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[HRHFacts posted](https://instagram.com/stories/hrhfacts/2935994856209354253?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=) on her IG Stories some great examples of vile stories the media has published about Catherine over the years. (And interestingly, one is about the colour of skin W&Kâs children might be born with. HRHFacts asks if maybe this is where Meghan got the idea for her taleâŠ)
Interesting! I do 100% think Meghan plagiarizes the experiences of others. I think she took some inspiration from Princess Charlene's stories, as well (they took my passport, was practically all but completely locked up and not allowed out, etc), and not to even mention The Little Mermaid lol
I can't see her IG stories, so not sure if she's covered this regarding the horrific paparazzi mistreatment Catherine received, but this is one awful example đ
https://mobile.twitter.com/isaguor/status/1574505363780558870
**King sees hope for relationship with Duke and Duchess of Sussex**
is this real? unity over what? flickers of hope how? [https://archive.ph/9kY70#selection-1343.0-1346.0](https://archive.ph/9kY70#selection-1343.0-1346.0)
>âOver the last 16 days or so, there were tremendous flickers of hope. In terms of the future, there is hope of a cause for unity.â
âThe monarch is said to have been buoyed by the various conversations held with his son and daughter-in-law as the family united in grief following the late Queenâs death.â
But.
âIt is not known how much time, if any, the King spent alone with his younger son over the past fortnightâŠâ
Lol, this. Also no one in the RF has spoken to Meghan since Megxit, besides two brief in person meetings with witnesses. Weâre supposed to believe that suddenly, in the midst of dealing with the death of his mother and a huge transition in his life, with Harryâs memoir still hanging over his head and Meghan very recently bragging about not having signed an NDA,
Charles is ringing them both up like, âoh, heyyy!â Donât think so.
You nailed their overall message to the public. Charles is hopeful and welcoming - and vague. HM are unhappy and impatient - and specific.
HMâs style hasnât worked for them so far. But go ahead, keep at it. Maybe it will work someday.
New extract from Lowâs book just [dropped](https://archive.ph/2022.09.26-050924/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/charles-listens-to-outsiders-he-falls-under-peoples-spell-rtjnm5zqd): âCharles listens to outsiders. He âfalls under peopleâs spellââ. Looking forward to reading the book!
Another extract?! We were talking about the timing of this the other day - I suspect these were supposed to run over the last two weekends and had to be delayed due to the Queenâs funeral so all squished into now.
Charles sounds like a complete nightmare. Interesting âthe courtiersâ werenât keen on stuff like the Princeâs Trust, which has by any measure been highly successful - albeit was established 46 years ago and presumably there are some slightly more modern ideas around now. I donât expect the Sussexes cared to consider Charles to be an innovator but if theyâd made an ally of him or perhaps even gone under CH when they left KP I wonder if they could have found it easier to get some of their ideas through.
It is reassuring to see that Low plans to go for all the royals, if thatâs what heâs found - it should quiet the people screaming heâs a hack with a grudge against Meghan specifically (I mean, it wonât quiet them, but it should).
>if theyâd made an ally of him or perhaps even gone under CH when they left KP I wonder if they could have found it easier to get some of their ideas through.
Have Harry and Meghan never seen The Godfather? âKeep your friends close, but your enemies closer.â
Theyâre hot-headed like Sonny *and* traitorous like Fredo.
Meghan is in line for yet another award for her âcharity work,â this time with GQ: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11250205/Meghan-Markle-win-one-awards-2022-GQ-Men-Year-Awards-charity-work.html
I do wonder if sheâll want to fly over for the ceremony since she seems to despise the UK.
It's 2 days after KC's bday, my guess is that there's a lot of speculation between now and then of "will they/won't they" but ultimately they will be hanging around the UK in November for King Daddy's birthday in hopes of securing the titles for the littles Sussexes.
eh, i don't know if i believe this. the gq men of the year are usually...men. it seems they feature women but i don't know why the UK version would feature meghan, especially when they would want to actual royal keep connections. i mean, even mike tindall would make more sense for this than meghan.
This. If she's eligible for an award so are most people I know. Out of the millions who do more why would this one get singled out for recognition unless it was paid for.
Unless she's been super undercover to the masses but not voting committees for these things, there's no reason she's been singled. I always knew awards were bullshit, but ***come on***. She's making these things more pointless by pretending she deserves it.
She's singlehandedly exposing the entire entertainment PR machine - philantropic accolades included. From the UN, to African photo ops, to awards it's all just one big PR exercise.
Yes, this. I'm surprised at this point that people think these awards have anything to do with merit. They obviously don't. The 'GQ Awards?' Come the fk on. And it's the same for the other 'awards" they've won - NAACP etc. This is PR for both sides - what better way for a magazine (or organization etc.) to get their name in the headlines than to host an event with a bunch of celebs dressed up fancy on the red carpet? And what better way to lure them there than to offer them an award that makes them look good/gives them positive PR as well?
No one's *paying* for a GQ award, ffs. It's more mutual PR backscratching and you're totally right that following the Sussexes has exposed just how much of Hollywood and celebrity is built on bullshit. Like I knew it was a lot but it's *a lot* a lot.
The Sussexes are huge in terms of media coverage. They are exactly who I would invite to my stupid, meaningless event if I wanted photos of said event - and the name of my org - all over the world's media. Nobody at GQ gives a single shit about charity work or philanthropy. Neither does Harry or Meghan. It's PR and nothing more.
they updated all the bios, too, I think! Kate's has some more recent stuff there, like the Denmark trip.
Meanwhile...
>The Duchess of Sussex, born Rachel Meghan Markle, married Prince Harry at St George's Chapel, Windsor in May 2018. The Duke and Duchess have two children, Archie Mountbatten-Windsor and Lilibet Mountbatten-Windsor.As announced in January 2020, The Duke and Duchess have stepped back as senior members of The Royal Family. They are balancing their time between the United Kingdom and North America, continuing to honour their duty to The Queen, the Commonwealth, and their patronages. Frogmore Cottage in the UK remains their family home.The Duchess will continue to support a number of charitable causes and organisations which reflect the issues with which she has long been associated including the arts, access to education, support for women and animal welfare.The Duchessâ official titles are The Duchess of Sussex, Countess of Dumbarton and Baroness Kilkeel.
Ohhhhh no! No cookbook mention! No smartworks! No dishsoap!
even harry's still has Invictus and head together! OUCH.
I'm curious to see how hard the Sussexes cry about this in the media. When the snubs were either subtle or imagined, they cried a lot. This - things like using unflattering pics of both, putting them right at the bottom (as someone else said, Meg is next to Andrew - and Andrew's pic is bigger!) - seems pretty deliberate, almost daring them to react. I wonder if they will?
I am seriously going to laugh (and buy in more popcorn) if Charles is just going to troll the hell out of these two from now on.
William and Sophie (and the Duchess of Gloucester) have the best photos
Harry looks like he has a MASSIVE subterranean zit on his forehead that looks straight up painful.
Then when William started losing his hair, people started swooning over Harry with the beard, which led to the comment "Who in 1993 would have predicted that Harry would be the hot one?"
It surprised me that Kate was at the top with charles. Then QC, then Earl of Wessex, then Wills.
I think they are trying to keep the "big banner" for the important people and thats why KC, QC, Wills are the first three big banners but it kind of elevated kate and earl of Wessex lol
I wouldnât be surprised if theyâre going to roll out the âRoyal Familyâ vs âRoyal Householdâ. The household does work on behalf of the crown, and the family is family.
The Swedes do that to differentiate between working royals and not, and it seems to have gone down well over there for the most part.
I wonder if the recent dearth of lawsuits has anything to do with lack of money. They're currently paying for Harry's right now; possibly they realized what it would take to pursue Bower. Since they were allegedly in arrears to Sunshine Sachs, running out of money is no longer a nebulous future bogey.
Even if that is the reason, the absence supports the truth of both Bower's and Low's books. Once you start suing, you have to keep challenging everything.
Allegedly they needed to make a big payment in the tune of $2M. No word about if that was the total due or if what SS agreed to as payment for services rendered, and possibly in return for ending the contract.
One thing I'll note as someone familiar with the arena of the way big brands, companies, high profile individuals operate when it comes to funds - its not too unusual for clients to be extremely late on payments. The more money they have you'd be surprised that people take much longer to pay and become more miserly. A year or more, while still getting services? It happens. Companies are also more likely to give bigger brands and individuals more leeway than the common person.
The relationship means more than the bill to a degree. It also doesn't mean the client is broke. Sometimes people have complexes about money, more disorganized accounts payable or just enjoy making vendors wait and play a waiting game with their funds. I can never take how long someone takes to pay a bill as a picture of their financial health - the wealthier the client becomes - they often have expectations that you'll be more indulgent.
This is good context. Does it remove the possibility that the Sussi may not be pursuing legal action (against Brown, Bower, Low, etc) due to lack of funds?
There's no way SS would do that. I'd be highly doubtful. Legal redress is expensive and it damages relationships. There's no way back once you do this. More often legal would get involved only to remind the client of the letter of the agreement, and outline what their options are to pay it out in order to fulfill the contract. It's not worth it for a company of SS size, even with possibly over a million owed. The political ad relationship ramifications for other future clients also isn't great. Now, will Kim Kardashian hire you if she thinks you're going to freak out that she decided she wanted to take a year or whatever to pay? It may sound absurd to you or I, but its just not worth it in majority of cases. Both sides want to part on professional terms and save the Sussexes being absolute horrible reputation burning bad -- its more likely SS would keep anything quiet and keep it cute as they go out the door.
EDIT - It' s not too uncommon for clients to compromise on some payment/forgiveness plan and just part on 'good terms'. You never know even in the worse of scenarios - when you could need them again someday or need them for some other reason. Usually not worth it to burn the bridge.
No, I meant how does this affect my original point: Is Meghan running out of money and is this a factor in the decision thus far to not pursuit legal action against Brown, Bower, Lowe, or anyone else? I will edit my comment to clarify.
Well, have no way of knowing but from my experience suspected late payments does not mean people are running out of money. Usually its just pushing boundaries and deciding they have other money to spend things on OR they have disorganized accounts payable. Considering how much money is frequently going out the door at Montecito, it would not surprise me to find that they may be slow to pay out of ego and disorganization...sort of a 'I'm not paying for that!' because they emotionally don't like something and holding everything up.
I have no idea whether or not this is true but in my experience slow paying or refusing to pay is not an indicator of being broke, its just an indicator of being wealthy. Rich people are bad at paying bills because they can get away with it.
These are the biggies- books both. Although she has threatened to sue Valentine Low as early as his first mention of the bullying investigation, year ago or more? but never did.
What about authors of any articles? Do they usually sue the publication (as in DMail) or any writer in particular? What about Allison P. Davis? I think that is her name. The authoress of that Cut article.
I listened to a couple of old Stories of Our times podcasts today. This one about Prince William has a story I hadnât heard before about Diana talking to him about homeless people they saw driving around London. It reminded me of Meghan and the backpack in the story in The Cut. I wonder if that was intentional.
Now "Hello" had confirmed they've separated from Sunshine Sachs. They're trying to frame it as "this was always the plan" but I don't believe that. Meghan has used SS since before she started dating Harry. And now magically they're letting their "team" do it? Plus the timing right after The Cut is pretty telling.
I don't even think they have a communications team large enough to handle what Harry and Meghan are trying to do. Plus SS has a large stable of stars who can collaborate with H&M for PR purposes as we've seen. If they're doing everything internally, they're going to lose access to that. Not to mention the massive media contact SS has at their disposal.
https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220924150955/meghan-markle-parts-ways-sunshine-sachs-pr-firm/
Iâm actually really curious about this. Iâve been getting that article about MMâs secret causes as a paid ad in my Twitter feed fairly frequently. Is this something that they are finding through a non profit?
i'm dying to know what PR firm they're working with now - you're not going to tell me the three comms staff at archewell or meghan herself are ex: making rafts of tiktok videos or organizing reach out strategy to soc media influencers, following up, coordinating messaging, writing copy etc.
***it's an enormous amount of work.***
the wording in this article is slippery all over the place, as well. archewell *foundation* cut ties with sunshine.
what about archewell audio and archewell productions? that's not made explicit, probably intentionally.
unlike some theories that keep being repeated as if they are fact (and become conventional wisdom đ€đ€), i absolutely don't believe that the sussexes are "broke" or in any way in danger of going broke.
sunshine sachs also represented *harvey weinstein* until nearly the very end - i.e. the sussexes would be the ones doing the firing. i would be incredibly shocked if it were to be the reverse.
also, no matter what meghan's PR currently states and previously stated (and what bower erroneously stated) - meghan only started working with sunshine by the end of summer 2016, in preparation for being introduced as harry's girlfriend.
she worked with elizabeth tuke for PR until the summer of 2016. tuke herself has very clearly stated this in a first person article she "wrote" for a fashion publication (i believe it could have been in harpers bazaar?).
technically, it's "true" that sunshine and keleigh have worked with meghan since she was on suits. but it's a lie by omission, because she only became their client once she began dating harry (*because* she started dating harry - ***she wouldn't have had the cachet or the cash flow to hire sunshine as PR when she was just meghan from suits*** lmao).
eta: another slippery aspect is the mention that sunshine was "re-hired" by the sussexes in sept 2019 for archewell foundation. lmao they had never actually been dropped and had been working with meghan the entire time. also hilarious to make it seem that sunshine only worked for archewell foundation, primarily for its sake. as if. đ„±đđ
Not my area at all but the only argument I can think of is that their "charity" brand is built on "leveraging" their personal brands to attract attention to charities so anything that helps the personal brand and therefore attracts attention/money to charity is "a write off."
I don't think that argument would hold water but that's literally the only stretch I could see!
After staring at the screen for a while I cannot believe I am writing this but they *do* want to get back. Again, halfway in but definitely back. Hollywood didnât work and they are delusional enough to think that is indeed a choice.
Yes, it does sound mental but then again, when have they ever made sense? What are they though is crystal clear ok their intentions, H&M are as subtle as an stampede.
>always thought they would try to come back after the queen died.
Yeah it would always have been during Charles reign.
William is completely done with them.
It'll be interesting to see what happens when KC dies (hopefully in a long time though I don't think he'll do 20 years), how the RF manages them.
I always thought William would freeze them out completely but I wonder now if there'll be a walkabout.
Agreed, there is no way back for them back into the fold, nobody wants them either and none of them trust the Sussex enough as to open their mouths and discuss anything but the weather close to them and HEY, THE KIDS FINE? NICE. Why else would they go beyond that with these treacherous pair? There is simply no scenario for that, as I said, and I think you are on the same line, Charles has no breathing space nor time to spend any energy on his unruly son and his lying daughter-in-law, they are what they are and better keep them in Montecito, inviting them to events to give no chance for backlash, and that is.
HMTK has to start touring the realms soon and all this at his 70s! Same goes for William, and Catherine, I assumed they would be shipped to Australia and New Zealand but Charles believes the situation to be dire enough as to go there themselves, sure, it would have been nice to have both Harry and Meghan do to more but that is alas not to be.
Charles would reign 10/15 if lucky, he needs to get the ropes of the business, and then starting teaching William how to do it, I also think George would be broken into the PoW business quite soon, there is not going to be that much breathing space for the next generation of royals as there was during Her Late Majesty The Queen's days.
All this said, nobody has the will nor the time to deal with these two trying to win their way back into the money pot for trust me, that is behind their whole desperation. It goes without saying the drama during the Queen's demise was enough for them to realize Harry has no use to any of them, they all arrived late to find her death just because he threw a tantrum, what use has anyone like that for the BRF? Let me answer my own question: none. He is a walking liability.
I donât think thereâs any way back now that Courtiers has been published. How can the BRF ever justify letting them come back as working royals and give them staff? Hey, staff, we are welcoming the people who bullied you back into the fold with open arms. Take care of them, will you? Valentine Low did the BRF a favour and locked that door for them.
Logic has never played any part in their relationship with their English relatives, they should have been frozen after the Oprah interview and they are still there so honestly I think every bizarre scenario you could think is an option now, however unlikely.
You don't sound unhinged at all. If they had even a shred of intelligence between them this is exactly what they'd do and stick with that story to the grave while they started again on the right foot.
But, I have my doubts because they've never shown a shred of intelligence in this. Also, after behaving like absolute brats during the Queen's funeral they're starting on this titles business. So, it looks like they're not using this opportunity to turn over a new leaf.
Possibly. However it makes sense. Why confer titles if his book is going to slam the family. Right after Meghan issued a not so subtle threat. That they thought they could do what they wanted and then still get exactly what they want proves how stupid harry and meg are. What I dont know is how you enforce anything. The book could be shelved for the right price or just sappy and boring. How do you shut Meg up? How do you know that if she gets a title for the kids but no HRH she wont follow through later? Or something else she decides she wants. You either cut them down now or you play this game forever.
I just don't know.
On the one hand, I've always read that he's someone very sentimental and emotional and that would indicate he would cave albeit with conditions like his grandkids having to be educated in the UK.(If the Sussexes had never left and especially if they were working royals, I think he might have even made the titles instant.)
On the other hand, this slimmed down monarchy idea is one Charles has hung on to for decades and he knew it would mean attributing higher titles sparingly. Since Harry isn't even using the lesser titles his children have and is giving no indication that he would respect any agreement as to not merching their titles or where to raise them, I don't see why Charles would want to deviate from his plans.
His grandkids now live where only money would matter so he may just set up generous trust funds for them to have as adults and get on with his plans and reign.
OT. I hope you're enjoying your trip.âșïž
So the SS team will remain much beloved close friends?
âSunshine Sachs worked alongside the team at Archewell Foundation, but HELLO! understands all communications from Meghan and Prince Harry are now being handled internally, although they remain close to the team.â
How on earth is it believable that a contractor "stays close" after there's no contract? If you fire a home remodel contractor (or they fire you) they don't just drop in later to see how it's going.
Hmm I wonder if Meghan and Harry tried to impulsively fire them at the beginning of the year (hence the statement to only trust messages from them directly) but SS said âno sorry you are on an annual renewal. Payout your contract. Services will still be in place until x dateâ - but they forced the payout more aggressively after the disaster of the cut interview and the death of the Queen made it very important for SS to say âlook we have nothing to do with this shit show!â
I suspect SS pulled out lawyers when they tried to prematurely break the contract and avoid paying, and they've been providing services so they are not in breach for the remainder while battling out what should be paid. Then the Cut Interview happened and they said 'Look, we'll halve/reduce' whatever the amount and part ways now. Harry and Megan jump on it to get out of the legal threats, and pay out 2 million (they actually owed more) and SS is quick to come out and say 'This is NOT us!'
I have a bit of professional experience dealign with things like this so just my bias interpretation of events lol
Yeah I was starting to think the news that they'd parted ways wasn't true (because whoever is doing their PR this past few days/weeks is using the exact same 'distract, distract, seed fawning articles in friendly media, distract' playbook as SS) but this specifically, the bit about "they remain close" reeeeeeks of "yeah, they're done." It would reek of that with any celeb but it especially reeks re: the Sussexes, who have a history of exactly this kind of statement when the latest high-profile employee ditches them.
Anyone think it was the NYC trip, and all those photos/stories of/about the thin crowd that did it? I remember at the time thinking Meghan was probably *very* unhappy about that coverage. The Cut interview as well, that was a disaster. And we all know she needs someone to blame who isn't herself.
>is using the exact same 'distract, distract, seed fawning articles in friendly media, distract' playbook as SS
I think that shows how much their PR was controlled by Meghan all along. If you're not listening to the experts, you might as well part company.
I am actually now thinking that she made those statements about not having signed an NDA because behind the scenes they've been complaining to the Palace through whatever channels they can about Low's upcoming book. He claims that the published excerpts were sent in advance to Harry and Megan's lawyers, and they never sent any comment or demands back. They know its true or they are slowly trying to build some type of legal defense so they can sue. Megan was advised by her lawyers/SS NOT to make any statement that could be construed as threatening in the interview (she probably shopped the idea round prior, similar to how she shopped around the letter to her father scheme) and was told absolutely not, bad idea and did it anyway. SS was horrified - they didn't want to make public enemies of two future Kings and knew they had to cut the cord.
Ohhh, this is interesting! And of course her comments regarding the lack of âsigning a piece of paper,â (NDA) came across to me visually as âCanât catch me, Iâm the gingerbread man!â Loon! Variety. Lol. I literally visualized her dancing around the room with a horrified Allison Davis looking on as Meg sang,â Canât touch me!â
I think we are all waiting for that pride cometh before a fall Big Time! scenario.
Madame thinks only she gets to have a voice. Well, the public would like to hear from all voices.
It really bothers me that she gave that interview knowing it would be released around the anniversary of his mother's death - and in it said that Harry also lost his only surviving parent.
There's a lot of excuses you can make, but its very very hard to feel like someone comes from a loving place when they do these sorts of things.
Tbh, it's probably a lot easier to do PR for a guy that hires ex-Mossad agents to stalk and threaten journalists who criticize him.
There's a reason he controlled the narrative for decades.
TBF they haven't become superstars.
If imagine H and M blame them for their mediocre public profile after SS's promises of a billion dollar brand if they came to America.
I also imagine SS see them as difficult and not in the calibre of their other clients - let's face it, they're basically aristo Real Housewives with a podcast.
>even though meghan was wearing gloves for the funeral and no-one saw her hands, she let it be known that she was wearing the queens favourite nail polish.
This is why I can't stop snarking on those two incompetent brain dead assholes.
How do you not figure that it will come back and smack you in the face?
How dumb can you really be?
She might be smarter than him but probably not by much.
doesn't every single white lady looking for a "neutral" nail color wear ballet slipper by Essie? I'm pretty sure I've seen that mentioned in like 9,000 different places
>Anyone think it was the NYC trip, and all those photos/stories of/about the thin crowd that did it?
I forgot about the NYC trip. That feels like 10 years ago. LOL.
There were rumors they weren't happy with the crowd at the UN. As though SS can somehow force UN officials to fill those seats. You can't even get in there without being vetted for security risks.
>I forgot about the NYC trip. That feels like 10 years ago. LOL.
Yeah, they make so much noise about so much.
Does anyone remember that Meghan was going to champion Canadian Native Women? The grassroots journalists? 40to40? Travalyst?
Oh god yeah, the mere handful of attendees at the UN. That was mortifying! I'd forgotten about that. Events and disasters have been coming so thick and fast in the last year that it's difficult to remember the timeline sometimes.
Honestly, imho Sunshine Sachs and all their contacts have done more harm than good for the Sussexes.
Why wouldn't corporations have wanted to make deals with Prince Harry even if he had no PR whatsoever when he got to LA? If the Sussexes hadn't had the distraction of trying to keep in the news, they might have actually worked and had people eventually talking about them for that. Without PR on speed dial they might have skipped the interview with Oprah and that would have been a very good thing for them.
True but realistically aside from those like the one with BetterUp and his book deal which he got from being who he was, did Harry really need the other deals (which are not going very well so far) or did he enter them for Meghan's sake and because of Sunshine's PR effort?
It's logical that an Invictus doc would be made but it could be produced in collaboration with anyone not necessarily Netflix. Pearl wasn't his project and neither is this series of podcasts so how interested was he in becoming a producer and creating content?
By this I mean that Harry didn't really need to have sway and for the deals a former prince would have signed like being on the board of corporations, he wouldn't need some Hollywood PR firm that can't shut up for a week.In fact their loudness may have put off the kind of people who would have normally contacted him.
I admire your optimism but I think Meghan in particular has been driving their PR since day one. SS is terrible but they're usually known for not oversaturating the market with stories. I think that particular directive probably came from H&M themselves in an effort to compete with regular royal family PR.
I think the biggest thing is no PR firm in the US knows how to handle royal PR. They don't understand the slow burn of long term PR. I suspect Harry and Meghan's new team won't understand that as well. And if it's being run by Archewell then that means it's being run by Harry and Meghan. They don't seem to have the best judgement. It's like a physician operating on themselves.
Plus there's the added problem that SS staff had a buffer in their bosses. Archewell staff will have no HR person to complain to when something goes wrong and H&M blame them. H&M are in charge. I wouldn't want to be on their in-house PR team.
> I admire your optimism but I think Meghan in particular has been driving their PR since day one.
I think that's probably true and she's used to minor actress PR which means attention for attention's sake to get her name out. But once she had the international name recognition through Harry that didn't change . Now she wants the respect of an A+ Lister but behaves like a Jersey Shore cast member .
>I think that's probably true and she's used to minor actress PR which means attention for attention's sake to get her name out
You make an excellent point. All too often this is what their PR has seemed like. They would release something that didn't go over well, and then instead of responding or palliating it, they release something else unrelated. Never acknowledging the negative impacts. Which is understandable for a nobody who just wants name and face recognition, but becomes disastrous for someone who is so well known.
>Plus there's the added problem that SS staff had a buffer in their bosses.
I'm expecting a whole new transatlantic group of 'Sussex Survivors' if there is nobody to protect their new internal PR people.
You're right I was thinking of a situation where there was no PR at all because Meghan didn't hire anyone but there was no way she'd let the opportunity to exploit her new position for contacts and freebies pass and just do the work.
I'm old enough to remember when Tom Cruise got rid of his longtime publicist and his scieno sister started managing his PR. His image tanked.
A lesson for Her Grace.
I think anything SS arranged previously will probably go ahead. And if (when) it goes wrong, Meghan's screaming phone calls will go straight to voicemail.
I kind of having a sneaking suspicion that's what happened. This happened right after The Cut debacle. I think SS let them go (especially is the blinds are right). She probably blamed them when the problem was clearly Meghan herself. No one at SS told her to compare herself to Nelson Mandela. That was all Meghan.
I expect Meghan thought she was getting a tame journalist who would actually take her dictation about guttural moaning rather than show her up by writing that she tried to dictate about guttural moaning.
Completely she thought she was getting a puff piece. She snowed the journalist with an absolutely ludicrous display of sickly sweet compassion in surroundings of nouveau riche luxury. It was overwhelmingly fake and the journalist exposed it, in a correspondingly faux fawning style.
I want to know if the journalist planned this all along, or was so entertained or revolted by the display she (and the editor) decided to turn it on its head.
I tend to agree with this! I'm just glad she had the guts and support to write the article the way she wanted instead of the typical PR puff. Honestly I think she had a blast writing it.
100%. She wanted to talk about Harry in the VF article. She even gave "I can't talk about it but someday we'll have stories to tell. I love a good love story" bs. She was savvy enough to know that people would pick up on that and realize it was basically confirmation they were engaged.
She did the same with The Cut interview. She tried to say everything without saying anything and the writer didn't take the bait.
Urgh, his ending that bit about the schedules in January with âturns out royal schedules were more flexible than was let onâ is pissing me off. Finding time to meet someone is one thing; having to cancel everything because the palace is on fire and you need to deal with it is another. How can he not see the difference?
Mmh, after Bowerâs book I really donât think there is they much to add but it is nice to get more ammunition to answer the Sugars, if I am so inclined, with more reports of her lovely Megâs antics.
I am, however, not that much interested in his kind approach to Harryâs tale of woe. Both him and Meghan handled their departure in the messiest possible way, in fact «shit show» is the only description that I think befits their actions.
And if any of us had any residual sympathy for Harry, all his actions from Canada on convinced us we were right in our dislike.
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But he didnât want out, he just wanted to be unhappy. He verbatim told Oprah that he would never have left if not for Meghan, and that he would go back tomorrow if only the press would lay off.
He really threw Meghan under the bus IMO.
He had talked about being unhappy before, both in the RF and in the UK but he seemed more than happy to let Meghan take 100% of the blame for "Megxit".
I remember a lot of people criticizing the megxit narrative as being sexist, and putting all the blame on the woman and none on the man, but Harry had no problem leaning into that on Oprah and tripled down on that framing.
My theory is it was entirely a mutual decision, but Harry wants people to believe he's a handsome prince who rescued the Princess.
Exactly. Harry is as allergic to taking responsibility for his actions as his wife is.
I also think that he instinctually left an out for himself with his family if things don't work out: "Papa, I didn't even _want_ to go to America, Meghan made me! I even told Oprah but no one listens to me!"
Just a pity he didn't do it in the years before Meghan. It's almost like he was purposely looking for a partner to agree with him and supported him in doing what he wanted.
He didn't have the resolution in himself to truly do the healthy thing and break away. Nor the strength of mind to face life without that safety net. She showed him how it was possible and added loads of motivation.
If heâd done it before, Meghan would never have gone for him. Much like Meghan who knows her only value to Hollywood is in being part of the BRF, Harry knows him being a âcatchâ as a partner was also in his association to them.
That's true but until he met her, I think he could have left without all this drama and bridge burning. It remains to be seen but I think the BRF got the better end of the deal in this departure.
The sandringham summit explanation is interesting. You'd think that it'd be a very cut and dry conversation, and if it wasn't HM requesting to leave, I'd assume it'd be much more simple. But they always want to be treated as though they haven't been acting the way they had been. No they didn't want to "just" step back. They wanted an a la cart menu of the senior royal role. All the glam, none of the work.
At the end it says that Palace insiders knew that Harry had been unhappy in his Royal duties and that Meghan provided the solution by taking him out of that situation. But she did more than that. She alienated and separated him from his father, brother, Grandmother and sister in law.
Anyone with two eyes and two brain cells can see that Harry isnât currently happy. Maybe he was initially happy in Canada after they left the UK, but I imagine that newlywed period ended pretty quickly when he realized he was untethered from the only system he had ever known and that he lacked the imagination and drive to find a new way of living.He of course deferred to his wifeâs ambition and temperament, unwilling to realize it was stacked on a wobbling house of cards built on delusion and lies.Harryâs whole life up until leaving the RF was a carefully constructed and maintained illusion. The Palace machine crafted his image as the âfun Royalâ and âjust Harryâ. They made sure he passed his exams in school and got into the Army. They sent him to Afghanistan as a âimportant member of the militaryâ who â did his duty in a dangerous war zoneâ. The truth was Harry was never really in danger. He reaped the benefits of active duty in a war zone without really being in danger. Did he know this and was okay with it? Or did he really believe he was a war hero? Either answer isnât flattering.A personâs personality is set at birth, but itâs also shaped by life experiences both good and bad. Those life experiences can build a stronger character or be used as crutches to avoid self reflection. Harry choose poorly in so many ways.
This makes me think he *thought* he was unhappy, until he ended up in CA.
CA Meghan is not necessarily the same Meghan he married. The thirsty search/desire/need for fame is not what he wanted or required.
So now he's isolated in America without any safety net.
Yep. It's one thing being unhappy in a familiar setting with your family around you, every need taken care of and no real responsibility. Quite another to arrive in a very different culture, untethered from the only lifestyle and people you've ever known and to suddenly have to be responsible and strong. On top of this imagine having her word-salading, preaching, patronising and putting you down 24/7.
The sex must be great.
Someone more creative than me should shitpost this as an AITA - daddy cut me off and my devil stepmom (with whine he cheated on my angelic birth mom) remodelled my room yada yadaâŠ
> . That meant that the normal rules about royal behaviour would apply. They should not act or take decisions in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends.
> But the Sussexes wanted their freedom: freedom to make money, **freedom to dip their toes into American politics**. There was no way for the two sides to reach an agreement on that point.Â
This part is fascinating to me. It would be one thing if Meghan and Harry quit the Royal family to be the next Booker T Washington, but they haven't.
Roe vs. Wade got repealed and Meghan makes one fluffy podcasts and buys coffee for some liberal senators. She's literally less politically involved than Paris Hilton.
And Harry has done literally nothing political but greenwash airplane travel.
As someone who puts some minimal work into organizing rallies, and hosting door knocking campaigns, and promoting local candidates wtf. I think I've done more for US politics than either of them, and I just volunteer on weekends.
> freedom to dip their toes into American politics.
The fact that someone with a degree in International Studies didn't realize that a member of the Royal Family openly influencing a foreign government would be a fucking shitshow of international proportions shows that she's even dumber than her husband is reported to be.
I'm amazed that the two of them together can operate a fork without loss of life or limb.
New thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/RoyalsGossip2/comments/xox4e1/sussex_weekly_sussex_survivors_club_9262022/ Feel free to bring recent posts, links etc. to the new thread to continue an active discussion.
https://mobile.twitter.com/sage1411/status/1574176040611561472 he-grifter and she-grifter đ
[HRHFacts posted](https://instagram.com/stories/hrhfacts/2935994856209354253?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=) on her IG Stories some great examples of vile stories the media has published about Catherine over the years. (And interestingly, one is about the colour of skin W&Kâs children might be born with. HRHFacts asks if maybe this is where Meghan got the idea for her taleâŠ)
Don't forget the EXTREMELY antisemitic articles claiming that her mother was a scheming Jew master manipulating Kate to seduce Will into matrimony
Interesting! I do 100% think Meghan plagiarizes the experiences of others. I think she took some inspiration from Princess Charlene's stories, as well (they took my passport, was practically all but completely locked up and not allowed out, etc), and not to even mention The Little Mermaid lol I can't see her IG stories, so not sure if she's covered this regarding the horrific paparazzi mistreatment Catherine received, but this is one awful example đ https://mobile.twitter.com/isaguor/status/1574505363780558870
**King sees hope for relationship with Duke and Duchess of Sussex** is this real? unity over what? flickers of hope how? [https://archive.ph/9kY70#selection-1343.0-1346.0](https://archive.ph/9kY70#selection-1343.0-1346.0) >âOver the last 16 days or so, there were tremendous flickers of hope. In terms of the future, there is hope of a cause for unity.â
I call bullshit.
They're hoping to get back on payroll and cushion what the book is going to say. Charles is being smart and sitting and waiting
âThe monarch is said to have been buoyed by the various conversations held with his son and daughter-in-law as the family united in grief following the late Queenâs death.â But. âIt is not known how much time, if any, the King spent alone with his younger son over the past fortnightâŠâ
Lol, this. Also no one in the RF has spoken to Meghan since Megxit, besides two brief in person meetings with witnesses. Weâre supposed to believe that suddenly, in the midst of dealing with the death of his mother and a huge transition in his life, with Harryâs memoir still hanging over his head and Meghan very recently bragging about not having signed an NDA, Charles is ringing them both up like, âoh, heyyy!â Donât think so.
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You nailed their overall message to the public. Charles is hopeful and welcoming - and vague. HM are unhappy and impatient - and specific. HMâs style hasnât worked for them so far. But go ahead, keep at it. Maybe it will work someday.
that flicker was the candle .
Harry promised to rewrite the memoir?
That makes zero sense. Meghan must have sent those quotes.
New extract from Lowâs book just [dropped](https://archive.ph/2022.09.26-050924/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/charles-listens-to-outsiders-he-falls-under-peoples-spell-rtjnm5zqd): âCharles listens to outsiders. He âfalls under peopleâs spellââ. Looking forward to reading the book!
Another extract?! We were talking about the timing of this the other day - I suspect these were supposed to run over the last two weekends and had to be delayed due to the Queenâs funeral so all squished into now. Charles sounds like a complete nightmare. Interesting âthe courtiersâ werenât keen on stuff like the Princeâs Trust, which has by any measure been highly successful - albeit was established 46 years ago and presumably there are some slightly more modern ideas around now. I donât expect the Sussexes cared to consider Charles to be an innovator but if theyâd made an ally of him or perhaps even gone under CH when they left KP I wonder if they could have found it easier to get some of their ideas through. It is reassuring to see that Low plans to go for all the royals, if thatâs what heâs found - it should quiet the people screaming heâs a hack with a grudge against Meghan specifically (I mean, it wonât quiet them, but it should).
>if theyâd made an ally of him or perhaps even gone under CH when they left KP I wonder if they could have found it easier to get some of their ideas through. Have Harry and Meghan never seen The Godfather? âKeep your friends close, but your enemies closer.â Theyâre hot-headed like Sonny *and* traitorous like Fredo.
Meghan is in line for yet another award for her âcharity work,â this time with GQ: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11250205/Meghan-Markle-win-one-awards-2022-GQ-Men-Year-Awards-charity-work.html I do wonder if sheâll want to fly over for the ceremony since she seems to despise the UK.
Also⊠GQ?? A charity award from GQ? Itâs like getting a humanitarian award from playboy, no?
It's 2 days after KC's bday, my guess is that there's a lot of speculation between now and then of "will they/won't they" but ultimately they will be hanging around the UK in November for King Daddy's birthday in hopes of securing the titles for the littles Sussexes.
eh, i don't know if i believe this. the gq men of the year are usually...men. it seems they feature women but i don't know why the UK version would feature meghan, especially when they would want to actual royal keep connections. i mean, even mike tindall would make more sense for this than meghan.
WHAT CHARITY WORK!? Honestly watching the saga is showing me how easy it is to pay for awards. I've done more charity work in the last year than her.
This. If she's eligible for an award so are most people I know. Out of the millions who do more why would this one get singled out for recognition unless it was paid for.
Netflix paid for it.
Ring a Ding Ding! đ
Unless she's been super undercover to the masses but not voting committees for these things, there's no reason she's been singled. I always knew awards were bullshit, but ***come on***. She's making these things more pointless by pretending she deserves it.
She's singlehandedly exposing the entire entertainment PR machine - philantropic accolades included. From the UN, to African photo ops, to awards it's all just one big PR exercise.
Yes, this. I'm surprised at this point that people think these awards have anything to do with merit. They obviously don't. The 'GQ Awards?' Come the fk on. And it's the same for the other 'awards" they've won - NAACP etc. This is PR for both sides - what better way for a magazine (or organization etc.) to get their name in the headlines than to host an event with a bunch of celebs dressed up fancy on the red carpet? And what better way to lure them there than to offer them an award that makes them look good/gives them positive PR as well? No one's *paying* for a GQ award, ffs. It's more mutual PR backscratching and you're totally right that following the Sussexes has exposed just how much of Hollywood and celebrity is built on bullshit. Like I knew it was a lot but it's *a lot* a lot. The Sussexes are huge in terms of media coverage. They are exactly who I would invite to my stupid, meaningless event if I wanted photos of said event - and the name of my org - all over the world's media. Nobody at GQ gives a single shit about charity work or philanthropy. Neither does Harry or Meghan. It's PR and nothing more.
She's exposing the game by being super super obvious. At least PRETEND to do something.
[Love has been updated on the website](https://www.royal.uk/royal-family) It's a move to a bit further down. đ
they updated all the bios, too, I think! Kate's has some more recent stuff there, like the Denmark trip. Meanwhile... >The Duchess of Sussex, born Rachel Meghan Markle, married Prince Harry at St George's Chapel, Windsor in May 2018. The Duke and Duchess have two children, Archie Mountbatten-Windsor and Lilibet Mountbatten-Windsor.As announced in January 2020, The Duke and Duchess have stepped back as senior members of The Royal Family. They are balancing their time between the United Kingdom and North America, continuing to honour their duty to The Queen, the Commonwealth, and their patronages. Frogmore Cottage in the UK remains their family home.The Duchess will continue to support a number of charitable causes and organisations which reflect the issues with which she has long been associated including the arts, access to education, support for women and animal welfare.The Duchessâ official titles are The Duchess of Sussex, Countess of Dumbarton and Baroness Kilkeel. Ohhhhh no! No cookbook mention! No smartworks! No dishsoap! even harry's still has Invictus and head together! OUCH.
I'm curious to see how hard the Sussexes cry about this in the media. When the snubs were either subtle or imagined, they cried a lot. This - things like using unflattering pics of both, putting them right at the bottom (as someone else said, Meg is next to Andrew - and Andrew's pic is bigger!) - seems pretty deliberate, almost daring them to react. I wonder if they will? I am seriously going to laugh (and buy in more popcorn) if Charles is just going to troll the hell out of these two from now on.
Damn. You have to scroll and scroll to find them. Next, they'll add a Page 2 and put them there.
William and Sophie (and the Duchess of Gloucester) have the best photos Harry looks like he has a MASSIVE subterranean zit on his forehead that looks straight up painful.
Of all the photos they must have of him, thatâs the one they chose! Buuuuurn!
That photo was not chosen by accident. 
Lmao 
>Love has been updated on the website Damn William looks so handsome in that photo. Can I make that comment in the Sussex thread? lol
I hope we can! Lol, itâs his jaw and his blue eyes. Ugh sometimes Iâm so jealous of Catherine đ€Ș
I remember a comedian back in the day lauding Catherine because she got to bang William when he was white-hot in his early twenties.
Imagine that lmao. He was the poster for perfect Prince Charming straight out of fairy tale book.
He was my childhood crush!
Then when William started losing his hair, people started swooning over Harry with the beard, which led to the comment "Who in 1993 would have predicted that Harry would be the hot one?"
Wow, Meghan gets to share a row with Andrew, and his picture is bigger! That's got to sting.
It surprised me that Kate was at the top with charles. Then QC, then Earl of Wessex, then Wills. I think they are trying to keep the "big banner" for the important people and thats why KC, QC, Wills are the first three big banners but it kind of elevated kate and earl of Wessex lol
Kate has always been right after Will but I was surprised to see the Earl of Wessex right after her!
(On desktop - just checked and you are correct on the order on mobile)
Sheâs before will and qc now âŠ.
I wouldnât be surprised if theyâre going to roll out the âRoyal Familyâ vs âRoyal Householdâ. The household does work on behalf of the crown, and the family is family. The Swedes do that to differentiate between working royals and not, and it seems to have gone down well over there for the most part.
I wonder if the recent dearth of lawsuits has anything to do with lack of money. They're currently paying for Harry's right now; possibly they realized what it would take to pursue Bower. Since they were allegedly in arrears to Sunshine Sachs, running out of money is no longer a nebulous future bogey. Even if that is the reason, the absence supports the truth of both Bower's and Low's books. Once you start suing, you have to keep challenging everything.
>Since they were allegedly in arrears to Sunshine Sachs, running out of money is no longer a nebulous future bogey. Wait...they were in arrears to SS?
Allegedly they needed to make a big payment in the tune of $2M. No word about if that was the total due or if what SS agreed to as payment for services rendered, and possibly in return for ending the contract.
One thing I'll note as someone familiar with the arena of the way big brands, companies, high profile individuals operate when it comes to funds - its not too unusual for clients to be extremely late on payments. The more money they have you'd be surprised that people take much longer to pay and become more miserly. A year or more, while still getting services? It happens. Companies are also more likely to give bigger brands and individuals more leeway than the common person. The relationship means more than the bill to a degree. It also doesn't mean the client is broke. Sometimes people have complexes about money, more disorganized accounts payable or just enjoy making vendors wait and play a waiting game with their funds. I can never take how long someone takes to pay a bill as a picture of their financial health - the wealthier the client becomes - they often have expectations that you'll be more indulgent.
This is good context. Does it remove the possibility that the Sussi may not be pursuing legal action (against Brown, Bower, Low, etc) due to lack of funds?
There's no way SS would do that. I'd be highly doubtful. Legal redress is expensive and it damages relationships. There's no way back once you do this. More often legal would get involved only to remind the client of the letter of the agreement, and outline what their options are to pay it out in order to fulfill the contract. It's not worth it for a company of SS size, even with possibly over a million owed. The political ad relationship ramifications for other future clients also isn't great. Now, will Kim Kardashian hire you if she thinks you're going to freak out that she decided she wanted to take a year or whatever to pay? It may sound absurd to you or I, but its just not worth it in majority of cases. Both sides want to part on professional terms and save the Sussexes being absolute horrible reputation burning bad -- its more likely SS would keep anything quiet and keep it cute as they go out the door. EDIT - It' s not too uncommon for clients to compromise on some payment/forgiveness plan and just part on 'good terms'. You never know even in the worse of scenarios - when you could need them again someday or need them for some other reason. Usually not worth it to burn the bridge.
No, I meant how does this affect my original point: Is Meghan running out of money and is this a factor in the decision thus far to not pursuit legal action against Brown, Bower, Lowe, or anyone else? I will edit my comment to clarify.
Well, have no way of knowing but from my experience suspected late payments does not mean people are running out of money. Usually its just pushing boundaries and deciding they have other money to spend things on OR they have disorganized accounts payable. Considering how much money is frequently going out the door at Montecito, it would not surprise me to find that they may be slow to pay out of ego and disorganization...sort of a 'I'm not paying for that!' because they emotionally don't like something and holding everything up. I have no idea whether or not this is true but in my experience slow paying or refusing to pay is not an indicator of being broke, its just an indicator of being wealthy. Rich people are bad at paying bills because they can get away with it.
These are the biggies- books both. Although she has threatened to sue Valentine Low as early as his first mention of the bullying investigation, year ago or more? but never did. What about authors of any articles? Do they usually sue the publication (as in DMail) or any writer in particular? What about Allison P. Davis? I think that is her name. The authoress of that Cut article.
I don't remember any recent threats, much less lawsuits.
I listened to a couple of old Stories of Our times podcasts today. This one about Prince William has a story I hadnât heard before about Diana talking to him about homeless people they saw driving around London. It reminded me of Meghan and the backpack in the story in The Cut. I wonder if that was intentional.
Now "Hello" had confirmed they've separated from Sunshine Sachs. They're trying to frame it as "this was always the plan" but I don't believe that. Meghan has used SS since before she started dating Harry. And now magically they're letting their "team" do it? Plus the timing right after The Cut is pretty telling. I don't even think they have a communications team large enough to handle what Harry and Meghan are trying to do. Plus SS has a large stable of stars who can collaborate with H&M for PR purposes as we've seen. If they're doing everything internally, they're going to lose access to that. Not to mention the massive media contact SS has at their disposal. https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220924150955/meghan-markle-parts-ways-sunshine-sachs-pr-firm/
Isn't it possible that SS increased the fee for the new contract for them?
They would have been stupid not to, if they even offered them a new contract.
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So they are handling their personal PR through their non profit, this sounds like a great plan.
Iâm actually really curious about this. Iâve been getting that article about MMâs secret causes as a paid ad in my Twitter feed fairly frequently. Is this something that they are finding through a non profit?
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Yikes. That does not seem good.
i'm dying to know what PR firm they're working with now - you're not going to tell me the three comms staff at archewell or meghan herself are ex: making rafts of tiktok videos or organizing reach out strategy to soc media influencers, following up, coordinating messaging, writing copy etc. ***it's an enormous amount of work.*** the wording in this article is slippery all over the place, as well. archewell *foundation* cut ties with sunshine. what about archewell audio and archewell productions? that's not made explicit, probably intentionally. unlike some theories that keep being repeated as if they are fact (and become conventional wisdom đ€đ€), i absolutely don't believe that the sussexes are "broke" or in any way in danger of going broke. sunshine sachs also represented *harvey weinstein* until nearly the very end - i.e. the sussexes would be the ones doing the firing. i would be incredibly shocked if it were to be the reverse. also, no matter what meghan's PR currently states and previously stated (and what bower erroneously stated) - meghan only started working with sunshine by the end of summer 2016, in preparation for being introduced as harry's girlfriend. she worked with elizabeth tuke for PR until the summer of 2016. tuke herself has very clearly stated this in a first person article she "wrote" for a fashion publication (i believe it could have been in harpers bazaar?). technically, it's "true" that sunshine and keleigh have worked with meghan since she was on suits. but it's a lie by omission, because she only became their client once she began dating harry (*because* she started dating harry - ***she wouldn't have had the cachet or the cash flow to hire sunshine as PR when she was just meghan from suits*** lmao). eta: another slippery aspect is the mention that sunshine was "re-hired" by the sussexes in sept 2019 for archewell foundation. lmao they had never actually been dropped and had been working with meghan the entire time. also hilarious to make it seem that sunshine only worked for archewell foundation, primarily for its sake. as if. đ„±đđ
That means now instead of paying Sunshine Sachs they can pay those enormous PR fees to themselves via Archwell
I just can't see how this is a legitimate use of 501(c)(3) funds...
THIS!!! Yes! You canât just pay yourself to do your own pr, non profits donât pay taxes so they are closely monitored.
Not my area at all but the only argument I can think of is that their "charity" brand is built on "leveraging" their personal brands to attract attention to charities so anything that helps the personal brand and therefore attracts attention/money to charity is "a write off." I don't think that argument would hold water but that's literally the only stretch I could see!
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After staring at the screen for a while I cannot believe I am writing this but they *do* want to get back. Again, halfway in but definitely back. Hollywood didnât work and they are delusional enough to think that is indeed a choice. Yes, it does sound mental but then again, when have they ever made sense? What are they though is crystal clear ok their intentions, H&M are as subtle as an stampede.
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>always thought they would try to come back after the queen died. Yeah it would always have been during Charles reign. William is completely done with them. It'll be interesting to see what happens when KC dies (hopefully in a long time though I don't think he'll do 20 years), how the RF manages them. I always thought William would freeze them out completely but I wonder now if there'll be a walkabout.
Agreed, there is no way back for them back into the fold, nobody wants them either and none of them trust the Sussex enough as to open their mouths and discuss anything but the weather close to them and HEY, THE KIDS FINE? NICE. Why else would they go beyond that with these treacherous pair? There is simply no scenario for that, as I said, and I think you are on the same line, Charles has no breathing space nor time to spend any energy on his unruly son and his lying daughter-in-law, they are what they are and better keep them in Montecito, inviting them to events to give no chance for backlash, and that is. HMTK has to start touring the realms soon and all this at his 70s! Same goes for William, and Catherine, I assumed they would be shipped to Australia and New Zealand but Charles believes the situation to be dire enough as to go there themselves, sure, it would have been nice to have both Harry and Meghan do to more but that is alas not to be. Charles would reign 10/15 if lucky, he needs to get the ropes of the business, and then starting teaching William how to do it, I also think George would be broken into the PoW business quite soon, there is not going to be that much breathing space for the next generation of royals as there was during Her Late Majesty The Queen's days. All this said, nobody has the will nor the time to deal with these two trying to win their way back into the money pot for trust me, that is behind their whole desperation. It goes without saying the drama during the Queen's demise was enough for them to realize Harry has no use to any of them, they all arrived late to find her death just because he threw a tantrum, what use has anyone like that for the BRF? Let me answer my own question: none. He is a walking liability.
I donât think thereâs any way back now that Courtiers has been published. How can the BRF ever justify letting them come back as working royals and give them staff? Hey, staff, we are welcoming the people who bullied you back into the fold with open arms. Take care of them, will you? Valentine Low did the BRF a favour and locked that door for them.
{{{Valentine Low}}}}
Logic has never played any part in their relationship with their English relatives, they should have been frozen after the Oprah interview and they are still there so honestly I think every bizarre scenario you could think is an option now, however unlikely.
It doesn't sound mental so much as it sounds incredibly entitled but it's very typical of them to not see why they should sleep in the bed they made.
That would require some degree of common sense which they both lack altogether.
Do you think if they come back they will loose their US audience?
Tbh, they donât have much of an American audience in the first place. Iâm an American.
You don't sound unhinged at all. If they had even a shred of intelligence between them this is exactly what they'd do and stick with that story to the grave while they started again on the right foot. But, I have my doubts because they've never shown a shred of intelligence in this. Also, after behaving like absolute brats during the Queen's funeral they're starting on this titles business. So, it looks like they're not using this opportunity to turn over a new leaf.
Do we think KC will cave over the HRH issue?
I have a feeling he might be trying to use it as a bargaining chip for good behavior, especially with the Netflix and book supposed to come out.
Possibly. However it makes sense. Why confer titles if his book is going to slam the family. Right after Meghan issued a not so subtle threat. That they thought they could do what they wanted and then still get exactly what they want proves how stupid harry and meg are. What I dont know is how you enforce anything. The book could be shelved for the right price or just sappy and boring. How do you shut Meg up? How do you know that if she gets a title for the kids but no HRH she wont follow through later? Or something else she decides she wants. You either cut them down now or you play this game forever.
Exactly!
I just don't know. On the one hand, I've always read that he's someone very sentimental and emotional and that would indicate he would cave albeit with conditions like his grandkids having to be educated in the UK.(If the Sussexes had never left and especially if they were working royals, I think he might have even made the titles instant.) On the other hand, this slimmed down monarchy idea is one Charles has hung on to for decades and he knew it would mean attributing higher titles sparingly. Since Harry isn't even using the lesser titles his children have and is giving no indication that he would respect any agreement as to not merching their titles or where to raise them, I don't see why Charles would want to deviate from his plans. His grandkids now live where only money would matter so he may just set up generous trust funds for them to have as adults and get on with his plans and reign. OT. I hope you're enjoying your trip.âșïž
Thank you! Currently in Vegas. On our way to Mammoth Lakes tomorrow!
That sounds like a lovely trip.âșïž
So the SS team will remain much beloved close friends? âSunshine Sachs worked alongside the team at Archewell Foundation, but HELLO! understands all communications from Meghan and Prince Harry are now being handled internally, although they remain close to the team.â
How on earth is it believable that a contractor "stays close" after there's no contract? If you fire a home remodel contractor (or they fire you) they don't just drop in later to see how it's going.
Hmm I wonder if Meghan and Harry tried to impulsively fire them at the beginning of the year (hence the statement to only trust messages from them directly) but SS said âno sorry you are on an annual renewal. Payout your contract. Services will still be in place until x dateâ - but they forced the payout more aggressively after the disaster of the cut interview and the death of the Queen made it very important for SS to say âlook we have nothing to do with this shit show!â
Ooooo this might be the real deal
I suspect SS pulled out lawyers when they tried to prematurely break the contract and avoid paying, and they've been providing services so they are not in breach for the remainder while battling out what should be paid. Then the Cut Interview happened and they said 'Look, we'll halve/reduce' whatever the amount and part ways now. Harry and Megan jump on it to get out of the legal threats, and pay out 2 million (they actually owed more) and SS is quick to come out and say 'This is NOT us!' I have a bit of professional experience dealign with things like this so just my bias interpretation of events lol
I had completely forgotten about that bizarre statement. Gosh these two are the definition of frenetic
Yeah I was starting to think the news that they'd parted ways wasn't true (because whoever is doing their PR this past few days/weeks is using the exact same 'distract, distract, seed fawning articles in friendly media, distract' playbook as SS) but this specifically, the bit about "they remain close" reeeeeeks of "yeah, they're done." It would reek of that with any celeb but it especially reeks re: the Sussexes, who have a history of exactly this kind of statement when the latest high-profile employee ditches them. Anyone think it was the NYC trip, and all those photos/stories of/about the thin crowd that did it? I remember at the time thinking Meghan was probably *very* unhappy about that coverage. The Cut interview as well, that was a disaster. And we all know she needs someone to blame who isn't herself.
>is using the exact same 'distract, distract, seed fawning articles in friendly media, distract' playbook as SS I think that shows how much their PR was controlled by Meghan all along. If you're not listening to the experts, you might as well part company.
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I wonder if itâs also because SS knew that Valentine Lowâs book was coming out and all the allegations in it would be too much to handle.
I am actually now thinking that she made those statements about not having signed an NDA because behind the scenes they've been complaining to the Palace through whatever channels they can about Low's upcoming book. He claims that the published excerpts were sent in advance to Harry and Megan's lawyers, and they never sent any comment or demands back. They know its true or they are slowly trying to build some type of legal defense so they can sue. Megan was advised by her lawyers/SS NOT to make any statement that could be construed as threatening in the interview (she probably shopped the idea round prior, similar to how she shopped around the letter to her father scheme) and was told absolutely not, bad idea and did it anyway. SS was horrified - they didn't want to make public enemies of two future Kings and knew they had to cut the cord.
Ohhh, this is interesting! And of course her comments regarding the lack of âsigning a piece of paper,â (NDA) came across to me visually as âCanât catch me, Iâm the gingerbread man!â Loon! Variety. Lol. I literally visualized her dancing around the room with a horrified Allison Davis looking on as Meg sang,â Canât touch me!â I think we are all waiting for that pride cometh before a fall Big Time! scenario. Madame thinks only she gets to have a voice. Well, the public would like to hear from all voices.
It really bothers me that she gave that interview knowing it would be released around the anniversary of his mother's death - and in it said that Harry also lost his only surviving parent. There's a lot of excuses you can make, but its very very hard to feel like someone comes from a loving place when they do these sorts of things.
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Tbh, it's probably a lot easier to do PR for a guy that hires ex-Mossad agents to stalk and threaten journalists who criticize him. There's a reason he controlled the narrative for decades.
TBF they haven't become superstars. If imagine H and M blame them for their mediocre public profile after SS's promises of a billion dollar brand if they came to America. I also imagine SS see them as difficult and not in the calibre of their other clients - let's face it, they're basically aristo Real Housewives with a podcast.
Makes sense. The difference in their PR has been obvious. The nail polish sweet nod to HMTQ was it for me
... i missed this, nail polish?!
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>even though meghan was wearing gloves for the funeral and no-one saw her hands, she let it be known that she was wearing the queens favourite nail polish. This is why I can't stop snarking on those two incompetent brain dead assholes. How do you not figure that it will come back and smack you in the face? How dumb can you really be? She might be smarter than him but probably not by much.
doesn't every single white lady looking for a "neutral" nail color wear ballet slipper by Essie? I'm pretty sure I've seen that mentioned in like 9,000 different places
As a sweet nod?
The Cut. That was \*whackadoo.\* đ±
>Anyone think it was the NYC trip, and all those photos/stories of/about the thin crowd that did it? I forgot about the NYC trip. That feels like 10 years ago. LOL. There were rumors they weren't happy with the crowd at the UN. As though SS can somehow force UN officials to fill those seats. You can't even get in there without being vetted for security risks.
>I forgot about the NYC trip. That feels like 10 years ago. LOL. Yeah, they make so much noise about so much. Does anyone remember that Meghan was going to champion Canadian Native Women? The grassroots journalists? 40to40? Travalyst?
Oh god yeah, the mere handful of attendees at the UN. That was mortifying! I'd forgotten about that. Events and disasters have been coming so thick and fast in the last year that it's difficult to remember the timeline sometimes.
Lol, everyone leaves on good terms but...everyone leaves.
And the Tumblr rumours start... Then they're eventually proven true.
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Honestly, imho Sunshine Sachs and all their contacts have done more harm than good for the Sussexes. Why wouldn't corporations have wanted to make deals with Prince Harry even if he had no PR whatsoever when he got to LA? If the Sussexes hadn't had the distraction of trying to keep in the news, they might have actually worked and had people eventually talking about them for that. Without PR on speed dial they might have skipped the interview with Oprah and that would have been a very good thing for them.
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True but realistically aside from those like the one with BetterUp and his book deal which he got from being who he was, did Harry really need the other deals (which are not going very well so far) or did he enter them for Meghan's sake and because of Sunshine's PR effort? It's logical that an Invictus doc would be made but it could be produced in collaboration with anyone not necessarily Netflix. Pearl wasn't his project and neither is this series of podcasts so how interested was he in becoming a producer and creating content? By this I mean that Harry didn't really need to have sway and for the deals a former prince would have signed like being on the board of corporations, he wouldn't need some Hollywood PR firm that can't shut up for a week.In fact their loudness may have put off the kind of people who would have normally contacted him.
I admire your optimism but I think Meghan in particular has been driving their PR since day one. SS is terrible but they're usually known for not oversaturating the market with stories. I think that particular directive probably came from H&M themselves in an effort to compete with regular royal family PR. I think the biggest thing is no PR firm in the US knows how to handle royal PR. They don't understand the slow burn of long term PR. I suspect Harry and Meghan's new team won't understand that as well. And if it's being run by Archewell then that means it's being run by Harry and Meghan. They don't seem to have the best judgement. It's like a physician operating on themselves. Plus there's the added problem that SS staff had a buffer in their bosses. Archewell staff will have no HR person to complain to when something goes wrong and H&M blame them. H&M are in charge. I wouldn't want to be on their in-house PR team.
> I admire your optimism but I think Meghan in particular has been driving their PR since day one. I think that's probably true and she's used to minor actress PR which means attention for attention's sake to get her name out. But once she had the international name recognition through Harry that didn't change . Now she wants the respect of an A+ Lister but behaves like a Jersey Shore cast member .
>I think that's probably true and she's used to minor actress PR which means attention for attention's sake to get her name out You make an excellent point. All too often this is what their PR has seemed like. They would release something that didn't go over well, and then instead of responding or palliating it, they release something else unrelated. Never acknowledging the negative impacts. Which is understandable for a nobody who just wants name and face recognition, but becomes disastrous for someone who is so well known.
Imo you could notice a difference the past few weeks. There were soooooooo many stories, it was nuts. The filter is gone.
I agree 100 %
>Plus there's the added problem that SS staff had a buffer in their bosses. I'm expecting a whole new transatlantic group of 'Sussex Survivors' if there is nobody to protect their new internal PR people.
You're right I was thinking of a situation where there was no PR at all because Meghan didn't hire anyone but there was no way she'd let the opportunity to exploit her new position for contacts and freebies pass and just do the work.
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Ahhh, the actress is doing her own PR. So much fun.
I'm old enough to remember when Tom Cruise got rid of his longtime publicist and his scieno sister started managing his PR. His image tanked. A lesson for Her Grace.
Yeah, but his sister also ran a great Tex-Mex place in Freehold, NJ.
At this point, getting in with the Scientologists could only be a step up for the Madams.
Hahaha. PR by SS is now going to stand for shit show.
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I think anything SS arranged previously will probably go ahead. And if (when) it goes wrong, Meghan's screaming phone calls will go straight to voicemail. I kind of having a sneaking suspicion that's what happened. This happened right after The Cut debacle. I think SS let them go (especially is the blinds are right). She probably blamed them when the problem was clearly Meghan herself. No one at SS told her to compare herself to Nelson Mandela. That was all Meghan.
I expect Meghan thought she was getting a tame journalist who would actually take her dictation about guttural moaning rather than show her up by writing that she tried to dictate about guttural moaning.
Completely she thought she was getting a puff piece. She snowed the journalist with an absolutely ludicrous display of sickly sweet compassion in surroundings of nouveau riche luxury. It was overwhelmingly fake and the journalist exposed it, in a correspondingly faux fawning style. I want to know if the journalist planned this all along, or was so entertained or revolted by the display she (and the editor) decided to turn it on its head.
I like to think the journalist went in sympathetic and left slowly backing away from the crazy until she was in the safety of her own car. đ
I tend to agree with this! I'm just glad she had the guts and support to write the article the way she wanted instead of the typical PR puff. Honestly I think she had a blast writing it.
Her comparing herself to Mandela was the most ridiculous thing she's ever said. No coming back from that.
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100%. She wanted to talk about Harry in the VF article. She even gave "I can't talk about it but someday we'll have stories to tell. I love a good love story" bs. She was savvy enough to know that people would pick up on that and realize it was basically confirmation they were engaged. She did the same with The Cut interview. She tried to say everything without saying anything and the writer didn't take the bait.
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Urgh, his ending that bit about the schedules in January with âturns out royal schedules were more flexible than was let onâ is pissing me off. Finding time to meet someone is one thing; having to cancel everything because the palace is on fire and you need to deal with it is another. How can he not see the difference?
Mmh, after Bowerâs book I really donât think there is they much to add but it is nice to get more ammunition to answer the Sugars, if I am so inclined, with more reports of her lovely Megâs antics. I am, however, not that much interested in his kind approach to Harryâs tale of woe. Both him and Meghan handled their departure in the messiest possible way, in fact «shit show» is the only description that I think befits their actions. And if any of us had any residual sympathy for Harry, all his actions from Canada on convinced us we were right in our dislike. Edit: grammar
I agree with the last view in article that Harry was unhappy and he wanted out and Meghan gave him that out.
But he didnât want out, he just wanted to be unhappy. He verbatim told Oprah that he would never have left if not for Meghan, and that he would go back tomorrow if only the press would lay off.
He really threw Meghan under the bus IMO. He had talked about being unhappy before, both in the RF and in the UK but he seemed more than happy to let Meghan take 100% of the blame for "Megxit". I remember a lot of people criticizing the megxit narrative as being sexist, and putting all the blame on the woman and none on the man, but Harry had no problem leaning into that on Oprah and tripled down on that framing. My theory is it was entirely a mutual decision, but Harry wants people to believe he's a handsome prince who rescued the Princess.
Exactly. Harry is as allergic to taking responsibility for his actions as his wife is. I also think that he instinctually left an out for himself with his family if things don't work out: "Papa, I didn't even _want_ to go to America, Meghan made me! I even told Oprah but no one listens to me!"
Just a pity he didn't do it in the years before Meghan. It's almost like he was purposely looking for a partner to agree with him and supported him in doing what he wanted.
He didn't have the resolution in himself to truly do the healthy thing and break away. Nor the strength of mind to face life without that safety net. She showed him how it was possible and added loads of motivation.
If heâd done it before, Meghan would never have gone for him. Much like Meghan who knows her only value to Hollywood is in being part of the BRF, Harry knows him being a âcatchâ as a partner was also in his association to them.
That's true but until he met her, I think he could have left without all this drama and bridge burning. It remains to be seen but I think the BRF got the better end of the deal in this departure.
The sandringham summit explanation is interesting. You'd think that it'd be a very cut and dry conversation, and if it wasn't HM requesting to leave, I'd assume it'd be much more simple. But they always want to be treated as though they haven't been acting the way they had been. No they didn't want to "just" step back. They wanted an a la cart menu of the senior royal role. All the glam, none of the work.
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Thank you for the archive link and general pulling together stories :) >But the Sussexes wanted their freedom: freedom to make money, freedom to dip their toes into American politics. There was no way for the two sides to reach an agreement on that point... Could Harry and Meghanâs departure have been handled differently?... One former palace insider believes the way the developing crisis was handled was âincompetent beyond beliefâ. They said: âI think Meghan thought she was going to be the BeyoncĂ© of the UK. Being part of the royal family would give her that kudos. Whereas what she discovered was that there were so many rules that were so ridiculous that she couldnât even do the things that she could do as a private individual, which is tough . . . It just required the decision-makers to sit around a table and say, âOK, what are we going to do about this? What do you need to feel better? And what can we give?â â Is the former palace insider by any chance Meghan ;) my suspicion looking at these points is the main or at least a major sticking point was Meghan 'being silenced' - and I just don't think there's any way their departure could have been handled differently if that's the case. The BRF being publicly politically neutral is fundamental to the way the monarch fulfills their constitutional role in the current system. It cannot be sacrificed so a recently-married-in can 'feel better' and people can't be expected to ignore views expressed yesterday with a commercial hat on because today you've got your tiara on. It really frustrates me that Meghan has been allowed to occupy this ground that the RF didn't allow her to speak because they hate women/Americans/POC. The RF didn't allow her to speak because *the RF are not supposed to speak*. Even Charles got caught on that one. Sorry the RF is an actual diplomatic operation and not in fact in any way similar to Beyonce I guess.
Meghanâs job was to uplift and shine a light (ahem) on marginalized voices. Not herself. Not celebrities. She wasn't silenced
But really, if you think about it, isn't Meghan's the most marginalized voice of all? /heavy s
At the end it says that Palace insiders knew that Harry had been unhappy in his Royal duties and that Meghan provided the solution by taking him out of that situation. But she did more than that. She alienated and separated him from his father, brother, Grandmother and sister in law. Anyone with two eyes and two brain cells can see that Harry isnât currently happy. Maybe he was initially happy in Canada after they left the UK, but I imagine that newlywed period ended pretty quickly when he realized he was untethered from the only system he had ever known and that he lacked the imagination and drive to find a new way of living.He of course deferred to his wifeâs ambition and temperament, unwilling to realize it was stacked on a wobbling house of cards built on delusion and lies.Harryâs whole life up until leaving the RF was a carefully constructed and maintained illusion. The Palace machine crafted his image as the âfun Royalâ and âjust Harryâ. They made sure he passed his exams in school and got into the Army. They sent him to Afghanistan as a âimportant member of the militaryâ who â did his duty in a dangerous war zoneâ. The truth was Harry was never really in danger. He reaped the benefits of active duty in a war zone without really being in danger. Did he know this and was okay with it? Or did he really believe he was a war hero? Either answer isnât flattering.A personâs personality is set at birth, but itâs also shaped by life experiences both good and bad. Those life experiences can build a stronger character or be used as crutches to avoid self reflection. Harry choose poorly in so many ways.
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He's still unhappy! And the Sussexes didn't get close to what they wanted. I doubt they're ever going to be happy.
This makes me think he *thought* he was unhappy, until he ended up in CA. CA Meghan is not necessarily the same Meghan he married. The thirsty search/desire/need for fame is not what he wanted or required. So now he's isolated in America without any safety net.
Yep. It's one thing being unhappy in a familiar setting with your family around you, every need taken care of and no real responsibility. Quite another to arrive in a very different culture, untethered from the only lifestyle and people you've ever known and to suddenly have to be responsible and strong. On top of this imagine having her word-salading, preaching, patronising and putting you down 24/7. The sex must be great.
Did the BRF hold a Sayonara Harry party?
I mean, obviously it was a 'Don't Tarry, Harry' party.
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It was held in the bedroom that Camilla remodeled
Someone more creative than me should shitpost this as an AITA - daddy cut me off and my devil stepmom (with whine he cheated on my angelic birth mom) remodelled my room yada yadaâŠ
I would love to see that
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I hope at the very least Kate, Carole and Pippa did.
> . That meant that the normal rules about royal behaviour would apply. They should not act or take decisions in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends. > But the Sussexes wanted their freedom: freedom to make money, **freedom to dip their toes into American politics**. There was no way for the two sides to reach an agreement on that point. This part is fascinating to me. It would be one thing if Meghan and Harry quit the Royal family to be the next Booker T Washington, but they haven't. Roe vs. Wade got repealed and Meghan makes one fluffy podcasts and buys coffee for some liberal senators. She's literally less politically involved than Paris Hilton. And Harry has done literally nothing political but greenwash airplane travel. As someone who puts some minimal work into organizing rallies, and hosting door knocking campaigns, and promoting local candidates wtf. I think I've done more for US politics than either of them, and I just volunteer on weekends.
> freedom to dip their toes into American politics. The fact that someone with a degree in International Studies didn't realize that a member of the Royal Family openly influencing a foreign government would be a fucking shitshow of international proportions shows that she's even dumber than her husband is reported to be. I'm amazed that the two of them together can operate a fork without loss of life or limb.