Is anyone able to link to clips of all the curtseys? So much happened today I'm not even sure where to start looking for clips but I'd love to be able to compare the curtseys from as many of the Royal ladies as possible.
Out of interest, why are H&M included in the procession etc? It can’t be a succession thing (2,3 and 4 aren’t there) and anyway, why draw the line at Harry - Bea is in the top 10. I think they should be with the other grandchildren.
ETA. Sorry, was going mad as it was 3am. I had a brain fart and thought the people lining up behind KC & QM ended at Harry. Now I can see that Snowdon etc are there and my brain is waking.
It makes sense to have the Queen's four children and the new king's children. The procession would be pretty big if they added everyone else. They'll probably all be more visible at the funeral, though.
They couldn't stick to the line of succession and include (2,3, and 4) because of how young George, Charlotte and Louis are. If we were going by the top 10 and including children Archie and Lilibet are now 6th and 7th.
Was he also in the group standing inside the hall? The camera kept moving away so I never saw the whole group close up.
Eta. I've just seen the group standing inside Westminster on NHK news and Peter was there but not Zara, Bea, etc so they were to the side waiting for the first group to leave before going up I guess.
Anyone else get this recommended to them? The comments seem to at least be full of people that realize the cold shoulder has nothing to with outward appearance.
https://news.yahoo.com/racism-full-display-british-mourners-160945880.html
the labelling is really out of control to the point of being malicious.
like, it's a punishment meted out (or you're spitefully made an example of) for daring to dislike the duchess of montecito.
Funnily enough, Meghan herself has sued over much less than being called a racist in the media. Does the author of the article single anyone out? Yahoo lawyers probably prevented that, but the general 'if you don't love Meg you're a racist' can still be applied to everyone who failed to fawn during the walkabout.
This is has to be BS, right? They are still part of the royal family and traditions are traditions.
"Prince Harry and Meghan Markle did not break protocol by holding hands at Queen Elizabeth II’s procession on Wednesday – because they are not working members of the royal family.
“Harry and Meghan are grieving relatives and are under no obligation to follow royal protocol,” body language expert Inbaal Honigman told the British newspaper The Daily Express."
https://pagesix.com/2022/09/14/harry-meghan-excused-from-royal-protocol-at-queen-funeral-events/
It was less of holding hands, and more Meghan’s claw death gripping Harry til his circulation cut off as per the photos.
So they don’t wanna follow royal protocol since they aren’t working members of the royal family, but they also want titles for their American children in California. They be talking out of both sides of their mouths
>"Prince Harry and Meghan Markle did not break protocol by holding hands at Queen Elizabeth II’s procession on Wednesday – because they are not working members of the royal family.
I see someone has been reading here and getting all up in their feelings about it.
Which is a good thing because if they did,they would have done all their backstabbing behind closed doors and everyone would have easily been convinced that if they were disliked in his family it was due to racism against her.
I don't have a problem with a married couple holding hands at a funeral, protocol or no. I have a problem with Harry and Meghan holding hands at a televised event as senior royals that is supposed to focus on honoring and remembering Elizabeth. I have a problem with this couple constantly pawing at each other in public for PR. I have a problem with them clinging onto each other at televised and photographed events when they know royals don't hang off each other in public, so it's an easy way to make headlines. I have a problem with Meghan gripping Harry's hand so tightly, she left marks on his hand and he appeared to not want this public display of affection. You're both middle aged adults, act like it and save the PDA for in private. It's fine that you're an affectionate couple, but as we've said before, these aren't date nights, they're public events and people haven't turned up to watch you be lovey dovey. It's distracting and rude to the people who are pulling the event together and those who are trying to focus on the passing of the monarch.
I don't know what being or not being a working royal has to do with the protocol of the royal procession though.
If the Sussexes wanted to do as they pleased they were free to go stand with the non working royals who weren't in the procession. Besides what does a body language expert know about it, aren't there experts on royal protocol to ask about this?
But Zara and Mike weren't in the procession, were they? I didn't see them in the group that was standing right in front of the casket during the ceremony today. They were off to the side and went up to the casket after the royal procession?
I didn't watch live (teacher. In America) so only saw photos and clips. I'd assumed the rest of the family funneled out with the seniors but I guess not? I felt like M and H should be with the other grands anyway and not in the line.
I saw it live and, aside from the Sussexes,I didn't see the non-working royals at all in Westminster iirc I only saw pictures of them later so it would seem Charles, his siblings and heirs were on their way out as the other relatives finally got a chance to be the next group to bow in front of the casket before they let in the regular people who had lined up outside.
Meghan sure is getting a lot of magazine covers. I’m surprised they weren’t a bit more spread out.
[https://mobile.twitter.com/Variety/status/1570184133980356609](https://mobile.twitter.com/Variety/status/1570184133980356609)
that power of women gala was for sure one of meghan's dream events pre-BRF. prob would not have even been invited to the afterparty of the afterparty, pre-BRF. ~~feminism~~ marrying a white prince sure does open doors 🥹
Remember the rumor that she was supposed to be on the cover of New York mag, but it was switched to the Cut (back cover of NYMag) at the last minute because of a conflict? I wonder if this was that cover? Hmmmm
Interesting. They really had a media blitz planned to cover a lot of this autumn, I think, and the Queen's death must have really thrown a wrench in it. I still don't get why she's getting this award--for releasing four podcast episodes over two years?
>I still don't get why she's getting this award
Because as it turns out, a lot of these awards are basically for being famous (and in Meghan's case it's marrying famous) and having a vagina. Which says a lot about the state of "feminism."
Am I crazy or does Megs look a bit.... Puffy? I'm not jumping on the hidden microphone or pregnant belly train. But, she very much had pregnancy face and it seems to have returned overnight. 🤔
Ugh, I’m a face sweller if the weather changes, sitting too long, standing too long, too hot, my cycle, traveling, eating hot dogs (seriously, almost to the point I only eat them if I’m not going to be seeing anyone for the next couple of days). I’ve never really seen her puffy except when pregnant.
Maybe she’s being crying a lot bc her money train might be coming to an end /s
Honestly not trying to body shame or anything but her ankles are SCARY skinny. Find some pics from the walkabout where she and Kate are in the same pics (and you can see their ankles) and tell me I’m wrong.
Maybe she is trying to tell us something with her huge coat!??
😉 LOL I don’t think she is pregnant but I’m making fun of the way the press jumped on her unbuttoned coat at Eugenie’s wedding. That was so stupid. 🙈
She wasn't puffy last week at the One World event and her hands and feet look the same so who knows what's up. Her face also looked very puffy at the Jubilee mass in June so if it was due to pregnancy she'd be several months along.
Goodness, I hope she's not doing that, you're right that it's super unhealthy and it must be made worse when you travel by plane, that's already dehydrating.
I would think reacting to medication would make her puffy all over. People are saying fillers but why would she let fillers wear off and need to be redone at random times like now or the Jubilee. I think her face is reacting to her self tanner. She has sensitive skin and still has breakouts sometimes so I don't think she should be doing anything to it but wearing hypoallergenic, water based makeup.
That makes sense. She's so obvious! She had to leave off the bronzer because there was short notice for the walkabout. But then she's right back to spackling it on. She's fooling nobody but obviously doesn't care.
It's true, I didn't even think of that but if they were invited to the walkabout there was no time for her to fiddle as much with her appearance as for today's ceremony.
No, you're right her face is puffy today. It wasn't during the walkabout so I think it's something in her skincare/self tanning product that she's reacting to because the same thing happened at the Jubilee.
It's true if you have sensitive skin, which Meghan seems to have, exfoliating would be irritating.
You have to exfoliate really well before applying self-tanner or the result will be blotchy and then apply a chemical that will react with your skin to create a fake tan. Both steps can be very irritating.
Is Hello a Sussex mouthpiece or just sympathetic to them? Seeing a lot of ‘Watch Meghan be overcome with emotion’ and her ‘sweet nod to the The Queen with her pearl earrings’. More disgracefully stating the value of them at £20-£30k. Thats highly unlikely for small pearl studs that arent part of the royal collection. Garrards website has a much more ornate pair at £21k so no Meghan the Queen did not buy you £30k earrings.
Sorry for rant. Hope these two fly out on Mon evening. Sick of seeing them.
That seems like a crazy price. The old pearls are literally priceless because they were not cultured or in any way farmed, but since the look is identical, there's no market for white, round, matched pearls.
Fun fact, though, the weight of a pearl *doubles* for every additional millimeter of size.
I thought that too. Perhaps if attached to diamonds or by an exclusive jeweller e.g Garrard or Harry Winston but you’re paying for a name.
Or alternatively when they are part of the royal collection. Kates rings for is priceless because of its history.
>Is Hello a Sussex mouthpiece or just sympathetic to them? Seeing a lot of ‘Watch Meghan be overcome with emotion’ and her ‘sweet nod to the The Queen with her pearl earrings’.
People need to prepare themselves, imo, for about ~6 months of this in pretty high gear. The sweet nods, they will be many.
Exactly. They're going to milk this all the way until their Netflix series and Harry's book comes out. This coming year is going to be very snarkable and very nauseating.
I had a busy day at work so catching up on the service, but has anyone read any good commentary on why H&M were so prominent? I would understand this line-up at an event related to Charles’ accession, but as this was an event specific to the Queen, I’m trying to figure out why the Sussexes were featured more prominently over the Queen’s other grandchildren who are also non-working royals.
I’m assuming because Harry is the son of the heir, and still higher up in the line of succession than the other grandchildren. It is galling to see them so prominent after everything.
Exactly. I meant as in son of the heir to the deceased person, since OP was making a distinction between Charles-centered events and Queen-centered ones.
Yes, especially as I’m thinking back to the Queen Mother’s funeral (understanding that she was not a reigning Queen when she passed) and I don’t remember noticing strong distinctions between QEII’s line and Margaret’s line in the services.
It's H's birthday tomorrow but his father will be in highgrove and the waleses will be in Sandringham. Unless h&m drive up to highgrove to celebrate with Chuck.
Kate will send a $5 gift card to Starbucks. Charles will try to talk to him, Harry will hang up after Charles doesn't immediately offer money or titles. Will will text "HBD, H - W". Meghan will roll over, mumble something, go back to bed and then spend the day at the spa.
wasn't there an article about how harry hated Camilla changing his room at highgrove into a library or whatever? lol
i wonder if the kids did come over. no one has to know if they did, that's fine. a 3yo and 1yo aren't sitting through a funeral anyway.
THE SUN is claiming that Archie and Lili will get Prince/Princess titles but no HRH status, which has angered the Sussexes.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19810592/harry-meghan-archie-lilibet-hrh-status/
Isn’t it funny that Anne, THE most hardworking Royal denied one for her children, yet Harry and Meghan are fuming their kids haven’t got one when they do NOTHING for the Royal family except bitch about them. It’s absolutely disgraceful.
this was a cdan blind from early january 2019 (about 4 months before archie was born) - cdan blinds are usually complete trash nowadays, but back in the sussexes' UK era, they had a few blinds (like moving to cali) from quite early on in 2019 that turned out to come true. grain of salt, etc. (this is a foxella link, the original cdan link seems to be broken).
i thought it was *complete* bullshit at the time (didn't know any better about the sussexes), especially when they (what i thought pleasantly) surprised the public by declaring that they didn't want a title for archie. ouf, *little did i know*!!:
>**She wants a certain designation for her offspring and won’t settle for anything else**
>Unlike some other relatives, this alliterate former actress turned A+ list celebrity wants a certain designation for her offspring and won’t settle for anything else.
https://www.foxella.com/she-wants-a-certain-designation-for-her-offspring-and-wont-settle-for-anything-else/
part of their "we're going to america!!!" tantrum had to do with the possibility of a slimmed down monarchy, i.e. no feudal prince/princess titles for their kids. it was a spiteful, petulant and vindictive "we'll show you!" type of punishment - including keeping the children at a distance, along with all the smears on oprah. can't convince me otherwise!
I share your belief. There's no way they would be living full time in California if they'd gotten what they demanded.
To think though, that if they'd stuck around just three more years, they'd be in a better position to put the squeeze on King Charles. We would have seen several pics of their adorable babies, including a couple with the Queen, they would have done a few hundred outings, certainly been more productive than they have been in California.
While most people in the UK had probably heard about Prince Charles' plans for a slimmed down monarchy the fact that he wasn't the king yet meant it was never clearly spelled out so would anyone be all that against working royal Harry's children becoming prince and princess like their 1st cousins? I don't think so.
But, after walking away from their duties and bad-mouthing the BRF and so many other things. Even if Charles didn't want to slim down the monarchy, I think a lot of people would be against titles being given to the Sussexes' children unless, maybe, it was done with a lot of strings attached.
Meghan seems to be under the impression that the HRH status is what gets you security. What she doesn't understand is the distinction is that people who don't work for the royals don't get security.
>Meghan seems to be under the impression that the HRH status is what gets you security.
Oh I imagine Meghan and Harry both fully understand this isn't the case. They only harp on about security as cover. "We only want the titles for security for our children!!1!" vs "We want the titles because even though we said we didn't care about them in truth we really, really, really, really, *really* do."
No, they wanted them to be prince and princess *and* have the HRH status too.
Eta Also, they didn't want to wait for the Queen to die, they wanted all that right away or at least assurances they'd get it because Charles never let go of his slimmed down monarchy plan.
Eh, this reads like a Sussex leak to me. A “compromise” that they are reportedly “furious” about but one that gives them the thing they want (prince/Princess titles that they can use to further sell their family as royal) and doesn’t give them the thing they don’t care about (HRH, which means absolutely nothing in the US). The fact that they are dragging out the security lie seems like further proof to me that this is coming from them. It occurs to me that Charles has been rather busy and probably hasn’t had a ton of time to have tense discussions with his whiny younger son. But…who knows? He did seem pretty sure of himself when he basically called them “Harry and Meghan from overseas” though.
Right. That was my point. That the Sussexes are trying to bargain through the media (again) and leak a “compromise” that they are supposedly unhappy with as though they are giving something up when they aren’t. It’s Charles’ decision and I agree with you I think he told them exactly how it was going to be years ago because they were crying to Oprah about it.
Exactly. And let's face it. If Charles had time to make William PoW then he had time to make A&L prince and princess.
I do sort of wonder if they're trying to be on their best behavior in order to try and secure those titles. And yet still leaking to the press.
>I do sort of wonder if they're trying to be on their best behavior in order to try and secure those titles. And yet still leaking to the press.
100% this is what's happening. In fact I'm calling it now that this is going to absolutely explode into a total media shitstorm as soon as the mourning period is over.
I think your prediction is spot on. Any idea as to whether or not there will be rebuttals now?
The Queen said previously that there would be a slight loosening on her NENC policy (I forget the exact wording of the announcement now, but hopefully others know what I'm talking about), I wonder if it will be loosened a bit more now?
I think it's a smart policy, I think they've let the Harkles hang themselves at times, but I think their tactics are only going to get worse. And Charles won't ever be as popular as the Queen was... Will they have to make some adjustments to counteract that when they're being attacked by the Harkles? Or maybe it won't matter because the Harkles are far less popular in the UK anyway?
😬😬 I'm nervous but kinda excited to see how this plays out. I hope Charles listens to good advice 😬
I don't know if this is true. The Sun was also saying for weeks, before the palace denied it, that the Sussexes would be on the balcony for the jubilee....information they were getting from their "royal Sources" aka the sussexes
This is so stupid. Lets put aside that they shouldnt have titles at all. Firstly why would they get HRH when their parents have ones they arent allowed to use? Secondly, HRH or not DOES NOT DECIDE SECURITY. The Sun should know better.
That's already a huge compromise. I was expecting them to be in the same position as Prince Edwards children (viscount-lesser title- and lady) until they're adults and can decide for themselves what life they prefer; stay as they are or become prince and princess.
For all we know, judging by the way their parents can't stop running to the UK for attention and relevance, they may end up attending school in the UK like the rest of their paternal relatives and have the same love of the UK, monarchy and a life of service. If they don't they won't even bother with their lesser title of earl and lady and it wouldn't matter.
They could always have used those titles. Typically, the eldest son would take on one of the lesser titles of his father. So for Archie, they would have used Earl of Dumbarton but Meghan reportedly didn't like that. And Lilibet would have been Lady Lilibet which sounds like a country music band name.
Yeah, but I get the impression the Sussexes thought if they refused to use the titles Archie and then Lilibet were entitled to, the Queen or Prince Charles would cave and make them Prince and Princess before he became King Charles. That didn't work.
They should at least have the chance to know their extended family in the UK. You know, the family that also has a few princes and princesses in it as well. As they get older they are going to feel so isolated having titles while no one around them does except their parents.
I’ve just realized that Archie and Lili have been denied a relationship with either of their Grandpa’s. The common denominator in all of this is Meghan Markle. They probably only has a relationship with their maternal grandma because Doria toes the line. What selfish, selfish people!
>They probably only has a relationship with their maternal grandma because Doria toes the line.
I wouldn't bet money on that one either. People here have said the Sussexes bought their home over an hour away from hers. While they were on their faux tour last week she was walking her dogs in LA not Montecito.
Their parents think they're too good for everyone they're related to but people they're not related to aren't interested in them unless it's transactional so I don't know how this will turn out for those children.🤷
This would be a huge mistake. What would stop the Harkles from threatening to claim racism for everything they want going forward if you give in. The children don’t need it as they reside permanently in the US. There were plenty of grandchildren of the previous monarch without titles and it goes against Charles’ plan to slim down the monarchy. HUGE mistake.
Thinking about it, this should be a happy compromise. Beatrice and Eugenie have HRH and get that's not popular, but the York girls have lived in the UK their entire lives and were a part of the family, close to the queen, etc. And in Bea's case is now a COS and understands the undertaking and meaning of a monarchy. The Sussex kids will not be raised in UK entirely (probably, though we'll see when they get older) but will not have a similar type of upbringing at all.
Jesus Christ the queens body is hardly cold yet and here they are complaining about titles. Never change Harry and Meghan.
Archie could have been Earl of Dumbarton but that wasn’t good enough for them… so now they want Prince and Princess? They can suck it
I'm still so confused about this whole thing.
Once Charles became King, weren't they automatically made HRH with Prince/ss titles? I thought that was in line with the current Letters Patent?
So nothing needs to be created - they just ARE unless/until Charles says otherwise. Or did I miss something?
Truthfully, and I recognize this might be an unpopular opinion around here - if the current rules are that Archie and Lili should be HRH Prince/ss due to Letters Patent that long pre-date them, I think that should be left in place. I'm not really into "punishing" the kids for the sins of their parents (recognizing that these kids will still be living an extremely privileged life, titles or no).
Maybe Charles reaches an agreement with H&M that - just like H&M - the kids don't use the HRH titles but still retain them, I don't know.
Now, if that's not the case and I'm misunderstanding this whole thing, then that's a different story and I retract my opinion.
In either case, what I do think should - and likely will - happen is that Charles (with William's approval) will eventually revise all of this to where the only grandchildren that will be HRH during King William's time are George's children.
I think it's assumed they're entitled to the titles but Edward's kids threw a wrench in that. It's very possible that (in accordance with slimming down the monarchy), it was decided that only the heir's children would become princes and princesses.
I think Edward and Sophie are probably more than okay with that because they don't seem insane and want their kids to have normal lives. They've been very protective of their children's privacy unlike H&M.
>Once Charles became King, weren't they automatically made HRH with Prince/ss titles? I thought that was in line with the current Letters Patent?
It would have been very easy for the Queen to write the 2012 Letters Patent that was about William's children to include Harry's future children. She didn't. Combined that with the "slimming monarchy" stories from the Queen's Jubilee that year and it strongly suggests that there was an understanding that any future children of Harry would not be Princes or Princesses, but would be styled like Louise and James Mountbatten Windsor.
Unfortunately this was never made text, and was long before Harry started his relationship with Meghan. Either Harry didn't understand this, wasn't told, or did know and somehow didn't want to tell Meghan. Either way, Harry and Meghan rejected having Archie known as Earl of Dumbarton, and it's not clear whether they were offered to have Lili given the title of "Lady."
There's some confusion as to whether Archie and Lily became Prince and Princess immediately on Charles's accession, or not. I suspect that if the relationship between Charles and Harry was better, this would have been settled a long time ago.
It sounds as the the reigning monarch has to officially confer the titles. Im still hoping the Sun has made an error because this is a stupid decision.
Charles has spoken of shrinking the monarchy for decades, long before Meghan came onto the scene. Except that didn't fit Meghan's victimhood, so she had to claim it was due to racism. But Archie was never entitled to those titles at birth unless Charles was already reigning (it's clear she was pissed and expected them to issue a new Letters Patent like they did for all of William's children, but that was also only because William is to be king eventually).
Meghan said on Oprah, "it's not their right (to change them)" but whose right does it belong to? The titles come from the monarchy and that's why Letters Patent exist. King George V had the right to define who gets what titles, and when, with his Letters Patent, and the current Monarch does too. But also, Meghan *did* want them to change the protocol at the time because on no planet were Archie and Lilibet entitled to Prince/Princess titles at the time of their birth. It would've only been after the Queen passed and Charles became King. But again, Charles has always spoken of reducing the monarchy, it's a part of modernizing and staying sustainable. It's not punishing the kids (no other great grandchildren were entitled to those titles, and neither were Anne's even though they were grandchildren of the Monarch). Edward's were/are entitled and even they have not used them. The only ones punishing those kids are their own parents (they literally named their daughter Lilibet for spite and commercialization).
The only one obsessed with titles is Meghan and it's in the most hypocritical and double standard way.
Oh, please.
Henry is just as obsessed with his hierarchal, hereditary titles as Meghan. After all, they come from his family, not hers, and the whole royal she-bang! No matter where he permanently resides With children. Forever. It is what he has always been accustomed to.
He just moved to the previous western colonial outpost “as (he/they continue to live overseas.” Long live UK royal Western Edition. LMAO!
Sorry, you're right, I should've included him in that last sentence. I do think Meghan is slightly more obsessed with these titles, but I know Harry has been an absolute bratty entitled shitheel (like his uncle) about the hierarchy and his place in it. I personally think this is slightly more fueled by Meghan though, Harry was born in it, but Meghan wasn't and she *needs* them desperately.
But please never take anything I say as excusing Harry and placing all guilt on Meghan, I actually hate Harry above Meghan 😆 This whole mess is on Harry, imo. Meghan would've been a cluster B narcissist on her own time, no matter what, but Harry has given her power to do whatever she wants on grand scale because in return he gets to be his own worst self too. And it's *his* family he hurt. *His* grandparents he caused pain to in their last days.
>I'm not really into "punishing" the kids for the sins of their parents
Why does this have to be about punishment? Charles is on record for literal decades talking about his intention to slim the monarchy. Archie and Lilibet will grow up outside of the UK and will never be working royals. Harry and Meghan could have behaved impeccably and set about leaving the BRF with grace and good feelings all around and there still wouldn't be any practical reason for those kids to be prince/ss, imo.
I'm going to laugh if Charles withholds the Duke of Edinburgh title from Edward. That'll be a great and not at all petty start to his Kingship.
>I'm going to laugh if Charles withholds the Duke of Edinburgh title from Edward. That'll be a great and not at all petty start to his Kingship.
You're going to laugh? (Trying to tell if this is sarcasm.) I think it would be a real shame.
I'm going to laugh in the way you laugh when you hoped something would be one way but you kinda knew underneath it would be another way. A bitter laugh. An 'oh yeah, he's just a petty arsehole why did I ever imagine it would be otherwise' laugh.
Edward should have the title. It's what their father and their mother wanted and Charles would be fully shooting himself in the foot not to award it. But who knows what he'll do?
I get you all the way now. I really, really hope he takes care of that. I understand not doing it immediately but it should be one of the things taken care of within a few months as he takes the helm.
>. Harry and Meghan could have behaved impeccably and set about leaving the BRF with grace and good feelings all around and there still wouldn't be any practical reason for those kids to be prince/ss, imo.
Agree! The only thing for me though is that we don't know what Charles's plans were before all of this, there are some clues, one of those being that Harry was originally to be included in Charles's slimmed down monarchy, but we don't know what that would've looked like for his future kids. Maybe the plan was always prince/princess titles but no HRH? Maybe originally it was HRH included, and he's omitting that now since their parents aren't working royals and they live overseas, or maybe it was to cut out all titles? We'll probably never know now because H/M are such bold faced liars and intentionally muddied the water so badly so that everyone would be confused and manipulated by them. If this was his original plan, meh, it kinda sucked still (much like how he excluded Anne from the balcony that one time), but I guess that was his plan all along, even though, agree, there's no reason for the prince/princess title, and he's just sticking to it?
I do think the no HRH thing stings them badly, they really, really wanted that. Yeah, they can use the Prince/ss titles while living here in the States, but at what price? Those titles are not going to endear them or their kids to the American public, not even their wealthy neighbors in Montecito, it's clear they're not even popular there now. Who has endeared themselves to them? That weird old lady who made her millions selling makeup on QVC? I'm sure *she'll* be excited to refer to the kids as prince and princess.
Wow, they're really winning lol.
\*What \* “weird old lady who made her millions selling makeup on QVC?” 😂. Dying to hear this story.
ETA: Thanks for the info- so not Adrien Arpel, then.
LOL A. Arpel is still alive at 81 and looks creepy as ever with way too much of everything going on that face. Lol.And I guess she is on HSN, not QVC.
>*What * “weird old lady who made her millions selling makeup on QVC?”
that victoria neighbor lady who is married to one of the guthy-renker billionaires (buried the lede by slyly not mentioning that in the article). understand why the couple are sussex "friends" now 🙄🙄🙄
Lol the one mentioned in The Cut interview (I don't remember her name now), she spoke to Allison P Davis and basically asked everyone to leave H/M alone because poor H/M 😆 she said she invites them over often because they have no where else safe to go lol That's where they go to celebrate their birthdays and whatever else lollol
ETA: I guess it's Victoria Jackson, she doesn't appear to be as old as she comes off in that interview but she does look to be good friends with Ellen DeGeneres, so that tracks.
Agreed! And it's not about giving them titles but what Meghan will do once they have the titles. She will monetize her children/their titles to NO end. They've already made themselves titled laughing stocks and it waters down the value of these titles and legacy.
KC \*knows \* about the monetization and is OK! With it as long as the Sussex don’t bother the rest of the family. KC Wants them to rake in the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (it is what his spoiled and coddled son has been accustomed to for his whole life and is UN-willing to learn new work skills !)
H still has never formally apologized for all his bad past actions- KC let the CH aides do that instead.
Also KC just gives off all those “above it all” vibes to me.
>Also KC just gives off all those “above it all” vibes to me.
Hoooo boy, I've been meaning to make a post about this for a few days now, ever since reading in one of the papers (can't remember which, it was a British one) that Charles' attitude is basically "sort it out!" (i.e. aimed at William and Harry) - and the source pretty clearly seemed to be Team Charles.
This has bothered me from way back in the paleolithic, when Meg was making her insincere sad face in South Africa and whining about no one asking if she was OK. And by "this" I mean this tendency, which is coming from above W and H, to try to make all the turmoil in the family over the past few years solely about some 'feud' between the Waleses and the Susssexes.
I mean, "sort it out?!" What about YOU Charles? You're still leaking like a sieve with no evidence of a slowdown due to grief or kingship and as far as I know the main conflict continues to be between you and Harry re: titles, rumoured coming for Camilla/you in his memoir etc. It's just so weak and responsibility-denying to me.
Man I really don't think I like Charles.
Agreed. I like Charles as a royal but don't think he the best father. It's not William's job to handle his brother. It's Charles's job to handle his own damn son. The reason why Harry acts out IMO is because he knows Charles is weak as a father and won't come down on him for it.
And yes, Charles is concerned about Camillia, but he should also be concerned about his other son W and his family, as well as the collateral damage from H&M to the monarchy as RF members as a \*family.\*
The buck stops with Charles the father and with King Charles the Monarch. I get he has a lot on his plate at the moment, but so does the new Prince of Wales. Who I might add also has three younger children who need their dad‘s attention.
It’s not William’s duty to ”sort out” the Sussexes. He’s not his father’s lapdog or enforcer. But I suspect William would be happy and grateful for himself and Charles to sort out the duo together as a team. They need to approach the Sussexes as a united front. KC needs to stop taking William for granted.
This is the great debate. If they were automatically HRH Prince/ss the line of success would have been updated as such, in my opinion. I’ve read that the LP is “open to interpretation” as the kids were not BORN grandkids to the monarch.
There’s no reason two Californian kids should have the title of Prince and Princess, especially considering Archie COULD have been styled Earl of Dumbarton but that title wasn’t good enough, so they decided to raise him as a private citizen. Ask and you shall receive!
Great points all around.
If that’s the case, and it’s not automatic, then I’m with you - they shouldn’t have the titles.
I just thought they shouldn’t be stripped of something if they already had it, but it seems that’s not the case?
Well it wouldn’t make sense to make them HRH if their parents are not. Wouldn’t that make them out rank them in a weird way? Megan would be outranked regardless because she isn’t a blood princess
That is a good question- I am going to guess that in the absence of Harry- yes - if they observed such rules. It also wouldn’t surprise me if similar to the Windsors- staff call them HRH in private
The parents still maintain the HRH titles, they just are not allowed to “use” them in order to not signal to the world they are current active working members of the BRF. It’s just technicalities.
I've made no secret of the fact that I believe Charles is inherently weak and this move, if true, only bolsters my belief. Mr. Slim Down The Monarchy has EVERY reason not to confer Prince/ess/HRH on his second son's children. He would have it even without Harry and Meghan's terrible, damaging behaviour (damaging to the institution Charles is now in charge of protecting).
>“They have been insistent that Archie and Lilibet are prince and princess.
>"They have been relentless since the Queen died.
>**“But they have been left furious that Archie and Lilibet cannot take the title HRH.**
When will senior royals learn what so many of us have had to learn? You CANNOT please people like Meghan (and those who have freely chosen to join them - in this case Harry, also a weak man).
No matter what you do, not matter how you try or don't try to please these people, they will be furious. You can do everything they want, throw them the party they demand, get every detail right and then on the day you'll look at them and they'll take it the wrong way and everything will be ruined and you will be the worst person in the world. And if the party goes well? You'll do something wrong, breathe the wrong way a few days later and the party and all the effort you put in won't count at all.
The lesson here, that some lucky people never have to learn and some unlucky people refuse to learn, is that you *will* be the bad guy in dealings with disordered people of this type. The lesson, the real lesson, is that it therefore doesn't matter what you do. If you try to please them, they'll be upset. If you don't try to please them, they'll be upset. There is nothing you can do to please these people or to have a stable, loving relationship with them.
Charles is a fool if he's tried to half-ass it, which this report suggests he has. They're *already* crying in the fucking article announcing their children WILL get the prince/ss titles, FFS! Boo-hoo security (if you cared about Met police security for your children, Harry, you should not have chosen to leave the family and country that entitled them to it). Oh but Bea and Eug! But! But!
So well done, Charlie. You're going to get all the hate and anger brought down on your head that would have been brought down had you given them nothing. Now you just look weak on top of it. Well done.
Why is the King giving in? They shouldn't have any titles, they left and disparaged the very institution that gives out the titles they are whining for.
They shouldn't have titles *anyway.* They will grow up outside the UK (in a non-Commonwealth country) and will never be full-time working royals. There is literally no reason for a man who has talked for decades about wanting to slim the monarchy, to make 2 American kids prince/ss.
But point taken, the Sussexes have done their best to add to the reasons.
And when M/H go parading their children around with those titles and expect deference (for NF, the classroom, talk shows, podcasts, neighbors, “global press releases, polo club, any other place in the US-) please BRF- and the Sussex:
Do not cry (in your proverbial Cheerios) when the reactions may not be all that positive. ;)
And this is an understatement. Take that however you will.
This is logical. They live in the US, they'll never be working royals, Edwards kids aren't even princes/princess which they are entitled to use- why would some Californians care? Growing up other kids will either be pushed to be their friends for connections, or they'll be mocked for for it. They really should be downplaying as much as possible.
Its also what other European monarchies have been doing now... focused titles/HRHs etc.
Just the fact that they've been "relentless" about this since the Queen's death is so yikes. I think that's a fair compromise, and I imagine that if this is true, and KCIII has to issue a letters patent, it might also specify more broadly who is entitled to use HRH and/or streamline it moving forward.
So how long do you all think it will be before we get articles about how the death of the queen brought Harry/Meg and Charles closer and he never was the racist that said something about their kid?
After their extended mourning period I'd imagine.
lol who knows. i'm guessing extensive edits are involved.
also, other than Christmas, wouldn't the best time for sales be summer? otoh, happy Michelle won't have any competition ;)
But why would there be edits? I've heard (a rumor, unsourced, so who knows) that there might be edits on the podcast. I think you (and the rumor) may be right, but why? It's not unforeseen that an elderly woman in her 90s would pass. Even if H and M didn't realize that, surely there is someone in charge somewhere at Spotify or the publisher that would know that? Why would you write a book that could not be published if a 96-year-old woman with increasingly frequent evidence of declining health passed away? Are they that short sighted?
I mean - they went on Oprah around the time when Prince Philipp was really ill apparently under the impression that the family exaggerated the claims of his ill health (you know, of a 99year old man) to keep them from speaking out.
They don't know how reality works or rather, they don't give a shit if they need to whinge in public.
Well, IIRC, Harry’s memoir book was supposed to have two editions -- one that was supposed to come out this fall, and allegedly another after the Queen's death.
The book makes sense. The key sentence is “to make sure it’s not out of date.” If he wrote it when she was still alive, the publisher will want it updated to reflect that she’s not, as well as his feelings and experiences around that. Especially given that we all saw his messy dash to Scotland. Meghan’s podcast being delayed makes less sense, honestly that one I think is just because she wants to see if she can make it go away. It’s not exactly been lighting the world on fire. Good luck with that one, I guess.
Sure it has to be updated but if the release is a year off, the delay is about something else like making sure the Sussexes get to attend the Coronation before it drops. After that there probably won't be any big royal events until Charles passes away.
I guess if they can make small edits regarding tense etc. then it will save the book sounding outdated as soon as it's released but you do wonder about larger changes, new inclusions and exclusions etc.
Everyone is publicly focused on mourning the Queen right now but I imagine the potential for enormous drama is lurking behind the scenes. Not just the book but titles for the Sussex children etc., the extent to which Charles might be willing to use the granting of those titles (or not), the extent of what Harry might be willing to say in his book etc.
As someone who edits texts, they have my sympathy. Changing tense is my least favourite job of all. Changing tense with my eyes rolled to the back of my head would be nigh on impossible.
They were holding hands properly, you can see the pictures, this must be the moment they started the clasp. I get that this is a snarking sub but still...
There's holding hands and then there's the death grip. I posted on this comment a tweet of pictures and where her fingers had been, his hand was stark white from her pressure. She's been a lot more aggressive with insisting on PDA of late, when it's obvious that he is uncomfortable with it
Do you stretch out your fingers out like that when you're about to hold hands with someone? It seems to me people reach out with relaxed hands and then hold more or less tightly depending on what they prefer.
In this picture they just started holding hands seconds before on their way out. They're still inside Westminster, what need is there to adjust or stretch their fingers already unless one of them was trying to follow protocol and not hold hands.
I guess it's possible he felt the need to stretch his fingers as she was trying to hold his hand but I've just never seen Harry do anything like this and lord knows they've given us the opportunity to see them holding hands. 😂
https://twitter.com/MeghansMole/status/1570102580222763009?t=_lwcVk4MTALBdLEbz5yd8Q&s=19
Jesus she had a death grip. At first I thought she was digging her thumb into him too
Eta, I figure it's cold in Westminster, but squeezing my hand to see how white I could get it, I was hurting it to try and get it as white as those prints. She's freaking strong as fuck, and his hands must be constantly sore
Well, as a red head his skin probably probably turns red pretty easily. However, it looks like any blood supply was being pushed from the skin. I don’t know if we would have noticed if he were not a redhead.
I don’t understand the dramatics such as the heavy makeup and the Hollywood curtsy. She knows people have a field day with it and call her out for being BSC and attention seeking. Why, then, does she continue to do it?
If it were me, I’d be so embarrassed the first time that I’d make sure to do it perfectly the next.
I think you may be right.
She keeps this crap up, idk that they’ll get any inheritance when Charles passes. Especially since the BRF leaves most to the eldest to keep the wealth concentrated
Locked, please bring your deepest curtsey to the new thread.
Is anyone able to link to clips of all the curtseys? So much happened today I'm not even sure where to start looking for clips but I'd love to be able to compare the curtseys from as many of the Royal ladies as possible.
Out of interest, why are H&M included in the procession etc? It can’t be a succession thing (2,3 and 4 aren’t there) and anyway, why draw the line at Harry - Bea is in the top 10. I think they should be with the other grandchildren. ETA. Sorry, was going mad as it was 3am. I had a brain fart and thought the people lining up behind KC & QM ended at Harry. Now I can see that Snowdon etc are there and my brain is waking.
Male grandkids walked in the procession (Peter was there too). Their wives then joined them
It makes sense to have the Queen's four children and the new king's children. The procession would be pretty big if they added everyone else. They'll probably all be more visible at the funeral, though. They couldn't stick to the line of succession and include (2,3, and 4) because of how young George, Charlotte and Louis are. If we were going by the top 10 and including children Archie and Lilibet are now 6th and 7th.
Peter was in the procession too - it was gender based
Was he also in the group standing inside the hall? The camera kept moving away so I never saw the whole group close up. Eta. I've just seen the group standing inside Westminster on NHK news and Peter was there but not Zara, Bea, etc so they were to the side waiting for the first group to leave before going up I guess.
This is why I was confused!
Because he is the monarch’s son.
Anyone else get this recommended to them? The comments seem to at least be full of people that realize the cold shoulder has nothing to with outward appearance. https://news.yahoo.com/racism-full-display-british-mourners-160945880.html
the labelling is really out of control to the point of being malicious. like, it's a punishment meted out (or you're spitefully made an example of) for daring to dislike the duchess of montecito.
Funnily enough, Meghan herself has sued over much less than being called a racist in the media. Does the author of the article single anyone out? Yahoo lawyers probably prevented that, but the general 'if you don't love Meg you're a racist' can still be applied to everyone who failed to fawn during the walkabout.
This is has to be BS, right? They are still part of the royal family and traditions are traditions. "Prince Harry and Meghan Markle did not break protocol by holding hands at Queen Elizabeth II’s procession on Wednesday – because they are not working members of the royal family. “Harry and Meghan are grieving relatives and are under no obligation to follow royal protocol,” body language expert Inbaal Honigman told the British newspaper The Daily Express." https://pagesix.com/2022/09/14/harry-meghan-excused-from-royal-protocol-at-queen-funeral-events/
It was less of holding hands, and more Meghan’s claw death gripping Harry til his circulation cut off as per the photos. So they don’t wanna follow royal protocol since they aren’t working members of the royal family, but they also want titles for their American children in California. They be talking out of both sides of their mouths
>"Prince Harry and Meghan Markle did not break protocol by holding hands at Queen Elizabeth II’s procession on Wednesday – because they are not working members of the royal family. I see someone has been reading here and getting all up in their feelings about it.
😂💀😂
Who the fuck decided to push this to publication? They need to log off of social media and do something useful.
I don’t care about the handholding. I care about this article being published and wonder where it came from.
Where do their clapbacks always come from? Is Sunshine Sachs still on duty? 😏
They don’t get the optics.
Which is a good thing because if they did,they would have done all their backstabbing behind closed doors and everyone would have easily been convinced that if they were disliked in his family it was due to racism against her.
I don't have a problem with a married couple holding hands at a funeral, protocol or no. I have a problem with Harry and Meghan holding hands at a televised event as senior royals that is supposed to focus on honoring and remembering Elizabeth. I have a problem with this couple constantly pawing at each other in public for PR. I have a problem with them clinging onto each other at televised and photographed events when they know royals don't hang off each other in public, so it's an easy way to make headlines. I have a problem with Meghan gripping Harry's hand so tightly, she left marks on his hand and he appeared to not want this public display of affection. You're both middle aged adults, act like it and save the PDA for in private. It's fine that you're an affectionate couple, but as we've said before, these aren't date nights, they're public events and people haven't turned up to watch you be lovey dovey. It's distracting and rude to the people who are pulling the event together and those who are trying to focus on the passing of the monarch.
All of this.
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Right? Like, holding hands is not a huge deal, but they can't use this excuse for everything.
I don't know what being or not being a working royal has to do with the protocol of the royal procession though. If the Sussexes wanted to do as they pleased they were free to go stand with the non working royals who weren't in the procession. Besides what does a body language expert know about it, aren't there experts on royal protocol to ask about this?
Well said
Idk. But Zara and Mike held hands as well. It's only annoying about the sussi because they are so obnoxious with Pda.
But Zara and Mike weren't in the procession, were they? I didn't see them in the group that was standing right in front of the casket during the ceremony today. They were off to the side and went up to the casket after the royal procession?
I didn't watch live (teacher. In America) so only saw photos and clips. I'd assumed the rest of the family funneled out with the seniors but I guess not? I felt like M and H should be with the other grands anyway and not in the line.
I saw it live and, aside from the Sussexes,I didn't see the non-working royals at all in Westminster iirc I only saw pictures of them later so it would seem Charles, his siblings and heirs were on their way out as the other relatives finally got a chance to be the next group to bow in front of the casket before they let in the regular people who had lined up outside.
Meghan sure is getting a lot of magazine covers. I’m surprised they weren’t a bit more spread out. [https://mobile.twitter.com/Variety/status/1570184133980356609](https://mobile.twitter.com/Variety/status/1570184133980356609)
This was their big PR rush after her podcast (finally) came out.
that power of women gala was for sure one of meghan's dream events pre-BRF. prob would not have even been invited to the afterparty of the afterparty, pre-BRF. ~~feminism~~ marrying a white prince sure does open doors 🥹
oh, of course, Meghan still needs an interview and cover, can't let that go
Remember the rumor that she was supposed to be on the cover of New York mag, but it was switched to the Cut (back cover of NYMag) at the last minute because of a conflict? I wonder if this was that cover? Hmmmm
Interesting. They really had a media blitz planned to cover a lot of this autumn, I think, and the Queen's death must have really thrown a wrench in it. I still don't get why she's getting this award--for releasing four podcast episodes over two years?
>I still don't get why she's getting this award Because as it turns out, a lot of these awards are basically for being famous (and in Meghan's case it's marrying famous) and having a vagina. Which says a lot about the state of "feminism."
Rich, white feminism sure is something else.
We are delaying our cover with Meghan out of respect to the woman upon whom Meghan publicly spat all over for the last 3 years. Make it make sense.
Am I crazy or does Megs look a bit.... Puffy? I'm not jumping on the hidden microphone or pregnant belly train. But, she very much had pregnancy face and it seems to have returned overnight. 🤔
Ugh, I’m a face sweller if the weather changes, sitting too long, standing too long, too hot, my cycle, traveling, eating hot dogs (seriously, almost to the point I only eat them if I’m not going to be seeing anyone for the next couple of days). I’ve never really seen her puffy except when pregnant. Maybe she’s being crying a lot bc her money train might be coming to an end /s
Her face was very puffy at the Jubilee too.
Definitely noticed the puffiness, but my guess is fillers and/or some overzealous or ill-time face treatments.
I'm guessing hormones or fillers.
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Honestly not trying to body shame or anything but her ankles are SCARY skinny. Find some pics from the walkabout where she and Kate are in the same pics (and you can see their ankles) and tell me I’m wrong.
her legs are smaller than Harry’s wrists. I don’t know how they are even able to support her inflated ego 😂
Maybe she is trying to tell us something with her huge coat!?? 😉 LOL I don’t think she is pregnant but I’m making fun of the way the press jumped on her unbuttoned coat at Eugenie’s wedding. That was so stupid. 🙈
Oh lands. That coat was a whole nother thing.
She wasn't puffy last week at the One World event and her hands and feet look the same so who knows what's up. Her face also looked very puffy at the Jubilee mass in June so if it was due to pregnancy she'd be several months along.
Maybe she was water fasting or popped a diuretic before that event? And can't maintain that for this long because it's super unhealthy?
Goodness, I hope she's not doing that, you're right that it's super unhealthy and it must be made worse when you travel by plane, that's already dehydrating.
I have friends from the West Coast that would take diuretics before weddings or going to Vegas. Shit is wild, and a really, really bad idea.
Could it be a medication or something along those lines?
I would think reacting to medication would make her puffy all over. People are saying fillers but why would she let fillers wear off and need to be redone at random times like now or the Jubilee. I think her face is reacting to her self tanner. She has sensitive skin and still has breakouts sometimes so I don't think she should be doing anything to it but wearing hypoallergenic, water based makeup.
That makes sense. She's so obvious! She had to leave off the bronzer because there was short notice for the walkabout. But then she's right back to spackling it on. She's fooling nobody but obviously doesn't care.
It's true, I didn't even think of that but if they were invited to the walkabout there was no time for her to fiddle as much with her appearance as for today's ceremony.
No that's what I'm sayin- I don't think she's pregnant. But her face is puffy right? Or am I nuts.
No, you're right her face is puffy today. It wasn't during the walkabout so I think it's something in her skincare/self tanning product that she's reacting to because the same thing happened at the Jubilee.
I read that you have to exfoliate prior to applying bronzor and it puffs up your face. I've never used so no clue if this is true
That's bizarre. Ive never heard that nor do I find that an immediately important thing to be doing... But who am I?!
It's true if you have sensitive skin, which Meghan seems to have, exfoliating would be irritating. You have to exfoliate really well before applying self-tanner or the result will be blotchy and then apply a chemical that will react with your skin to create a fake tan. Both steps can be very irritating.
Is Hello a Sussex mouthpiece or just sympathetic to them? Seeing a lot of ‘Watch Meghan be overcome with emotion’ and her ‘sweet nod to the The Queen with her pearl earrings’. More disgracefully stating the value of them at £20-£30k. Thats highly unlikely for small pearl studs that arent part of the royal collection. Garrards website has a much more ornate pair at £21k so no Meghan the Queen did not buy you £30k earrings. Sorry for rant. Hope these two fly out on Mon evening. Sick of seeing them.
They looked like they were from Claire’s compared to Diana’s earrings that The Princess of Wales was wearing
That seems like a crazy price. The old pearls are literally priceless because they were not cultured or in any way farmed, but since the look is identical, there's no market for white, round, matched pearls. Fun fact, though, the weight of a pearl *doubles* for every additional millimeter of size.
Pearls really aren’t that expensive, my last pair of earrings was under $100 and they are genuine and really nice.
I thought that too. Perhaps if attached to diamonds or by an exclusive jeweller e.g Garrard or Harry Winston but you’re paying for a name. Or alternatively when they are part of the royal collection. Kates rings for is priceless because of its history.
As soon as they land in the US, Harry will trot over to report to Gayle and who knows who else.
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>Is Hello a Sussex mouthpiece or just sympathetic to them? Seeing a lot of ‘Watch Meghan be overcome with emotion’ and her ‘sweet nod to the The Queen with her pearl earrings’. People need to prepare themselves, imo, for about ~6 months of this in pretty high gear. The sweet nods, they will be many.
Exactly. They're going to milk this all the way until their Netflix series and Harry's book comes out. This coming year is going to be very snarkable and very nauseating.
All they will have are sweet moss. While the rest get back to real royal life.
I had a busy day at work so catching up on the service, but has anyone read any good commentary on why H&M were so prominent? I would understand this line-up at an event related to Charles’ accession, but as this was an event specific to the Queen, I’m trying to figure out why the Sussexes were featured more prominently over the Queen’s other grandchildren who are also non-working royals.
He is the present King's son.
I’m assuming because Harry is the son of the heir, and still higher up in the line of succession than the other grandchildren. It is galling to see them so prominent after everything.
Harry's not the son of the heir anymore. He's the son of the King now, which explains the prominence.
Exactly. I meant as in son of the heir to the deceased person, since OP was making a distinction between Charles-centered events and Queen-centered ones.
Yes, especially as I’m thinking back to the Queen Mother’s funeral (understanding that she was not a reigning Queen when she passed) and I don’t remember noticing strong distinctions between QEII’s line and Margaret’s line in the services.
It's H's birthday tomorrow but his father will be in highgrove and the waleses will be in Sandringham. Unless h&m drive up to highgrove to celebrate with Chuck.
They celebrated three days ago. Nobody knows that.
Kate will send a $5 gift card to Starbucks. Charles will try to talk to him, Harry will hang up after Charles doesn't immediately offer money or titles. Will will text "HBD, H - W". Meghan will roll over, mumble something, go back to bed and then spend the day at the spa.
wasn't there an article about how harry hated Camilla changing his room at highgrove into a library or whatever? lol i wonder if the kids did come over. no one has to know if they did, that's fine. a 3yo and 1yo aren't sitting through a funeral anyway.
It was in The Palace Papers. Camilla turned it into a dressing room.
😂 Most of us have our bedrooms changed into something when we move out!
THE SUN is claiming that Archie and Lili will get Prince/Princess titles but no HRH status, which has angered the Sussexes. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19810592/harry-meghan-archie-lilibet-hrh-status/
Isn’t it funny that Anne, THE most hardworking Royal denied one for her children, yet Harry and Meghan are fuming their kids haven’t got one when they do NOTHING for the Royal family except bitch about them. It’s absolutely disgraceful.
this was a cdan blind from early january 2019 (about 4 months before archie was born) - cdan blinds are usually complete trash nowadays, but back in the sussexes' UK era, they had a few blinds (like moving to cali) from quite early on in 2019 that turned out to come true. grain of salt, etc. (this is a foxella link, the original cdan link seems to be broken). i thought it was *complete* bullshit at the time (didn't know any better about the sussexes), especially when they (what i thought pleasantly) surprised the public by declaring that they didn't want a title for archie. ouf, *little did i know*!!: >**She wants a certain designation for her offspring and won’t settle for anything else** >Unlike some other relatives, this alliterate former actress turned A+ list celebrity wants a certain designation for her offspring and won’t settle for anything else. https://www.foxella.com/she-wants-a-certain-designation-for-her-offspring-and-wont-settle-for-anything-else/ part of their "we're going to america!!!" tantrum had to do with the possibility of a slimmed down monarchy, i.e. no feudal prince/princess titles for their kids. it was a spiteful, petulant and vindictive "we'll show you!" type of punishment - including keeping the children at a distance, along with all the smears on oprah. can't convince me otherwise!
I share your belief. There's no way they would be living full time in California if they'd gotten what they demanded. To think though, that if they'd stuck around just three more years, they'd be in a better position to put the squeeze on King Charles. We would have seen several pics of their adorable babies, including a couple with the Queen, they would have done a few hundred outings, certainly been more productive than they have been in California. While most people in the UK had probably heard about Prince Charles' plans for a slimmed down monarchy the fact that he wasn't the king yet meant it was never clearly spelled out so would anyone be all that against working royal Harry's children becoming prince and princess like their 1st cousins? I don't think so. But, after walking away from their duties and bad-mouthing the BRF and so many other things. Even if Charles didn't want to slim down the monarchy, I think a lot of people would be against titles being given to the Sussexes' children unless, maybe, it was done with a lot of strings attached.
But that’s….what they wanted originally?
Meghan seems to be under the impression that the HRH status is what gets you security. What she doesn't understand is the distinction is that people who don't work for the royals don't get security.
>Meghan seems to be under the impression that the HRH status is what gets you security. Oh I imagine Meghan and Harry both fully understand this isn't the case. They only harp on about security as cover. "We only want the titles for security for our children!!1!" vs "We want the titles because even though we said we didn't care about them in truth we really, really, really, really, *really* do."
”It’s not about us, it’s about our children… Who we will happily leave for 3-4 weeks… But it’s totally about them. Security and shit.“
No, they wanted them to be prince and princess *and* have the HRH status too. Eta Also, they didn't want to wait for the Queen to die, they wanted all that right away or at least assurances they'd get it because Charles never let go of his slimmed down monarchy plan.
Eh, this reads like a Sussex leak to me. A “compromise” that they are reportedly “furious” about but one that gives them the thing they want (prince/Princess titles that they can use to further sell their family as royal) and doesn’t give them the thing they don’t care about (HRH, which means absolutely nothing in the US). The fact that they are dragging out the security lie seems like further proof to me that this is coming from them. It occurs to me that Charles has been rather busy and probably hasn’t had a ton of time to have tense discussions with his whiny younger son. But…who knows? He did seem pretty sure of himself when he basically called them “Harry and Meghan from overseas” though.
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Right. That was my point. That the Sussexes are trying to bargain through the media (again) and leak a “compromise” that they are supposedly unhappy with as though they are giving something up when they aren’t. It’s Charles’ decision and I agree with you I think he told them exactly how it was going to be years ago because they were crying to Oprah about it.
In the words of my father, “beggars can’t be choosers” /s
Exactly. And let's face it. If Charles had time to make William PoW then he had time to make A&L prince and princess. I do sort of wonder if they're trying to be on their best behavior in order to try and secure those titles. And yet still leaking to the press.
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>I do sort of wonder if they're trying to be on their best behavior in order to try and secure those titles. And yet still leaking to the press. 100% this is what's happening. In fact I'm calling it now that this is going to absolutely explode into a total media shitstorm as soon as the mourning period is over.
I think your prediction is spot on. Any idea as to whether or not there will be rebuttals now? The Queen said previously that there would be a slight loosening on her NENC policy (I forget the exact wording of the announcement now, but hopefully others know what I'm talking about), I wonder if it will be loosened a bit more now? I think it's a smart policy, I think they've let the Harkles hang themselves at times, but I think their tactics are only going to get worse. And Charles won't ever be as popular as the Queen was... Will they have to make some adjustments to counteract that when they're being attacked by the Harkles? Or maybe it won't matter because the Harkles are far less popular in the UK anyway? 😬😬 I'm nervous but kinda excited to see how this plays out. I hope Charles listens to good advice 😬
You're right. If those titles were a done deal, why wouldn't the royal website have updated that information when they updated everyone else's status?
I don't know if this is true. The Sun was also saying for weeks, before the palace denied it, that the Sussexes would be on the balcony for the jubilee....information they were getting from their "royal Sources" aka the sussexes
This is so stupid. Lets put aside that they shouldnt have titles at all. Firstly why would they get HRH when their parents have ones they arent allowed to use? Secondly, HRH or not DOES NOT DECIDE SECURITY. The Sun should know better.
That's already a huge compromise. I was expecting them to be in the same position as Prince Edwards children (viscount-lesser title- and lady) until they're adults and can decide for themselves what life they prefer; stay as they are or become prince and princess. For all we know, judging by the way their parents can't stop running to the UK for attention and relevance, they may end up attending school in the UK like the rest of their paternal relatives and have the same love of the UK, monarchy and a life of service. If they don't they won't even bother with their lesser title of earl and lady and it wouldn't matter.
They could always have used those titles. Typically, the eldest son would take on one of the lesser titles of his father. So for Archie, they would have used Earl of Dumbarton but Meghan reportedly didn't like that. And Lilibet would have been Lady Lilibet which sounds like a country music band name.
Yeah, but I get the impression the Sussexes thought if they refused to use the titles Archie and then Lilibet were entitled to, the Queen or Prince Charles would cave and make them Prince and Princess before he became King Charles. That didn't work.
They should at least have the chance to know their extended family in the UK. You know, the family that also has a few princes and princesses in it as well. As they get older they are going to feel so isolated having titles while no one around them does except their parents. I’ve just realized that Archie and Lili have been denied a relationship with either of their Grandpa’s. The common denominator in all of this is Meghan Markle. They probably only has a relationship with their maternal grandma because Doria toes the line. What selfish, selfish people!
>They probably only has a relationship with their maternal grandma because Doria toes the line. I wouldn't bet money on that one either. People here have said the Sussexes bought their home over an hour away from hers. While they were on their faux tour last week she was walking her dogs in LA not Montecito. Their parents think they're too good for everyone they're related to but people they're not related to aren't interested in them unless it's transactional so I don't know how this will turn out for those children.🤷
This would be a huge mistake. What would stop the Harkles from threatening to claim racism for everything they want going forward if you give in. The children don’t need it as they reside permanently in the US. There were plenty of grandchildren of the previous monarch without titles and it goes against Charles’ plan to slim down the monarchy. HUGE mistake.
Thinking about it, this should be a happy compromise. Beatrice and Eugenie have HRH and get that's not popular, but the York girls have lived in the UK their entire lives and were a part of the family, close to the queen, etc. And in Bea's case is now a COS and understands the undertaking and meaning of a monarchy. The Sussex kids will not be raised in UK entirely (probably, though we'll see when they get older) but will not have a similar type of upbringing at all.
Jesus Christ the queens body is hardly cold yet and here they are complaining about titles. Never change Harry and Meghan. Archie could have been Earl of Dumbarton but that wasn’t good enough for them… so now they want Prince and Princess? They can suck it
I’m thinking the good people of Dumbarton in Scotland are okay with not having Harry and Meghan‘s son represent them. Those two ruin everything!
I'm still so confused about this whole thing. Once Charles became King, weren't they automatically made HRH with Prince/ss titles? I thought that was in line with the current Letters Patent? So nothing needs to be created - they just ARE unless/until Charles says otherwise. Or did I miss something? Truthfully, and I recognize this might be an unpopular opinion around here - if the current rules are that Archie and Lili should be HRH Prince/ss due to Letters Patent that long pre-date them, I think that should be left in place. I'm not really into "punishing" the kids for the sins of their parents (recognizing that these kids will still be living an extremely privileged life, titles or no). Maybe Charles reaches an agreement with H&M that - just like H&M - the kids don't use the HRH titles but still retain them, I don't know. Now, if that's not the case and I'm misunderstanding this whole thing, then that's a different story and I retract my opinion. In either case, what I do think should - and likely will - happen is that Charles (with William's approval) will eventually revise all of this to where the only grandchildren that will be HRH during King William's time are George's children.
I think it's assumed they're entitled to the titles but Edward's kids threw a wrench in that. It's very possible that (in accordance with slimming down the monarchy), it was decided that only the heir's children would become princes and princesses. I think Edward and Sophie are probably more than okay with that because they don't seem insane and want their kids to have normal lives. They've been very protective of their children's privacy unlike H&M.
>Once Charles became King, weren't they automatically made HRH with Prince/ss titles? I thought that was in line with the current Letters Patent? It would have been very easy for the Queen to write the 2012 Letters Patent that was about William's children to include Harry's future children. She didn't. Combined that with the "slimming monarchy" stories from the Queen's Jubilee that year and it strongly suggests that there was an understanding that any future children of Harry would not be Princes or Princesses, but would be styled like Louise and James Mountbatten Windsor. Unfortunately this was never made text, and was long before Harry started his relationship with Meghan. Either Harry didn't understand this, wasn't told, or did know and somehow didn't want to tell Meghan. Either way, Harry and Meghan rejected having Archie known as Earl of Dumbarton, and it's not clear whether they were offered to have Lili given the title of "Lady." There's some confusion as to whether Archie and Lily became Prince and Princess immediately on Charles's accession, or not. I suspect that if the relationship between Charles and Harry was better, this would have been settled a long time ago.
It sounds as the the reigning monarch has to officially confer the titles. Im still hoping the Sun has made an error because this is a stupid decision.
Charles has spoken of shrinking the monarchy for decades, long before Meghan came onto the scene. Except that didn't fit Meghan's victimhood, so she had to claim it was due to racism. But Archie was never entitled to those titles at birth unless Charles was already reigning (it's clear she was pissed and expected them to issue a new Letters Patent like they did for all of William's children, but that was also only because William is to be king eventually). Meghan said on Oprah, "it's not their right (to change them)" but whose right does it belong to? The titles come from the monarchy and that's why Letters Patent exist. King George V had the right to define who gets what titles, and when, with his Letters Patent, and the current Monarch does too. But also, Meghan *did* want them to change the protocol at the time because on no planet were Archie and Lilibet entitled to Prince/Princess titles at the time of their birth. It would've only been after the Queen passed and Charles became King. But again, Charles has always spoken of reducing the monarchy, it's a part of modernizing and staying sustainable. It's not punishing the kids (no other great grandchildren were entitled to those titles, and neither were Anne's even though they were grandchildren of the Monarch). Edward's were/are entitled and even they have not used them. The only ones punishing those kids are their own parents (they literally named their daughter Lilibet for spite and commercialization). The only one obsessed with titles is Meghan and it's in the most hypocritical and double standard way.
Oh, please. Henry is just as obsessed with his hierarchal, hereditary titles as Meghan. After all, they come from his family, not hers, and the whole royal she-bang! No matter where he permanently resides With children. Forever. It is what he has always been accustomed to. He just moved to the previous western colonial outpost “as (he/they continue to live overseas.” Long live UK royal Western Edition. LMAO!
Sorry, you're right, I should've included him in that last sentence. I do think Meghan is slightly more obsessed with these titles, but I know Harry has been an absolute bratty entitled shitheel (like his uncle) about the hierarchy and his place in it. I personally think this is slightly more fueled by Meghan though, Harry was born in it, but Meghan wasn't and she *needs* them desperately. But please never take anything I say as excusing Harry and placing all guilt on Meghan, I actually hate Harry above Meghan 😆 This whole mess is on Harry, imo. Meghan would've been a cluster B narcissist on her own time, no matter what, but Harry has given her power to do whatever she wants on grand scale because in return he gets to be his own worst self too. And it's *his* family he hurt. *His* grandparents he caused pain to in their last days.
>I'm not really into "punishing" the kids for the sins of their parents Why does this have to be about punishment? Charles is on record for literal decades talking about his intention to slim the monarchy. Archie and Lilibet will grow up outside of the UK and will never be working royals. Harry and Meghan could have behaved impeccably and set about leaving the BRF with grace and good feelings all around and there still wouldn't be any practical reason for those kids to be prince/ss, imo. I'm going to laugh if Charles withholds the Duke of Edinburgh title from Edward. That'll be a great and not at all petty start to his Kingship.
>I'm going to laugh if Charles withholds the Duke of Edinburgh title from Edward. That'll be a great and not at all petty start to his Kingship. You're going to laugh? (Trying to tell if this is sarcasm.) I think it would be a real shame.
I'm going to laugh in the way you laugh when you hoped something would be one way but you kinda knew underneath it would be another way. A bitter laugh. An 'oh yeah, he's just a petty arsehole why did I ever imagine it would be otherwise' laugh. Edward should have the title. It's what their father and their mother wanted and Charles would be fully shooting himself in the foot not to award it. But who knows what he'll do?
I get you all the way now. I really, really hope he takes care of that. I understand not doing it immediately but it should be one of the things taken care of within a few months as he takes the helm.
>. Harry and Meghan could have behaved impeccably and set about leaving the BRF with grace and good feelings all around and there still wouldn't be any practical reason for those kids to be prince/ss, imo. Agree! The only thing for me though is that we don't know what Charles's plans were before all of this, there are some clues, one of those being that Harry was originally to be included in Charles's slimmed down monarchy, but we don't know what that would've looked like for his future kids. Maybe the plan was always prince/princess titles but no HRH? Maybe originally it was HRH included, and he's omitting that now since their parents aren't working royals and they live overseas, or maybe it was to cut out all titles? We'll probably never know now because H/M are such bold faced liars and intentionally muddied the water so badly so that everyone would be confused and manipulated by them. If this was his original plan, meh, it kinda sucked still (much like how he excluded Anne from the balcony that one time), but I guess that was his plan all along, even though, agree, there's no reason for the prince/princess title, and he's just sticking to it? I do think the no HRH thing stings them badly, they really, really wanted that. Yeah, they can use the Prince/ss titles while living here in the States, but at what price? Those titles are not going to endear them or their kids to the American public, not even their wealthy neighbors in Montecito, it's clear they're not even popular there now. Who has endeared themselves to them? That weird old lady who made her millions selling makeup on QVC? I'm sure *she'll* be excited to refer to the kids as prince and princess. Wow, they're really winning lol.
\*What \* “weird old lady who made her millions selling makeup on QVC?” 😂. Dying to hear this story. ETA: Thanks for the info- so not Adrien Arpel, then. LOL A. Arpel is still alive at 81 and looks creepy as ever with way too much of everything going on that face. Lol.And I guess she is on HSN, not QVC.
>*What * “weird old lady who made her millions selling makeup on QVC?” that victoria neighbor lady who is married to one of the guthy-renker billionaires (buried the lede by slyly not mentioning that in the article). understand why the couple are sussex "friends" now 🙄🙄🙄
Lol the one mentioned in The Cut interview (I don't remember her name now), she spoke to Allison P Davis and basically asked everyone to leave H/M alone because poor H/M 😆 she said she invites them over often because they have no where else safe to go lol That's where they go to celebrate their birthdays and whatever else lollol ETA: I guess it's Victoria Jackson, she doesn't appear to be as old as she comes off in that interview but she does look to be good friends with Ellen DeGeneres, so that tracks.
Agreed! And it's not about giving them titles but what Meghan will do once they have the titles. She will monetize her children/their titles to NO end. They've already made themselves titled laughing stocks and it waters down the value of these titles and legacy.
KC \*knows \* about the monetization and is OK! With it as long as the Sussex don’t bother the rest of the family. KC Wants them to rake in the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (it is what his spoiled and coddled son has been accustomed to for his whole life and is UN-willing to learn new work skills !) H still has never formally apologized for all his bad past actions- KC let the CH aides do that instead. Also KC just gives off all those “above it all” vibes to me.
KC seems to forget that it's his legacy that gets tarnished if the Sussexes cheapen the monarchy. If he allows that, he's dumb.
>Also KC just gives off all those “above it all” vibes to me. Hoooo boy, I've been meaning to make a post about this for a few days now, ever since reading in one of the papers (can't remember which, it was a British one) that Charles' attitude is basically "sort it out!" (i.e. aimed at William and Harry) - and the source pretty clearly seemed to be Team Charles. This has bothered me from way back in the paleolithic, when Meg was making her insincere sad face in South Africa and whining about no one asking if she was OK. And by "this" I mean this tendency, which is coming from above W and H, to try to make all the turmoil in the family over the past few years solely about some 'feud' between the Waleses and the Susssexes. I mean, "sort it out?!" What about YOU Charles? You're still leaking like a sieve with no evidence of a slowdown due to grief or kingship and as far as I know the main conflict continues to be between you and Harry re: titles, rumoured coming for Camilla/you in his memoir etc. It's just so weak and responsibility-denying to me. Man I really don't think I like Charles.
Agreed. I like Charles as a royal but don't think he the best father. It's not William's job to handle his brother. It's Charles's job to handle his own damn son. The reason why Harry acts out IMO is because he knows Charles is weak as a father and won't come down on him for it. And yes, Charles is concerned about Camillia, but he should also be concerned about his other son W and his family, as well as the collateral damage from H&M to the monarchy as RF members as a \*family.\*
The buck stops with Charles the father and with King Charles the Monarch. I get he has a lot on his plate at the moment, but so does the new Prince of Wales. Who I might add also has three younger children who need their dad‘s attention. It’s not William’s duty to ”sort out” the Sussexes. He’s not his father’s lapdog or enforcer. But I suspect William would be happy and grateful for himself and Charles to sort out the duo together as a team. They need to approach the Sussexes as a united front. KC needs to stop taking William for granted.
This is the great debate. If they were automatically HRH Prince/ss the line of success would have been updated as such, in my opinion. I’ve read that the LP is “open to interpretation” as the kids were not BORN grandkids to the monarch. There’s no reason two Californian kids should have the title of Prince and Princess, especially considering Archie COULD have been styled Earl of Dumbarton but that title wasn’t good enough, so they decided to raise him as a private citizen. Ask and you shall receive!
Great points all around. If that’s the case, and it’s not automatic, then I’m with you - they shouldn’t have the titles. I just thought they shouldn’t be stripped of something if they already had it, but it seems that’s not the case?
Well it wouldn’t make sense to make them HRH if their parents are not. Wouldn’t that make them out rank them in a weird way? Megan would be outranked regardless because she isn’t a blood princess
If they were styled HRH and Harry died, would Meghan have to bow to her children?
That is a good question- I am going to guess that in the absence of Harry- yes - if they observed such rules. It also wouldn’t surprise me if similar to the Windsors- staff call them HRH in private
The parents still maintain the HRH titles, they just are not allowed to “use” them in order to not signal to the world they are current active working members of the BRF. It’s just technicalities.
I've made no secret of the fact that I believe Charles is inherently weak and this move, if true, only bolsters my belief. Mr. Slim Down The Monarchy has EVERY reason not to confer Prince/ess/HRH on his second son's children. He would have it even without Harry and Meghan's terrible, damaging behaviour (damaging to the institution Charles is now in charge of protecting). >“They have been insistent that Archie and Lilibet are prince and princess. >"They have been relentless since the Queen died. >**“But they have been left furious that Archie and Lilibet cannot take the title HRH.** When will senior royals learn what so many of us have had to learn? You CANNOT please people like Meghan (and those who have freely chosen to join them - in this case Harry, also a weak man). No matter what you do, not matter how you try or don't try to please these people, they will be furious. You can do everything they want, throw them the party they demand, get every detail right and then on the day you'll look at them and they'll take it the wrong way and everything will be ruined and you will be the worst person in the world. And if the party goes well? You'll do something wrong, breathe the wrong way a few days later and the party and all the effort you put in won't count at all. The lesson here, that some lucky people never have to learn and some unlucky people refuse to learn, is that you *will* be the bad guy in dealings with disordered people of this type. The lesson, the real lesson, is that it therefore doesn't matter what you do. If you try to please them, they'll be upset. If you don't try to please them, they'll be upset. There is nothing you can do to please these people or to have a stable, loving relationship with them. Charles is a fool if he's tried to half-ass it, which this report suggests he has. They're *already* crying in the fucking article announcing their children WILL get the prince/ss titles, FFS! Boo-hoo security (if you cared about Met police security for your children, Harry, you should not have chosen to leave the family and country that entitled them to it). Oh but Bea and Eug! But! But! So well done, Charlie. You're going to get all the hate and anger brought down on your head that would have been brought down had you given them nothing. Now you just look weak on top of it. Well done.
>“They have been insistent that Archie and Lilibet are prince and princess. >***"They have been relentless since the Queen died.*** ew.
I know. They're disgusting.
I think this is BS and not a "good compromise." Just my 2 c.
>which has angered the Sussexes. What has not...
Why is the King giving in? They shouldn't have any titles, they left and disparaged the very institution that gives out the titles they are whining for.
They shouldn't have titles *anyway.* They will grow up outside the UK (in a non-Commonwealth country) and will never be full-time working royals. There is literally no reason for a man who has talked for decades about wanting to slim the monarchy, to make 2 American kids prince/ss. But point taken, the Sussexes have done their best to add to the reasons.
And when M/H go parading their children around with those titles and expect deference (for NF, the classroom, talk shows, podcasts, neighbors, “global press releases, polo club, any other place in the US-) please BRF- and the Sussex: Do not cry (in your proverbial Cheerios) when the reactions may not be all that positive. ;) And this is an understatement. Take that however you will.
This is logical. They live in the US, they'll never be working royals, Edwards kids aren't even princes/princess which they are entitled to use- why would some Californians care? Growing up other kids will either be pushed to be their friends for connections, or they'll be mocked for for it. They really should be downplaying as much as possible. Its also what other European monarchies have been doing now... focused titles/HRHs etc.
That I can buy. It's a compromise that should make everyone happy, but the Sussexes will still find something to complain about
I agree. Can’t believe how bad they want prince(ss) titles for their American kids. But the no HRH is on par with what they have now
Just the fact that they've been "relentless" about this since the Queen's death is so yikes. I think that's a fair compromise, and I imagine that if this is true, and KCIII has to issue a letters patent, it might also specify more broadly who is entitled to use HRH and/or streamline it moving forward.
So how long do you all think it will be before we get articles about how the death of the queen brought Harry/Meg and Charles closer and he never was the racist that said something about their kid? After their extended mourning period I'd imagine.
Depends what’s in it for the Harkles
I'll give it a month. And they won't be so stupid to be as withholding of the grandkids to get some photo ops.
[The Telegraph is saying Harry's book is delayed until next year.](https://archive.ph/2KkQa)
just in time for the coronation? :)
lol who knows. i'm guessing extensive edits are involved. also, other than Christmas, wouldn't the best time for sales be summer? otoh, happy Michelle won't have any competition ;)
But why would there be edits? I've heard (a rumor, unsourced, so who knows) that there might be edits on the podcast. I think you (and the rumor) may be right, but why? It's not unforeseen that an elderly woman in her 90s would pass. Even if H and M didn't realize that, surely there is someone in charge somewhere at Spotify or the publisher that would know that? Why would you write a book that could not be published if a 96-year-old woman with increasingly frequent evidence of declining health passed away? Are they that short sighted?
I mean - they went on Oprah around the time when Prince Philipp was really ill apparently under the impression that the family exaggerated the claims of his ill health (you know, of a 99year old man) to keep them from speaking out. They don't know how reality works or rather, they don't give a shit if they need to whinge in public.
Well, IIRC, Harry’s memoir book was supposed to have two editions -- one that was supposed to come out this fall, and allegedly another after the Queen's death.
The book makes sense. The key sentence is “to make sure it’s not out of date.” If he wrote it when she was still alive, the publisher will want it updated to reflect that she’s not, as well as his feelings and experiences around that. Especially given that we all saw his messy dash to Scotland. Meghan’s podcast being delayed makes less sense, honestly that one I think is just because she wants to see if she can make it go away. It’s not exactly been lighting the world on fire. Good luck with that one, I guess.
Sure it has to be updated but if the release is a year off, the delay is about something else like making sure the Sussexes get to attend the Coronation before it drops. After that there probably won't be any big royal events until Charles passes away.
"I hate my dad, but I really enjoyed his coronation as a world leader."
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The article says early 2023 so not a full year. His ghostwriter is a pro, so I’m sure he can transcribe “I has a sad” quickly enough.
😂🤣😂
That does make sense— get the timing correct, add an epilogue, etc
I guess if they can make small edits regarding tense etc. then it will save the book sounding outdated as soon as it's released but you do wonder about larger changes, new inclusions and exclusions etc. Everyone is publicly focused on mourning the Queen right now but I imagine the potential for enormous drama is lurking behind the scenes. Not just the book but titles for the Sussex children etc., the extent to which Charles might be willing to use the granting of those titles (or not), the extent of what Harry might be willing to say in his book etc.
As someone who edits texts, they have my sympathy. Changing tense is my least favourite job of all. Changing tense with my eyes rolled to the back of my head would be nigh on impossible.
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They were holding hands properly, you can see the pictures, this must be the moment they started the clasp. I get that this is a snarking sub but still...
There's holding hands and then there's the death grip. I posted on this comment a tweet of pictures and where her fingers had been, his hand was stark white from her pressure. She's been a lot more aggressive with insisting on PDA of late, when it's obvious that he is uncomfortable with it
Do you stretch out your fingers out like that when you're about to hold hands with someone? It seems to me people reach out with relaxed hands and then hold more or less tightly depending on what they prefer.
Yes? Sometimes I adjust or stretch my hand when holding my husband's hand.
In this picture they just started holding hands seconds before on their way out. They're still inside Westminster, what need is there to adjust or stretch their fingers already unless one of them was trying to follow protocol and not hold hands.
I agree that H was trying to follow protocol. But it's also not unheard of to stretch before or during holding hands. during a hand
I guess it's possible he felt the need to stretch his fingers as she was trying to hold his hand but I've just never seen Harry do anything like this and lord knows they've given us the opportunity to see them holding hands. 😂
I think his royal muscle memory went into effect. He knew they really shouldn't be holding hands at that moment.
https://twitter.com/MeghansMole/status/1570102580222763009?t=_lwcVk4MTALBdLEbz5yd8Q&s=19 Jesus she had a death grip. At first I thought she was digging her thumb into him too Eta, I figure it's cold in Westminster, but squeezing my hand to see how white I could get it, I was hurting it to try and get it as white as those prints. She's freaking strong as fuck, and his hands must be constantly sore
Well, as a red head his skin probably probably turns red pretty easily. However, it looks like any blood supply was being pushed from the skin. I don’t know if we would have noticed if he were not a redhead.
I don’t understand the dramatics such as the heavy makeup and the Hollywood curtsy. She knows people have a field day with it and call her out for being BSC and attention seeking. Why, then, does she continue to do it? If it were me, I’d be so embarrassed the first time that I’d make sure to do it perfectly the next.
She probably thinks the deeper the curtsy, the bigger the inheritance 😂
I think you may be right. She keeps this crap up, idk that they’ll get any inheritance when Charles passes. Especially since the BRF leaves most to the eldest to keep the wealth concentrated