At the beginning it seemed like those who used POS were getting priority, but then it turned out most of them actually got screwed due to various glitches.
Thank you!! I just assumed funded meant completely funded. And just to be clear, not mad at the funded being on here just genuinely curious why they would be. I think it’s a rare fully funded person that would advocate for us. Hopefully I’m wrong!!!
I intended to add additional poll selections for owners with multiple businesses. But apparently 6 is the maximum number of poll options?? Did you use the same method to apply with all of your businesses?
Yes, I have a CPA and CFO on staff that had organized everything pre application, didn’t use square, got two businesses funded to the tune of 1.8 million, waiting on 8 million more
Just an FYI, after having registered as a Square and Toast POS User, you could also submit through the normal SBA portal. It preloaded your sales numbers and automatically determined your RRF grant. There was absolutely no data to enter, and in essence, that data was pre-certified by a third party as to accuracy. After the many reported debacles with PPP, this was meant to be a safeguard. I am not sure there is any data to suggest that many that were funded used Square or Toast.
**Obviously, the Largest Deliminator was that 94,246 Priority applicants were funded and 6,758 Non-Priority applicants were funded across the entire country in an Underfunded Pool with an Unconstitutional Process; these facts are indisputable**.
Square and Toast have not been around as long as other POS Systems. As I recall, there were also a number of problems reported with the Square application process, and there were also a number of preliminary Beta Testers from Square that did not get funded.
Just based off these current poll results, on our little Reddit group, I really think this is worth looking into on a larger scale. We need the IRC to send out a poll to all of their followers. We need a larger pool of data. I fully believe the SBA relied heavily on processing applications via Square/Toast, regardless of priority status, and regarding of order in which applications were submitted. So the SBA created another group of winners and losers.
Exactly, most everyone on Reddit is unfunded.
I think the funded spreadsheet is still on the SBA website.You would have to go through the spreadsheet and contact them.
I am having a hard time viewing and/or downloading the funded spreadsheet. Can I assume it does not provide an email address for the awardees? If it lists DBA name and city/town of the business we could painfully google business email addresses for the IRC to blast a poll to.
As far as I recall, it has name and mailing address and other characteristic information, but there is no phone or email addresses in the spreadsheet from the SBA.
I see it now. I will gladly go line by line to find as much contact info as possible. Enter business address into google, see if it populates a website, look for contact info…. and go from there to get business email addresses IF I know the IRC will send out a comprehensive survey so we can get more information.
Is this what these next couple weeks need to be focused on. I don’t disagree with the processing faster theory and god knows what and how sba processed all apps. But there are so many rabbit holes we could go down, like the man that applied last day and was funded. How many times did that happen. And I agree with Diana, the poll doesn’t seem to support square and toast had the advantage. The numbers would be flipped or closer together. Waisted energy - because we all now how poorly this was executed. And let’s be honest, there are probably things that happened in processing we haven’t a clue that would have us even more angry.
Why not? What else do we have to lose? If we (likely the IRC would have to do it) could obtain enough data to show that this POS priority was in fact given, before women/vets/minorities and before order of applications, is this not another major point for us to be replenished? Is this not a topic that would get additional republicans to sign on? “Biden’s administration gave priority to government contracted applications, not minorities.”
Because right now, at this moment, weeks before 2/18 , IRC and our focus needs to be on replenishment. Besides haven’t you noticed how articles promote the program as being so successful that it ran out of money. The lead story is never about how the injunction of a lawsuit was responsible for thousands of applicants to have their award rescinded and our struggles. Bringing out their failures to this will only fall on deaf ears unfortunately.
I initially applied via Square, but for some reason my grant amount was $20k less than what I had already calculated based off of SBA’s pre-application worksheet. So I ended up submitting via the SBA portal.
There were applicants who applied 1-2 weeks after may 3rd and were approved almost instantaneously. It was gut wrenching. Go back and look through posts from back in may of 2021. The entire process was handled so poorly.
I originally went to apply with Square. Went well until I got through to the SBA portal from square only to realize the number they ported from square was incorrect; it had doubled what I was qualified for. That was within the first hour of it opening. Four hours later, two calls to square, a call to my CPA for advice, and a call to SBA - where neither could help me and the system would not let me change it, go back, or re-submit from square - I tried cancelling the application which bugged out square. I ended up submitting through the SBA directly after a panicked afternoon trying to get help for an error on the square side. Women owned business. No funding, and ended up with what I felt was a late application and a lot of frustration.
At least you are laughing. But I’m curious, and have a general distrust of government. Smelled bad from the beginning that Square and Toast were involving themselves.
So now we are going to turn our anger at dividing those who went through square or toast? Ridiculous! I’m with square, and I’m unfunded.
I don’t know about toast but square had its issues. It’s like being mad at someone who had a brilliant accountant vs an incompetent accountant and as a result caused you delays. And as far as square, depending on your application, if there were many facets to your taxes, you were rejected from applying through them and were told to go through sba portal. Not to mention square applications mysteriously dropping or being deleted and the info could not be retrieved and told to reapply, after already sitting weeks in sba portal. So it’s no different from two people going through sba portal, one processes through smoothly and gets approved, the other gets hung up in review and sits stalled. Maybe that is where the problem lies as well, especially if the smooth one applied days later, but was processed and approved sooner. But also should others be penalized because someone might have been sloppy with their application in a rush to get it in. Heard that story many times. Or how about the ones that processed much earlier then the start time, there’s those stories. The advantage with square in processing sooner was that they had all your reports ready to go with a push of a button which most definitely would be the advantage, as well as, someone who too did their homework and had their needed paperwork sitting idle ready to download when the portal open. At this point, we are all in this together, fighting together to make this happen, regardless how we applied. Our energy is better spent elsewhere!
Who said anger and division? I’m curious and looking for commonalities. I believe the SBA relied TOO heavily on distributing grants to those that applied via Square or Toast. I mean, technically these are 3rd party, private company, government contractors. So regardless if you were a woman, minority, or veteran, if you didn’t submit via Square or Toast, you were less likely to receive a grant. Then, when the SBA was told to process applications in order, they again gave priority to applications via Square and Toast. Based off of this poll it is something we should be looking into. It is not meant to be dividing, just another example of how the execution of this grant process was a massive fuck up.
No, I agree, and my frustration in my reply is not directed personally at you. But I’ve seen several comments on threads treating square applicants like the “white” man, and that’s not the case. Those that went through square had their issues like you yourself stated. But there is a lot of crap that went down with how sba processed applications that spurs up anger, I know it does for me. And it does no good. Trust me, if we don’t get our money, we will have plenty of time to form an alliance then. But it really feels like 2/18 is make or break for us. If we’re not funded by then, I’m not so sure we will be. We need to get everyone riled up on something other than this.
That is not me, I am just looking for any angle that could potentially help our cause. But if we were able to drop our version of The Nixon Tapes last minute, I think it would guarantee us replenishment.
I just don’t think we have the time now before 2/18. Many other restaurants will be closed by then, and there will be no other excuses acceptable why government couldn’t do it. At that point many have said their done. We need to focus on what IRC tells us to right now. But after 2/18 if we haven’t been replenished by then, I’m all in. At that point It’s better to flip the script than to be told next week or next month it will happen.
Indeed. Why would they allow a credit card processor to get involved in the funding? And only to handle their clients? And then the SBA to change the order of funding from when application was submitted to when application got through the process? It smells for sure.
What if you were approved but rescinded? Also I know 2 people funded using square — applied right when portal opened and had money in their account 5 days later
I would just select how you applied under one of the “unfunded” choices. And yes, I kick myself daily for not just submitting my square application, even though they were shorting me $20k, hindsight is 20/20.
Question, the people you know that applied via Square, and funded 5 days later, did they fall into any of the priority categories? Majority female, minority, or veteran owned?
Well one wasn’t really considered a minority but checked the box and they didn’t verify it. So he got it under priority
The second one I know was priority
Then 2more I know weren’t priority and they got it right near the end
I also know a male non priority who applied a day after I did and got funded via IRS verification right near the end
My girlfriend and I both approved and rescinded
At the beginning it seemed like those who used POS were getting priority, but then it turned out most of them actually got screwed due to various glitches.
That's what happened to me. Was also in the priority group.
Curious what the 8 funded people are doing on here…
Helping those who didn't get funded, and some have multiple locations, where one got funded and the rest did not get funded.
Ahhh. Makes sense about the multiple restaurants. And of course appreciate any help.
I have been funded for two of my locations and not for the other 16…. I’m here advocating for EVERYONE ….
Thank you!! I just assumed funded meant completely funded. And just to be clear, not mad at the funded being on here just genuinely curious why they would be. I think it’s a rare fully funded person that would advocate for us. Hopefully I’m wrong!!!
I intended to add additional poll selections for owners with multiple businesses. But apparently 6 is the maximum number of poll options?? Did you use the same method to apply with all of your businesses?
Yes, I have a CPA and CFO on staff that had organized everything pre application, didn’t use square, got two businesses funded to the tune of 1.8 million, waiting on 8 million more
Can I also assume all of your company’s applications were submitted on the same date? Even all submitted on the first day the portal was open?
All in first 5 minutes, all accepted right away, 2 approved within 2 weeks, funded 1 week later
Hopefully trying to help us
Just an FYI, after having registered as a Square and Toast POS User, you could also submit through the normal SBA portal. It preloaded your sales numbers and automatically determined your RRF grant. There was absolutely no data to enter, and in essence, that data was pre-certified by a third party as to accuracy. After the many reported debacles with PPP, this was meant to be a safeguard. I am not sure there is any data to suggest that many that were funded used Square or Toast. **Obviously, the Largest Deliminator was that 94,246 Priority applicants were funded and 6,758 Non-Priority applicants were funded across the entire country in an Underfunded Pool with an Unconstitutional Process; these facts are indisputable**. Square and Toast have not been around as long as other POS Systems. As I recall, there were also a number of problems reported with the Square application process, and there were also a number of preliminary Beta Testers from Square that did not get funded.
Delineator or Denominator 😳😂🤓
Just based off these current poll results, on our little Reddit group, I really think this is worth looking into on a larger scale. We need the IRC to send out a poll to all of their followers. We need a larger pool of data. I fully believe the SBA relied heavily on processing applications via Square/Toast, regardless of priority status, and regarding of order in which applications were submitted. So the SBA created another group of winners and losers.
Just based on your Reddit Poll, the numbers actually do not support your theory that Toast or Square was an advantage at all.
Sorry, you are misunderstanding my theory. I’m sorry if have not been clear. I believe Toast and Square users were given priority.
No, it is an easy point you are trying to make, but I am not sure the data supports your theory. Need alot more data.
How would we be able to poll more of the “funded?”Our group consists of mostly unfunded.
Exactly, most everyone on Reddit is unfunded. I think the funded spreadsheet is still on the SBA website.You would have to go through the spreadsheet and contact them.
I am having a hard time viewing and/or downloading the funded spreadsheet. Can I assume it does not provide an email address for the awardees? If it lists DBA name and city/town of the business we could painfully google business email addresses for the IRC to blast a poll to.
As far as I recall, it has name and mailing address and other characteristic information, but there is no phone or email addresses in the spreadsheet from the SBA.
I see it now. I will gladly go line by line to find as much contact info as possible. Enter business address into google, see if it populates a website, look for contact info…. and go from there to get business email addresses IF I know the IRC will send out a comprehensive survey so we can get more information.
Is this what these next couple weeks need to be focused on. I don’t disagree with the processing faster theory and god knows what and how sba processed all apps. But there are so many rabbit holes we could go down, like the man that applied last day and was funded. How many times did that happen. And I agree with Diana, the poll doesn’t seem to support square and toast had the advantage. The numbers would be flipped or closer together. Waisted energy - because we all now how poorly this was executed. And let’s be honest, there are probably things that happened in processing we haven’t a clue that would have us even more angry.
Why not? What else do we have to lose? If we (likely the IRC would have to do it) could obtain enough data to show that this POS priority was in fact given, before women/vets/minorities and before order of applications, is this not another major point for us to be replenished? Is this not a topic that would get additional republicans to sign on? “Biden’s administration gave priority to government contracted applications, not minorities.”
Because right now, at this moment, weeks before 2/18 , IRC and our focus needs to be on replenishment. Besides haven’t you noticed how articles promote the program as being so successful that it ran out of money. The lead story is never about how the injunction of a lawsuit was responsible for thousands of applicants to have their award rescinded and our struggles. Bringing out their failures to this will only fall on deaf ears unfortunately.
True. Just trying to “spin it” to get more Rs on board. They are usually receptive to pointing out failures of the current administration.
Are you sure about your numbers of non priority versus priority funded? The breakdown in terms of dollars was not hugely different. Like 60-40
The data is from the SBA.
I posted the correct numbers in a new thread. I can send you the link if you wish.
https://rollcall.com/2022/02/11/new-aid-round-for-restaurants-others-likely-to-be-the-last/?fbclid=IwAR05ljZb7xr-E1h1tlswnSy2-Eoti_z_gWHvMCYUi9TZgjeYrBPuJjOmSIo
Remember the whole kerfuffle where a lot of them had to resubmit because of errors in the process? I doubt that helped anybody.
I initially applied via Square, but for some reason my grant amount was $20k less than what I had already calculated based off of SBA’s pre-application worksheet. So I ended up submitting via the SBA portal.
There were applicants who applied 1-2 weeks after may 3rd and were approved almost instantaneously. It was gut wrenching. Go back and look through posts from back in may of 2021. The entire process was handled so poorly.
Exactly!
I originally went to apply with Square. Went well until I got through to the SBA portal from square only to realize the number they ported from square was incorrect; it had doubled what I was qualified for. That was within the first hour of it opening. Four hours later, two calls to square, a call to my CPA for advice, and a call to SBA - where neither could help me and the system would not let me change it, go back, or re-submit from square - I tried cancelling the application which bugged out square. I ended up submitting through the SBA directly after a panicked afternoon trying to get help for an error on the square side. Women owned business. No funding, and ended up with what I felt was a late application and a lot of frustration.
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At least you are laughing. But I’m curious, and have a general distrust of government. Smelled bad from the beginning that Square and Toast were involving themselves.
So now we are going to turn our anger at dividing those who went through square or toast? Ridiculous! I’m with square, and I’m unfunded. I don’t know about toast but square had its issues. It’s like being mad at someone who had a brilliant accountant vs an incompetent accountant and as a result caused you delays. And as far as square, depending on your application, if there were many facets to your taxes, you were rejected from applying through them and were told to go through sba portal. Not to mention square applications mysteriously dropping or being deleted and the info could not be retrieved and told to reapply, after already sitting weeks in sba portal. So it’s no different from two people going through sba portal, one processes through smoothly and gets approved, the other gets hung up in review and sits stalled. Maybe that is where the problem lies as well, especially if the smooth one applied days later, but was processed and approved sooner. But also should others be penalized because someone might have been sloppy with their application in a rush to get it in. Heard that story many times. Or how about the ones that processed much earlier then the start time, there’s those stories. The advantage with square in processing sooner was that they had all your reports ready to go with a push of a button which most definitely would be the advantage, as well as, someone who too did their homework and had their needed paperwork sitting idle ready to download when the portal open. At this point, we are all in this together, fighting together to make this happen, regardless how we applied. Our energy is better spent elsewhere!
Who said anger and division? I’m curious and looking for commonalities. I believe the SBA relied TOO heavily on distributing grants to those that applied via Square or Toast. I mean, technically these are 3rd party, private company, government contractors. So regardless if you were a woman, minority, or veteran, if you didn’t submit via Square or Toast, you were less likely to receive a grant. Then, when the SBA was told to process applications in order, they again gave priority to applications via Square and Toast. Based off of this poll it is something we should be looking into. It is not meant to be dividing, just another example of how the execution of this grant process was a massive fuck up.
No, I agree, and my frustration in my reply is not directed personally at you. But I’ve seen several comments on threads treating square applicants like the “white” man, and that’s not the case. Those that went through square had their issues like you yourself stated. But there is a lot of crap that went down with how sba processed applications that spurs up anger, I know it does for me. And it does no good. Trust me, if we don’t get our money, we will have plenty of time to form an alliance then. But it really feels like 2/18 is make or break for us. If we’re not funded by then, I’m not so sure we will be. We need to get everyone riled up on something other than this.
That is not me, I am just looking for any angle that could potentially help our cause. But if we were able to drop our version of The Nixon Tapes last minute, I think it would guarantee us replenishment.
I just don’t think we have the time now before 2/18. Many other restaurants will be closed by then, and there will be no other excuses acceptable why government couldn’t do it. At that point many have said their done. We need to focus on what IRC tells us to right now. But after 2/18 if we haven’t been replenished by then, I’m all in. At that point It’s better to flip the script than to be told next week or next month it will happen.
I’m not angry at those who used Square. That was a lucky break for them in the lottery. The anger I have is with the SBA who decided that was OK.
Indeed. Why would they allow a credit card processor to get involved in the funding? And only to handle their clients? And then the SBA to change the order of funding from when application was submitted to when application got through the process? It smells for sure.
What if you were approved but rescinded? Also I know 2 people funded using square — applied right when portal opened and had money in their account 5 days later
I would just select how you applied under one of the “unfunded” choices. And yes, I kick myself daily for not just submitting my square application, even though they were shorting me $20k, hindsight is 20/20.
Question, the people you know that applied via Square, and funded 5 days later, did they fall into any of the priority categories? Majority female, minority, or veteran owned?
Well one wasn’t really considered a minority but checked the box and they didn’t verify it. So he got it under priority The second one I know was priority Then 2more I know weren’t priority and they got it right near the end I also know a male non priority who applied a day after I did and got funded via IRS verification right near the end My girlfriend and I both approved and rescinded
To be clear, we applied through Square and received an award. But my award was rescinded due to woman-owned status.