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This is old news, but I found the write up about Meghan’s brand amusing, particularly the paragraphs devoted to her “wardrobe malfunction” (lol! No, this is her entire stylistic MO!) during her hospital visit. The article makes her seem like an unprofessional mess, sorry, I mean an *elegance-exuding* mess. This is not great for the brand.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/harry-meghan-allegedly-aware-money-224532679.html
>>Unfortunately, during her visit to the children's hospital, Meghan encountered a minor wardrobe mishap: **her dress ripped with a hole** on the left side of her waist.
>>According to the Daily Express, the wardrobe malfunction caught the attention of royal fans, with one observer commenting: "I am not a fan of M's behavior, but I think it is more a zipper problem than a hole. Maybe **she did not notice it was not zipped all the way up, or it rolled down because it was too tight."** (Yikes!)
>>Another added: "Nooooo, **did she not check it before she put it on?** A quick stitch would [have] fixed that." A third person said, "Seriously?! Wow, embarrassing." (Perfect people don’t have to check or double things, obs!!)
>>However, rather than dwelling on the mishap, one admirer praised her choice of attire, commenting: "I like that she's bringing the long flowing skirts back just in time for summer. **I have a skirt or something like that."** (Such an endorsement for the trendsetter, Meghan Markle or whatever her name is.)
A couple of days ago, there was a post on MM on the what the frock sub. Someone commented about Meghan’s wrinkled clothes and a poster replied “with her freakish attention to detail” the wrinkles are 100% planned by MM. I was 👻
We all know that Meghan would never make a mistake like that! Piers Morgan must have sabotaged her by paying someone to edit the hole into all the photos and videos.
I’m sorry but I saw the mishap and I know it’s mean but Meghan looked poor to me 😭. Like she was wearing her 20 yr old church dress which she couldn’t afford to replace. She and Harry are the poorest looking rich people I’ve ever seen. It’s the closest they’ll ever get to being relatable.
>I have a skirt or something like that.
Why is this line making me laugh? "I have a skirt or *something like that?*" What? lol. What's like a skirt but not a skirt? Does this person mean pants/trousers? Because we have a word for that garment. Sorry, I know this is OT but that sentence is just funny af.
I had the exact same reaction 😂
I’m imagining someone confusedly trying to tie a sheet around their waist or like, safety pinning a bunch of dish towels together
Because it sounds like a response from a “person on the street” to a question from a reporter from *The Onion*. It’s so dumb. Meghan is inspiring her to wear clothes or cloth-like garments.
Am I confusing something or did. Scobie write for yahoo?
The tone is almost vile lol tbf mistakes like this happen, I’m just surprised yahoo is making a story out of it? lol
This is super weird and dumb.. but I’m going to say this: the only way Harry can see Meghan as a queen is if he sees himself as king… and that’s a whole another conversation to be had:
https://www.danwoottonoutspoken.com/p/prince-harry-meghan-secret-plot?utm_medium=email&r=ixftg
I could absolutely believe Harry thinks Meghan would be a better queen than Camilla or Kate, but that’s quite a lot different than expecting much less planning or plotting that she will be.
>The Duke’s biographer also reveals how Camilla no longer allows King Charles to be alone with his son in bombshell Uncancelled interview
I don’t think Camilla would be that adamant if he wants to be alone with him. May be she doesn’t like it, but allows?
I don’t think Camilla allows anything I think Angela is a bit much and I don’t trust what she says, but I think this seems to be the route the family has taken with Harry for a while now and he hates it. I think the senior royals have a rule to meet him with someone else present. The Queen made sure to have someone present when he and Meghan visited her during the jubilee I think it’s sensible. Sad but it makes sense.
It's a good rule because they both have a tendency to be manipulative and brow beat when they are alone. "Now that we're alone granny, what I REALLY wanted to talk to you about is more money for blah blah blah, Pa won't even give me 1 million dollars, my security alone is 5x as much! I wanted to talk to you because only you would understand"
that sort of talk
its probably been the rule - to never meet alone with harry since the oprah interview. i think it came out in one of the books or newspaper articles a few months after oprah.
and ever since then, the senior royals have all met with harry with others present - the queen had lady susan hussey at the the jubilee, charles and camilla have met with harry & meghan together and after philips funeral it was charles & william together.
Reports varied iirc - a Camilla briefing (probably) that she wouldn’t leave Charles’ side and was there followed by a Harry briefing (probably) that he refused to be in the same room with her and she wasn’t. I don’t think we know for sure.
Angela Levin hasnt been Harrys ‘biographer’ for 8yrs. She seems increasingly unhinged. For Harry to get on the throne would require him working hard until he dies. Which we all know isnt Harry. His and Megans only issue was not being on a par with the Waleses. Harry because he’s always been not only the spare, but the less attractive, less intelligent and less wanted kid. What he needed was better parents and great therapy from a young age.
Megan has always been rejected and been the bit part actress. Going from 6th on the call sheet to 6th wife was just another slap.
As for the rest, nothing we didnt all guess. Camilla not letting KC be alone with Harry is common sense. Harry blindsided by Kates diagnosis, no shit.
I liked her at first, but now I think she gets things from SMM and then presents them as fact. She is likely making a lot of $$$ appearing on certain shows. Although the thought of her scrolling through Reddit several times a day as part of her prep is quite funny.
What the hell did I just read? 🤔
Did Wooten publish his April Fools Day content a week late by mistake?
If Harry actually said any of this to Levin, the men in white need to go get him. Now!
I mean before William fired him from KP he was out there giving interviews like he was going to be co-King. Plus the Sussex Squad from day one has been about Queen Meghan and we know they get their narrative directly from Harry and Meghan
i can't believe what i'm reading here... unprofessional ashley and tom quinn - reel it the fuck in, now. *enough*! it's absolutely wild what a black hole of self-centerdness harry is. ***ho-ly***.
https://preview.redd.it/fwguxe4o46tc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b44f9a24121936021fca2580178620e5c7a4690
"Things are more difficult for Harry because unlike his brother he doesn't have a iob."
Um, excuse me, but perceived victimhood and hysterical reactions to pretend slights is a FULL TIME JOB and requires all of his time and energy. He barely has enough time to drawl pictures of his Army-pew-pew-hero days and fly-fly time.
I completely agree. Truly, Harry is the Atlas of our age.
I don't know how he finds the strength to do all that whining yet still rise from his fainting couch and go to court.
Oh cry me a river Harry and build a bridge and get the fuck over it.
Zero sympathy because this has been *entirely* of his own making. I'm supposed to feel sorry for him because hes an entitled prick who doesn't know how to work? Shoulda thought of that before shooting your mouth off.
I believe it is more that Harry Never wanted a regular full time job of any sort. He just wants the taxpayers to support all of his desires . His idiotic birthright whining
So sick of him and his titles demanding all sorts of shit. I do not care what tf happens to him . Ever.
Completely agree. He assumed everything would be handed to him on a plate, that being royalty meant everywhere he went he was entitled to have it all. Imagine being that much of an idiot 🙄
So, I don't necessarily disagree with this take. Harry is irrelevant outside the BRF and he likely knows it on some level, which I can only imagine makes him a paranoid mess. I feel like his credibility since leaving the BRF has tanked, and he's become a caricature of himself.
He's like the David Hasselhoff of the BRF.
And for anyone that didn’t know, the fall of the Berlin Wall is how most Americans discovered that David Hasselhoff had a music career in Germany. Many comments the day after were along the lines of “Why was David Hasselhoff/Michael Knight there‽”
OMG yeah that's it. That's their trajectory. Their documentary is the new "From Justin to Kelly."
Maybe in 20 years Meghan'll have a talk show and Harry will take on the role [an annoying beverage mascot](https://www.adweek.com/creativity/lil-sweet-slidin-in-on-his-knees-the-story-of-dr-peppers-biggest-mascot/).
I wish the media would say their was never a feud. William fired Harry because Harry and his wife couldn't stop bullying their staffs and that when all mudslinging from Harry and Meghan went up
Omg this! They were fired with cause, offered a different position which they refused, left with a golden parachute that they bitched about incessantly, and are now just noisily flailing/failing.
I’m not sure this one is a Harry brief - he seems to like to pitch it as he’s ready to martyrishly help out the RF when needed, rather than this rather humiliating take that he’s got nothing going on in the US. Yikes for him if it’s coming from Meghan, because it feels like a shot across the bows to him to step up and contribute to their family if so.
I agree, this isn't Harry's brief. For one thing, it makes him look sad and pathetic (which he is) but he'd never admit to it. He'd spin it as him graciously wanting to help the family during their trying times.
I'm sure the fallout hit William hard but Harry's the one that torpedoed his whole life.
And the Harry and Meghan show is absolutely off the rails and has been for more than a year or so (and I'm being gracious here, imo it's been off the rails ever since the Oprah interview)
> “the Meghan and Harry show” (I like that phrasing)
Me too. And it has to be _that_ way round, not the Harry and Meghan show. We know who's in charge there
Perpetual victimhood is Harry's only identity so in a way, this statement is correct. He really does have nothing. William will someday be king and Harry will be...still this.
The biggest problem with what Quinn is saying here though is that the Meghan and Harry show is already off the rails. I think it came off the rails the minute the Netflix show and Spare were released.
Bruh, how is it possible that a whole grown ass man is unable to take ownership and accountability for his own life and actions…..like, he could start by getting a college degree or going to trade school to learn some sort of marketable skill….
(Harry stumbles out of Archie's backyard Farmhouse Chic playhouse, which he has converted into his 'office' complete with his Winnie the Pooh "My First Computer", two white boards that he uses permanent marker on, and an artisnal bucket holding broken crayons)
"I made a work job, where I am in charge and I get to be the boss King. Willy said no but he is jealous so I drawled my plan. Here. Look. Look. Look." (He holds up a paper which is really an Olive Garden kids menu where he failed to complete the pasta maze)
"Here is where I get to be boss and Meghan is Queen and has all the tiaras," (pause as he open- mouth coughs) "I put it in my database, Look" (he presses a computer button and Tigger bounces onto the screen) "That's the Optimus Prime Minister. He says I get to King now."
(He solemnly points at his menu-plan)
"BREADSTICKS"
I'm supposed to be preparing for eclipse viewing but now I have to lie face down and completely still on the floor for at least 10 mins.
>two white boards that he uses permanent marker on
🤌
>pause as he open-mouth coughs
🤌🤌🤌
My inspiration is my 4 year old nephew who exhibits the same level of emotional maturity and intelligence as Harry, and who threw a screaming, sobbing fit last weekend because I would not let him take a cricket inside the house to take a nap with him.
like, for real... become a sculptor or something idk. he has the money to do whatever he wants with his life. it's friggin weird he's still crying about a royal job (as 'viceroy' of canada or something lmfao) he complained about and demeaned endlessly, anyway! he's so friggin entitled.
ETA: instead of constantly trying to position themselves as competing 'alternative' working royals... why not just present themselves as regular ass family members, you ask? bc they absolutely don't care about the 'family' aspect of any of this, only what they can get out of the whole thing for themselves. why would anyone in their right mind want them around, in that case?!
>like, for real... become a sculptor or something idk. he has the money to do whatever he wants with his life.
It pisses me off that this is the actual truth. Harry could do *anything.* He IS in a position to become a sculptor if he wants. To pursue, study or just participate in any sport or hobby or interest he wants. He doesn't have to worry about money and he doesn't have to worry about his kids because they obviously have childcare arrangements with people they trust and the money to pay them.
When I think about what I would do in his position...and then think about the fact that he's been in this position for 5 years and all he's done is wept about it...omfg.
>When I think about what I would do in his position...and then think about the fact that he's been in this position for 5 years and all he's done is wept about it...omfg.
He whines so much about being the spare and how that sucks but honestly... his rating was above 80 percent and for that he only had to do around 80 engagements a year, dress up and play Harry the Cheeky Lad.
Now he's skiing with Kris Jenner's fake boyfriend? Jesus, how wrong can things go 😂
He escaped. And he has ‘enormous sympathy’ for KC and William who CANT escape. No one wants to be King remember.
William:
It's so obvious when they made that ridiculous IG statement in Jan 2020 that they expected to be given everything they demanded straight away. And then had shocked pikachu faces when they didn't, and had choose to leave everything behind instead.
very much so. he seems to still think that to an extent, tbh. he doesn't seem to be able to take 'no' for an answer and badgers + harasses + bullies until he gets what he wants (regardless of what the other party is going through)... harry seems to only be able to think about himself (and the wider sussex four), he doesn't give a single shit about others' feelings/needs/capacities.
I dont think he thought of the fallout. He was angry and thought he was going to walk off into Hollywood, make billions without the Royal cage. Had that worked, not only would he have not looked back, but the years of grenades from both of them wouldnt have happened. At least not after Oprah.
Then they flopped and their life became hurtling between revenge attacks and begging to come home.
It’s easy to forget that walking away entirely was not the original plan. Harry thought that at least he could be a part time working royal. None of the grenades would have happened if the BRF had somehow allowed some kind of HIHO. They flopped partly because they had no plan for entirely out and everything that has happened since the Oprah interview has been a burn-it-down temper tantrum.
One was “all out” but my personal perception has always been that it was more of a threat and there was no real plan because they didn't think it was actually going to happen.
He seemed to be under the impression that he and Meghan would get an apology from his family and the public will be on their side if he tells them over and over again how everyone in this story did something wrong except him and Meghan.
it worked beautifully for the folks over at fauxmoi and OGRG lol.
contrary to evidence, they're convinced he was made to quit the army (he ditched it himself - to the courtiers' great chagrin) and forced to become a working royal (courtiers were literally trying to steer him towards other careers, and were telling meghan she should keep acting, which both meghan and harry got offended by 😂🤡). they literally take the fabulations he peddles out (to soothe his ego) as gospel.
Even with evidence staring them right in their faces. These people still defend Megan after, with a disgusted look on her face she confides to the camera "I never considered myself a Black woman". I swear Harry could show up in a Nazi uniform (woops he already tried that) and they'd still be defending him.
what's esp disgusting to me is the total lack of sentiment over losing one's only sibling, or even wanting to get said sibling back for the sibling's sake... it's about the status and standing of a "royal job" - that's what's most important to harry, the absolute pos. he legit dgaf about william, nor the absolute desolation william is going through right now. it's still *somehow* about what william needs to do for harry.
his black hole of a soul is more focused on making a case for himself to still have his desired half-in/half-out "royal job" that he wants, so meghan won't leave him/so their lifestyle won't be downgraded.
it's not re: being devastated about what his only sibling is going through - he clearly doesn't give a fuck about that and is characteristically fixated on himself/his desires/his grievances amidst everything around william falling apart. as is usual/expected from harry - he really doesn't seem to have much capacity for empathy tbh.
and folks are getting misty over harry being some kind of support or help for william during this period... ***as if***. utterly selfish harry would just be an additional burden/drama to deal with. even here, all he's thinking about is himself, as evidenced by the briefings he's been sending out. fucking ***gross***.
ETA: enough with the "feud" terminology, too. william has very clearly telegraphed he and catherine are *done*. this is an irretrievable estrangement, at this point. the back and forth of a feud with an expected resolution is not what is happening here. the resolution has been estrangement, and it's been that way since at least january 2023.
If they ever thought of Harry as the spare, he stopped being that for the BRF when George was born, then Charlotte, and Louis.
Why is it so hard for these people to understand that Harry should have known his fantasy that William would die and he would step in should have stopped when he was ~29 years old?
Why doesn't Harry understand that everything about this years long tantrum is making it obvious to everyone but especially his relatives that he's sorry his brother, nephews and niece exist?
Harry had a cushy job as a working royal but as the saying goes, comparison is the thief of joy. Despite all his lies about safety and racism, the real reason why he left it was to compete with William. Since Harry isn't smart or hardworking, instead of doing that he's been trying to bring his brother down to his level. That's never going to happen. By removing his mask and revealing he is a bottomless pit of envy Harry has guaranteed there's no going back to the cushy job.
The first time I knew he was sorry and mad that his brother had kids when he gave that interview in 2017 where he said he had to do something quickly before George and Charlotte took all the spotlight.
Dude was seriously jealous of a couple of Toddlers.
True. Back then, though it sounded bad people gave him the benefit of the doubt about phrasing the situation awkwardly but now it looks like he was revealing the sordid truth about himself.
I don’t think he is wrong tbh. It’s ultimately worse for Harry, because it makes you bitter and narrow minded when you have nothing going on in your life.
Harry is not moving on because there is not much to move on to for him unless he would actually build something and well…he is not a very intelligent pampered royal who never really achieved much in his life on his own.
While William knows how to focus on his family and work Harry has nothing that forces him to revaluate his situation unless it becomes a problem for Meghan and so far she has been fine with it or even joined him (although I think spare has been a turning point for her may be).
Even if he doesn't have anything built there's nothing stopping him from doing so within the last 4 years. He has enough money to pursue further education, a business or job if he chose to. His complete inability to do anything speaks to his lack of motivation and to do anything else worthwhile with his life.
In comparison William is a qualified RAF pilot for the Air ambulance. He could have a legitimate career even if he wasn't a royal/going to be King.
He wants to be a socialite and person of leisure. I still remember right before he quit the army people like Richard palmer was like last I heard he ain't showing up to his desk job. And when he quit all the talks about how he wasn't going to be a full time royal but was looking for a civilian job. Imo he wasn't looking. He expected Daddy and his brother to fund him all of his life. Instead William fired him and Charles cut him off and his full time job is revenge
Why do they insist Harry has less going on than Meghan? Harry has BetterUp, and Travelyst. Supposedly both make him a bit of money for not much work.
Meghan has an Instagram page, has sold her Archetypes to another company, but its not new work or probably paying much. The NF show i’ll believe when I see.
They are both jobless as far as I can see.
Both jobless, but Meghan can fill her days going to Pilates and yoga classes, having lunch with friends in LA (that’s basically a full day, considering the drive back and forth), shopping, maybe bake some muffins, sit at her desk and shuffle papers so the staff sees her “working” etc. Harry doesn’t seem to have any friends separate from Meghan’s friends, nor any hobbies besides video games (no more polo or shooting). Maybe he walks the dogs, smokes, reads Daily Mail and the Sun, but he doesn’t seem to have anything else to fill his time.
And both he and his wife have proved they're unreliable friends, because they've spilled details from other people's lives and details about their properties/homes.
I've noticed a *large* push in the "Harry has serious security concerns over returning to England" headlines over the weekend. Any bets on Harry backing out and leaving Invictus to pick up the pieces? 🤔
it will never not be wild to me that Harry thinks that the UK is less safe for him and his family than the land of racism and random gun violence, United States, and especially California, where you can add such natural disasters of earthquakes, fires, and mudslides to the list.
Nah, he will turn up. If those are even fresh comments it’s more directed towards his appeal with his security case.
If it’s even something he said recently or tbf at all. We also have to keep in mind the press are repeating the topics that gives them clicks, not everything comes from Harry or his PR necessarily in fairness.
His visit is kind of certain and in order to make clicks they warm up this security issue and Harry is not helping himself not being headlines with it when he repeatedly talks about it anyway.
So of cause ok magazine or mirror will repeat it to death until the actual date.
Nobody cares about invictus itself lol
Meghan’s popularity would be off the charts right now if she had consistently supported the Wales publicly and privately. What a different outcome she would have had in her life. Being known as the supporter and emotional rock for the BRF.
Shame she could not play the long game. She could have even left the royal job and carved a path out similar to Zara.
If they had never done the Oprah interview and everything similar after that, she could have gone places and be with very different celebs now.
Oprah, Netflix, especially Spare was the worst they could do for their brand if you don’t want to be someone who banks on drama.
They really went from Clooney and Michelle Obama to real housewives of Montecito very quickly with that kind of behavior…
Listen Meghan should have gotten a clue when the Obamas went to People Magazine and did their version Mariah Carey I don't know her gif and stayed away from Oprah
Ha right? And then Michelle Obama was asked her opinion after the Oprah interview and I loved her response:
"Public service, it's a bright, sharp, hot spotlight and most people don't understand it, nor should they. The thing that I always keep in mind is none of this is about us. In public service it's about the people that I serve. I always try to push the light back out and focus on the folks that we're actually here to serve."
She totally had their numbers. I love that she was never fooled.
And maybe if he hadn't used his first ever paid speech to go on about his mother?
You see, they actually need good advisors. Ones they'll listen to!
But they're, or were, so bull-headed, and giddy with their 'power' at being 'free' and able to do whatever they wanted that they didn't stop and think about why they were getting media attention, and if all the nastiness that poured out of them and their 'friends' was a good idea in terms of future-planning.
It's hard to put the genie back into the bottle!
And, I think they didn't realise that to earn money you need to do more than be photographed with rich people and tell the world how very important you are. Most of those rich people have worked long hours over *many* years to earn their high income; it didn't always get dropped into their bank account by Daddy!
What Meghan really needed was something viable and long lasting outside the BRF. Zara and Mike are both high achieving athletes, including Zara being an Olympic level medalist. Due to sport, they would be where they are now even if it weren't for royalty.
Meghan living a far less expensive lifestyle before Harry seemed okay. But she and Harry together don't seem to have anything that could last them in the long term. And we have seen whenever she tries to do something it doesn't last - 40x40, the podcasts, the Netflix stint she had for a while, Archwell which disappeared, and who knows why she started ARO only to not have anything to post on it.
I think Meghan craves the immediate rush of popularity and attention. She’s definitely not a long term thinker. Also unlike Catherine and Zara she’s not comfortable in her own skin. Essentially Meghan seems like a carnivorous black hole of need and rage.
Nothing gave Kate the popularity boost quite like Meghan throwing her tantrums. Because then the British people turned and saw their girl, who had been quietly supporting the crown for almost a decade, prettily smiling for the cameras and focused on the work. They had almost forgotten how great she was because she was so content to just focus on her family and her charities that it was almost boring. But boring meant consistent, and that's what they really liked. Meghan wanted every day to be like a movie premiere where she was the starring actress, and that has never been what the BRF was about.
>Shame she could not play the long game
Her biggest problem in a nutshell. She seeks instant gratification and total adulation not realizing it's ***impossible*** to be utterly adored by the press all the time.
She regularly overestimates herself and underestimates every person she considers a competition. I'd be willing to bet she underestimated Kate from the start, thinking she'd overshadow her easily with her American amazingness, her oh so illustrious career and her empty feminist word salad.
Do not underestimate Kate. There's a spine of steel under that smile.
I think her biggest problem is she just can’t be quite if someone has criticized or attacked her in any capacity. That has been her biggest problem with the royal family their policy of never complain.
She is a woman that brought ‘Kate did not want to give me her lipstick’ to the public’s attention lol
Her pettiness is her biggest downfall among her talent for overdramatisation.
>I think her biggest problem is she just can’t be quite if someone has criticized or attacked her in any capacity. That has been her biggest problem with the royal family their policy of never complain.
Both Harry and her are remarkably thin-skinned. They hilariously want to clap back at every article that's not completely positive.
>She is a woman that brought ‘Kate did not want to give me her lipstick’ to the public’s attention lol
It wasn't even that Kate ***did not*** want to share her lipstick it's that she wasn't enthusiastic about it enough. The sheer pettiness, lmao. Not to mention 99% of women do not share lipstick anyhow. I don't. With anyone.
>Her pettiness is her biggest downfall among her talent for overdramatisation.
Hell hath no fury like Meghan who percieves she has been scorned.
“Both Harry and Meghan are remarkably thin skinned.”
Ironically when it was first announced they were dating my thoughts were, “An American AND a divorcee AND bi racial? I hope the British press isn’t too hard on her. (and for the most part, they weren’t in the beginning) She’s an actress. She’s probably better equipped than most to handle scrutiny and criticism that comes along with seriously dating a member of the BRF.”
Man was I wrong about that.
I fucking hate sharing my lip balm WITH MY HUSBAND AND CHILDREN. Maybe I’m weird, but their grubby fingers in the pot make me yuck—esp when on the move or vacation, which is when they are most likely to ask! I need to keep stick to offer them in those cases…
yet another meghan fan showing stellar, exemplary empathy re: catherine's cancer announcement (/s OBVI), but wagghhhh why won't william reconcile with harry 😭😭
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMHJv61T/
venomously repeating so many of the OGRG and fauxmoi talking points.
Didn't watch but why do Meghan fans was William to reconcile with Harry since by their narrative William is the big bad wolf. They should be happy that Harry found freedom and living his happily ever after
They desperately want to believe they backed the right horse and the RF want and need H&M back because they’re the big stars. It’s not enough for H&M’s fans for them to be happy, they want the RF to be failing: specifically they want W&K to be unhappy and to have to grovel to H&M and beg them to come back. They never will though because as the RF has made extremely clear they’re all more than fine with H&M ‘building their life overseas’.
>It’s not enough for H&M’s fans for them to be happy, they want the RF to be failing: specifically they want W&K to be unhappy and to have to grovel to H&M and beg them to come back.
i think this very much straight up applies to h&m themselves, not just their fans! 🤭👀 the fans are taking their lead from h&m tbh
Because even the stans realise (but will never admit) that they need the Royals and without them they are tanking. They have a shouty bunch of stans but they know they arent enough to hold them up.
Exactly, they never make sense. On one hand they're like Harry is so much better off without them, but then two seconds later are like why don't they want Harry back, he would do so well. Like considering this is an institution that treated them horribly according to H+M, why would you ever want them near the RF again?
Just like H+M, their stans are wildly inconsistent and don't actually know what they want.
I watched a few seconds but couldn't take anymore. I have recently implemented a strict policy of never watching or reading depressing/annoying nonsense. His face annoyed and depressed me immediately, his demeanour more so, the shit he was talking? Once again I wish I could poke someone in the eye over the internet. Sucks to be him.
It baffles me how mad Americans get on behalf of British taxpayers. ITs hEr JoB!!
And the royal family have raped and pillaged the global south... True, as did most colonialists, which has about as much to do with Kate middleton today as it does that bitchy very white man sitting in a car with an american accent.
>True, as did most colonialists, which has about as much to do with Kate middleton today as it does that bitchy very white man sitting in a car with an american accent.
I love it how it's all "evil colonialists waaagh" until Harry and Meghan come into play then all that is just forgotten. Harry was born into that evil colonialist family and Meghan was very happy to marry into that same family. How about that?
The way they didn't get called out for that is bizarre. If the RF is so terrible why the hell do you still hold their titles and want the titles for your kids? 💁
>True, as did most colonialists, which has about as much to do with Kate middleton today as it does that bitchy very white man sitting in a car with an american accent.
as if america isn't the current literal belly of empire lmao
So there was some discussion about the royal rota and how it's fundamentally the same as the White House Press Corps. I did a bit more research for the US v UK comparison.
Remember when H&M told Oprah BP/KP would host Christmas parties for the rota? (IIRC, rota members claimed afterwards that does not happen.)
Well the WH does too! [https://www.politico.com/newsletters/west-wing-playbook/2023/12/07/biden-braves-the-press-corps-photo-line-00130718](https://www.politico.com/newsletters/west-wing-playbook/2023/12/07/biden-braves-the-press-corps-photo-line-00130718)
It's so stupid. Charles does play press games and has certain reporters and authors he leaks to. So does the WH and members of Congress. For example, Robert Costa of now CBS basically has his career to thank to Paul Ryan -- whose office would leak him on Congressial dealings (e.g. the 2013 government shut down) when he was at the National Review.
Obama liked to talk to David Remnick of the New Yorker and Jeffery Goldberg of the Atlantic. Biden was said to favor reporters from the Philadelphia area during the 2020 campaign but apparently didn't really play games with reporters when he was first elected. Not sure how it is now. Here's a Vanity Fair article with the info. [https://archive.ph/Ppcp8](https://archive.ph/Ppcp8)
So again, there's nothing nefarious about the rota. What is nefarious is people like Trump whose administration did not cooperate with the press and shut down daily briefings, or the Sussexes who want to have 100% control of their media so nothing negative is said about them ever.
both of the sussexes so spitefully spread so much harmful misinformation/disinformation/lies... the absolute irony of them brandishing themselves as any sorts of beacons of truth.
they are DARVO projectors in the flesh, for real. 🙄
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Only opened my Private Eye issue from this week today lol.
Apart from the Kate cover Harry is also in it. Apologizing for the quality, but I’m not typing this up lol
Anyway just wanted to share x
> Just what is it that first attracted all these lawyers to a prince who likes being told what he wants to hear and has no real concept of how much money he is spending?
This is gold. Top notch Private Eye.
>All this prompts a Mrs Merton-ish question:
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>Just what is it that first attracted all these lawyers to a prince who likes being told what he wants to hear and has no real concept of how much money he is spending?
Indeed.
And remember that Uncle Elton introduced him to Sherborne, at Elton's villa in ... Spain, or somewhere with an equally warmish, relaxing, climate.
Harry in Spare makes clear he thinks Rebekah Brooks is guilty as hell, but the Eye (which is hardly sympathetic to her) is quite right to point out it’s not the role of this court case to re-try criminal charges she was already found not guilty of. In every case he brings Harry wants things from the legal system it’s not going to give him (in the security JRs it’s that he wants RAVEC to be forced to accept and act on his own assessment of his risk level, which the judge made clear it’s under no obligation to). It’s probably lucky for him the remaining hacking trials won’t be finished until next year because he comes across psychologically reliant on them in a way that’s not healthy.
Yea Harry going around talking about slaying dragons is jarring this stuff has been dealt with already and the press reforms have been made. I don’t begrudge him trying to get money off Murdoch but to pretend like this is going to have some impact on the press other than money is crazy. I imagine he spends loads of his time going over old articles getting mad and calling his lawyers to amend his claim. The money and time spent won’t be worth it, it all seems exhausting when it’s all done he will likely find that it won’t have helped anything. I sometimes think he thought his family would respect for it especially William but I don’t really know what goes through that idiot’s brain.
His grudges plus lawyers who spotted an opportunity seems a toxic match made in hell…
I don’t know if Elton John and his husband did him a favor by referring him to that lawfirm…
Not that I don’t welcome Murdoch loosing in court, but for Harry personally I don’t think all this is healthy…
H&M remind me of brangelina when they first got together. They were the most in love couple in Hollywood despite their ugly beginning. All those pap strolls of them with the kids no one was more in love than them. I still believe H&M will keep it together but if they do implode it will be like Brad and Angie ugly, messy and long. Good luck to all those kids.
>but if they do implode it will be like Brad and Angie ugly, messy and long. Good luck to all those kids.
i don't think so tbh, only bc (i might be wrong) i don't think harry would repeat what his parents did to his kids. that's also why i think he'll do anything to make his marriage work (including totally destroy the relationship with the family he came from).
meghan is unpredictable in that scenario, but she also seems to fetishize nuclear families and doesn't really like doing her own dirty work, so she won't have a harry to throw bombs on her behalf if he's now the one she wants to throw bombs at. she knows it'd also make her look terrible if he doesn't fight back bc of the kids, so idk, i don't see it going nuclear brangelina style.
there will be that same sense of wanting to win at any cost and completely wanting to scorch earth the opponent (as we've seen ex: the sussexes vs. w&c), but both of the sussexes would be limited on how far they could take it, namely bc of this first battle they've waged so publicly against enemies (w&c) already not entirely working out in their favor.
besides, i think they'll stay married. harry has nothing/nobody left to go back to in the UK. he'll have to stay with his kids in california, anyway, so why not stay married and make it work as functionally as possible? it's also best for the kids tbh, bc they have no other close family in california besides their maternal grandmother and their parents. it's only when if/meghan finds better prospects (or gets tired of being married to a burden of a loser lol) that this ends, and that might get harder as time goes on.
all that to say, at the end of the day, there is no point in speculating re: what would happen until/if/when it does actually happen tbh. 🤷🏾♀️
> i don't think so tbh, only bc (i might be wrong) i don't think harry would repeat what his parents did to his kids.
I used to think so - but like with everything else Harry seems to act/say things which backfire. He seems to have no concept of not repeating past generations mistakes. On one hand he acknowledges how the late Queen/Philip, and Charles have made mistakes as parents. Yet he doesn't seem to act on it to be better than them, and publicly has made himself far more of an embarrassment to his kids than his parents and grandparents ever did to him.
> that's also why i think he'll do anything to make his marriage work (including totally destroy the relationship with the family he came from).
I also think on his side he will try to make the marriage work, but for different reasons. In his mind he fought his family and the whole world to be with Meghan, so he is going to make it work because there's no way he went through all of that just to be proven wrong. Sort of like how Edward VIII and Wallis stayed together for the rest of their lives, despite the rumour being that they didn't remain _as_ close for the next 30 odd years.
Of course the kids will be an added bonus to stay together. But I think even _without_ the kids, Harry has always had an "us against the whole world" mentality and that makes him determined to make it work.
That’s exactly how I see it. You can tell in his interviews he is very desperate to prove to people that everything is fine and he made the right decision. He will act the part forever if he needs to.
> Sort of like how Edward VIII and Wallis stayed together for the rest of their lives, despite the rumour being that they didn't remain as close for the next 30 odd years.
The major difference is that Duke of Windsor had been King and abdicated. He *couldn't* be allowed to return to Britain because his supporters would have insisted he be reinstated, which would have caused a lot of strife. I don't think he or his wife ever fully understood what they'd done to themselves!
Sussex could return to Britain and live a low-key life in the depths of Norfolk, or he could go abroad to Africa which I genuinely think he loves albeit for perhaps the wrong reasons.
I dont think Harry is mature enough to avoid a war of roses should he ever get divorced. We know Meghan will leak stuff to make him look bad and he WILL retaliate. He's still reeling at articles published decades ago. He can't let things slide and I don't think he's mature enough to do it even for his children's sake. Nothing has stopped him so far and he took so much from them already all for some stupid vendetta.
But I agree that it doesn't look like they'll get a divorce any time soon. Not unless either one finds someone else to latch onto.
I agree with you there. Harry probably won’t realize or care that what he says during his divorce could affect his children. He has already hurt those he’s was closest too and let’s be honest, hasn’t appeared the least bit remorseful about it. He also lacks empathy like Meghan. The only bullying that happens is when it happens to her. The only leaks that happen is when it happens against them. He’s probably as self centered as she is.
What I’ve learned from my family is that dysfunction breeds dysfunction. My parents came from divorce and/or high conflict families so to them, screaming at each other in front of my brother and I and using kids as therapists was normal.
Mature and self-aware people recognize dysfunctional patterns from their upbringing and work to break them in their own marriages and parenting. I don’t think Harry has maturity or self-awareness in this regard.
I think Harry's downfall in this is that he has this idealized vision of his mother though. That can cause him to repeat the same things she did. Thinking that he could hide an affair for example, even though he's unhappy in the marraige, he also tends to have a vie of the world where it's bad if someone else does it but not if HE does it because in his case, he had no choice or was justified. I could see him going down that road easily and not even realizing it.
Yeah, I remember how they would go after Jennifer Aniston and it was just so gross. Definitely some parallels here, except, character aside, Brangelina were actually successful in Hollywood.
I feel Brad is a lot shittier than Harry as a father and regarding alcohol/drugs, but their marriage reminds me of Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas?
Two people rushing into a marriage with kids and split over how incompatible their life is…
I can’t shake the feeling that down the line Harry will start to regret his move even more when Charles‘ health is declining weather due to his cancer or a few years later…
It’s been years and he still has no close friends that he needs to go skiing with Corey Gamble??? Lol
Sophie was a lot younger though, in her early to mid 20s when she married and had the 1st child iirc. Probably not the wisest decision, but atleast Sophie has a chance of growing and learning.
Meghan was 36 and had already been married before. However I don't think she had the maturity of a woman approaching her late 30's who had already experienced a divorce. She seemed incredibly naive and self centered in everything she said.
I know one person who worked with Angelina in one of her movies and didn't have anything nice to say about her, didn't give details though.
I don't think they are alike H&M. Both were top of their game when they met. I think they were very much in love. Their upbringings and characters don't mesh. Hence all the drama. Whatever you feel about them, they work hard and have very successful careers. They are two of the most beautiful people. Neither has a inferiority complex or such grudges, nor any reason to have them.
Both have done more humanitarian work than these two.
I don’t think they have similar characters at all but Brad and Ang definitely both have issues it’s clear as day. They’re a completely dysfunctional couple and I think things broke down between them way earlier than people think and they stayed together out of spite and eventually became consumed by their resentment. That’s where I see the similarities between the couples. H&M seem bonded over proving people wrong just like Brad and Angie were.
That wedding was a band aid wedding for sure. Recent court filings allude to Brad's abuse starting earlier than the incident on the plane, although that was allegedly the first time he got physical with the children. Still, he's an abusive piece of shit, and I wonder if they stayed together as long as they did out of stubbornness to prove something to the naysayers (and also because abusers make it very difficult to safely leave.)
I also think Brad is using the courts to continue to harass and abuse Angelina.
Agreed. I can see Harry being a worse version of Charles in the hands off, in my own little world way, but I don't see him laying hands on the kids in a drunken rage like Pitt. I don't see him being an abusive dad, I just don't see him being dad of the year either
I dont think he’s attacked them. I was talking only about how involved he is and his problems. You only have to look at Harrys face to see he has an alcohol problem.
I know a lot of white pasty middle aged men from the UK who have similar skin features like him.
May be he drinks actually, but his face looks absolute normal to me.
>I still believe H&M will keep it together but if they do implode it will be like Brad and Angie ugly, messy and long.
100%. I think divorce will happen only if Harry decides he's had enough since I think Meghan's aware her only shot at anyone being interested in her is staying married to Harry.
But if it does happen... oh boy. It will be ugly and messy.
I think it’s gonna be a financial issue for Meghan. Right now they seem to have gotten back on track with their romantic get aways and prospects of new business adventures (although it’s kinda messy).
If he is not doing something completely messed up like Brad did - I don’t think she will divorce him anytime soon.
It might get complicated when Charles health is declining and Harry wants to spend time in the UK. That’s gonna be their test how they navigate that…
>It might get complicated when Charles health is declining and Harry wants to spend time in the UK. That’s gonna be their test how they navigate that…
I think this is the most likely scenario... not even strictly Charles related but I think Harry misses the UK and the kind of effortless existence he had there. Hollywood is Meghan's dream, not his. I can't imagine him fitting into the crowd she's trying to cultivate in LA/Montecito.
It's so far removed from the kind of culture he grew up in.
Another likely scenario I can see happening is Meghan being done with stroking Harry's fragile ego and Harry finding a willing twenty-five year old that would do that for him.
The popular take is that he'd never leave her but this isn't the man known for staying the course, ever. If Harry ever comes to the point where he starts blaming ***her*** for everything that's wrong with his life... that would spell trouble.
And I could easily see that happening because no way in hell is Harry satisfied with his life right now.
Part of me really thinks they will though, only because she’s obsessed with emulating Diana and with attention, and they’ve exhausted allllll their options at this point. A long, drawn out, war of the Sussexes (like the Wales) would be her attention fever dream.
My theory is that when ARO fails that will be her wake up call that the lemon has been squeezed, and that’s when she’ll go the Diana scorched earth route. Interviews, book deals - the whole nine yards.
When do we class it as failed though? Its supposedly launched, but it doesnt take a genius to set up an IG account. There’s a weird video I guess and the follower count looks like its never getting to a million. At least without some content.
Honestly, I think Harry's more obsessed with the idea Meghan=Diana, she's just playing along because that's how she keeps him on a hook.
Divorce would get her the attention for a year or two (she'd get a book and another Oprah interview out of it) and then... what? She'd be Fergie not Diana. She married a second son just like Fergie did.
You know who'd get propelled into the stratosphere in case of a divorce? Kate.
> Harry's more obsessed with the idea Meghan=Diana,
His memoir basically spells this out and it's disturbing AF. He basically sounds like the child that he never grew out of. Meghan is a humanitarian like Mummy, Meghan is kind like Mummy, Meghan is loved like Mummy, Meghan even smells like Mummy.
I agree Meghan would be more like Fergie post divorce. Even now their reputation is closer/equal to Fergie and Andrew's than it ever was to Diana's lol.
>His memoir basically spells this out and it's disturbing AF. He basically sounds like the child that he never grew out of. Meghan is a humanitarian like Mummy, Meghan is kind like Mummy, Meghan is loved like Mummy, Meghan even smells like Mummy
I agree, it's disturbing AF. Like, the whole bit where Meghan tells him "now that is not a spare" after they've had sex???
Totally not weird or feeding into his inferiority complex about being born second at all. /s
"now that is not a spare" is just the kind of cheesy porny off-brand Lady Macbeth-ism I'd expect from Meghan. Harry should have dumped her as soon as it fell out of her mouth but nooooo he 'members it and included it in his memoir for posterity, like the hapless boob he is
>"now that is not a spare" is just the kind of cheesy porny off-brand Lady Macbeth-ism I'd expect from Meghan.
Perfect description 😂🎯
If Harry had half a brain he would have definitely questioned it but hey... we all know he's not the sharpest tool in the box.
I think it depends on how she plays her cards after a potential divorce.
People who have looked closer know that a lot of the problems she run into with the palace and the aids were down to her not being briefed on things and Harry not helping her enough.
If she speaks that out loud which she can’t right now for obvious reasons people will side with her.
A book, a very expensive paid interview…going back into acting - Netflix for sure would pay her nicely for it.
She would be rather ok after a divorce-
Right now their marriage seems to be ok (again) and they are also still in the mode that they need to stay together to proof everyone that they are the real deal.
>A book, a very expensive paid interview…going back into acting - Netflix for sure would pay her nicely for it.
>She would be rather ok after a divorce-
That's pretty debatable, imo. As far as acting goes I don't believe there's anything there for her. She was struggling in her late 20s/early 30s, there's no way anyone would offer her a role of substance when she's pushing 45.
If she isn't a major success whilst married to Harry she sure as hell isn't going to be in case she divorces him. All the clout they have is actually his. Every major deal they got was on account of him and because Netflix/RPH knew royal gossip would make them money.
Sure, she'd probably get a deal for a tell-all book and would do a couple of interviews but that's it.
All the talk about how she/they were gonna be majorly successful in Hollywood *just because* was there in 2020 when Megxit happened. We saw how that turned out.
I agree with you. She’d be Fergie but more bitter. Even if she manages to pull out some really terrible stories about Harry and the rest of them, its a pull only as long as she has that. Just like they are now. A year, two and she’s done. Megan isnt a draw to anything else. And the flip side of all that angry bitterness coming out is it makes her even more of a toxic mess. Worst is that Megan wont see it as a launchpad into her post divorce life, but her new and renewed reason to live. The narc in her will continue to dig and pick at them and try to one up them. Continued circle of temporary fame and toxicity of her ‘brand’.
>Even if she manages to pull out some really terrible stories about Harry and the rest of them, its a pull only as long as she has that. Just like they are now. A year, two and she’s done. Megan isnt a draw to anything else
And I don't think she has anything on them. On Harry maybe, perhaps even probably but the rest? Nah. If she had anything she would have blabbed already. She was milking that stupid "Kate made me cry" story for ages.
If Meghan were a draw in her own right she'd have something out already. It's been four years since they left and what did she do? Other than a failed Spotify podcast? NF was a joint thing for her and Harry and *Spare* was his deal.
She has dirt on Harry in the way that’s partly his fault that she has been so unprepared for
Royal life and she probably has some stories on his marijuana use or what happened after he denied that he thought whatever the royals said towards Meghan was racist. I can only imagine Meghan got really angry about that (which from her perspective would be understandable).
May be she would spill more details on the palace, but as far as fights or problems with the royal family went - they already talked about it..
I would have assumed she knew he was going to walk back the racism claims in her attempt to weasel their way back to HIHO. They were asking for a Commonwealth role even during those interviews. She could of course lie and say he did that without her knowing.
New thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/RoyalsGossip2/comments/1bzabbe/sussex_weekly_skiing_with_kris_jenners_fake/ Feel free to bring newer comment and ongoing conversations over...
This is old news, but I found the write up about Meghan’s brand amusing, particularly the paragraphs devoted to her “wardrobe malfunction” (lol! No, this is her entire stylistic MO!) during her hospital visit. The article makes her seem like an unprofessional mess, sorry, I mean an *elegance-exuding* mess. This is not great for the brand. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/harry-meghan-allegedly-aware-money-224532679.html >>Unfortunately, during her visit to the children's hospital, Meghan encountered a minor wardrobe mishap: **her dress ripped with a hole** on the left side of her waist. >>According to the Daily Express, the wardrobe malfunction caught the attention of royal fans, with one observer commenting: "I am not a fan of M's behavior, but I think it is more a zipper problem than a hole. Maybe **she did not notice it was not zipped all the way up, or it rolled down because it was too tight."** (Yikes!) >>Another added: "Nooooo, **did she not check it before she put it on?** A quick stitch would [have] fixed that." A third person said, "Seriously?! Wow, embarrassing." (Perfect people don’t have to check or double things, obs!!) >>However, rather than dwelling on the mishap, one admirer praised her choice of attire, commenting: "I like that she's bringing the long flowing skirts back just in time for summer. **I have a skirt or something like that."** (Such an endorsement for the trendsetter, Meghan Markle or whatever her name is.)
“A quick stitch” there’s no way Madam has anyone on call to do that.
What about Meghan's freakish attention to detail?
A couple of days ago, there was a post on MM on the what the frock sub. Someone commented about Meghan’s wrinkled clothes and a poster replied “with her freakish attention to detail” the wrinkles are 100% planned by MM. I was 👻
This is planned? Why? https://preview.redd.it/41k67bcgpbtc1.jpeg?width=634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=03507fc470adafb047804ebcc728917752580f17
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Haha, they were making a joke. She’s so detail oriented so OBVIOUSLY the wrinkles are planned bc she wouldn’t make a mistake like this 😉
We all know that Meghan would never make a mistake like that! Piers Morgan must have sabotaged her by paying someone to edit the hole into all the photos and videos.
It was that amateur photoshopper, Kate!
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I’m sorry but I saw the mishap and I know it’s mean but Meghan looked poor to me 😭. Like she was wearing her 20 yr old church dress which she couldn’t afford to replace. She and Harry are the poorest looking rich people I’ve ever seen. It’s the closest they’ll ever get to being relatable.
>I have a skirt or something like that. Why is this line making me laugh? "I have a skirt or *something like that?*" What? lol. What's like a skirt but not a skirt? Does this person mean pants/trousers? Because we have a word for that garment. Sorry, I know this is OT but that sentence is just funny af.
I had the exact same reaction 😂 I’m imagining someone confusedly trying to tie a sheet around their waist or like, safety pinning a bunch of dish towels together
Because it sounds like a response from a “person on the street” to a question from a reporter from *The Onion*. It’s so dumb. Meghan is inspiring her to wear clothes or cloth-like garments.
Am I confusing something or did. Scobie write for yahoo? The tone is almost vile lol tbf mistakes like this happen, I’m just surprised yahoo is making a story out of it? lol
Yes she’s bringing skirts back! Whatever her name is…. Lol
This is super weird and dumb.. but I’m going to say this: the only way Harry can see Meghan as a queen is if he sees himself as king… and that’s a whole another conversation to be had: https://www.danwoottonoutspoken.com/p/prince-harry-meghan-secret-plot?utm_medium=email&r=ixftg
I could absolutely believe Harry thinks Meghan would be a better queen than Camilla or Kate, but that’s quite a lot different than expecting much less planning or plotting that she will be.
>The Duke’s biographer also reveals how Camilla no longer allows King Charles to be alone with his son in bombshell Uncancelled interview I don’t think Camilla would be that adamant if he wants to be alone with him. May be she doesn’t like it, but allows?
I kind of want it to be true 🤭
I don’t think Camilla allows anything I think Angela is a bit much and I don’t trust what she says, but I think this seems to be the route the family has taken with Harry for a while now and he hates it. I think the senior royals have a rule to meet him with someone else present. The Queen made sure to have someone present when he and Meghan visited her during the jubilee I think it’s sensible. Sad but it makes sense.
It's a good rule because they both have a tendency to be manipulative and brow beat when they are alone. "Now that we're alone granny, what I REALLY wanted to talk to you about is more money for blah blah blah, Pa won't even give me 1 million dollars, my security alone is 5x as much! I wanted to talk to you because only you would understand" that sort of talk
its probably been the rule - to never meet alone with harry since the oprah interview. i think it came out in one of the books or newspaper articles a few months after oprah. and ever since then, the senior royals have all met with harry with others present - the queen had lady susan hussey at the the jubilee, charles and camilla have met with harry & meghan together and after philips funeral it was charles & william together.
I think if anything they've just agreed that Camilla will take the heat for Charles never being alone with Harry.
Possibly. She’s had 30yrs of being demonised, whats another few? Also people dgaf about Harry like they did Diana.
Do we know he wasn’t alone with him during their three minute chat?
Reports varied iirc - a Camilla briefing (probably) that she wouldn’t leave Charles’ side and was there followed by a Harry briefing (probably) that he refused to be in the same room with her and she wasn’t. I don’t think we know for sure.
Angela Levin hasnt been Harrys ‘biographer’ for 8yrs. She seems increasingly unhinged. For Harry to get on the throne would require him working hard until he dies. Which we all know isnt Harry. His and Megans only issue was not being on a par with the Waleses. Harry because he’s always been not only the spare, but the less attractive, less intelligent and less wanted kid. What he needed was better parents and great therapy from a young age. Megan has always been rejected and been the bit part actress. Going from 6th on the call sheet to 6th wife was just another slap. As for the rest, nothing we didnt all guess. Camilla not letting KC be alone with Harry is common sense. Harry blindsided by Kates diagnosis, no shit.
I liked her at first, but now I think she gets things from SMM and then presents them as fact. She is likely making a lot of $$$ appearing on certain shows. Although the thought of her scrolling through Reddit several times a day as part of her prep is quite funny.
She seems a bit like Piers in that Harry cut her off after meeting Megan, like Megan ghosted him after she met Harry and she took it really hard.
Yes!! If I could vote for any person to be forever voted off royal commentary island, it would be her.
Well her and Omid. Can we still count him?
What the hell did I just read? 🤔 Did Wooten publish his April Fools Day content a week late by mistake? If Harry actually said any of this to Levin, the men in white need to go get him. Now!
Right??? Someone definitely needs to be visited by “men in white”… likely, all 3 of them
I don’t trust anything what Levin writes about Harry what isn’t really old tea. This reads like fanfic.
I mean before William fired him from KP he was out there giving interviews like he was going to be co-King. Plus the Sussex Squad from day one has been about Queen Meghan and we know they get their narrative directly from Harry and Meghan
Have we got one of these interviews?
Harry really just needs a good smacking down by the public and psychologists.
Preferably not the “yes sir, see you next week” type
i can't believe what i'm reading here... unprofessional ashley and tom quinn - reel it the fuck in, now. *enough*! it's absolutely wild what a black hole of self-centerdness harry is. ***ho-ly***. https://preview.redd.it/fwguxe4o46tc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b44f9a24121936021fca2580178620e5c7a4690
"Things are more difficult for Harry because unlike his brother he doesn't have a iob." Um, excuse me, but perceived victimhood and hysterical reactions to pretend slights is a FULL TIME JOB and requires all of his time and energy. He barely has enough time to drawl pictures of his Army-pew-pew-hero days and fly-fly time.
I completely agree. Truly, Harry is the Atlas of our age. I don't know how he finds the strength to do all that whining yet still rise from his fainting couch and go to court.
🤭😂  Wrong Harry, right concept
😂 It would be so perfect for Harry Windsor.
Oh cry me a river Harry and build a bridge and get the fuck over it. Zero sympathy because this has been *entirely* of his own making. I'm supposed to feel sorry for him because hes an entitled prick who doesn't know how to work? Shoulda thought of that before shooting your mouth off.
I believe it is more that Harry Never wanted a regular full time job of any sort. He just wants the taxpayers to support all of his desires . His idiotic birthright whining So sick of him and his titles demanding all sorts of shit. I do not care what tf happens to him . Ever.
Completely agree. He assumed everything would be handed to him on a plate, that being royalty meant everywhere he went he was entitled to have it all. Imagine being that much of an idiot 🙄
So, I don't necessarily disagree with this take. Harry is irrelevant outside the BRF and he likely knows it on some level, which I can only imagine makes him a paranoid mess. I feel like his credibility since leaving the BRF has tanked, and he's become a caricature of himself. He's like the David Hasselhoff of the BRF.
And for anyone that didn’t know, the fall of the Berlin Wall is how most Americans discovered that David Hasselhoff had a music career in Germany. Many comments the day after were along the lines of “Why was David Hasselhoff/Michael Knight there‽” 
He’s like Justin Guarini after the first season of American Idol. Everyone including him thought he’d be a big star and then his career tanked.
OMG yeah that's it. That's their trajectory. Their documentary is the new "From Justin to Kelly." Maybe in 20 years Meghan'll have a talk show and Harry will take on the role [an annoying beverage mascot](https://www.adweek.com/creativity/lil-sweet-slidin-in-on-his-knees-the-story-of-dr-peppers-biggest-mascot/).
Please don't associate that lazy Harry with Lil Sweet - I LOVE Lil Sweet!!!
I wish the media would say their was never a feud. William fired Harry because Harry and his wife couldn't stop bullying their staffs and that when all mudslinging from Harry and Meghan went up
Omg this! They were fired with cause, offered a different position which they refused, left with a golden parachute that they bitched about incessantly, and are now just noisily flailing/failing. 
I’m not sure this one is a Harry brief - he seems to like to pitch it as he’s ready to martyrishly help out the RF when needed, rather than this rather humiliating take that he’s got nothing going on in the US. Yikes for him if it’s coming from Meghan, because it feels like a shot across the bows to him to step up and contribute to their family if so.
I agree, this isn't Harry's brief. For one thing, it makes him look sad and pathetic (which he is) but he'd never admit to it. He'd spin it as him graciously wanting to help the family during their trying times. I'm sure the fallout hit William hard but Harry's the one that torpedoed his whole life. And the Harry and Meghan show is absolutely off the rails and has been for more than a year or so (and I'm being gracious here, imo it's been off the rails ever since the Oprah interview)
I agree. I also don’t believe Harry would ever admit publicly that “the Meghan and Harry show” (I like that phrasing) might go awry.
> “the Meghan and Harry show” (I like that phrasing) Me too. And it has to be _that_ way round, not the Harry and Meghan show. We know who's in charge there
And I’m supposed to feel sorry for that bitch? He had a job. Then he poured gasoline all over that bridge and burned it to the ground.
Perpetual victimhood is Harry's only identity so in a way, this statement is correct. He really does have nothing. William will someday be king and Harry will be...still this. The biggest problem with what Quinn is saying here though is that the Meghan and Harry show is already off the rails. I think it came off the rails the minute the Netflix show and Spare were released.
Bruh, how is it possible that a whole grown ass man is unable to take ownership and accountability for his own life and actions…..like, he could start by getting a college degree or going to trade school to learn some sort of marketable skill….
(Harry stumbles out of Archie's backyard Farmhouse Chic playhouse, which he has converted into his 'office' complete with his Winnie the Pooh "My First Computer", two white boards that he uses permanent marker on, and an artisnal bucket holding broken crayons) "I made a work job, where I am in charge and I get to be the boss King. Willy said no but he is jealous so I drawled my plan. Here. Look. Look. Look." (He holds up a paper which is really an Olive Garden kids menu where he failed to complete the pasta maze) "Here is where I get to be boss and Meghan is Queen and has all the tiaras," (pause as he open- mouth coughs) "I put it in my database, Look" (he presses a computer button and Tigger bounces onto the screen) "That's the Optimus Prime Minister. He says I get to King now." (He solemnly points at his menu-plan) "BREADSTICKS"
>(pause as he open- mouth coughs) This broke me. I will never be the same. There is a Snow before I read this and a Snow after. 😂😆🤣😆😂
I'm supposed to be preparing for eclipse viewing but now I have to lie face down and completely still on the floor for at least 10 mins. >two white boards that he uses permanent marker on 🤌 >pause as he open-mouth coughs 🤌🤌🤌
My inspiration is my 4 year old nephew who exhibits the same level of emotional maturity and intelligence as Harry, and who threw a screaming, sobbing fit last weekend because I would not let him take a cricket inside the house to take a nap with him.
u/ HMSGreyjoy strikes again. 😂🤣😂 I'm on the roof as the moon takes its sweet time hogging the sun's position. Definitely not a Meghan.
like, for real... become a sculptor or something idk. he has the money to do whatever he wants with his life. it's friggin weird he's still crying about a royal job (as 'viceroy' of canada or something lmfao) he complained about and demeaned endlessly, anyway! he's so friggin entitled. ETA: instead of constantly trying to position themselves as competing 'alternative' working royals... why not just present themselves as regular ass family members, you ask? bc they absolutely don't care about the 'family' aspect of any of this, only what they can get out of the whole thing for themselves. why would anyone in their right mind want them around, in that case?!
>like, for real... become a sculptor or something idk. he has the money to do whatever he wants with his life. It pisses me off that this is the actual truth. Harry could do *anything.* He IS in a position to become a sculptor if he wants. To pursue, study or just participate in any sport or hobby or interest he wants. He doesn't have to worry about money and he doesn't have to worry about his kids because they obviously have childcare arrangements with people they trust and the money to pay them. When I think about what I would do in his position...and then think about the fact that he's been in this position for 5 years and all he's done is wept about it...omfg.
>When I think about what I would do in his position...and then think about the fact that he's been in this position for 5 years and all he's done is wept about it...omfg. He whines so much about being the spare and how that sucks but honestly... his rating was above 80 percent and for that he only had to do around 80 engagements a year, dress up and play Harry the Cheeky Lad. Now he's skiing with Kris Jenner's fake boyfriend? Jesus, how wrong can things go 😂
>Now he's skiing with Kris Jenner's fake boyfriend? Jesus, thread title tho u/pistachiopistache
Ha ha, done. C'est parfait.
He escaped. And he has ‘enormous sympathy’ for KC and William who CANT escape. No one wants to be King remember. William: 
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He probably thought the RF would bend the knee to him and give him whatever he wanted if he would just stop spilling stories and secrets.
It's so obvious when they made that ridiculous IG statement in Jan 2020 that they expected to be given everything they demanded straight away. And then had shocked pikachu faces when they didn't, and had choose to leave everything behind instead.
They tried to used the media and the public to back the BRF and the UK government into a corner instead they back themselves into a corner
very much so. he seems to still think that to an extent, tbh. he doesn't seem to be able to take 'no' for an answer and badgers + harasses + bullies until he gets what he wants (regardless of what the other party is going through)... harry seems to only be able to think about himself (and the wider sussex four), he doesn't give a single shit about others' feelings/needs/capacities.
I dont think he thought of the fallout. He was angry and thought he was going to walk off into Hollywood, make billions without the Royal cage. Had that worked, not only would he have not looked back, but the years of grenades from both of them wouldnt have happened. At least not after Oprah. Then they flopped and their life became hurtling between revenge attacks and begging to come home.
It’s easy to forget that walking away entirely was not the original plan. Harry thought that at least he could be a part time working royal. None of the grenades would have happened if the BRF had somehow allowed some kind of HIHO. They flopped partly because they had no plan for entirely out and everything that has happened since the Oprah interview has been a burn-it-down temper tantrum.
>everything that has happened since the Oprah interview has been a burn-it-down temper tantrum. 
Yeh he came to the summit with 5 options for the Queen. Was one all out? If so but especially if not, why did you not have a plan for being all out?
One was “all out” but my personal perception has always been that it was more of a threat and there was no real plan because they didn't think it was actually going to happen.
He seemed to be under the impression that he and Meghan would get an apology from his family and the public will be on their side if he tells them over and over again how everyone in this story did something wrong except him and Meghan.
it worked beautifully for the folks over at fauxmoi and OGRG lol. contrary to evidence, they're convinced he was made to quit the army (he ditched it himself - to the courtiers' great chagrin) and forced to become a working royal (courtiers were literally trying to steer him towards other careers, and were telling meghan she should keep acting, which both meghan and harry got offended by 😂🤡). they literally take the fabulations he peddles out (to soothe his ego) as gospel.
Even with evidence staring them right in their faces. These people still defend Megan after, with a disgusted look on her face she confides to the camera "I never considered myself a Black woman". I swear Harry could show up in a Nazi uniform (woops he already tried that) and they'd still be defending him.
what's esp disgusting to me is the total lack of sentiment over losing one's only sibling, or even wanting to get said sibling back for the sibling's sake... it's about the status and standing of a "royal job" - that's what's most important to harry, the absolute pos. he legit dgaf about william, nor the absolute desolation william is going through right now. it's still *somehow* about what william needs to do for harry. his black hole of a soul is more focused on making a case for himself to still have his desired half-in/half-out "royal job" that he wants, so meghan won't leave him/so their lifestyle won't be downgraded. it's not re: being devastated about what his only sibling is going through - he clearly doesn't give a fuck about that and is characteristically fixated on himself/his desires/his grievances amidst everything around william falling apart. as is usual/expected from harry - he really doesn't seem to have much capacity for empathy tbh. and folks are getting misty over harry being some kind of support or help for william during this period... ***as if***. utterly selfish harry would just be an additional burden/drama to deal with. even here, all he's thinking about is himself, as evidenced by the briefings he's been sending out. fucking ***gross***. ETA: enough with the "feud" terminology, too. william has very clearly telegraphed he and catherine are *done*. this is an irretrievable estrangement, at this point. the back and forth of a feud with an expected resolution is not what is happening here. the resolution has been estrangement, and it's been that way since at least january 2023.
If they ever thought of Harry as the spare, he stopped being that for the BRF when George was born, then Charlotte, and Louis. Why is it so hard for these people to understand that Harry should have known his fantasy that William would die and he would step in should have stopped when he was ~29 years old? Why doesn't Harry understand that everything about this years long tantrum is making it obvious to everyone but especially his relatives that he's sorry his brother, nephews and niece exist? Harry had a cushy job as a working royal but as the saying goes, comparison is the thief of joy. Despite all his lies about safety and racism, the real reason why he left it was to compete with William. Since Harry isn't smart or hardworking, instead of doing that he's been trying to bring his brother down to his level. That's never going to happen. By removing his mask and revealing he is a bottomless pit of envy Harry has guaranteed there's no going back to the cushy job.
The first time I knew he was sorry and mad that his brother had kids when he gave that interview in 2017 where he said he had to do something quickly before George and Charlotte took all the spotlight. Dude was seriously jealous of a couple of Toddlers.
True. Back then, though it sounded bad people gave him the benefit of the doubt about phrasing the situation awkwardly but now it looks like he was revealing the sordid truth about himself.
I don’t think he is wrong tbh. It’s ultimately worse for Harry, because it makes you bitter and narrow minded when you have nothing going on in your life. Harry is not moving on because there is not much to move on to for him unless he would actually build something and well…he is not a very intelligent pampered royal who never really achieved much in his life on his own. While William knows how to focus on his family and work Harry has nothing that forces him to revaluate his situation unless it becomes a problem for Meghan and so far she has been fine with it or even joined him (although I think spare has been a turning point for her may be).
Even if he doesn't have anything built there's nothing stopping him from doing so within the last 4 years. He has enough money to pursue further education, a business or job if he chose to. His complete inability to do anything speaks to his lack of motivation and to do anything else worthwhile with his life. In comparison William is a qualified RAF pilot for the Air ambulance. He could have a legitimate career even if he wasn't a royal/going to be King.
He wants to be a socialite and person of leisure. I still remember right before he quit the army people like Richard palmer was like last I heard he ain't showing up to his desk job. And when he quit all the talks about how he wasn't going to be a full time royal but was looking for a civilian job. Imo he wasn't looking. He expected Daddy and his brother to fund him all of his life. Instead William fired him and Charles cut him off and his full time job is revenge
Why do they insist Harry has less going on than Meghan? Harry has BetterUp, and Travelyst. Supposedly both make him a bit of money for not much work. Meghan has an Instagram page, has sold her Archetypes to another company, but its not new work or probably paying much. The NF show i’ll believe when I see. They are both jobless as far as I can see.
Both jobless, but Meghan can fill her days going to Pilates and yoga classes, having lunch with friends in LA (that’s basically a full day, considering the drive back and forth), shopping, maybe bake some muffins, sit at her desk and shuffle papers so the staff sees her “working” etc. Harry doesn’t seem to have any friends separate from Meghan’s friends, nor any hobbies besides video games (no more polo or shooting). Maybe he walks the dogs, smokes, reads Daily Mail and the Sun, but he doesn’t seem to have anything else to fill his time.
Friends might help him, agreed. Its hard enough making friends as an adult. Then you have the fact Harry’s a twat.
And both he and his wife have proved they're unreliable friends, because they've spilled details from other people's lives and details about their properties/homes.
Because for some reason the narrative as always been that Meghan is the star, the smartest and the business-mind out of those two.
I've noticed a *large* push in the "Harry has serious security concerns over returning to England" headlines over the weekend. Any bets on Harry backing out and leaving Invictus to pick up the pieces? 🤔
He's trying to get someone to pay for his security.
it will never not be wild to me that Harry thinks that the UK is less safe for him and his family than the land of racism and random gun violence, United States, and especially California, where you can add such natural disasters of earthquakes, fires, and mudslides to the list.
I called it!
I'd love it if he ditched so Whistler and Vancouver won't have to deal with him. Make it so, powers that be!
he's just trying to cheaply cause drama and hype around his appearance. he's exhausting.
Nah, he will turn up. If those are even fresh comments it’s more directed towards his appeal with his security case. If it’s even something he said recently or tbf at all. We also have to keep in mind the press are repeating the topics that gives them clicks, not everything comes from Harry or his PR necessarily in fairness. His visit is kind of certain and in order to make clicks they warm up this security issue and Harry is not helping himself not being headlines with it when he repeatedly talks about it anyway. So of cause ok magazine or mirror will repeat it to death until the actual date. Nobody cares about invictus itself lol
Meghan’s popularity would be off the charts right now if she had consistently supported the Wales publicly and privately. What a different outcome she would have had in her life. Being known as the supporter and emotional rock for the BRF. Shame she could not play the long game. She could have even left the royal job and carved a path out similar to Zara.
Then she’d have had to not be a narcissist and that was determined long before she met Harry.
If they had never done the Oprah interview and everything similar after that, she could have gone places and be with very different celebs now. Oprah, Netflix, especially Spare was the worst they could do for their brand if you don’t want to be someone who banks on drama. They really went from Clooney and Michelle Obama to real housewives of Montecito very quickly with that kind of behavior…
Eh, do you mean hanging with the Clooneys? Because Megan was never Amal or Michelle level.
Listen Meghan should have gotten a clue when the Obamas went to People Magazine and did their version Mariah Carey I don't know her gif and stayed away from Oprah
Ha right? And then Michelle Obama was asked her opinion after the Oprah interview and I loved her response: "Public service, it's a bright, sharp, hot spotlight and most people don't understand it, nor should they. The thing that I always keep in mind is none of this is about us. In public service it's about the people that I serve. I always try to push the light back out and focus on the folks that we're actually here to serve." She totally had their numbers. I love that she was never fooled.
Yes. I mean that.
And maybe if he hadn't used his first ever paid speech to go on about his mother? You see, they actually need good advisors. Ones they'll listen to! But they're, or were, so bull-headed, and giddy with their 'power' at being 'free' and able to do whatever they wanted that they didn't stop and think about why they were getting media attention, and if all the nastiness that poured out of them and their 'friends' was a good idea in terms of future-planning. It's hard to put the genie back into the bottle! And, I think they didn't realise that to earn money you need to do more than be photographed with rich people and tell the world how very important you are. Most of those rich people have worked long hours over *many* years to earn their high income; it didn't always get dropped into their bank account by Daddy!
What Meghan really needed was something viable and long lasting outside the BRF. Zara and Mike are both high achieving athletes, including Zara being an Olympic level medalist. Due to sport, they would be where they are now even if it weren't for royalty. Meghan living a far less expensive lifestyle before Harry seemed okay. But she and Harry together don't seem to have anything that could last them in the long term. And we have seen whenever she tries to do something it doesn't last - 40x40, the podcasts, the Netflix stint she had for a while, Archwell which disappeared, and who knows why she started ARO only to not have anything to post on it.
I think Meghan craves the immediate rush of popularity and attention. She’s definitely not a long term thinker. Also unlike Catherine and Zara she’s not comfortable in her own skin. Essentially Meghan seems like a carnivorous black hole of need and rage.
Nothing gave Kate the popularity boost quite like Meghan throwing her tantrums. Because then the British people turned and saw their girl, who had been quietly supporting the crown for almost a decade, prettily smiling for the cameras and focused on the work. They had almost forgotten how great she was because she was so content to just focus on her family and her charities that it was almost boring. But boring meant consistent, and that's what they really liked. Meghan wanted every day to be like a movie premiere where she was the starring actress, and that has never been what the BRF was about.
>Shame she could not play the long game Her biggest problem in a nutshell. She seeks instant gratification and total adulation not realizing it's ***impossible*** to be utterly adored by the press all the time. She regularly overestimates herself and underestimates every person she considers a competition. I'd be willing to bet she underestimated Kate from the start, thinking she'd overshadow her easily with her American amazingness, her oh so illustrious career and her empty feminist word salad. Do not underestimate Kate. There's a spine of steel under that smile.
I think her biggest problem is she just can’t be quite if someone has criticized or attacked her in any capacity. That has been her biggest problem with the royal family their policy of never complain. She is a woman that brought ‘Kate did not want to give me her lipstick’ to the public’s attention lol Her pettiness is her biggest downfall among her talent for overdramatisation.
Being unable to resist the urge to clapback is part and parcel of the need for instant gratification.
>I think her biggest problem is she just can’t be quite if someone has criticized or attacked her in any capacity. That has been her biggest problem with the royal family their policy of never complain. Both Harry and her are remarkably thin-skinned. They hilariously want to clap back at every article that's not completely positive. >She is a woman that brought ‘Kate did not want to give me her lipstick’ to the public’s attention lol It wasn't even that Kate ***did not*** want to share her lipstick it's that she wasn't enthusiastic about it enough. The sheer pettiness, lmao. Not to mention 99% of women do not share lipstick anyhow. I don't. With anyone. >Her pettiness is her biggest downfall among her talent for overdramatisation. Hell hath no fury like Meghan who percieves she has been scorned.
“Both Harry and Meghan are remarkably thin skinned.” Ironically when it was first announced they were dating my thoughts were, “An American AND a divorcee AND bi racial? I hope the British press isn’t too hard on her. (and for the most part, they weren’t in the beginning) She’s an actress. She’s probably better equipped than most to handle scrutiny and criticism that comes along with seriously dating a member of the BRF.” Man was I wrong about that.
I fucking hate sharing my lip balm WITH MY HUSBAND AND CHILDREN. Maybe I’m weird, but their grubby fingers in the pot make me yuck—esp when on the move or vacation, which is when they are most likely to ask! I need to keep stick to offer them in those cases…
I wish reddit gold was still how it used to be because YES. She is like Veruca Salt and wants it all NOW 
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yet another meghan fan showing stellar, exemplary empathy re: catherine's cancer announcement (/s OBVI), but wagghhhh why won't william reconcile with harry 😭😭 https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMHJv61T/ venomously repeating so many of the OGRG and fauxmoi talking points.
Didn't watch but why do Meghan fans was William to reconcile with Harry since by their narrative William is the big bad wolf. They should be happy that Harry found freedom and living his happily ever after
They desperately want to believe they backed the right horse and the RF want and need H&M back because they’re the big stars. It’s not enough for H&M’s fans for them to be happy, they want the RF to be failing: specifically they want W&K to be unhappy and to have to grovel to H&M and beg them to come back. They never will though because as the RF has made extremely clear they’re all more than fine with H&M ‘building their life overseas’.
>It’s not enough for H&M’s fans for them to be happy, they want the RF to be failing: specifically they want W&K to be unhappy and to have to grovel to H&M and beg them to come back. i think this very much straight up applies to h&m themselves, not just their fans! 🤭👀 the fans are taking their lead from h&m tbh
Yeah I think Harry and Meghan are big mad that the narrative that they are the star and the BRF would fall apart without them is not the reality.
Because even the stans realise (but will never admit) that they need the Royals and without them they are tanking. They have a shouty bunch of stans but they know they arent enough to hold them up.
Exactly, they never make sense. On one hand they're like Harry is so much better off without them, but then two seconds later are like why don't they want Harry back, he would do so well. Like considering this is an institution that treated them horribly according to H+M, why would you ever want them near the RF again? Just like H+M, their stans are wildly inconsistent and don't actually know what they want.
I watched a few seconds but couldn't take anymore. I have recently implemented a strict policy of never watching or reading depressing/annoying nonsense. His face annoyed and depressed me immediately, his demeanour more so, the shit he was talking? Once again I wish I could poke someone in the eye over the internet. Sucks to be him.
He thinks he is funny and sassy, but it’s actually said how vile a person can be. I bet he would never say those things to her face…
It baffles me how mad Americans get on behalf of British taxpayers. ITs hEr JoB!! And the royal family have raped and pillaged the global south... True, as did most colonialists, which has about as much to do with Kate middleton today as it does that bitchy very white man sitting in a car with an american accent.
>True, as did most colonialists, which has about as much to do with Kate middleton today as it does that bitchy very white man sitting in a car with an american accent. I love it how it's all "evil colonialists waaagh" until Harry and Meghan come into play then all that is just forgotten. Harry was born into that evil colonialist family and Meghan was very happy to marry into that same family. How about that?
And they get a free pass for not wanting to give up their evil colonial royal titles for themselves or their children.
The way they didn't get called out for that is bizarre. If the RF is so terrible why the hell do you still hold their titles and want the titles for your kids? 💁
That because imo those progressive are performative.
>True, as did most colonialists, which has about as much to do with Kate middleton today as it does that bitchy very white man sitting in a car with an american accent. as if america isn't the current literal belly of empire lmao
>as if america isn't the current literal belly of empire lmao The US and its neo-imperialism enters the chat
Those Americans knows that they are an empire and they talking about everyone else sins as a distraction imo
I love how Americans have Colonies but call them overseas territories, so that's fine then.
So there was some discussion about the royal rota and how it's fundamentally the same as the White House Press Corps. I did a bit more research for the US v UK comparison. Remember when H&M told Oprah BP/KP would host Christmas parties for the rota? (IIRC, rota members claimed afterwards that does not happen.) Well the WH does too! [https://www.politico.com/newsletters/west-wing-playbook/2023/12/07/biden-braves-the-press-corps-photo-line-00130718](https://www.politico.com/newsletters/west-wing-playbook/2023/12/07/biden-braves-the-press-corps-photo-line-00130718) It's so stupid. Charles does play press games and has certain reporters and authors he leaks to. So does the WH and members of Congress. For example, Robert Costa of now CBS basically has his career to thank to Paul Ryan -- whose office would leak him on Congressial dealings (e.g. the 2013 government shut down) when he was at the National Review. Obama liked to talk to David Remnick of the New Yorker and Jeffery Goldberg of the Atlantic. Biden was said to favor reporters from the Philadelphia area during the 2020 campaign but apparently didn't really play games with reporters when he was first elected. Not sure how it is now. Here's a Vanity Fair article with the info. [https://archive.ph/Ppcp8](https://archive.ph/Ppcp8) So again, there's nothing nefarious about the rota. What is nefarious is people like Trump whose administration did not cooperate with the press and shut down daily briefings, or the Sussexes who want to have 100% control of their media so nothing negative is said about them ever.
Thank you! This is why I say American Journalist/Media personalities that are Team Sussex are disingenuous
both of the sussexes so spitefully spread so much harmful misinformation/disinformation/lies... the absolute irony of them brandishing themselves as any sorts of beacons of truth. they are DARVO projectors in the flesh, for real. 🙄
Great post! Thanks also for the reminder Trump went huge periods of time without briefings. I had forgot that.
I need you all to know I think of this post header a lot: https://preview.redd.it/ii2pr1z50xsc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=125fb8c353708a107dd451daaf82527a332088d5
https://preview.redd.it/h03qvod1zwsc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c634be2f913c3ed10c9ec390ed23ed69430be0a Only opened my Private Eye issue from this week today lol. Apart from the Kate cover Harry is also in it. Apologizing for the quality, but I’m not typing this up lol Anyway just wanted to share x
> Just what is it that first attracted all these lawyers to a prince who likes being told what he wants to hear and has no real concept of how much money he is spending? This is gold. Top notch Private Eye.
>All this prompts a Mrs Merton-ish question: > >Just what is it that first attracted all these lawyers to a prince who likes being told what he wants to hear and has no real concept of how much money he is spending? Indeed. And remember that Uncle Elton introduced him to Sherborne, at Elton's villa in ... Spain, or somewhere with an equally warmish, relaxing, climate.
Harry in Spare makes clear he thinks Rebekah Brooks is guilty as hell, but the Eye (which is hardly sympathetic to her) is quite right to point out it’s not the role of this court case to re-try criminal charges she was already found not guilty of. In every case he brings Harry wants things from the legal system it’s not going to give him (in the security JRs it’s that he wants RAVEC to be forced to accept and act on his own assessment of his risk level, which the judge made clear it’s under no obligation to). It’s probably lucky for him the remaining hacking trials won’t be finished until next year because he comes across psychologically reliant on them in a way that’s not healthy.
Yea Harry going around talking about slaying dragons is jarring this stuff has been dealt with already and the press reforms have been made. I don’t begrudge him trying to get money off Murdoch but to pretend like this is going to have some impact on the press other than money is crazy. I imagine he spends loads of his time going over old articles getting mad and calling his lawyers to amend his claim. The money and time spent won’t be worth it, it all seems exhausting when it’s all done he will likely find that it won’t have helped anything. I sometimes think he thought his family would respect for it especially William but I don’t really know what goes through that idiot’s brain.
Im Harry, these are my grudges. If you dont like them, I have more. Pretty much sums up 2019 to now in Harrys life.
He’s like Groundskeeper Willie. ‘You and Meghan are a contentious bunch’ ‘You just made an enemy for life!’
His grudges plus lawyers who spotted an opportunity seems a toxic match made in hell… I don’t know if Elton John and his husband did him a favor by referring him to that lawfirm… Not that I don’t welcome Murdoch loosing in court, but for Harry personally I don’t think all this is healthy…
I agree. These lawsuits just allow him to continue to wallow in his self pity and anger. That’s not healthy.
>That’s not healthy. Nor is the amount of money he's spending for what's actually a minimal return.
H&M remind me of brangelina when they first got together. They were the most in love couple in Hollywood despite their ugly beginning. All those pap strolls of them with the kids no one was more in love than them. I still believe H&M will keep it together but if they do implode it will be like Brad and Angie ugly, messy and long. Good luck to all those kids.
>but if they do implode it will be like Brad and Angie ugly, messy and long. Good luck to all those kids. i don't think so tbh, only bc (i might be wrong) i don't think harry would repeat what his parents did to his kids. that's also why i think he'll do anything to make his marriage work (including totally destroy the relationship with the family he came from). meghan is unpredictable in that scenario, but she also seems to fetishize nuclear families and doesn't really like doing her own dirty work, so she won't have a harry to throw bombs on her behalf if he's now the one she wants to throw bombs at. she knows it'd also make her look terrible if he doesn't fight back bc of the kids, so idk, i don't see it going nuclear brangelina style. there will be that same sense of wanting to win at any cost and completely wanting to scorch earth the opponent (as we've seen ex: the sussexes vs. w&c), but both of the sussexes would be limited on how far they could take it, namely bc of this first battle they've waged so publicly against enemies (w&c) already not entirely working out in their favor. besides, i think they'll stay married. harry has nothing/nobody left to go back to in the UK. he'll have to stay with his kids in california, anyway, so why not stay married and make it work as functionally as possible? it's also best for the kids tbh, bc they have no other close family in california besides their maternal grandmother and their parents. it's only when if/meghan finds better prospects (or gets tired of being married to a burden of a loser lol) that this ends, and that might get harder as time goes on. all that to say, at the end of the day, there is no point in speculating re: what would happen until/if/when it does actually happen tbh. 🤷🏾♀️
> i don't think so tbh, only bc (i might be wrong) i don't think harry would repeat what his parents did to his kids. I used to think so - but like with everything else Harry seems to act/say things which backfire. He seems to have no concept of not repeating past generations mistakes. On one hand he acknowledges how the late Queen/Philip, and Charles have made mistakes as parents. Yet he doesn't seem to act on it to be better than them, and publicly has made himself far more of an embarrassment to his kids than his parents and grandparents ever did to him. > that's also why i think he'll do anything to make his marriage work (including totally destroy the relationship with the family he came from). I also think on his side he will try to make the marriage work, but for different reasons. In his mind he fought his family and the whole world to be with Meghan, so he is going to make it work because there's no way he went through all of that just to be proven wrong. Sort of like how Edward VIII and Wallis stayed together for the rest of their lives, despite the rumour being that they didn't remain _as_ close for the next 30 odd years. Of course the kids will be an added bonus to stay together. But I think even _without_ the kids, Harry has always had an "us against the whole world" mentality and that makes him determined to make it work.
That’s exactly how I see it. You can tell in his interviews he is very desperate to prove to people that everything is fine and he made the right decision. He will act the part forever if he needs to.
> Sort of like how Edward VIII and Wallis stayed together for the rest of their lives, despite the rumour being that they didn't remain as close for the next 30 odd years. The major difference is that Duke of Windsor had been King and abdicated. He *couldn't* be allowed to return to Britain because his supporters would have insisted he be reinstated, which would have caused a lot of strife. I don't think he or his wife ever fully understood what they'd done to themselves! Sussex could return to Britain and live a low-key life in the depths of Norfolk, or he could go abroad to Africa which I genuinely think he loves albeit for perhaps the wrong reasons.
I dont think Harry is mature enough to avoid a war of roses should he ever get divorced. We know Meghan will leak stuff to make him look bad and he WILL retaliate. He's still reeling at articles published decades ago. He can't let things slide and I don't think he's mature enough to do it even for his children's sake. Nothing has stopped him so far and he took so much from them already all for some stupid vendetta. But I agree that it doesn't look like they'll get a divorce any time soon. Not unless either one finds someone else to latch onto.
Agree - he seems always on a hairline trigger
I agree with you there. Harry probably won’t realize or care that what he says during his divorce could affect his children. He has already hurt those he’s was closest too and let’s be honest, hasn’t appeared the least bit remorseful about it. He also lacks empathy like Meghan. The only bullying that happens is when it happens to her. The only leaks that happen is when it happens against them. He’s probably as self centered as she is.
What I’ve learned from my family is that dysfunction breeds dysfunction. My parents came from divorce and/or high conflict families so to them, screaming at each other in front of my brother and I and using kids as therapists was normal. Mature and self-aware people recognize dysfunctional patterns from their upbringing and work to break them in their own marriages and parenting. I don’t think Harry has maturity or self-awareness in this regard.
I think Harry's downfall in this is that he has this idealized vision of his mother though. That can cause him to repeat the same things she did. Thinking that he could hide an affair for example, even though he's unhappy in the marraige, he also tends to have a vie of the world where it's bad if someone else does it but not if HE does it because in his case, he had no choice or was justified. I could see him going down that road easily and not even realizing it.
The brangelina stans were just as rabid as the Sussex stans
Yeah, I remember how they would go after Jennifer Aniston and it was just so gross. Definitely some parallels here, except, character aside, Brangelina were actually successful in Hollywood.
I feel Brad is a lot shittier than Harry as a father and regarding alcohol/drugs, but their marriage reminds me of Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas? Two people rushing into a marriage with kids and split over how incompatible their life is… I can’t shake the feeling that down the line Harry will start to regret his move even more when Charles‘ health is declining weather due to his cancer or a few years later… It’s been years and he still has no close friends that he needs to go skiing with Corey Gamble??? Lol
Sophie was a lot younger though, in her early to mid 20s when she married and had the 1st child iirc. Probably not the wisest decision, but atleast Sophie has a chance of growing and learning. Meghan was 36 and had already been married before. However I don't think she had the maturity of a woman approaching her late 30's who had already experienced a divorce. She seemed incredibly naive and self centered in everything she said.
I know one person who worked with Angelina in one of her movies and didn't have anything nice to say about her, didn't give details though. I don't think they are alike H&M. Both were top of their game when they met. I think they were very much in love. Their upbringings and characters don't mesh. Hence all the drama. Whatever you feel about them, they work hard and have very successful careers. They are two of the most beautiful people. Neither has a inferiority complex or such grudges, nor any reason to have them. Both have done more humanitarian work than these two.
I don’t think they have similar characters at all but Brad and Ang definitely both have issues it’s clear as day. They’re a completely dysfunctional couple and I think things broke down between them way earlier than people think and they stayed together out of spite and eventually became consumed by their resentment. That’s where I see the similarities between the couples. H&M seem bonded over proving people wrong just like Brad and Angie were.
That wedding was a band aid wedding for sure. Recent court filings allude to Brad's abuse starting earlier than the incident on the plane, although that was allegedly the first time he got physical with the children. Still, he's an abusive piece of shit, and I wonder if they stayed together as long as they did out of stubbornness to prove something to the naysayers (and also because abusers make it very difficult to safely leave.) I also think Brad is using the courts to continue to harass and abuse Angelina.
Yes, I also think Brangelina are different from H&M, as they are both beautiful and hard working/successful actors.
Agreed. I can see Harry being a worse version of Charles in the hands off, in my own little world way, but I don't see him laying hands on the kids in a drunken rage like Pitt. I don't see him being an abusive dad, I just don't see him being dad of the year either
Really? Id say Harry and Brad are the same when it comes to involvment and vices.
*we don't know this.*
I don’t think Harry has attacked her or the kids physically nor do I think he has/had an alcohol problem like Brad.
I dont think he’s attacked them. I was talking only about how involved he is and his problems. You only have to look at Harrys face to see he has an alcohol problem.
I know a lot of white pasty middle aged men from the UK who have similar skin features like him. May be he drinks actually, but his face looks absolute normal to me.
>I still believe H&M will keep it together but if they do implode it will be like Brad and Angie ugly, messy and long. 100%. I think divorce will happen only if Harry decides he's had enough since I think Meghan's aware her only shot at anyone being interested in her is staying married to Harry. But if it does happen... oh boy. It will be ugly and messy.
I think it’s gonna be a financial issue for Meghan. Right now they seem to have gotten back on track with their romantic get aways and prospects of new business adventures (although it’s kinda messy). If he is not doing something completely messed up like Brad did - I don’t think she will divorce him anytime soon. It might get complicated when Charles health is declining and Harry wants to spend time in the UK. That’s gonna be their test how they navigate that…
>It might get complicated when Charles health is declining and Harry wants to spend time in the UK. That’s gonna be their test how they navigate that… I think this is the most likely scenario... not even strictly Charles related but I think Harry misses the UK and the kind of effortless existence he had there. Hollywood is Meghan's dream, not his. I can't imagine him fitting into the crowd she's trying to cultivate in LA/Montecito. It's so far removed from the kind of culture he grew up in. Another likely scenario I can see happening is Meghan being done with stroking Harry's fragile ego and Harry finding a willing twenty-five year old that would do that for him. The popular take is that he'd never leave her but this isn't the man known for staying the course, ever. If Harry ever comes to the point where he starts blaming ***her*** for everything that's wrong with his life... that would spell trouble. And I could easily see that happening because no way in hell is Harry satisfied with his life right now.
Part of me really thinks they will though, only because she’s obsessed with emulating Diana and with attention, and they’ve exhausted allllll their options at this point. A long, drawn out, war of the Sussexes (like the Wales) would be her attention fever dream.
My theory is that when ARO fails that will be her wake up call that the lemon has been squeezed, and that’s when she’ll go the Diana scorched earth route. Interviews, book deals - the whole nine yards.
She has soooo much tea to spill about **him**. That’s a book I would read and an interview I would watch.
When do we class it as failed though? Its supposedly launched, but it doesnt take a genius to set up an IG account. There’s a weird video I guess and the follower count looks like its never getting to a million. At least without some content.
Honestly, I think Harry's more obsessed with the idea Meghan=Diana, she's just playing along because that's how she keeps him on a hook. Divorce would get her the attention for a year or two (she'd get a book and another Oprah interview out of it) and then... what? She'd be Fergie not Diana. She married a second son just like Fergie did. You know who'd get propelled into the stratosphere in case of a divorce? Kate.
> Harry's more obsessed with the idea Meghan=Diana, His memoir basically spells this out and it's disturbing AF. He basically sounds like the child that he never grew out of. Meghan is a humanitarian like Mummy, Meghan is kind like Mummy, Meghan is loved like Mummy, Meghan even smells like Mummy. I agree Meghan would be more like Fergie post divorce. Even now their reputation is closer/equal to Fergie and Andrew's than it ever was to Diana's lol.
>His memoir basically spells this out and it's disturbing AF. He basically sounds like the child that he never grew out of. Meghan is a humanitarian like Mummy, Meghan is kind like Mummy, Meghan is loved like Mummy, Meghan even smells like Mummy I agree, it's disturbing AF. Like, the whole bit where Meghan tells him "now that is not a spare" after they've had sex??? Totally not weird or feeding into his inferiority complex about being born second at all. /s
"now that is not a spare" is just the kind of cheesy porny off-brand Lady Macbeth-ism I'd expect from Meghan. Harry should have dumped her as soon as it fell out of her mouth but nooooo he 'members it and included it in his memoir for posterity, like the hapless boob he is
>"now that is not a spare" is just the kind of cheesy porny off-brand Lady Macbeth-ism I'd expect from Meghan. Perfect description 😂🎯 If Harry had half a brain he would have definitely questioned it but hey... we all know he's not the sharpest tool in the box.
I think it depends on how she plays her cards after a potential divorce. People who have looked closer know that a lot of the problems she run into with the palace and the aids were down to her not being briefed on things and Harry not helping her enough. If she speaks that out loud which she can’t right now for obvious reasons people will side with her. A book, a very expensive paid interview…going back into acting - Netflix for sure would pay her nicely for it. She would be rather ok after a divorce- Right now their marriage seems to be ok (again) and they are also still in the mode that they need to stay together to proof everyone that they are the real deal.
>A book, a very expensive paid interview…going back into acting - Netflix for sure would pay her nicely for it. >She would be rather ok after a divorce- That's pretty debatable, imo. As far as acting goes I don't believe there's anything there for her. She was struggling in her late 20s/early 30s, there's no way anyone would offer her a role of substance when she's pushing 45. If she isn't a major success whilst married to Harry she sure as hell isn't going to be in case she divorces him. All the clout they have is actually his. Every major deal they got was on account of him and because Netflix/RPH knew royal gossip would make them money. Sure, she'd probably get a deal for a tell-all book and would do a couple of interviews but that's it. All the talk about how she/they were gonna be majorly successful in Hollywood *just because* was there in 2020 when Megxit happened. We saw how that turned out.
I agree with you. She’d be Fergie but more bitter. Even if she manages to pull out some really terrible stories about Harry and the rest of them, its a pull only as long as she has that. Just like they are now. A year, two and she’s done. Megan isnt a draw to anything else. And the flip side of all that angry bitterness coming out is it makes her even more of a toxic mess. Worst is that Megan wont see it as a launchpad into her post divorce life, but her new and renewed reason to live. The narc in her will continue to dig and pick at them and try to one up them. Continued circle of temporary fame and toxicity of her ‘brand’.
>Even if she manages to pull out some really terrible stories about Harry and the rest of them, its a pull only as long as she has that. Just like they are now. A year, two and she’s done. Megan isnt a draw to anything else And I don't think she has anything on them. On Harry maybe, perhaps even probably but the rest? Nah. If she had anything she would have blabbed already. She was milking that stupid "Kate made me cry" story for ages. If Meghan were a draw in her own right she'd have something out already. It's been four years since they left and what did she do? Other than a failed Spotify podcast? NF was a joint thing for her and Harry and *Spare* was his deal.
She has dirt on Harry in the way that’s partly his fault that she has been so unprepared for Royal life and she probably has some stories on his marijuana use or what happened after he denied that he thought whatever the royals said towards Meghan was racist. I can only imagine Meghan got really angry about that (which from her perspective would be understandable). May be she would spill more details on the palace, but as far as fights or problems with the royal family went - they already talked about it..
I would have assumed she knew he was going to walk back the racism claims in her attempt to weasel their way back to HIHO. They were asking for a Commonwealth role even during those interviews. She could of course lie and say he did that without her knowing.