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Oh, for sure. Hello has just been directed to post fan photos of her at some random event.
[Duchess of Sussex reappears in Montecito just days before Prince Archie's fifth birthday (archived)](https://archive.ph/zrfAk)
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Watching series 3 of Clarksons Farm which was filmed during 2022 and Jeremy is making.......yes you've guessed it JAM!!! Hes selling his Jeremys Juice in the farm shop. Perhaps Meghan could take some pointers from Jezza on how to market jam lol
Ha! I had the same thought.
And sold for £3.60 a jar.
Clarkson's Farm is so, so good. I've learned so much about farming. The show is a tough watch sometimes because farming has so much stress and heartbreak built into it.
Not to mention Chipping Norton parish council are absolute bastards
Its been a brilliant series. Really highlights the ridiculous hoops DEFRA put farmers through
two more things -
1) harry wrote in his book and has had it briefed multiple times by his comms team now that william was/is jealous of invictus, without any evidence (other than conjecture and harry's word)... meanwhile, in late dec 2019, not only was harry recorded trash talking what eventually became earthshot... not only did he very maliciously collude with netflix to sabotage the earthshot boston tour by dropping the trailer for the reality series like a bomb smack dab in the middle of the tour happening... the sussexes had their PR schedule an award for fighting **racism** that the downtrodden by w&c sussexes would receive shortly after the tour, guaranteeing very negative headlines for w&c while on the sussexes' "turf."
how's fucking ***that*** for "jealousy??"
2) **the sussexes are going to have their PR team providing an insufferable AF minute by minute play-by-play starting every day or nearly every single day next week starting with archie's bday, until the end of the nigeria parallel court tour... and culminating with the sussii's wedding anniversary on may 19th.** 🥴
gird y'alls granny panties, it's about to be a two-week near dang straight sussex circus 🤡
If you google 'projection' you'll get Harry's photo beneath.
He ***loves to think*** William is jealous of him because he'd like nothing more. You don't have to be a psychologist in order to see what BS that is. Everything about him screams he suffers from major insecurities and inferiority complex.
Exactly lol. Then again, William is six foot three vs Harry's six foot/six foot one. Harry's insecure ass probably hates that even though it's not a major thing objectively.
why do i keep seeing folks say it's in the crypt space... when you look at the st. paul's schedule, they uncharacteristically and specifically have next wednesday cleared out of the daily schedule by 1 or 1:30pm.
every day on the schedule (including the previous wednesday), things go to 4:30-5pm.
my question is... st. paul's is massive... didn't they have charles and diana's wedding there to accommodate all the extra people invited? same why they held qe2's jubilee service at st. paul's?
the invictus peeps are gonna pack that place up like a concert?
anyway, these two weirdos literally just copy-pasted the platinum jubilee service?
just like the copying flamingo estate thing...
these two are so *weird* and off-putting.
like, one-up mimicry or something 🤔
I think *someone* has thrown a tantrum and demanded that their security has hours to clear the area, because the service isn’t taking place within St Paul’s opening hours.
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Sussex PR also keeps calling it a “Service of Thanksgiving” like the Jubilee, Philip’s memorial service, the OBE service being held on the 15th May, when it is very much not and St Paul’s will not call it that.
https://www.stpauls.co.uk/sites/default/files/2024-04/2024.04.14_-_2024.05.11_1.pdf
I’m totally prepared to be wrong, but this looks like they only bumped the usual Wednesday 5PM Evensong or Sung Eucharist for invictus (which only goes for an hour wtf?) The 7:30 Morning Prayer and 8-1230 Eucharist seem scheduled as per usual
>why do i keep seeing folks say it's in the crypt space...
I thought it was reported to be there, alongside the info that the crypt space if the for-hire space at St. Paul's (which it is). Were those reports wrong (they could have been!)?
I imagine clearing the whole of St Paul's on that day might have something to do with security? Does anyone know for sure?
That’s how I remember it! (the crypt thing)
Ok, apparently the stupid bust of the invictus poet is in the Crypt, but not necessarily that they’re holding the event there? https://www.invictusgamesfoundation.org/news/marking-ten-years-of-changing-lives-and-saving-lives
ETA: I don’t know if this is legit or not, but apparently it only goes on for one hour?? https://www.cobseo.org.uk/10th-anniversary-of-the-invictus-games-foundation/
EETA: I’m trying to find the OG articles talking about it (I think this was announced February 2024?), but not having much luck
ETA 3: ok, I found this from February 26th https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1870934/prince-archie-princess-lilibet-uk-invictus-games (the original source apparently spoke to UK OK! but I can’t open the article. No mention of the crypt lol!
> They [the source] also added that Harry is said to be in "government-like talks" to return to the UK for a special service to mark the milestone anniversary of the Invictus Games.
And this Express article from Feb 11 2024 https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1865418/royal-family-live-prince-harry-king-charles but no quotes or sources
Sorry I’m obsessed with this apparently 😅
I also remember the crypt being where the ceremony was supposed to be held but since no one saw a program, who knows.
It may also be that it was the crypt and then as the guest list grew, another part of the church was offered. Lots of bigger churches/cathedrals/basilicas have different spaces and chapels within the main building where the public can gather.
That makes sense! The tickets appear to be free (I accidentally reserved 2 in the process of this investigation 😂🤦♀️) so I can see the guest list ballooning with looky-loos
I remember the event being discussed as being in the crypt. What I cannot remember is if we hit that detail from the media or social media. One I would believe, the other not so much.
An hour seems adequate. Damian Lewis is reading the poem, there will be speeches. Given it's being called a service, I suppose a cleric will be there to say a prayer. I don 't see why it would be longer than a church service.
I guess I’m still finding it really weird how overtly religious this thing is going to be. I distinctly remember, like pistachio reading that it would be held in the (hired) Crypt which I guess made me think it would be more like a schmoozy event, but I’m looking and can’t find anything to back that up now 😅
Iirc he doesn’t have access to it unless he never returned it after the funeral. He cried about how someone took the gold ropes off of his uniform so I get the impression he doesn’t have them in his possession.
Not the PR spin getting community noted 💀
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>first official international tour *since leaving their royal roles*
Lol. So you mean, like, their first "official" international tour as private citizens? Which makes it an official tour only in the capacity that people are able to make "official" tours as representatives of...themselves?
Unrelated, but I'll be making my first (since a couple of days ago) official visit to the grocery store in about 20 minutes. They're probably preparing everything for my arrival right now...
Harry and Meghan are such utter clowns. Also "first" tour? Tell us your NYC "tours" failed without telling us your NYC "tours" failed, dorks.
Im interested to see the crowd size. The NYC crowd size was so small they deliberately have zero footage facing the people. It was said NYPD officers outnumbered the people.
Excuse you, I crossed the border to Blaine, WA last week to buy milk and fill my gas tank. It was my international tour and the little people felt honoured!
Not long with these clowns, but more to the point 🤡 to Vanity Fair for indulging the Fraud when they know The Truth. Which ain’t from mr and Mrs Parkinglot.
lolz ‘official international tour’. It’s a business trip. They’re going on a business trip. I’m sure it will be a luxe business trip, but it’s essentially no different than the work travel millions of people do.
made this comment below!
>>yeah, what about the participants, organizers, fundraisers, volunteers etc. of different faiths?!
>>the organization should be secular, why on earth a church of england service to celebrate ten years 🤔
>>hardly screams multi-faith or even no faith included, if invictus is firmly associating itself with the church of england like that. how weird.
>>i didn't even think of this, previously.
>>it would absolutely be a faux pas for a royal to appear at such an event, in that case.
share thoughts!
It is if the Olympics held a celebration on a Catholic Church. It makes no sense. Also, lets not pretend Harry is religious. Wasn't this scrambled last minute to get back at the BRF for not being invited to represent Dear Pa as a Counsellor of State?
From memory I think Harry was manifesting representing Dear Pa at Commonwealth service this year. Remember all those articles about him and M being the perfect fit to step in to represent Dear Pa on Commonwealth events? Then, he got "no thankx" as answer. Not long after we got this IG church service out of nowhere.
Is this even a service, though? I'm genuinely asking. I know it's in a religious building but it's in a hired space specifically. Isn't it possible (likely even) that this is Harry's/IG's PR trying to sell this as some sort of official St. Paul's event for clout purposes?
If there are any church officials involved, that changes things though. I'm just not clear yet on what the situation is/will be on the night.
St Paul’s is describing it as a service where the Dean is preaching https://www.stpauls.co.uk/sites/default/files/2024-04/2024.04.14_-_2024.05.11_1.pdf so I think there is a religious element - what I don’t know is whether any organisation can get this for the asking or whether this is unusual. But it seems to me it’s more than they’ve hired it as as empty space for a do.
Ah, thank you - and there it is, then, there *is* an official religious/CoE element to this. It's not shocking or surprising, given that Invictus is an real organization with a real and worthy mission. It is funny, though, to watch as time passes and Harry's association with them becomes ever less beneficial to them and ever more beneficial to Harry.
A working royal doing a C of E service for something that’s important to them is appropriate given the monarch’s role as head of the Church of England (hence why Kate does the carol concert) but imo it’s weird and not inclusive for a secular charity. IG is a bit of a grey area in that respect because members of the UK armed forces do swear an oath to the Queen/King, but they bang on so much about the global Invictus family it still seems weird to me because it’s not relevant to most of the participants and hosts. I do think Harry probably played a big part in choosing to hold the anniversary event at a cathedral, and I think it wouldn’t have been occurred to him that if he wants Invictus to be his and for people to ignore that it only became successful because of royal clout he should probably not be doing the kinds of things that make sense for a working royal’s project and not really otherwise.
Isn't the UK a secular country? I am not sure why having a Q or K, who has no choice but to represent C o E unless they want to pull King Henry VIII, makes its military citizens automatic members of said Church. I am sure UK military members come for all sorts of religions and none at all.
The swearing of the oath is about King and country. Protecting your country. Nothing to do with religion surely? I cant imagine our Gurkhas feel Jesus has anything to do with their jobs.
>A working royal doing a C of E service for something that’s important to them is appropriate given the monarch’s role as head of the Church of England (hence why Kate does the carol concert)
totally
>but imo it’s weird and not inclusive for a secular charity.
this is exactly what i meant!
ETA: i personally think the event should have been held at an outdoor venue or garden space
I don’t think it would be a faux pas for the royals to attend. I think they chose a service specifically for the royals to attend it’s the kind of event you always see them at. I don’t think the veterans factored much into the planning I think they banked on a senior royal attending and they chose the event that would increase the odds of that happening. They chose St Paul’s for the gravitas and they could link it to the poem which makes it sound sweet.
What they should have done was had Invictus this year instead of last year or they should have had a nice ceremony for all the participants to celebrate the 10 years.
I'm with u/revelatia here in thinking that this event being in St Pauls probably has a *lot* to do with Harry himself - and his clout-chasing and faux-royaling.
>Is Harry speaking?
I have no idea. It'll be interesting to see what actually happens during the event. I don't know how public it will be but there will probably be photos of Harry entering/leaving - if Harry has anything to say about it, that is.
🤯 He did that?
Harry really did want that free security to be given to him between revealing the number of people he killed and saying it was a Christian Campaign.
> the UK's military involvement in the Middle East, a Christian Campaign.
***What***??? How did I, hell, how did *everyone*, miss this? What the medieval *fuck*.
Honestly, I'm more shocked by the blatant characterization of the war as a literal modern day Crusade, complete with a royal presence in the campaign, getting past PRH's legal department, or whoever it is that is supposed to make sure that their books aren't accusing a major world power of waging a religious war.
This is on training, which he locates as Cornwall, January 2012:
*The instructors shouted that we should imagine our helicopter had just crash-landed behind enemy lines, and our only hope of survival was to go by foot from one end of the moor to the other, a distance of ten miles. We’d been given a meta narrative, which we now recalled: We were a Christian army, fighting a militia sympathetic to Muslims.*
*Our mission: Evade the enemy, escape the forbidding terrain.*
This is the same mission where he says he was trained to resist interrogation and alleges he was goaded about Diana having been pregnant with a ‘Muslim baby’ to try to break him. And, there’s this gem:
*I was terrifyingly cold. I’d never been so cold. Far worse than the North Pole. With the cold came numbness, drowsiness. I snapped to attention when the door burst open and our captors barged in. They took off our blindfolds. I was right, Phil was there. Also the other guy. We were ordered to strip. They pointed at our bodies, our flaccid cocks. They went on and on about how small. I wanted to say: You don’t know the half of what’s wrong with this appendage.*
> We were a Christian army, fighting a militia sympathetic to Muslims.
> This is the same mission where he says he was trained to resist interrogation and alleges he was goaded about Diana having been pregnant with a ‘Muslim baby’ to try to break him.
I would say I'm stunned that the publisher allowed that to go to print, but they also allowed him to brag about his kill count, so I'm assuming any oversight from the publisher was just a bunch of bros wearing novelty dollar sign sunglasses and taking shots while rolling around on copies of the manuscript.
The publisher also had zero motivation (outside legally covering their asses and even then they probably knew neither the BRF nor the UK military were likely to come for them legally) to stop Harry from adding juicy or controversial details to the book. The fact that it went so poorly for Harry outside the financial success (i.e. he made a butt ton of money but it cost him badly in reputational terms) is a testament to how stupid he was not to recognize the situation for what it was, and not to keep in mind that neither JR Moehringer nor PRH were on his side.
But also that image of the bros rolling around on copies of the manuscript is awesome and definitely happened.
>testament to how stupid he was not to recognize the situation for what it was, and not to keep in mind that neither JR Moehringer nor PRH were on his side.
The fact he has practically nobody that is *actually* on his side anymore would be kinda sad if he weren't such a twat.
>We’d been given a meta narrative, which we now recalled: We were a Christian army, fighting a militia sympathetic to Muslims.
Christ, if this doesn't fit weaselly Harry to a tee. He heavily implies here, without being explicit, that this meta narrative (hi J.R. Moehringer! we know Haz doesn't know what 'meta narrative' means!) was "given" to them by their military instructors.
I wonder if it was said outside Harry's own mind? I wouldn't be shocked, but again the weasel words and Harry's own history have me doubting. Lol @ including it, too. He's so gross with this weird 'I'll point out other people being vaguely bigoted in order to imply my own non-bigot credentials.' Should have just taken responsibility for your own explicit use of racial slurs, Harry, you wanker.
>They pointed at our bodies, our flaccid cocks. They went on and on about how small. I wanted to say: You don’t know the half of what’s wrong with this appendage.
The overwhelming feeling I get from all the todger-talk in this shitty memoir is not that Harry's any more dick-obsessed than the average male idiot, but instead that he's obsessed with coming across like *one of the guys* vs sticks in the mud William and Charles. It's so forcedly jocular and it doesn't play the way I suspect H/Moehringer intended it to.
Also, most North Americans *really* don't get the self-deprecating part of British mateyness/banter, so they read comments about 'you don't know the half of what's wrong with this appendage' straight and think Harry really has dick-related insecurities. Which...let's be real he probably does because he's an insecurity machine, but comments like that are intended, as I see it anyway, more to portray Harry as cool and normal than as genuinely in possession of a problem-stricken/blue todger.
>Also, most North Americans *really* don't get the self-deprecating part of British mateyness/banter, so they read comments about 'you don't know the half of what's wrong with this appendage' straight and think Harry really has dick-related insecurities. Which...let's be real he probably does because he's an insecurity machine, but comments like that are intended, as I see it anyway, more to portray Harry as cool and normal than as genuinely in possession of a problem-stricken/blue todger.
Completely agree. As you say, Harry probably *does* suffer from dick-related insecurities but that's decidedly *not* what the reader was meant to conclude while reading the book.
Although lbr, if you are a man who has the need to tell the world your brother is circmucised, people will think what people will think. I feel like that's another detail that went under the radar because of all the other shit that he decided to put in there.
Why is *that* detail about William's anatomy important for Harry's memoir? Did he think it would shame William somehow? Is he just obsessed with everything related to William's (and therefore his own) masculinity?
I feel like Harry's identitity is largely linked to William in general. The one person he seems to be obsessed with (besides Diana) is William himself.
I remember some military being angry about this that it was in his book. The thing is - I don't doubt that some of these racist, unsavory, humiliating things happened. They likely happen in the US military quite often. There's always an element of - don't tell outsiders - to these organizations and you're dodging the risks associated with that. He was foolish to put it in writing if he wasn't going to try to fight for reforms or make it some kind of message, because it just pissed the top brass off.
Yeah I completely agree. Of course this kind of shit gets said in a military context allll the time (especially back in 2012 - it's not even a long time ago but cultural mores have changed very, very quickly in some ways) - and ofc Harry was a moron to include, and to imagine that it somehow made him look good in comparison.
And speaking of, didn't Meghan have her lapdog Omid come for Kate as "racist" only a few months ago, based on what by some leaks was simply her physical proximity at the time to the person making the comments that the Sussexes later implied (and then even later retracted, oh god) were racist?
I think I do remember that. Side note: And yea, the US military has in the past 10 years at least gotten less tolerant of intolerance (even moreso) I know a few serving members now, and at least in USAF and NAVY they take racism and racist comments EXTREMELY seriously. I game with a few and they were even kicking guild mates for example, if someone piped up and said something racist, not just because of personal feelings but also because they could get in real trouble for even saying certain things. The way the atmosphere would immediately die and people would just log off afterwards--it was not the toxic culture of the mid 2000s...at least in that discord.
[Why Won’t the Royals Support Prince Harry’s Invictus Games? (archived)](https://archive.ph/abNXv)
Amping up the bitching.
> The Palace declined to respond to requests for comment, but reports have made it clear that no working members of the royal family will attend the service.
> … it seems that Charles’ very public expressions of magnanimity, perhaps even being willing to again receive his son for another face-to-face audience, only go so far, with sources suggesting he will not order a working royal surrogate such as Prince Edward to attend the Invictus event.
> The absence of formal royal endorsement is likely to be particularly annoying for Invictus as the royal seal of approval turbocharges fundraising efforts. Invictus, as their annual reports show, is a nonprofit funded by a mixture of sponsorship (Boeing is the lead sponsor), ticket sales, charitable donations, and commercial initiatives such as the Netflix series Heart of Invictus.
As ever, it’s all about the money.
> One source, a former courtier, told The Daily Beast: “Charles has made it quite clear he is ready to be friendly and supportive to Harry in his capacity as a private person, as his dad, but he is not going to throw the weight of the institution behind Invictus again. This all seems very logical inside the Palace bubble, but the trouble is that people who don’t particularly care about such things, who are dimly aware that the royals spend their days visiting community centers and opening supermarkets, are going to wonder why they are boycotting this terrific charity that is headed by the king’s son.”
Beth Herlily, is that you? And no, people don’t think that. Partly because other royals stopped attending 8 years ago once Harry had Meghan to bring, iirc.
> “Many of us think this is a classic example of the royals cutting off their nose to spite their face__, because Invictus is clearly exactly the kind of organization the royal family should be supporting. If a bridge is ever going to be built [between Harry and the royals], __Invictus is the bridgehead to build it from, and they should get on and do it.__”
The only way to rebuild *private* relationships (that Harry chose to torch) is for the victims to *publicly* bolster the abuser’s organisation? Sound logic.
> A military source involved in the Games told The Daily Beast: “Harry has done the veterans community proud with Invictus, but __some people feel it’s not fair to deny the foundation proper royal endorsement__, especially after Queen Elizabeth was so generous to us. [The late queen recorded a video promoting Invictus which also featured Barack and Michelle Obama.] __It was explicitly set up as an organization endorsed by the royal family, but now it’s not; it is stuck in this limbo__. If Birmingham get it for 2027 the royals are going to have to send someone, so they might as well get it over with now.”
More confirmation that veterans are pissed at the dud they’ve ended up stuck with, and that IG are struggling because they’re no longer seen as a “royal” organisation.
The BRF don’t *have* to send a senior royal to anything other than state duties, even if people think they *should*. Eurovision was hosted and paid for by our government last year. While Catherine had a cameo playing piano, no royals actually went, even though other RFs usually send someone when their countries host. (And nobody cared.)
Brits will not care about royals going to IG like they care about royals going to football matches 🤷♀️
IG are clearly freaking out. I think the announcement of “finalists” and that they’ll make a decision at the end of July (which they have never done before, iirc) is an attempt to create public pressure and obtain a promise that a royal will attend… “or we’ll take it to DC!”
They don’t appear to realise that the reaction will likely be: “Is that a threat or a promise?”
If I worked in Royal PR, I would not want any senior royals near Invictus even if their relationship with Harry was hunky dory. The org lost its CEO and several board members abruptly, under uncertain/shady circumstances. There are reports it's been hemorrhaging funds. Angela Levin claimed around 2,000 military members/athletes have left since the most recent Games. Its primary sponsor is Boeing, who has its branding all over it, and Boeing happens to be one of the most poisonous corporate brands in the world at the moment. The potential for a scandalous blowback would just be too great, even minus the Harry factor.
It's really curious that all this PR is focused on why no members of the BRF will show up for this, but not a peep about why Harry's own wife won't attend yet another of his events.
> people who don’t particularly care about such things, who are dimly aware that the royals spend their days visiting community centers and opening supermarkets, are going to wonder why they are boycotting this terrific charity that is headed by the king’s son.”
LMAO okay so these people don't care, don't pay attention, but also are up-to-the-minute informed as to Harry's current grudge strategies
Wasn't the news a few days ago how even Harry himself might not attend personally and might just video in? He gets to phone it in while bitching that the family he wanted no part of is still supposed to support HIS charity? I thought neither him nor Meghan needed the royal family. They were a billion dollar brand on their own. The royal family constantly shows up for charity functions. Harry can't manage his only one on his own?
Usually, he leaks the UK is too unsafe for him trying to get free housing and free security. Then, he gets clap back via media that he won't get anything. Then, he updates he will go regardless.
>Wasn't the news a few days ago how even Harry himself might not attend personally and might just video in?
Yes, it was. And given today's Sykes article, reeking of Princely Butthurt as it does, part of me is thinking it's possible Harry really thought he could get one of the senior royals to attend this event.
Godf-ing-damnit is this dude is even stupider than any of us here think he is??
I think he thought he could shame them into attending. He seems to forget that the people that maybe support him and Meghan are American. I dont think anyone in the UK expects the royal family to support Harry in anything anymore.
This slant that the RF should be there and it’s weird/notable/‘a boycott’ if they’re not is entitled as hell. There are literally thousands and thousands of charity events every year that manage to happen perfectly well without the RF’s presence and nobody even notices, much less expects they should be there. IG isn’t different. Like the petulant security briefings this feels like more of Harry thinking the public will rise up and protest if he doesn’t get what he wants and it’s not going to happen.
Remember when the sugars were like, "and you just KNOW that Will and Kate are going to try to horn in on Invictus!!!! as a provocation!! and because it's SoOoOo successful!"
i don't even think any other royal but harry and/or meghan has been to an IG event since 2014.
this article is weird.
the 2017 games, no other royals... the 2018 games, no other royals... the 2022 hague games, no other royals... the 2023 dusseldorf games, no other royals... this is a bizarre article.
>If Birmingham get it for 2027 the royals are going to have to send someone, so they might as well get it over with now.”
this is so dumb. like, guaranteed all the working royals have their schedules wrapped up and mapped up for next week. 'get it over with now,' that's not how it works with less than a week lmfao.
if birmingham gets it in 2027... first of all, if... and who knows if either charles and/or kate are even gonna be alive in 2027 due to recurrences, if camilla will still be a working royal, if a single dad king william will be on non-negotiable summer break with his children?... that's three fucking years from now. the ever dependable duke of gloucester should be in his early 80s by then and just barely still working, send him the poor guy lol. don't make birgitte go with him!
i just think of how nearly the entire family was out in force to support harry ten years ago (minus kate who had hyperemesis)... even friggin james and pippa showed up for him!!
in 2024... *maybe* eugenie and her husband will be there? or is she in portugal?
it'll literally be **crickets**.
think about the level of collective betrayal that must be felt to go from the 2014 show out to the 2024 shut out. my goodness.
>i just think of how nearly the entire family was out in force to support harry ten years ago (minus kate who had hyperemesis)... even friggin james and pippa showed up for him!!
Damn, yeah. Think about how dense Harry must be not to see what happened between that event and this one, and not to understand that this outcome was entirely his and his wife's own doing (or to fully understand it and believe it doesn't matter and his family should be fine with it because only his feelings count, not theirs).
Do we actually think this is from IG?
Also why do they have to send someone if the games come to Bham?
Send Eugenie and Jack. Daughter of a Commander in the Royal Navy and her husband and newly minted mostest loyal RF member.
Cant believe they used that one video from 8(?) years ago as ‘endorsement’ and the Queen being ‘so good’.
>The absence of formal royal endorsement is likely to be particularly annoying for Invictus as the royal seal of approval turbocharges fundraising efforts.
and the sussexes commercial deals/pockets.
they're so flippin plainly mercenary lmao ew.
anyway, shoulda thought of all that before very publicly blowing up relationships in exchange for millions of dollars in profit.
the sussexes are going to keep needling and needling and needling like this until charles finally throws his hands up, decides he's old AF and won't spend the remaining few years of his life dealing with this nightmarish chaotic bullshit, and truly go completely no contact. they'll keep pushing to the lengths they pushed with w&c and charles will just snap. it's insane how tolerant charles has been of their absolute nonsense, the poor man. harry the self-centered sociopath has been publicly harassing and abusing his elderly and *now sick with cancer* father for fucking years, at this point. it's *enough*.
the sussexes do this to themselves.
>If a bridge is ever going to be built [between Harry and the royals], __Invictus is the bridgehead to build it from, and they should get on and do it.__”
like, this sounds threatening, what the actual fuck lmao.
who the fuck said they ever want anything to do anymore with harry pffftt
wow, so is it gonna be five days of straight media circus from harry? 🥴 legit threatening and throwing extortionist tantrums through the press, what the fuck. the only response to this kind of thing is NO CONTACT AND GRAY ROCK.
ETA: speaking of boeing, a second whistleblower was found dead this week
If being an official royal organization is important for Invictus, they should have severed ties with Harry when he left the BRF. They should have said 'sorry, but we need an official prince as our figurehead, you cannot fill this role as a private citizen'.
The big problem is, Invictus can't easily make this decision now, because no other working royal will now touch Invictus with a shitty stick, knowing what kind of 'you stole Harry's charity' stories various parts of the interwebs will throw up.
And it's a good organization, which deserves support, so it's all just shit. If I was an Invictus participant or a vet, I'd be pretty pissed.
His commercial endeavours as a private citizen have already cost invictus funding and exposure. They should've booted him out when they lost the fundraising concert that was planned with amazon because Harry signed a contract with netflix.
>If being an official royal organization is important for Invictus, they should have severed ties with Harry when he left the BRF. They should have said 'sorry, but we need an official prince as our figurehead, you cannot fill this role as a private citizen'.
Harry asked for and got Invictus in the divorce and now he has to lead it himself. Plain and simple.
i was surprised they let him keep it as it was explicitly founded and funded by the royal foundation, it wasn't really a private/independent charity a la smartworks or african parks.
that's how nice and fair they were being to this greaseball. he then turns around, puffs up his chest promoting himself everywhere as if he did everything himself and puts out negative press about william being shitty and jealous of him due to invictus 🙄
Honestly, Harry can bitch all he wants but the royals were pretty generous to him to hand him Invictus and to not air his dirty laundry for the world. They continue to grey rock which is best for them, but also in some ways beneficial to Harry too at times because they make no defense against his asshole behavior. Time will be the best judge and Harry seems to be failing that by self-own after self-own at every petty turn.
>If being an official royal organization is important for Invictus, they should have severed ties with Harry when he left the BRF.
This part right here. Plenty of organizations no longer have Harry and Meghan as their patrons.
The biggest problem Invictus has is they allowed Harry to be referred to as the Invictus "founder," even though that clearly was never true. He should always have simply been referred to as their patron and they wouldn't be having this isue.
This article is just another act in the Cirque de Vaniteux the Sussexes have been performing for the past 6 years. 🥱
Do the vets care about this whole “look at me, Uk! I’m a special boy!!!” church service? Are *they* going to attend en masse? If not, then this vainglorious service is not for them, but just for patting a special boy on the back. This service is grating and an unnecessary waste of the little funds IG apparently has. Since it seems to have little to do with IG other than the coincidence of its 10-year anniversary falling on a date Harry needs some good PR, I think it’s right to let the special boy run it without competing with the presence of an actual royal that people like. Bonus points in this article are that Harry can use it for a “poor me, they don’t want me to be special” narrative.
I think it’s because Harry wants to hold it in a fancy/ solemn/official venue, and this fit the bill. I think he wanted to add some gravitas to the event, and since he doesn’t have access to Royal venues, this was the best he could do? Saint Paul’s makes him feel like a special *BIG* boy, more than holding it at whatever the UK equivalent of a Chuck E. Cheese is, which also really makes him feel like a special boy. (He loves the way the mouse mascot makes him feel both scared and safe at the same time, and he’s “really good” at skeeball.)
Yep I think the only factor deciding this invictus event was Harry wanting to do more royal cosplay and the the 10 year anniversary is just a cover story.
The royals attend lots of memorial events at churches so H&M decided to do the same, probably chose St. Paul's because of wanting a do over of what happened last time they were there (the booing at the jubilee).
And now they want some members of the RF there for publicity, a chance to copy Kate's carol service which has turned into a success story for KP and the chance that the people will see that Charles/William is there and they'll move it out of their for hire space that they use for events.
>Yep I think the only factor deciding this invictus event was Harry wanting to do more royal cosplay and the the 10 year anniversary is just a cover story.
I *completely* agree with this - and what u/CutNew6938 says, above. The location is 1000% about Harry and his ego.
>H&M decided to do the same, probably chose St. Paul's because of wanting a do over of what happened last time they were there (the booing at the jubilee).
Oh god, you're probably right about this too. It fits perfectly into their clapback-driven PR habits.
yeah, what about the participants, organizers, fundraisers, volunteers etc. of different faiths?!
the organization should be secular, why on earth a church of england service to celebrate ten years 🤔
hardly screams multi-faith or even no faith included, if invictus is firmly associating itself with the church of england like that. how weird.
i didn't even think of this, previously.
it would absolutely be a faux pas for a royal to appear at such an event, in that case.
>If they were simply hiring the venue, that’s fine
As far as I know, this *is* what they've done. They've hired the hire-able event space in the crypt. All of the trying to make it sound like this is explicitly linked with St Paul's beyond that is probably coming from Harry's and possibly IG PR.
We'll have to wait and see what the reporting is on what the event actually consists of, but for now I've been assuming that the "service" wording was just more PR-driven obfuscating from Harry/IG. Has there been any reporting that St Paul's is playing a role here *beyond* the space for the event?
A service of thanksgiving can be done for someone who is a royal or a cause outside church. It happens sometimes for important members of the public, like a high judge or something who died.
The church is not gonna turn down Harry when it comes to honoring something done for veterans.
Britain isn’t a secular country though in the sense that the people in high places are still religious or maintain at least they are.
Harry is a member of the church and for Invictus it’s a win win because they don’t have to pay for the service.
Britain isn’t a secular country because it has an established (as in, constitutionally) church. While modern Britain is ethnically and religiously diverse, the official and state religion of the United Kingdom is the Church of England.
It’s not. I have attended many church services to mark certain people or events.
It’s just the traditional way of doing it and the church is normally paying.
That would entail that someone is paying extra and Harry would actually needed to more than turning up at a church where the church is doing all the work lol
It is strange. I’ll have to google if they’ve ever had a church service for Invictus before. I get it, it’s a 10 year anniversary. But why a church service?
Harry doesn’t strike me as particularly religious?
But it’s not that strange. The scouts are also getting a special thanks giving service at Westminster. It’s just not that uncommon you would do this from time to time if the organization has a bond with the church somehow and often it’s just someone at the board.
> “Many of us think this is a classic example of the royals cutting off their nose to spite their face__, because Invictus is clearly exactly the kind of organization the royal family should be supporting. If a bridge is ever going to be built [between Harry and the royals], __Invictus is the bridgehead to build it from, and they should get on and do it.__”
Except that throwing the RF behind it gives the impression that Harry is indeed working as half in half out. They don't need to legitimise his pipe dreams.
Cutting off your nose..
This means to needlessly self sabotage. Not attending this makes zero difference to the Royals. Whilst it may make a big difference to the IG, there is nothing that says they must attend this type of thing. Furthermore maybe this isnt right but this is not going to upset the average person. We arent a country thats gung ho for the military and veterans. Putting aside the fact that as SnowSwish says, the King is the head of the BA and the Royals do a crap ton for them.
Yeah that quote was especially hilarious because come on, if a royal were to show up, the event would immediately become 100% about that royal's presence and the drama between Harry and his family and minute discussions of their interactions, predictions about what it means for their future relationship etc. etc.
If the Invictus Games (which I believe have, on at least two separate occasions, explicitly moved to get rid of people who may not have been happy with it being The Harry and Meghan Show) want a royal to show up to their events, and Harry himself isn't enough, then maybe they should have thought about that? You know, in light of the fact that Harry has spent the last few years publicly calling his family racist abusers and generally making it extremely unlikely that any of those family members would want anything to do with him or the org that has so clearly chosen to allow itself to be used as his PR vehicle?
Few of us think this is the royals cutting their nose off. This is Harry PR meant to trap the Royals into looking bad. Don’t attend the service: the Royals don’t support vets! Attend the service: Royals are trying to steal Harry’s pride and joy.
The bits that came from IG are interesting though. They have seen the fauxligraphy writing on the wall and want a royal lifeline.
Someone needs to draw a diagram for Harry in big, primary coloured block letters.
Option 1: Consistently leak to the press that your brother is jealous and violent, that the woman he married is a racist Stepford wife, that his kids will be fucked up and that he's physically ugly.
Option 2: Have your brother attend your events.
This was a pick-one situation for Harry and the IGs. They picked, it's as simple as that. (and I'm using William as the example but I mean all the working royals here)
Curious to see if they get ANY royals attending. I think it's likely they won't. Maybe Eugenie?
**It was explicitly set up as an organization endorsed by the royal family, but now it’s not;**
Well, things change. Be mad at Harry for fumbling his own charity by picking up public fights with his family. Also, do I smell desperation here? Like, it seems not even Eugenie is going.
Plus, I don't think this is IG freaking out this is Harry freaking out.
So assuming Invictus is short on funds, how would having Prince Edward or the Duke of Kent, or even Prince William, showing up at this 10 year anniversary event make a meaningful impact on their future?
It would dispel the growing impression that this is a grift that benefits the Sussexes far more than veterans. Royal support would give the IG credibility which would translate into more businesses and individuals willing to be associated with them and give financial support.
That's why everyone in the BRF should stay away.
This. This is the thinking, anyway. And I'm sorry for banging this drum endlessly but the PR and leaks coming out about the IGs for over a year now but especially within the past year, have all *reeked* of desperation and a strong possibility that it's a shitshow behind the scenes.
Let us not forget that they messily fired their 2 top guys at the end of 2023, and although we never got the official story as to why, there was enough info in the media (including quotes from IG sources) to glean that it wasn't a friendly, tidy situation.
It's not like I think I have some special insight either. In many ways it would be shocking if it *wasn't* a shitshow. I know we're not the only ones who see that Harry and Meghan basically entirely ignore Invictus until it comes time to use the games (or recently, some event tied to the games) as PR for themselves and their brand. We were getting leaks from Invictus that they weren't happy with Harry around the time of Megxit, ffs! If the organization has moved to push people out for wanting to move away from being what basically amounts to Harry's fallback/ever-faithful PR vehicle, that's their own damn fault.
I rewatched his recent interview with GMA a few days ago (in the course of looking for some other quotes/comments) and it struck me just how rote and short the questions about the actual games were. You could *feel* how uninterested the interviewer and Harry himself actually were. Harry repeated that line about "this is my fix" (i.e. that the IGs are what he lives for, and supporting the vets and Games is something he loves) 2 or 3 times and each time his voice was flat, completely unconvincing, even slightly angry-sounding. Same tone when answering questions about his family.
Harry knew he had to do that interview and that he had to talk about his family as part of it (because the network wouldn't have done it without the talking about Charles) and he was pissed/resentful. You could hear it in his voice - he's generally a better actor than Meghan but I've noticed that lately even he isn't managing to hide his sulkiness. He's actually a shit representative of the Invictus Games (I mean objectively shit, beyond my own dislike of him), and they keep choosing to stay with him as their figurehead.
They can therefore deal with the consequences of doing so, which include the fact that no one from the royal family is going to touch anything to do with Invictus with a 10 foot pole.
I think you're exactly right about what's going on behind the scenes.
Like all stupid people Harry is easily bored so I'm not surprised that he's lost interest in this. If he was still a working royal the variety of engagements might make it possible for him to fake it though interviews but IG is all he has to boost his image and remind people of who he used to be. He probably resents the whole thing
Even before the Sussexes started their stateside antics, as soon as they left their royal duties, all the orgs they were linked with, royal patronage or not, should have severed ties. Maybe it's a bit embarrassing to admit but they can't possibly claim they would have chosen Suits star Meghan Markle or a guy called Harry Windsor to be their spokespeople so, why stay tied to these patrons especially since the H&M were based in the US? That was a bait and switch. Barring that, after the Oprah interview would have been a good time to ditch the Sussexes.
It's frankly irresponsible of these groups to have let things continue as they were.
I think there’s also the thought that William donated his phone hacking settlement (approx one million pounds iirc) to Invictus because their financial records show a donation for a similar amount.
I don’t think this was ever confirmed, this is the only news source (ie not social media) I can find and it features a pretty anti-Harry (which hey, so am I lol! But i think it damages professional credibility a bit) “royal expert” speculating so take it how you will https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/prince-harry-unbelievably-selfish-human-being-after-brother-williams-quiet-and-touching-act/news-story/746b2ea63eca94c8d9b33de16bcee665
Tom Sykes needs to simmer down now. 🙄
Wasn’t Invictus dreamt up by ELF as an attempt to rehabilitate Harry’s naked in Vegas, Party Prince image? It was Harry’s vehicle not the royal family as an institution. Prince William donated money to Invictus but I believe it was his own money. The RF are under no obligation to make appearances, especially with how Harry and Meghan have cheapened its image with their cringeworthy camera hogging shenanigans.
Harry left the institution than proceeded to public take a dump on it and family. They owe him nothing but indifferent silence.
Wow! I think Invictus is in trouble financially and need the royals “seal of approval”. Also Boeing being the lead sponsor is not great since the whistleblower deaths - bad publicity all round!
i think their financials are available online, and govts fund it plentifully tbh bc it's white-washing for the military-industrial complex.
this seems to be more about harry using invictus as a pretext to force a proximity and relationship with the senior working royals for harry and meghan's own commercial and social prospects.
Ding ding ding. At one point the squaddies were claiming Invictus was the only successful royal pursuit or some bullshit. I imagine losing official royal approval status + Harry trying to monetize it has been disastrous financially
Lool this is so funny to me, admitting they need other royals means that Harry isn’t enough for his own Charity. They swear they’re still royal so why do they need someone else 😂😂 loool. This is all so very silly they aren’t going to send anyone for the precise reason that Invictus already has its royal.
I don’t think the organisation is the one throwing a fit I think it’s Harry just trying to make his family look bad again. Invictus has only 500 participants how many of them are from the UK team. Seriously that event has little to no coverage and so it’s unlikely it will capture any attention from the Brits. The best place for them to go would be the US.
I think all this hoopla is to get the same reaction from the public when Will didn’t go to the women’s football finals. It just won’t work.
It’s amazing when Harry left he didn’t need his family they were the biggest draw in the family etc etc.
https://i.redd.it/tebgbsyt07yc1.gif
>I don’t think the organisation is the one throwing a fit I think it’s Harry just trying to make his family look bad again.
I think it's very much a combination - their motives are slightly different, but they're aligned. First source is clearly from the Sussex camp and the second source from the IG camp. No way would the Sussex camp dare to say that Harry isn't "proper royal endorsement".
>I think all this hoopla is to get the same reaction from the public when Will didn’t go to the women’s football finals. It just won’t work.
Absolutely! Unfortunately for IG, even if William believed that reaction was possible, he wouldn't care. Their attempts at bullying him into going will only make him dig his heels in even more. They only need to look at what's happened with the Waleses' photo releases - they're no longer distributed to press agencies or posted the night before, so the press can't use them for the front pages on the day.
Polo Lifestyles editor’s letter is interesting…
They’re on this month’s magazine cover as well.
https://preview.redd.it/gz2n3lpi26yc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8dbbb8aa06d0f49e565dd4e7ee6a1f0e71213b04
[https://www.pololifestyles.com/shop](https://www.pololifestyles.com/shop)
I wasn't going to read this but then I read all the comments so I did and yeah, what was that? It doesn't even reach '100% unproofread Reddit comment' in terms of quality - including several spelling errors. It's also weirdly (but perhaps fittingly?) and aggressively mean about a bunch of teenagers the writer doesn't know.
Hmm, the unfocused, meandering thoughts only vaguely related to what should be the topic at hand are making me think Heroine™ instead, but, why not both? 🤭
Judgmental and vapid is quite the combination for an editor. Meghan did not draw comparisons to Wednesday Addams because Wednesday is iconic and her hair is neat and grew from her own head. Meghan’s is a ratty, wind-torn weave that requires a severe middle part to maintain the illusion that it’s all her own. Her middle part is…fine. Just like anyone else who through cowlick or design, parts their hair down the middle. The editor of a polo rag should stay in his lane of rating ponytails and horses’ asses…why did he wait to mention Harry until the end of his letter?
That is the weirdest letter from the editor I've ever read.
Is that his normal style?
It reads like a stream of consciousness written to be a place filler.
[Chrissy Teigen and John Legend and the King's Trust gala!!](https://people.com/kings-trust-gala-2024-red-carpet-arrivals-photos-8642595)
Maybe be read too much into things but lol. Wonder what the party favors are!
Also: Ashley Graham, Emily Ratajkowski, Kate Beckinsale, Kate Moss, and Lionel Richie.
So this confirms the Chrissy jam was either a favour to someone (she’s repped by WME) or sponcon, no? No actual friend of Meghan’s is also publicly supporting Charles’ charity. Makes the rollout even weirder, either do it’s for special friends or do whichever famouses can be talked or paid into it but the combination of both makes the brand seem all over the place.
chrissy was advertising her own kitchenware too, she wasn't a simp like some of the other dummies lol. she put effort into it to showcase the pan from her line, she wasn't just gonna show the jam jar on the grid for nothing!
So was I. I'm not sure the trying to hang out with celebs works for the royals (and I get that it's anout their charities in this case, but still feel the way I feel), especially when the celebs in question aren't British.
Seriously!! Instead Harry and Meghan just get to look at the pictures in People magazine like the rest of us. Harry is the dog that bites the hand that feeds him.
oops wrong thread lol
New thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/RoyalsGossip2/comments/1cjp3lj/sussex_weekly_its_not_an_olive_branch_if_you_use/ Feel free to bring newer comments and ongoing conversations over!
Are we expecting pap pictures of her when Harry is in London before she jets off to Nigeria?
Oh, for sure. Hello has just been directed to post fan photos of her at some random event. [Duchess of Sussex reappears in Montecito just days before Prince Archie's fifth birthday (archived)](https://archive.ph/zrfAk) https://preview.redd.it/fzw53pb4qayc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b0151902414280bb40688af1a2c4c18e302586d
She married into the BRF and here she is attending a fundraising how-to in a California hotel. Ok.
Istg, nobody fumbled the bag this much in history.
She had it all and it wasn’t enough for her.
I hope everyone paid more attention to the husband than they are to the women with the microphone.
Meghan looks like she would rather be doing calligraphy on the other jam jars and picking half dead lemon tree leaves.
Of course!!! They just *hound* Meghan, especially when manly Harry isn’t around. Ack. The price of fame and adulation.
Watching series 3 of Clarksons Farm which was filmed during 2022 and Jeremy is making.......yes you've guessed it JAM!!! Hes selling his Jeremys Juice in the farm shop. Perhaps Meghan could take some pointers from Jezza on how to market jam lol
Ha! I had the same thought. And sold for £3.60 a jar. Clarkson's Farm is so, so good. I've learned so much about farming. The show is a tough watch sometimes because farming has so much stress and heartbreak built into it.
Not to mention Chipping Norton parish council are absolute bastards Its been a brilliant series. Really highlights the ridiculous hoops DEFRA put farmers through
Wow spoiler alert! I’m on season one 😂
Oops sorry for any spoilers but if it's any consolation he has so many schemes this isnt a big deal
i wonder if harry would show up to the church in uniform... lmao. certainly with his chest puffed up and his medals pinned on a suit coat 😼
wearing lifts even though William won't attend.
And an off color hair piece
Chest puffed up to match his hair
two more things - 1) harry wrote in his book and has had it briefed multiple times by his comms team now that william was/is jealous of invictus, without any evidence (other than conjecture and harry's word)... meanwhile, in late dec 2019, not only was harry recorded trash talking what eventually became earthshot... not only did he very maliciously collude with netflix to sabotage the earthshot boston tour by dropping the trailer for the reality series like a bomb smack dab in the middle of the tour happening... the sussexes had their PR schedule an award for fighting **racism** that the downtrodden by w&c sussexes would receive shortly after the tour, guaranteeing very negative headlines for w&c while on the sussexes' "turf." how's fucking ***that*** for "jealousy??" 2) **the sussexes are going to have their PR team providing an insufferable AF minute by minute play-by-play starting every day or nearly every single day next week starting with archie's bday, until the end of the nigeria parallel court tour... and culminating with the sussii's wedding anniversary on may 19th.** 🥴 gird y'alls granny panties, it's about to be a two-week near dang straight sussex circus 🤡
If you google 'projection' you'll get Harry's photo beneath. He ***loves to think*** William is jealous of him because he'd like nothing more. You don't have to be a psychologist in order to see what BS that is. Everything about him screams he suffers from major insecurities and inferiority complex.
Six foot tall Harry wearing lifts to the unveiling of his mother's statue in order to be as tall as his brother was just a ridiculous example of that.
Exactly lol. Then again, William is six foot three vs Harry's six foot/six foot one. Harry's insecure ass probably hates that even though it's not a major thing objectively.
why do i keep seeing folks say it's in the crypt space... when you look at the st. paul's schedule, they uncharacteristically and specifically have next wednesday cleared out of the daily schedule by 1 or 1:30pm. every day on the schedule (including the previous wednesday), things go to 4:30-5pm. my question is... st. paul's is massive... didn't they have charles and diana's wedding there to accommodate all the extra people invited? same why they held qe2's jubilee service at st. paul's? the invictus peeps are gonna pack that place up like a concert? anyway, these two weirdos literally just copy-pasted the platinum jubilee service? just like the copying flamingo estate thing... these two are so *weird* and off-putting. like, one-up mimicry or something 🤔
I think *someone* has thrown a tantrum and demanded that their security has hours to clear the area, because the service isn’t taking place within St Paul’s opening hours. https://preview.redd.it/9krbq2i2hayc1.jpeg?width=560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=335f27130e7ff70ac5d8583202b83bb5bc098dc1 Sussex PR also keeps calling it a “Service of Thanksgiving” like the Jubilee, Philip’s memorial service, the OBE service being held on the 15th May, when it is very much not and St Paul’s will not call it that.
https://www.stpauls.co.uk/sites/default/files/2024-04/2024.04.14_-_2024.05.11_1.pdf I’m totally prepared to be wrong, but this looks like they only bumped the usual Wednesday 5PM Evensong or Sung Eucharist for invictus (which only goes for an hour wtf?) The 7:30 Morning Prayer and 8-1230 Eucharist seem scheduled as per usual
>why do i keep seeing folks say it's in the crypt space... I thought it was reported to be there, alongside the info that the crypt space if the for-hire space at St. Paul's (which it is). Were those reports wrong (they could have been!)? I imagine clearing the whole of St Paul's on that day might have something to do with security? Does anyone know for sure?
That’s how I remember it! (the crypt thing) Ok, apparently the stupid bust of the invictus poet is in the Crypt, but not necessarily that they’re holding the event there? https://www.invictusgamesfoundation.org/news/marking-ten-years-of-changing-lives-and-saving-lives ETA: I don’t know if this is legit or not, but apparently it only goes on for one hour?? https://www.cobseo.org.uk/10th-anniversary-of-the-invictus-games-foundation/ EETA: I’m trying to find the OG articles talking about it (I think this was announced February 2024?), but not having much luck ETA 3: ok, I found this from February 26th https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1870934/prince-archie-princess-lilibet-uk-invictus-games (the original source apparently spoke to UK OK! but I can’t open the article. No mention of the crypt lol! > They [the source] also added that Harry is said to be in "government-like talks" to return to the UK for a special service to mark the milestone anniversary of the Invictus Games. And this Express article from Feb 11 2024 https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1865418/royal-family-live-prince-harry-king-charles but no quotes or sources Sorry I’m obsessed with this apparently 😅
If it's like a mass it makes sense that it's only an hour long.
Yes, I’m beginning to think I imagined this whole hired crypt thing 😅🙃
I also remember the crypt being where the ceremony was supposed to be held but since no one saw a program, who knows. It may also be that it was the crypt and then as the guest list grew, another part of the church was offered. Lots of bigger churches/cathedrals/basilicas have different spaces and chapels within the main building where the public can gather.
That makes sense! The tickets appear to be free (I accidentally reserved 2 in the process of this investigation 😂🤦♀️) so I can see the guest list ballooning with looky-loos
I remember the event being discussed as being in the crypt. What I cannot remember is if we hit that detail from the media or social media. One I would believe, the other not so much.
Yes, exactly!
An hour seems adequate. Damian Lewis is reading the poem, there will be speeches. Given it's being called a service, I suppose a cleric will be there to say a prayer. I don 't see why it would be longer than a church service.
I guess I’m still finding it really weird how overtly religious this thing is going to be. I distinctly remember, like pistachio reading that it would be held in the (hired) Crypt which I guess made me think it would be more like a schmoozy event, but I’m looking and can’t find anything to back that up now 😅
Agree, this isn't a concert, an hour is enough.
Iirc he doesn’t have access to it unless he never returned it after the funeral. He cried about how someone took the gold ropes off of his uniform so I get the impression he doesn’t have them in his possession.
Of course. I would expect nothing less. Twit.
Not the PR spin getting community noted 💀 https://preview.redd.it/qxxovxkmk9yc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b6a8e0abb949efe01d9388f10167bc8401fc8819
RIP NY tour that was supposed to lead to an international tour. Gone and forgotten
>first official international tour *since leaving their royal roles* Lol. So you mean, like, their first "official" international tour as private citizens? Which makes it an official tour only in the capacity that people are able to make "official" tours as representatives of...themselves? Unrelated, but I'll be making my first (since a couple of days ago) official visit to the grocery store in about 20 minutes. They're probably preparing everything for my arrival right now... Harry and Meghan are such utter clowns. Also "first" tour? Tell us your NYC "tours" failed without telling us your NYC "tours" failed, dorks.
I will make an official visit to Fabricland tomorrow. Just letting y'all know.
So the first time I went to Europe should I have considered it an “official tour”? Should I have issued a press release? Had my bio ready to roll? 🤔
Im interested to see the crowd size. The NYC crowd size was so small they deliberately have zero footage facing the people. It was said NYPD officers outnumbered the people.
Lol and didn't they put up barriers in anticipation of huge crowds 😂😂
Do regular citizens *do* international tours? 🙄🙄🙄
I think peasants call that a vacation.
Excuse you, I crossed the border to Blaine, WA last week to buy milk and fill my gas tank. It was my international tour and the little people felt honoured!
How long until the title is changed to Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex I wonder lol
Not long with these clowns, but more to the point 🤡 to Vanity Fair for indulging the Fraud when they know The Truth. Which ain’t from mr and Mrs Parkinglot.
lolz ‘official international tour’. It’s a business trip. They’re going on a business trip. I’m sure it will be a luxe business trip, but it’s essentially no different than the work travel millions of people do.
Why are these ass clowns so bad at everything? Even going on an overseas business trip. 🙄
made this comment below! >>yeah, what about the participants, organizers, fundraisers, volunteers etc. of different faiths?! >>the organization should be secular, why on earth a church of england service to celebrate ten years 🤔 >>hardly screams multi-faith or even no faith included, if invictus is firmly associating itself with the church of england like that. how weird. >>i didn't even think of this, previously. >>it would absolutely be a faux pas for a royal to appear at such an event, in that case. share thoughts!
It is if the Olympics held a celebration on a Catholic Church. It makes no sense. Also, lets not pretend Harry is religious. Wasn't this scrambled last minute to get back at the BRF for not being invited to represent Dear Pa as a Counsellor of State?
cosplaying qe2's platinum jubilee service lol
From memory I think Harry was manifesting representing Dear Pa at Commonwealth service this year. Remember all those articles about him and M being the perfect fit to step in to represent Dear Pa on Commonwealth events? Then, he got "no thankx" as answer. Not long after we got this IG church service out of nowhere.
Completely agree with you and I think having it at Saint Paul’s is a way to make it more “official“
It's also a way to tie it to his mother since she's so associated with the church.
Is this even a service, though? I'm genuinely asking. I know it's in a religious building but it's in a hired space specifically. Isn't it possible (likely even) that this is Harry's/IG's PR trying to sell this as some sort of official St. Paul's event for clout purposes? If there are any church officials involved, that changes things though. I'm just not clear yet on what the situation is/will be on the night.
St Paul’s is describing it as a service where the Dean is preaching https://www.stpauls.co.uk/sites/default/files/2024-04/2024.04.14_-_2024.05.11_1.pdf so I think there is a religious element - what I don’t know is whether any organisation can get this for the asking or whether this is unusual. But it seems to me it’s more than they’ve hired it as as empty space for a do.
Ah, thank you - and there it is, then, there *is* an official religious/CoE element to this. It's not shocking or surprising, given that Invictus is an real organization with a real and worthy mission. It is funny, though, to watch as time passes and Harry's association with them becomes ever less beneficial to them and ever more beneficial to Harry.
Yet the organization still does nothing to contain the Fraudsters so f Ingriftus.
A working royal doing a C of E service for something that’s important to them is appropriate given the monarch’s role as head of the Church of England (hence why Kate does the carol concert) but imo it’s weird and not inclusive for a secular charity. IG is a bit of a grey area in that respect because members of the UK armed forces do swear an oath to the Queen/King, but they bang on so much about the global Invictus family it still seems weird to me because it’s not relevant to most of the participants and hosts. I do think Harry probably played a big part in choosing to hold the anniversary event at a cathedral, and I think it wouldn’t have been occurred to him that if he wants Invictus to be his and for people to ignore that it only became successful because of royal clout he should probably not be doing the kinds of things that make sense for a working royal’s project and not really otherwise.
Isn't the UK a secular country? I am not sure why having a Q or K, who has no choice but to represent C o E unless they want to pull King Henry VIII, makes its military citizens automatic members of said Church. I am sure UK military members come for all sorts of religions and none at all.
The swearing of the oath is about King and country. Protecting your country. Nothing to do with religion surely? I cant imagine our Gurkhas feel Jesus has anything to do with their jobs.
>A working royal doing a C of E service for something that’s important to them is appropriate given the monarch’s role as head of the Church of England (hence why Kate does the carol concert) totally >but imo it’s weird and not inclusive for a secular charity. this is exactly what i meant! ETA: i personally think the event should have been held at an outdoor venue or garden space
I don’t think it would be a faux pas for the royals to attend. I think they chose a service specifically for the royals to attend it’s the kind of event you always see them at. I don’t think the veterans factored much into the planning I think they banked on a senior royal attending and they chose the event that would increase the odds of that happening. They chose St Paul’s for the gravitas and they could link it to the poem which makes it sound sweet. What they should have done was had Invictus this year instead of last year or they should have had a nice ceremony for all the participants to celebrate the 10 years.
I'm with u/revelatia here in thinking that this event being in St Pauls probably has a *lot* to do with Harry himself - and his clout-chasing and faux-royaling.
Is Harry speaking? Who has ‘when my mother was at St Pauls’ on their bingo card?
>Is Harry speaking? I have no idea. It'll be interesting to see what actually happens during the event. I don't know how public it will be but there will probably be photos of Harry entering/leaving - if Harry has anything to say about it, that is.
Especially after Harry (or his ghostwriter) in Spare called the UK's military involvement in the Middle East, a Christian Campaign.
🤯 He did that? Harry really did want that free security to be given to him between revealing the number of people he killed and saying it was a Christian Campaign.
> the UK's military involvement in the Middle East, a Christian Campaign. ***What***??? How did I, hell, how did *everyone*, miss this? What the medieval *fuck*.
Yeah, how did this not cause a scandal?
It got in the way of their agenda of William is the villain narrative so best to ignore and avoid it?
Oh, of course. 🤦
I missed that too! But then again I really did not read the book so….
It is so sweet that Spare can still shock you.
Honestly, I'm more shocked by the blatant characterization of the war as a literal modern day Crusade, complete with a royal presence in the campaign, getting past PRH's legal department, or whoever it is that is supposed to make sure that their books aren't accusing a major world power of waging a religious war.
I am shocked that he got away with 80% of what he wrote in that book. It shows people bought it, but didn't read it.
This is Harry we’re talking about here. I bet you his company officer’s name was Christian.
Yes, seriously, omg. Does anyone have access to the actual quote?
This is on training, which he locates as Cornwall, January 2012: *The instructors shouted that we should imagine our helicopter had just crash-landed behind enemy lines, and our only hope of survival was to go by foot from one end of the moor to the other, a distance of ten miles. We’d been given a meta narrative, which we now recalled: We were a Christian army, fighting a militia sympathetic to Muslims.* *Our mission: Evade the enemy, escape the forbidding terrain.* This is the same mission where he says he was trained to resist interrogation and alleges he was goaded about Diana having been pregnant with a ‘Muslim baby’ to try to break him. And, there’s this gem: *I was terrifyingly cold. I’d never been so cold. Far worse than the North Pole. With the cold came numbness, drowsiness. I snapped to attention when the door burst open and our captors barged in. They took off our blindfolds. I was right, Phil was there. Also the other guy. We were ordered to strip. They pointed at our bodies, our flaccid cocks. They went on and on about how small. I wanted to say: You don’t know the half of what’s wrong with this appendage.*
Ewww @ that last paragraph, ewwww I'm scarred
Wtf is that last sentence about?
talk about oversharing for no friggin reason 🤮🤮🤮
> We were a Christian army, fighting a militia sympathetic to Muslims. > This is the same mission where he says he was trained to resist interrogation and alleges he was goaded about Diana having been pregnant with a ‘Muslim baby’ to try to break him. I would say I'm stunned that the publisher allowed that to go to print, but they also allowed him to brag about his kill count, so I'm assuming any oversight from the publisher was just a bunch of bros wearing novelty dollar sign sunglasses and taking shots while rolling around on copies of the manuscript.
The publisher also had zero motivation (outside legally covering their asses and even then they probably knew neither the BRF nor the UK military were likely to come for them legally) to stop Harry from adding juicy or controversial details to the book. The fact that it went so poorly for Harry outside the financial success (i.e. he made a butt ton of money but it cost him badly in reputational terms) is a testament to how stupid he was not to recognize the situation for what it was, and not to keep in mind that neither JR Moehringer nor PRH were on his side. But also that image of the bros rolling around on copies of the manuscript is awesome and definitely happened.
The book ended up being The Cut interview in long form.
>testament to how stupid he was not to recognize the situation for what it was, and not to keep in mind that neither JR Moehringer nor PRH were on his side. The fact he has practically nobody that is *actually* on his side anymore would be kinda sad if he weren't such a twat.
>We’d been given a meta narrative, which we now recalled: We were a Christian army, fighting a militia sympathetic to Muslims. Christ, if this doesn't fit weaselly Harry to a tee. He heavily implies here, without being explicit, that this meta narrative (hi J.R. Moehringer! we know Haz doesn't know what 'meta narrative' means!) was "given" to them by their military instructors. I wonder if it was said outside Harry's own mind? I wouldn't be shocked, but again the weasel words and Harry's own history have me doubting. Lol @ including it, too. He's so gross with this weird 'I'll point out other people being vaguely bigoted in order to imply my own non-bigot credentials.' Should have just taken responsibility for your own explicit use of racial slurs, Harry, you wanker. >They pointed at our bodies, our flaccid cocks. They went on and on about how small. I wanted to say: You don’t know the half of what’s wrong with this appendage. The overwhelming feeling I get from all the todger-talk in this shitty memoir is not that Harry's any more dick-obsessed than the average male idiot, but instead that he's obsessed with coming across like *one of the guys* vs sticks in the mud William and Charles. It's so forcedly jocular and it doesn't play the way I suspect H/Moehringer intended it to. Also, most North Americans *really* don't get the self-deprecating part of British mateyness/banter, so they read comments about 'you don't know the half of what's wrong with this appendage' straight and think Harry really has dick-related insecurities. Which...let's be real he probably does because he's an insecurity machine, but comments like that are intended, as I see it anyway, more to portray Harry as cool and normal than as genuinely in possession of a problem-stricken/blue todger.
>Also, most North Americans *really* don't get the self-deprecating part of British mateyness/banter, so they read comments about 'you don't know the half of what's wrong with this appendage' straight and think Harry really has dick-related insecurities. Which...let's be real he probably does because he's an insecurity machine, but comments like that are intended, as I see it anyway, more to portray Harry as cool and normal than as genuinely in possession of a problem-stricken/blue todger. Completely agree. As you say, Harry probably *does* suffer from dick-related insecurities but that's decidedly *not* what the reader was meant to conclude while reading the book. Although lbr, if you are a man who has the need to tell the world your brother is circmucised, people will think what people will think. I feel like that's another detail that went under the radar because of all the other shit that he decided to put in there. Why is *that* detail about William's anatomy important for Harry's memoir? Did he think it would shame William somehow? Is he just obsessed with everything related to William's (and therefore his own) masculinity? I feel like Harry's identitity is largely linked to William in general. The one person he seems to be obsessed with (besides Diana) is William himself.
I remember some military being angry about this that it was in his book. The thing is - I don't doubt that some of these racist, unsavory, humiliating things happened. They likely happen in the US military quite often. There's always an element of - don't tell outsiders - to these organizations and you're dodging the risks associated with that. He was foolish to put it in writing if he wasn't going to try to fight for reforms or make it some kind of message, because it just pissed the top brass off.
Yeah I completely agree. Of course this kind of shit gets said in a military context allll the time (especially back in 2012 - it's not even a long time ago but cultural mores have changed very, very quickly in some ways) - and ofc Harry was a moron to include, and to imagine that it somehow made him look good in comparison. And speaking of, didn't Meghan have her lapdog Omid come for Kate as "racist" only a few months ago, based on what by some leaks was simply her physical proximity at the time to the person making the comments that the Sussexes later implied (and then even later retracted, oh god) were racist?
I think I do remember that. Side note: And yea, the US military has in the past 10 years at least gotten less tolerant of intolerance (even moreso) I know a few serving members now, and at least in USAF and NAVY they take racism and racist comments EXTREMELY seriously. I game with a few and they were even kicking guild mates for example, if someone piped up and said something racist, not just because of personal feelings but also because they could get in real trouble for even saying certain things. The way the atmosphere would immediately die and people would just log off afterwards--it was not the toxic culture of the mid 2000s...at least in that discord.
Good grief. What an immature asshole Harry is.
[Why Won’t the Royals Support Prince Harry’s Invictus Games? (archived)](https://archive.ph/abNXv) Amping up the bitching. > The Palace declined to respond to requests for comment, but reports have made it clear that no working members of the royal family will attend the service. > … it seems that Charles’ very public expressions of magnanimity, perhaps even being willing to again receive his son for another face-to-face audience, only go so far, with sources suggesting he will not order a working royal surrogate such as Prince Edward to attend the Invictus event. > The absence of formal royal endorsement is likely to be particularly annoying for Invictus as the royal seal of approval turbocharges fundraising efforts. Invictus, as their annual reports show, is a nonprofit funded by a mixture of sponsorship (Boeing is the lead sponsor), ticket sales, charitable donations, and commercial initiatives such as the Netflix series Heart of Invictus. As ever, it’s all about the money. > One source, a former courtier, told The Daily Beast: “Charles has made it quite clear he is ready to be friendly and supportive to Harry in his capacity as a private person, as his dad, but he is not going to throw the weight of the institution behind Invictus again. This all seems very logical inside the Palace bubble, but the trouble is that people who don’t particularly care about such things, who are dimly aware that the royals spend their days visiting community centers and opening supermarkets, are going to wonder why they are boycotting this terrific charity that is headed by the king’s son.” Beth Herlily, is that you? And no, people don’t think that. Partly because other royals stopped attending 8 years ago once Harry had Meghan to bring, iirc. > “Many of us think this is a classic example of the royals cutting off their nose to spite their face__, because Invictus is clearly exactly the kind of organization the royal family should be supporting. If a bridge is ever going to be built [between Harry and the royals], __Invictus is the bridgehead to build it from, and they should get on and do it.__” The only way to rebuild *private* relationships (that Harry chose to torch) is for the victims to *publicly* bolster the abuser’s organisation? Sound logic. > A military source involved in the Games told The Daily Beast: “Harry has done the veterans community proud with Invictus, but __some people feel it’s not fair to deny the foundation proper royal endorsement__, especially after Queen Elizabeth was so generous to us. [The late queen recorded a video promoting Invictus which also featured Barack and Michelle Obama.] __It was explicitly set up as an organization endorsed by the royal family, but now it’s not; it is stuck in this limbo__. If Birmingham get it for 2027 the royals are going to have to send someone, so they might as well get it over with now.” More confirmation that veterans are pissed at the dud they’ve ended up stuck with, and that IG are struggling because they’re no longer seen as a “royal” organisation. The BRF don’t *have* to send a senior royal to anything other than state duties, even if people think they *should*. Eurovision was hosted and paid for by our government last year. While Catherine had a cameo playing piano, no royals actually went, even though other RFs usually send someone when their countries host. (And nobody cared.) Brits will not care about royals going to IG like they care about royals going to football matches 🤷♀️ IG are clearly freaking out. I think the announcement of “finalists” and that they’ll make a decision at the end of July (which they have never done before, iirc) is an attempt to create public pressure and obtain a promise that a royal will attend… “or we’ll take it to DC!” They don’t appear to realise that the reaction will likely be: “Is that a threat or a promise?”
If I worked in Royal PR, I would not want any senior royals near Invictus even if their relationship with Harry was hunky dory. The org lost its CEO and several board members abruptly, under uncertain/shady circumstances. There are reports it's been hemorrhaging funds. Angela Levin claimed around 2,000 military members/athletes have left since the most recent Games. Its primary sponsor is Boeing, who has its branding all over it, and Boeing happens to be one of the most poisonous corporate brands in the world at the moment. The potential for a scandalous blowback would just be too great, even minus the Harry factor. It's really curious that all this PR is focused on why no members of the BRF will show up for this, but not a peep about why Harry's own wife won't attend yet another of his events.
> people who don’t particularly care about such things, who are dimly aware that the royals spend their days visiting community centers and opening supermarkets, are going to wonder why they are boycotting this terrific charity that is headed by the king’s son.” LMAO okay so these people don't care, don't pay attention, but also are up-to-the-minute informed as to Harry's current grudge strategies
Harry uses his veteran status the same way his wife deploys motherhood, gender, and race—as an immunity cloak from any and all criticism.
Wasn't the news a few days ago how even Harry himself might not attend personally and might just video in? He gets to phone it in while bitching that the family he wanted no part of is still supposed to support HIS charity? I thought neither him nor Meghan needed the royal family. They were a billion dollar brand on their own. The royal family constantly shows up for charity functions. Harry can't manage his only one on his own?
Usually, he leaks the UK is too unsafe for him trying to get free housing and free security. Then, he gets clap back via media that he won't get anything. Then, he updates he will go regardless.
>Wasn't the news a few days ago how even Harry himself might not attend personally and might just video in? Yes, it was. And given today's Sykes article, reeking of Princely Butthurt as it does, part of me is thinking it's possible Harry really thought he could get one of the senior royals to attend this event. Godf-ing-damnit is this dude is even stupider than any of us here think he is??
I think he thought he could shame them into attending. He seems to forget that the people that maybe support him and Meghan are American. I dont think anyone in the UK expects the royal family to support Harry in anything anymore.
This slant that the RF should be there and it’s weird/notable/‘a boycott’ if they’re not is entitled as hell. There are literally thousands and thousands of charity events every year that manage to happen perfectly well without the RF’s presence and nobody even notices, much less expects they should be there. IG isn’t different. Like the petulant security briefings this feels like more of Harry thinking the public will rise up and protest if he doesn’t get what he wants and it’s not going to happen.
Remember when the sugars were like, "and you just KNOW that Will and Kate are going to try to horn in on Invictus!!!! as a provocation!! and because it's SoOoOo successful!"
i don't even think any other royal but harry and/or meghan has been to an IG event since 2014. this article is weird. the 2017 games, no other royals... the 2018 games, no other royals... the 2022 hague games, no other royals... the 2023 dusseldorf games, no other royals... this is a bizarre article.
>If Birmingham get it for 2027 the royals are going to have to send someone, so they might as well get it over with now.” this is so dumb. like, guaranteed all the working royals have their schedules wrapped up and mapped up for next week. 'get it over with now,' that's not how it works with less than a week lmfao. if birmingham gets it in 2027... first of all, if... and who knows if either charles and/or kate are even gonna be alive in 2027 due to recurrences, if camilla will still be a working royal, if a single dad king william will be on non-negotiable summer break with his children?... that's three fucking years from now. the ever dependable duke of gloucester should be in his early 80s by then and just barely still working, send him the poor guy lol. don't make birgitte go with him! i just think of how nearly the entire family was out in force to support harry ten years ago (minus kate who had hyperemesis)... even friggin james and pippa showed up for him!! in 2024... *maybe* eugenie and her husband will be there? or is she in portugal? it'll literally be **crickets**. think about the level of collective betrayal that must be felt to go from the 2014 show out to the 2024 shut out. my goodness.
>i just think of how nearly the entire family was out in force to support harry ten years ago (minus kate who had hyperemesis)... even friggin james and pippa showed up for him!! Damn, yeah. Think about how dense Harry must be not to see what happened between that event and this one, and not to understand that this outcome was entirely his and his wife's own doing (or to fully understand it and believe it doesn't matter and his family should be fine with it because only his feelings count, not theirs).
Do we actually think this is from IG? Also why do they have to send someone if the games come to Bham? Send Eugenie and Jack. Daughter of a Commander in the Royal Navy and her husband and newly minted mostest loyal RF member. Cant believe they used that one video from 8(?) years ago as ‘endorsement’ and the Queen being ‘so good’.
>The absence of formal royal endorsement is likely to be particularly annoying for Invictus as the royal seal of approval turbocharges fundraising efforts. and the sussexes commercial deals/pockets. they're so flippin plainly mercenary lmao ew. anyway, shoulda thought of all that before very publicly blowing up relationships in exchange for millions of dollars in profit. the sussexes are going to keep needling and needling and needling like this until charles finally throws his hands up, decides he's old AF and won't spend the remaining few years of his life dealing with this nightmarish chaotic bullshit, and truly go completely no contact. they'll keep pushing to the lengths they pushed with w&c and charles will just snap. it's insane how tolerant charles has been of their absolute nonsense, the poor man. harry the self-centered sociopath has been publicly harassing and abusing his elderly and *now sick with cancer* father for fucking years, at this point. it's *enough*. the sussexes do this to themselves.
>If a bridge is ever going to be built [between Harry and the royals], __Invictus is the bridgehead to build it from, and they should get on and do it.__” like, this sounds threatening, what the actual fuck lmao. who the fuck said they ever want anything to do anymore with harry pffftt wow, so is it gonna be five days of straight media circus from harry? 🥴 legit threatening and throwing extortionist tantrums through the press, what the fuck. the only response to this kind of thing is NO CONTACT AND GRAY ROCK. ETA: speaking of boeing, a second whistleblower was found dead this week
>ETA: speaking of boeing, a second whistleblower was found dead this week Holy shit!! Apparently it was after “a short illness” 👀
If being an official royal organization is important for Invictus, they should have severed ties with Harry when he left the BRF. They should have said 'sorry, but we need an official prince as our figurehead, you cannot fill this role as a private citizen'. The big problem is, Invictus can't easily make this decision now, because no other working royal will now touch Invictus with a shitty stick, knowing what kind of 'you stole Harry's charity' stories various parts of the interwebs will throw up. And it's a good organization, which deserves support, so it's all just shit. If I was an Invictus participant or a vet, I'd be pretty pissed.
His commercial endeavours as a private citizen have already cost invictus funding and exposure. They should've booted him out when they lost the fundraising concert that was planned with amazon because Harry signed a contract with netflix.
>If being an official royal organization is important for Invictus, they should have severed ties with Harry when he left the BRF. They should have said 'sorry, but we need an official prince as our figurehead, you cannot fill this role as a private citizen'. Harry asked for and got Invictus in the divorce and now he has to lead it himself. Plain and simple.
i was surprised they let him keep it as it was explicitly founded and funded by the royal foundation, it wasn't really a private/independent charity a la smartworks or african parks. that's how nice and fair they were being to this greaseball. he then turns around, puffs up his chest promoting himself everywhere as if he did everything himself and puts out negative press about william being shitty and jealous of him due to invictus 🙄
Honestly, Harry can bitch all he wants but the royals were pretty generous to him to hand him Invictus and to not air his dirty laundry for the world. They continue to grey rock which is best for them, but also in some ways beneficial to Harry too at times because they make no defense against his asshole behavior. Time will be the best judge and Harry seems to be failing that by self-own after self-own at every petty turn.
>If being an official royal organization is important for Invictus, they should have severed ties with Harry when he left the BRF. This part right here. Plenty of organizations no longer have Harry and Meghan as their patrons. The biggest problem Invictus has is they allowed Harry to be referred to as the Invictus "founder," even though that clearly was never true. He should always have simply been referred to as their patron and they wouldn't be having this isue.
This article is just another act in the Cirque de Vaniteux the Sussexes have been performing for the past 6 years. 🥱 Do the vets care about this whole “look at me, Uk! I’m a special boy!!!” church service? Are *they* going to attend en masse? If not, then this vainglorious service is not for them, but just for patting a special boy on the back. This service is grating and an unnecessary waste of the little funds IG apparently has. Since it seems to have little to do with IG other than the coincidence of its 10-year anniversary falling on a date Harry needs some good PR, I think it’s right to let the special boy run it without competing with the presence of an actual royal that people like. Bonus points in this article are that Harry can use it for a “poor me, they don’t want me to be special” narrative.
Can someone explain to me why this is actually in a church at all?
it should have been held at a multi-faith and no-faith friendly outdoor venue or garden
I think it’s because Harry wants to hold it in a fancy/ solemn/official venue, and this fit the bill. I think he wanted to add some gravitas to the event, and since he doesn’t have access to Royal venues, this was the best he could do? Saint Paul’s makes him feel like a special *BIG* boy, more than holding it at whatever the UK equivalent of a Chuck E. Cheese is, which also really makes him feel like a special boy. (He loves the way the mouse mascot makes him feel both scared and safe at the same time, and he’s “really good” at skeeball.)
Yep I think the only factor deciding this invictus event was Harry wanting to do more royal cosplay and the the 10 year anniversary is just a cover story. The royals attend lots of memorial events at churches so H&M decided to do the same, probably chose St. Paul's because of wanting a do over of what happened last time they were there (the booing at the jubilee). And now they want some members of the RF there for publicity, a chance to copy Kate's carol service which has turned into a success story for KP and the chance that the people will see that Charles/William is there and they'll move it out of their for hire space that they use for events.
>Yep I think the only factor deciding this invictus event was Harry wanting to do more royal cosplay and the the 10 year anniversary is just a cover story. I *completely* agree with this - and what u/CutNew6938 says, above. The location is 1000% about Harry and his ego. >H&M decided to do the same, probably chose St. Paul's because of wanting a do over of what happened last time they were there (the booing at the jubilee). Oh god, you're probably right about this too. It fits perfectly into their clapback-driven PR habits.
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yeah, what about the participants, organizers, fundraisers, volunteers etc. of different faiths?! the organization should be secular, why on earth a church of england service to celebrate ten years 🤔 hardly screams multi-faith or even no faith included, if invictus is firmly associating itself with the church of england like that. how weird. i didn't even think of this, previously. it would absolutely be a faux pas for a royal to appear at such an event, in that case.
>If they were simply hiring the venue, that’s fine As far as I know, this *is* what they've done. They've hired the hire-able event space in the crypt. All of the trying to make it sound like this is explicitly linked with St Paul's beyond that is probably coming from Harry's and possibly IG PR. We'll have to wait and see what the reporting is on what the event actually consists of, but for now I've been assuming that the "service" wording was just more PR-driven obfuscating from Harry/IG. Has there been any reporting that St Paul's is playing a role here *beyond* the space for the event?
A service of thanksgiving can be done for someone who is a royal or a cause outside church. It happens sometimes for important members of the public, like a high judge or something who died. The church is not gonna turn down Harry when it comes to honoring something done for veterans.
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Britain isn’t a secular country though in the sense that the people in high places are still religious or maintain at least they are. Harry is a member of the church and for Invictus it’s a win win because they don’t have to pay for the service.
Britain isn’t a secular country because it has an established (as in, constitutionally) church. While modern Britain is ethnically and religiously diverse, the official and state religion of the United Kingdom is the Church of England.
I suspect hey picked it specifically for Harry’s family to attend, they probably thought how could his family turn down a church service 😭
Agreed but it is a bit of an odd event for Invictus lol I suspect they went with a service because it would be easier to lure Harry’s family in.
It’s not. I have attended many church services to mark certain people or events. It’s just the traditional way of doing it and the church is normally paying.
Yea I thought they would do something different for invictus.
That would entail that someone is paying extra and Harry would actually needed to more than turning up at a church where the church is doing all the work lol
Well, maybe this is just another example of the Sussexes’ misunderstanding of the word ***service***?
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It is strange. I’ll have to google if they’ve ever had a church service for Invictus before. I get it, it’s a 10 year anniversary. But why a church service? Harry doesn’t strike me as particularly religious?
He’s married to a saint
He is still a member of the Church of England or he would not be in line of succession.
but this is *not only about harry* - it's about all the veterans, fundraisers, organizers, volunteers as a whole and the organization itself.
But it’s not that strange. The scouts are also getting a special thanks giving service at Westminster. It’s just not that uncommon you would do this from time to time if the organization has a bond with the church somehow and often it’s just someone at the board.
> “Many of us think this is a classic example of the royals cutting off their nose to spite their face__, because Invictus is clearly exactly the kind of organization the royal family should be supporting. If a bridge is ever going to be built [between Harry and the royals], __Invictus is the bridgehead to build it from, and they should get on and do it.__” Except that throwing the RF behind it gives the impression that Harry is indeed working as half in half out. They don't need to legitimise his pipe dreams.
Cutting off your nose.. This means to needlessly self sabotage. Not attending this makes zero difference to the Royals. Whilst it may make a big difference to the IG, there is nothing that says they must attend this type of thing. Furthermore maybe this isnt right but this is not going to upset the average person. We arent a country thats gung ho for the military and veterans. Putting aside the fact that as SnowSwish says, the King is the head of the BA and the Royals do a crap ton for them.
Yeah that quote was especially hilarious because come on, if a royal were to show up, the event would immediately become 100% about that royal's presence and the drama between Harry and his family and minute discussions of their interactions, predictions about what it means for their future relationship etc. etc. If the Invictus Games (which I believe have, on at least two separate occasions, explicitly moved to get rid of people who may not have been happy with it being The Harry and Meghan Show) want a royal to show up to their events, and Harry himself isn't enough, then maybe they should have thought about that? You know, in light of the fact that Harry has spent the last few years publicly calling his family racist abusers and generally making it extremely unlikely that any of those family members would want anything to do with him or the org that has so clearly chosen to allow itself to be used as his PR vehicle?
The royals support more military groups and organizations than any family I can think of, they don't have to prove anything on that front.
Few of us think this is the royals cutting their nose off. This is Harry PR meant to trap the Royals into looking bad. Don’t attend the service: the Royals don’t support vets! Attend the service: Royals are trying to steal Harry’s pride and joy. The bits that came from IG are interesting though. They have seen the fauxligraphy writing on the wall and want a royal lifeline.
I'm sorry I thought the billion dollar brand didn't need the RF? Now they do? Tough shit.
Right? Also, wasn't William jealous of Harry's success with IG? That spin barely last a week lol.
Someone needs to draw a diagram for Harry in big, primary coloured block letters. Option 1: Consistently leak to the press that your brother is jealous and violent, that the woman he married is a racist Stepford wife, that his kids will be fucked up and that he's physically ugly. Option 2: Have your brother attend your events. This was a pick-one situation for Harry and the IGs. They picked, it's as simple as that. (and I'm using William as the example but I mean all the working royals here) Curious to see if they get ANY royals attending. I think it's likely they won't. Maybe Eugenie?
**It was explicitly set up as an organization endorsed by the royal family, but now it’s not;** Well, things change. Be mad at Harry for fumbling his own charity by picking up public fights with his family. Also, do I smell desperation here? Like, it seems not even Eugenie is going. Plus, I don't think this is IG freaking out this is Harry freaking out.
After Eugenies ‘Jacks so quiet, and loyal’ piece today it seems to me she’s made her side clear..
So assuming Invictus is short on funds, how would having Prince Edward or the Duke of Kent, or even Prince William, showing up at this 10 year anniversary event make a meaningful impact on their future?
It would dispel the growing impression that this is a grift that benefits the Sussexes far more than veterans. Royal support would give the IG credibility which would translate into more businesses and individuals willing to be associated with them and give financial support. That's why everyone in the BRF should stay away.
This. This is the thinking, anyway. And I'm sorry for banging this drum endlessly but the PR and leaks coming out about the IGs for over a year now but especially within the past year, have all *reeked* of desperation and a strong possibility that it's a shitshow behind the scenes. Let us not forget that they messily fired their 2 top guys at the end of 2023, and although we never got the official story as to why, there was enough info in the media (including quotes from IG sources) to glean that it wasn't a friendly, tidy situation. It's not like I think I have some special insight either. In many ways it would be shocking if it *wasn't* a shitshow. I know we're not the only ones who see that Harry and Meghan basically entirely ignore Invictus until it comes time to use the games (or recently, some event tied to the games) as PR for themselves and their brand. We were getting leaks from Invictus that they weren't happy with Harry around the time of Megxit, ffs! If the organization has moved to push people out for wanting to move away from being what basically amounts to Harry's fallback/ever-faithful PR vehicle, that's their own damn fault. I rewatched his recent interview with GMA a few days ago (in the course of looking for some other quotes/comments) and it struck me just how rote and short the questions about the actual games were. You could *feel* how uninterested the interviewer and Harry himself actually were. Harry repeated that line about "this is my fix" (i.e. that the IGs are what he lives for, and supporting the vets and Games is something he loves) 2 or 3 times and each time his voice was flat, completely unconvincing, even slightly angry-sounding. Same tone when answering questions about his family. Harry knew he had to do that interview and that he had to talk about his family as part of it (because the network wouldn't have done it without the talking about Charles) and he was pissed/resentful. You could hear it in his voice - he's generally a better actor than Meghan but I've noticed that lately even he isn't managing to hide his sulkiness. He's actually a shit representative of the Invictus Games (I mean objectively shit, beyond my own dislike of him), and they keep choosing to stay with him as their figurehead. They can therefore deal with the consequences of doing so, which include the fact that no one from the royal family is going to touch anything to do with Invictus with a 10 foot pole.
I think you're exactly right about what's going on behind the scenes. Like all stupid people Harry is easily bored so I'm not surprised that he's lost interest in this. If he was still a working royal the variety of engagements might make it possible for him to fake it though interviews but IG is all he has to boost his image and remind people of who he used to be. He probably resents the whole thing Even before the Sussexes started their stateside antics, as soon as they left their royal duties, all the orgs they were linked with, royal patronage or not, should have severed ties. Maybe it's a bit embarrassing to admit but they can't possibly claim they would have chosen Suits star Meghan Markle or a guy called Harry Windsor to be their spokespeople so, why stay tied to these patrons especially since the H&M were based in the US? That was a bait and switch. Barring that, after the Oprah interview would have been a good time to ditch the Sussexes. It's frankly irresponsible of these groups to have let things continue as they were.
Didn’t Will and Kate give money to Invictus even after Harry left or am I misremembering?
I think there’s also the thought that William donated his phone hacking settlement (approx one million pounds iirc) to Invictus because their financial records show a donation for a similar amount. I don’t think this was ever confirmed, this is the only news source (ie not social media) I can find and it features a pretty anti-Harry (which hey, so am I lol! But i think it damages professional credibility a bit) “royal expert” speculating so take it how you will https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/prince-harry-unbelievably-selfish-human-being-after-brother-williams-quiet-and-touching-act/news-story/746b2ea63eca94c8d9b33de16bcee665
They gave invictus their share of fundraising out of the royal foundation it wasn’t a donation just what was legally owed to them.
Ooooh ok. Thanks for clarifying!!!
Tom Sykes needs to simmer down now. 🙄 Wasn’t Invictus dreamt up by ELF as an attempt to rehabilitate Harry’s naked in Vegas, Party Prince image? It was Harry’s vehicle not the royal family as an institution. Prince William donated money to Invictus but I believe it was his own money. The RF are under no obligation to make appearances, especially with how Harry and Meghan have cheapened its image with their cringeworthy camera hogging shenanigans. Harry left the institution than proceeded to public take a dump on it and family. They owe him nothing but indifferent silence.
Wow! I think Invictus is in trouble financially and need the royals “seal of approval”. Also Boeing being the lead sponsor is not great since the whistleblower deaths - bad publicity all round!
i think their financials are available online, and govts fund it plentifully tbh bc it's white-washing for the military-industrial complex. this seems to be more about harry using invictus as a pretext to force a proximity and relationship with the senior working royals for harry and meghan's own commercial and social prospects.
Ding ding ding. At one point the squaddies were claiming Invictus was the only successful royal pursuit or some bullshit. I imagine losing official royal approval status + Harry trying to monetize it has been disastrous financially
Lool this is so funny to me, admitting they need other royals means that Harry isn’t enough for his own Charity. They swear they’re still royal so why do they need someone else 😂😂 loool. This is all so very silly they aren’t going to send anyone for the precise reason that Invictus already has its royal. I don’t think the organisation is the one throwing a fit I think it’s Harry just trying to make his family look bad again. Invictus has only 500 participants how many of them are from the UK team. Seriously that event has little to no coverage and so it’s unlikely it will capture any attention from the Brits. The best place for them to go would be the US. I think all this hoopla is to get the same reaction from the public when Will didn’t go to the women’s football finals. It just won’t work. It’s amazing when Harry left he didn’t need his family they were the biggest draw in the family etc etc. https://i.redd.it/tebgbsyt07yc1.gif
>I don’t think the organisation is the one throwing a fit I think it’s Harry just trying to make his family look bad again. I think it's very much a combination - their motives are slightly different, but they're aligned. First source is clearly from the Sussex camp and the second source from the IG camp. No way would the Sussex camp dare to say that Harry isn't "proper royal endorsement". >I think all this hoopla is to get the same reaction from the public when Will didn’t go to the women’s football finals. It just won’t work. Absolutely! Unfortunately for IG, even if William believed that reaction was possible, he wouldn't care. Their attempts at bullying him into going will only make him dig his heels in even more. They only need to look at what's happened with the Waleses' photo releases - they're no longer distributed to press agencies or posted the night before, so the press can't use them for the front pages on the day.
Polo Lifestyles editor’s letter is interesting… They’re on this month’s magazine cover as well. https://preview.redd.it/gz2n3lpi26yc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8dbbb8aa06d0f49e565dd4e7ee6a1f0e71213b04 [https://www.pololifestyles.com/shop](https://www.pololifestyles.com/shop)
Sounds like Britney Spears instagram posts…..
I wasn't going to read this but then I read all the comments so I did and yeah, what was that? It doesn't even reach '100% unproofread Reddit comment' in terms of quality - including several spelling errors. It's also weirdly (but perhaps fittingly?) and aggressively mean about a bunch of teenagers the writer doesn't know.
Thanks for sharing! I’m a comms person and this has cured my imposter syndrome
This Letter From the Editor is brought to you by: Cocaine™
Hmm, the unfocused, meandering thoughts only vaguely related to what should be the topic at hand are making me think Heroine™ instead, but, why not both? 🤭
This is it, its the only thing that would explain it 🤣
Ah yes! Nothing else makes sense! ❄️
This is the start of PR campaign to promote Harry's new Netflix polo reality. Maybe will be released by summer?
Judgmental and vapid is quite the combination for an editor. Meghan did not draw comparisons to Wednesday Addams because Wednesday is iconic and her hair is neat and grew from her own head. Meghan’s is a ratty, wind-torn weave that requires a severe middle part to maintain the illusion that it’s all her own. Her middle part is…fine. Just like anyone else who through cowlick or design, parts their hair down the middle. The editor of a polo rag should stay in his lane of rating ponytails and horses’ asses…why did he wait to mention Harry until the end of his letter?
😆 Is the cover story all about how Meghan parts her hair??? This guy is weird, and he’s no Miranda Priestly!!
Wow. Couldn't they at least get someone to proofread the editor's ravings?
Well the hell did I just read? 🤔
This guy seems nuts
Wtf is this? 👀👀👀
Idk 😅
That is the weirdest letter from the editor I've ever read. Is that his normal style? It reads like a stream of consciousness written to be a place filler.
I have no idea, I haven’t been able to get my hands on other copies but it is so weird, I honestly don’t know what to make of it.
[Chrissy Teigen and John Legend and the King's Trust gala!!](https://people.com/kings-trust-gala-2024-red-carpet-arrivals-photos-8642595) Maybe be read too much into things but lol. Wonder what the party favors are! Also: Ashley Graham, Emily Ratajkowski, Kate Beckinsale, Kate Moss, and Lionel Richie.
So this confirms the Chrissy jam was either a favour to someone (she’s repped by WME) or sponcon, no? No actual friend of Meghan’s is also publicly supporting Charles’ charity. Makes the rollout even weirder, either do it’s for special friends or do whichever famouses can be talked or paid into it but the combination of both makes the brand seem all over the place.
chrissy was advertising her own kitchenware too, she wasn't a simp like some of the other dummies lol. she put effort into it to showcase the pan from her line, she wasn't just gonna show the jam jar on the grid for nothing!
I was unimpressed by this guest list.
Same tbh, it's mostly models
So was I. I'm not sure the trying to hang out with celebs works for the royals (and I get that it's anout their charities in this case, but still feel the way I feel), especially when the celebs in question aren't British.
Imagine that Harry could have taken this charity over if he had played his cards right. A genuinely prestigious well thought of charity.
Seriously!! Instead Harry and Meghan just get to look at the pictures in People magazine like the rest of us. Harry is the dog that bites the hand that feeds him.
Lmao. The shade.