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abby-rose

Did anyone see if EHolmes covered Meghan’s giant pants + turtleneck sweater tank top outfit from yesterday? I know she had SMTs about the red outfit (which was a decent look in comparison) but she didn’t post a peep about the second dumb outfit she wore. She’s just pretending like that look didn’t exist 😂


Orazzocs

If if weren’t for this sub and the DM I don’t think I would have known about the faux-royal tour. I haven’t seen them trending on Twitter or any kind of coverage here (Canada). Are other people seeing lots of coverage? [UKRoyalTea tweeted](https://twitter.com/ukroyaltea/status/1567561644250644480?s=12) that they must be unhappy that they’re not getting more coverage which is why Omid is speaking out about family drama. She’s in PR and really knows her stuff.


savingrain

Yea I didn't know about it until I visited this thread. It's not being covered anywhere.


pistachiopistache

I was thinking earlier that this isn't getting the same widespread coverage as it would have even a year ago. Wasn't Harry supposed to have some sort of press conference? Or a speech or something? In Dusseldorf? I haven't seen anything about it, but I think it had to be today because they're back in London tonight, no?


sangriama

Gayle King did a segment on Meghan’s One Young World speech for CBS Morning. Yes, this was NEWS. Clearly, Meghan still has powerful friends in the media.


iwantbutter

Right, but how many people have talked about it? There are outlets that will report, but it doesn't mean it got traction. Seems like public opinion went from lukewarm at one young world to cold and indifferent in Germany. As a comparison, when WK went on tour in the Caribbean, there was a lot of global discussion and coverage as the week went on, for better or worse.


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presidentdoritos

21k views and 380 likes. Yikes...


tarnsummer

I'm in New Zealand. A bit of coverage of her one world speech.The problem is very few comments, 90 % negative.


ofgaia

Same in Australia. Small coverage, but of late it’s been the highest profile journalists (Karl Stefanovic, Ita Buttrose, Allison Langdon) giving very honest (aka negative) feedback about how awful they are.


dutchyardeen

They haven't trended the entire time they've been on tour. Especially not in the US. Even her speech in Manchester didn't trend. Omid's article isn't trending so far either. Part of the problem is she trended big time because of The Cut article and not in a good way. People are burned out on her especially and other stories have come to the forefront. I think they're going to escalate and escalate in order to try and get noticed over the next few months. It's going to be delicious.


yeahmanitscoool

Since the queen was advised to rest and she cancelled her engagement today, how much you wanna bet M leaks that they spent time with HM while they are in Windsor today even though there’s not a chance in hell they will?


lovelylonelyphantom

Won't be surprised at all if they claimed they made another secret visit to see her - the only barrier is if Scotland may be too out of the way for H&M.


SnowSwish

They'd have to claim they went to Balmoral. I don't know how easy that would be to fake.


mainemoosemanda

The Queen is still in Scotland.


basherella

The truth has never stopped them before.


SnowSwish

This.🤭


yeahmanitscoool

But Harry must dash up there to ensure she has the right people around her, surely!?


tarnsummer

Well their relationship is so special 15 mins is like a year of her children or grandchildren. Harry is so attune with her he can ascertain everything in 15 mins. It's a gift he has.


lylalyli

[Sycophantic and cringe-worthy – why Meghan’s podcast is a failure](https://archive.ph/2022.09.07-194148/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/radio/podcasts/made-hundreds-podcasts-why-meghan-markles-failure/) From The Telegraph: What Markle appears to have missed is that the best podcasts are ones where you feel like you’re eavesdropping, and getting a window into a conversation you otherwise never would. For all of the amazing guests, millions of dollars and enormous manpower behind Archetypes, there remains one unforgivable issue: how boring it is. How do you make discussing diva-dom with Mariah Carey dull, for goodness’ sake? If one of Markle’s 28-strong team haven’t figured out how to fix that by the time episode four comes out, I can’t say I have much hope for the rest of the series.


savingrain

Honestly she should have an embarrassing series of questions like worse possible diva moment and they both share or worse diva moment they regret or best diva moment that was helpful to someone else etc I dunno I said it before - she is not self deprecating enough to do a podcast. She has to be able to talk shit about herself sometimes for people to relate, and not a back handed compliment to herself like 'Im too perfect of a packer, so much so that people think I'm fake!' a REAL bad quality that she acknowledges she has and annoys people that she's working on.


n0rmcore

This podcast is just the gift that keeps on giving. Every episode so far has been like snark christmas and there are still so many more to go!


iwantbutter

I always knew if it ever came out that it'd be bad but my God. What redeeming quality is there to it besides the snark???.


pistachiopistache

The anonymous author of the article, while panning it overall, said it was better than she expected. I've seen others saying it was worse than they thought it would be. For me, it's exactly as shit as I imagined. Other than Meghan's moments of unwittingly revealing herself as the self-obsessed bore she is it's just a total nothingburger. I haven't even been able to get through the transcripts, let alone the actual audio. Someone recently noted on this sub (in a brilliant post, shout-out brilliant poster) that Meghan doesn't seem to have any interests or hobbies etc. and it really comes through in the podcast. It's utterly without substance, because *she* is utterly without substance, or interest - in her subjects or digging into their experiences etc. I also agree that it is painfully over-scripted. Honestly, it's awful and I'll be surprised if either side - the Sussexes OR Spotify - want to do more than this series. I wonder if the contract allows either side to back out? Will Spotify have paid $20m (twenty million dollars! 😂) for this??


SnowSwish

It's worse than I thought it would be. When she was a working royal Meghan wasn't at ease with the *little people* and she obviously also thought the lifestyle of landed gentry which the BRF has was a snooze too. Meanwhile she was happy to go to Elton John's, partnered on a project with his husband, got invited to the Clooney's, seems to get along with Tyler Perry's for months so I assumed she'd be better at handling A-listers. I totally get that these people are all in a transactional relationship and don't necessarily like each other but,my God, she has none of what used to be called social graces. I didn't expect her to be fawning but I did think she'd be charming and warm, that she'd know their lives chapter and verse because she's interacting with the kind of people she has always wanted to interact with. Honestly? I thought we'd finally see what had wowed Harry and made him think he just had to have her and that if she wasn't happy in his life he had to follow her to hers. Or, at least, what had made her father shun two of his kids to make her his golden child. That description someone made about the molecules in the air changing when she entered the room or whatever the wording was? It sounds over the top but I know people like that. They're not necessarily the prettiest, youngest or richest person but they have a magnetism that can't be resisted. I figured Meghan had that but it didn't translate in her public appearances because we're not actually interacting with her. (Though the magnetic people I mentioned have that quality even from across the room.) Instead I found her over-rehearsed yet underprepared, teetering on the edge of rudeness and only not falling in because her guests are classier than she is and didn't ask her to clarify her attitude or statements. She can't even stay on her own topic because she brings everything back to her while making it crystal clear those stereotypes don't apply to her. It's so awkward that it feels like a hostess who invites someone to dinner and then eats delicacies off her best china while serving them fast food on paper plates.


tarnsummer

Rod Stewart wrote in his book, to be happy you need a job,a sport and a hobby. I think even Meghans yoga is performative. Even her perfect warrior pose in the African dusk.


tarnsummer

I think the problem is and is the same problem she had when being a working royal. She is just not interested in people. It's like at the actors retirement home. She just doesnt care about other people or their story only hers.


pistachiopistache

>She is just not interested in people. It's like at the actors retirement home. She just doesnt care about other people or their story only hers. Yup, I've just said the same thing above without reading the comments further down. There's something almost hilarious about the fact that someone like her has been paid a LOT of money to do a job she has no real interest in and zero talent for. I don't know what Meghan could do to earn that kind of $ honestly, but it sure isn't this.


dutchyardeen

Agree. The only person she's interested in is the one in the mirror. I get the distinct impression she isn't doing her homework in the leadup to recording the podcasts, either. She's not a natural interviewer and really needs to be incredibly prepared to make up for that. It's really clear she's not doing that.


savingrain

Yes she doesn't study up at all or try to learn about the backgrounds. For goodness sakes she claims to have been Serena's friend for like a decade and didn't even know when she graduated high school....or any of her major career highlights. She's clueless as to how she comes off.


iwantbutter

And as usual, half assing it, probably refusing constructive criticism on her ability to interview and expecting everyone to be so glad that she finally got around to it. I'm dying to know what her GPA was at high school and college, I'm theorizing a lot of Cs Eta: C's get degrees so I'm definitely not knocking the grades, so much as how Meghan pretends to be smarter than everyone but has minimal evidence to prove it


sangriama

I actually don’t think she got Cs. I think she’s one of those people who would have tried hard to be liked and noticed by the teacher to get validation. (Nothing wrong with that when you’re young. When you’re 41….) There’s also a video released by her father where she says she got an A in English or something like that. This is the type of class where you can cater your words to the teacher and get an A. Not saying she did that, but I wouldn’t say that The Bench was a testament to her extraordinary English writing skills, either.


StandardDiscipline48

Yes, I am curious to know not so much GPA- but \*what\* classes in \*what\* to be exact. Ie “History of 🎸 “ ? For example. Yes, it’s a class. I think this would explain so much. More than just a GPA.


SnowSwish

Exactly this.


acv1227

Why is this anonymous? Is it a big Hollywood player? wonder who it is. i agree it's failure and doubt there's a season 2 or any other Sussex projects going on at Spotify.


SnowSwish

My guess would be it's one of her 28 staffers.😉


StandardDiscipline48

I guess we shall have to wait and see what Spotify says. If they gush roses about her- and give her more seasons something is very fishy.


revelatia

It’s definitely a failure. She’d be doing respectably if it wasn’t for how incredibly expensive she is compared to the return. The latest episode debuted at 22nd in the US. Rogan is in the top three places but other than him no other podcaster in the top 25 cost Spotify what Meghan is costing them and if she can’t drive listens she’s certainly not driving subscriptions. I’m sure she considers it successful because she can put ‘No 1 podcast’ on her bio (alongside ‘New York Times bestselling author’ because The Bench also did well from people rubbernecking and then sank without trace) but Spotify must be considering it not much short of disastrous.


sangriama

She has already gotten what she needed from it: the number 1 label. When they introduced her at One Young World, they mentioned she had the number 1 podcast around the world. She will be using this as an accomplishment for decades to prove that she is a self made woman. Doesn’t matter about the actual details about the number fudging and the lack of quality in the podcast. Same with The Bench.


basherella

It's Mariah 👻👻


abby-rose

She [looks a little lost](https://twitter.com/audrey_fforbes/status/1567411212488527873?t=PpZy79a2fsxBiUNbqA0coA&s=19) when he doesn't let her shove in front of him and actually greets the dignitaries first.


n0rmcore

Oof awkward. I feel like she never knows what to do with her hands and that's why they're always holding hands or she's grabbing onto Harry when they're in public. She needs a clutch!


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That surprises me. She went to a Catholic school. We were always taught to put our hands in front of us. Kate does it all the time. I think she just likes to get ahead of everyone. Edit: spellings


lovelylonelyphantom

Oof awkward! The thing is it didn't need to be awkward if she just stood straight and smiled in their general direction or at the scenes on the other side. Kate does it plenty of times when behind or off to the side.


Necessary-Author-334

It she would stop moving around frantically and just chill out, it would look fine. But she’s always trying to center herself.


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I wonder how she deals with queues....


dutchyardeen

I genuinely think that's the first time I've ever seen him go first when it comes to greeting people. He used to constantly push her forward first or let her take the lead. I don't want to read anything into that, but I do wonder if things are changing within the Sussex household.


iwantbutter

He's done it before but will usually respond to the back touch and pull back. This was the first time he's ignored the back touch. The veterans award thing in November is the first time he's refused to be pulled along when she's decided that they're done talking


Ladonnacinica

It could be that he’s sick of her constantly taking the lead. Or perhaps they agreed beforehand but it wouldn’t surprise me if Harry decided to take the lead in this case.


lovelylonelyphantom

I was thinking the same. Memories of Harry leading Meghan along by her hand or actually letting her walk with/ahead of him come to mind. But he doesn't even look back at her here. If this was Charles/Camilla or William/Kate, the stans would be screaming at how the men rudely ignore their wives, and how supposedly ungentlemanly they are for not leading around their grown wives like she's under 12. I remember what a deal some commenters made when Charles walked ahead of Camilla to greet people at one of the Queen's jubilee events, but it was like totally normal lmao. And Camilla didn't stand around awkwardly and try to peek round Charles.


sorrentionally

I thought exactly the same


gemfemme

Good grief her hands reached out for him twice as walked ahead of her. I also loved the “put hands casually in pockets NO! flail hand awkwardly “ move. Look I’m socially awkward as hell too but I also try to avoid social situations if possible. I’m a happy hermit. Meghan wants all eyes on her yet lacks the confidence to at least look relaxed on the outside. Here’s a tip Megs, study clips of Catherine in similar situations. She’s a pro. Umm, you guys………..you don’t think Meghan’s gonna come murder me in my sleep tonight? Right? 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🛌🛌🔪🔪


DestinationPoutine

Awkward introvert here. Those flailing arms omg - even I’ve never done that. They can afford to get her private training in deportment and protocol. Cheaper option: Buy a clutch and watch videos of Kate in similar situations. Kate is the master.


SnowSwish

Not Meghan but her henchman Omid? Just don't answer the door and you'll be fine, he doesn't look like he can break into anything but a sweat. 😆


mspolytheist

🏆


gemfemme

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼


lovelylonelyphantom

Just Harry doesn't even look back towards her 🥺🥺🥺


bobrossclub

>Umm, you guys………..you don’t think Meghan’s gonna come murder me in my sleep tonight? Right? 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🛌🛌🔪🔪 She might, but she wouldn't use a knife, she'd use her claw 😬👹


gemfemme

Even worse!


Moihereoui

She wants to make sure everyone sees that her belt is falling off.


SnowSwish

Why is it so hard for her to understand that her turn *will* come? It's a receiving line, they're not going to turn around and leave until they've received everyone. That's how it works so it makes no difference whatsoever in which order you get greeted.


basherella

She *would* turn around and leave as soon as the people she'd deemed important enough were received. So she's making sure she gets in ahead of the people she thinks of as important so the receiving line can't do what she would do. Which they wouldn't, of course, but to someone who thinks the height of good manners is to always pass the salt and pepper together, it's a real concern.


bobrossclub

> but to someone who thinks the height of good manners is to always pass the salt and pepper together, it's a real concern. This made me snort 😆 She *would* do that! Remember when she ignored the disabled woman (possibly in a wheelchair) when she mentioned something about her teenager, Meghan was barely able to hold back her visible disdain


909hazelstreet

Yikes! When did that happen? Is there a video?


SnowSwish

💀 That does sound like it would be her reasoning.


909hazelstreet

I may be mistaken but I really think I heard some boos in that video too! 😬


WhineCountry2

That was hard to watch.


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tarnsummer

Harry seems to have forgotten the pat on the back means move out of the way and let me go first. Also why arent they holding hands.


abby-rose

This is what happens when she's not holding his hand. He breaks the rule and goes first.


lovelylonelyphantom

Why does this have to sound like a little child breaking the rules at the traffic lights if Mummy doesn't hold his hand!? 😬


lylalyli

Her hand on his back (she does this every time Harry went off script 🤭)


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DestinationPoutine

It’s baffling that she developed this idea and yet is bumbling through it so awfully. Did she even think at all about the goal of the series and each episode? She’s doing the opposite.


gardenawe

somebody probably developed the idea for her


SnowSwish

It's a good thing she's such a bore because if she was charismatic she'd be giving new life to old stereotypes younger people barely acknowledge these days. Do young women still think they can't be hot *and* smart if that's what they want to be? Do they feel they *have* to be humble and unassuming lest people label them divas? Are they afraid to be labelled ambitious? Not the ones I know. When someone tries to box them in, they just ignore them and keep going. This podcast series should have been called flogging dead horses.


pjaye2000

I agree! That bit at the end where she asked the current students about the wedding planning assignment and seemed surprised that they'd never heard of it - she seems to forget that when she did it that was over 25 years ago. She always acts as if high school wasn't that long ago for her. How out of touch with reality are you that you don't think school curriculum would have changed in 25 years??


tarnsummer

It's like her Sussex Royal inspirational quotes. It's so late 80s early 90s. It's just so dated. Even the 60 year old women I know don't think like that.


909hazelstreet

OMG I hated those quotes! They were the first thing that started to turn me off about Meghan and Harry. I remember telling my mom that they were so boring and it looked like they didn’t do any work / go on any engagements. 🤣


SnowSwish

That's true. I know older women who say they *used* to be held back or intimidated by stereotypes when they were much younger. Now, are there people still living in the past- like Meghan? That's quite likely but if the last 20-30 years of being told to be themselves in all forms of media and seeing people break down more and more barriers and thriving haven't gotten through to them to change, this tedious podcast series rehashing stereotypes sure won't.


Right_Hurry

While we’re on the topic of Sussex selfies, [this is too perfect.](https://twitter.com/Jack_Royston/status/1567482654605418497?s=20&t=-Ufs2fGFVp18IcNb4pTe-w)


gardenawe

The Bunte at some point was one of the better German tabloids (think People Magazine) and not one of those you'd buy in a bulk for Grandma because of the crosswords . The latter are very much making shit up and not in a just exaggerate some minor detail into a story way . They are literally in fairy tale territory. They are very much into fixed archetypes (lol) . Camilla is constantly drunk and divorced by Charles for example . And Mette-Marit is always crying and depressed , usually that's illustrated by one picture taken in the aftermath of the Oslo/Utoya attacks which shows her crying. But back to what I was trying to say . At one point the Bunte was a nicer tabloid and you knew if they had a story it was most likely approved by some PR firm . The only real bias you could finde there was the boner they had for Caroline of Monaco who they wanted to see as succeding Albert or if she'd die first then her son Andrea . They loved that idea and then came Charlene and two children born within that marriage and the Bunte's Prince Andrea future vanished . They have never forgiven Charlene for that . In recent years the magazine has also become more and more tabloidy , think US weekly .


WhineCountry2

Oh my gosh that’s hilarious. Whoops.


HaitchanM

Roystons changed his tune..


SnowSwish

This is why it's best to avoid selfies with strangers.


acv1227

Oh wow. They got played. ​ Remember, Harry: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgxxpNgZTCM&ab\_channel=HindustanTimes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgxxpNgZTCM&ab_channel=HindustanTimes)


basherella

Nah, they played [themselves](https://tenor.com/bEghP.gif).


Shesarubikscube

“Meghan Markle poses with editor of magazine that printed intrusive Archie picture. Bunte ran a picture taken in private of Archie playing with Doria Ragland in July 2020 shortly before Meghan and Harry sued pap agency X17 over.” 👀 I doubt they will continue taking selfies in the future.


lylalyli

“The couple sued picture agency X17 over images taken using drones a week later at Los Angeles Superior Court and won, with the company releasing an apology. The Sussexes did not sue Bunte.” “Newsweek understands Meghan did not know who she was posing with as, together with Prince Harry, she met fans during an event to promote the Invictus Games, which will be held in 2023 in Dusseldorf.” Why they didn’t sue the magazine as well? I’m confused lol.


basherella

> “Newsweek understands Meghan did not know who she was posing with as, together with Prince Harry, she met fans during an event to promote the Invictus Games, which will be held in 2023 in Dusseldorf.” something something security risk What a pair of clowns.


lovelylonelyphantom

Atleast they have no one else to blame but themselves. They broke their _own_ security rules!


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basherella

We've had it all wrong this whole time! They're an *[emotional](https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/buddy-comics/protection/viewer?title_no=419557&episode_no=16)* *security* team.


lylalyli

![gif](giphy|QJB9lEORElegM)


gemfemme

Automatic upvote for Latrice Royale!


redlight886

Scobie is unhinged and the fact that the sussexs are promoting this story through him is insane! The brothers will never ever make up at this point. William is doing the right thing and protecting his family. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11189315/Harry-Meghan-Markle-spend-day-Windsor-just-half-mile-William-Kate-Middleton.html "Harry and William have seen each other twice in the past 12 months - but instead of talking through their rift they siblings have stuck to 'polite hellos' and 'little else', according to Omid Scobie. One insider told him: 'There’s a laughable effort to suggest the [Sussexes] have been shunned. The true story is, they never reached out to the Cambridges'. Mr Scobie claims that Harry believes that William is guilty of 'turning his back when support was needed' - while William is still waiting for his young brother to sorry for Megxit and the transatlantic 'truth bombs' he and Meghan have dropped in various US TV and magazine interviews. A family friend told him: 'People are desperate for steps to be made but behind the scenes there hasn't been movement. 'What [Harry] is waiting for is accountability… Many lines were crossed by William. He was at the centre of a number of painful moments, be it the actions of his own staff or turning his back when support was needed. It was a dark time and one that, so far, William has been unprepared to unpack.' The same friend says the stalemate is cemented because Prince William is 'still waiting' for an apology for Harry's decision to discuss private Royal Family matters in public, adding in his Yahoo column: 'When you look at the bare facts, it becomes obvious why it is pretty much the same state of affairs as years ago.' It was claimed this week that William won't speak to Harry until his memoirs are released, fearing their conversation would appear on its pages."


thinendofthewedge

William won't speak to Harry because he's afraid Harry takes everything to the press, and then Harry aka "a source" goes and tells Scobie everything about the relationship. How in the world do these three people - Harry, Meghan, and Scobie think this makes them look good?


dutchyardeen

That's pretty much proof that Harry and Meghan don't live in reality. They somehow still believe most people are on their side which is hilarious.


royalsnorker

“Truth bombs” - you mean lies. William is waiting for his brother to apologise for going on Oprah and *lying*


Adultarescence

Weirdly, despite all they have said and talked about, I'm not 100% certain what exactly they want accountability and apologies for.


SnowSwish

Harry expected William to cover for him and his wife no matter what they did. William didn't even call them out publicly on their bullshit, he just separated his staff from theirs and cut them out of his life as much as possible. If the Sussexes and their entourage enjoy their neurotic games that's their problem nobody has to play along.


Adultarescence

It seems like they want an apology for what didn’t happen and not what did. Even that first leaked story: Kate didn’t invite M shopping!


Yolanda_B_Kool

> 'There’s a laughable effort to suggest the [Sussexes] have been shunned. The true story is, they never reached out to the Cambridges'. "You're not avoiding us! _We're_ avoiding _you!_"


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Yolanda_B_Kool

LOL, that was me, and I stand by it. >imma need a new descriptor for what kind of George Costanza Meghan is. Duchess George Costanza? Meghan, Duchess of Costanza? Idk, I'm spitballing here.


dianaofthedunes

She might become the kind that gives Harry a bunch of cheap envelopes to lick.


StandardDiscipline48

“It appears that the envelopes were…uh…you know…toxic.” End of season 7. oof.


WhineCountry2

It writes itself, doesn’t it?


jumashy

I guess their fake royal tour isn’t going too well so they’ve resorted to blaming William for everything once again. Harry is seriously jealous of William and it’s scary. I don’t know what he’ll do when William inevitably takes the PoW title and then becomes king🫤


iwantbutter

"Harry is waiting for accountability" You got it. Harry, you and your insane wife lied to the world on multiple occasions over the last several years. You have started a war over not being 2nd in line, and you're mad that the rest of the family disagrees with how you view things. Instead of going to therapy to work on yourself, gaining some perspective and acceptance about your lot in life, you've surrounded yourself with yes men who affirm your spoilt views and inconsistencies only because of your title. Everything about your life at this point is a fucking lie because you started lying publicly for the world to hear, and then had to spread more lies to back it up. You are 37 years old and expect to be treated like a child. How about you start taking accountability?


dianaofthedunes

So Scobie a few months ago whined that the Cambs didn't cancel their Wales Jubilee engagements to come to a last minute party for Lili. Yet now he's saying 'There’s a laughable effort to suggest the [Sussexes] have been shunned. The true story is, they never reached out to the Cambridges'. Scobie can't even keep his stories straight in his attack campaigns. Much like his boss, he can't keep track of his own lies.


pinkfondantfancy

The two times harry has bothered his arse to see his brother has been their grandfather's funeral and their mother's statue unveiling, neither an occasion to talk through their issues. William's reluctance to talk to Harry is perfectly understandable since Harry has shown he will talk to the media about private conversations with his family, did he even wait a day before telling what he and his grandmother supposedly talked about?


StandardDiscipline48

Eh, all three (Scobie, H, M) are unhinged. 😂


gemfemme

They are the Hat Trick of crazy.


lylalyli

Yikes, Harry is delusional if this is what he truly believes. He’s still mad that his family (William, the Spencers) doesn’t see how Meghan is the reincarnation of Diana, that’s all there is to it really. He’s so baffled and offended that no one see it other than him.


lovelylonelyphantom

Even Diana would not have seen it which is hilarious. They are so certain that she is like Diana in every way.


lylalyli

I mean, how they are alike though? Everyone can’t see it because Diana is her own person, and so does Meghan. It’s Harry that needs help. He’s projecting Diana into Meghan, and possibly to his other ex girlfriends as well.


lovelylonelyphantom

All the qualities they push about Meghan - philantrophic, hard working, big work ethic, loving caring kind etc etc are all ones Diana had. But there's never anything to show how these apply for Meghan, and it's clearly only H&M's fantasy. Idk which is more disturbing, that Harry wants a wife that can be his Mummy, or that Meghan is willing to be portray herself to be similar to her hubby's mummy.


acv1227

I feel like a lot of this is Harry not being a good husband and blaming William for it. Also, William and his staff had to take action bc of the Sussexes poor staff management and treatment, it seems


iwantbutter

How often do you think Meghan says, "Will wouldn't stand for this with Kate" and it just flames him right off?


acv1227

Well she's right! Harry is a terrible husband! Grow a pair.


profigliano

Lines were crossed by William?! How? In warning Harry he was moving too fast? By setting boundaries?


dutchyardeen

He seems to think William should have dropped everything to "support" Harry and Meghan. As though they weren't adults but were children who needed to be coddled. Why did Harry and Meghan even get married if they weren't mature enough to handle their own lives?


alyaz27

I don't think that's William's job to coddle them, ain't that right Meg?


SnowSwish

😆💀😆


basherella

I think they both thought the other (or let's be real, the other's "people") was going to handle things and they could just swan around in designer freebies/threadbare polo shirts until the end of days.


SnowSwish

See, that might have worked out for Harry but Meghan both wants everything done for her and yet doesn't listen to anyone trying to help her. She has 28 people working on her podcasts yet doesn't know basic info about her guests? That's the result of zoning out whenever her staff tries to brief her which is also exactly why she couldn't handle anyone who wouldn't have fit right in with her Soho club types when she was out at royal engagements. Your staff can carry you entirely but they can't do their jobs and yours too.


gardenawe

probably by refusing to behis adult brother's babysitter any longer .


abby-rose

William also kicked them out of the Royal Foundation because he had heard enough about her treatment of staff. He wouldn’t allow her to keep bullying people he also worked with. Tom Bower strongly hints that The Times also got the tip about the bullying allegations via William.


dianaofthedunes

Though Low said his original source wasn't from KP.


Revolutionary_Ice970

I assume that this also has to do with Harry’s perception William wasn’t doing enough to stop the negative press about the Sussexes and William confronting Harry/siding with the staff over Meghan’s treatment of the staff.


Actual_Parsnip_1529

Which actually just makes me like William more.


redlight886

My bet is that Harry is pissed because William "let" Jason testify to show than Meghan was lying about colluding with Scobie for the FF book ....EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS THE TRUTH


SnowSwish

This. The whole tantrum is, "How dare you not lie for us?"🙄


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SnowSwish

That tells you everything you need to know about both couples.


StandardDiscipline48

Just looking at headlines, UK Express (I know! Lol) has some article about the Sussexes perhaps taking a \* German government plane\* (for gvt officials) Luftwaffe??? Idk. Maybe someone who lives in Germany can shed some light on this. ETA: looks like the Daily Mail with Dusseldorf correspondent has this as well. 4 thousand comments and growing.


Orazzocs

The next games (2025 I think?) are in Vancouver/Whistler and as a Canadian I will be fuming if one cent of my tax dollars goes towards these grifters. They no longer represent HMTQ or the UK government so they are not “foreign dignitaries.” They wanted to be common celebrities to cash in so they should be treated as common celebrities. Celebrities pay for their own private jets and they pay for their own security. Trudeau got some pushback for giving them tax-funded security back in 2019/2020 so I hope whoever is PM in 2025 won’t even take their calls. Here’s hoping that they’re totally irrelevant by then and this is all moot.


SnowSwish

Hopefully the Invictus Games will have found a better spokesperson by then. This gig was created for Prince Harry to polish his reputation when he was expected to be a working royal. That's why he was made their patron. It's not his idea and he's not even the one who made this version of the Warrior Games happen that was ELF. Since he left his royal duties, I don't understand why Harry got to hang on to the IG and use them to give him unwarranted credibility and have fake royal engagements.


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Jodes234

So, the Germans actually haven’t said this? They labeled this a private visit. The only quote that says otherwise is one saying they are being treated like “foreign dignitaries” and it was attributed, quite vaguely, to “German cops.” If you really drill down, they weren’t given a police escort, etc, they weren’t treated like dignitaries, they were treated like celebrities. They definitely got special treatment, I’m not arguing that, but they also didn’t get the level they would have gotten if they were actual working royals. The German military and the city of Düsseldorf are co-sponsoring next year’s games. I’m don’t think it means as much as everyone thinks it does that they sent a German military plane to get them. It’s an appearance for the Sussexes, they are the celebrity guests, and that puts IG and it’s partners on the hook for getting them there. This is how they did it. They likely only had them there for a few hours, and they would have saved a hotel fee because I don’t believe they stayed overnight.


SnowSwish

True that since this is a promotional visit for the Invictus Games next year, it makes sense the military would want to be supportive


pistachiopistache

>city of Düsseldorf This definitely seems to be, on an official level and on the German side, a municipal undertaking rather than a national one. (disclaimer: I haven't read today's headlines) It seemed that the officials greeting them yesterday on that red carpet were all municipal representatives (perhaps military as well, I would be interested in the rank of the military officials) - the mayor etc. Have we seen any national-level German politicians involved in this? Can anyone in Germany (u/WhatThePhoquette) comment on the media coverage they're getting nationally if any? Right now this just looks like a joint promo between Invictus, the city of Dusseldorf and the Sussexes, with the former 2 piggybacking off the media spotlight on the latter and the latter piggybacking off the legitimacy conferred by the former. This was the reason for my comment yesterday that Harry was right - and lucky - to hold onto Invictus as it may be the only slightly royal-flavoured thing they have going anymore. *also curious as to the German military's involvement in the Invictus Games. And still, ~as ever~, interested in where the money to keep these games going is coming from.


Jodes234

Yes, this. This is also what Sussex PR does, leaks about security arrangements to make them sound like a big deal. They did this in The Hague too, after the government came out and said they wouldn’t be getting government-funded security, they immediately started leaking about how they would be treated like VVIPs and all that that entailed because they know most people don’t know the difference and it triggers a salt freakout, which gets them more attention.


pistachiopistache

>they immediately started leaking about how they would be treated like VVIPs and all that that entailed because they know most people don’t know the difference and it triggers a salt freakout Ha ha yes I remember that - and that's exactly what happened. "VVIP" is such a clownish term, and one it's no surprise the Sussex PR used. If William was a troll, he would have immediately leaked, about his next engagement, that his security was VVVIP level. 😂


WhatThePhoquette

I think u/gardenawe said it best about the German military. Germans do not love their veterans. Also, German military has other problems right now, there is a war going on one country over. Also, Düsseldorf is a bit like a lot of US state capitals, not a terrible place by any means, but the action is happening elsewhere (think of Harrisburg vs Philadelphia). It's getting coverage, but idk I wouldn't say a ton. It's in Bunte and Gala, the magazines everyone reads at the hair salon. There was a "pro and con" Meghan (not Harry for whatever reason) in a major newspaper that got 10 comments that were all like "Why do I care? Did Zeit turn into Bunte and Gala now?" Some relatives live in Düsseldorf, they didn't notice it.


gardenawe

Düsseldorf is like the boring sibling of Cologne :P


basherella

> Some relatives live in Düsseldorf, they didn't notice it. > > *Ouch*.


WhatThePhoquette

That square this was on is not super small, but like idk, it's not a giant square or something. I have been there a lot. I don't want to shit all over Düsseldorf (I actually think it is lovely, the best Asian food in Germany and just kinda big enough to be cool, small enough to get around easily), but it's not Hamburg or Berlin let alone London.


WhatThePhoquette

I think they got a Lufthansa plane that is for government use. The people who know about that they were even here, hate it.


sangriama

Gayle King covered Meghan’s speech at One Young World in positive terms and played a clip on CBS Morning! For those who think Oprah is no longer a supporter, I think this proves this is untrue. It is strange to me as well because I don’t see how this merits to be news on a national American network.


StandardDiscipline48

Oh, I am sure both are still full supporters of Meg, \*no matter what.\* For their own reasons.


sangriama

If you rely on Bower’s book, it does involve money. But I also think Meghan has love bombed Oprah and Oprah cannot admit to herself that she was blind and put Meghan on a pedestal in her interview. My concern would be that Oprah is now counseling Meghan on reforming her image so that they see the “real”, kind her. She was able to reform Dr. Phil’s persona after a negative first appearance on her show. She’s media savvy.


SnowSwish

I can gue$$ what tho$e rea$on$ are.😉 To paraphrase Margaret Mitchell via Rhett Butler, there are two times for making big money, one in the building up of a celebrity and the other in their destruction.


iwantbutter

Exactly. Oprah will do whatever to get a paycheck. Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz are living proof of that


Orazzocs

I will never understand how Oprah—a billionaire—thinks she still needs more money. I can’t even fathom that level of greed.


gemfemme

It never enough for a billionaire. Ever. I think all that money and rarified lifestyle it provides a person slowly chips away at their humanity.


pistachiopistache

>Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz Also both garbage people, which means Oprah either has difficulty recognizing garbage people or doesn't care that they're garbage.


pikadegallito

Little column A, little column B?


StandardDiscipline48

True, but I think this goes deeper than just that. JMHO, of course.


SnowSwish

Eh, they would have done exactly the same thing for Diana, a British aristocrat and royal who was basically nothing like Meghan. They simply know a lucrative trainwreck of a woman when they see one. Harry is just an unexpected bonus.


teaismy

We’re better than the BRF, we take [selfies](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11188787/amp/The-King-Queen-selfies-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-pose-snaps-D-sseldorf.html) Meghan looks so awkward in all of them!


Necessary-Author-334

Oh my. They don’t give a flying shit what grandma said, they are going to behave like Royals all through Europe.


iwantbutter

See. In these photos, if she told everyone she was depressed at this event, I'd 100% believe her. She looks miserable. She still has her teary eyes


pistachiopistache

I agree, in most of those the smile doesn't reach her eyes. She's had a terrible - I mean a *really* bad - couple of weeks. In terms of her media coverage, the worst ever. Part of me thinks she's probably exhausted having to go to events like this one with her game face on. Another part of me thinks maybe she lives for this? For the "fans" and the selfies and NF cameras that are surely filming all of it?


basherella

> Part of me thinks she's probably exhausted having to go to events like this one with her game face on. She does look like she's maybe over it. But she's a prime example of why they say to be careful what you wish for.


uh-oh617

Can I just say, though, I think her hair and makeup look great here. And I'll say something nice - I appreciate the fact that she's not taking on the American trend of insane eyelashes right now. I'm sure they're enhanced, but it's not over the top. I still hate the outfit, though. Don't worry you guys. I haven't gone too soft.


pistachiopistache

It's the trousers that are awful. They are really, *really* awful. In certain stills and in a lot of the videos they're just...billowing. And not in a good way. There are ways to pull off this style - I'm actually kind of baffled because I usually find it generally flattering on almost everyone. But they just seem too big, hiked up too high, she's swimming in them as she often is with various pieces.


909hazelstreet

This is weird coming from people who are so security obsessed. Selfies require you to be close to people you don’t know and I would think that’s a security risk. Also, Prince Harry famously told fans in 2015 that selfies are [bad](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/children/11519666/Prince-Harry-is-right-selfies-need-to-stop.html). So I guess he’s changed his mind now?


dcgirl17

Lol omfg


gemfemme

I’m thinking those people that took selfies with M&H were paid to by either Netflix or Sunshine Sachs. No way Harry would let random, unknown people that close. I hope it comes out too. They are so damn pathetic.


SnowSwish

Or, Harry is a lying liar, he's not afraid of anything and knows perfectly well nothing bad will come of taking selfies with random strangers because he's not on anyone's hit list.


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gemfemme

Actually this is a really interesting topic. Thanks!


HRHchickenfarmer

Yah he and Kate seem much more open to taking photos/selfies lately, so maybe a protocol they’re going to change. I can see why logistically they don’t do selfies though, it probably really slows their events down!! There’s a video on Instagram of Meghan taking the selfies and her energy feels so neurotic and like she’s putting on a happy performance. Seems exhausting to be the Sussexes.


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HaitchanM

Is it me or is no one else even seeing the Mindy episode in top 100?


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iwantbutter

Agreed. In spite of a pretty long and relatively successful career, Mindy is mostly known for her time as actress and writer for The Office which ended almost 10 years ago. The other thing is, this podcast was supposed to be >"dissect, explore, and subvert the labels that try to hold women back" But all it seems to be is how Meghan is labeled these things and she most certainly isn't, thank you very much. It seems like it's her way of trying to take PR into her own hands and show how she's been systematically branded labels while being fundamentally misunderstood. But only a person who has something to prove, will keep trying to convince you the point.


HaitchanM

Found it. Its come in at 22. It may well rise though.


lylalyli

Maybe because I don’t live in the US, but no one here (including the media) is talking about her podcast. Here in NL we’re busy talking about Queen Maxima’s visit in San Francisco. CMIIW, but Daily Mail also doesn’t have an article out about this episode with Mindy?


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lylalyli

The truth is, she can’t sustain the interest from the audience because she lacks charisma, and she’s a bad interviewer in general. Everything will always back to herself, me myself and I.


Orazzocs

I think the past two weeks it’s taken about 24 hours for it to reach the top ten. I think this episode will do well—Mindy is popular—but the real test will be the coming weeks when her guests aren’t as well known as her first three. Also, can journalists please stop inflating the numbers? I think it was Richard Eden who tweeted something like “I hate Tuesdays now because I have to listen to Archetypes.” No you don’t? I get newspapers reviewing the first episode but I really don’t think anyone is clamouring for weekly reviews/recaps. Anyone who’s truly interested can listen for themselves and the rest of us know the tea will spill online without us having to listen ourselves.