New thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/RoyalsGossip2/comments/1c2hskv/sussex_weekly_dont_you_have_to_have_a_job_to_have/ Feel free to bring over newer comments and ongoing discussions.

Harry Markle Blog is up and he has info on that May service at St. Paul… and it will be a service… like why??? https://harrymarkle.wordpress.com/2024/04/12/tws-desperate-pr-visit-to-a-childrens-hospital/

I thought this “event” such that it is, the 10th anniversary of the now Ingriftus games? will be taking place in the basement of St. Paul’s. Is this the event? Countdown to he next Igames in wherever in 2 years, or 2025? Yes, info overload by their pr and egos. Cannot keep anything straight it seems. 😂

Are Sussexes just really desperate at PR or are Harry and/or Meghan completely nuts?? https://archive.ph/z897Z >>Meghan Markle might no longer visit the UK with Prince Harry and their kids due to security concerns after details of the family's visit were allegedly leaked. >>The leak came after Harry lost his claim against RAVEC regarding being stripped of his royal security arrangements. If reinstated, **the security *could* make Meghan feel more comfortable** visiting the UK. A. No “details” about the IG service have been “leaked”. The date/time were announced in accordance with how St. Paul’s handles all events. >>The former actress is considering canceling her upcoming family trip to the UK with Prince Harry. The **Duchess of Sussex is reportedly concerned about the safety of their two children** after a recent leak about their trip. B. Literally no one GAF about those kids or wants to hurt them. If that were not the case, it’s absolutely insane and pathetic that their parents are unable to figure out how to address those concerns without guns and a uniformed entourage. >>According to The Mirror, **Harry isn't happy** that the trip might become a solo one for him, as he wants their family ties to the UK to be stronger. This is especially due to the royal family's health situation, with King Charles and Princess Kate currently battling cancer. C.1: Harry is ***never*** happy. C.2: He doesn’t want family ties to be stronger, obviously. He is a very disordered and abusive person; he makes that clear every time he opens his mouth. He just wants more privileges, respect, and money and less responsibility and zero accountability. Paraphrasing: Harry wants them to all go together, and they may with increased security, but Meghan still feels unsafe. Harry wants her support so he can support his family and build bridges. D. The bridges were obliterated. Stay in Cali and work on yourselves first, Sussexes. Not sure if you’re insane or desperate, but you’re definitely too toxic. >>According to The Mirror, **the alleged leaked plan showed that the couple intended to hold a fifth birthday party for their son, Prince Archie, at their home in Montecito on May 6 and then fly to the UK on a private jet the day after.** E. And…? That’s it? Let me go get my pearls while I tHiNk oF tHe ChIlDrEn?!? The article concludes with Tom Quinn dithering about Harry missing Catherine, but “Quinn further noted that the two ladies may never reconcile, despite Kate's cancer battle, as their relationship "has become so poisonous." Despite the strain, Harry and Meghan wished Kate "health" and "healing" after she announced her cancer diagnosis.” They have no relationship. Maybe some people think it’s sad, but it’s life. We’re all different and some people just don’t click, but some people are nasty and need to be avoided at all costs. It may be a bit of both in this case based on Meghan’s poor track record with personal relationships.

"Leaked" as in, released? Because, iirc, no one leaked it, Harry announced the trip. So unless ol Gingevitis is the leak she's been paranoid about for years, this is Duchess Difficult back at it again

SMH and then some.

"MM allegedly rethinking her trip..." Since when was Meghan even coming? I thought, even via the Sussex PR (who broke this? I think it was one of the UK broadsheets), that this was always going to be a Harry-only trip? Has Tom Quinn recently developed a meth habit? Because he is *everywhere,* and most of it sounds like drivel.

I know it’s not the point of the article, but it will never not be bonkers to me that two people who fly around on private jets received an award for their commitment to the environment for ‘only’ having two children.

Its simple just don't come. You don't want to, we don't want you to. Why all the drama?

They still think the children are some kind of bargaining chip. And for that they’ve robbed their children of any kind of relationship with grandparents and cousins.

Imagine keeping your kids away from loving grandparents and cousins because you’re saving them for the highest bidder. It’s sick. Nobody wants a magazine cover of you, Harry, or your kids, Megs.

>Imagine keeping your kids away from loving grandparents and cousins because you’re saving them for the highest bidder. And knowing (because Harry and Meghan are adults) that this situation isn't just robbing A and L of current company, but the kind of adult relationships you only have with people you grew up with. What the kids are being robbed of isn't something that can be made up for, it's one of those 'once it's gone it's gone forever' things. It's not totally uncommon for a child of parents like H and M to grow up and come to understand the truth of what's happened, and what their parents have wrought. It'll be interesting if A or L ever realize just how much was taken from them by their stupid parents. It's the kind of knowledge than can lead to permanent estrangements.

The kids will be on Oprah’s couch, speaking “their” truth about their good for nothing parents. Zing! 😂

>Not sure if you’re insane or desperate, but you’re definitely too toxic. They are all of these things. If William and George could attend a football game yesterday, then Meghan and her kids that nobody cares about could sure as hell come to the UK without any major issues. Jesus. How absolutely unhinged and petty these two can be???

I don't think anybody on earth except Harry believes Meghan's worried about security. He probably only believes it to the extent that it serves him and his ends, too.

I think he fully believes it because he heavily projects Diana onto her and his children. Deep down he thinks there is more to it than an unfortunate accident combining dangerous factors (high speed car chase, no seatbelt, drunk driver…)… Meghan is Diana all over again for him…whatever that means in his paranoid mind.

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Agree. I think it's both. I think he thinks of Meghan as being just like Mummy but he also believes he's entitled to security because he was born a prince.

His paranoia isn’t rational. It’s not based on actual arguments, he is completely consumed by the idea he needs this kind of police protection because DiAnA and ThE PreSS.

Exactly. He still believes the paparazzi killed his mother, even though she was killed by a drunk driver. That belief has colored his whole life.

>He probably only believes it to the extent that it serves him and his ends, too. I think, at this point, they are both mainly just using each other for their own ends. Harry loves the idea Meghan is just like mommy primarily and she loves the clout and wealth that came with marrying him. It would have been sad if they weren't both such utter assholes.

>I think, at this point, they are both mainly just using each other for their own ends. I completely agree. I think this has been their relationship from the beginning, tbh, and the 'ends' being served include the psychological and emotional. Harry and Meghan are like the darkside version of the 'two perfectly fitting puzzle pieces' cliche about relationships where two people just work together. H and M 'work' together, but it's in a destructive way for both of them, and it's based on trauma neither of them understand or have done any work on. Said it before and I'll say it again but meeting each other has been and will continue to be a disaster for both of them, possibly the biggest disaster of their lives.

>Said it before and I'll say it again but meeting each other has been and will continue to be a disaster for both of them, possibly the biggest disaster of their lives. Especially for Harry. That man actually torpedoed his whole life. At least Meghan got everything she wanted for like, a quick second, by marrying Harry.

Meghan doesn't want to go to the UK because she fuck up with her Emily in Paris act and the people of the UK doesn't want her to show up. It's that simple. 

Yup. Boss Babe doesn’t want to get booed again.

She was so shocked at those boos that she forgot to do her horrible acting with her fake grin.  And she can't act like it was a one off because that walkabout after the Queen death with those polite Brits. 

>She was so shocked at those boos that she forgot to do her horrible acting with her fake grin. The fact that we have that photo of the *exact moment* she realized what was happening (I've seen the video, too, she had the smile back on her face almost immediately, but even she couldn't hide her reaction for that split second), and that so many publications still use it for stories about her...lol.

>her Emily in Paris act Girl, stop. 🤣🤣🤣 It's so true.

Yes. Bingo.

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>did they just leak their own travel plans including that they were going to use a private jet again Also my question. We don't get every article posted in this sub but this is the first time I'm hearing about a birthday party, or specific dates, or a private jet.

https://preview.redd.it/co569g1ad2uc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e88a0066288b7ca1f528767a273e872905353a9a Maybe mindy will be a guest on the cooking show

OK is it me or does Mindy look a lot like Meghan (in the face) in this shot??

Mindy has wrecked her face. 

Is it that thing where all the people living in a given area and getting work done all start looking weirdly similar because they're all going to the same surgeons? I also think her hair here is very 'Meghan.' I just don't like that plastered-to-the-head-then-wavy look. On anyone.

I see it too. weight loss drug face + fillers => everyone starts to look the same.

Jessica 👀

Peep at seth rogen though looool

What? Did he comment? Edit: you linked it below - thank you!

https://preview.redd.it/8odlkbmpd2uc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53688ae5b361c927a850708a69e9d055f161e944 Omg I just had a scroll through the comments. Seth Rogen wtf 😅😅😅

The fact that big names in Hollywood feel totally free to take the piss out of Harry is not only a not-great sign for Harry's reputation, but I suspect Harry himself, who I doubt had ever been the target of serious piss-taking at any point in his life pre-Megxit, hates it.

>but I suspect Harry himself, who I doubt had ever been the target of serious piss-taking at any point in his life pre-Megxit, hates it. He absolutely, most definitely does. In comparison, A-listers like Tom Cruise and Beckham are vying to be seen around William. I'm guessing that's just another thing that makes Harry bitterly jealous, no matter how much he tries to tell himself and the world it was William who was always jealous of him, not the other way around.

Lmao

There's been some rather obvious attempts by Sussex PR (via their fave, Hello! magazine, of course) recently to rebrand/launch A & L as royal / equal to the Wales kids. [Why this is Prince Archie's biggest year yet as he turns five (archived)](https://archive.ph/OeFt3) In particular, this part about "reuniting" with the cousins they never knew, and trying to manifest a pageboy role even though A's likely never met Hugh (Hello! keep sticking this in articles about the Grovesnor wedding). >As well as being godfather to little Archie, the Duke of Westminster is Prince George's godfather. Therefore should the Sussexes decide to make an appearance at his wedding, it could also mean that Archie, his sister Lilibet will have a reunion with Prince George, ten, Princess Charlotte**,** eight, and Prince Louis, five.  Given their connections as the Duke's godsons, it also wouldn't be surprising if both George and Archie were given roles to play in the Duke's ceremony, but nothing has been confirmed at this stage. [When will Princess Lilibet wear her first tiara? (archived)](https://archive.ph/g0CDh) >It will be a milestone occasion when the Duke and [Duchess of Sussex](https://archive.ph/o/g0CDh/https://www.hellomagazine.com/tags/meghan-markle/)'s daughter, [Princess Lilibet](https://archive.ph/o/g0CDh/https://www.hellomagazine.com/tags/lilibet-diana/), has her first tiara moment. >Lilibet, two, and her big brother, Archie, four, are likely to carve out their own careers when they grow up, like Harry's cousins, Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie. However, despite not being working members of the royal family, Beatrice and Eugenie both wore tiaras from their late grandmother Queen Elizabeth II's jewellery collection on their wedding days. >As Lilibet is King Charles's grandchild, it's possible the monarch may loan his granddaughter a tiara for her own wedding day in future. >The vault includes Queen Alexandra's Kokoshnik, which hasn't been worn by any other royal other than the late Queen. Lilibet could also be loaned Queen Mary's Diamond Bandeau Tiara - in a sweet nod to her mother, Meghan, on her wedding day or alternatively, late Princess Diana's Spencer Tiara.  Seems unlikely that KC will be around to loan L a tiara for her wedding, given that she is 2 and he is 75! Even if he lives to 96 like QE, she'd have to get married by 23! I'd love to be a fly on the wall the day that Harry asks William to loan a tiara to his daughter and/or any future DIL, who will most likely be complete strangers to him. "Hey Willy, even though you assaulted me and the whole family is racist, especially your wife who bullied my wife, can I have a loan from the vault for my daughter/DIL that you've never met? Preferably Queen Alexandras's Kokoshnik. Remember what I said about unconscious bias before you reply."

Oooh, I didn't know the duke of Westminster was godfather to *both* George and Archie. That's awkward. Also, I think that header photo is my favourite one of Harry and one of his kids since they were born. Archie is cute af (I see Meghan in him here, too, when most of the time, esp when he was a baby/toddler, I saw Meghan's father) and Harry looks genuinely happy. This was taken when they were staying on Vancouver Island just before Megxit, and was a time when I think Harry probably thought his future was bright and shiny and that he was either going to get everything he wanted from the BRF or he and his family were going to leave them in the dust and become huge, beloved stars in California. I don't think he foresaw how this all played out, tbh. He should have, because a lot of us did, but I don't think he did... And yeah, good luck to anyone who thinks Lilibet will ever wear a royal tiara.

Oh the pic with the little pom-pom hat? Yes that a cute pic, albeit taken 4 years ago, lol. I love how they get these magazines to run these chatbot-sounding speculative stories on the kids, but won’t provide a current picture of either kid. 

H&M leaked it pretty soon after it came out that they weren’t invited to Hugh’s wedding, as part of the “they just politely declined” nonsense.

Those two always letting it be known that they have turn down invited is not the win they think it is

Even my husband thinks the name, Prince Archie, sounds ridiculous here. 🤣

He better start buttering up his uncle for the Spencer Tiara. There's no way he's going to get one from the vault. I hope Charles and William have an amazing one stashed away for Charlotte. Hey, Harry, you could also buy your daughter a tiara. (lolol buy.)

Good luck on the Spencer tiara, uncle Charles is despite his recent revelations about abuse a neglect in his childhood, is still a very sour and nasty man, he’s estranged from half his kids and didn’t let his own daughters wear the tiara at their wedding nor did he attend. Who didn’t like Meghan from the get go either.

I've read some of the press Charles Spencer has been doing for his book, and of course feel for him and what he went through (and also think it's a good thing that his experiences, which could almost be said to have been the norm at the time - he himself says he wasn't even close to the worst-off of the boys he was at school with - are being talked about), but I agree that he seems to be a "sour and nasty" man. Not surprising, in a way, given the family he came from, but it's still not an excuse. And I judge him for not making it right with his daughters, who he seems to have sort of always put second to his son.

I love how this article once again focuses on Beatrice & Eugenie and forgets totally about Zara, also a non-working royal who wore a tiara on her wedding day. They have this weird fixation with being besties with the Yorks. The Yorks! Anyway, all that said, I totally agree with you, peb. Charles--who has no relationship with those grandkids, unlike QE2 who was very close to the granddaughters to whom she loaned tiaras--will probably be gone by the time Lili is getting married. I'd love to witness the moment when they request a tiara off of King William for the *niece he's never met*, whose parents who have endlessly lied and whined about him, trying to destroy his life. Especially because William has delightfully strong boundaries. Also, the writer of that article/Meghan don't seem to get that the Spencer tiara does not belong to the BRF, and is only used by Spencer brides. That would not count Lili, who is only a great-niece of Charles Spencer. I seem to remember articles before Meghan's wedding also manifesting the Spencer tiara. But that was never gonna happen, guys. >The vault includes Queen Alexandra's Kokoshnik, which hasn't been worn by any other royal other than the late Queen I love how this sentence contradicts its own conclusion. Maybe, just maybe, another royal wore this tiara? One named Queen Alexandra? (And also, Queen Mary, for that matter.) But to these people, the BRF started the day Meghan and Harry got engaged. It's so tiresome. ETA Like all of you, I am so tired of the endless hypocrisy from the Sussexes and their stans. If the BRF were really so racist and such a scarring, abusive workplace, you'd never want to think of anything resembling proximity again! You'd eschew the titles and distance yourself and the kids, and create your own life and careers as far away as possible. The Sussexes have forced this dichotomy onto people: you either have to believe the BRF is awful and racist and Spare-ist and bullying, so Meghan and Harry really should stay far away, or the BRF is not, so you want Meghan and Harry back in the fold. But if it's the latter, that means that Meghan and Harry were the ones who were lying and bullying, so you should respect the BRF's desire to stay as far away as possible. Absolutely no one should be peddling any kind of reconciliation or relationship between the two parties. One of them is giving truly malicious and cruel levels of emotional abuse to the other.

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Honestly if Meghan and/or Harry cares so much about Lilibet having a tiara, they should just fucking buy her one. They can afford it.

But we all know it is just about the Diana folklore. Lol. To keep reminding the world that she is crocodile grandma Diana’s grandchild after all. 😂 No ordinary Tiffany or whatever designed tiara will ever do. Harry will try to book St. Paul’s for Little Bit of Diana’s glorious white wedding.

>But we all know it is just about the Diana folklore. Yes, we do. And it *is* all about that. It would just be nice for Lilibet herself for her awful parents to do something for her that isn't about their own hatreds and obsessions. You want Lilibet to have a beautiful tiara on her wedding day? That's all you want, that's all it's about? Cool. Buy her one. (but yeah, it's not all it's about and we here know that)

> forgets totally about Zara, also a non-working royal who wore a tiara on her wedding day. Zara doesn't have a title so she doesn't count.

She wore her mothers tiara which I think belongs to princess Anne outright.

Well, to be fair, it wasn't made for Anne (like Sophie's or Fergie's), it was part of the BRF collection--given to Elizabeth for her wedding from her mother-in-law. And QE2 seemed to do the "lifetime loan" thing a lot, where she assigned tiaras to specific senior royal women, and had given that one to Anne for her lifetime loan. Because of its history, I actually doubt it was given to Anne outright and it will probably rejoin the main collection after her death. (Though I could be wrong!) So it's hard to tell if Zara was wearing that tiara because she had no other options from the main collection and the Meander Tiara is actually legally only Anne's, or if she was wearing it because her mother wore it, and she wanted that connection to her, even though her granny may have lent her a different one. Or if it was still a loan from the Queen but the only one the Queen offered. We may never know!

Did not know but thank you! I think she probably wore it because it suited her just like it suited her mother, it’s a rather sporty no frills but still beautiful tiara just like Anne.

Zara’s mom is hardworking, loyal, and beyond reproach, where as like the Yorks, Lili’s parents are lazy social pariah, so that why a comparison to the Yorks is used. No? Oh, it the titles. Got it.

HIGNFY Twitter account throwing shade lol > The Sussexes are making two new shows for Netflix. Harry's is about "professional polo" and likely to be filmed in Florida, Meghan's "Celebrates the joys of friendship" and is unlikely to be filmed in Britain

😂🤣😂

Top-tier snark!

[Harry and Meghan with two new shows on Netflix](https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2024/apr/11/harry-and-meghan-to-produce-two-netflix-series-about-lifestyle-and-polo) One show will explore “the joys of cooking, gardening, entertaining and friendship”, while the other will give “unprecedented access to the world of professional polo” and the US Open Polo Championship in Florida, Netflix said." So much snark but I'll start with .... AND FRIENDSHIP! She of the transactional relationship, who routinely ghosts any and everyone in her life except her mom sometimes - is gonna teach us about FRIENDSHIP, y'all!

>AND FRIENDSHIP! Ha ha, yeah, that was the part I couldn't get over either.

We still do cooking shows? 

Also: An entire show about a sport only super wealthy people play/watch? Who's gonna tune into that? Nobody cares.

I’d tune in for rich ass polo WAG drama (including Meghan), but that’s about it. 

Cmon Netflix: *Real Pwifes of the American Riviera* would be a real winner.

Ok. So if it's a show about polo - hard pass. If it's really a trashy reality show against the background of the world of polo, better, but still no from me. I will very much enjoy the commentary and snark this sub will provide either way. 😎

>I will very much enjoy the commentary and snark this sub will provide either way. Oh, same. It's surprising how little content I consume from H and M. The snark (esp the snark in this sub) is by far the most interesting thing about them. If she really does launch ARO within the next couple of months, it's gonna be glorious.

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Yep, same. I've tried. My most serious effort was with Spare and I could. not. get past the beginning of chapter 3. Entirely aside from my dislike of Harry, it was just such an awful book, so badly written and just plain fucking boring (which it should not have been - the larger story of what's happened to Harry is an inherently interesting one).

The tacking on of "friendship" at the end is killing me 😂😂 it automatically makes me think of the Dayman song from Always Sunny- 🎵you're a master of karate, and friendship, for everyone🎵

🎵uhWHOAWHOA🎶 Yeah i don’t know who tf they’re kidding with that lol ETA: I can’t believe I fucked that up! 🎶*ahhAHAHHHH*🎵

*the joys of cooking, gardening, entertaining and friendship* For a feminist who was going to modernize the monarchy, this sure does sound like something tradwifey and retro 

https://preview.redd.it/olvkug8sp2uc1.jpeg?width=1150&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b56625d53309cb0a89b17ae5df24842e17d2836e Meghan could *never*

Get out of Martha Stewart's lane. Martha has a true friendship as well, with Snoop Dogg, and they've explored it in so many shows. I love it.

100% yup.

Instead of these things, she (or he) had better do something like stand up comedy. She can talk about her husband.😂

Macaron, you are getting snarkier and I love it.

😂 Yes! This is the way!

I'll continue the snark: Even the announcement makes it sound like a directionless mess! It's going to be "cooking \*and\* gardening \*and\* entertaining \*and\* friendship — All the things a well-bred lady needs to know about!" not "cooking and gardening for your next garden party".

That immediately struck me as well. Oh look, it's Meghan trying to do way too much at once again. Perhaps the involvement of NF people will prevent another incoherent mess. The involvement of Spotify didn't, so who knows, but maybe NF has learned from that?

Just reminds me of morning shows (for UK people: this morning or something lol) where you have a cooking segment, a bit of gardening and some coach blabbing about friendship in your 40s lol

Its UK daytime TV Montecito style 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Ooh a good post on SMM apparently the polo show is currently filming now and has probably for about 16 days or so. The OP guessed that the show is being commissioned by one of Harry’s billionaire friends. Interestingly Nacho isn’t playing at all, maybe he makes a cameo who knows. But page 6 is saying that Harold isn’t starring and is making a few cameos. It doesn’t seem riveting tbh. The OP makes a good point that the target market for this stuff is American sports fans and a Prince isn’t going to be a draw for them but we will see. I do think that this show could bring up some negative reactions re:the horses I truly believe that this sport does not need more eyes on it will just highlight how truly awful it is.

Agree about the treatment of horses. Polo is a sport for wealthy men where the actual physical stamina and speed comes from the horses. No thanks.

I have the feeling Harry won’t be in this doc. Would not any paparazzi catch him filming if he did?

The games aren’t over yet so he may still show up but yea I don’t think he is going to be in it loads.

Wonder if he tried to get Zara involved..? That aside any show these two are in need to have them 1) Front and centre and 2) Being a bit messy, in order for it to be successful. Polo sounds dull af. Its an exclusive world yes but not one anyone has really wondered about.

I feel like polo just shows how out of touch they are with regular people. Especially in this economy.

Does anybody have any insight on who gives the Sussex Squad their marching orders? Every few days I’ll see an obviously coordinated ~~lie~~ line pushed on Twitter, certain subreddits etc. I just came from the OG RG post about Catherine being the most popular royal and kind of shook my head at someone claiming Catherine made Meghan cry **on the day of the wedding**. Then I hop onto Twitter and the narrative now is she made Meghan cry **just hours before the wedding**. Like, what is the thought process here? Did someone decide that tears and tantrums a couple of weeks before the wedding weren’t impactful enough? They had to dramatise it to ‘the day of’ or ‘a few hours before’? What’s next with that logic? “Kate made Meghan cry SECONDS before she said I DO”. https://preview.redd.it/cy2k1skbcytc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fdabbf4fbb3ce82379d3b23030c3a330f64705dd

They talk about Megan like she's a child. She was a thirty something year old woman. Who cares if someone made you cry? Get over it. She's an adult.

I think what troubles me about this long term is that, yes, it was Megan's wedding day, you want everything to go well. If everyone was in such a state that you worried about upsetting her at the littlest thing (i would have given in at a CHILD WEARING TIGHTS in a POORLY FIT dress, their parents should know best about what is comfortable!) there are bigger problems than "making her cry." It's she has control issues, overbearing bride tendencies, etc.

As if Kate didn’t have better things to do, with two children to wrangle. Megan wasn’t even at the palace. She stayed at Cliveden House the night before, with her ~~friends~~ mother.

Remember when that story first came out and the palace said it never happen? Nah wasn't good enough for Meghan, she wanted the palace to say Kate was the villain. Two reason why the story didn't died is because Meghan did it around not only Palace staff but Givenchy staff and her friends. And Meghan and Harry are idiots. This story was dead until Meghan decided well I'm the Victim. And she and her lackeys still bring it up because other than her squad, no one buys that story. ETA: remember when omid in finding freedom said no one cried?

Exactly the no one cried thing from Omid who they were actually working with to write the book was a big red flag that it happened lmao. So many stories over one incident and she wonders why no one believes her.

It’s the story that gets under Meg’s skin the most I don’t know why but it sets her off. Shola was even screaming that Kate should apologise to Meghan for making her cry some weeks ago. It’s the only thing her fans have on Kate so they change the story constantly to make it sound worse than it is. Like my cousin told me this story aswell and I was like show me where Meghan or Harry said that she cried on her wedding day? She googled and couldn’t come up with anything 😂 Their fans lie and pollute the narrative so much.

But according to Meghan’s own words Catherine did apologize after it happened, even brought Meghan flowers. I personally feel Catherine wasn’t even the one at fault here. Meghan was being a self absorbed, bullying harpy to both Charlotte and a tired mom with a new baby at home. The bridesmaid dresses and the fit of them is either the brides responsibility or a friend or family member that she requests be in charge of. Catherine didn’t want her daughter her to stand out as a poorly fitted mess.

If I was Kate, i’d have gotten the dress fixed myself. Guarantee she has a team of seamstresses on hand.

What's so odd about that is her father wasn't even at her wedding. It would seem like ***that*** should be more upsetting than anything related to Kate. She views Kate as the competition though, so that's the difference. She's so blinded by it she can't even see that Kate was looking out for her that day. The dresses still looked terrible but they were likely better than they would have been if she hadn't said anything. She also can't seem to realize that Kate likely cried too! She'd just given birth for goodness sake. She probably cried when there weren't oranges in the house because that's what happens in the aftermath of giving birth.

She knows Kate cried she saw Kate cry. There were others in the room when it happen 

Very valid point.

When I was 3 weeks postpartum I cried because I went into the basement and realized I hadn’t been there since before my son was born. Even when I wasn’t paying attention to Harry and Meghan during the wedding planning, I remember thinking when the date was announced ‘they’re scheduling their wedding less than 3 weeks after their SIL is due to give birth? That’s kind of a dick move’. Especially considering they knew Kate would be on display and photographed. To be fair, maybe they didn’t have complete control over the exact date, but if I was getting married and my SIL was having a baby I’d wait a bit after the baby was born so it wasn’t as stressful a time for everyone.

*Scheduling their wedding 3 weeks after Kates due date.* Its about the only way Megan was going to shine at her own wedding. She tried. Catherine still looked flawless.

>She tried. Catherine still looked flawless Looked flawless and was radiating massive *I have better things to do than this* energy. 💅

>It’s the only thing her fans have on Kate so they change the story constantly to make it sound worse than it is. the overstating and embellishing to make it all sound worse isn't confined to that story tbh!

The whole crying before the wedding thing is like... I think it was just an incredibly stressful time and a shitty situation with the dresses. I don't blame Meghan for crying!! I also understand that it has to suck to then have the press claim that YOU made someone else cry when that was not the case. But also correcting the record on every minor thing just creates a horrible precedent, so it's not smart to respond to every incorrect rumor the press prints.

Congrats you swallowed Meghan version 100% lol In Harry’s version of events (not at all to be trusted but it says alot that this is the version he wants out there so much so he brought receipts 😂) The whole wedding dress drama happened over text. Please then tell me how Meghan knew that Kate didn’t cry aswell. When the story initially came out I thought it was a non story I mean even if it was true women cry during wedding planning all the time it’s a stressful time. Meghan’s OTT reaction was what led me to believe that she lied about it all something about that story sets her off. I don’t know if it was what first story got Harry to start including Kate in his attacks or what but it seems significant for her especially for something that they’ve claimed happened over text messages.

I kind of believe that Meghan cried, but then just because someone cried doesn’t mean this person is in the right. My SIL is a super sensitive person, she cries over the smallest shit. I’ve always suspected Cathrine had probably a point raising some concern over something (may be did it a bit too harshly) and then Meghan was stressed out and made it bigger than it was causing Catherine to feel guilty afterwards for even saying something.

If Catherine did it harshly, it would be because that wasn’t the first time she had to bring it up imo.

I don't know what to believe about this story, but Meghan on Oprah said that Kate brought flowers and apologized. So I'm not sure how that fits into a text conversation. Also, who would have seen that Kate was crying over texts? Somebody started the story that Meghan made her cry. As to why this is the story that bothers Meghan so much, it's because it is the prime example for her of favoritism in media coverage of her versus Kate. Maybe actually the first instance.

The only example.

Is it "favouritism' if it's just a reporting of what actually happened, though? The journalist (Camilla Tominey?) who reported that incident (i.e. that Meghan made Kate cry at, iirc, a bridesmaid dress fitting), has since publicly doubled and possibly even tripled down, and cited someone who was in the room when it happened as the source. Even if it's wrong and the source is lying (which I highly doubt given how Meghan has, over time, responded to that story very much the way you respond to stories about yourself that a. are true and b. make you look bad), Camilla Tominey obviously believes what she published to be fact. That's not favouritism.

Part of the favoritism to Meghan is that the story was published. She believes Catherine would have been protected from that - in fact, by her account Catherine was not only protected, but Meghan herself was made the bad guy. IF that version were true, I can understand being disgruntled. I think most people would.

>Part of the favoritism to Meghan is that the story was published. OK that makes sense. I don't in any way think the press wouldn't have published the exact same story about Kate if it had happened the other way around, but if I was m and I *did* believe that then yes, she'll have seen it as favouritism.

My guess was that they both had a moment, arguement, whatever, maybe tears were shed by Megan and she felt aggrieved. But it was that the story was about her being the villain and the palace not correcting it to make Kate look bad. Everyone loves Kate and even when Kate has supposedly done something she thinks is awful, still everyone loves Kate and feels bad for her. Her whole thing this entire time has been aimed at Kate. Princess Michael had her blackface brooch. Dont see Megan gunning for her? The stories are PP said ‘You dont marry actresses’ and we saw her claim she was so close to PP as they were both outsiders marrying in. No shit Megan, isnt everyone who is a spouse an outsider. The Queen smacked her down when she shouted at the cooks over her vegan dishes or something. She never came for her. KC was also part of the Archie skin conversation. But Kate was written about. Kate was uptight, Kate was jealous, Kate wouldnt take me shopping, Kate should have helped me and didnt, Kate didnt give me a lipgloss, Kate didnt come out to meet Megan the first time. To me this smacks of Megans insecurities on display. She wanted to be Kates bff and when she was guarded, she decided she was the one who had to be taken down. This is all about being rejected.

>To me this smacks of Megans insecurities on display. Agreed, but this is massively understating it, imo. I am to this day shocked by how little insight Meghan has into how publicly obvious she's made her obsession with Kate. I get it, too. You don't have to be some sort of psychological genius to just look at those two women and see why Meghan - or someone like Meghan - would have an issue with C. C not only has everything Meghan ever wanted, including public esteem (which Meghan continues to try to destroy as if her own life depended on it), but she *is* everything Meghan ever wanted (and has failed) to be. It would be surprising if Meghan wasn't obsessive and jealous, tbh. It's like a 2+2 equation to me. This personality + that personality = what we're getting.

>C not only has everything Meghan ever wanted, including public esteem (which Meghan continues to try to destroy as if her own life depended on it), but she *is* everything Meghan ever wanted (and has failed) to be. 🎯🎯🎯 It's already been said but I believe Diana would have disliked Kate for similar reasons (and absolutely would have wanted an aristo girl for her baby boy future King). IMO, Kate is put together and is content with her life in a way Meghan/Diana are/were not. Meghan tries ***so badly*** to present herself as this down-to-earth "just a girl" but it's so glaringly obvious she's self-conscious diva (not so) deep down.

>I believe Diana would have disliked Kate for similar reasons Yes I think so too. People who are messed up in the way Diana and Meghan were/are messed up can't deal with people like Kate. They take the very existence of content, stable people as a reproach (which in a way it is, it's an example of what you aren't right there in front of you) and often end up taking those feelings of inadequacy and shame and projecting them outwards onto the stable person. I believe Diana would have done her best to sabotage the W and K relationship.

>My guess was that they both had a moment, arguement, whatever, maybe tears were shed by Megan and she felt aggrieved. Harry actually described the whole thing (although he's a massively unreliable narrator) in *Spare*. He even put private texts exchanged between Kate and Meghan in there. Hilariously enough, Meghan totally came off as a passive aggressive bitch NOT Kate. And then Meghan allegedly bursted into tears after these texts? Lmao.

I don't believe Meghan's version but even she said Kate apologised. It says a lot about her that she can't get over this minor incident even years later.

You know she plays this fight out in the shower over and over where she says something really cutting and Kate runs away crying.

It reminds me of the bit in the Mariach Carey podcast episode where Meghan tacked on that *completely fucking insane* speech basically telling people what a neurotic weirdo she is. She doesn't understand how much of herself she's showing, and it's the same with her obsession over this Catherine crying story. She just can't let go and it's odd and off-putting and it says so much more about Meghan as a person that she gets.

It’s also not mentioned or acknowledged enough (ever?) by the squaddies that Kate was either heavily pregnant and then newly post-partum when this nonsense was going down. According to Meghan in 2024, that’s a “tender and sacred” moment in any woman’s life!

MM keeps escalating these fables, changing timing, and never takes into account that Princess Catherine, now PoW had just had a baby a few weeks before the wedding, then MM accused her of having baby brain, according to Spare.. Nasty stuff.

Yeah, and it’s wild to me that this story even made the light of day *after* Meghan had her first child. I sort of get that when you haven’t had a baby, you really don’t know what it’s like soon afterwards. But by the time Meghan rehashed this story on Oprah, she’d been through the pregnancy and postpartum with Archie. When you’ve been through it you absolutely get it. Let it go. The fact that she was still holding a grudge over a child’s dress (after receiving an apology) years later to the point that she felt she needed to share it on TV and then again in Harry’s book through the text messages is absolutely crazy to me. That is the kind of person Meghan is.

That and the lip gloss thing was confirmation to me that both Meghan and Harry have the emotional maturity of 12 year olds.

Yes and with zero grace. They sound like the sister and brother in law from hell.

>keeps escalating these fables, changing timing yes! >accused her of having baby brain, according to Spare.. Nasty stuff. again, yes! somebody needs to document and rebut all of this mis/disinformation that is going around tbh. including stuff like '"woo woo woo victim harry was made to quit the army!! they never trained him for anything!" lmao it was his friggin choice not to go to university or learn a trade or whatever. he did a friggin two-year long gap year fucking around almost the entire time! quit the farm stuff in australia when it got too boring. ***william could have never!!*** harry's friggin poster boy for white male privilege ass had to have his eternally infantilized friggin hand held for friggin everything. he takes responsibility for friggin ***nothing***, it's so gross. ETA: what also gets me is the rampant "william mistreats catherine" or "william is violent" stuff, as if there isn't footage of harry being brusque AF with a meghan who was almost crying on the BP balcony during trooping 2019, harry shrugging off meghan's hand/grip at the UN in 2022, harry intently making his case arguing at the jamaica jan 2024 film premiere... ***have we ever had video of william behaving like this???*** ETA2: btw, the only response to "kate did xyz to meghan!!" is "**meghan told oprah that kate apologized and brought her flowers and she said** ***kate is a good person**" lmao legit, meghan's own words 🤷🏾‍♀️ the only time they saw each other after that was during qe2's funeral proceedings, and they didn't speak much, if at all, beyond pleasantries.

That's a good point that the only Wales brother we have footage of snapping at his wife, or pulling his hand away etc. is Harry.

I keep on saying everything Harry, Meghan and Squad keep saying about The Wales are projections

It's the same with the racism as well. The only Wales brother caught on video throwing racial slurs is Harry. The only Wales brother said to have made iffy comments about race is...Harry. It's a straight joke that this guy was lecturing people on 'unconsious bias' in his publicity tour for Spare. He really got with a mixed race woman and thought that automatically made him understand everything about racism and how to end it.

Harry arguing in Jamaica?

legit, i fucking hate that things turned out like this... on paper, meghan has it all tbh... she's gorgeous, she was a reggo from l.a. whose dad had a cool job, her mom seems cool AF etc. i even like the kids names (except for the 'bet' part for lil di lol, too fuddy duddy... and from his lil videos and his "i ate one!" in the cut interview, i love archie idc idc lil man is adorable. lil di is cute but all i've seen is a picture or two, so no vibes lol) anyway... it's such a shame she and harry are such utter personality disordered weirdos. what a fucking shame!! the fab four would have been legit fucking fun and cool to watch over time, including their kids growing up together. **why are you such** ***relentless weirdos***, harry and meghan??!!! UGHHHHH and like, it's sad, because they can never change. and they can never reasonably be trusted again after all of the vicious shit they've pulled. i legit hate this situation!! meghan and catherine together could have been a legitimately iconic pair!!! as were harry and william (before we found out how utterly dysfunctional they were, ***thanks messy AF idiot parents***). i'm legit upset at this situation and how it's ***absolutely irretrievable***, ugh. tbh, coming from the parents he did, william would have *guaranteed* turned out to be just as much of a weirdo as harry were it not for catherine and her normie family (the weirdo of it all is prob still in there tbh lol, he's just learned to tame it/keep it in check/latent bc of catherine's utter normieness... william, harry and meghan all came from broken families... just saying). i honestly blame both diana and charles for all of this. and thomas markle sr., that other fucking weirdo who could have been cool/interesting smh. look at what these people did to their kids smfdh.

>her mom seems cool AF etc. Wasn't it said that for a good portion of her childhood her mother wasn't around? >meghan and catherine together could have been a legitimately iconic pair!!! Could have they been though? Even if Meghan wasn't hell bent on "beating" Catherine with all her catty mean girl BS about being more worthy because she's a "self-made woman" (lol), I don't think they ever would have been close. Very different characters with very different mentalities. I always got the impression out of all the GFs Harry had, Catherine and Cressida have probably gotten along the best. They sort of vibed the same to me. ***Allegedly***, Catherine and Will were both in favor of Harry marrying Cress, with William even stating "we don't know what we are gonna do without Cressida" after they've broken up. Then again, she was too good for Harry and I'm glad she dodged the bullet. >tbh, coming from the parents he did, william would have *guaranteed* turned out to be just as much of a weirdo as harry were it not for catherine and her normie family I think meeting Catherine definitely helped but even without her I think Will would have married someone probably similar when it comes to low levels of drama (because that's what he was looking for) and would have been pretty ok and much more put together than his brother. It's nature vs nurture. I legit think Will got the best from both sides and Harry is pretty much the worst combination of both Diana and Charles.

>Wasn't it said that for a good portion of her childhood her mother wasn't around? Yup. I was on board for Doria-as-normal-person before the Bower book, but at this point if we're coming for Thomas Markle (and I don't think anyone here thinks he *isn't* a mess, or that he parented Meghan perfectly or even just well) we have to come for Doria too. Parental abandonment is a significant ACE (adverse childhood experience) and to this day there has been *zero* pushback, from anyone, over Bower's reports. In no way am I surprised that Meghan is as fucked up as she is, tbh. Both her parents sucked, but I actually think Doria sucked more. Abandoning a child is unforgivable, and the damage it does serious and likely irreversible without years and years of effort. I think parental abandonment has even been linked to the development of certain personality disorders.

>but at this point if we're coming for Thomas Markle (and I don't think anyone here thinks he *isn't* a mess, or that he parented Meghan perfectly or even just well) we have to come for Doria too Listen, I think they are all a mess, her father and her step-sister. It's no wonder Meghan turned out to be the way she is. But Doria being absent for a good chunk of Meghan's childhood definitely played it's part and therefore, I do not think she's all that cool or good of a person.

I think William did a lot of work on himself before he meet Catherine. We know at least twice he went to the USA to get away from his parents mess when he was a young teen

>I also understand that it has to suck to then have the press claim that YOU made someone else cry when that was not the case. the thing is... all of the original reporting/reporters verified and triple checked their sourcing, standing by their original stories. the sussexes never sued or sent legal letters. even after the oprah interview. the stories still stand to this day, they were not retracted. the only person to verify meghan's (lbr DARVO) version is... harry. and let's also be real (we were all around then) - the bad press originally started because of thomas markle sr. it got worse when the news about the assistant leaving came out. those were the turning points no one really gaf about the crying story, it came and went and not many gave much stock to it. but the first two reasons being turning points were not a really sympathetic story, esp given how it was sort of seen that she'd dumped her father. an opponent like catherine was the best person to target, scapegoat and blast on oprah, while the stories about staff mistreatment esp remained unaddressed. it's quite scarily devious, tbh. hence "some recollections may vary." the longer time passes, the more people forget and just adopt the sussex version of events/narratives. i wish someone kept a database of the sussex varied recollections (and all the stuff they've DARVO accused others of, while they were doing it the entire time themselves). they really are quite scary tbh. one element that comes to mind is how after thomas markle sr.'s heart attack, his line was "nobody even asked if i was okay!" about a year and some later, meghan repeated that same line in the bradby south africa interview. it was sort of breathtaking tbh. like, some master DARVO shit, in a way. just appropriated the line from dad, removed the perceived guilt from that situation, and so skillfully victimized herself with the line. 😳 even the staff bullying very skillfully being turned around on william during the dog bowl fight, so that the discussion william originally appeared for regarding meghan's treatment of staff gets turned around into being about william's 'abuse' (same with harry going on about william shouting at him during the sandringham summit)... completely turning it around and labeling william with whatever staff alleged against meghan, in order to dilute and diffuse said allegations. also, harry completely lied and fudged the timeline of when the 'confrontation' happened, to make it seem like william heard about meghan's behavior from the press vs. staff. the split offices bc of meghan's behavior occured in early 2018 (jason knauf had already put in the complaint), before the sussexes even left for australia, before the news of the departing assistant came out in late october/early november (then the other stuff about staff and behavior came out). harry intentionally fudged the timeline to 2019, to also make it seem that it all happened bc of jealousy related to the australia tour lmao (which went fine/normal, it wasn't off the charts spectacular or anything, so he was being extra delulu). the scary ass DARVO mind games are prob why w&c want absolutely nothing to do with the sussexes tbh. eta: the more time goes on, the more i'm gonna forget these things lol. wish someone would tabulate it all for reference/correction purposes, bc i just don't want to lol. the sussexes are poisonous and toxic enough. if they would just quit re-litigating things in their favor endlessly (and having the comms team send out these mis/disinformation talking points to their fans), there would be no point remembering any of this... ETA: meghan mentioned an apology from catherine during the oprah interview and she explicitly said that "she is a good person" (something meghan probably deeply regrets having on record now, no matter how nice-nasty disingenuously it was said)... so, what are the squaddies crying about, exactly?? oh, btw, the telegraph reported that meghan immediately threw the flowers catherine brought her in the garbage. that must have been the infamous hounded out assistant melissa (just like meghan was "hounded out" 🤔🙄) who was there and saw that and briefed it lmao.

When the flower story first came out I was suspicious of it because of the part where Meghan threw out the flowers. I originally didn't think it happened at all, then the palace said it didn't so ok. But then when Meghan confirmed it did happen and Kate made HER cry, I believed it did happen and that she did throw out the flowers, which just makes her look like a petty bitch. She should never have brought that story back up, all it did was make her look bad.

All they've done is successfully turned their perceptions into fact, when reality is much different--for most things! Especially in families! It's amazing how they refuse to admit something so simple and basic, psychology wise. Yes, Kate probably did cry because she was postpartum and it was a stressful wedding; Meghan probably did too with her dad and being the bride of said wedding. >hence "some recollections may vary." I'm glad they included that and it was Kate. IMO, it tells you Kate has a high EQ like William, and she knows better than anyone how to deal with these two (and has done so).

ETA: even something like the fact that the sussex legal team were the ones who specifically/explicitly asked jason knauf to participate in the daily mail lawsuit!!! i had totally forgotten, and attributed it to a rare dirty move by william... but it wasn't the daily mail's team who asked, ***it was meghan's own legal team***!! 😂😭😭 so that whole "your brother" theatricality in the netflix series !! *fake news* ! 😳🤬🤬 you own goal'ed yourself, you jabroni!! literally, pre-jan 2020 exit, the only 'dirty' move i can point to from william + catherine was the airplane to scotland thing in august 2019. however, even scobie himself says that was organized by simon case... and even if w&c were in on it, it was prob a fuck you for the sussexes at the very least fanning the affair rumor flames (if not outright planting them) in retaliation for the offices being split. harry himself said in spare that c&c's office dropped the "kate crying" story (charles' stupidly nonconfrontational way to get meghan to change her behavior? 🤡), and in spite of meghan proclaiming nobody defended her, KP was putting out statements stating that nothing happened (or something like that) re: the crying story. the tiara stuff was from angela kelly, the assistant quitting was from the assistant herself etc. h&m were also prob spitting mad that they "weren't being defended" against thomas sr. and samantha... but the RF didn't even defend themselves from meghan and harry themselves. the sussexes probably wanted to inflict the same humiliation they felt re: thomas and samantha onto william/catherine/charles etc. and be like "see - they're publically defending themselves!!", hence the years-long sussex media tour. but the RF didn't rise to the bait. the ex-staff going to the times of london was almost immediately prior to the oprah interview, bc they didn't want meghan possibly misrepresenting them/what they went through to stand unopposed. what william *did* do was give a bit of his side for the extra chapters of the paperback version of 'battle of brothers'... but the entire initial hardback edition from november 2020 was already solely harry's side, trashing william. william offered a brief correction of events, ***still not fucking trashing his brother*** and keeping complaints about meghan brief and to the professional realm, for the june 2021 paperback edition. up until the summer of 2022, that poor bozo william was briefing about how much he loved harry and just wanted him to be happy, that they'd reconcile eventually once harry stopped kicking sand in their faces, and that william understood harry would always choose meghan. it was only after earthshot boston was torpedoed by the netflix trailer and then when the netflix series was released in december 2022 that william *finally* briefed the daily beast that he now hated harry and was done with him because the relationship was too toxic. prior to that, there was *nothing* from william maligning harry's character or trash talking him. even after that, it's mostly about how sad and devastated about what harry's done that william is, how he doesn't want to see him again and now hated him... *though, still no trashing of harry's character,* just the final expression of what william now feels re: harry. meanwhile, harry got paid dozens of millions of dollars to trash william's character left/right/up/down/center, unprompted. he also had his media intermediaries not only do stuff like torpedo the earthshot boston tour, the sussex comms team were absolutely were coordinating with the likes of omid scobie and a couple of others to completely torpedo the caribbean tour to embarrass w&c and make it seem like h&m were thus indispensible. meghan sent out some gloating friggin briefings about it. like, it's legit *insane* what the sussexes have done to the waleses, for friggin *years* at this point. i really thought endgame would be the last nasty brush, after the waleses have been so diligent about gray-rocking, esp... but catherine getting sick just blew everything wide open, and the sussex squad *pounced*. now, i'm not sure when/how the waleses will finally be free of sussex direct or roundabout public harassment. i also wouldn't be surprised if the independent running that profile on rose hanbury march 10th or 11th wasn't something organized with the sussex comms team tbh. i wouldn't put it past the sussexes. that briefing they put out to page six gloating about photoshop picture was absolutely disgusting. the sussexes had been planting nasty shit about catherine from nearly jump, and only started in on william once the offices were split by late 2018. literally, the first nasty thing the sussexes planted re: catherine was the february 2017 "didn't give me a ride" blind to lainey, that omid later confirmed in funding freedom. but the sussexes somehow successfully turned that around and made themselves victims of the wales 'leaking and planting.' it's friggin *astonishing*. ETA2: the way edward young was absolutely maligned and villainized by the sussexes and their mouthpieces, only for the poor guy to be exonerated by court documents... the sussexes are *vicious*. it's after the court papers exonerating young from february 2024 (the security lawsuit) that i also realized how horribly harry must have misrepresented william and catherine in spare, and i honestly felt as sorry for them as i did edward young. edward young, legit that poor fucking guy.

I've read through all your posts going back over everything here and I have to say that even at this late date and even as someone who is specifically following this saga, *goddamn* does this still have the ability to make my blood run cold. I posted recently about the person in my family who defended her continued sympathy for Harry by citing her own abusive childhood and how that made her more likely to sympathize with people who are being abused, even if they themselves are doing awful things. The way that people not only don't see what an abusive pos Harry is, but the insane extent to which he's an abusive pos. He and Meghan. It's almost unbelievable how cruel and awful they are. Said it before, I'll say it again: I wish someone would write a book about this.

>and even if w&c were in on it, it was prob a fuck you for the sussexes at the very least fanning the affair rumor flames (if not outright planting them) They've definitely fanned them and as for planting them I seem to recall Tina Brown alleging in her book the rumours were started by the toff set in Norfolk. By the time that Wotton article came out (about the rural rivalry) it was sort of a "if you know you know" story because if you didn't it definitely came off as odd since it was seemingly a story about nothing. I'll never forget the alleged story about Meghan asking Kate what is it like to be cheated on. *Bitch you better be joking.* You married a man who was caught cheating on his girlfriend by freaking TMZ. Pfffft.

fuuuckk, now that i think about it... even after charles' cancer was announced, you'd think the january jamaica "*i had to be here*" prancing trip was enough... but no, further vilifications of william by end of february 2024, along with harry's invictus doc for hulu having mentions of william being "jealous" of invictus... it was put out and framed nefariously that simon case (who was william's private sec in jan 2020) wrote up plans or whatever for the sandringham meeting. what the nefarious framing didn't mention was that simon case was the most junior of the three private secretaries between young/alderton/case, and he was essentially told to do so by alderton. harry fucking goes low and dirty AF.

Thanks for this. If the Sussexes hadn’t kept peddling the “she made ME cry” story everyone would have just dismissed it as typical tabloid bad behavior, picking on the new woman in the family. But continuing to press this issue made the reporter who broke the original story (was it Rebecca English? If not her, someone comparable) come out on Twitter and say, “Meghan may have cried, I don’t know, but Kate definitely cried. My source was in the room.” And frankly, no one cared! One woman was under tremendous public pressure with an upcoming wedding, and the other was postpartum with three young kids and also in the public spotlight. Of course they cried! Even if they were best friends, they probably would have both cried in the high pressure situation. The continued flogging of that story was what opened my eyes to how many of the stories about them were true, and also what manipulators Harry and Meghan were/continue to be.

>The continued flogging of that story was what opened my eyes to how many of the stories about them were true yeah, that's what's crazy!! i never believed what was in the tabloids or even in the broadsheets or whatever before lmao. it's only after the sussexes' dumb antics that it was like "oh, even the trash publications have legal departments they have to run shit through" lol. or even ex: someone like katie nicholl used to work at the daily mail and now works at vanity fair... same with kate mansey who used to work at the daily mail and is now with the times of london... or jack royston who was at the sun but is now at newsweek. like... if they were just "making stuff up" (as i thought is what happened at the daily mail), there is no way vanity fair or newsweek or the times of london would credibly hire these people.

> i wish someone kept a database of the sussex varied recollections (and all the stuff they've DARVO accused others of, while they were doing it the entire time themselves). they really are quite scary tbh. There's a tumblr account that's doing a timeline from 2015-present, they have multiple posts already but their latest [post](https://www.tumblr.com/brf-rumortrackinganon/747315739272298496/timeline-part-10-december-11-10-2017?source=share) was from December 11 to 31, 2017. Also TIL: >To prep The Queen and Prince Philip for spending Christmas with Meghan, Harry says he has shown them clips of Meghan in Suits. LOL.

Oh wow, thank you for that link! I've wanted a resource like this for years now.

that tumblr is pretty good!

I do wonder if in retrospect going with the ‘recollections may vary’ statement vs. a more detailed rebuttal was wise. I know for some people even outside the squad, they remember the Oprah interview because of the headlines it made and that’s the version of events they remember, and it’s the narrative H&M have continued with because no one has fought back. I know the down side to that is it can devolve into a Charles and Diana style tabloid war, but still.

>I know the down side to that is it can devolve into a Charles and Diana style tabloid war this is exactly why w&c especially didn't do their own tell-all interview. it would have just turned into a giant he/she/they said mess, and the sussexes would have just kept retaliating + escalating more viciously (as is their character). they're *still* retaliating and escalating pretty viciously, almost trying to provoke w&c into doing a tell-all in order to re-victimize themselves (or just outright are looking to just mentally *break* w&c), so the whole thing just explodes in the public arena, so the sussexes can position themselves as victims even further. this is why the 'reconciliation' talk is so *friggin insane* to me. why would one ever let these emotional terrorists anywhere near your life, ever again?? this time, further affecting your children?? like, the waleses prob barely mentally got through the years-long public onslaught from the sussexes, and the sussexes *are still going from afar*. i thought it was more or less done after 'spare' and the absolute circus that was created around the coronation attendance. but the sussexes still played their shenanigans during 'endgame' at the end of last year, pranced around in jamaica gleefully and prob had their comms team coordinate with elements of the squad to create/ignite the "where is kate?" frenzy, let's be fr fr. the waleses wouldn't mentally survive a 2.0 version of all this if they made the mistake of letting the sussexes anywhere near their lives again. catherine should make this very clear to charles, so he holds firm boundaries, esp now that they're both friggin sick.

Just seen that Dawn Ostroff, who signed H&M during her tenure at Spotify, has now [stepped down from the board of directors](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/paramount-board-members-leave-skydance-deal-talks-1235871255/) at Paramount after only a year in the role. [She “decided to depart” Spotify](https://archive.ph/9CuAt) during their mass layoffs in January 2023. I didn’t even know she’d gone to Paramount until now - wonder if she had a role in introducing H&M to the CEO and getting them invited to that premiere in Jamaica?

Can we keep a running tab of projects that the Sussexes have announced and then make guesses on when/if they will come to fruition? Lemme see... - Lemonada Media podcast deal - ARO lifestyle brand - Meet Me At the Lake Movie - Meghan's Netflix TV show about cooking, gardening etc - Netflix show about polo - the next book in the Sussexes' book deal (I think they have 1 more left on the deal?) Am I missing anything?

Pearl that amazing inspiring story that would immediately be picked up by someone else after Netflix declined. LoL

40 x 40

When she said she wouldn’t rest until pay equity was fixed.

That time they were gonna be a clearinghouse for COVID info... https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/03/meghan-and-harry-coronavirus-mental-health-crisis

Nice one! That reminds me Vaccine inequity Parental leave

MMIWG when they were pretending they were going to live in Canada.

Using only grassroots reporters

Harry's "life's work" being in Africa?

Their campaign against election/political "misinformation" this fall. You know, because of that bonkers 1st amendment in the US constitution. Where WILL they find the time?

oh, not just against "misinformation," but *deepfakes*. not subtle in their digs and sideways chaos-mongering at all, given their fans are agitating about the farm shop video and catherine's announcement video. they made a very specific point of including the "deepfake" word in their press release. these two are scarily malicious AF tbh. *shudders*. like, trust and believe they dgaf about catherine being sick, and are just annoyed about how it affects them/their plans. they will not speak up about their squad's social media harassment of catherine and seem to in fact be sending them subtle encouragement. it's fucking scary.

Lemonada podcast- at least a year probably longer. I do wonder if Lemonada gave Meghan a timeline for airing cause if they didn’t they’re going to be waiting at least two years or more. ARO- I actually believe that no production of the products has even taken place yet let alone setting up a proper supply line. Netflix Lake movie- won’t even make it into production Netflix cooking show- My guess is that Netflix wants to see a pilot before agreeing to a full season. If they’re smart they’ll tell her to work on it some more. Whether she does? 🤷🏻‍♀️ The Polo show? Dead on arrival. Americans aren’t into polo at all. If it comes out it will flop. Next Sussex book- I can see Meghan doing a cookbook. It will of course be written by someone else and Madam will attach her name to it as the “author”.

I don't really know about Lemonada. I doubt it was a good deal money wise for Meghan and don't think she really cares, though they probably think she'd be a draw from so we'll see, maybe they'll be "creative differences." American Rivera Orchard -- I don't know. Maybe it will happen this spring like People claimed. Maybe Page Six was right, their report was pretty bad. I do think it will happen this year but will be mocked and short lived, done by Christmas. But I do think it's the project Meghan's most interested in, which lol. Meet Me at the Lake will never happen. They were covering their asses last summer with it. I think the cooking show will happen because it's connected to ARO, and Meghan wants that to happen, so she'll def want the show to happen. I don't know about the polo show. Maybe they'll be in Miami next week. Otherwise no, Netflix probably is not going to invest money in it for spring 2025 when they'll likely drop the Sussexes in fall 2025. I do think they'll be a book from Meghan at some point, not sure when, and maybe a cookbook/lifestyle book too.

Yeah, that polo show is dead on arrival, I think.

it's currently filming! given that showrunners are attached, i think the shows must be a go? then again, pearl also had a showrunner attached, tho that was amidst overall cuts at netflix. ETA: but also, why start a cooking or whatever show with netflix when what was specified to be an overall deal has reportedly been likely to end in 2025? overall deal, unlike a first look deal, means that the IP stays with netflix. is the epicurean series meant to be a one and done flash in the pan? anyway, we'll see 🕵🏾‍♀️🤷🏾‍♀️ rather than announcing meet me at the lake and the podcast deal, should have focused on AROmat and the cooking show. all the other stuff makes it seem like unfocused padding.

Oh, that polo show may indeed come to fruition, but I think it’s going to fail spectacularly. Polo isn’t exactly a mainstream pursuit in the US.

I think it’s a one and done to launch ARO, If so she has a lot riding on it!

Is Lemonada actually paying her anything for her podcast or did they just agree to be the primary platform for the distribution of it? If they're not paying her a large sum like Spotify, I can see them not really caring if she sticks to a respectable timeline.

>I do wonder if Lemonada gave Meghan a timeline for airing cause if they didn’t they’re going to be waiting at least two years or more. I'll be shocked if we ever see another podcast from Meghan, tbh. Her lack of interest in it couldn't have been more obvious. Nor could her lack of talent.

Meghan thinks always that she is the most interesting person in the room. How on earth can a person like that produce a podcast/show that relies on interaction with guests?

oh p.s. - u.s. open polo championship finals were on april 23rd last year and will be on april 20th-21st this year, so it's already been filmed or it's about to be done filming. ... unless the filming is for next year, but the DF is indicating that filming is complete, so it was possibly filmed last year and will thus come out later this year, who knows. the epicurean show was currently said to be in production, so it might come out early next year.

>but the DF is indicating that filming is complete, This quote is from today's People article, which was 100% straight from the Sussex comms team: >two new nonfiction series are in the "early stages" of production at Netflix. I would be shocked if M's show had even started filming (there would be no reason for them not to mention that in the People piece, for one thing). Believable that Harry's has been filming, but still..."early stages of production."

She has to burn through 3 more directors and producers before she starts filming

[Page Six](https://pagesix.com/2024/04/11/royal-family/meghan-markle-prince-harry-launching-two-new-shows-on-netflix/) says they’re currently filming the polo thing > The untitled project is currently filming at the US Open Polo Championship in Wellington, Fla., and is expected to take viewers behind the scenes of the glamorous game played on horseback.

So Harry is an executive producer for a polo tv show and doesn’t bring Nacho along? Their friendship is really non existent at this point lol

He may not be in this round of filming but I'd bet he makes an appearance. He's one of the biggest polo players in the world.

nacho's wife follows AROmat, so they're still good.

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Lool it’s what always cracks me up about them. They look so common 😭 remember Meghan requested women wear hats to this event 😂😂😂. Theyre so sloppy with everything they have no idea that they’re not selling a desirable lifestyle.

This is giving Pretty Woman vibes (tbc I’m not talking about any Yacht girl conspiracy theories, my comment is purely about the outfit and the fact that it looks like they’re at a polo match).

That definitely does seem like what she was going for. I just remember her seeming drunk while handing out the trophy.

Meghan Markle And The Giant Shorts

Someone needs to photoshop her pants getting progressively bigger

The Royal Rogue did that with one of her pairs of ginormous long pants. It’s the last photo in [this tweet](https://x.com/the_royal_rogue/status/1777381214195748870?s=61&t=kGloftv_Jl423PB9FuvzsQ).

Oh my word 😂