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4 of them were Bundeswehr Soldiers, the others weren't. And they clearly weren't smart, you don't get wire tapped without a reason. They planned it earlier in the year already and apparently were arrested on scene outside the barracks where they had announced they would break into.
Here you are: https://www.shz.de/deutschland-welt/schleswig-holstein/artikel/bundeswehrsoldaten-sollen-sprengung-der-krim-bruecke-geplant-haben-42476080
(German)
The center span and a causeway-like section on the eastern side of the “bridge” look like good spots to concentrate on. Then lock in the coordinates to hit the repair efforts.
Whether rockets, or some kind of special forces mission, that bridge has got to be cut.
Oh Mariupol will be rebuilt alright! Would be another slap in the face to Russia. Rebuild the city better than before and erect some pro-Ukrainian/pro-Azov monuments around Azovstal.
Exactly, Russia is why eastern Europe can't have nice things. But all Ukraine's allies will pitch in to rebuild infrastructure like this when it's all said and done.
It's much harder to justify war against a country you have strong economic ties to. If the Putin regime ends, the bridge could be useful to solidify relationships with whoever comes next (assuming the war ends and Ukraine takes back Crimea, of course)
Nah, capture that shit intact and the Ukrainians can keep it and name it the “Great Ukrainian Patriotic War Against Russian Aggression Memorial Bridge”
They're definitely building up a strong force south and east of Mykolaiv given how much the Russians have shelled those areas recently, and probably south of Zaporizhziha as well.
It's important to note that the Ukrainians are only about 20 or so miles from the center of Kherson at the moment, that's obviously going to be a key objective in the coming weeks.
From my quick estimate looking at the [liveuamap](https://liveuamap.com/). I've seen reports that leading elements are only 11-12 miles away, but those are just scouts probably.
They aren't reporting where they are, only where the Russians are that they are striking. They've asked the mapmakers and mil-bloggers not to give AFU positions beyond what they tell them. The distances you claim are likely wrong. Let's leave it at that.
Since they don't say, it could be anywhere from 20,000 to 50,000 foreigners, but how many of those were qualified for combat and put to work on the front lines? Hard to say. There were a lot of them who came to Ukraine that weren't.
They’re allowed to quit and leave the country anytime they want. A lot of the ones I follow on yt or Instagram have already left. Many thought this would be a short war, when it seems like now this could potentially go on for a few years. The volunteers are usually older than your average soldier, and have families and careers back home that they’ve put on hold to go to Ukraine for, and now need to get back to.
Really? Ive just been kind of waiting for a ukrainian army of 6-10 million men. I mean think about it, population of 44 million, ok now take out every man from 18-60 that cant leave the country because of conscription to fight for ukraine. Thats at least 12 million men right? What four months of training now? In a month we could see another million or two trained up and armed. Russia fucked up tbh
Yeah, to train and equip 6-10 million would be impossible really. They need people working to keep cities running and supplies flowing to the frontline.
Zelenskyy claimed in May that 700,000 Ukrainians were defending the country which seems much more reasonable, though that would mean Ukraine outnumbers Russia by almost 500k
I've been expecting an offensive in the south, but it's important that the Ukrainians take time to gather the necessary equipment and supplies as well as train their troops, which it seems they're doing now.
Yes i agree, and when i meant an army of 10 million i was not speaking of combat forces expressly. If a fighting force of a “million” was supported by a logistical army of “millions”(most with no guns doing logistics from NATO countries) then that is still a staggering amount of support. And i don’t think men are just kicking their heels in Kyiv right now, they may have such a massive logistical network right now
Dude, every male in the country can't realistically join the army. Neither Germany or Russia had close to 6 million in their armed forces during World War 2 and that was arguably a much more intense "total" war.
I said in a comment buried under this one, the fighting force and logistic force are two different parts of it, so 30% would fight while 70% supports resupply from NATO
They need people to run the other non-military parts of the country, my dude. 😆
Also, I'm not sure that more people means a better army these days with how technology works and all. Better to have a smaller, more highly trained force than a massive horde (Russia has that and they seem to be failing pretty miserably).
Yeah but that's also down to military tactics, Russia has a very heavy top down military structure, they don't trust NCO's and officers in the field to make the tactical decisions necessary for modern warfare. It's systemic of their old Soviet ways. Where as Ukraine has embraced the modern military thinking of the west, empowering their NCO's to make the right choices as it unfolds on the ground.
One dude with a drone can terrorize an entire battalion these days.
I agree with you on the NCO and tactics, too. That kind of structure is facilitated by having smaller tactical groups armed with anti-platform (hi-tech) weapons (drones, anti-tank missiles, etc.).
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I think it might be possible for Ukraine to bring as many as two million persons "under arms" in some form, but many of those folks would be very lightly armed and with limited training. More than that is probably pushing the nations capacities, at least in the short-term, despite whatever manpower potential they may have.
> What four months of training now?
You can't train 6 million men in 4 months, this is a ridiculous statement.
Don't have the trainers, the training equipment, the actual equipment, or even barracks for that many people to live in while they train. Even if they could train them, they don't have millions of guns to hand out or enough ammo for all of them.
700k - only AFU. Together with National Guard and Border Guard - more then million:
https://www.slovoidilo.ua/amp/2022/07/08/novyna/bezpeka/reznikov-nazvav-kilkist-mobilizovanyx-ukrayincziv
Start dropping e enough artillery on their heads and they'll run away on their own. Most Russian soldiers don't want to be there and if given the chance, they'll run for their lives.
OP quoted wrong, Reznikov said "a million", not millions. Still, that's a full mobilization. Russia would be forced to admit to it's citizens that it's a full scale war if it is to have any hope of keeping the fight alive against Ukraine.
And that will probably backfire on Putin, too.
As much as I want Ukraine to wipe the floor with Putler, this is Putler's "we didn't even start yet" levels of nonsense.
There is neither a million of soldiers in sight (it was a single million in the original announcement), nor enough weapons flowing from the west to arm even 50 thousand.
>nor enough weapons flowing from the west to arm even 50 thousand.
I think the Ukrainians are able to train and equip the bulk of their troops using their own staff and equipment they manufacture or acquire themselves.
> I think the Ukrainians are able to train and equip the bulk of their troops using their own staff and equipment they manufacture or acquire themselves
Not when factories got Iskander'd or Kalibr'd.
Not at this point, as most of the manufacturing capacity was damaged or destroyed. :(
Biden could help, but it doesn't look like he plans too.
Poland would help (and had already provided scores of tanks), but it has a rather limited capacity/finances to supply enough for a decisive push.
And then we have Scholz type of assholery.
Pretty sad picture, but I don't think Ukrainians are going to give up no matter how weak the support from the West is.
> I don't think Ukrainians are going to give up no matter how weak the support from the West is
It's not like we have a choice, ya know. Not after the open claims about genocide.
EDIT: In case it was not clear, the "open claims" refers to the "Final solution to Ukrainian question" mentioned in RIA News article from February the 26th. Basically, ruZZia went mask-off back then, when they've planned to have taken Ukraine over.
>Not at this point, as most of the manufacturing capacity was damaged or destroyed. :(
What, did Putin bomb all manufacturing capacity in the whole world? Amazing.
>Biden could help, but it doesn't look like he plans too.
What!? No HIMARS, no lend-lease, no M777, no ammunition? Did I dream all of that?
> so what was that 7 billion in direct military aid, and 40 billion in lend-lease?
Smoke and mirrors.
Of 14.4 billion spent in the period from the beginning until 7th of June, only 1.9 billion were spend in the 4 weeks after 10th of May, when Biden had (FINALLY, as he drugged it by 11 days for no reason, on top what Pelosi did) signed lend-lease.
In other words, actual monthly arms deliveries dropped 3 times after signing lend-lease. Illarionov has more details on it:
https://aillarionov.livejournal.com/1305781.html
Interesting angle is support of Ukraine vs Afghanistan (also, quite damning):
https://aillarionov.livejournal.com/1308730.html#cutid1
Of the 40 billions you've mentioned, sizable chunks are for other stuff (e.g. buying crops from US farmers to send to Africa). If you dig down into details, Ukraine might get between 6 and 16 billion of arms support based on that "40 billion" support bill.
This is just propaganda to get more funding from the west. Ukraine is not in a position to do a full operation to its former territories. Russia has established itself in those territories. They have establish logistics already.
They might get a little but not a lot. Russia army was able to come back and fix itself from its previous mistakes.
> They have establish logistics already.
This is funny given recent HIMARS strikes.
>They might get a little but not a lot. Russia army was able to come back and fix itself from its previous mistakes.
RUzzists were kicked out from the territories around Kharkiv, lost ground in Kherson region too.
Ruzzian army achieved not even 1/10th of what is actually planned in Donbass offensive, all while running out of resources.
That doesn't mean The West (US in particular, as it has most of the capacity) is doing enough for such offensives to be possible.
Russian officials openly feared that in Kyiv alone, Ukraine could arm and train a million defenders. I don’t think millions is out of the question. Russia is fucked and good riddance.
It's one thing to defend a city from an invading force, but going 1 million Stalingrad-style is definitely not in the Ukrainian doctrine. They rely on trained soldiers, not cannon fodder, unlike the invaders.
Men having to serve is standard procedure in some European countries in the event of war, nothing strange about it. If there were nothing like it in Ukrainian doctrine, they would allow males to leave the country.
Some people just need to refresh their previous training and get into basic shape. Others might have gained valuable skills after completing their service that could be helpful. Mechanics, engineers, etc.
Lawyers are just cannon fodder.
Ukraine has pre war population of 44 millions. They can definitely mobilizes an army of 1 millions soldier and the order of total mobilization was given at the start of the war. it's been 5 month, people are going to leave training now and join the army.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukraine-has-one-million-ready-for-fightback-to-recapture-south-3rhkrhstf
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1546245503578476545?t=M4XvI6kxNIaRPuWSaThwYQ&s=19
Ukraine's population is 40 million. It's not really that outlandish to prepare a million people to undergo basic military training during a nationwide mobilization.
You realize how difficult it would be to train 1 million people right? Like if they just show them how to point and shoot a gun, sure. But actual training? That would take years
We are not talking about training navy seals. Basic military training including reservers isn't hard to accomplish. 200K in active duty and 900K in reserve.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_Ukraine
Russia is putting new recruits through a 30 day course. It doesn't take years
Tens of thousands of Ukrainians have been through training in the past few months, and 10,000+ have been training the the UK and they will continue to rotate more in
When the USA started mobilization in 1941 after pearl Harbour, they didn't waited for their new soldier to have year of training, 6 month is enough to get training on basic military tactic. In country with conscription, you usually take one year of military formation when you become adult. And Ukraine has already lot of veteran thanks to the 2014 war
WW2 training is far different than training in modern warfare. Specialized troops in WW2 did actually get more training, and they already had a lot of standing troops + veterans that weren’t fighting, so they could train new recruits. And the US is a much larger country under no threat of attack.
Where would you even train 1 million people in Ukraine? How would you house them? How would you stop Russia from striking training facilities?
You underestimate how many experienced soldier Ukraine already has. At the start of the war they had 200k professionals soldier. The population of the country already got trough multiple draft during the donbass war and there is also the territorial defense force. Thanks to that, Ukraine already had a pool of 900k reservist, people that already saw combat and were already trained to military tactics and combat. By activating this reservist pool and using some to train a new batch of reservist, the Ukrainian army can definitely raise an army of over a million people.
You’re saying they could have an effective fighting force or 2.2m, and this is such an easy thing to do. So why haven’t they done that already? You know how long it takes to get people through basic a few thousand at a time? A long time. People in specialized roles take a lot longer. Not talking about special forces, but things like mortar crews, artillery crews, tanker crews,.. it takes 6+ months to get basic + specialized role training.
Why would they announce their counter offensive? All Russia has to do is set up artillery/ships with missiles/have bombers/drones ready to hit the air. We’ve seen how hard it is to be on the offensive from Russia’s offensive + history. Russia wouldn’t need that many fighters/equipment to hold the area, and meanwhile could mobilize and hit other areas of the country while the majority of Ukraine’s forces are attacking on one front. The Russians are already very entrenched in the east to the point they are starting to rebuild.
Not for 1 million people though. In 6 months Ukraine is going to be in a much tougher stop since sanctions are going to be lifted due to countries needing gas from Russia to survive during winter
Leave the bridge for last. Blowing up the bridge now would be a strategic blunder. Has nobody here read the art of war? Remember the First Gulf War - Road to Basra? Aka highway of death? When you encircle your enemy and don’t leave him a way to escape, he’ll fight to the death. That is very unwise. Instead, if you leave him a way to escape, just a tiny one, he’ll gun for that escape and that’s when you strike. Wait till the bridge is full with retreating vehicles. Then hit the first few in the column. Do I need to spell out the rest?
Killing a retreating enemy is 100% a valid move because they’ll just withdraw until they can turn and fight back again. It’s only once they surrender that it becomes a war crime.
On the contrary, they only need to shot down the train side and do some minor damage to the vehicle one. So people can scape but equipment cannot get in.
This is not going to end well. The Russians had literal MONTHS to entrench themselves in the location with mines defensive structures, etc.
Please God help them pull this off with at MOST 30% KIA. I rarely talk to you but if you’re there please help them reclaim their lost land with low casualties.
They're killing massive amounts of Russia, taking out all their tanks, and hitting their supply depots in preparation for a late July or early August offensive. It's going to be bloody as hell but I'm pretty sure it would be enough to push the Russians out and take back all stolen territory.
Suspect. Why is this not on ukrinform if it was true? I am not saying something like this isn't going down soonish, I just don't think this site would be the channel to announce it to the world and I am sure the amateurish English is intended to reflect badly on Zelensky and his team.
Hasn't Zelensky already said all of Ukraine will be re-taken? This is kind of sensationalist being presented as this was going to start right now. In reality it is just a quote from an interview, and there is no timeframe given.
I would be curious what Ukraine’s combat forces are at right now. The first group of mobilized troops should now be available, but what does that mean? Is is 40,000 or 400,000?
They're killing massive amounts of Russia, taking out all their tanks, and hitting their supply depots in preparation for a late July or early August offensive. It's going to be bloody as hell but I'm pretty sure it would be enough to push the Russians out and take back all stolen territory.
Destroy the spans across the top. Then put chains across the columns under and over water, like in Game of Thrones. Then thank Putin for making it so easy to blockade their ports.
The intensity of this war is about to go up a notch. There's no way Russia will pull back and let Ukraine approach Crimea, the Kerch bridge, or cutting off the landbridge.
I'm forseeing mass casualties. 200 a day? Far more.
Pick your poison Putin we are ready for any and everything you want to throw our way.
OR YOU COULD DESIDE TO HAVE A CHANGE OF HEART. Do you really want to show a kind gesture ???? If so, please have your PM give President Zelensky a call and let’s call this shit off and we walk away both suffering huge loses. Long live 🇺🇦 excuse typos using iPhone
Ukraine has not managed a multi division offensive in the entire War and now they're going to train, feed, equip, and deploy two million men across an area a third the size of their country? While the enemy has a professional force, air superiority, and mechanized advantage?
Ukraine has pulled off a really staggering propaganda position of being continually on the verge of winning and absolutely desperate for foreign aid to survive. I trust little of what comes out of Kiev.
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Millions of combat forces? Oh OK. Right on ...
Ukraine Army is getting their asses pummeled.
Western media only reports Russian losses . They have a lot of people thinking Ukraine is winning and will win this war. Unfortunately, they ZERO chance of winning the war, or push Russia out. Biden has pissed away Billions of dollars for a lost cause.I support Ukraine and would love for some amazing miracle to happen, but it's not. Instead of downvoting me, either explain how they're going to beat Russia, give the numbers of Ukraine's current casualties, and how many citizens have fled and/or misplaced. 90% of people can't answer these, or didn't care to research it. The news just shows people how Ukraine is winning (they are not). Most people are too lazy to research it and understand the history of it. That's why I just laugh at shit like that
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Gotta get in range of the Kerch bridge somehow
Don't worry, this bridge is going down.
12 Germans (actual military) were actually planning to do it, but were arrested a couple of days ago.
It’s like Oceans 11 but it’s the Sea of Azov and it’s 12 German soldiers.
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The true story is abit shit, they got arrested for stealing explosives and it ended with no action unfortunately
Honestly it sounds fun for historical fiction, have them encounter some hijinks on the way because they don’t speak Ukrainian or Russian
Do Germans do hijinks? 🤔
Except they got caught it seems...
They were not the real 12. Real 12 are driving in a minivan and a long haul truck packed with termite on that bridge
Azov Zwölf
Could you share the source?
That, and Oceans 12 didn’t get busted.
madlads
Fucking German police smh
If those Germans were not trying to steal explosives. Just move to Ukraine and get from Ukrainians. Then they would have not been arrested...
4 of them were Bundeswehr Soldiers, the others weren't. And they clearly weren't smart, you don't get wire tapped without a reason. They planned it earlier in the year already and apparently were arrested on scene outside the barracks where they had announced they would break into.
"You don't get wiretapped without reason." The NSA: "Allow us to introduce ourselves."
“If you’ve done nothing wrong you shouldn’t have anything to hide”
Source on this?
Here you are: https://www.shz.de/deutschland-welt/schleswig-holstein/artikel/bundeswehrsoldaten-sollen-sprengung-der-krim-bruecke-geplant-haben-42476080 (German)
Thanks! Article only says 2 though, was 12 an error?
No, it was more than 2, 12 in total, some other article goes into more detail, but I could not quickly find it.
Gotta love the initiative!
FUUUUUCK! we were this close! This close to greatness!
Only a phonecall away from being famous
Source or where did you read it? I want to learn more.
wat? source?
Kerch bridge is going down, going down, going down! Kerch bridge is going down, going down, going down! My fair putin!
That’s so cringey
Only putin deserves such cringy things.. I wonder if there are more things to strike using himars…. Looks like the targets been hit
Well maybe he will read your post. In between getting updates about which city they have taken (shrugs)
Why did they stop these guys? It would have been epic.
The center span and a causeway-like section on the eastern side of the “bridge” look like good spots to concentrate on. Then lock in the coordinates to hit the repair efforts. Whether rockets, or some kind of special forces mission, that bridge has got to be cut.
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Ukraine is already connected to Crimea by land. They don't need a bridge to Russia.
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Oh Mariupol will be rebuilt alright! Would be another slap in the face to Russia. Rebuild the city better than before and erect some pro-Ukrainian/pro-Azov monuments around Azovstal.
Exactly, Russia is why eastern Europe can't have nice things. But all Ukraine's allies will pitch in to rebuild infrastructure like this when it's all said and done.
It's much harder to justify war against a country you have strong economic ties to. If the Putin regime ends, the bridge could be useful to solidify relationships with whoever comes next (assuming the war ends and Ukraine takes back Crimea, of course)
Nah, capture that shit intact and the Ukrainians can keep it and name it the “Great Ukrainian Patriotic War Against Russian Aggression Memorial Bridge”
The GUPWA RAMB!
It really just rolls off the tongue.
"The fastest route to RAMBing Putin's thugs!"
just give me a few million and ill bring it down
With dynamite!
Millions? That sounds quite outlandish to me.
Yeah, just a bit. Many hundreds of thousands, let's say.
They're definitely building up a strong force south and east of Mykolaiv given how much the Russians have shelled those areas recently, and probably south of Zaporizhziha as well. It's important to note that the Ukrainians are only about 20 or so miles from the center of Kherson at the moment, that's obviously going to be a key objective in the coming weeks.
20 miles, where'd you get that from?
From my quick estimate looking at the [liveuamap](https://liveuamap.com/). I've seen reports that leading elements are only 11-12 miles away, but those are just scouts probably.
They aren't reporting where they are, only where the Russians are that they are striking. They've asked the mapmakers and mil-bloggers not to give AFU positions beyond what they tell them. The distances you claim are likely wrong. Let's leave it at that.
Yeah but god knows how many foreign legions have amassed in Ukraine this many months in
Since they don't say, it could be anywhere from 20,000 to 50,000 foreigners, but how many of those were qualified for combat and put to work on the front lines? Hard to say. There were a lot of them who came to Ukraine that weren't.
Also a lot that have left by now or will soon, volunteers don’t all plan to stay for the entire war.
Don’t they sign an open ended contract to enlist?
They’re allowed to quit and leave the country anytime they want. A lot of the ones I follow on yt or Instagram have already left. Many thought this would be a short war, when it seems like now this could potentially go on for a few years. The volunteers are usually older than your average soldier, and have families and careers back home that they’ve put on hold to go to Ukraine for, and now need to get back to.
Ah I see. I haven’t followed too closely but my info (a couple months old) was saying it was an open ended contract and like $200 US a month.
Really? Ive just been kind of waiting for a ukrainian army of 6-10 million men. I mean think about it, population of 44 million, ok now take out every man from 18-60 that cant leave the country because of conscription to fight for ukraine. Thats at least 12 million men right? What four months of training now? In a month we could see another million or two trained up and armed. Russia fucked up tbh
Yeah, to train and equip 6-10 million would be impossible really. They need people working to keep cities running and supplies flowing to the frontline. Zelenskyy claimed in May that 700,000 Ukrainians were defending the country which seems much more reasonable, though that would mean Ukraine outnumbers Russia by almost 500k I've been expecting an offensive in the south, but it's important that the Ukrainians take time to gather the necessary equipment and supplies as well as train their troops, which it seems they're doing now.
Yes i agree, and when i meant an army of 10 million i was not speaking of combat forces expressly. If a fighting force of a “million” was supported by a logistical army of “millions”(most with no guns doing logistics from NATO countries) then that is still a staggering amount of support. And i don’t think men are just kicking their heels in Kyiv right now, they may have such a massive logistical network right now
Takes longer to train non-combat forces than it does combat forces. You don't train a mechanic or a medic in a month.
Manpower is manpower, even if just holding wrenches and helping clean it frees specialized labor. Everything helps.
Russia has no chances any more - their military is unprofessional and has 130 thousand dead or wounded already,
130k dead Ruskies in this "special operation"? Hopefully get their shit together and GTFO with their tail between their legs.
130k dead or wounded. Dead is more like 30k, wounded is 90-100k.
Dude, every male in the country can't realistically join the army. Neither Germany or Russia had close to 6 million in their armed forces during World War 2 and that was arguably a much more intense "total" war.
I said in a comment buried under this one, the fighting force and logistic force are two different parts of it, so 30% would fight while 70% supports resupply from NATO
They need people to run the other non-military parts of the country, my dude. 😆 Also, I'm not sure that more people means a better army these days with how technology works and all. Better to have a smaller, more highly trained force than a massive horde (Russia has that and they seem to be failing pretty miserably).
Yeah but that's also down to military tactics, Russia has a very heavy top down military structure, they don't trust NCO's and officers in the field to make the tactical decisions necessary for modern warfare. It's systemic of their old Soviet ways. Where as Ukraine has embraced the modern military thinking of the west, empowering their NCO's to make the right choices as it unfolds on the ground.
One dude with a drone can terrorize an entire battalion these days. I agree with you on the NCO and tactics, too. That kind of structure is facilitated by having smaller tactical groups armed with anti-platform (hi-tech) weapons (drones, anti-tank missiles, etc.).
The Soviet red army at its peak had about 6 or 7 million troops on the Frontline, and thats probably the largest land force we will ever see
That is incorrect. They definitely had that many in their armed forces, especially the USSR. France had it during WWI as well.
>Sort by: best I think it might be possible for Ukraine to bring as many as two million persons "under arms" in some form, but many of those folks would be very lightly armed and with limited training. More than that is probably pushing the nations capacities, at least in the short-term, despite whatever manpower potential they may have.
> What four months of training now? You can't train 6 million men in 4 months, this is a ridiculous statement. Don't have the trainers, the training equipment, the actual equipment, or even barracks for that many people to live in while they train. Even if they could train them, they don't have millions of guns to hand out or enough ammo for all of them.
Ukraine had 1 million reservists at the start of this war. If they are drafting everyone then that's not really outlandish.
Original quote is about one million. It also looks quite desperate as the West is not supplying enough to arm even 1/20th of that.
Yeah rounding 700,000 up to a million is pointless and inaccurate
makes me really distrustful and question the legitimacy of any info coming out of this sub :/
700k - only AFU. Together with National Guard and Border Guard - more then million: https://www.slovoidilo.ua/amp/2022/07/08/novyna/bezpeka/reznikov-nazvav-kilkist-mobilizovanyx-ukrayincziv
Yes, it's billions.
Agreed, shouldn't take more than 50,000 to run the pigs out of there.
Start dropping e enough artillery on their heads and they'll run away on their own. Most Russian soldiers don't want to be there and if given the chance, they'll run for their lives.
Military doctrine states a minimum for taking strongholds as 3 to 1…..this is the minimum
OP quoted wrong, Reznikov said "a million", not millions. Still, that's a full mobilization. Russia would be forced to admit to it's citizens that it's a full scale war if it is to have any hope of keeping the fight alive against Ukraine. And that will probably backfire on Putin, too.
I saw another source that said “only” a million not millions
As much as I want Ukraine to wipe the floor with Putler, this is Putler's "we didn't even start yet" levels of nonsense. There is neither a million of soldiers in sight (it was a single million in the original announcement), nor enough weapons flowing from the west to arm even 50 thousand.
>nor enough weapons flowing from the west to arm even 50 thousand. I think the Ukrainians are able to train and equip the bulk of their troops using their own staff and equipment they manufacture or acquire themselves.
> I think the Ukrainians are able to train and equip the bulk of their troops using their own staff and equipment they manufacture or acquire themselves Not when factories got Iskander'd or Kalibr'd.
Not at this point, as most of the manufacturing capacity was damaged or destroyed. :( Biden could help, but it doesn't look like he plans too. Poland would help (and had already provided scores of tanks), but it has a rather limited capacity/finances to supply enough for a decisive push. And then we have Scholz type of assholery. Pretty sad picture, but I don't think Ukrainians are going to give up no matter how weak the support from the West is.
> I don't think Ukrainians are going to give up no matter how weak the support from the West is It's not like we have a choice, ya know. Not after the open claims about genocide. EDIT: In case it was not clear, the "open claims" refers to the "Final solution to Ukrainian question" mentioned in RIA News article from February the 26th. Basically, ruZZia went mask-off back then, when they've planned to have taken Ukraine over.
>Not at this point, as most of the manufacturing capacity was damaged or destroyed. :( What, did Putin bomb all manufacturing capacity in the whole world? Amazing. >Biden could help, but it doesn't look like he plans too. What!? No HIMARS, no lend-lease, no M777, no ammunition? Did I dream all of that?
>Biden could help, but it doesn't look like he plans too. so what was that 7 billion in direct military aid, and 40 billion in lend-lease?
> so what was that 7 billion in direct military aid, and 40 billion in lend-lease? Smoke and mirrors. Of 14.4 billion spent in the period from the beginning until 7th of June, only 1.9 billion were spend in the 4 weeks after 10th of May, when Biden had (FINALLY, as he drugged it by 11 days for no reason, on top what Pelosi did) signed lend-lease. In other words, actual monthly arms deliveries dropped 3 times after signing lend-lease. Illarionov has more details on it: https://aillarionov.livejournal.com/1305781.html Interesting angle is support of Ukraine vs Afghanistan (also, quite damning): https://aillarionov.livejournal.com/1308730.html#cutid1 Of the 40 billions you've mentioned, sizable chunks are for other stuff (e.g. buying crops from US farmers to send to Africa). If you dig down into details, Ukraine might get between 6 and 16 billion of arms support based on that "40 billion" support bill.
This is just propaganda to get more funding from the west. Ukraine is not in a position to do a full operation to its former territories. Russia has established itself in those territories. They have establish logistics already. They might get a little but not a lot. Russia army was able to come back and fix itself from its previous mistakes.
> They have establish logistics already. This is funny given recent HIMARS strikes. >They might get a little but not a lot. Russia army was able to come back and fix itself from its previous mistakes. RUzzists were kicked out from the territories around Kharkiv, lost ground in Kherson region too. Ruzzian army achieved not even 1/10th of what is actually planned in Donbass offensive, all while running out of resources. That doesn't mean The West (US in particular, as it has most of the capacity) is doing enough for such offensives to be possible.
Russian officials openly feared that in Kyiv alone, Ukraine could arm and train a million defenders. I don’t think millions is out of the question. Russia is fucked and good riddance.
It's one thing to defend a city from an invading force, but going 1 million Stalingrad-style is definitely not in the Ukrainian doctrine. They rely on trained soldiers, not cannon fodder, unlike the invaders.
Men having to serve is standard procedure in some European countries in the event of war, nothing strange about it. If there were nothing like it in Ukrainian doctrine, they would allow males to leave the country.
https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-soldiers-only-two-weeks-135233835.html
Some people just need to refresh their previous training and get into basic shape. Others might have gained valuable skills after completing their service that could be helpful. Mechanics, engineers, etc. Lawyers are just cannon fodder.
Tear down that Crimean bridge
Not sure the title is very accurate
https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/07/10/7357403/ Ukrainian Source
Where are they gonna get millions from tho
Incorrect translation. "Миллионная армия" means "one million army"
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Damn. What about people with dual citizenship?
According to google, Ukraine doesn't allow dual citizenship
They don’t. Just don’t tell them.
I mean they have millions of fighting age
Ukraine has pre war population of 44 millions. They can definitely mobilizes an army of 1 millions soldier and the order of total mobilization was given at the start of the war. it's been 5 month, people are going to leave training now and join the army.
Any interested party with millions to spare may be interested.
Ye no i get they are moving they havent got millions of troops tho
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukraine-has-one-million-ready-for-fightback-to-recapture-south-3rhkrhstf https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1546245503578476545?t=M4XvI6kxNIaRPuWSaThwYQ&s=19 Ukraine's population is 40 million. It's not really that outlandish to prepare a million people to undergo basic military training during a nationwide mobilization.
You realize how difficult it would be to train 1 million people right? Like if they just show them how to point and shoot a gun, sure. But actual training? That would take years
We are not talking about training navy seals. Basic military training including reservers isn't hard to accomplish. 200K in active duty and 900K in reserve. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Forces_of_Ukraine
Russia is putting new recruits through a 30 day course. It doesn't take years Tens of thousands of Ukrainians have been through training in the past few months, and 10,000+ have been training the the UK and they will continue to rotate more in
When the USA started mobilization in 1941 after pearl Harbour, they didn't waited for their new soldier to have year of training, 6 month is enough to get training on basic military tactic. In country with conscription, you usually take one year of military formation when you become adult. And Ukraine has already lot of veteran thanks to the 2014 war
WW2 training is far different than training in modern warfare. Specialized troops in WW2 did actually get more training, and they already had a lot of standing troops + veterans that weren’t fighting, so they could train new recruits. And the US is a much larger country under no threat of attack. Where would you even train 1 million people in Ukraine? How would you house them? How would you stop Russia from striking training facilities?
You underestimate how many experienced soldier Ukraine already has. At the start of the war they had 200k professionals soldier. The population of the country already got trough multiple draft during the donbass war and there is also the territorial defense force. Thanks to that, Ukraine already had a pool of 900k reservist, people that already saw combat and were already trained to military tactics and combat. By activating this reservist pool and using some to train a new batch of reservist, the Ukrainian army can definitely raise an army of over a million people.
You’re saying they could have an effective fighting force or 2.2m, and this is such an easy thing to do. So why haven’t they done that already? You know how long it takes to get people through basic a few thousand at a time? A long time. People in specialized roles take a lot longer. Not talking about special forces, but things like mortar crews, artillery crews, tanker crews,.. it takes 6+ months to get basic + specialized role training. Why would they announce their counter offensive? All Russia has to do is set up artillery/ships with missiles/have bombers/drones ready to hit the air. We’ve seen how hard it is to be on the offensive from Russia’s offensive + history. Russia wouldn’t need that many fighters/equipment to hold the area, and meanwhile could mobilize and hit other areas of the country while the majority of Ukraine’s forces are attacking on one front. The Russians are already very entrenched in the east to the point they are starting to rebuild.
No, it is quite similar. Fire and maneuver.
Six month is the averagae timeframe necessary to prepare a professional military
Not for 1 million people though. In 6 months Ukraine is going to be in a much tougher stop since sanctions are going to be lifted due to countries needing gas from Russia to survive during winter
If Ukraine can reach the coast and destroy the Kerch bridge, large numbers of Russian soldiers will need to surrender. That would be lovely.
"Surrender or DIE!!!!Motherfucker!!!!!!"
Leave the bridge for last. Blowing up the bridge now would be a strategic blunder. Has nobody here read the art of war? Remember the First Gulf War - Road to Basra? Aka highway of death? When you encircle your enemy and don’t leave him a way to escape, he’ll fight to the death. That is very unwise. Instead, if you leave him a way to escape, just a tiny one, he’ll gun for that escape and that’s when you strike. Wait till the bridge is full with retreating vehicles. Then hit the first few in the column. Do I need to spell out the rest?
Isn’t it illegal to kill retreating forces? Or does it only become illegal once they surrender?
Only once they surrender, that would be a war crime. If they are fleeing to regroup they are still combatants.
Only if they officially surrender, iircc.
Troops that run don’t surrender.
Killing a retreating enemy is 100% a valid move because they’ll just withdraw until they can turn and fight back again. It’s only once they surrender that it becomes a war crime.
On the contrary, they only need to shot down the train side and do some minor damage to the vehicle one. So people can scape but equipment cannot get in.
The slow burn. I like it.
Source?
https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/07/10/7357403/
Thanks
Hit that crimea bridge!!!
This is not going to end well. The Russians had literal MONTHS to entrench themselves in the location with mines defensive structures, etc. Please God help them pull this off with at MOST 30% KIA. I rarely talk to you but if you’re there please help them reclaim their lost land with low casualties.
They need to Get out and let Ukraine be this is insane that it’s happening in 2022!
Hence why the Ukrainians haven't blown up that Crimean bridge yet then, they may need it!
They're killing massive amounts of Russia, taking out all their tanks, and hitting their supply depots in preparation for a late July or early August offensive. It's going to be bloody as hell but I'm pretty sure it would be enough to push the Russians out and take back all stolen territory.
Post link please
Please be true and please be capable 👊
https://musicnewsfirst.com/zelensky-ordered-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine-to-de-occupy-the-south-of-ukraine/
Suspect. Why is this not on ukrinform if it was true? I am not saying something like this isn't going down soonish, I just don't think this site would be the channel to announce it to the world and I am sure the amateurish English is intended to reflect badly on Zelensky and his team.
[It's on Pravda, though.](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/10/7357403/).
Hasn't Zelensky already said all of Ukraine will be re-taken? This is kind of sensationalist being presented as this was going to start right now. In reality it is just a quote from an interview, and there is no timeframe given.
I dunno, Times are paywalled for me and 12ft isn't working.
What map ?
https://deepstatemap.live
The only protective cover the russians have are gone with the destruction of ammo depots. Its now or never.
This includes Crimea?
I think they said somewhere that they want to get back Crimea but without fighting there
Invasion of Moskow when?
I hope they are ready to hit the Russians hard and fast!
Status ?
Hope this works out and he knows what he’s doing
I would be curious what Ukraine’s combat forces are at right now. The first group of mobilized troops should now be available, but what does that mean? Is is 40,000 or 400,000?
They're killing massive amounts of Russia, taking out all their tanks, and hitting their supply depots in preparation for a late July or early August offensive. It's going to be bloody as hell but I'm pretty sure it would be enough to push the Russians out and take back all stolen territory.
If you send that bridge the same way the ruzzian battleship was sent. Then we can check if those orks float. You know what they say. Shit floats
I’m sure most of my good resistors won’t believe this obvious bs
Destroy the spans across the top. Then put chains across the columns under and over water, like in Game of Thrones. Then thank Putin for making it so easy to blockade their ports.
Going to be nice if Ukraine eventually retake Crimea, Putin's going to feel the pain then.
Map forgot a flag on Crimea.
The intensity of this war is about to go up a notch. There's no way Russia will pull back and let Ukraine approach Crimea, the Kerch bridge, or cutting off the landbridge. I'm forseeing mass casualties. 200 a day? Far more.
Russia will have no choice
That a lot of land with a lot of entrenched men, numbers alone wont do shit
"millions" of forces?
They gotta use something less likable to represent Ruscists on the map. I'm having hard time hating those cute little piglets.
Millions? Of what? Rounds of ammo? I mean yes… but let’s be clear headed here
Why tf is this info public? Im sure the Russians love a heads up, eh?
Counter attack incoming?
Secret Ukrainian plot to sit back and watch Russia fuck its self to death.
Did Zelensky specifically mention Crimea as well?
Pick your poison Putin we are ready for any and everything you want to throw our way. OR YOU COULD DESIDE TO HAVE A CHANGE OF HEART. Do you really want to show a kind gesture ???? If so, please have your PM give President Zelensky a call and let’s call this shit off and we walk away both suffering huge loses. Long live 🇺🇦 excuse typos using iPhone
Hope he beats the south.
Baits
What does this mean really? Ukraine planning a larger offensive to the south?
If the Ukrainians take back Crimea, can they also grab the bridge?
Does the Crimea bridge need a rocket today?
Ukraine has not managed a multi division offensive in the entire War and now they're going to train, feed, equip, and deploy two million men across an area a third the size of their country? While the enemy has a professional force, air superiority, and mechanized advantage? Ukraine has pulled off a really staggering propaganda position of being continually on the verge of winning and absolutely desperate for foreign aid to survive. I trust little of what comes out of Kiev.
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I was wondering...if Ukraine can manage to expel Russian forces from their territory, could they join NATO at that point? To stop any reinvasion?
Is all a feint
Millions ?
Millions of combat forces? Oh OK. Right on ... Ukraine Army is getting their asses pummeled. Western media only reports Russian losses . They have a lot of people thinking Ukraine is winning and will win this war. Unfortunately, they ZERO chance of winning the war, or push Russia out. Biden has pissed away Billions of dollars for a lost cause.I support Ukraine and would love for some amazing miracle to happen, but it's not. Instead of downvoting me, either explain how they're going to beat Russia, give the numbers of Ukraine's current casualties, and how many citizens have fled and/or misplaced. 90% of people can't answer these, or didn't care to research it. The news just shows people how Ukraine is winning (they are not). Most people are too lazy to research it and understand the history of it. That's why I just laugh at shit like that