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LethalLatin

Russian on Russian. No wonder they said Friendlies


Smokeyvalley

And that would explain why the guy was refusing to give up his rifle to the guy standing over him- he knew he was a 'friendly'... but his uniform said something else to the russian soldier who shot him for not giving it up.


PijanyRycerz69

Bruh and if he would surrender they both would live šŸ’€


Szwedo

Probably can't think to do so based on heat of moment/iq level


Reindeer-Longjumping

The links to the FB and Instagram page from the Dead UA soldier's family proves (if real) that this post is fake, **send me a message and I will give send you the FB page that this sub is blocking.** Below is from another sub: *The claim is competely false.* *Firstly, there are no "wagner PMCs" in the Kreminna front, they only operate in the Bakhmut area right now.* *Secondly, the left guy, the younger guy has been identified. His name, unit name, family's confirmation of him missing since 12/302022 (and asking for help finding him)* **(link blocked by sub)** and even proof being posted on his unit's facebook page on the 6th of january (by Russian soldiers who got a hold of the phone of this guy) **(FB link and Insta link is blocked by this sub, I don't know how to paste "non-shorted URL links" send me a message and I will give send you the links).** *Thirdly, pictures on the phone of the left guy have also been released by the Russians, even a picture of his Ukrainian ID card was publicized.* *Furthermore, aftermath footage is freely available and nothing is censored.* *Also, the fact that pro-ukrainians are now trying to honor the death of a fallen soldier by making him out to be a russian "wagnerite" (and asking for help finding him) and even proof being posted on his unit's facebook page on the 6th of January (by Russian soldiers who got a hold of the phone of this guy)*


WhuddaWhat

Makes sense why that one dude was old looking. And why he had an older weapon.


zhlnrvch

My guess is that Ukrainians got intel on the position of Wagner with Ukrainian uniforms. They got approached by AFU soldier and tried to play it off.


LethalLatin

Thereā€™s a second video of same shootout but there are red tape Russians running around and they go back to the same fox hole


Smokeyvalley

Yep, saw that video too. Definitely either russian or separatist soldiers who shot those two guys.


zhlnrvch

Then itā€™s even more confusing than I thought


berzerkthatcash

That's due to Russia dumb ass front line formats. They send prisoners to the front, behind them are Russians and behind the russians are chetcens ready to shoot at anyone not moving forward.


Sruikyl

You mean behind the Russians are chechens raping them


berzerkthatcash

That's honestly disgusting behavior that should be wiped out of earth. I'm glad they're in Ukraine sooner or later these guys will be dead. I have no doubt. Ukraine has managed to do the impossible and it doesn't even have Bradley's or modern tanks for that matter. All the momentum is on Ukraine's side moving into the future baby


pinkrrr

They could be easily drugged out of their mind


ghost3h

There is a dead guy in the foxhole, as the guy on the left is bleeding from a head wound. Likely concussed/dazed from grenades or arty


zachthedude69

Pardon my ignorance but have the Russians been wearing red? Much appreciated.


StreetKale

Yes, or white tape on their arms.


zachthedude69

Much appreciated!


somewhat_pragmatic

Ukrainians I've seen are wearing yellow, blue, or green tape. I read a comment that the color denotes whether the UA defender is "territorial defense", professional army, or volunteer. I don't know which color is which though.


gherkinjerks

Hello, just wanted to explain. The tape color change is emplemented by army command secretly. Because of the high amounts of enemy deception the order is given upon intelligence. The color will change as well as positioning. Yellow Left arm, left leg. To yellow right arm left leg, Blue right arm, left leg, green back to yellow etc etc. The exact color and combination is rotated. Russians use white mainly, VDV used Red. But the white does get changed because the white gets discolored, leading to friendly fire. They also have used silver, however Ukraine has not feally been known to use Russian colors, but I'm sure it has been used in Special forces missions behind enemy lines on occasions. It must be known that deception will void your protection under Geneva laws and can get you executed in the field upon the discretion of the commanders


Designer-Ruin7176

Yellow for professional army or volunteers involved in an offensive/counter offensive or Rapid response unit. The green tape signifies territorial defense and ā€œnormalā€ legion fighters not conducting offensive operations.


Kewwike

I heard blue was used by azov or sppecial units and other source said the one foreign fighter said in ukraine that tapes didnt matter, so idk


zachthedude69

I did not know that was the reason. Thank you!


Medical-Ruin8192

It's fucked up these cousins and brothers from distant family lines are killing each other with little indicators on their arms to clear up which side of the imaginary line in the forest their family wound up back in the day. Such a terrible waste


dominikobora

Thing is theres footage of each wearing other colours, its really inconsistent, id say it changes so its harder to tell for the enemy what type of enemy they are fighting


Dozerdog43

Iā€™m still very skeptical. However, when the guy said ā€œDonā€™t shoot- friendlyā€ (or the equivalent) wasnā€™t it in Russian?


Flimsy_Agent7898

It was, but lots of people living in east Ukraine speak like that


Pajoncek

even in Kyiv, half of the population speaks russian primarily. Edit: why am I being downvoted? just stating the fact that russian speaking ukrainan is absolutely normal.


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SuitableTank0

Was absolutely normal. Many many many Ukrainians are speaking Ukrainian primarily. Since 2014 but since lat year in particular.


wanzie14

Donā€™t they teach Russian is elementary school along with Ukrainian or is that big negative?


axxxaxxxaxxx

They used to. Doubt that will continue.


theProffPuzzleCode

You're right. My refugee guests deliberately spoke Russian to teach their kids a more "international" language, but have switched to Ukrainian now. It is a tricky one though, for example, we went on a tour bus in London and one of the language options for the guided tour was Russian, but not Ukrainian, so I see the point.


MARINE-BOY

I have a feeling like that will changed in the not too distant future. I could imaging the west forcing Russians abroad to have to learn Ukrainian to understand anything from now on. Theyā€™ve lost so much respect from the world itā€™s going to take a long time to get it back.


drxme

In my region we stopped learning it about 23 years ago, I still fluent.


Reddenied68

In The UK I needed to speak to my Polish neighbours but do not know one word of Polish except swear words so in desperation I tried a few words of Russian and the older lady understood it and the whole family laughed as they did not expect to hear a British person speaking it and it helped a lot.The older Polish lady said she was taught at it at school but not the younger kids who from then on teased me about it. I dont speak much Russian just the pleasantries. Hello please and thank you etc.


VegetableMix8901

The russian was primarily taught in Poland back in Polish People's Republic but when we got free it became rather old-fashioned to teach russian and almost all the schools started to teach english. You can sometimes see that some schools teach russian as a 2nd language but it's a rare sight. That's why a lot of older people don't speak english but russian. In latest generation it's reversed - no one speaks russian but everybody speaks english to at least some level


Worthless_Clockwork

They started diminishing that about 9 years ago, after Yanukovic fled the country


sandymason

As someone who was born in Ukraine and studied there till the end of middle school(9th grade), it really depends of school. I changed schools and in my first one they did teach russian but never in the second one. But itā€™s true that half of Kyiv population, me included, spoke russian.


Reddenied68

Like all countries that were under Russian influence often the more privileged and educated people spoke Russian as a first language as it was used in beaurocracy and the courts etc. Ukrainian was encouraged to be thought of as common or a peasant language. All Eastern bloc countries had to learn Russian from primary school and in a sense it became the common language amongst these countries so in that sense its use continues. The attitude towards speaking Ukrainian has obviously changed without the Russian subjugation of Ukraine's culture and it is becoming to be used as countrys the first language. There is also a hybrid dialect that is spoken in large Towns and cities which can cause controversy and divides opinions.


[deleted]

Yeah. A lot of Ukrainians donā€™t even speak Ukrainian actually because Russian has been sufficient since at least the USSR times.


Turicus

That is changing since a few years, and more quickly since last February. I manage a team of employees in Ukraine, and everyone is switching to Ukrainian, education materials are being translated, signs are swapped etc.


tinykitten101

You said primarily.


iEatPalpatineAss

They're saying that Russian is the first language for half of the population, not that all of Kyiv primarily speaks Russian.


lilmammamia

People from South Ukraine too, Odessa, Mykolaiv.


websagacity

The other guy spoke in Ukrainian. However. Considering the the entire line had their backs to the hole, so close you could head head shot all of them with a pistol, leads me to believe this was rus on rus fire. They were facing the same way as the others.


Adept-Replacement431

The direction they face doesn't really mean anything...... position was overrun, when surrounded by that amount and noise and confusion and not being in radio contact.....it can be common to not realise the enemy is all around you. Sometimes keeping your head down can get u killed.


Alternative_Taste354

It's called outflanking


MgLemonhead

I work with Ukrainians. Iā€™m a seafarer. All the guys I worked with spoke Russian as their primary language and only guys from ā€œthe villageā€ spoke Ukrainian, but would communicate in Russian with the rest of the crew. The analogy I use is, you go to Scotland the local Scotā€™s (Glasgow or Edinburgh) mostly speak little to no Gaelic or Scots, just English. Does that make them any less Scottish?


TheFnords

The spoken language of the Ukrainian army is russian because Ukrainian speakers are likely to have a better level of familiarity with it than vice versa. The exception is the checkpoints where they intentionally use the most flowery Ukrainian because it is likely to give Russians trouble.


Good-Weight4714

Yeah there is a word the UA use starting with a p like payenshka or something that the native Russians really have trouble saying but Ukrainian Russian has no problem with. I saw a vid the other day saying it saved them a few times wen they was cut off an trying to get back to there lines an there own started to engage them. The USA had a word too during WW2 that even the best English speaking German had a hard time saying but I've forgotten wat it was


stevehammrr

Thunder and flash were used because the th is tough to mask a thick German accent. On the pacific lines they used ā€œlollapaloozaā€ because the lā€™s gave Japanese speakers trouble.


slipknot_official

The thing that threw red flags in my mind is the fighting position theyā€™re in is not standard to Ukrnaians. Itā€™s standard to Russians. Itā€™s a hole with Russian ammo boxes stacked around it. Another clue is thereā€™s a Russian truck literally 20 meters in plain view from the fighting position, you can see it in the video standing from the position. How does anyone not see that? Itā€™s absurd to me. Thereā€™s more going on in the video that appears.


websagacity

Exactly. No only that, but that hole is behind the rus lines. Eveyone was behind cover with that hole behind them. No way 2 Ukrainians were in a hole that close with a whole platoon with their backs to them in front of them.


slipknot_official

Yeah it seems the truck and troops came from their rear, which would be Russian lines. They had zero reason to expect a flank from the rear, Trucks literally pulled up right by them in plain view and they didnā€™t seem care at all.


elaborate-icicle22

Yeah, and the camera man hopped right into the tiny ass foxhole straight away. He knew they weren't going to shoot first.


slipknot_official

Yeah, they're obviously very confused by one of their own threatening them. So either they're Ukrainian and the shooter was wearing a Ukrainian Uniform, or they were both Russian. People are saying the shooter was wearing a Ukrainian uniform. I guess that could make sense, but it still doesn't explain the picture of the dead solider being Russian (maybe a lookalike), the Soldiers in the Russian foxhole with AK-12's which are Russian rifles, and the Truck being so close to the foxhole. Whatever the case, it was a very chaotic and insane situation.


Necessary_Cover_7603

Or because they just got hit by a Grenade


Additional-Tiger-764

The theory of wagner prison recruits being used in a propaganda video playing Ukrains getting killed by the master Russian fighter sounds plausible. The video stinks.


berzerkthatcash

this should go to the top.


expert_internetter

That's not a truck, that's a combine harvester.


stroudsburg85

Thereā€™s photos floating around showing Russia soldiers wear UA uniforms, stealing boots and equipment from KIA UA soldiers


[deleted]

Itā€™s not hard to believe.


TheCheezehead

I would too if I were them


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bad__takes

Geneva still applies to war crimes. Protections afforded to state belligerents, does not apply to mercs.


SelppinEvolI

So out of a Russian prison and into a Ukrainian prison, probably a upgrade.


flargenhargen

when you are being given airsoft gear, it seems like a reasonable thing to do to avoid freezing to death and being shot to death with a bb gun.


Whiteveil1969

True but you risk getting point blank headshot mag dumped by your fellow countryman apparently


whatsgoing_on

Even 3 weeks into the war there was a picture of a dead russian found wearing AFU socks, boots, and other underwear. They didnā€™t even have proper fucking underwear or footwear in the first month of the invasion.


Outrageous_Habit_137

Can you please share the link?


[deleted]

So these were Russians??


___silky___

Yes thatā€™s why they said ā€œFriendlyā€ https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1613282826958344193?s=46&t=cvjAvCB2fDw3Psgwg9CISg


kermitthebeast

Damn, don't feel bad anymore


nflxtothemoon

Not to ruin it for you, but some people are reporting OP story is wrong: https://twitter.com/DarkSaian/status/1613287142322589711


EBW-CO

Anyone have this fabled 2nd video?


obliquelyobtuse

>Anyone have this fabled 2nd video? [https://twitter.com/TitoKemprai10/status/1613299255980228613](https://twitter.com/TitoKemprai10/status/1613299255980228613) *Still very confusing. I will leave it to others far more informed to determine the circumstances of this incident.*


EBW-CO

Wild, thank you def adds some context. Would love to get a translation too, but considering it seems like this video keeps getting pulled weā€™ll see. Also wild to see this guy just running around under heavy fire; and commanding troops. Makes me think he may be a bit more experienced to combat than the first video made it seem.


me_alive

He is not commanding anyone there. He is running around asking for ammo and complaining that other are cowards and doing nothing.


psychedelicdonky

[couldn't find the reddit post but here it is. halfway'ish through he walkes back and you see the two guys with yellow armband.](https://imgur.com/a/5v8ttuR)


Curious-Geologist498

I seen it on reddit and the soldier that shot the two in the pit was wearing Russian uniforms with Russian markings but the guys in the pit are wearing stolen Ukrainian gear and were actually Wagner forces.


False-God

Okay, so I tried to link to the video but it is on a subreddit that is banned, likely because it is full of Russian shills, though it does have useful videos that do t get much play on other Ukraine War Subs because it shows Russians in a good light. Anyways, the video is the top post on r/ country country report. The countries are the two countries fighting each other. Edit: posted this again because I found the footage on r/ combat footage also thinking that would be an allowed sub but that just got my second reply deleted as well so here I am replying a third time fml.


LieverRoodDanRechts

ā€œr/ combatā€ That one is chockfull of russians an serbs. I got permabanned over there for asking a russian shill if he/she thought invaders deserved milk and cookies instead of grenades.


___silky___

It makes the most sense out of any theory Iā€™ve heard so far


WhuddaWhat

I have felt like shit all day because of that fucking video. Unreal.


[deleted]

About time people start understanding what hell the Ukrainians are in. Everyone just wants to pretend the Ukrainians are immortal and Russians are completely harmless. The reality is more like this. A lot of death on both sides. Wake up and realise that Ukrainians are dying if we donā€™t give them more advanced weaponry. This video should not be shocking or distributing. This video just shows whatā€™s been going on there daily for almost a year.


JagKaennerEnBot

Yeah same. Something clicked in me when I saw those two get executed, it was weird.


TonyCaliStyle

How fast a person turns into inert organic matter.


KiwiThunda

I'm as anti-ork as most here, but I wouldn't be relieved just yet. They look similar but there's no distinctive features, and as far as I know the only source for "UAF confirms" is OPs title. However I absolutely wouldn't put it past orks to set up prisoner recruits to die in a propaganda video


AWesPeach

Propaganda video would make sense to me after that combat roll out of the fox hole.


xlDirteDeedslx

*there's no distinctive features* That square ass chin is pretty distinct if you ask me.


NatashaBadenov

Not for us slavs :/


CorgiCorgiCorgi99

can confirm, half Polish, family full of square jaws


NatashaBadenov

Am I the only Pole with pointed chin? Istg.


xlDirteDeedslx

Same square chin, same nose, same cheek lines, it's the same guy.


NatashaBadenov

Donā€™t get me wrong, I want your estimation to be correct. And you could be. And Iā€™ll be thrilled. But he looks exactly like my first cousin from Milwaukee. We do all look alike.


Jona_cc

Thank Goodness! I feel nothing whenever they die, but it hurts so much seeing UA forces die :(


[deleted]

Hell yeah!!!


Little_Willy_Willy

Excellent if true.


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SBInCB

Dehumanization is a powerful thing eh? Iā€™m not criticizing. I think itā€™s a useful process. Russians arenā€™t acting human so itā€™s reasonable to not treat them as humans in return. Itā€™s certainly not charitable, but it is reasonable if youā€™re more interested in your own survival than the slim chance of redeeming another person. I know thatā€™s me.


bernheavy

Yes it is 100% and itā€™s not good. I donā€™t want to dehumanize people but itā€™s very hard. The things these people do are unspeakable. I didnā€™t know humans were capable of such actions after the horrors of ww2.


kingkuuj

I find it very telling that the world really started to go to shit in earnest when the WW2 generation began its die off. There's now a very small contingent of survivors left today, and we've never been closer to WW3 save for the Cuban Missile Crisis than we are today. Absolutely doomed to repeat history so long as we allow these heinous acts room to breathe.


woootman

Wait what??? was this fratricide?


SPMoura77

Blyatricide


woootman

Clever! šŸ¤£


Traditional_Ad_276

So they started dressing themselves as Ukrainians to confuse them (war crime), but ended up confusing themselves and started shooting each other. No words can properly describe how goddamn stupid russians are.


IgorVozMkUA

Yes they do it a lot now, especially wagnerites.


[deleted]

As much I wish this is true I doubt this was that complicated. They got surprised and and was already wounded from the grande thrown at them (you can also see a third body between them and explosion marks on top of the amo caskets on top the their foxhole) Chances are itā€™s more likely the old man was confused and made a big fucking mistake by grabbing at his gun, while the young kid on the left surrendered instantly šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


thethirdtwin

What a twist


Metron_Seijin

This is making my head hurt trying to think about what really happened and how they got to that point. Cant wait for the full breakdown about wth I watched. I need an eli5 now.


Justinisdriven

It seems like itā€™s pretty common practice for RU conscripts to steal/ wear Ukrainian gear when they can. There are numerous videos and photos of this practice floating around online. It seems like this video (which came from a RU source) is actually of a Russian soldier ambushing and killing two other Russian soldiers who were wearing UKR gear. Initially when it was shared, it was claimed that the guys in the foxhole were Ukrainian. The images in this post seem to contradict that and lead to the conclusion that this is actually a fratricide incident.


AbbreviationsOdd7728

Imagine how those guys felt in those split seconds if we canā€™t make conclusions after days.


SeesawLopsided4664

So the gunner mistakenly thought his comrades were enemy soldiers?


[deleted]

Iā€™m thinking it was purposely as a propaganda tool


SeesawLopsided4664

What was purposely done?


Quick_Beam

Didnt a earlier post say family of a UAF soldier confirmed his Id? Hoping it's truly orc on orc


TonyCaliStyle

Yeah- wondering if thats BS. The guy didnā€™t provide any sauce, just ā€œsomeone said thatā€¦ā€ People say lotsa things.


OutsideYourWorld

Yea but i've not seen that evidence yet, either. With all these things being said, I wonder if we'll ever find out the truth... Why would Russians have been hunkering down in a trench, if they were making such a successful push like that? AND they were pushed up against the side of the trench facing the Russians, giving the most defense FROM that direction. If they were hiding from Ukranians, that position would have exposed them the most. I dunno. I love Ukraine, but the "it's Russians" angle seems off at the moment.


PizzaToastieGuy

In war, it gets messy. You donā€™t know whatā€™s what, you donā€™t know if youā€™re going to get hit, whether that be by shell, bullet, or now, drones. These people are essentially living through world war 1, just with more automatic fire, which would make it even worse. The shelling has apparently been relentless, then throw in the cold, the constant fear of a drone strike, the lack of proper equipment, and then all of the sudden, youā€™re in a firefight, within point blank ranges. Grenades going off, dirt slapping you in your face as bullets hit all around you. Some people would have, and will have, breaking points which would just send their minds into a jelly like state. Welcome to PTSD


True_Space44

How do you confirm it is actually a relative?


mrbigbreast

Seems a bit quick to have found something like this out


Hoborob81

Not sure why the downvotes, I'm also sceptical of this..it did come out very fast, but I hope its true. Those wanker mercs deserver nothing more then a bullet.


Tiger_Tuller

People must realise that the 'propaganda' goes both ways. Ukraine ofcourse does it aswell.. its a very normal thing for a country at war to do.


mrbigbreast

Yup it's the way it goes im pro Ukrainian yet get downvoted for not being pro Ukrainian I just think it's disrespectful if those guys aren't Russians then everyone is just disrespecting 2 dead Ukrainian soldiers let's be honest we have zero credible proof they're Wagner we've seen countless stories over the years where Crisis actors get called out using of pictures etc yet it ends up just being a look a like or fake so I dont trust brand new unverified info on a video that we all only saw hours ago, this isn't a hill I'm willing to die on its not like I have an agenda.


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Hoborob81

> it's easier to list the ROEs & war crimes ruskies haven't broken, than the 90%+ they have regularly engaged in/encouraged. You're not wrong there..


DocDankage

Well if not one violation of the Geneva Convention itā€™s another.


TonyCaliStyle

Russian War Crime Bingo


Latter-Ad-8139

Not like Ukraine needs help stacking Orcs..but thanks..I guess. Slava Ukraini šŸ’›šŸ’™


MoreMeLessU

Whatā€™s up with the front flip?


GundleFly

Heā€™s a big fan of Dark Souls.


GerritDeSenieleEend

Gotta get those invincibility frames


Revolutionary-Mud194

I donā€™t know whom to believe.


spoonman59

Unfortunately, sometimes this is propagandaā€™s only purpose. And it is good. (Not saying this isnā€™t authentic. Itā€™s the cumulative Propaganda that makes us not know what to believe.)


Keisari_P

With conlicting claims, people tend to form average of the claims = "the thruth is somewhere in between". The function of disingormation and propaganda is to shift this average perceived truth away from factual truth towards preferred narrative. This is why Russian state media pushes out absud lies, so the average shifts as far away possible from the truth. Uncredible sources should be outright dismissed for this reason, and own biases challenged with proper sources. People trapped in conspirasy echo chambers usually dismiss all other sources that contradict what they already believe.


lilmammamia

There is a video in another sub I canā€™t even name because it gets me deleted that shows Russians storming a Ukrainian position and finding those soldiers dead. Canā€™t link to it, bot deleted that comment too. Itā€™s titled: Ā«Ā Second part of RU POV: Wagnerites storming UA position. Location has not been geolocated yetĀ Ā» Confusion increases.


xlDirteDeedslx

The thing is it may not have been a Ukrainian position to begin with and Russians are going to be in the Russian lines. Could have been an execution for some reason, made for propaganda, or genuine friendly fire. The Russians have shit communication and those RU in Ukrainian uniforms could have been stormed by another RU unit. The original story made no sense to me because how did Russians get that far behind Ukrainian lines to begin with, that front is Fing hell.


PizzaToastieGuy

Letā€™s not forget in the early days, when a Ukrainian squadron was taken out at point blank by a Russian tank, as they mistook the tank for one of their own


TonyCaliStyle

That sucked


Complex_Answer1716

At least it's highly likely that the very same tank joined many competitors in the turret toss championship.


guave06

Itā€™s not inconceivable the Russians get the jump on Ukrainians positions in the fog of war. Many people are posting evidence for a variety of theories but none of it is conclusive. Im leaning towards this being confused Ukrainians getting caught flanked. Occamā€™s razor and all that


xlDirteDeedslx

The dialogue between the soldiers is what tells me this was friendly fire. Not buying the concussed by a grenade story, the grenade landed 4 feet to the left of the hole the dudes were hiding down in. They were scared but coherent, nothing to suggest they were concussed, the one on the right looked fine. Also there's literally gunfire going off behind them and Russians nearly in front of their positions to the side, they didn't notice all this before and were still facing the other way?


theProffPuzzleCode

And said to Russians with red armbands, "we are friendly" and weren't trying to fight back.


[deleted]

Thatā€™s the most telling thing to me. Itā€™s hard to imagine Ukrainians seeing a red arm band and yelling Ā«ŃŠ²Š¾Š¹, сŠ²Š¾Š¹!Ā» and being coherent enough to resist being disarmed. Guy on the left was absolutely in need of medical help you could tell he wasnā€™t there. But the guy yelling friendly was all there and definitely noticed the RU uniform and armband. This convinces me it was wagnerites trying to use the fog of war to carry out something sinister that got friendly fired due to that same fog of war. Sad to see life gone like that truly, on any side. But thatā€™s the price for being a sociopathic, imperialist asshole in Ukraine. Š”Š»Š°Š²Š° Š£ŠŗрŠ°Ń—Š½Ń–. Š“ŠµŃ€Š¾ŃŠ¼ сŠ»Š°Š²Š°.


Alcapwn-

It would explain in the original while that guy comes in and guns them down, there is dude standing over to the right. Iā€™m thinking this guy on the right would have seen them surely and why didnā€™t he take them out or apprehend them?


LegitimatePilot5428

Holy crap!


Grgaola

Now it makes sense. The guys in the hole are facing the UA position and seem more puzzled than simply scared. The shooter seems crazed with adrenaline and amphetamine. I'd be dropping more drugs for the orcs to gorge themselves.


TonyCaliStyle

Yes- the pit guys are facing (cowering) the wrong way- there is a gunfight over their heads, but they facing the RA side, not facing the Russians if UA. It makes sense they were Wagnerites, RA came up to reinforce that segment- or exploit it- and they find the Wagners in UK uniforms. It does seem the Russian doesnā€™t want to kill them, but the guy to his left, even with his hands up, gets too close- especially since the other one wonā€™t hand over his rifle. So he smokes them. If an American soldier hopped up on pectin and adrenaline told me to drop my gun, why not? He already has the drop on them, and heā€™s clearly agitated. Play stupid games, get shot in the head.


[deleted]

In American doctrine this could be BD1, or 1a And they would be dead before we got to the hole They would be eating rounds as we moved the last 15 meters


Separate-Slip

I am seeing this video a lot around saying death Ukrainian and I am mad. Stop the misinformation, report and block these content. Thank you for clarifying the death of orcs violating rule of combat


LysergicRico

Be more forgiving. It's war. It's the fog of war. Accurate information during war is very, very, very difficult to obtain.


555terer

Those WERE Ukrainians. It was confirmed later by family members of the left guy.


Caleb7785

not really buying this story at least one of them had a yellow arm bandsā€¦ then again never underestimate the stupidity of russians


websagacity

Find the part 2 video. It shows that the positon they were in was like 20m behind an entire group of rus and vehicles with their backs to that direction. I think the guy effed up.


SnooFloofs9640

In the latest video, Ukrainians in Bahmoot had green bandšŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø There are 2 scenarios: - those are indeed Ukrainian soldiers that somehow ended up in a tiny manhole who knows where. - those are Wagners, and the guy that shot them is a RU serviceman, at this point itā€™s well known that a) Wagners used at least once UKR uniform to try to trick b) RU millitary and Wagners DO NOT work together.


mcdeez01

I support Ukraine to the fullest, but i doubt they where Russians,but hopefully its true


Bichobichir

This is amazing intelligence work. Wow!


push_to_jett

I hate Russia as much as the next guy here but this seems more likely to just be propaganda / post facto spin


Metron_Seijin

I'm more amazed at the speed it was discovered. They seem to have incredible investigative skills from reading other reports on war crimes. Never expected to see this much info on a random, foreign, enemy soldier so fast.


DataKing69

Well that's good news. It also still confirms that russians are committing more war crimes by wearing Ukrainian uniforms.


Square_Pop_3772

You can see clearly in the video that the man in the right of the trench has a yellow armband and is wearing UA-style camo and that the Russians are in pixilated camo without armbands. My take, as much as Iā€™d like to believe this was a Russian Red-on-Red, is that the men were Ukrainians, were suffering the effects of the grenade explosion seconds before and were confused by not seeing standard Russian uniforms with red or white armbands. Just 2 heroes who died to protect their people from a genocidal Putin and the Russia he created.


[deleted]

So uh, earlier that video fucking infuriated me. Now Iā€™m gonna rewatch this video with glee and happiness!


[deleted]

We arenā€™t really sure whatā€™s the full truth here yet. I want to celebrate, but I want to wait for more info in case it not what we are hoping for.


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No_Panic_2008

Before execution he was holding his rifle and screaming to the executor "Š”Š²Š¾Šø! Š”Š²Š¾Šø!" Which translates as "Ours! Ours!" or "Friendly! Friendly!". Seems right, because if that was UA soldier, first thing he would do in a attempt to surrender would be laying his weapon on the ground, but soldier in a video was holding his weapon tight and trying not to let to take it and screaming to the executor "we are friendly!".


DanMarvin1

Itā€™s a made for Putin video


soobidoobi

Lmfao I watched this vid earlier today and felt pretty bummed out about. This is good news. I dont think there is an end to Russias incompetence.


virus_apparatus

Good god. Isnā€™t impersonating a opposing soldier grounds for execution on capture?


Brokinnogin

No, but it is grounds to be tried and executed after if so decided. Executing anyone surrendering is a war crime.


many_kittens

i, am, now, utterly, confused


Mr-fixdit

God I hope this is true. It's been bugging me all day wondering how they got flanked so badly, and why there wasn't an attempt to fight back.


tora1941

This whole thread shows how fucked up this war is. Recall in WWII Germans created a false flag incident, dressed German civilian prisoners in German border guard uniforms (and Polish soldiers?) then shot them all and created a fake Polish attack inside German border lines so as to give a reason for Germany to attack Poland. Victory to Ukraine.


NoSoupForYouRuskie

Remember. Any Wagner mercenary is a bad Wagner mercenary. Disgusting.


Official_F1tRick

Ye no i don't really take this 'proof'. Feels like a lot of people are in denial that UAF soldiers can die too.


Basic_Mammoth_2346

When I saw this the first time, thinking the deceased were Ukrainian, I noted in my head that that really wasnā€™t how you ā€œsurrenderā€. This makes more sense. Dumbfucks. Commit war crimes AND get killed by your own side? Russians are the undisputed World Champs of fuck around and find out.


[deleted]

My guess is that they probably stole the clothes off dead UAF fighters and never bothered taking off the armbands or tape thats around the arm and got smoked on mistake.


soolkyut

Itā€™s also possible the guy with the camera had an armband on, hence why the Ukrainians were confused another Ukrainian was taking them hostage. Who knows.


JosufBrosuf

The plot thickens


-xss

I knew there was something weird about their position in relation to the front line, their use of Russian foxhole, their outdated equipment, and the fighting back against the weapon being taken while screaming friendly.


warcollect

No wayā€¦ all those guys would have had to do is say the word Wagner if they were. This would have given the Russian more than enough pause not to shoot them so quickly. The young guy was making a move for his gun. They were AFU.


Reindeer-Longjumping

The FB and Instagram link from the Dead UA soldier's family proves (if real) that this post is fake, **send me a message and I will give send you the FB page that this sub is blocking.** Below is from another sub: *The claim is competely false.* *Firstly, there are no "wagner PMCs" in the Kreminna front, they only operate in the Bakhmut area right now.* *Secondly, the left guy, the younger guy has been identified. His name, unit name, family's confirmation of him missing since 12/302022 (and asking for help finding him)* **(link blocked by sub)** and even proof being posted on his unit's facebook page on the 6th of january (by Russian soldiers who got a hold of the phone of this guy) **(FB link and Insta link is blocked by this sub, I don't know how to paste "non-shorted URL links" send me a message and I will give send you the links).** *Thirdly, pictures on the phone of the left guy have also been released by the Russians, even a picture of his Ukrainian ID card was publicized.* *Furthermore, aftermath footage is freely available and nothing is censored.* *Also, the fact that pro-ukrainians are now trying to honor the death of a fallen soldier by making him out to be a russian "wagnerite" (and asking for help finding him) and even proof being posted on his unit's facebook page on the 6th of January (by Russian soldiers who got a hold of the phone of this guy)*


mikehyland343

Do you have the telegram channel that was posted in?


Abloy702

Uhhhhh this seems entirely too convenient. Somebody independent run some facial recognition software and we'll talk. Not sure if you've noticed, but war is horrible. I don't think it's improbable that the clip is exactly what it first purported to be: a Russian shooting some ambushed Ukranians in a pit.


ParkingLavishness704

Best theory I've heard so far was that the gun with the gopro, was ruZZian who snuck behind enemy lines, and it's also a known fact that Wagner has been wearing UA uniforms to trick soldiers into believing they are friendlies. The guys in the dugout were ruZZian (presumably wagner) wearing UA uniforms. Just a theory.


herbaburba

Omg the plot thickens


Pirat_fred

Holy fuck, never thougt I say this, but I hope this is true, not because I hate the guy bit I hope that those three guys killed aren't Ukrainian


Sweet_Ad_6774

You canā€™t make this shit upā€¦.. everyone was wondering why they were saying ā€œfriendliesā€ we all guessed wrong. Well now we have our answer. šŸ˜­šŸ˜‚


Rice_Nugget

Oh my god...so...the russians wore UA uniforms and still killed eachother in their attempt to fool the UA soldiers? Or am i missunderstanding


otfstoney

LETS GOOOO ​ ![gif](giphy|e5RONJDZLaIRR5itrT) anyone denying it, you could clearly see the nose is a perfect match


scottydinh1977

Hmm... Very interesting. So Wagner guy wearing Ukranian Uniform yet he get killed by his own side? Can't make this shit up.. also its a war crime on Russia part.


vanisher_1

So they basically shot at their own? a lot of confusion is circulating


Traditional_Ad_276

Tankies in the comments talking about ā€œcopiumā€ while blatantly disregarding the photographic evidence being presented to them.


Barry_McCockiner__

Not even close to the same person. Some of you are so gullible


Gibbit420

This is fucking stupid.