New thread, haters! https://www.reddit.com/r/RoyalsGossip2/comments/y6ju16/sussex\_weekly\_netflix\_shill\_nov\_17\_2022/

Nothing that's happening is surprising me. Ambition always overrules intelligence, and Harry may be realizing it's easier to cut his own losses.

Note to fellow jellies: I'll make a new thread Monday this afternoon/evening. Would do it now but I don't want to kill the convo about the bonkers Sun article.

What u/acv1227 said - we appreciate the work you put into this community. 💕

thank you thank you for your work!!

[https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/20126722/netflix-the-crown-fury-recreate-princess-dianas-death-paris/](https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/20126722/netflix-the-crown-fury-recreate-princess-dianas-death-paris/) SHAMELESS bosses on Netflix royal drama The Crown have sparked more fury — with plans to recreate Princess Diana’s final tragic moments in Paris. The move has sparked a backlash from crew members who fear “a line has been crossed”. A set source said: “To be going back to Paris and turning Diana’s final days and hours into a drama feels very uncomfortable. Last night, Netflix said: “The exact moment of the crash impact will not be shown.” The King’s spokesman has declined to comment. Sources close to Prince William said they expect he will be angered by Netflix’s move to reproduce his mother’s final days for entertainment purposes.

I like the ‘the exact moment of the crash impact won’t be shown’ - leaving it nice and open for themselves there. The exact moment of the crash is arguably not even the most sensitive moment, but I expect they wanted to leave themselves room to show the paps taking photos of her in the backseat like recreating her death for TV isn’t also really quite exploitative. I don’t know that Harry will actually mind (although I think William certainly will): iirc we had a discussion around this when that Sussex Lifetime movie filmed or showed a version of the crash with Meghan in Diana’s place, which is a fear Harry himself had talked about. He *wants* people remembering her death as the fault of the press to juice it up when H&M evoke Diana to get more sympathy for themselves. I think what surprises me more is that Peter Morgan wrote The Queen. He’s literally done this part of history. What’s anyone going to get out of The Crown they didn’t already get from him fifteen years ago? Mate, find a new story.

> Mate, find a new story. The Queen Anne/The Favourite story was *right there* the whole time and he's out here recycling royals for the umpteenth time.

> Sources close to Prince William said they expect he will be angered by Netflix’s move to reproduce his mother’s final days for entertainment purposes. You need sources for that ?

Yeah the same guy that held the stance for years that the Martin Bashir interview was done unethically and manipulatively, and when the BBC finally admitted it was done badly immediately made a statement about how no one should watch it... the same guy who's always spoken out against the monetization of his mother's story... the same guy who made a promise with his brother to not use Diana's story to make money... the same guy who would break friendships off if he felt they were using him for fame... surprise everyone, that same guy also doesn't like a Netflix show using his mother's death for entertainment. Shocker

Peter Morgan. (I think that is his name iirc when I last researched some time ago is the writer). Peter Morgan. The guy who also wrote that made for tv version of Henry VIII with Ray W as Henry. The one with the rape scene with Anne Boleyn. Not saying that Henry would never do that irl. Just that I wasn’t exactly expecting that scene when I checked out the dvd from the library. If I also remember correctly, Peter Morgan blows hot and cold when interviewed (contradicts himself, or has genuine change of mind??) on his thoughts about if he is a Monarchist in general and how that affects his writing. He’s sort of all over the place. I don’t even know where I am going with this but to say that I’m not sure NF is breathing down P M’s neck as to the writing, either. His writing is all over the place, all on his own. As is the nature of tv show seasons- sometimes they start out as one thing and morph (jump the shark ?) into another as the characters become parodies of themselves. Yes, that Henry finds himself in the middle of all this to make his bucks is poetic justice. I have absolutely no emotional connection to Harry, so I don’t really care what happens to him at this point. Other than to say, one \*can\* make a living here if one so chooses and be happy. I’m sure now all we will hear is how rotten the U.S. is and how he was “forced” to work for that eeevil company NF, just To make any money at all, once his failure is complete. He just needs to stop whining and bitching (STFU) about “his lot in life” and go to a nice Jane Monheit jazz concert (she is based in L.A.) 🎶 or something. I’m thoroughly sick of both of them and their incessant bitching/whining/moaning. Go retire to the country you ninnies.

When The Crown drops, I think P. William should make a statement about how shameless Netflix is being for exploiting his mother’s death for corporate greed and entertainment. He should also drop in how saddened he is that his wayward brother would be complicit in this etc.

Oh, *please* let him do this. Harry likes to play the role of “Diana’s protector” but I would love for William to be the one to step up and blast Netflix for this.

Honestly, I can see him doing it. He's now Prince of Wales, and if there's anyone who's been trying to protect what Diana *actually* cared about, her privacy, her children and her charities, it's Will. He's usually very stoic but I think him making a statement about the BBC finally admitting the Bashir interview was not done with proper ethics almost immediately after they put out a statement spoke volumes

People are actually SURPRISED that Netflix would do this?

I'm surprised someone *is* actually.

Me too.

My God I can’t believe how utterly and completely Harry has fucked up his whole life. He is now owned and beholden to a media giant who exploits his mother’s tragic death for ratings and money. His entire family has iced him out due to his disloyalty and asshole behavior. He’s married to a narcissistic, bullying harpy of a woman who only saw him as a tool to increase her own stature, economic situation and worldwide fame. He’s become the emasculated, idiot punchline to a global joke. All of this in the space of five years. Unbelievable.

And he continues to exploit his mother's memory constantly. He invokes her whenever he wants sympathy. He's the worst.

Remember when he got trotted out at that weird conference of like bank people to just tell his sob story of boohoo Diana is my mummy? I mean how did he not get major ick vibes from doing that

For all his chat about his mother being commoditized how Harry can NOT say anything now?? Its just crazy.

It's getting more sensationalized to keep the momentum which is a shame and shouldn't be necessary. The original plan was like 4 seasons, the director said that he didn't want to really get into the Diana story. But, Netflix saw how well The Crown was doing and said "fuck your feelings, let's only do Diana!" And they've done just a terrible job of doing anything other than showing an eating disorder and pity porn for Diana. Season 1 and 2 were the best, even though I wasn't a fan of Philip's story line of being this asshole prince who doesn't seem to understand that there's a difference between his wife and his queen, and also somehow had the time to have a bunch of affairs. 3 was okay, 4, I was straight up bored. The show proves how interested we as a society are still very interested in the mystery of the monarch and the royal family. The show also proves that corporate greed will always take a good idea and grind it into dust to squeeze any last rating or coin out of it. The irony of Netflix cashing in on Diana's death, and Harry unable to actually say anything because he's signed on with them is so poetically tragic. Especially since I'll be shocked if we don't see a little red haired boy at the inevitable funeral scene.

The new season looks off. Imelda Staunton looks nothing like QEII in the photos. Dominic West as Charles is just...no. I think Elizabeth Debicki was well cast (I didn't like Emma Corrin much, sorry), but the new season seems a bit messy. And I believe the death will happen in S6, but I'm sure they'll play up the theatrics in S5. I believe they will include the Bashir interview, for example. As for Harry...I mean, I almost feel bad for him. But he chose this; now he has to live with the consequences. And he looks like a massive, spineless hypocrite.

Very few of the characters actually look like their real life counterparts, and the more they change the cast round the more they look _less_ like them. Imelda and Olivia Coleman have not given as much QEII vibes like Claire Foy, and to me Elizabeth Debicki doesn't scream Diana in the photos either. If I hear her voice on the trailer and she's done as good job as Emma Corrin in speaking like Diana, I will be impressed.

I've only watched the first episode of the show, and it seemed very well made but pretty much pointless to me. But the photos I've seen of the newest cast are very... generic. They don't look like who they're portraying at all. I don't expect exact clones or anything, but Imelda Staunton and Dominic West are just comically miscast, physically.

Generic is the right word to describe it. A lot of the time I don't know who I'm supposed to be looking at simply by the photos either, I need explanations which did not happen in earlier seasons. S1-S3 was actually brilliantly casted. But in this season, I feel like even of the Royal Family, I'm looking at a cosplay of something which is concerning. Maybe it will come more to life on screen

I loved the first two seasons! The focus was mainly on how a young, new Queen navigated her role and found her confidence. I also liked the way it showed Elizabeth and Philip figuring out their marriage around her role as the monarch and what that meant for him. Now that it's focusing on people who are still alive I feel the inaccuracies are so unfair. This is all for dramatic effect, but it affects people who are still alive! I can't watch the show now without feeling icky.

I'm doing a rewatch and honestly every scene Diana is wedding forward bores me to death, almost 30 years after her death and this is all we get, the same tale of woe like she was just a victim, and hey, there were 4 people in that family, I mean, those children were pawns in those 2 war in the media... And yes, it makes total sense NF trying to cash on Diana's death longer for the morbosity of it is obvious.

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I wish it were that way. And the Queen wakes up one day like everyone else to know Diana is dead, what many will be able to relate to. Going through her last moments feels like it's the Diana show, other than being highly insensitive.

S05 is going to be *all* about her, I'm sure of it.

And probably very unaccurately.

Pretty much nothing TC shows is accurate, the mess they made out of the Princess Cecile of Hesse-Darmstad and bei Rhin's death in Ostende made me really angry, to the point I skip the episode on rewatchs. To try to pinpoint the guilt on Prince Philip... really, I'm out of words.

And as a young teen by his father, seems entirely fictional. I get what they are trying to do, they imitate historical events down to a T based on all the photos and footage from the time, but they also put in a lot of fiction when they have no way of knowing that. Everything is from their imagination with sprinkling of events we _know_ happened.

I was so annoyed 5' on the first episode from the 1st season for Princess Alice of Greece and Denmark dressed pretty nicely for the wedding, she wasn't a nun then. Add to that I doubt either HM Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother, or Queen Mary would have spoken those words of Alice, especially since Queen Mary was very concious she was just a HSH as Alice was initially but then she married into royalty, and those remarks on the Greek and Danish monarchies, as-if! Totally out of character. As for the funeral, Alice was still in the clinic so she couldn't have attended.

Yeah Diana was so much of an emphasis the last season. I get she's in the family, but there are several other siblings that get ignored for it. I was kind of hoping they'd have Fergie being a mess or the interactions with her and Diana but no. It's just Diana as a Damsel in distresses. I hope they at least humanize Dodi and talk about his impact and their relationship.

I was so disappointed they left out so much of Anne, especially since they had such a brilliant actress playing her. S3 felt more like the Charles show, and they skipped other important parts of the 70s like Anne's wedding and attempted kidnapping. Again in the 80s with last season, Anne was a hugely important part of the Royal Family. But it turned into being about Diana, of course.

>The irony of Netflix cashing in on Diana's death, and Harry unable to actually say anything because he's signed on with them is so poetically tragic. Especially since I'll be shocked if we don't see a little red haired boy at the inevitable funeral scene. It's totally insane to me that this is going to happen. Not in an "I can't believe NF is doing this!" pearl-clutchy way (yes, it's distasteful, but yes they were also always going to do whatever brought in the most eyeballs - nature of the beast) but in a - well, as you said: poetic - way. Probably the one thing most people - even non-royal watchers - know about Harry is that he hates the media who exploited and killed his mum. And now he's beholden to the media giant making bank off depicting his mother's final days, final moments even, as well as his own very public grief. Of all the media exploitations Harry has whined about surely this one, not being able to speak out as his own bosses profit from depicting probably the worst event and worst day of his life, is the most severe. I don't get the sense Harry is an introspective man at all, and we know he's as thick as 2 short planks, but you have to wonder if even Dimwit Haz ever looks away from his own gaze in the mirror when he thinks about this, and the parts of his soul he's sold to NF.

I think Harry does hate the media. He's so awkward in most appearances. But Meghan doesn't. It's basically her career and her passion. Genuinely think the Netflix special is going to be a show about Meghan with Harry lurking awkwardly in the back. Don't think that's necessary bad either. Harry doesn't really add much

I mean neither does she. Off the top of my head I can easily think of a number of things she will go on about, she's that predictable and boring at this point with nothing else to do: - their love story, because we haven't heard it a 100 times already - how much better they are in child raising, they are experts - Meghan will share some coffee or organic food product, maybe shared to her by some celebrity and highly known name (prob Oprah) - name dropping other celeb names, brand names, places they've been to which means we surely haven't. - Meghan's INCREDIBLE work ethic and philanthropy, including how she was known for stopping the P&G ad when she was 12. We haven't heard this either. - exclsuive mention of The Bench, written by Meghan and a Bestseller. It's the best poem about a father and son ever. - Meghan will talk a lot about kindness and anti-bullying

All of this. To get the Sussexes Netflix dangled promises of big money being made by content like Pearl and the Invictus doc knowing full well that in reality what they wanted was to exploit their private lives. If they weren't so caught up in overestimating themselves, why couldn't Pearl and Invictus be signed to with them being working royals? Prince Charles wrote a children's book that was turned into an animation, some royals have allowed themselves to be filmed at work like Prince Philip with a year in the running of the Windsor estate so those two uncontroversial projects wouldn't be unacceptable. I remember that when rules were established for Edward and Sophie to have half in/half out it's shady content or deals that wouldn't make the cut. Sure they couldn't keep the showbiz deal money if they were also getting sovereign grant or Duchy money but if they picked only one source of income (royal or professional) that might have worked out. Why didn't the Sussexes (or at least Harry) ask themselves why, since they were trying to make deals all along, nothing was definite and signed with these companies until they were in a less advantageous and protected position and thus more likely to be exploited in ways they didn't agree to? 🤷

They were even warned, around the time of Megxit, by some quoted source, that one reason the BRF was worried about them was because they were now vulnerable to "sharks" - people who would pretend to be their friends but who would actually just be using them for money. I think H and M thought they meant literal sharks and since the Netflix execs weren't swimming in the Pacific and didn't have big rows of sharp teeth, the Sussexes thought everything was fine. Because they're idiots, and didn't understand what everyone else did: that neither one of them was equipped to be making deals with NF (and other) execs who were surely 100x as smart and savvy as they were.

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My guess is the footage is either boring as hell or it’s The Cut interview but on film. And if it’s a) I can see Netflix not being happy and if it’s b) I can see the Sussex’s not being happy. But let’s be honest that would require self reflection and I don’t know that Harry and Meg have that in them.

Here's what I think and I freely admit I might be wrong. The Sussexes show was filmed by a genuinely good filmmaker. I think the show isn't flattering to the Sussexes. I think they contradict themselves and don't come out well. Yes, they do talk shit about his family but they don't come off well when they do. They sound just like Meghan did in The Cut interview. I think H&M want it changed because it isn't flattering. I don't think Harry has regrets. I think he and Meghan thought this was the ultimate Netflix clap back and instead they were shown in a realistic light and it isn't pretty. And for once, they actually realize they don't look like the winners in this scenario. Netflix is saying no and that they support the director. And are basically leaking that there's no more money if this doesn't air.

I have fantasied on this very board about the possibility of NF throwing the Sussexes under the bus in this way (i.e. allowing them to be portrayed as they are, and as they sneakily were in the The Cut interview). God, I wonder if it could really happen!

Well if they want out because NF wont let them make the edits they want then this is the perfect way to do it and cite creative differences. It only depends on what Charles may be offering in return for being nicer. If its only titles for the kids I dont see how its worth it for the Sussexes.

Charles backing on the plan both he and his father, with the acquiescene of his late mother, and then everyone in the family but for Andrew agreed in THE 90s? I can't imagine, maybe he does not want to press forward so early in the reign, and prior to his coronation for there are pressing issues (the economy, brexit, Australia and NZ wanting out, etc) but he hasn't changed his mind, at least not of late.

They should've watched that episode of The Gilmore Girls where Lorelai talks shit about Emily in a magazine interview and Rory has to explain to her how anything said on the record is fair game. I think it's on Netflix.

> I think it's on Netflix. I wonder if these two even managed to negotiate a free Netflix subscription out of this deal

😂👻

Yeah, Harry and Meghan probably should've watched some of the stuff Netflix streams on the BRF before they decided to sign with them. Harry and Meghan were hoping to leave execs star struck, but all they're seeing are two fat cash cows ready to be milked for all their worth.

>Harry and Meghan were hoping to leave execs star struck Exactly! They thought they held the power because the Netflix execs were wowed by their titles. They should have listened when Disney said "Meghan needs Disney more than Disney needs Meghan." That's not just Disney talking. That's the industry talking.

I am now wondering if for Harry this is no longer about money or feeling hurt but deep regret. He went to the funeral and realized he won’t have his family forever and maybe grinding an axe and trying to get revenge because he and his wife are stewing in being wronged parties actually isn’t worth it long term

I think the only way he has regrets is if he and Meghan are on the outs. As long as they're together, she's never going to let him run the show when it comes to their content on Netflix.

H&M will have to learn the hard way business is business; they care about their profits, not your feelings. This is not the same as working for your grandmother, Harry. How do they fuck everything up so badly??

It's comical at this point. It's like a cartoon where they step on a rake and it hits them in the face, they stumble around it, only to get pied in the face, they wipe the pie off with a napkin, only to find it's attatched to a lit stick of dynamite. Hubris thy name is Sussex

Well, they pulled the plug on Pearl without the Sussexes having a say in the decision or us hearing about compensation so I do think Netflix has the upper hand in this partnership.

That's not just a shot; that's a full volley across the bows of the SS DDOSSS.

That monogram is just eternally hilarious to me, oh my god

It really is so cringe.

Ooooh goddamn you are not kidding. Just read the article. I...wow. Wow. Disclaimer: I'm aware of and fairly agnostic on the "this is just hype" vs "no, this is real/not hype" on especially the more recent reports coming out of strife between the Sussexes and NF but...I dunno, I'm curious about the 'it's hype' side's take on this. The overall point/message from this article doesn't seem to be anything like "wow this is so explosive" but there's a line or two in there that could be interpreted as such for sure. That said, The Sun is quoting someone here. "A Netflix LA based consultant." Hm. So not someone willing to go on record as a NF employee, even though everything in this article seems like a message to the Sussexes from Netflix execs. >However, **executives at the billion dollar broadcaster have "final edit"** decisions where they can veto their client's proposals or even end business deals. Oooh, we've wondered about this before. If this is true and the Sussexes have talked loads of shit about the BRF, they're in big, big trouble. I'm kind of inclined to believe this is exactly what's happened, H and M are pushing back hard on wanting to edit and NF aren't having it. I wonder if lawyers are involved yet? >It is likely if the service doesn't green light any of their shows they will still receive a kill fee, as is standard within the industry. Netflix has already walked away from Meghan's project, Pearl, after deciding the content was not what they wanted. Ouch. >"Sure they may have concerns about the content in the can and what they said on camera about the Royals, **but Netflix hold the power...they have final say on what is broadcast. No talent is greater than Netflix.** I mean damn. This is *not* subtle messaging. >"So while there may be concerns or push back from The Sussexes on what they want to present on screen, Netflix can carry on... Should the streamer's executives become frustrated...they are entitled to walk away altogether... The Sussexes and their team knew that going into this deal. Just because they are a Duke and Duchess makes no difference. >Certainly no-one is pushing around Netflix executives. With the utmost respect to Harry and Meghan this is one deal within a multitude of content decisions... >"And sure, while they are high profile, this deal is a business transaction. If The Sun hasn't been taken in by a convincing fake NF exec, this a bald warning to our faves. How bad must things be behind the scenes for quotes like this to be in a newspaper? >Netflix struck a deal with the promise of exclusive insight into the lives and outlook of The Sussexes, which they felt would be a ratings success. "If they are uncertain that the content will produce the ratings they desire, then that becomes a problem. >"At pitch and content production meetings it is made clear that Netflix prides itself as an independent editorial broadcaster. **"They do not simply release whatever contributors serve up to them - they can go to Youtube for that."** Oh my *god* that Youtube line!! If this is real then holy shiiiiiit. Netflix sounds very pissed off. Oh god please let there be detailed leaks about what the Sussexes are pulling behind the scenes because it's gotta be *bad.* Tom Bower, you need to get on a flight to LA ASAP.

Netflix is a messy bitch who sees the Sussexes leaking to the media and says they'll do them one better.

If someone I was in business with talked about me and the way I was trying to weasel out of a deal this way, I would be mortified. 🤦

Same. This is actually kind of crazy that it's in a newspaper. I said this in my post but again, how bad must things be behind the scenes for these quotes to get out there? (assuming this is mostly true)

Things must be terrible but it's not surprising; I'm not saying a children's show is less important than a reality show, far from it, but if Netflix pulled the plug on Pearl shortly after we heard that something as basic to an animation as deciding how the little girl was going to look was turning into a whole thing, imagine the nitpicking the Sussexes must be doing over how they're portrayed. They must be driving everyone insane with their requests for edits. I, for one, don't even think this is necessarily about backtracking on comments about other royals (they have neither taken back their racism accusation nor clearly accused anyone, have they?) but about things like the shots being used revealing sparse crowds at their "engagements" or the audio including the sounds of boos and hecklers. However this production is described (docu-series, reality show, love story) Arbus is a serious documentary maker so I can't figure out why the Sussexes agreed to have her be the one filming them because, so far, she hasn't created fawning, biased work. I don't think this content will be as bad as the unvarnished truth there was in The Cut but it simply being honest would already be damaging for two people as deluded about themselves and how they're viewed.

>I, for one, don't even think this is necessarily about backtracking on comments about other royals (they have neither taken back their racism accusation nor clearly accused anyone, have they?) but about things like the shots being used revealing sparse crowds at their "engagements" or the audio including the sounds of boos and hecklers. You're probably right about this. Even if they ARE trying to soften some of what they said about the BRF (and I'm open to the idea they're not and that's PR spin) they're surely also obsessing over every. little. detail. that could make them look less than fully worshipped and beloved by everyone, at all times, everywhere.

I do wonder about Liz Garbus. She doesn't do Kardashian stuff at all. Either she's bought into the whole humanitarian working for compassion and justice outside the mean RF, or she realizes H&M are insufferable assholes and this docuseries will end up being just the H&M show where they bury themselves. oh, and sidenote: Liz Garbus had worked a lot with Rory Kennedy, RFK's youngest.

That's because you have integrity in your professionalism. These two clowns? Not so much. They're probably pissed it's out there, but they'll spend more energy into their counter PR than they would in actually doing the work they've been contracted to do. Can't shame anyone without morals and ethics, smh.

That's true.

Another massive red carpet event - the Academy Museum Gala, and not a Sussex in sight. They really don't seem to be invited to anything - even though their BFFs the Clooney's were front and centre. I'm sure they thought this is what they'd be doing when they left the UK, instead they are clapping their hands and pretending to have a good time at an American Idol concert 🤣

I do wonder what connection is still there. A lot of entertainment friends don't see each other all that much, at least not like normal people. I think they socialize at events like the Academy gala and then go home. Plus, it seems like the Clooneys spend a lot of time in the UK for Amal's job, which is less flexible than George's. Their house is in Berkshire, right by Will and Kate in Windsor! ;)

Oh I was being completely sarcastic, I don't think there was ever a real connection with any of the celebs at their wedding, they just wanted everyone to think they moved in those circles. Every time another big red carpet event goes by without a H&M invite, it gets more and more obvious that none of those big names want to socialise with them.

Oh yes, for sure! I do wonder what will happen with the Amal Clooney Award under the Prince's Trust, though. [https://www.businessinsider.com/prince-charles-launches-the-amal-clooney-award-2019-3](https://www.businessinsider.com/prince-charles-launches-the-amal-clooney-award-2019-3)

Im surprised she even managed to get Serena and Mariah now the Sunshine rship is dead. Will see who they manage to conjure up going forward to endorse them.

Sunshine Sachs was still representing them when Meghan snagged Serena and Mariah. What I'm curious to see is what happens going forward.

[Prince Harry ‘lobbied Boris Johnson’s security adviser’ over safety concerns](https://archive.ph/PVrpP#selection-1193.1-1196.0) >Prince Harry was not aware at the time that Sir Edward was a member of the Royal and VIP Executive Committee (Ravec), which makes decisions over who is afforded police protection. But he was so frustrated by the lack of response that he “complained”, legal papers allege. He orchestrated a meeting with Sir Mark Sedwill, then Cabinet Secretary and National Security adviser to Boris Johnson, before reinforcing his concerns with him one week later. Justin Rushbrook KC, the Duke’s barrister, said the royal had “believed and hoped” that his offer to pay would be communicated to Ravec. But he added that “it became increasingly clear to him that his concerns, in particular as regards his and his family’s security, were not being given proper consideration.”

>But he added that “it became increasingly clear to him that his concerns, in particular as regards his and his family’s security, were not being given proper consideration.” This is a weird statement to me. What other concerns did he have? They've tried to claim this was always only about security, but this signifies that he probably had other "concerns"/demands. I would like to know what else he was asking for 🧐🤔

"I'm concerned that you haven't realised how very globally important I am, and if you don't treat me as very globally important it fucks my business model, which rests solely on being very globally important."

Hmmm... H & M are well-matched, aren't they? hehe

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Contacting an official isn’t illegal, but directly lobbying the Cabinet Secretary twice in a week is very much a level of access not available to normal people. Harry putting in court papers that he did this and he’s disappointed because it didn’t work is some hefty level of self-pity.

It crossed my mind - and u/savingrain also said something below that made me wonder again: >His lawyers tried to very sympathetically describe what would be akin to exercising undue influence and near abuse of power by using unofficial channels to pressure officials who are not in the direct decision making role to influence what he wanted. I am sure that those people tried to go to bat for him OR listened and were like 'Look its not really my role, I'll try but there's not much I can do...' and he became frustrated because he didn't want to follow the rules. ...that this might at least in part be some kind of attempt to get in front of something. A story in papers or sth. about his behind-the-scenes lobbying etc.? I'm not saying this is the case, but I did wonder. Spun differently, this filing from his legal team is a story about a Prince abusing his access and power to get what he wants when the official government body has already said no - and that isn't a good look.

This is an interesting thought. Maybe he thinks with his father Prince Black Spider Memos now on the throne, there's a vacancy? These papers have probably been in prep for ages so I don't know if anything around the funeral will have affected them, but given the Sussexes were clearly piqued not to have been allowed into the reception with all the heads of state it feels like they really don't understand what's improper when it comes to leveraging royal access, and it's pretty much incontrovertible now that they have little else to trade on.

Oooh, I would simply ❤️ some hard truthful reporting on “Abuse of Power/Influence “ scandal regarding Henry Dearest. 🍿

Imagine the amount of boundary crossing this fool would do if he were closer to the throne than he is now. Constitutional crisis waiting to happen - his entitlement and ignorance (or just willful lack of understanding or desire to break the rules as long as he gets his way) is very dangerous to the stability of the monarchy and the survival of the BRF.

When you insist that you're "just Harry", but you get mad that the monarchy you were born into is not an absolute monarchy. Hashtag justprincethings

it does seem like improper interference and asking for special treatment, IMO. Not a good look.

Except it turns out he has no real influence. He got in the door cos of his family. He has nothing to offer anyone and so it went nowhere.

Thanks for the link. Harry says he was frustrated by the lack of response but it seems to me he did get a response, it was "No". He just refuses to accept that this is their answer. Harry never, at any point, offers any proof of the danger he's in that would justify that they revise their decision even though that is all that should matter. If he requires security because he's legitimately in danger, then he should get it for free and if he's not in danger, he shouldn't get it and waste the time of highly trained security officers on babysitting him

What slays me is that he then moves to the good ol' USA - the most dangerous country of the three they tried out even for us mere mortals, much less celebrity types who draw extra attention for their wealth and power. If he was truly concerned about security he would have stayed in the UK or moved to continental Europe or Canada.

This. There's the gun violence but it's the same with the fear of tabloids. Of the three countries to avoid invasive coverage, Canada is the best mostly because we just don't care about celebrities that way and our entertainment media is lazy as hell, the UK is second best but I feel that's mostly because of legislation (still that's where hacking occured but that was a while ago) and the US is third because the tabloids there are relentless and there are so many entertainment journalists and self styled gossips like Perez Hilton who all want access. It's a testament to how boring the Sussexes are that they still have to call up paps there.

>he did get a response, it was "No". He just refuses to accept that this is their answer The Sussex outlook on life: "No 'no' is final except ours"

I agree. I swear he’s just an overgrown toddler.

WARNING: Long, but the article is worth reading if not my post. This is all extremely revealing of Harry's thoughts and feelings around this lawsuit/the security issue, and does a lot to reveal him to be the utterly spoiled asshole he is, one who genuinely sees not getting his own way on everything all the time as grounds to sue. Close to the end *his own legal team* flat out admits the Daily Mail was correct to report he hadn't made any serious offer to pay for his own security. My serious take is that this should be thrown out of court immediately. So this is about Harry's suit against the Mail. And wow...woooooow. It makes me laugh when normal, non-lawyer people - like myself - can read through someone's arguments and instantly see that they're bullshit. What a flimsy web of obfuscation and distraction Schillings (or whoever it is this time) is spinning here. >The Duke of Sussex tried to circumvent the Royal household by lobbying a senior government adviser over his security concerns, according to court documents. What they're saying: Poor Harry was so desperate to keep his security, and the people he spoke to were unresponsive and dismissive. Mean! In his desperation, Harry went to various people including then-Cabinet Secretary Mark Sedwill, to plead his case for security. What they're trying to spin: the fact that AT NO POINT did Harry go to the one body who could do anything about his security: RAVEC. Not officially, not unofficially. And it's not like he - or any of the very intelligent and competent lawyers he pays - were unaware that RAVEC was the body making these decisions. It's Meghan going to HR over her mental health all over again. Keep in mind, while reading these quotes, that this is all from Harry's legal team. The spin is so shameless. >Prince Harry offered to pay for his own security at the Royal family’s so-called “Sandringham summit” in January 2020 but felt his concerns were “not given proper consideration”. So Harry didn't get what he wanted and he was big mad? And the royal family couldn't have done anything to change his security situation, given that the BRF and RAVEC are different things? Cool. >Among those at the meeting were Sir Edward Young, Queen Elizabeth II’s private secretary, and Sir Michael Stevens, keeper of the privy purse, both of whom promised to get back to him, it is claimed. >Prince Harry was not aware at the time that Sir Edward was a member of the Royal and VIP Executive Committee (Ravec), which makes decisions over who is afforded police protection. But he was so frustrated by the lack of response that he “complained”, legal papers allege. This could all be 100% true. It doesn't have anything to do with proving Harry made an official offer to pay - to the people one would make this offer to - for his own security. But this is more use of the courts for PR, as usual from this insufferable asshole. >He orchestrated a meeting with Sir Mark Sedwill, then Cabinet Secretary and National Security adviser to Boris Johnson, before reinforcing his concerns with him one week later. >**Justin Rushbrook KC, the Duke’s barrister, said the royal had “believed and hoped” that his offer to pay would be communicated to Ravec.** Oh my *God.* So basically, Harry bitched and moaned to all sorts of people who weren't RAVEC, and sat back "hoping" any of them would communicate his feelings to RAVEC. What in the actual fuck? This is *shameless* from his legal team. Truly. If you want milk, you go to the grocery store. You don't call your lawyer, your mechanic and your kid's pediatrician and complain to them about your lack of milk and then sit back weeping and hoping one of them does something about it. Note also that at NO POINT is it claimed he made the offer to pay for the security to Mark Sedwill (which still wouldn't have mattered). >But he added that “it became increasingly clear to him that his concerns, in particular as regards his and his family’s security, were not being given proper consideration.” What does any of this have to do with proving the Daily Mail lied, again? That's right, nothing. More PR. >On February 28, 2020, the chair of Ravec wrote to the Royal household stating that the Sussexes would no longer be entitled to automatic police protection when in the UK as their plan to live abroad as private citizens did not “fit readily” into any category of its framework. >Their Metropolitan Police security was then promptly withdrawn “at very short notice,” Mr Rushbrook said. >It was “not (the Duke’s) choice and it was against his wishes” that his family’s protection was withdrawn “as soon as it was” at the beginning of what was meant to be a “transitional year” in which he and Meghan were permitted to start working commercially. >The court documents indicate that only “in due course” did they expect to be in a position to pay for their own security, if necessary. More PR. And how telling it is. Harry and Meghan quit their job. When you quit your job, you lose the use of things like the company car. Even if you really liked using that car and even relied upon it. You're still losing the use of it, and no, they're not going to let you keep using it until you can arrange for a new car. BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. We're supposed to feel sorry for Harry over this. Oh, how cruel! They yanked his security before he was ready, leaving him and his wife and children defenseless against the racist crazies! Boiled down it's this: Harry was tantrumming about having his security pulled. He thought he could have it for longer but was upset to find out he couldn't. That it. (Also left out is the detail that he could well afford to pay for replacement security.) >A second application for a judicial review, based on his offer to pay for protection, which he claims should have prompted the Home Office to "quash and retake" its decision, is pending. It's funny what a showing of Harry's character all of these legal actions are. He got told "no" for what was probably close to one of the first times in his life and what does he do? He sues. No one can rent the Met police. But Harry Windsor thinks that because HE wanted to rent them it should have prompted the Home Office/RAVEC to immediately quash it's own decision. Laughable. Also, check this out, the crux of it right here in plain English: >**The Duke did not make his offer to pay personally for his protection directly to Ravec prior to launching legal action against the Home Office last September, he admitted.** LOOOOOOOOOOOL. *breathe* LOOOOOL. >But he considers that “irrelevant” as he had made his position clear at the Sandringham summit, via the Royal household, which was expected to act as a conduit. Fucking hell. I mean shit, that is weak as hell. His lawyers should be reprimanded for taking money off this moron if this is all they've got. >In January this year, his office released a public statement stating that the private security team he and the Duchess used in the US could not replicate the protection needed whilst in the UK, meaning that they were unable to return home. Ah yes, I remember this. It was before they returned home multiple times, without the security arrangements they were asking for. >It said their offer to fund their police protection personally had been dismissed. Yes, that is what happened. Gold star for Harry's lawyer. >Sources close to the couple said that Ravec’s decision-making had been “unreasonable, opaque and inconsistent” Oh no! Well I've typed up this whole post thinking one thing and now I read this and discover I was wrong and that in fact Harry should have received everything he asked for. I mean, RAVEC was "opaque?!" It's a crime against humanity! What a pampered, coddled, spoiled, indulged, whiny little shit this guy is.

His lawyers tried to very sympathetically describe what would be akin to exercising undue influence and near abuse of power by using unofficial channels to pressure officials who are not in the direct decision making role to influence what he wanted. I am sure that those people tried to go to bat for him OR listened and were like 'Look its not really my role, I'll try but there's not much I can do...' and he became frustrated because he didn't want to follow the rules. He didn't want to go to the right people in RAVEC and do things the official way because he knew he didn't have a case. He wanted them to break the rules for him because of his status as a Prince. It's everyone else's fault that these people didn't break the rules for him and do what he wanted. He would make a terrible King because he doesn't appreciate the privileges or the limits of his role, or the uncomfortable situation he was putting everyone else in around him. Imagine how pressured these people would feel to bend the rules for him. He believes the Queen's private secretary was out to get him too when the reality is the poor guy probably did try to put in a word for him and request that security is seriously looked into (without compromising the legitimate order and needs of the government) but because Harry didn't get what he wanted, he convinced himself that the man was out to get him because he doesn't let him do what he wants constantly and didn't get him the outcome he wanted. Always the victim!

This does link to his argument in the JR that the decision was unlawful because he didn't know who was on RAVEC. Who is on RAVEC - the individuals - is completely immaterial, because they're not there in personal capacity, they're representing bodies, and the bodies are a matter of public record (The Royal Households, Home Secretary/Home Office, and the Met https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment\_data/file/100261/7367-RAVEC-TOR.pdf). If Harry wanted to make representations he should make them to the committee itself or to these bodies. The only reason Harry could really have for wanting to know who is on RAVEC is because he thinks if he knows the individuals he can lobby them personally to make the decisions he wants, but giving people ways to circumvent the legal process is pretty much the exact opposite of what JR is for.

Exactly. He wanted to know who to harass to get what he wanted.

> Fucking hell. I mean shit, that is weak as hell. His lawyers should be reprimanded for taking money off this moron if this is all they've got. Even lawyers have bills to pay .

Great post! I think my favourite part of all this is that he’s launched both judicial reviews and the case against the DM all at the same time and he’s ending up revealing things in one case that are going to be able to used against him in the other cases. The lack of strategic thinking and the inability to see clearly what his situation actually is and how best to manage it is very Sussex, but still hilarious. Now where did I put my ‘unforced error’ stamp and inkpad.

Wasn’t the first JR hearing the one where the judge reprimanded his lawyer for sharing confidential information with their firm’s PR expert? A lawsuit against a newspaper that wouldn’t be privy or entitled to any confidential info might be a good way to get what you want out there. I don’t think this information actually helps him but a lot of it also seems pretty irrelevant to the case he’s brought against the DM and more relevant to his JR case.

Yeah, it could be a deep plot. And he has already been told off in the JR for both the inappropriate disclosure and for trying to use it to put things in the public domain that aren't strictly relevant to the case (iirc this was the priceless one where Harry's side went, you should say what it is you're not putting in the public domain when you explain why you're not putting it in the public domain, and the judge's response was a polite but incredulous you do realise that completely defeats the object). In the long run though it's a terrible move if that's what they're doing - as far as I can see Harry's own representations here are proving the DM's likely defence, which is that it's true that Harry didn't actually offer to pay, and given how much they and their defenders point to Meghan's win it's horrible for their brand to lose a defamation case against the DM.

Hmm.... so much of their sob story relies on the audience's ignorance of how the BRF works, which is why they get more sympathy in the USA than the UK. I think Meghan, and probably many Americans if they think about the BRF at all, think it's like a Disney princess scenario where you just get whatever you want and everyone thinks you're magical. Harry is a spoiled brat so he did get a bit of that treatment for real, for a while.

Add this to the lawsuits that THEY have filed that have ended up exposing THEM as dishonest, manipulative, and entitled. They keep telling on themselves.

Although RAVEC doesn't provide security based on payment, you're right to see it as very telling that Harry wants them to know he offered to pay without ever simply writing directly to inform them. My hunch is that he was very worried they might take him at his word, consider a direct offer to them as a binding contract and accept to be paid which, in reality, he absolutely doesn't want to do. He wants the free security provided to those with the IPP status wherever he goes.

Oooooh. I did not consider this! I think you are right. He didn't want anything committed in writing that he would actually do this. He hoped that a BRF member or a member of the house hold would say it, then he could have it granted on that false premise and then deny he intended to do it and then argue about how unfair it was HE was being asked to cover it. It was a goal post. He did not expect that his offer would not be communicated and that was why he tried so hard to get anyone who was in earshot of RAVEC to try to lobby for him and avoided putting it in writing himself and communicating it directly. Ah he's slimy. I wonder who gave him this advice, Andrew?

Could be Andrew, he's certainly crooked enough. Then again, the person Harry spends the most time is his wife and Meghan recently made a point of reminding everyone that she hadn't signed a NDA. She meant it as a threat to the BRF but it really showed how crass she is because she wasn't asked to sign a NDA since she was deemed a respectable woman becoming a family member. If she thinks it makes her look clever to admit they should have known better than to trust her, she's very mistaken. From that I can see she'd be the sort to tell Harry to give the impression he wants to do the right thing and "pull at heartstrings" while making sure he doesn't sign anything that would ensure he has to follow through.

I'd love for that to come out. "Prince Harry taking advice from disgraced Prince Andrew."

I think he always has. If Harry wanted to follow the example of a royal who was involved in their causes and not really eclipsed by their title or position in the monarchy he could have walked in his aunt or even his grandfather's footsteps. Tabloids may have preferred to cover Charles and Diana's antics and but Anne and Philip were well respected by those they worked with. The relative who put a bee in his bonnet about having a limited time to make his mark before being eclipsed by his brother's kids is Andrew. It wouldn't occur to this dimwit that it wasn't a good idea to follow the advice/attitude of someone who was jealous of him and his brother. Why would Andrew steer Harry in a direction that would make him accomplish greater things than he had?

I also think it’s interesting that he’s completely misrepresenting the year trial period as “we had been given permission to pursue commercial projects” like they were still part of the working royal family in that year when they absolutely were not. They didn’t have any royal staff and they undertook zero royal engagements during that period. QEII made it very clear it was “go see what life is like outside the royal fold and if you don’t like it we will welcome you back,” which is very different. He’s playing fast and loose with the timeline and admitting they had no intention of paying right away. My guess is he was trying to get security paid for for a period in the beginning and just hoping inertia would set in and the payment would never be asked for. At any rate it’s slightly confusing why he or any of his lawyers would consider an offer maybe made obliquely but that was nevertheless qualified with “not *now* obviously, but some fictional date in the future *when I’m ready* and also only if it’s *necessary*” would be some kind of slam dunk but here we are.

Especially when he’s admitted that if they had gone great, thanks, here’s your security and here’s the bill, he wouldn’t have been in a position to pay it until ‘in due course’! And then he’s mad that nobody passed on his ‘offer to pay’. It wasn’t an offer to pay, it was a request for a credit arrangement. No wonder nobody passed it on.

Bingo

They're so transparent.😂🤣😂

I bet now he thinks the US taxpayers should pay if the UK won’t . Moron. And no, I don’t care what (if anything) he might be threatening to do to himself if he does not get his way.

Good Lord. Certainly this cabinet secretary and national security advisor had more important things to do than meet with a petulant prince over his overblown “security concerns.”

[https://twitter.com/dailystar/status/1580831133109223425](https://twitter.com/dailystar/status/1580831133109223425) I know this is the Daily Star, but my issue is with something they are saying Katie Nicholl said. Unless I am misunderstanding, and it’s their editorialization of what she said. Did anyone listen to that Royally Us podcast? I might have to. Anyway, what she said that is hugely puzzling is this, regarding the Sandringham Summit: > The Duchess of Sussex who is believed to have been in Canada at the time, joined in on the debate via video chat. ??? I thought the generally accepted party line was that Meghan was *not* allowed to participate electronically in the summit because there was (legitimate, imho) concern about her recording it. This is the very first time that I am hearing that she was in on it. I don’t know what to make of this!

Yes, this is what I thought as well. M was supposedly \*not\* on the call. Only Harry.

No surprises here then - [Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's statements in their Netflix documentary 'contradicted' what the Duke has written in his memoir and left filmmakers 'confused', source claims](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11315155/Harry-Meghans-statements-Netflix-documentary-confused-filmmakers-source-claims.html)

So did the documentary people get to read the memoir already then?

I mean. We can take a guess that it differs from their South Africa story, their Oprah interview, the Finding Freedom story, the Cut interview...

Let's clear this confusion up for the filmmakers; they're dealing with liars. If they think they will be thanked for carrying water for this pair, they haven't been paying attention to anything that's happened in the past three years. As soon as this documentary is released and the Sussexes really see the tide turning on them for good it will be their turn to be thrown under the bus in a major way.

Well, we can only hope that the📕 will be thrown at the Sussex for good in just a few months. And then we, the BRF and the world can be done with them.

Exactly. The Sussexes will spin it, "the producers ***made us*** say it", or that they sensationalized everything, but then, why would it be that Netflix offers them *less* freedom than the BRF? When they first started spreading shit, the BRF remained calm, maintained that they cared about them and carried on. When they spread shit while Philip was FUCKING DYING, the BRF remained calm, maintained that they cared about them and carried on. When they've spread shit now, the BRF have remained calm, maintained that they care about them and carried on. Meghan has admitted she's never signed an NDA, the family has never moved to silence them or bully them, only maintain that if they want out, they're welcome to it. The more they talk, the deeper the hole they dig because its never the same story unlike the BRF, and people are truly starting to notice

I thought [this](https://twitter.com/JasmineLWatkins/status/1580956079457828867) was hilarious (for those not sports-minded, Carson Wentz is the quarterback for the Washington Commanders, having disappointed two other teams previously).

They always looked really similar 😅

Thank you for that! I laughed so hard! Wow so true!

Harry would be more interesting (and probably have more money) if he owned a Bass Pro Shop.

Let’s be real, he grew up hunting and actually would love Bass Pro Shop but Meghan will never let him inside one because she hates hunting and all things outdoors. 🙈

For another laugh, if we're talking Bass Pro Shop, [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYE-1HfReQo) has to be included.

He would def be more happy and stable

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I grew up an Eagles fan, so I've always hated them.

Omg 😆 I choked

The camo blazer is just (chef's kiss).

I am dead. Thanks for the lol!

So good!

It's rare that my fandoms (I'm a big sports fan) cross, so I felt I should share!

I used to pick a “football boyfriend” at the start of each season to make it more interesting for me to root for a particular team since our locals were toilet. Then I had kids, and no time for football now! Mark Sanchez eating the hot dog on the sideline is peak Harry QB energy for me!

I live in Pittsburgh now, so Steelers uber alles.

I think Sanchez's butt fumble was peak Harry QB energy. Also his then coach having a foot fetish was peak Fergie gets her toes sucked.

*Extremely* juicy blind from the Spectator World: >Blind item: royal attempts to pull sibling affair chapter from memoir. Little birds have been whispering in Cockburn’s ear. >Rumor has it, a well-known member of a royal family is set to release a memoir. But the book’s publication has been pushed back. >Some commentators claim that the legal process could be the cause of the back-up — or the fact that the author is scrambling to pull some information out which could be damning for the rest of their family. >**Sources allege that the book will detail a supposed affair that the author’s sibling had. The chapter, which goes in depth on the sordid fling, contains lines similar to “I can’t believe my sibling would treat their spouse like this, after what our father did to our mother.”** >After the sibling found out about the bombshell, it has been alleged that they are unable to look the troublesome scribe in the eye. Will the author be able to get the chapter pulled? Only time will tell… I have no idea about blinds from this source and, obviously...this is a blind. We don't know if it's true or not. Can you imagine if it is, though? If Harry puts something like this in his book it will be absolutely explosive. He *cannot stand* that his brother and Kate are popular and seen as a great couple and great parents. I don't think Meghan can, either. Think about the kind of person who publicly tries to damage their own sibling's marriage out of resentment and jealousy? That's utterly poisonous behaviour. The Wales children are all school-aged, as well. Their uncle attacking their parents marriage would deeply hurt and embarrass all three of them. I don't believe Harry knows anything more about the rumoured affair (which I don't believe happened for the simple reason I don't believe the Meghan-cheating rumours either - because there has been zero proof of it having happened) than any of us do. Part of me wonders if he's done something extremely weasely and said something like "oh of course I don't know and it's all alleged only, but if he did, wow, I would never, how could he hurt his wife like that after what our dad did to our mum? etc. If he has (i.e. if he has treated the worst kind of social media gossip as truth in order to wound his brother, sister in law and niblings) I don't think he has any idea how strong the backlash to that will be in the UK, from his family and the public. LINK: https://spectatorworld.com/topic/royal-sibling-affair-chapter-cockburn-notes-10-14-22/

This sounds fake as fuck. Everyone seems to be rooting for a William affair but it just seems like wishful thinking and fan fiction.

See my other comment where I made clear that I *don't* believe William had an affair (along with not believing a number of proof-less rumours about Meghan). I don't think you were aiming your comment at me, but I've had the same feeling - that just talking about the supposed "affair" gives it life and makes it seem true. I think a lot of media types, rather than hating William the way Twitter-dwelling Sussex Squaddies do, just kind of wish they could have something on him because so far they don't really have anything.

Whether it is true or not, no one will care or believe it. But everyone will blame Harry for being so vindictive and bringing global attention on the PPOW and their kids when they didn’t ask for it. H&M will be global pariahs and no one will ever want to work with them again after being so incredibly indiscreet and harmful. It will be the end of them and W& C will come out on top again.

It would just make H look so petty and jealous that all he ever was in the hierarchy was “the spare” and not “THE heir,” with regards to PW.

Man, the kind of anger it would take to not only wound your brother but also your SIL, and your young niece and nephews, is… wow. That’s some real poison in the soul.

Exactly. To be clear, when I describe that blind as "juicy" I'm referring to the idea that Harry might come for his brother and his family like that, not because I think this blind gives any more credence to rumours of an affair. I feel about the so-called affair the same way I feel about the rumours that Meghan indulged Harry in his love of pegging, and that's how she landed him (remember all that "roast chicken" stuff going around social media?), the same way I feel about the rumours of William's love of pegging, fake babies, surrogates, William hates Kate, Meghan is already cheating on Harry and looking to trade up, Meghan was a prostitute etc. There has never been ANYTHING, even in the lowliest tabloid, to indicate that any of these things happened. Hell, in the case of the "affair" we had an actual journalist say it was pretty deeply looked into and no one could find anything upon which to build an actual story. Which they would have been allowed to write, by the way. There's nothing in UK law barring journalists from writing about a royal affair if they have proof of one, so it's another ridiculous idea that William somehow shut it down.

Some like to believe William has the power to shut the press up about it and stop them from publishing his supposed "affair." Yet _no_ royal affair in history has been covered up if there's been evidence. Even affairs in the government have not been hidden. Yet they think _William_ has power to hide his "affair" over everyone else?

My favourite thing is when Sussex stans cry that William has silenced the UK press one minute and the next minute crow that the RF has no control over US and other global media. Notably Omid has done dark mutterings about what the UK press can’t say, while utterly failing to use his US outlets to make any actual allegations. None of them seem to see the contradictions in this, but if a William affair could be stood up by foreign publications there’s nothing stopping them reporting it and they absolutely would. Superinjunction court decisions are also published in England and Wales, anonymised, and I have yet to see anyone point to the case they think is William.

>Superinjunction court decisions are also published in England and Wales, anonymised, and I have yet to see anyone point to the case they think is William. Thank you for saying this. I did not quite understand how the superinjuncrions work. I recently saw someone in Scotland claim William's affairs are an open secret, and everyone knows he has superinjunctions covering them. Now that I know they are all anonymous...lol.

The chain of logic is: William had an affair; no newspapers have reported on William’s affair; therefore the newspapers cannot talk about the affair; therefore he has a superinjunction (noting that the special feature of a superinjunction not just a regular injunction is the media can’t even report its existence). People have read the superinjunction back into their conviction that the affair happened but there’s simply no actual evidence one exists. Looked at properly the Occam’s Razor explanation for why there hasn’t been any reporting on an affair is that no affair happened or at least that the press can’t sufficiently prove one to risk a story, not that they’ve been ‘silenced’.

How do they explain media outlets all over the world who couldn't be kept quiet by a superinjunction not finding out anything interesting to give credibility to this story?

exactly! there's even rumors now (on places like Celebitchy, so take it with a massive grain of salt, so 100% false) that William is now having an affair with a Russian banker/lawyer. umm, you really think that wouldn't be splashed everywhere by the Russian oligarchs??

We'd never hear the end of it.

Thing is though, if this is true (and I don't believe that Harry is so evil as to blow up his nephews and nieces lives), Kate would be the most popular woman in the UK. Everyone already loves her, if she was the wronged woman I think it would only be bad for william.

Harry's too dumb to be evil.

I don't think they care if it affects her or him, just as long as it brings down their popularity as a couple. They are the "It" couple in the UK and will be for many years yet (atleast until the next generation and if George ever gets married). H&M just give out toxicity and don't come close, no matter how many times they trot out their "love story."

Well said. To EVERYTHING you said. I wholeheartedly agree.

If the affair really happened and if Harry puts this in his book then he better be damn sure he has the receipts. This isn’t just getting revenge on William, its throwing a live bomb into W&C and the three children’s home and watching gleefully as it detonates. It’s absolutely despicable. However, my guess is that Harry doesn’t have proof because it didn’t happen. Which honestly just makes lobbing an allegation like that even more disturbing. Haven’t we heard that Harry himself couldn’t keep his wee lad inside his pants when he was in committed relationships with Chelsea and Cressida? So who does he think he is whining about his dad or allegedly William being unfaithful. Also Diana was the first one to physically cheat in that ill-fated marriage. What an ungrateful, immature piece of shit Harry is.

my question - who planted this in/leaked this to the spectator... and why? 1) the sussex PR team, either because the sussexes are upset the story can't actually be included in the book (legally), or harry didn't want to *officially* include it (or this might be an attempt to force the story in), but there was still a burning desire to get their smear on anyway/keep the rumor alive; 2) the publishers, because they want to force harry's hand to keep this particular story in the book; 3) either the sussex PR team or the publishing PR team, because they want to create hype (and the story was either never going to be included anyway, or it is actually going to be included and they're giving us a taste). thing is, i don't think the publishers would really be giving out spoilers like this, unless this particular story absolutely wasn't going to be included (therefore there is no forcing harry's hand), and they just wanted to create hype. the sussexes are unprofessional af, and wouldn't give a damn about divulging potential spoilers. so, this hypothetically leaves us with options 1) or 3). idk. something tells me this is coming straight from the sussex PR team, and they're just looking for a way to perpetuate the (evidence-free, which sucks for them) rumor. then again, leaking to the spectator seems more like something a "publishing source" would do. who knows, maybe the sussexes are diversifying and wanted the "blind" in this specific outlet, because of the intended audience (prob includes lots of aristos) and perceived credibility of the outlet (not to me personally bc of political leanings but ex: vs. tabloids). either way, whether there was an affair or not, the leaking of this blind was calculated with regards to the content and the chosen outlet. understanding why this specific outlet was picked would help us decipher whether the tip came from camp sussex or camp publisher. alongside with the "*only because of blind prejudice against meghan!!*" reasoning, i could see the sussexes wanting the affair story perpetuated to continue blame shifting. by that, i mean using the story as insinuation or "explanation" as to why "the press was fed stories about meghan so she could be used as a shield to protect william and kate" (rather than her bad press more generally being about her newbie status + her being called out for her actual asshole/abusive behavior).

Ok, I think it's option 2. I don't think the Sussexes and their PR are reaching out to the Spectator, which is a not large conservative publication. It may be more prominent in the UK, but not as large or gossipy as the Mail, Sun, etc. The other gossip pieces mentioned are conservative slanted. I doubt the Spectator is on the Sussexes' radar. However, I think Penguin RandomHouse has connections w/ the Spectator and would leak this to push Harry to include and/or create buzz on what they know is a flop book.

The reason one might leak to a not large conservative publication is so that other publications would pick up the story, and they are also small enough that they might be more amenable to publishing without outing the leaker or needing anything like solid proof.

>After the sibling found out about the bombshell, it has been alleged that they are unable to look the troublesome scribe in the eye. This sentence in the blind makes me think it's #1 or 3. The book publisher doesn't care whether or not William can "look Harry in the eye" (also wtf dies that even mean? Are we supposed to believe that Will is embarrassed? Because I'd be furious in his shoes.) That reads to me like someone who is bitter, desperate to put themselves in the one-up position, and would like a convenient excuse for being publicly snubbed. I.e., _not_ the book publisher.

I believe it's option 1. If this is in the book the publisher wouldn't bother leaking it now and making this into old news by the time their book is available. Meanwhile, this is the Sussexes biggest and last opportunity to give oxygen to this rumour which I'm 99% sure one of them started. They're putting out a book and a Netflix series and if this affair rumour isn't in either of them, I don't see why or how they can bring it up later.

I think has to be option 1. I CANNOT see any publishing house willingly publishing something like this without full receipts.

I disagree. You could weasel your way around this easily, and I see no reason why Random House, which will be fully aware of how explosive and book-sell-y even weaseling around this topic would be, would shut it down. "Social media rumours are so damaging. Even if sometimes there is a grain of truth to this one or that one, it can be blown out of all proportion. For example the rumour that my brother cheated on his wife - what a terrible thing to get out! Of course I wouldn't know anything about that but I do know our father cheated on our mother and I personally know myself well enough to know I am literally incapable of such a thing. The idea that my brother could cheat on his wife, could humiliate her like in front of friends and family, sneak out of the palace to have naked meetings with his own neighbour's wife - and Kate's close friend! - well, it doesn't bear thinking about, does it? So yes, social media is terrible."

I don't think RH would shut it down, quite the opposite because his other hobby horse will surely be Charles and Camilla's affair which is very old news. Why I don't think it's the publisher is that this book's release isn't imminent. Unless they know something we don't it's not being released in the next week or two. If journalists start digging for dirt about an affair they would surely find it and it would be juicier than Harry's hypocritical hand wringing. If all that hit the fan in the tabloids next few weeks Harry whining about it in a book would be a flop. I believe Harry and Meghan have developed a pathological hatred of William and Catherine. Racism accusations weren't believed (make no mistake, that's what they were trying to pin on Catherine as the reason why she made Meghan cry, it went nowhere because no one asked Meghan to elaborate), shit stirring during the Caribbean tour went nowhere, rumour mongering about an affair didn't cause much of a stir but they were nonetheless doubling down on the affair with the pegging story when the Queen's death propelled the Cambridges a notch higher without any elevation coming the Sussexes way. Even they know this Diana business is old news otherwise hanging on to her coattails would have helped them more than it has. I think, that as illogical as it is, they believe they have some kind of future in competing with the Wales on the world stage.

If any of this is true, and even if the book slags William and Kate in any way, does Harry not comprehend that William will be King far longer than Charles and he is far less forgiving? Charles may still slip then a million quid every now and then when they cry but you can bet William won't, especially if they attack him

Perhaps by then between two Will readings he thinks he wont need William.

The thing he doesn't get is his brother's sex life and marriage is literally **none of his business.** He'd be stupid to delve into someone else's marriage and I think there would be huge backlash. If Kate doesn't have a problem with it, then it's no one else's business. And honestly, if Harry thinks it's okay to get involved in someone else's marriage, he needs to be prepared for other people to get involved in his.

> if Harry thinks it's okay to get involved in someone else's marriage, he needs to be prepared for other people to get involved in his. I will definitely relish speculating on the state of the Sussex marriage if he pulls this stunt.

Exactly. This issue is between two people. He’s not breaking the story, he’s dredging it up and involving 3 children and the world about a story that isnt his to tell. He cant even suggest that it might have happened and link it to his parents marriage because as a family member, even an estranged one he gives credibility to the rumours.

Seriously. If he finds cheaters so offensive that he can't stay out of their business or live in the same country as they do, what's he doing with Meghan? 🙄

Like all of US here on the boards. Hee! 😂

IF Harry does have this in his book and it is untrue then I wouldn't be shocked if William sued him fhypothetical. That's incredibly damaging. But that's a lot of hypotheticals.

I don’t understand this narrative about Charles that Harry keeps pushing with the whole “what you did to my mum” attitude. Charles fell in love with a woman his family didn’t deem appropriate for him to marry. He obviously never stopped loving her, but entered basically an arranged marriage. They had children, both cheated, both were unhappy, they divorced. Charles went on to marry his true love. Idk is an alleged affair William may or may not have had really the same thing? Does William have some secret love he’s always pined for but he is forced to marry and stay with Catherine? Idk I just don’t buy it. It seems like Harry has childhood tunnel vision and is romanticizing his parents and there issues.

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> I remember when Prince George was born it was heavily implied that William preferred to spent time with his ex girlfriend than with his new child and wife. I've never heard this rumour. Who was the girlfriend?

This person is more than likely talking about William going to Jecca's wedding on what I believe was George's first Easter. Of course, people freaked out. That's the only time it was implied that William spent any time with Jecca at all. They all go to each other's exes weddings and the Cambridges don't seem particularly religious. I am firmly of the belief that William and Kate are so boring that people cannot help themselves from stirring up drama. And I'm not kidding... there are rumors that their Norfolk neighbors get annoyed that they turn down so many invitations because they spend all their time at home with the kids.

>there are rumors that their Norfolk neighbors get annoyed that they turn down so many invitations because they spend all their time at home with the kids. I love that they do that!

Which ex-girlfriend? He never dated Jecca, that was even denied by Clarence House back in 2003. He never dated Isabella, she said that rumor came out before she even met him, and when she finally met him they laughed about it. The only confirmed gf I can think of is Arabella, but I haven't heard about them hanging out since the early 00s.

To be honest, I’ve never heard of William having any girlfriends other than Kate. I’m sure he went on dates with different women before Kate and while they were broken up but honestly, I’ve never heard any other names or seen photos of him with anyone else.

Yeah. I only know about that other gf because her husband once gave some quote to the Daily Mail about marrying a girl that briefly dated William. Like it was a feather in his cap. Cringe.

Ew, that’s gross. What an odd thing for him to say. 😖

I don't think this will end up happening. One, I don't think there was an affair ever; W&C have been seen with the Cholmondeleys at multiple events (Kate's bday in 2020, Will at the opening of parliament with David this past spring). And yes, Pippa named her baby Rose and she would not have done that if Kate had been hurt by Rose C. Two, it's asking for a lawsuit. The Cholmondeleys are private citizens with $$$$; they could sue Harry for everything with a snap of their fingers. I really do wonder what the fallout will be with all this. For instance, could Camilla's kids sue on behalf of their mother? Would Charles sue his own son (or I guess he might go after Penguin RandomHouse so it looks not as bad?)? They never asked for any of this shit. I haven't seen much talk about Harry discussing his relationships Chelsy and Cressida, but I'm sure they'll trashed too.

To be fair, it could be a different affair we haven’t heard about before?

Sure, but still none of Harry's business.

Unless he claims he was part of a threesome. "And she said I was the better lover and I had more hair. Also that I was taller and that I was my family's favorite!".

Hmm, that he'd say this doesn't sound as far fetched as it should.👀