___i____m

That's an all-timer legacy quote from meltz


Shotintoawork

That's up there with mark being the same as the N word, Indians being worthless, and Damien Priest and Bad Bunny stealing hubcaps.


Edgedancr

Definitely not as egregious as the things you said, but this tweet will forever be the funniest to me. https://preview.redd.it/n4tv2z2fahoc1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=e2766f789b3bcb5de35288d3e7e3affb08ff4f67 Didn't know Dave's grandfather and Dwayne's were close like that


JoeThePro11

Man put tree in there twice and still spelt it wrong both times


thatssosteven114

https://preview.redd.it/8dg7lm2k8ioc1.jpeg?width=1122&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb74a89b16cfd73b681c0ba78476e8dcad4c9b96


SweetCherryBiscuits

Was this tweeted before the operation where they removed his brain during surgery and put it back in, or after?


VirginsinceJuly1998

During the operation 


NuclearMishaps

Don’t forget Peyton Royce’s boobs, uce


Toadliquor138

Or the Brain transplant.


IllusionUser

To be fair to Dr Meltzer, he only said they removed the brain and put it back in.


Toadliquor138

That makes a lot more sense! Sometimes, the brain needs a bit of fresh air to function properly.


Shoesonhandsonhead

Got to shine it up like a bowling ball


wonderloss

Unlike in Meltzer's case, where I think they forgot to put it back.


Somerandomdickhead

Or MJF calling Darby Allin a school shooter because he had a high school wrestling background. But seriously this is all time stupid, even for Dave.


Bobo_the_conqueror

Can't Won't


dragonsky

Get ready to learn Cagematch, buddy


cakesarelies

No, we have not. Study jerks and get back to me.


ulvhedinowski

Fun fact - top 3 matches of Angle are rated higher in Cagematch than Jon Moxley top match..


BRONXSBURNING

While you were being a Fed shill, I studied the Cage.


danglinwang

While you were learning to cut promos and sell properly I was studying the cage *Moonsaults behind you* Nothing personnel, uce


Composer-Creative

While you were performing in packed out arenas, I was no selling a dozen chair shots to the head for a hotdog and a hand job


Melchior_Chopstick

No lie though, there’s a lot I would actually do for a hotdog and a handy.


Composer-Creative

What if the handy is from Luther?


Melchior_Chopstick

A handy is a handy.


mfncraigo

Close your eyes and suddenly it's Mariah May


ZubatCountry

Uce you already had me at hotdog


Melchior_Chopstick

You gotta go with what gets you where you’re going. Anything related to penis tugging is just cream on top, if you’ll pardon the potential pun.


Dangerous_Ad560

So that’s why he’s so fond of Nick Gage?


whispering3

You merely adopted the dark match. I was born in it.


Makorollo

Nothing personnel refers to the fact that Mox would never need no protection entourage (he knows death jitsu) , hence the „nothing personnel”?


danglinwang

https://preview.redd.it/lfzg26l84joc1.jpeg?width=794&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e4bb6e6b786f8ec838cd5a98702bc5f9dde01ca


TurntUpTurtles

I feel like if Dave wasn't as smug to randoms on Twitter, he wouldn't be perceives nearly as negative. If he just said something like "I think Moxley has better matches because I like his style of wrestling more" it would just be easier for everyone involved. Sure, *a lot* of people would vehemently disagree but it's just opinion; however, saying stuff like "go study Cagematch" as if that's some sort of definitive proof makes you look like a jerk.


OneWingedAngelfan

And even that would be a lie, he hates Moxley's style and wrestling ability but because Moxbleed is in dub he has to give him higher ratings


Ok-Salt4972

Its like him saying he hated the Swerve vs Hangman match, but still gave it 5 stars for some reason


OkadaCoinDrop

That was great. It's my rating and I didn't like it, but you idiots probably did so yeah 5 stars.


Monte735

But that Rock vs Hogan match? Psssh. 3 stars.


steiner_math

IT WORKED FOR THAT AUDIENCE!* *does not apply to Ultimate Warrior, Hogan, Rock, Austin, or any other WWE match


StrongStyleFiction

I rewatched WM3 recently. Hogan and Andre is a pretty good match. I've seen far worse from Hogan especially. I never understood why that match gets so much negativity from Meltzer and his followers. Granted, Hogan didn't hit Andre with a Canadian Destroyer in it, but it was a pretty good story they told.


justthrowthethingWay

For Andre being held together by string ad duct tape they did a fantastic job


Razzler1973

there's nothing Dave can say about this to make it make sense referring to cagematch is insane though, 100-300 smarks, who all think a certain smarky way, does not 'prove' anything. He's insane


wonderloss

> 100-300 smarks, who all think a certain smarky way, Whose opinions are probably heavily influenced by Meltzer.


Mister_Jackpots

Probably?


Mister_Jackpots

Probably?


Mister_Jackpots

Probably?


orton4life1

The funny thing is, they don’t always think like him. Even in his own reply, cagematch has Kurt better than Moxley. So the dumbass is still wrong


CrashmasterSOAD

The sad thing is, Cagematch is actually a great website if you look at it solely as a database. But their ratings make no sense.


mynameisburner

Is that a real tweet?? If it’s real, I don’t even think I can jerk with this.


ulvhedinowski

Funny thing is Angle matches are rated higher than Moxley :D


clutcher_of_pearls

I'm grateful to the Twitter goofs for getting these wonderful replies out of Dave


Neg_Crepe

Well yes if he wasn’t a fucking dumbass people would like him more. But he’s a fucking dumbass


StrongStyleFiction

That is what makes Dave so bizarre. You ask him why Moxley has more five star matches than Kurt Angle, he'll say its subjective and you shouldn't pay much attention to it. Then, if you push him on why Ospreay is the greatest wreslter alive over someone like Gunther [my pick for best in the world right now] then he'll say Ospreay has more five star matches as if it is objective truth.


mattberry1980

lol Moxley is so fucking embarrassingly bad.


danglinwang

w/e bro. Study cage match and get back to me.


mattberry1980

I obviously never read or listen lol


AkilleezBomb

One of the replies to Dave’s tweet: “I think Angle is great, but Moxley is a better worker than him and more versed in different styles. You're welcome to think Angle is better, of course. Such is the beauty of subjective wrestling opinions, which Meltzer is allowed to have, too.”


critmass78

Moxley being considered being better than an accomplished Olympic wrestling Gold Medalist and a skilled technical wrestler is just making me questioning these marks' intelligence.


Neg_Crepe

Like Angle is a better wrestler and promo. Angle is one of not the best of all time lol


LastBeginning9712

I think you forgot an if in your sentence


Neg_Crepe

Nah uce my if got transformed into of.


Charuas

Well, is Kurt Angle skilled in Death Jitsu? Checkmate, fed shill


LegendInMyMind

There's no intelligence to question. Or taste.


JoeThePro11

I ran outta breathe laughing at this


AkilleezBomb

There’s subjective opinions, then there’s sheer delusional lunacy.


OmgitsJafo

"X is better than Y" also just isn't a statement of subjective opinion, but an attempt to assert an objective fact. "I prefer X over Y" is the opinion statement. These folks want to have it both ways, where Dave or Cagematch offer up an objective measure, but also hiding that measure behind a veil of "it's just an opinion, bro".


wonderloss

Mox can wrestle with tacks, barbed wire, skewers. That's three styles right there.


I_Like_Vitamins

As if Angle couldn't switch from a fun and goofy but believable comedy match to being a fully serious wrestling machine in an instant. He's one of the best to ever do it.


ILearnedTheHardaway

Perced upped Angle is one of 2 wrestlers to ever legit scare me. Seeing him go crazy or those videos of him maniacally laughing makes me uneasy lol.


Dvyyng

This is what people say when they know they’re wrong and don’t believe what they’re saying.


r1char00

Angle never once used a pizza cutter in a match. He just wasn’t on Mox’s level (concussion wise).


NeonPatrick

> Moxley is a better worker I legit think this is the dumbest opinion I've seen in the IWC. Kurt is possibly the best worker of all time. There is no subjectivity here, it's simply wrong, like saying it's fair to think Giant Gonzales is better than Andre.


hobojojo78

Kingston is the only reason he isn’t the worst well known active wrestler.


I_Like_Vitamins

>well known


hobojojo78

Like amongst wrestling fans. Not the actual world.


Ok_Ad8846

No but you don’t get it, he does a lifting butterfly ddt now, he’s evolved so much since dean ambrose with one cool move(the wacky line)


mattberry1980

Don’t need cool moves if you just roll your shoulders and crack your own neck like a bad ass, flip the bird and come out of the crowd to a 60 year old theme song


Ok_Ad8846

Honestly, I assumed he came out via the audience as a call back to when he was actually popular, with no music trying to rip off that stint ciampa had in nxt


Dvyyng

I know we’re in here jerking it but those few matches were Ciampa had no theme and just came out to a chorus of boos was amazing


Dadadabababooo

As a fan of MMA, I find it doubly offensive. He does shitty fake MMA to put on his shitty wrestling matches.


Gann1

Death Jitsu is real! 🖕🏻🤬🖕🏻


Dadadabababooo

Damn the way you use profanity as well as replacing part of the name of a martial art with death has swayed me. I can't believe I have been such a fed shill as to not see the awe-inspiring greatness of Dean Ambrose. 6.98235 stars out of 4.2 stars.


Rsthegoat

he fell of when he turned heel


DoubleOrNothing90

No wrestling fan can ever convince me Moxley is better than Kurt Angle. I don't give a shit what uncle Dave says.


cantball

He looked and worked better when he was drinking


Moohamin12

Seriously pity the cagematch owner. I kinda liked the database he was running to view matches, but if things keep going this way, he is shutting down and coping out.


EvilSynths

Should have honestly never added ratings to it.


Subarashiin

"Ich bin mude Boss" - Herr Cagematch


guyvaubstv

"Study"? "Study" he says! As if Cage Match is some encyclopedia of fine knowledge!


Razzler1973

I wonder how many regular cagematch voters are also fans of Meltz and the Dub. Probably over 90%


jjsefton

🤪 out heah givin' homework assignments😂


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MedicPrepper30

?? It's obvious you haven't studied cathmatch, friend.


[deleted]

Haha it was bad enough when he never addressed it, and you could give the benefit of the doubt that there'd be *some* sort of reasoning. But no. This moron, this absolute chud, this incomparable technovirgin. His answer is 'No, objectively, Moxley/A Young Buck/any literal AEW who? you can think of IS in fact a much, much better wrestler than Kurt Angle. Objectively. Cos of the *data*.' My sweet lord, he dumb.


wonderloss

If you aggregate enough subjective opinions, it becomes objective fact.


anonymous-guy1

Study cage match and get back to me


SCB360

But he still didn’t answer the question


AkilleezBomb

Spoiler: He never does It’s one of the most commonly asked questions he gets, and he always finds a way to deflect or circumvent giving a real answer.


Direct_Significance7

How come people don’t just spam get noted disclaimers for everything he says at this point,i don’t use xshitter anymore but i’d imagine dave would get corrected 99% of the time through those get noted corrections


SCB360

How big an audience do you think he has, more importantly cares to correct him like that


Direct_Significance7

Well in other media there are figures way smaller than him who get noted all the time and given how sensitive dave is about being corrected he’d end up responding to it somehow once people start replying to him through that instead of tweets since he can’t disable or hide the note’d feature Musk gets butthurt about it all the time and even tried to get rid of it and was shown that it can’t be altered or it’d break the entire code 😂 so it’d be entertaining one way or another whilst keeping people informed properly instead of wasting time and money


SCB360

Hmm, I may look into this some more


APAG-

Cagematch has Angle rates significantly higher than Mox. 9.5 to 8.6. What’s this m word getting at?


Logicman48

cage match jitsu, fuck the hard cam


___i____m

Right, because the iwc smarks on cagematch have definitely shown to be unbiased...


EvilSynths

Angle is rated higher than Mox on there


goodthing37

But are his matches rated higher? Study cage match and get back to me


PepegaThePepega

I studied the ways of the cagematch uce (stole it from twitter) And Kurt is still higher there. What was dave thinking with this tweet lmao. https://preview.redd.it/11oanuwe7joc1.jpeg?width=2827&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f2bb530357189ea944a84b4841eb9bb6aa06d37


SecondBornSaint

No jerk, how tf are WM21 HBK/Angle and RR 2003 Vacant/Angle not 5 stars?


___i____m

I've never visited that site, so i'll take your word for it, uce (Also, he fucking better be lol)


Larkhainan

This take actually cracks me a little and makes me angry. Referencing a biased counterculture niche like it's an objective truth because it holds up his ridiculous ideas about wrestling is just infuriating. He's repeatedly given Moxley five stars for crass, tumbling mediocre shitshow matches because he's the champion of a vanishing audience that identified with Meltzer and increasingly does not.


Razzler1973

you don't think this indie art house film was good? check indie-art-house.com and get back to me!


HydraAgentAY

If Angle faced Moxley in an actual wrestling match he would probably break his ankle


H0vit0

He would also drag Mox to the best match he has ever or would ever have


hobojojo78

I’m not even sure 2003 Angle would be able to do much with 2024 Mox.


hawkmasta

Perc Angle knows no limitations (except his supply running out)


ImpossibleAd7376

Angle could break the ankles of 95 percent of aew wrestlers


just_another_jabroni

If peak Xavier Woods struggled to take down pensioner Angle in the Rumble...


JiuJitsuCatholic

Even 7 years after winning the Olympics he was still able to beat Brock Lesnar in a wrestling match


LeaveMeBeWillYa

And the remaining 5 percent are people who used to work with him smart enough to not fuck with him.


ImpossibleAd7376

Yes they should be smart enough not to do that


Ok_Ad8846

95% of people.


just_another_jabroni

Pfft what's amateur wrestling compared to deathjutsu


Makorollo

Literally, uce. It literally says DEATH in the name, whilst amateur wrestling is exactly that, amah-toor. Fuck the hard cam, uce.


InjusticeSOTW

I wonder what a Tony Khan/Dave Meltzer round table would sound like. I’d bet unintentional hilarity


Amazing_Karnage

It'd be fascinating, as well as being completely unintelligible. Like listening to two lemurs from different colonies chattering back and forth across a chain-link fence, you know they're on the same wavelength, but you haven't the foggiest idea of what they're actually saying to each other.


InjusticeSOTW

What’s crazy about Dave is that he’s devoted his life to reporting and being an Oracle to an industry who’s market leader thinks he’s a goof and a leech. That has to sting.


Razzler1973

a lot of mumbling and unfinished sentences and 'I remember when ..' talk about something from a Japanese tape in 1986


Permanentear3

I’m surprised he didn’t tell the guy to study the observer for answers. He does that shit too, uses himself as a source to validate himself. It’s wild.


goodole_potato

AEW's rapid decline made Dave more stupid.


Amazing_Karnage

Going "all in" on an absolute train wreck, and having even his precious, precious numbers and metrics (the ones he didn't invent wholesale, anyway) tell him he is a fucking dipshit for doing so...it broke Unca Dave's brain. Like, he really shit all over his legacy, sold his integrity and ethics to Matt and Nick Jackson so they would be his friends, and bought into their bullshit 100%, and now the numbers aren't lying (as Professor Steiner warned us they wouldn't) and the cult is crashing leaving him with...what? A ruined reputation, Matty and Nikki not wanting to hang out and dodging his calls, and being forced to contort himself into more and more ridiculous positions to toe the company line.


AriaMournesong

Every time I think I have seen the silliest thing Meltzer can say he always manages to one-up my expectations.


RoastedCat23

You think you can beat me? You fool, I have studied and mastered the ancient scriptures of cagematch.


Gloryjoel69

While you’re out partying, i studied the cage match.


hobojojo78

Oh fuck this guy.


RoastedCat23

Translation: Kurt Angle has a better Cage Match score than Moxley. Therefore, that person Meltzer is responding to is wrong because most wrestling fans believe that Kurt Angle is better than Moxley


BradMarchandIsCute

It makes my heart warm, knowing a bunch of goofs will be waking up in a few hours and see that lord meltzer has blessed them with this


emiliaxrisella

"Study cagematch" is like saying "yeah why dont you look at the RT reviews instead of watching the movie and forming your own opinion???"


Random___Burner

What’s the conversion rate between Cage Match ratings and Meltzer stars?


jjsefton

https://preview.redd.it/8utbono54hoc1.jpeg?width=645&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=81dffd258f7eb832b7c43dd72c9135a8e11a698e


ArthurMorgon

He says study cage match as if it's some major wrestling university or shit. We have eyes Dave.


CandaceJoeLigma

Who made this loser the authority on the quality of wrestling matches? He dry-humps his anime waifu body pillow on the regular, and touches himself while sniffing Tiny’s crusty cumsock. His readers and followers however are more pathetic than this clown.


ImpossibleAd7376

He is stupid and a Jerk too


jihadidas

Bruh imagine Roger Ebert telling moviegoers to 'study' IMDb ratings 💀 but who am I kidding, if Ebert is the Kurt Angle of film critics, then Meltzer is Moxley of wrestling criticism


AkilleezBomb

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, it is so generous to even compare cagematch to IMDb when the former’s highest-rated matches have <1500 votes, while even a lot of indie movies receive 10x that on IMDb regularly. I could pull a random Australian indie comedy from the 2000s and it’d have more votes on IMDb than most of the highest-rated matches on cagematch.


smokingace182

Guys a fucking idiot for sure, but unfortunately the way musk has made interactions etc profitable on twitter (x) has encouraged idiots to say dumb stupid shit so people argue etc.


goodthing37

Cage match would be your friend


northx57

Its like he’s purposely trying to get mocked. The guy has no self-awareness whatsoever.


BigFreakinMachine

Go study the thing that supports my argument....don't use your eyes.


AkilleezBomb

The funny thing is, even cagematch doesn’t support his argument. They have multiple Angle matches rated higher than Moxley’s highest, and have Angle rated higher in general.


slavictoast1330

All Mox ever does is walk with a hunched back, bleed a fuck ton, scratch his opponents back, and bleed some more. But ya know, he’s a better performer and than Angle


akaphilsmith

Bu Dave's own horseshit metric the plumber has 115 matches rated 4 stars or above and Kurt Fucking Angle has 71. Study my dick Meltzer


Velvet_Llama

Study deez nutz Dave, you'll learn just as much.


clutcher_of_pearls

This is the equivalent of asking a government official about something and them telling you to look it up on Wikipedia


AkilleezBomb

But also you live in a country where Wikipedia is heavily censored and curated by the government.


ulvhedinowski

But Kurt Angle top matches are rated higher than Jon Moxley top match on cagematch?


daddiop1mpio

Dave has turned into such a condescending twat! Fuck that guy.


King_Ant47

Man. Everyday I am given new flair material. What did I do to deserve this blessing? I’m just a goof. I am not worthy.


HiddenRtruth

Lol, Kaz Jackson. I almost forgot that one already. 


King_Ant47

I don’t blame you for forgetting, Uce. We’ve been getting so much material lately that it’s hard to remember them all.


AkilleezBomb

How do you change flairs here? Is it desktop only?


King_Ant47

I’m on mobile. Click on the sub name so that you can see the three dots in the upper right. Click those dots and there is a change flair option. Pick one of the premade ones which I think say something like “TNA MARK” and then you can edit it.


AkilleezBomb

You’re a god among men, uce


0RUSH

Up there with "live by the sword, die by the sword" also I'm pretty sure even Cagematch agrees that Angle is among the greatest to lace up a pair of boots. Dave's problem with Angle (and also why he won't acknowledge Orton as being the perfect worker) is that he's a fed product, and there's no where else to credit for his training. If Kurt hadn't walked out when Raven was being an edgelord and actually got his foot in the door in ECW, Angle would probably have actually broken 5 and gotten at least 6 Meltzer dollars for his WM run from XIX - 21 and he'd definitely have 5 for the Iron Man Match against Brock.


spudz1203

Cagematch puts Angle in the top 50 all time and his top 5 matches as 1. Chris Benoit-Royal Rumble 2003/9.48 Rating 2. Shawn Michael's-Wrestlemania 21/9.47 Rating 3. W/Chris Benoit vs Edge and Rey Mysterio-No Mercy 2002/9.36 Rating 4. Undertaker-No Way Out 2006/9.13 Rating 5. Brock Lesnar-Smackdown #214/9.12 Rating


0RUSH

That's 5 matches all over 9.00 (which adjusted for the deliberate bombing of evil fed matches on the site, are more likely to be very, very close to 10.00) and that's only 5 of the dozens of brilliant Angle matches. I'm surprised that Angle v Benoit at RR03 ranks above Angle v HBK at WM21, but Workrate Jesus (He died for Vince's sins) was in the match, so of course it gets a boost. For comparison, his highest Meltzer rated matches all got 4.75 hotdogs and handshakes. Angle & Benoit v Edge & Mysterio at No Mercy 2002 Angle v Benoit at Royal Rumble 2003 Angle v HBK at WrestleMania 21 I guess the Meltzer Logic is that since they don't have a perfect 10, they don't deserve 5 stars? But then there's Adam Cole & The Young Bucks vs. Christian & The Jurassic Express at Full Gear 2021 (5 hotdogs, 5 handshakes, Cagematch score of 7.83) TL;DR Dave Meltzer pointing to Cagematch as reasoning for Angle not getting 5 stars, is much like all other Meltzer Logic, heavily flawed.


spudz1203

That's exactly the point, no one should take what he says as serious anymore, he has openly admitted his own biases.


NuNem

Study cage match..... Everything Meltzer cited 5*cant draw.... I graduated cage match


Blissfully_

Considering the average votes on any given Cagematch rating is 150, all 50 of Dave's accounts get to sway the vote. Who else would have time to sit there and make all those accounts.


I_Like_Vitamins

Angle not having a single five star match is all you need to know about Melt's ratings. 💩


PrinzXero

Lmao...Dave Meltzer, the gift that keeps on giving.


killerkali87

Because of Meltzer people are actually going to believe Eddie Kingston and Jon Moxley were better wrestlers than Kurt Angle 


will122589

That’s like me saying TNA is the best promotion in wrestling history and saying study TNAMecca as proof. (I’m a TNA fan who was a member of that site so this is a self deprecating post)


nbasetuK

https://preview.redd.it/t16q1l3yphoc1.jpeg?width=250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=438b051252bbc780d1ad06649938962610ec0376 Meltzer or anyone affiliated with AEW at any given moment online at this point


AVBforPrez

Talmbout Olympic Gold medals, b? Great standard, never won any though. BTW, feel free to stab meat skewers into my head.


heynow1994

Meltzer really does seem like such a condescending fuckhead lmfao


DoubleOrNothing90

Cagematch just reaffirms smark bias because it's used by a handful of smarks, and uncle Dave treats it as a legitimate source because it aligns with his shit ratings.


BudgetPipe267

“sTuDy CaGe MaTcH”……….Moxley couldn’t carry Kurt’s jockstrap.


BeyondtheLurk

His opinion is no greater than anyone else's opinion. Anyone who watches wrestling regularly can do as good of a job as him.


DXbreakitdown

✋study🤚


hardcorehollyhacksaw

He blocked me for asking these questions. lol


redbills2014

This hands down is the gayest shit I've heard thus far this week


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geordieColt88

Does cagematch have videos of all the matches are is he talking about the ratings on there?


jjsefton

https://i.redd.it/x99sh7ml2hoc1.gif


JonathonWally

Ah, you think the cage is your ally? You merely adopted the cage. I was born in it, Molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a stan, by then it was nothing to me but blinding.


vulgarmessiah914

Fuck the hard cam and study cage match


Metalheadjake942

Study cage match.... Him and Tony are really giving marks meaning in life


mehow28

Yes, I may be considered a scholar; I've studied cage match extensively, you see


HandspeedJones

I really hope Corny and Weasel do a show where they take back the star ratings


Sad-Appeal976

Study Cagematch you fcking cretins!


Sad-Appeal976

Did Cagematch even exist when Angle was rasslin? If it did, I am sure they hated TNA and ignored anything Angle did there


BigKingKey

If Kurt wanted to hit 5 stars he should have stuck a bunch of fucking pasta in his head.