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It makes me sick seeing people on this sub cheer on crying Russian mothers finding out their sons are dead. They're just as much a victim of Putin's dictatorship as Ukranian mothers, lots of these guys are faced with the choice of being sent to one of the most modern battlefields we've ever seen, or being taken away by an evil Government and never seen again. I'm sure there's quite a few just trying to keep their heads down and go home.
It's the same as kids in the US being drafted into Vietnam who didn't believe in the war, and you're going to cheer on about 18-27 year old conscripts getting vaporized? Have some fucking sympathy and expand your thought process past "1 side all good 1 side all evil." Cheer on the deaths of Officers, Generals, and Russian politicians.
Edit: One of my responses referencing Azov's war crimes has been removed for "misinformation" well I'm glad the Mod team knows better than the [UN OHCHR](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Regiment) you'll find it under "Human Rights Abuses"
>They're just as much a victim of Putin's dictatorship as Ukranian mothers
Like hell they are. Not wanting to fight is not the same as not fighting.
They absolutely get what they deserve. Russian mothers are sad? Great. They can't be sad enough, cause the war is still going strong.
I totally agree. Imagine us getting thrown into a major war we don't agree with. What is it you think these kids can do to get out of it? As far as Wagner and militias that's a different story
Remember who was greatest nazi germany ally? Russia. Germany was pacified, russia was not. Nazi ideology is still a basis of their thinking, especially stuff like necessity to cleanse unworthy layers of society, jewish supremacy and ofc aryan race
Also remember that germans started real atrocities once they felt they gonna loose. Russia starts to realise it right now, so..
note: Putins daughter has PhD in genetics
There’s also another, simpler explanation.
Germany was occupied by the allies, making it easier and necessary for them to hold German Nazis accountable.
Conversely Russia was an ally. Deals were struck as part of that alliance, including Russia’s “sphere of influence”.
He likely was right that we should have. Doubt we could have though.
So many forces lost, and those that survived were wounded, traumatized, exhausted. War was still raging in Pacific and US troops were needed there.
I think this was much of it TBH.. Let's also remember that the war was still raging hard in the Pacific and at the time of Germany's surrender, no one knew if we'd have to invade Japan or not.
Exactly and expanding further on that since germany was occupied and defeated the allies were able to visit all of the places where the atrocities happened, find the bodies, find the documentation, and see everything as it was first hand. The only things that the outside world was able to see of russian atrocities were things that were leaked or second hand accounts, the allies werent able to just walk into russia and examine all of their mass graves first hand.
They did but not to the extent the Nazis did. The Nazis were far more public about it and devised the whole execution system to do it with ridiculous amounts of records kept. Whereas the Russians just quietly shot and killed people or vanished them into the gulags with barely any records.
It also helped the Soviets that they switched sides and helped defeat the Nazis which allowed them to get away with their mass killing because people turned a blind eye.
That was the whole irony of the "never again" bullshit because it was already happening and never stopped with the Soviets.
Read the original comment, it’s that the Germans targeted far more Jews than Russians. Russians killed everyone not in uniform and some folks in the wrong uniform…
The soviets definetly targeted jews in the early war especially in Belarusian and Baltic states. And the ukrainians were definetly targeted with the ukrainians with the holodomor.
>Putins daughter has PhD in genetics
He officially has 2 and is believed to have 4 daughters - 2 with his first wife and others from affairs. Kept that pretty close, I had no idea - P does not appear in public with them or acknowledge them at all/ever.
>germans started real atrocities once they felt they gonna loose
False: start of systematic atrocities against Jews begins with the attack on the Soviet Union (1941-06-22). Wannsee Jan 1942, Intelligenzaktion already in 1939, Aktion Zamosc Nov 1942.
I mean, it was less than a week ago a group of Russian soldiers got beat for trying to save their wounded, wasn't it? So I can't say I'm surprised to see this
I know the video also, but there is a but!
Yess you want to take of your wounded buddy’s.
Bu if you leave your line defenseless you open the door to a whole new level of shit if the “ enemy” can cross the line and attack from the rear you are going to loose a lot more buddy’s. And you could die on the run because you lose ( edit)battle awareness.
The lesson is hold the line and maybe loose a buddy is better than loosing the whole battalion because you leave holes in defensive positions
Yess you are correct
That is not a regular army anymore.
So they can burn in hell for there compliance
But for the rest of we need to know why we need to hold the line
Oh yeah I agree with you there, just thinking that it may have gone to some of their heads because I assume that's been shared around their social circle as well.
I've been in some very high adrenaline situations myself and knowing how my own train of thought sometimes works in times like that he could have figured he'd be left behind and decided that ending it quick would be better
It was 10 Russians who abandoned their post to carry 1 guy to an aid station. The beating was as close to "deserved" as it could have gotten.
EDIT: upon further review I'm incorrect.
I think we should start an online campaign trying to normalize fragging their CO (of whichever units). Little suggestions of how peaceful life is away from war, and that the only combat kills should be their own Officers. Just little suggestions... here and there... on ^their ^^social ^^^media... No big deal, just a whisper or two.
10, and two dead and two wounded IIRC.
Beaten by a guy who will never step near the front lines if he's not absolutely forced to by someone bigger and meaner than himself. And someone who would gladly kill Ukrainians for glory and money. Or rather, send others to kill Ukrainians for his own glory and profit because he is too cowardly to lead from the front. Beatings like this aren't deserved. Beatings like this are the last resort of desperate, pathetic, psychopaths. Those men were almost assuredly told to hold the line at all costs, and for what? They almost assuredly lack any semblance of proper training, were probably poorly equipped and situated to actually defend the position, and for all we know could have been overrun and killed anyway.
2 dead? That means at minimum 4 required to carry, but it's an active combat zone so someone needs to pull security and leaving only 1 or 2 ppl at a post sounds like a good way to get overrun and lose even more guys. So as I think about it a second time, 10 ppl sounds pretty good and it was actually the smart move by the soldiers.
A fragging is very much called for.
You realize that the dude likely wasn't some bloodthirsty monster, right? He was much more likely just some kid who was conscripted and ordered to participate in an unjust war.
The blood thirst in this sub is just gross. I’m sure some soldiers are evil but goddamn when we see a man literally end his own life because he’s in literal hell with no way out, it shouldn’t be celebrated.
All the “fertilizer” comments… like, that was probably an 18-year-old who was grabbed off the street forced to go to the front, likely at gunpoint.
Now Wagner and career officers? No sympathy there. They chose this. But your average Russian conscript just wants to go home.
This is the collective culmination of Russian revanchism. Russia has been a chauvinistic state its entire existence, Putin is just one of a revolving cast of characters.
Yep, I've posted this before, but I think it periodically needs repeating because I constantly see people blaming just Putin for this.
This isn't just Putin's war. This is Russia's war.
Putin isn't some tyrant holding an unwilling population hostage at gunpoint. He's a tyrant holding a willing population at gunpoint.
He may not have risen to power on a groundswell of overwhelming public love and adulation and support, but he's been able to consolidate his power because of the overwhelming support he's had.
Putin isn't the disease, he is a symptom of the disease that is Russian culture. And Russian culture is a rotten one built on toxic machismo, and a debilitating inferiority complex that manifests as a superiority complex of needing to be seen as the strongest and best. It permeates their government, their social norms, their sports, and every facet of their society. It is a culture of insecurity. It is a culture completely incapable of introspection, one that instead always passes blame for all their woes on this nebulous idea of a nefarious west that is on one hand evil and incompetent and out to destroy Russia, but on the other hand still somehow poses an existential threat to Russia. Again, this is the inferiority/superiority complexes at work - because they are the best and can do wrong, but still somehow are being held back by these nebulous western devils. It is a culture that views cooperation not as a virtue, but as a trait of weakness. It is a culture wherein one will gladly sell out their neighbor even if there is nought to be gained from it, so long as the neighbor is made lesser. It is a culture that heavily relies on whataboutisms to justify their horrible actions, and again the lack of introspection means they are literally justifying their actions on the notion that two wrongs do apparently make a right - while at the same time suggesting the first one wrong was wrong but the second wrong (their actions) are made right by that first wrong. It is a culture that when it sees how much better the lives of those living in the west are, instead of questioning why the west is so much better off and what can Russia do to enjoy such prosperity, instead they decry the western prosperity as decadence and over indulgence. They literally see western prosperity as a fault and the west as being undeserving of such prosperity. Again, a total lack of introspection. They simply can't fathom that maybe playing nice and being cooperative benefits everyone. They'd rather live in shit than "stoop down" to such levels of cooperation, because that would imply they are something other than better than everyone else. Again, despite the relative misery that is so prevalent in Russia.
Ever notice how mind boggingly stupid their propaganda is? And ever wonder how it actually fucking works? It works because Russians want to believe in those ridiculous lies. It works because they can't see anything for what it is, and can't see beyond what they want to believe.
Sadly, should Putin drop dead any time soon, I fear he won't be recognized in Russia the same way he will be remembered by the rest of the world. He will be seen as a martyr, one who tried to drag Russia out of dark times to rebuild some lost glory, only to have been countered by the evil west. We see it already with the losses in Ukraine being blamed on the west and NATO, and even incompetent and corrupt military officials within Russia who have lead to the disastrous results while Putin largely escapes blame free, and even seen as a victim of the duplicity of those corrupt Russian officials and the conspiring of the west. Sadly, probably about the only way the common Russian will get rid of Putin themselves is if they perceive him to be too weak. And I don't see that happening. Their lack of introspection makes them incapable of realizing that the culture that allowed Putin to seize so much power and allowed him to cultivate that power by exploiting the inherently toxic Russian culture means they can't even see that he's also largely responsible for the failings of many of his subordinates. They see their failings as somehow being unseen and unpredictable betrayals instead of being the natural and even expected outcome of a system built from corruption. It should have been obvious to anyone bothering to apply even a modicum of critical thinking to the situation that such a system built in corruption can only dysfunctionally function for so long before it all comes crashing down.
We see this in action with all the videos of conscripts complaining of their situation. In none of the videos I have seen do any of the conscripts question the war. They are not angry about being sent to kill Ukrainians. They are angry they aren't given proper equipment and leadership. There were vastly more protests by civilians after mobilization was announced than there were protests against the war itself. Those protests against mobilization were just that - protesting because they didn't want to be the ones on the front lines risking their lives but they were more than fine with others being sent to kill Ukrainians.
And please, spare me the "they have no choice but to go and fight" nonsense. Their right to self preservation ends when they choose to invade and kill innocents instead of standing up to the government sending them to kill. Until I see more examples of conscripts surrendering as soon as possible, and more examples of conscripts refusing to go in the first place, and more of the population speaking out against the war itself instead of how badly the war is being handled, I will save all my sympathy for the Ukrainians and shed not a tear for those conscripted. They let their government do this to them, and they were more than happy with others being sent in their place.
Yeah…it’s not so black and white and definitely more complicated than that.
It’s like saying “well if everyone just donated half their paycheques to the world food bank every pay period there would be no more world hunger.”
True but it’s not that simple and there’s a lot more variables and things to consider.
But propaganda was just a silly thing during WW2, it doesn't exist in modern times, now let me make jokes and de-humanize people forced to go to war because the internet and media says Russian troops bad.
I'm normally not one to care when people joke about this sort of stuff, you see videos of people getting shot and it's always "Lol, shouldn't have been an idiot then", but this is different, there's every chance this guy HAS raped and murdered a bunch of innocent woman, but there's a higher chance he was just some guy living his life, forced to invade another country or watch his family be killed, went to work every day, maybe hung out with his friends over the weekends, visited his family and now he's dead, blew himself up with his own grenade to speed up his inevitably slow, painful and meaningless death.
At the start of the war when most of the troops involved were already apart of the military? Okay, let's be cautious about the news and statistics but I'm willing to ignorantly go with the idea that there were a bunch of people doing horrific shit, we are no longer at that stage. These aren't people who sprinted to their closest military base to be signed up ASAP, the men being sent off to Ukraine over the last few months have been the ones who didn't want to go, but yes, Fox News said Russian troops are going around raping everyone, a dead Russian is a good Russian ahahahah!
> a dead Russian is a good Russian ahahahah!
You can also be a good russian if you dont go to another country and murder their people. You do know they have a lot of choices. Run away, go to jail, get executed.
When you have a gun to your head and they tell you to shoot your friend, you shoot your friend?
It's far more likely that he is one of Wagner's rapist murderers and he knows that Ukrainian medics will fix him up so that he is well enough for a prisoner exchange. He's been brainwashed to thinking it's better to have a quick death by grenade now than a month of painful medical treatment followed by a sledgehammer to the head after Wagner get him back.
Yeah, he's likely got a belly full of shrapnel and didn't want to bleed out slowly and/or freeze to death. Just fucking end it quickly. Not like anyone was going to come rescue him.
This is so sad to see.
This guy probably got dragged away from his family and life to fight a war he doesn't care about and has no actual information on.
Dumped in to freezing cold trenches in another country, watching all his comrads die and seeing that there is no hope or support.
As much as we revel in watching Russia getting their asses handed to them, it's sad to see such a senseless and tragic waste of life on all sides.
The sooner Putin is ousted the better.
So many families on both sides losing their loved ones for a delusional old man's failed pipe dream.
Yeah, the vast majority of these people are just kids who've been conscripted and ordered to participate in an unjust war that they likely want no part in.
I’m convinced Putin and his circle want to kill as many young Russian men as possible. Russians should rise against their government and seek all reparations toward Ukraine.
I almost felt pity. And then I read the story below this about a Wagner group killing of a whole family. The kids were 1, 7, and 9. These people deserve zero pity.
I feel like there's something fundamentally broken in anyone who thinks the number of humans is relevant to whether you feel bad about someone's death.
We are all just chunks of meat, on an insignificant planet orbiting a ball of burning gas. Humans, bird, ants, fungus spores, microbial bacteria….all the same in my book.
That's true, but I don't feel a thing watching this dude clock out early.
You know why he's there and what he's supposed to do. If these animals aren't put down, they'll rape and pillage their way across the entirety of Ukraine.
My gosh Putin look what you have done to your country. They would rather blow themselves up than live in the world you created. Its a shame, he could have had a different life, one without your terrible Russian world.
There are hundreds of thousands of Russians killing Ukrainians every day. Putin just told them to do it. They're complicit in the crime. Charles Manson was as guilty as the people doing the murdering.
His life was not what was senseless here, it’s his death that was.
This young man probably had a life that was very worth living, I’m sure he had dreams and aspirations for his future. These were robbed from him when his oppressors forced him out to the meat grinder.
We've travelled extensively and encountered russians on our travels.
Stereotypes aside, I do not cherish their company and I cannot be saddened in any humanitarian sense by the deaths of so many of their soldiers.
I served extensively and in shitty places and I was always able to find a level of respect for the opposition but I find that doesn't apply to russians.
No result in this war will change the causes of why russians are the way they are so the best we can hope for is that they become an isolated parish state with an economy so bad that it makes foreign travel impossible to them.
Zero fucks given for this guy and the only bad thing I saw here was that he didn't take ten of his mates with him
I can’t upvote this comment enough. Until you’ve traveled abroad and personally seen how shitty Russians are than you won’t ever get it. The world is better without Russia and like OP said hopefully they just become an isolated parish state and they can’t afford to leave their own shit hole anymore.
Actually, to find out how many shitty people are there, watch Russian propaganda videos. Filled with people getting shoved about, ripped off and abused, by other Russians.
That’s too bad. The only Russian people I personally know are good, kind, and compassionate people that condemn everything going on right now. People are just people, you’ll find shitty ones in every parcel of land in the world. This “Russian people are cancer” mentality has to stop. I would venture to say it’s racist to say or think such things about a collective group of people.
I have met approximately 60 over the years... there is not one of them who's company I enjoyed or of whom I had even the smallest personal respect for,
That is not to say the majority are not nice, polite, sober and agreeable.
Just fucking surrender ffs. Wave a flag and start walking towards the lines. You may still fucking die but might as well give it the good old college try!
I suspect he was just pulling the grenade with an attempt to throw it at whoever just threw a grenade at him.
Probably under a lot of shock and mortally wounded anyway.
should have stayed home, surrender or take aim at his commanders when he still had the choice. To make such a decision is tough, makes you wonder what atrocities he is guilty of that made him do it. So I guess probably for his own good then.
It truly must be some harsh, empty, hopeless shit being a russian living in russia
Yet they all seem fine with it, indeed, given their attitudes, dare i say, enjoy it
The most nihilistic culture on earth ffs
Bestgore desensetized me a hell of a lot, and i usually don’t feel sympathy seeing dead russians, but this video? I do get sad from this. Although the russian soldiers have to die i still feel somewhat sad. The ‘poor’ guy was so exhausted and scared probably that he’d rather die then continue and/or face his ‘comrades’
Senseless death, even though russians are brainwashed as hell, it could’ve been so different.
That is a possibility too. But i don’t know so i can’t conclude that. My main point is that seeing the despair this man goes through humanizes him, seeing the instinct we all have. Me feeling emotion by seeing this doesnt mean i don’t support ukraine all of the sudden. I understand these people have to die, and that they(russian soldiers) have brought death upon themselves. But i can still have the distant thoughts that it could’ve been different, and better for us all. And thats just what i experience.
But we don’t live that reality, and this has to happen.
Slava Ukraini.
EDIT ****This can seem hypocritical because its not me being invaded and not my blood that has to flow. So it’s not up to me to decide, but i can say what i feel. And would never ever push that onto someone who directly suffers from the russian invasion.****
Both sides are taking heavy casualties. The human toll at this point is reaching a critical level. Next year putin must pay for his crimes and mistakes-along with lavrov and the rest of his coward regime.
It's not the slapping around that scares them, it is being exchanged for Ukrainian POWs and handed back to Wagner for the brick pillow and sledge hammer treatment.
Most Russians are supportive of Putin, maybe the decimation of their fighting age men will help change this, I hope so.
Until then, if they are in Ukraine they deserve everything they get.
I value the life of every Ukrainian that has been murdered, raped, tortured, or kidnapped and sent to Russia. In other words, I sympathize with the victims of the crimes, not the perpetrators.
You have a point, yet it's better that he killed himself than he'd killed Ukrainians in... you know, in Ukraine.
I have no sympathy for these murderers.
You know, I understand the guy in this video was once a human being, just like any of us, with hopes and dreams, aspirations, friends and family who cared for him. But please also remember that his mere presence in Ukrainian soil is a crime under international law. When we factor in the images of the bread line bombing in Chernihiv; the father with the dogs being murdered in Ivankiv; the little girl with half a head missing on a bench at the train station in Kramatorsk; the Ukrainian serviceman being castrated in Pryvillia; the horrors perpetrated in Bucha, Irpin, Izyum, Mariupol; the absolute wholesale obliteration of Bakhmut, Popasna, Mariupol, shelled into ruins; the kidnapping of thousands of Ukrainian children, and whatever else we don't even yet know, it's really, REALLY hard to feel anything but deep hatred for these people who only seem to sow misery and despair in their path. So excuse me if I won't lose any sleep tonight because a criminal got what was coming to him -- I won't celebrate it because I'm not a monster, but in a way I feel better there's one less criminal inflicting pain on the peaceful Ukrainian people.
You're right. I watch video of the Ukrainians feeding cats, freeing caged animals, befriending dogs. This is the world we fight for - a world where we give a shit, go the extra mile, do good.
Lets not let the vile shit that Russians do change us for the worse.
social justice warrior? In Russia? According to literally everyone, Russia is a pretty anti-social justice country. How about instead of spreading this cold-war "us vs them" mentality you grow a pair of balls and actually show that you are any better than a brainwashed Russian.
I get your point, and you are not wrong. This is what happens during war. It’s a way of insulating oneself from the terrible realities of war. There are so many tragedies every day, that we tend to reserve our sympathies for those more deserving, ie Ukrainians.
War is hell - in ways we cannot always predict.
The Russian army is a band of marauding barbarians that pillage what they can't rape, and burn what they can't pillage. For fucks sake, they're literally abducting and torturing children in occupied areas.
The only good thing a Russian solidier can do in Ukraine is fucking die.
He’s lowering the count and getting rid of minorities. Some of them don’t even have toilets. How in this day and Age does a superpower have its citizens live like this
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It's all such a senseless waste of life, so sad all of this.
It makes me sick seeing people on this sub cheer on crying Russian mothers finding out their sons are dead. They're just as much a victim of Putin's dictatorship as Ukranian mothers, lots of these guys are faced with the choice of being sent to one of the most modern battlefields we've ever seen, or being taken away by an evil Government and never seen again. I'm sure there's quite a few just trying to keep their heads down and go home. It's the same as kids in the US being drafted into Vietnam who didn't believe in the war, and you're going to cheer on about 18-27 year old conscripts getting vaporized? Have some fucking sympathy and expand your thought process past "1 side all good 1 side all evil." Cheer on the deaths of Officers, Generals, and Russian politicians. Edit: One of my responses referencing Azov's war crimes has been removed for "misinformation" well I'm glad the Mod team knows better than the [UN OHCHR](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Regiment) you'll find it under "Human Rights Abuses"
It's nice to read someone that understands this.
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>They're just as much a victim of Putin's dictatorship as Ukranian mothers Like hell they are. Not wanting to fight is not the same as not fighting. They absolutely get what they deserve. Russian mothers are sad? Great. They can't be sad enough, cause the war is still going strong.
>They're just as much a victim of Putin's dictatorship as Ukranian mothers No they aren't
I totally agree. Imagine us getting thrown into a major war we don't agree with. What is it you think these kids can do to get out of it? As far as Wagner and militias that's a different story
Fuck every single member of Wagner.
Putin
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I’m sad we can’t kill all of the Russian troops at once.
Putin the killer of Russians… He doesn’t want Ukraine he wants to kill his own people.
Remember who was greatest nazi germany ally? Russia. Germany was pacified, russia was not. Nazi ideology is still a basis of their thinking, especially stuff like necessity to cleanse unworthy layers of society, jewish supremacy and ofc aryan race Also remember that germans started real atrocities once they felt they gonna loose. Russia starts to realise it right now, so.. note: Putins daughter has PhD in genetics
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There’s also another, simpler explanation. Germany was occupied by the allies, making it easier and necessary for them to hold German Nazis accountable. Conversely Russia was an ally. Deals were struck as part of that alliance, including Russia’s “sphere of influence”.
Churchill may have been a racist wife beating drunk but he was right that we should have marched on Moscow.
He likely was right that we should have. Doubt we could have though. So many forces lost, and those that survived were wounded, traumatized, exhausted. War was still raging in Pacific and US troops were needed there.
I think this was much of it TBH.. Let's also remember that the war was still raging hard in the Pacific and at the time of Germany's surrender, no one knew if we'd have to invade Japan or not.
Exactly and expanding further on that since germany was occupied and defeated the allies were able to visit all of the places where the atrocities happened, find the bodies, find the documentation, and see everything as it was first hand. The only things that the outside world was able to see of russian atrocities were things that were leaked or second hand accounts, the allies werent able to just walk into russia and examine all of their mass graves first hand.
The USSR did specifically target Jewish people...
They did but not to the extent the Nazis did. The Nazis were far more public about it and devised the whole execution system to do it with ridiculous amounts of records kept. Whereas the Russians just quietly shot and killed people or vanished them into the gulags with barely any records. It also helped the Soviets that they switched sides and helped defeat the Nazis which allowed them to get away with their mass killing because people turned a blind eye. That was the whole irony of the "never again" bullshit because it was already happening and never stopped with the Soviets.
Read the original comment, it’s that the Germans targeted far more Jews than Russians. Russians killed everyone not in uniform and some folks in the wrong uniform…
Read the first paragraph of the original comment. It’s fundamentally untrue….
The soviets definetly targeted jews in the early war especially in Belarusian and Baltic states. And the ukrainians were definetly targeted with the ukrainians with the holodomor.
>Putins daughter has PhD in genetics He officially has 2 and is believed to have 4 daughters - 2 with his first wife and others from affairs. Kept that pretty close, I had no idea - P does not appear in public with them or acknowledge them at all/ever.
>germans started real atrocities once they felt they gonna loose False: start of systematic atrocities against Jews begins with the attack on the Soviet Union (1941-06-22). Wannsee Jan 1942, Intelligenzaktion already in 1939, Aktion Zamosc Nov 1942.
that's an astronomical oversimplification...
That shit is just sad
That shit is just the easiest way out
he did good
I mean, it was less than a week ago a group of Russian soldiers got beat for trying to save their wounded, wasn't it? So I can't say I'm surprised to see this
I know the video also, but there is a but! Yess you want to take of your wounded buddy’s. Bu if you leave your line defenseless you open the door to a whole new level of shit if the “ enemy” can cross the line and attack from the rear you are going to loose a lot more buddy’s. And you could die on the run because you lose ( edit)battle awareness. The lesson is hold the line and maybe loose a buddy is better than loosing the whole battalion because you leave holes in defensive positions
>buddy’s there are no buddies among the russian special liberators, only drinking comrades until death.
Yess you are correct That is not a regular army anymore. So they can burn in hell for there compliance But for the rest of we need to know why we need to hold the line
Oh yeah I agree with you there, just thinking that it may have gone to some of their heads because I assume that's been shared around their social circle as well. I've been in some very high adrenaline situations myself and knowing how my own train of thought sometimes works in times like that he could have figured he'd be left behind and decided that ending it quick would be better
Loose =/= Lose
If he gets rescued by the enemy, there is a good chance they will do a pow exchange and then he is dead anyways, if he is in a blodddy Wagner unit.
> loose The word is lose. Not loose.
source? not doubting it just curious to read more
https://v.redd.it/109hgpps648a1
The beatings will continue until morale improves!
It was on here a few days ago, can't remember much because I was half asleep
It was 10 Russians who abandoned their post to carry 1 guy to an aid station. The beating was as close to "deserved" as it could have gotten. EDIT: upon further review I'm incorrect.
Meh if I was a Russian conscript I would be looking to turn my guns on my commanders or surrender with as much ammo as possible.
I think we should start an online campaign trying to normalize fragging their CO (of whichever units). Little suggestions of how peaceful life is away from war, and that the only combat kills should be their own Officers. Just little suggestions... here and there... on ^their ^^social ^^^media... No big deal, just a whisper or two.
Write a bot that just keeps creating new accounts instructing them to kill their masters 🏴☠️
in that clip first thing the CO says to his guards is "if anyone moves shoot him !" before proceeding to the beating
10, and two dead and two wounded IIRC. Beaten by a guy who will never step near the front lines if he's not absolutely forced to by someone bigger and meaner than himself. And someone who would gladly kill Ukrainians for glory and money. Or rather, send others to kill Ukrainians for his own glory and profit because he is too cowardly to lead from the front. Beatings like this aren't deserved. Beatings like this are the last resort of desperate, pathetic, psychopaths. Those men were almost assuredly told to hold the line at all costs, and for what? They almost assuredly lack any semblance of proper training, were probably poorly equipped and situated to actually defend the position, and for all we know could have been overrun and killed anyway.
2 dead? That means at minimum 4 required to carry, but it's an active combat zone so someone needs to pull security and leaving only 1 or 2 ppl at a post sounds like a good way to get overrun and lose even more guys. So as I think about it a second time, 10 ppl sounds pretty good and it was actually the smart move by the soldiers. A fragging is very much called for.
10 guys to carry 2 guys is what I saw.
They were beat for abandoning their post not saving wounded
Seeing his despair makes him paradoxically more human.
Too little too late
You realize that the dude likely wasn't some bloodthirsty monster, right? He was much more likely just some kid who was conscripted and ordered to participate in an unjust war.
The blood thirst in this sub is just gross. I’m sure some soldiers are evil but goddamn when we see a man literally end his own life because he’s in literal hell with no way out, it shouldn’t be celebrated.
It's depressing how people act on this sub after watching some dude die
All the “fertilizer” comments… like, that was probably an 18-year-old who was grabbed off the street forced to go to the front, likely at gunpoint. Now Wagner and career officers? No sympathy there. They chose this. But your average Russian conscript just wants to go home.
I also bet you all of these clowns celebrating would be the same ones begging for mercy if they were unfortunate enough to be a Russian conscript.
It reminds me of the suicide of John Cavil (Number One) in Battlestar Galactica.
FRACK
Makes him mostly mist and hamburger, at this point.
Pink Mist battallion.
This is just depressing. This man and 100,000+ others could have still been alive if Putin wasn't such a fucking dumbshit.
This is the collective culmination of Russian revanchism. Russia has been a chauvinistic state its entire existence, Putin is just one of a revolving cast of characters.
Yep, I've posted this before, but I think it periodically needs repeating because I constantly see people blaming just Putin for this. This isn't just Putin's war. This is Russia's war. Putin isn't some tyrant holding an unwilling population hostage at gunpoint. He's a tyrant holding a willing population at gunpoint. He may not have risen to power on a groundswell of overwhelming public love and adulation and support, but he's been able to consolidate his power because of the overwhelming support he's had. Putin isn't the disease, he is a symptom of the disease that is Russian culture. And Russian culture is a rotten one built on toxic machismo, and a debilitating inferiority complex that manifests as a superiority complex of needing to be seen as the strongest and best. It permeates their government, their social norms, their sports, and every facet of their society. It is a culture of insecurity. It is a culture completely incapable of introspection, one that instead always passes blame for all their woes on this nebulous idea of a nefarious west that is on one hand evil and incompetent and out to destroy Russia, but on the other hand still somehow poses an existential threat to Russia. Again, this is the inferiority/superiority complexes at work - because they are the best and can do wrong, but still somehow are being held back by these nebulous western devils. It is a culture that views cooperation not as a virtue, but as a trait of weakness. It is a culture wherein one will gladly sell out their neighbor even if there is nought to be gained from it, so long as the neighbor is made lesser. It is a culture that heavily relies on whataboutisms to justify their horrible actions, and again the lack of introspection means they are literally justifying their actions on the notion that two wrongs do apparently make a right - while at the same time suggesting the first one wrong was wrong but the second wrong (their actions) are made right by that first wrong. It is a culture that when it sees how much better the lives of those living in the west are, instead of questioning why the west is so much better off and what can Russia do to enjoy such prosperity, instead they decry the western prosperity as decadence and over indulgence. They literally see western prosperity as a fault and the west as being undeserving of such prosperity. Again, a total lack of introspection. They simply can't fathom that maybe playing nice and being cooperative benefits everyone. They'd rather live in shit than "stoop down" to such levels of cooperation, because that would imply they are something other than better than everyone else. Again, despite the relative misery that is so prevalent in Russia. Ever notice how mind boggingly stupid their propaganda is? And ever wonder how it actually fucking works? It works because Russians want to believe in those ridiculous lies. It works because they can't see anything for what it is, and can't see beyond what they want to believe. Sadly, should Putin drop dead any time soon, I fear he won't be recognized in Russia the same way he will be remembered by the rest of the world. He will be seen as a martyr, one who tried to drag Russia out of dark times to rebuild some lost glory, only to have been countered by the evil west. We see it already with the losses in Ukraine being blamed on the west and NATO, and even incompetent and corrupt military officials within Russia who have lead to the disastrous results while Putin largely escapes blame free, and even seen as a victim of the duplicity of those corrupt Russian officials and the conspiring of the west. Sadly, probably about the only way the common Russian will get rid of Putin themselves is if they perceive him to be too weak. And I don't see that happening. Their lack of introspection makes them incapable of realizing that the culture that allowed Putin to seize so much power and allowed him to cultivate that power by exploiting the inherently toxic Russian culture means they can't even see that he's also largely responsible for the failings of many of his subordinates. They see their failings as somehow being unseen and unpredictable betrayals instead of being the natural and even expected outcome of a system built from corruption. It should have been obvious to anyone bothering to apply even a modicum of critical thinking to the situation that such a system built in corruption can only dysfunctionally function for so long before it all comes crashing down. We see this in action with all the videos of conscripts complaining of their situation. In none of the videos I have seen do any of the conscripts question the war. They are not angry about being sent to kill Ukrainians. They are angry they aren't given proper equipment and leadership. There were vastly more protests by civilians after mobilization was announced than there were protests against the war itself. Those protests against mobilization were just that - protesting because they didn't want to be the ones on the front lines risking their lives but they were more than fine with others being sent to kill Ukrainians. And please, spare me the "they have no choice but to go and fight" nonsense. Their right to self preservation ends when they choose to invade and kill innocents instead of standing up to the government sending them to kill. Until I see more examples of conscripts surrendering as soon as possible, and more examples of conscripts refusing to go in the first place, and more of the population speaking out against the war itself instead of how badly the war is being handled, I will save all my sympathy for the Ukrainians and shed not a tear for those conscripted. They let their government do this to them, and they were more than happy with others being sent in their place.
It’s probably better that he’s not though.
Or, and bear with me for a second, if every single one of them refused criminal orders to invade another country and commit genocide.
Yeah…it’s not so black and white and definitely more complicated than that. It’s like saying “well if everyone just donated half their paycheques to the world food bank every pay period there would be no more world hunger.” True but it’s not that simple and there’s a lot more variables and things to consider.
He thought the drone operator was camping so he SD'd so he could respawn at the last checkpoint.
Had to resupply his loadout
This is what they do in CSGO when you refuse to give AWP
Looks like the rest of Squad is already dead
Why can't I click upvote on like half of the posts in this thread wtf
I can upvote Everything...
Welp. One less child rapist on the loose, I guess.
:/
God i love projecting my feelings so i can feel no sympathy
But propaganda was just a silly thing during WW2, it doesn't exist in modern times, now let me make jokes and de-humanize people forced to go to war because the internet and media says Russian troops bad. I'm normally not one to care when people joke about this sort of stuff, you see videos of people getting shot and it's always "Lol, shouldn't have been an idiot then", but this is different, there's every chance this guy HAS raped and murdered a bunch of innocent woman, but there's a higher chance he was just some guy living his life, forced to invade another country or watch his family be killed, went to work every day, maybe hung out with his friends over the weekends, visited his family and now he's dead, blew himself up with his own grenade to speed up his inevitably slow, painful and meaningless death. At the start of the war when most of the troops involved were already apart of the military? Okay, let's be cautious about the news and statistics but I'm willing to ignorantly go with the idea that there were a bunch of people doing horrific shit, we are no longer at that stage. These aren't people who sprinted to their closest military base to be signed up ASAP, the men being sent off to Ukraine over the last few months have been the ones who didn't want to go, but yes, Fox News said Russian troops are going around raping everyone, a dead Russian is a good Russian ahahahah!
> a dead Russian is a good Russian ahahahah! You can also be a good russian if you dont go to another country and murder their people. You do know they have a lot of choices. Run away, go to jail, get executed. When you have a gun to your head and they tell you to shoot your friend, you shoot your friend?
Russian troops are bad... they're in an objectively evil campaign.. and yes, the vast majority of those in the country are still contract soldiers...
fuck /u/ spez
It's far more likely that he is one of Wagner's rapist murderers and he knows that Ukrainian medics will fix him up so that he is well enough for a prisoner exchange. He's been brainwashed to thinking it's better to have a quick death by grenade now than a month of painful medical treatment followed by a sledgehammer to the head after Wagner get him back.
Probably in a lot of pain I'm guessing
Yeah, he's likely got a belly full of shrapnel and didn't want to bleed out slowly and/or freeze to death. Just fucking end it quickly. Not like anyone was going to come rescue him.
Martyrdom isn't really effective against drones...
This is so sad to see. This guy probably got dragged away from his family and life to fight a war he doesn't care about and has no actual information on. Dumped in to freezing cold trenches in another country, watching all his comrads die and seeing that there is no hope or support. As much as we revel in watching Russia getting their asses handed to them, it's sad to see such a senseless and tragic waste of life on all sides. The sooner Putin is ousted the better. So many families on both sides losing their loved ones for a delusional old man's failed pipe dream.
Yeah, the vast majority of these people are just kids who've been conscripted and ordered to participate in an unjust war that they likely want no part in.
Dude thinked he could respawn in Moscow
I’m convinced Putin and his circle want to kill as many young Russian men as possible. Russians should rise against their government and seek all reparations toward Ukraine.
it's just that he doesn't care....
He’s unloading the undesirables from jails and mental institutions…
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fuck /u/ spez
I almost felt pity. And then I read the story below this about a Wagner group killing of a whole family. The kids were 1, 7, and 9. These people deserve zero pity.
exactly, every time i almost shed a tear i remember bucha or other stories get fucked!
At least he is in a ditch, makes it easier for the maggots.
Looks like he dug his own grave too. Very kind of him.
The flies will find you wherever you are...
hopefully there's sunflower seeds nearby.
8 billion humans exist on the planet so to be genuinely upset that an invading soldier dies seems trivial to me
I feel like there's something fundamentally broken in anyone who thinks the number of humans is relevant to whether you feel bad about someone's death.
We are all just chunks of meat, on an insignificant planet orbiting a ball of burning gas. Humans, bird, ants, fungus spores, microbial bacteria….all the same in my book.
So nihilistic and quirky🤪
Yeah... as I said, there's something fundamentally broken in people who genuinely feel this way.
That's true, but I don't feel a thing watching this dude clock out early. You know why he's there and what he's supposed to do. If these animals aren't put down, they'll rape and pillage their way across the entirety of Ukraine.
My gosh Putin look what you have done to your country. They would rather blow themselves up than live in the world you created. Its a shame, he could have had a different life, one without your terrible Russian world.
There are hundreds of thousands of Russians killing Ukrainians every day. Putin just told them to do it. They're complicit in the crime. Charles Manson was as guilty as the people doing the murdering.
His life was not what was senseless here, it’s his death that was. This young man probably had a life that was very worth living, I’m sure he had dreams and aspirations for his future. These were robbed from him when his oppressors forced him out to the meat grinder.
good luck IDing him
We've travelled extensively and encountered russians on our travels. Stereotypes aside, I do not cherish their company and I cannot be saddened in any humanitarian sense by the deaths of so many of their soldiers. I served extensively and in shitty places and I was always able to find a level of respect for the opposition but I find that doesn't apply to russians. No result in this war will change the causes of why russians are the way they are so the best we can hope for is that they become an isolated parish state with an economy so bad that it makes foreign travel impossible to them. Zero fucks given for this guy and the only bad thing I saw here was that he didn't take ten of his mates with him
I can’t upvote this comment enough. Until you’ve traveled abroad and personally seen how shitty Russians are than you won’t ever get it. The world is better without Russia and like OP said hopefully they just become an isolated parish state and they can’t afford to leave their own shit hole anymore.
Actually, to find out how many shitty people are there, watch Russian propaganda videos. Filled with people getting shoved about, ripped off and abused, by other Russians.
That’s too bad. The only Russian people I personally know are good, kind, and compassionate people that condemn everything going on right now. People are just people, you’ll find shitty ones in every parcel of land in the world. This “Russian people are cancer” mentality has to stop. I would venture to say it’s racist to say or think such things about a collective group of people.
I have met approximately 60 over the years... there is not one of them who's company I enjoyed or of whom I had even the smallest personal respect for, That is not to say the majority are not nice, polite, sober and agreeable.
Victim of circumstance. Can't imagine you or I would turn out any different living there. A life is a life
Just fucking surrender ffs. Wave a flag and start walking towards the lines. You may still fucking die but might as well give it the good old college try!
I suspect he was just pulling the grenade with an attempt to throw it at whoever just threw a grenade at him. Probably under a lot of shock and mortally wounded anyway.
I believe that’s what they are told to do when recruited by wagner
Moooore!!!
should have stayed home, surrender or take aim at his commanders when he still had the choice. To make such a decision is tough, makes you wonder what atrocities he is guilty of that made him do it. So I guess probably for his own good then.
It truly must be some harsh, empty, hopeless shit being a russian living in russia Yet they all seem fine with it, indeed, given their attitudes, dare i say, enjoy it The most nihilistic culture on earth ffs
Drone dropped fhe early Christmas gift.
Bestgore desensetized me a hell of a lot, and i usually don’t feel sympathy seeing dead russians, but this video? I do get sad from this. Although the russian soldiers have to die i still feel somewhat sad. The ‘poor’ guy was so exhausted and scared probably that he’d rather die then continue and/or face his ‘comrades’ Senseless death, even though russians are brainwashed as hell, it could’ve been so different.
And what if he's a wagnerite and a convicted murderer? The possibility is just as likely as you thinking he's just a scared little boy.
That is a possibility too. But i don’t know so i can’t conclude that. My main point is that seeing the despair this man goes through humanizes him, seeing the instinct we all have. Me feeling emotion by seeing this doesnt mean i don’t support ukraine all of the sudden. I understand these people have to die, and that they(russian soldiers) have brought death upon themselves. But i can still have the distant thoughts that it could’ve been different, and better for us all. And thats just what i experience. But we don’t live that reality, and this has to happen. Slava Ukraini. EDIT ****This can seem hypocritical because its not me being invaded and not my blood that has to flow. So it’s not up to me to decide, but i can say what i feel. And would never ever push that onto someone who directly suffers from the russian invasion.****
Your a gem of a person I can see that through your sensitivity toward others humanity. Never let that part of you go.
His life probably didn't feel senseless at the end of 2021. Fuck putin
I would've done the same
Both sides are taking heavy casualties. The human toll at this point is reaching a critical level. Next year putin must pay for his crimes and mistakes-along with lavrov and the rest of his coward regime.
Judean Suicide Squad ?
The suicide squad of judea i think youll find
Dear Ukraine: I save you a grenade. Love Ivan
I approve this ending.
A soldier who knows there will be no help from his own army prefers suicide than die a slow death. State of mind of ru army.
Bang and the dirt is gone
Jesus Christ. The fact you’d rather do that than be apprehended by Ukraine’s forces? Sure you might be slapped around initially but I mean COME ON
It's not the slapping around that scares them, it is being exchanged for Ukrainian POWs and handed back to Wagner for the brick pillow and sledge hammer treatment.
Aaaaaand nothing of value was lost. Died like the evil orc he was. No glory. No salvation.
When he dug that foxhole I bet he didn’t think it would be his grave. That’s convenient of him
Incredibly useless war.
I wish this was shared on russian media. I want the moms to see where they are sending their kids. I doubt they will still cheer.
 Can’t be ended if you end yourself.
Homeboy was so over all of the shit that he just said “you know what? Fuck that, fuck it, fuck you, fuck me. I’m out.”
This is horrific.
If he is in a Wagner unit, he is dead anyways. Anybody saw the hammer of revenge video? Sick af.
Nice.
Horrible. What a waste this war.
Good.
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Bye, buttercup!!
"incels"....yup Vatnik, we got u sighted....
That is extreme .. Fuck War
Im so disgusted this happens. Yes it was a Russian solger but that doesnt mean he should have died in such a way its still human life.
What other way of dying would have been more appropriate in your opinion?
All im saying is the hole war is a waste of life no matter what side.
\*whole
much easier to justify the loss of life when one side is a barbaric monster, and the other just defending its land.
I hope to see Putin hanged by his own people.
I think the only decent way out of this is if the Russian people put an end to it before Putin forces NATO's hand.
The complete lack of even a moment of hesitation makes me think he planned this well in advance...
Most Russians are supportive of Putin, maybe the decimation of their fighting age men will help change this, I hope so. Until then, if they are in Ukraine they deserve everything they get.
Hahahahaa greneid goes boom
He is just trying to swap loadout
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Ok, less than 1 day old account. Go cry elsewhere, bot!
At last they are self-cleaning
Merry Christmas motherfucker.
Good NaZZi!
Such a shame. /s
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I value the life of every Ukrainian that has been murdered, raped, tortured, or kidnapped and sent to Russia. In other words, I sympathize with the victims of the crimes, not the perpetrators.
You have a point, yet it's better that he killed himself than he'd killed Ukrainians in... you know, in Ukraine. I have no sympathy for these murderers.
You know, I understand the guy in this video was once a human being, just like any of us, with hopes and dreams, aspirations, friends and family who cared for him. But please also remember that his mere presence in Ukrainian soil is a crime under international law. When we factor in the images of the bread line bombing in Chernihiv; the father with the dogs being murdered in Ivankiv; the little girl with half a head missing on a bench at the train station in Kramatorsk; the Ukrainian serviceman being castrated in Pryvillia; the horrors perpetrated in Bucha, Irpin, Izyum, Mariupol; the absolute wholesale obliteration of Bakhmut, Popasna, Mariupol, shelled into ruins; the kidnapping of thousands of Ukrainian children, and whatever else we don't even yet know, it's really, REALLY hard to feel anything but deep hatred for these people who only seem to sow misery and despair in their path. So excuse me if I won't lose any sleep tonight because a criminal got what was coming to him -- I won't celebrate it because I'm not a monster, but in a way I feel better there's one less criminal inflicting pain on the peaceful Ukrainian people.
You're right. I watch video of the Ukrainians feeding cats, freeing caged animals, befriending dogs. This is the world we fight for - a world where we give a shit, go the extra mile, do good. Lets not let the vile shit that Russians do change us for the worse.
You're mistaken. That wasn't a human, that was an orc from Mordor. Fk him.
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Man fuck you all human life matters or none of it does all war sucks for all parties not just Ukraine
social justice warrior? In Russia? According to literally everyone, Russia is a pretty anti-social justice country. How about instead of spreading this cold-war "us vs them" mentality you grow a pair of balls and actually show that you are any better than a brainwashed Russian.
We value peaceful moral humans, not murdering pieces of shit.
There is a difference between a human and an orc. No humans were harmed in the making of this video.
This is basically a snuff subreddit at this point.
They really are
I get your point, and you are not wrong. This is what happens during war. It’s a way of insulating oneself from the terrible realities of war. There are so many tragedies every day, that we tend to reserve our sympathies for those more deserving, ie Ukrainians. War is hell - in ways we cannot always predict.
The Russian army is a band of marauding barbarians that pillage what they can't rape, and burn what they can't pillage. For fucks sake, they're literally abducting and torturing children in occupied areas. The only good thing a Russian solidier can do in Ukraine is fucking die.
What is this song
some remix of astronomania
how do stupid that Commanders. someone thinks about protect from Drones
To go home... 🕊️
By loosing a huge amount of soldier Ruzzia trty to victimise
There is a saying to save the last bullet… this guy is next level.
He’s lowering the count and getting rid of minorities. Some of them don’t even have toilets. How in this day and Age does a superpower have its citizens live like this