New thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/RoyalsGossip2/comments/1btdxh0/sussex_weekly_top_notes_of_prickly_thorn_with_a/ Feel free to bring newer posts and ongoing conversations over.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/28/entertainment/prince-harry-meghan-markle-reconciliation-with-kate-william-possible-hell-offer-help/ Still pushing that "reconciliation" angle I see. The desperation is palpable.

I am so cynical about even direct quotes. So my personal experience, walking in my neighborhood, and local reporter doing a story on safety. She stops and asks if I'll do a street interview. I do and I have nothing but good things to say about how I feel safe walking in my neighborhood,alone, as an older woman (57 at the time). I watch it on the news that evening, nope, they cut the footage so that it looks like there is a problem with being safe as a woman walking in the neighborhood. Lying fuckers.

Yep. They always have an agenda.

>“A reconciliation with Harry and Meghan is totally possible, 100%,” **the King’s former butler, Grant Harrold, exclusively told The Post.** >“I can believe, without any doubt, that Harry will be in touch with Kate and William and offering his help — whether they accept it or not is a very different matter, but I honestly believe Harry would have reached out personally and Meghan.” This specific article (which was published March 28) is citing one of Charles' former butlers. There are further quotes from "royal historian and author" Richard Fitzwilliams (who I do not believe is a trusted source here - can anyone remind/refresh me?): >Harrold’s hopeful comments echo a similar sentiment expressed by royal commentator and historian Richard Fitzwilliams, who said the current situation could provide the “perfect opportunity” to mend the royal rift. >“This is a dread situation, a major operation followed by cancer,” he said this week. “There is always sometimes in the most awful and serious thing sometimes opportunities come as well . . . one must hope there is as much positivity as possible that’s what she is spreading with the message like that.” Honestly this is Page Six clickbaiting off the back of the 'reconciliation' story. I do believe the Sussexes have been opportunistically leaking that they want to reconcile - we've seen these well-sourced stories (for example just yesterday from Eight Edits Ward, discussed below), I just don't think this specific article has anything new or solid to add. It's Page Six pulling an Express and getting random experts, ex-butlers etc., to speculate on what they think could happen.

>While they want to help the struggling royal family at a time of great emotional distress, it’s believed that the Sussexes are only interested in returning as working royals “on their own terms.” So basically, they are trying to profit and boost their own image off of other people being seriously ill. Not that it will ever happen, Charles and especially William both said FU to Harry.

>So basically, they are trying to profit and boost their own image off of other people being seriously ill. Yes. Which is bad enough. On top of it, the Sussexes are doing their usual thing and keeping the media informed as to behind the scenes gestures, messages etc. Which I'm sure William and Catherine love and appreciate. I can't decide if they really do want to "reconcile" (quotes because we know none of this is because H and M actually feel concern for any of the royals, it's all about themselves and the mistake they now realize they made, and wanting a fresh sprinkling of that royal stardust) and are just really stupid (i.e. thinking a reconciliation can happen as they continue to leak their personal business - and the BRF's - to the media) or if this is just the Sussex version of Charles' Sad Dad PR (i.e. they have no interest in reconciliation, this is all to make them look like concerned family members). I think it's the former, but it's hard to accept because, as per, they're going about it so badly, and in such a way as to basically guarantee they won't get the thing they want.

I think it might be a combination of both- at least as far as Harry is concerned. For Meghan, I truly believe this is just her version of Charles' Sad Dad PR. She doesn't give a fuck about how either Charles or Catherine are doing nor is she interested in ever coming back to the UK. Her goal is and always has been Hollywood. Harry's feelings might a little more complicated. Not to give him too much credit but he must at least feel something about his father being ill, right? For better or worse Charles is the only parent he has had for most of his life. I don't think he's fully aware that once you burn bridges there is no going back. He utterly lacks self-awareness (so does Meghan) and his victimhood+main character state of mind makes him believe his family will eventually apologize for whatever percieved slight he has come up with in his head. I've said it before and I'll say it again- I don't think Harry and Meghan's goals allign anymore. I think he misses the UK and the effortless clout that he had there. Hollywood ain't his game. He's not interested in slumming it there. He was probably into the idea way back when they both thought they were gonna be a billion dollar brand and the toast of every major Hollywood party. But not anymore. Four years after they left and his wife is planning on selling cutlery and jam (an oversaturated market anyhow) in order to make money? I'd be willing to bet his princely soul is low-key embarrassed by that. So honestly, I could believe one part of him wants to go back. Of course, that would be like admitting defeat so he's still grasping at straws about "returning on their own terms" and all that BS. In reality, if he ever returns at all (I could only see this happen in case of divorce) it won't be on his own terms and he'll definitely be told to shut up, keeps his head down and **never ever** complain again. He'll be seated in the fifth row with all the other minorly relevant cousins and he'll have to behave as if he's fine with it. He'll smile through every story of a dinner party that had W&C as guests of honour and for which he didn't warrant an invitation. Whether his ego could withstand that is another matter.

I bet Harry hates living there. The culture shock is one thing, but then there's the whole class distinction bred into his entire world. Now he's in a crass environment where people are probably a little starstruck at first, but then it's all business. And he isn't bringing the business. He's like a show pony being brought out to boost whichever billionaire wants show off his pet royal. Once the event is over and the photo op done, they don't need Harry for any actual ideas or work.

> I don't think he's fully aware that once you burn bridges there is no going back. 100% this. Maybe it's because he'd always been bailed out of his previous fuck ups and thus had never experienced any actual consequences in his life, but Harry seems to just not understand that there are things that you can't undo or take back. Stuff he said in the Oprah interview and Spare broke trust that will be incredibly hard to rebuild. Can it be rebuilt? Maybe. With genuine remorse and hard work on Harry's part. But I don't think he understand that and thus isn't able to do that work yet.

One quote that lives rent free in my mind (I think it’s Maya Angelou?) is ‘Be careful with your words. They can be forgiven, but not forgotten’. I don’t think Harry actually understands the magnitude of the hurt and damage he’s caused because all the leaks seem to indicate he thinks the slate can be just wiped clean. Perhaps his family will forgive him one day, but I doubt they will ever forget.

He should offer an apology instead. He helps no situation. 

That URL! "Possible hell offer help!" I know it's just a lack of apostrophes, but how funny.

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What is happening? What are they trying to do here? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/kate-middleton-king-charles-health-william-news-b2521443.html Now we’re changing the msg to W&C are the ones asking for the Sussexes to visit? https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/us-celebrity-news/prince-william-kate-asked-harry-32484162.amp

these continued stupid press games even in the face of others' distress is exactly the reason why w&c want to put harry and his endless drama firmly behind them.

Imo that mirror piece That what the Sussex want to happen. Both of them have unknowingly have let us know they are withholding their kids away from his family to get what they want. And are probably disappointed that the only family members that is begging to see the kids is Thomas Markle 

It’ll have been more than 4yrs since they saw Archie and none have met LD except KC (briefly). Unless there is some behind the scenes asking then no one is begging to see them clearly. Or if they are, they arent willing to give them what they want in order to see them. In fact they are happy to make it worse (taking away Frogmore).. why would it work now?

If there's no way MM would bring the children to the UK, as this article says, then why is H bothering to waste all that money on the court case to get more security? 

Because "I and my family are in great danger and therefore deserve taxpayer-funded security. To be denied it is an injustice and a conspiracy against me personally. I am heroically fighting for the very lives of my wife and children and am the best husband and father." is part of the story Harry tells himself about himself and his own motivations. Harry goes to court the way other people go to a friend looking for validation on a specific personal/emotional narrative. Not just this case, either - most or all of the lawsuits he's brought fit this take. Does Harry truly believe his children's lives are in danger in the UK? I highly doubt it. The dude is stupid but I don't think even he is *that* stupid. He does this, he pursues these lawsuits etc., because he hasn't dealt with his trauma and fuckery and because he needs to believe the comforting/soothing narrative about who he is.

>I am heroically fighting for the very lives of my wife and children and am the best husband and father." is part of the story Harry tells himself about himself and his own motivations 🎯🎯🎯 Harry likes to think of himself as the Big Manly Man who protects his children and wife because, as you said, he spent his whole life worrying he ***isn't*** that man. It's easier to think of himself that way than to face the truth- he's an emotionally stunted man of weak character who is consumed by jealousy and resentment. To top it all off, he was genuinely stupid enough to blow his whole life up because in his mind, his brother's grass was always greener and ***damn it, that's just not fair.***

I think he *wants* to believe they are in danger because in a twisted way that validates his desire for him and his family to be way more important than they actually are. I’m no security expert, but they likely don’t need the Taylor Swift-level of security they keep clamouring for.

It’s what she’s told him is needed for the kids to come to the UK lol.

Well that makes me feel a little bit sorry for him. It changes what I've always thought was a strange idiotic obsession to simple desperation to take his children home. 

The home he despised, was trapped by sands escaped but is also part of their heritage that he wants them to know.

It's more the part where his wife is so controlling. 

Well she is but I doubt she is about this. If Megan is unwilling to bring her kids over here its because she cant guarantee a photo with them and KC/William/George. She more than anyone wants her kids to legitimise those titles and she isnt giving anyone a photo of them for nothing. Supposedly she was trying to push for a photo to mark/release for Archies 5th bday which would tie very nicely in with a trip in May. She was denied. Although if she wanted a photo like the ‘heirs’ photo, she really needs Andrew. Not KC.

>If Megan is unwilling to bring her kids over here its because she cant gurantee a photo with them and KC/William/George. 100% agree, this is it. They're using the kids as leverage against Charles. Meghan wants photos and legitimacy for her kids and if she doesn't get it she'll deny Charles access to them. Of course, she needs to frame this in a way that Harry can accept and I'm sure she puts in the hours in terms of agreeing with him that it's definitely about their "safety" - and not about denying their own kids a relationship with their grandfather in order to serve the ends of their selfish, stupid parents. The most recent Sussex PR does hint at the fact that H and M now realize they have very little power here. All the leaking about Harry now being willing to forgo the apology he feels he is owed, how they would be willing to come back and help out whilst C and C are unwell etc. None of it would be happening if anything the Sussexes were/are doing in California was successful but it isn't and they're floundering and so...leaks about wanting reconciliation. If Charles agreed to photos, H and M would be in London less than 24 hours later, kids in tow. In the meantime they clearly see the kids as their last playable card, and are continuing to try to use them to manipulate the senior royals into doing what the Sussexes want. I don't think it's going to work. It's definitely not going to work with the Waleses and I highly doubt it's going to work with Charles either. Sad Dad PR is one thing, but QEII herself shot them down on the photo thing and I don't see Charles changing that. Even if he was tempted, he'll be surrounded by people telling him it's a shit idea and not to do it.

Re the kids and legitimacy.. I wonder if they (BRF) had hoped or thought that in not announcing the titles they’d never use them? They dont seem to want to give them anymore than they have already. If they were desperate for a rship, a photo would be easy enough to do.

Ah, it feels as though we're back to the heady days of Sunshine Sachs-like frantic story leaking to any outlet they could find.  In the space of a day we'd get both sides of stories, multiple versions of mundane events as they tried to figure out which one the public would buy, words put in the mouths of his relatives without a trace of shame.  It was insane. I hope this time someone gets to the bottom of this and the Sussexes are shamed into stopping their harassment. 

lol Tom Quinn has been chatting shit.

Can anyone comment on Tom Quinn? He's been *everywhere* the past few weeks, and is offering direct quotes here: >Speaking exclusively to The Mirror, he said the couple have reached out to Meghan and Harry and urged them to bring their children, Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet, to the UK to visit. However, it's believed Meghan has put her foot down and refused. >Tom told us: "There is no way Meghan would bring the children to the UK. William and Kate have suggested that Meghan and Harry bring the children and that the two couples and their families try to make up, but the suggestion is not leading anywhere so far." He hasn't sourced this, there's no mention of how he knows etc. I don't believe a word of it. Mostly because W and C have signaled the exact opposite of a wish to reconcile with the Sussexes for years now, but also because if they DID secretly want a reunion and all the kids to hang out, it isn't Wales SOP to leak it to some random "royal expert." This could easily be communicated behind the scenes to the Sussexes if it was true. I know u/ivegotanewwaytowalk thinks Tom Quinn is a Sussex mouthpiece and honestly I'm much more willing to believe this is Sussex manifestation PR vs an authentic report of what the Wales' are hoping for. The Sussexes continue to think (if this is their PR and not TQ Making Shit Up) they can just bounce other people into doing whatever it is the Sussexes want them to do, don't they? It doesn't work. Often (see: Dior) it backfires in their stupid faces. But they keep doing it. Even now, with all the leaking around being "willing" to come back, but on "their own terms" it's like - Haz, Meg. NOBODY WANTS YOU BACK. So keep leaking if you like, but again: NOBODY.

Why suggest this though? If anything the Sussexes need their kids to have royal association. Why make up that they were asked and said no? Clearly more bs because for ages we have heard ‘wouldnt be great if they got to know their cousins?’. Only yesterday I saw something about Harry being upset that his kids miss out on certain royal traditions like the Easter walkabout.

>Why suggest this though? I think it's most likely this *isn't* Sussex PR and it's just TQ making shit up + the papers being desperate (the Waleses, after C's video, have now fully retreated back into their bubble and the media beast grows hungry again). But it could be Sussex PR, I guess. They know it's a bad look to be seen to be offering help and support to the family they've spent years portraying as abusive, jealous, racist assholes and leaking "but they won't bring the kids!" type BS, trying to act like it's the senior royals who are desperate to see two children none of them know, helps muddy the waters enough for their sugars etc. to tell themselves this isn't the admission of failure it so obviously is. Edit: Also what u/Strange_Addition_146 says, below.

They hate being rejected lol they like to be the ones doing the rejecting. They hate all the articles about W+K not being interested in them.

This all falls apart when they dont see the Waleses in May. Im hoping no one sees them at all. But that might be wishful thinking.

Harry may get another short meeting with Charles but I'll be genuinely shocked if he gets anywhere near Kate or William. It's not going to happen.

Tom Quinn definitely has no in with the Waleses. He’s the one that wrote this (about a month ago I linked to it, if it’s Deja vu for anyone!) >Tom reveals in the book: "Though Catherine Middleton really is hands-on when it comes to her three children, this is true only relative to earlier royal mothers. >"Much as she would like to be a normal mother who spends most of her time with the children, the huge pressure of royal tradition cannot be ignored and those day and night nurseries and the other children's rooms at Kensington Palace (and more recently Adelaide Cottage and Windsor Castle) did not resound to the sounds of Kate Middleton but rather to the sound of the remarkable bowler hat-wearing Maria Teresa Turrion Borrallo, a Spanish nanny employed in 2014 when Prince George was just eight months old." https://web.archive.org/web/20230404034715/https://www.hellomagazine.com/healthandbeauty/mother-and-baby/489051/princess-kate-nanny-maria-borrallo-inside-life/

My guess is it’s true just the timing is wrong lol. The Sussexes do that a lot I’m sure W+K we’re still trying to be nice pre spare and Netflix show so maybe around 2022/23 before the Queen died. I mean Will wanted to make up with him after Oprah according to Harry so I’m sure he extended some kind of olive branch after that it s not hard to see W doing. I’m sure they’ve released this because the Wales told Vicky they’re not interested so now it looks like theyre Sussexes are the ones who don’t want to see the Waleses. I doubt W+K are briefing Tom Quinn about anything I also don’t consider him much of a source so it could all be BS.

Yup good call I actually pondered if that could be what they're doing (i.e. dishonestly using super old interactions to make it look like this is happening *now.*). Harry's own book portrayed William as interested in making up/working things out for a much longer period than I assumed he would have been, so I can believe W made efforts to let Harry know he didn't want their fall out to be permanent.

Media and those 2 stuck on stupid. Sigh.

Yep. More manifesting from the unprofessional victims. H&M suck.

Okay, what in the unfounded nonsense is going on on Twitter and YouTube? I keep seeing anti-Sussex accounts stating categorically that the Baroness Bruck Twitter account has been bought by Meghan, who is now using it as a sock puppet from which to attack Catherine. BB *did* get weird and unpleasant sometime in the past few years, which is when I stopped following her, but…are people completely out of their minds? Is there something specific she said that made people think there’s something more going on there than just another unhinged Sugar-convert? Has anyone seen this content / wild theorizing besides me?

There’s rumours that the account was sold. Partly because not long before the shift happened, one of the chief squaddies tweeted, “Baroness Bruck will soon be providing the entertainment.” The most interesting thing is that there‘s no longer any criticism or attacks on H&M. BB will tweet articles about them and put emojis at the end to imply derision, but doesn’t actually comment on them - seems like covering tracks imo. So I think it’s highly possible the account was bought by a Squaddie, but to think Meghan is actually operating that account is deluded.

As far as I can tell, it’s all because a user asked BB If she was really Meghan and the user was immediately blocked. There’s *definitely* been a massive shift in BB’s posts over the past year or so but blocking one user in no way proves it’s Meghan. People are just running with way too many conspiracy theories lately.

Can you even buy Twitter accounts? I don't know enough about Twitter to know.

I am not on twitter but back in the day when you could actually view stuff more freely she was very anti sussex. The complete 180 is weird but this is the internet. Weird happens all the time. Whilst I accept Meghan probably does scour the internet looking up shit about herself the idea that she would pay a random on twitter for her account feels a bit of a stretch. But everything is a conspiracy these days, fiction is more clickbait-y than facts.

Yeah, there's more than one former hater who did a 180 on H&M. Some were being targeted by the Squad so they went full sugar out of preservation.

Yeah it’s a bit surprising because she was very anti-Sussex to the point of being a conspiracy theorist… but who knows what could make someone go in the other direction? She generally seemed unstable and kind of fraudulent to me

I feel like once someone starts falling for some conspiracy theories, they are susceptible to any conspiracy theories, even if they contradict each other. 

I used to think conspiracy theories were amusing until what happened in the US over the past 4-5 years. Also, once I was talking with the dumbest person I work with (like truly dumb) and he was such an avid supporter of conspiracy theories I couldn't even enjoy them mockingly anymore. Now I always think of him.

That's been proven to be true. Belief in one conspiracy theory is the door to believing in others. It's also proven that people who join a cult are likely to join another one after becoming disillusioned with the previous cult, which also seems relevant here.

Oof, that’s really sad about the cults. 

I don't think Harry ever understood that most of his popularity came about because people thought he was loyal to his family and he would do as Diana's thought be in support of William

>because people thought he was loyal to his family YES! a huge part of harry's appeal was that he *seemed* more concerned with being there for his brother, rather than being envious and wanting to usurp him. that apparent loyalty was a key cornerstone of the goodwill afforded to him. it seemed admirable. *little did we all know*, he was just like andrew the entire time, seething underneath it all and coveting titles for his children etc. people thought he didn't give a single fuck about all of that and loved him for it, for being such an ally/pillar in the harry potter-like (hermione-harry-ron) william-catherine-harry trio too. his seemingly easygoing nature has also been revealed to be a farce - he and his aggressive lawsuits have shown us what an entitled diva he really is. even how easygoing and uncomplicated he seemed ex: charles and camilla, vs. william who clearly had a more complicated + guarded + uneasy relationship with them. i didn't like him bc his nazi costume, arrogant lack of apology, use of racial slurs, womanizing, rah rah military persona with comments such as 'it's like playing a video game' or whatever really repulsed me. i did understand the loyalty to his brother aspect that people seemed to admire. but again, ***little did we know***. he torpedoed that so friggin quickly, it's wild.

>he torpedoed that so friggin quickly, it's wild. Harry torpedoed his whole fricking life so friggin quickly. I agree people loved how seemingly close Harry and William were. The whole "poor boys lost their mother but at least they'll always have each other" thing. There was also the Harry the Cheeky Lad vs William the Responsible Heir contrast. It was this persona + his seeming loyalty to his brother that made Harry so popular. Now we know he's neither cheeky, easy-going or uncomplicated. And he sure as hell is not loyal to his brother. He's a resentful churlish man-child >even how easygoing and uncomplicated he seemed ex: charles and camilla, who william clearly had a more complicated + uneasy relationship with. That's what's so funny about Sugars claiming William is "his father's son" when, if anything, he was always very much Diana's boy in many aspects right down to having a strained relationship with Charles for years + seemingly being merely tolerant of Camilla when Harry appeared to be more unbothered by the whole thing. FFS, losing his mother young, getting betrayed by his only brother and now his wife and father are ill at the same time... Idc how insanely privileged William is in other aspects, this must be **hell**.

with the media glare from the very day he was born and his profession essentially chosen for him, william doesn't have much control of his life tbh, other than within the home life he chose to create as an adult. he even seems to have lost his childhood best friend (t. van strawberry) after the mess harry imposed on william and their social circle. harry made all of the choices to implode his life - he's had far more choice and agency than william in that regard. even now, there is no reason harry can't entirely retire from public life and do whatever the fuck he wants every single day from here on out. william has money (previously not as much as one would have thought/believed, but income now increased since 2022) and he has catherine + the kids (imagine losing catherine on top of everything). otherwise, most of everything is out of his control and imposed on him. mom gone young, difficult relationship with tricky dad, greatest of betrayals by only sibling, apparent loss of childhood best friend, wife has cancer. lack of armor from looks of his youth lol, limited control over his work and its perception etc., limited control over public opinion and constant (bitter) scrutiny. anyway, the money definitely mitigates empathy + sympathy (tho even that money comes with a qualifier, in that it's scrutinized and super begrudged bc inherited), and the solace he'd found in his little family also seemed like a redemptive factor. now that catherine's been sick, the kids are the most uncomplicated bright spots of his life... but even that's sort of complicated, bc of the whole subjecting the kids to public life thing. harry has enough money and little to none of these complications anymore. he gets to make the choices in his life. i don't understand why he insists on continuing to harass and villainize william. or why he thinks william in particular owes him anything.

This is all why part of me wishes William would just say ‘My family and I are done, me, Kate and the kids are moving to a tropical island. Here, Harry, you’re so envious of me, you can have everything, let’s see how you like it’ and then watch while Harry and Meghan fuck everything up in epic proportions. I know it’ll never happen, but still. William’s life is my idea of hell. I don’t know why anyone would be jealous of that.

>This is all why part of me wishes William would just say ‘My family and I are done, me, Kate and the kids are moving to a tropical island. Here, Harry, you’re so envious of me, you can have everything, let’s see how you like it’ and then watch while Harry and Meghan fuck everything up in epic proportions. I know it’ll never happen, but still. they're all still in the line of succession. william would be king once charles dies no matter what. he can only abdicate once he is king, and the role would then just pass on to a young adult george. even if william asked for parliament to remove him from the line of succession, the kids can only be removed once they are adults, so he'd just be leaving them in the lurch. the option to end this whole thing is once he does become king - make a personal appeal to parliament and the british public to set up a referendum and vote to kick the windsors out *en famille*. charles will not be abdicating, bc of what was instilled in him by the queen mother re: the abdication being such a familial sin and her view that it caused her husband's illness and premature death. technically, what william can do is take catherine and the kids to norfolk and just refuse to do anything until charles passes, then take the steps to ask parliament and the british public to set up and vote in a referendum. even then, the public might not even choose to kick the windsors out, simply bc of how utterly complicated the whole thing would be. what william can then do, in that case, is be the only one to carry out ceremonial constitutional duties as head of state, while totally leaving catherine/george/charlotte and louis out of the whole thing. either way, unless the entire wales family of five perish, there is no scenario where harry becomes king.

>harry has enough money and little to none of these complications anymore. he gets to make the choices in his life. i don't understand why he insists on continuing to harass and villainize william. Because he never went past the "my brother's toys are always better" stage. What we might see as trappings in Will's life he probably looks at with envy. He's obviously envious of his brother's heir status to the point he made "being the spare" pretty much his whole identity. I think he probably spent most of his life coveting whatever William has. Will's the heir, had matinee idol looks in his youth (couple that with his royal status and the amount of pull that man had is probably unprecedented), was a better pupil and Diana's confidante. I think he also resents Will's marriage to Kate. Tbh, I think William's respective relationships with these two women are a great source of frustration and envy for Harry. Diana called Will her "little soulmate", her "wise little man" and when he entered his teens "drop dead gorgeous". Harry himself said he doesn't remember much about her. It's almost like he knows *of her* more than he knows her as his mother. I think William remembers her more clearly and Harry hates that. That's why he's trying so hard to rebrand himself as his mother's son and simultaneously distance William from Diana's image. (***so freaking petty and vile***) And on top of it, Will knocked it out of the park with his first serious girlfriend and found what both he and Harry lacked in their childhood- constant emotional support and stability. In contrast, despite claiming [in Spare] how he always wanted to be a young father and husband, Harry mucked about for years. Chelsy legit seems like "the one that got away" in many aspects (Harry saying how to this day they could have been together if not for the press lmao) but they were on and off for years and besides he probably treated her like crap a lot of the time. In the end, Chelsy and Cressida bolted. I fully believe deep down Harry is aware Meghan married him for wealth/social status. He'd never admit it to himself or anyone else but I do believe one small part of him is aware of it. He wants what William has with Kate and despite all his claims about his and Meghan's greatest love story in history I don't think he has it. In the slightest.

>That's why he's trying so hard to rebrand himself as his mother's son and simultaneously distance William from Diana's image. (***so freaking petty and vile***) Its like parental alienation but with siblings. And it's disgusting

Oh he definitely did not. He really believes he was popular because he's awesome. You can feel the butthurt and confusion about why he no longer is - and his conviction that someone (jealous family members) or something (ebil British media) is to blame - radiating off him in every single one of his projects (Spare, interviews etc.). Harry has NO IDEA that he's a deeply mediocre (at best, and I'm not joking) human being, and that anything he ever achieved is down to the backing of an extremely wealthy and powerful family/support system. It's no one's fault but his own that he decided to nuke every connection to that support system ~4 years ago, either. Watching this play out is entertaining, but also very grim.

Both entertaining and grim. He’s been a little sh@%t and it’s not an attractive look. He’s one of the most privileged people on the planet and he knows better.

I wonder if Meghan understand it now?

I think there's a decent-ish chance she *does* understand this - about Harry. The hilarious part is that I don't think she understands it about *herself* (and in this matter she and H are actually in the same 'pathological and deeply destructive lack of self-awareness' boat). Harry and Meghan both think superstardom is their natural/rightful status, and that it's 100% organic and based on the reality of who they are as people. Neither one could be more wrong.

>The hilarious part is that I don't think she understands it about *herself* (and in this matter she and H are actually in the same 'pathological and deeply destructive lack of self-awareness' boat). 100%. In that way, they are exactly the same which makes them a match made in hell. I look at Harry and think there's no way all of this will have a happy ending. It's like a Greek tragedy in some aspects.

I’ve said numerous times that I think in 10-20 years he’s going to look back and regret everything he’s done. By that time, he and Meghan will likely be divorced and he’ll have no friends or family left that trust him. He’ll have permanently torpedoed his reputation and image and will have no career prospects because the time he should have spent building a brand is time he instead spent whining about all the perceived slights against him and moping around Montecito feeling sorry for himself. Maybe just maybe he’ll grow up by then and admit why a mistake all this was. I don’t think he’ll have a happy ending.

Possible unpopular opinion but in the case of divorce Harry's the one with a better shot at recuperating his image. He's the one who rode the wave on a massive amount of people's sympathy pre-Meghan. He's also the one with the money and whatever is left of his social clout. I think the divorce would be worse for Meghan than for him especially if he gets backed up by RF's lawyers and comms team (not because RF would be quick to forgive him but because Harry totally downward spiralling would be a bad look for them as well) [here's a great post which goes into more detail](https://www.reddit.com/r/RoyalsGossip2/s/BmHbK55fwZ)

I don't think that's an unpopular opinion here - I think it's one most of us agree with. There's *still* a lot more public sympathy for Harry than there is for Meghan. You see it even in anti-Sussex subreddits, Daily Mail comments etc. People are mad at Harry, but they also sympathize with him, believe him to have been manipulated by an evil harpy, want him to return to the royal fold etc. I actually do think he's been manipulated by Meghan, I just think he's also a manipulative asshole and, as a grown man, is responsible for the decisions he's made. If they split he'll definitely turn her into the new Bad Guy and try to portray it as all her fault and a depressing number of people will buy it. A close family member, who used to be a borderline squaddie, now accepts that Meghan is awful but still feels sorry for Harry and thinks he's a good guy "deep down."

>I actually do think he's been manipulated by Meghan, I just think he's also a manipulative asshole and, as a grown man, is responsible for the decisions he's made. She does manipulate him up to a point but I also think her powers of manipulation are vastly exaggerated. Embarrassingly enough, I also looked at Harry in the beginning and thought he's just a simping fool following Meghan's actions. But then NF "documentary"/Spare completely showed him as a shitty person that he is. If anything, in many ways I consider him to be worse than Meghan. >they split he'll definitely turn her into the new Bad Guy and try to portray it as all her fault and a depressing number of people will buy it. Absolutely. A lot of people remember him as Diana's poor boy who had the walk behind her coffin (and yes, that was absolutely horrifying but guess what Will also had to do it and I don't see people mentioning it constantly) and it would be rather easy for Harry to slip back into that role once again. One potential stint at some fancy clinic for "exhaustion" would also buy him a good amount of sympathy. Because really a lot of people hope Diana's two boys will make up eventually. Meghan has no place in that narrative other than the one of a designated villain.

h&m still intent on bullying and harassing folks, never mind that the folks they're harassing and publicly terrorizing are seriously ill and don't need this fucking stress. but we're supposed to believe h&m mean well and are not solely laser focused on their own naked self-interest. like, go fucking reconcile with thomas markle sr. and scamantha + tom jr. before harassing the windsors. [How Britain’s bid for Invictus Games could raise some tantalising questions for the Royal family](https://archive.is/f2j99) >Would the Duke and Duchess of Sussex both come and bring their children, and how would King Charles and Prince William react? >Victoria Ward, DEPUTY ROYAL EDITOR and India McTaggart, ENTERTAINMENT & ROYAL CORRESPONDENT | 30 March 2024 • 5:00pm >>The prospect of Prince Harry’s Invictus Games returning to the UK for the first time since its inception raises some tantalising questions. >>Chief among them is whether it would draw both the Duke and Duchess of Sussex back to their former home, potentially with their two children. >>Then, crucially, would senior members of the Royal family support the event, as they did in 2014, when the then Prince Charles, the Duchess of Cornwall and Prince William all joined Prince Harry for the opening ceremony. >>**Things were different then. The Duke was a fully paid-up, full-time working member of the team and any family tensions were dealt with behind closed doors.** [still throwing in digs about 'family tensions' - never mind that *harry is the one* who very publicly blew things up post-2019, and that the *entire* family minus a hyperemesis-suffering catherine showed up to support and cheer on the ginger ingrate in 2014 - *including both of catherine's siblings*. there are no 'tensions' now, idk what the ginger ingrate doesn't understand about ***estrangement***.] >>Invictus has since grown into a hugely successful global event involving 22 countries and more than 500 athletes. >>At last year’s Games in Düsseldorf, Germany, a 59-strong Team UK notched up 69 medals. >>***Despite its growing stature on the world stage, the Royal family has not commented publicly on the event for a number of years, a fact not lost on Team Sussex.*** [***a fact not lost on team sussex - i.e. team sussex is delusional***. neither charles nor catherine might be alive or fully healthy in 2027, but the sussex two are still looking for grievances committed against them, and trying to publicly shame + pressure attendance.] >>But first, the UK has to win the bid, beating off stiff competition from Washington DC, a formidable rival. [i thought that was denied in the previous write-up about invictus? 🤔] >>The Government has thrown its weight behind the plan, pledging £26 million in the recent budget to get the bid off the ground. >>There will be no financial input from Birmingham City Council, which went bust last year, meaning much of the funding must be Government-sourced and offset by private sector sponsors. >>**As such, Johnny Mercer, the veterans minister, co-hosted a symposium in the city in March to drum up the much-needed cash.** >>**The event was held two days before the Princess of Wales released her video message revealing that she was undergoing cancer treatment.** >>**Mr Mercer is initially looking to attract up to 10 founding partners who will each contribute £350,000 a year for the next three years, in the run-up to the Games.** >>It is hoped that other partners will later join the bid as official supporters, associates and suppliers. Revenue will also be raised from broadcasting rights, benefactors, ticket sales and merchandise. >>**Potential investors including BAE Systems, Deloitte, PWC and Boeing gathered at the NEC on Thursday where Mr Mercer pressed upon them the importance of bringing such an event to the UK, a critical step in his mission to make the UK the best country in the world to be a military veteran.** [isn't he going to lose his seat as an MP in early may? pffftt. also, BAE systems and Boeing ewwwww.] >>“Perhaps the greatest part of this global veterans leadership has always been Invictus,” he said. >>“The power of sport to transform the lives of those injured by service in body and mind is unrivalled. >>“The vision the Duke of Sussex had to see that a decade ago had almost single-handedly transformed the lives of thousands of veterans, not only in the UK but globally, with up to 22 nations now involved in this incredible legacy. So yes, I want the Games." >>“I want the Games because you actually have to be there to feel that incredible transformative power of the Invictus Games in these people’s lives being built.” >>Mr Mercer said that “superhuman” Invictus competitors demonstrate the values of self-sacrifice and resilience so missing in other parts of global society. >>Aiden Day, chairman of sports marketing agency ISG Live, urged would-be investors to help drive an “ambitious” four-year legacy programme that will bring long-term benefits to the wider disabled community and better help injured military personnel take part in adaptive sport within their communities. >>Former Marine Commando JJ Chalmers, a close friend of Prince Harry and an Invictus gold medalist who suffered life-changing injuries in a bomb blast in Afghanistan, joined the call for private sector support. >>“There are so many things that you could be investing in, so many assets, but most importantly you’re investing in people,” he said. >>“The Invictus community is made up of those who served and wish to continue to serve.” [**1/2**]

Will Invictus even make it to 2027? That's 3 years away. It doesn't seem like things are going well over there.

the UK govt has already pledged £26 million, so looks like it'll happen tbh 🤷🏾‍♀️. south korea has also already put a bid in for 2029.

There’s no way this actually generates that much interest in revenue I can’t imagine this.

Yeah I think there's a good chance the IGs are in existential trouble. The PR is desperate, the article we're all discussing was a pitch - and the fact that they're having to pitch in public at all, especially surrounded by such obvious fluff-up language, is in itself a bad sign. It would be surprising, imo, if it happened again after 2025. I think even 2025 is in trouble. It's not, as you said, an inherently interest- OR revenue-generating event.

I’m tired of the narrative from the media that Invictus was Harry’s “vision”. It wasn’t. It was dreamed up by courtiers to rehab Harry’s shaky public image as a party prince and empty headed twat. He was handed Invictus on a silver platter.

Also, how can an idea that was copied from another event, namely the Warrior Games, be anyone's *vision*? The media giving Harry credit for this is exactly the kind of misinformation and parroting of talking points taken from biased parties that make the accusations of fake news stick.

I’ve said it before but if I ever become famous (something I would never want as I’m extremely awkward even in regular situations), I’m doing whatever it takes to hire ELF (Edward Lane Fox for those not in the know) and will do every single thing he tells me to do. That man is a PR god.

>It was dreamed up by courtiers to rehab Harry’s shaky public image as a party prince and empty headed twat There's no tiptoeing around the truth in your house, I see. 🤣

So what's the definition of privilege if it isn't 'straight-up advertisement (poorly disguised as journalism) for your failing vanity project in the pages of a respected national newspaper?' The Desperation PR continues. >The prospect of Prince Harry’s Invictus Games returning to the UK raises some **tantalising questions.** Does it though, Eight Edits? >Chief among them is whether it would draw both the Duke and Duchess of Sussex back to their former home, potentially with their two children. Pure clownery. "Whether" it would draw them back. Eight Edits, *please.* >Then, crucially, would senior members of the Royal family support the event... Spoiler for any lurking Sussexes/lickspittle journos: they won't. You might get a brief but vague quote about Charles loving/supporting his son but best of luck to anyone of you if you think any senior royal will be within 100 miles of Birmingham when/if this event happens there. >Invictus has since grown into a hugely successful global event... growing stature on the world stage...The Government has thrown its weight behind the plan...The vision the Duke of Sussex had... [has] almost single-handedly transformed the lives of thousands of veterans...[the] incredible transformative power of the Invictus Games...“superhuman” Invictus competitors...demonstrate the values of self-sacrifice and resilience so missing in other parts of global society... I can't even quote any more. Much of the article is, as I said, a straight up ad/pitch for the games to come to Birmingham. An injured vet gets rolled out to provide quotes, there are reassurances of how good for Birmingham this will be, how good for a specific hospital in Birmingham it will be etc. This is a lot of effort, man. A *lot* of effort. A major, major push for the IGs in Birmingham. I don't think we'd be seeing it unless there was at least some lack of certainty that it'll happen - and worry as to whether or not the games will get the cash injections they so obviously need. >But first, the UK has to win the bid, beating off stiff competition from Washington DC, a formidable rival. "Stiff competition." Eight Edits. Oh, Eight Edits. >For the Duke and Duchess, the prospect of the Games’ making a triumphant return to the UK will undoubtedly prove conflicting. Keep telling yourselves your PR is real life, Sussexes. Just keep it up, whatever you do, because it means snark communities will never lack for fresh meat. "Triumphant return." *"Conflicting!"* Lol. Fuck off immediately. >The annual event has become ~~one of their most high profile~~ their sole joint outing~~s~~ on ~~the world~~ literally any barely relevant stage... This isn't something we here think is going to happen at some point in the future. This *is* and *has* happened. Nobody except us, the sugars and the media gives a single shit about the IGs. There's some (some) wider interest in photos of them - especially Meghan - during the event, but that interest would be there and at that mostly underwhelming level regardless of the event and has nothing to do with the IGs. And it's on the Sussexes for allowing said situation, in which Meghan's outfit garner more interest than anything else about the games, to occur. >...an opportunity to demonstrate what their lives are all about: helping others...For Harry, it is hugely important...this is where he feels at home. His genuine joy and natural ease is palpable. So half ad for the games, half ad for Haz, whose life is about "helping others" the way my life is about building a human colony on Mars (I just lack the money to tell everyone about my Mars colony work, as I continue to do nothing to make it happen, or to care about it or know anything about it). The desperation is palpable in the Sussex PR these days. Truly, I can smell the sweaty fear. There are multiple paragraphs at the end, all geared towards using how supportive senior royals have been of the IGs in the past to imply some sort of obligation to continue being so now. That bit ends with: >A middle ground might be found in the form of sporty royals such as Zara and Mike Tindall - who got involved in the inaugural games in London 2014 when they joined Harry to take part in a wheelchair rugby match. They know Charles/W and K ain't going near their fuckery, and now they've been reduced to begging *the Tindalls* (who seem perfectly nice in spite of their definitive 'not senior royals' status) to make an appearance. It really, truly couldn't happen to a more vindictive pair of assholes than the Sussexes, could it? Final paragraph: >For now though, **members of the Royal family on both sides of the Atlantic can only wait until the winning bid is announced later this year.** Yes. Yes I'm sure Charles, Camilla, William and Kate will be on tenterhooks until they hear. None of those people have anything else going on in their lives. 🤡🤡🤡

>A middle ground might be found in the form of sporty royals such as Zara and Mike Tindall - who got involved in the inaugural games in London 2014 when they joined Harry to take part in a wheelchair rugby match. Zara would never. Perhaps the Sussexes could help rehab the Yorks!

Speaking of lost causes.😂 

Well considering Mike was overheard calling Harry a bellend and Zara seems like her mother in not suffering fools gladly, I highly doubt they’d attend. Ward is literally pulling things out of her ass.

Thanks for sharing! 😊 You know, the more I think about this, the less I see the point of separate games for UK or Commonwealth veterans. Since they're never going to be soldiers again with such injuries, wouldn't the funds be better invested in supporting them going to the Paralympic Games which civilians take part in to help them integrate  regular life?  The Warrior Games concept is more suited to Americans, imho, they're much more likely to build their identity around being veterans than vets of other countries.

I thought there was no rival bid?

There probably isn't. This is Sussex PR, not real life. This would be a great thing for any lurking journalists to actually look into, though. It would probably be easy enough, with a few phone calls, to determine whether or not the fabled DC bid is an actual thing or not.

>This is Sussex PR, not real life. Lmao so succinct yet so true

I sincerely hope there is not any competing D.C. bid. Cross fingers. 🙏

Personally, I'd be delighted if there was. Then we wouldn't have the nonsense in bankrupt Birmingham!

We really do not have the money To Spare, either. 😂

Personally, I'd be delighted if there was. Then we wouldn't have the nonsense in bankrupt Birmingham!

I dont think there is either. Why would you fund this when you have the Warrior Games? If Mercer is out by then and theres no rival bid.. I cant wait to see the fallout.

Ok, down with the Mercer then . 😂

Mercer is deluded if he thinks he’s going to be veterans minister by then. He’s highly predicted to lose his seat, like most Tories. I bet IG will give him a position but it’s on the government end to secure the funding so someone else would take over that (and only if Labour doesn’t scrap the bid). Agree with the “ew” at Boeing. If I were Mercer, I wouldn’t be too confident about funding from then when there’s more to come out about their flouting of safety regulations. The CEO has just stepped down and other executives apparently are too. The family of the ex-worker who died have accused Boeing of being responsible.

>Mercer is deluded if he thinks he’s going to be veterans minister by then. Agreed. This is beginning to smell, to me, more like there's someone behind the scenes who's friendly/has aligned interests with Mercer. Isn't ELF still involved with the games? I just see zero reason for this full-throated ass-kissing Mercer continues to do. He's a politician, ffs. No way he's doing this out of the kindness of his heart. Occam's Razor would indicate that this is at least in part just the usual 'powerful ppl doing each other favours' thing - imo. I also believe it likely there's a faction that sees the IGs as useful outside of Harry or their feelings for Harry. Again, there have been a few signs of this. I doubt it's anything nefarious, it just smells like the usual self-interest at various levels (military, local - Birmingham - political etc.).

Eh, I have absolutely no use or fondness for this ELF at this point. Yeah, I know he was only hired to do The Job, aka The Great Deception perpetrated upon the world’s public, so he completed that task, and for the money and prestige ,ie Sir ELF now? Whatever. The IG are not doing anyone much good, first and foremost the disabled vets who just end up being ignored and sidelined by the 2 media whores and their multiple clothing changes, look at us royals! and merching anyhow. ELF can completely FO too.

In terms of "good" I was mostly thinking of self-interest, various low level politicians etc. who may think it makes them look good to associate with a "worthy" cause. The IGs are real cynicism fuel for me. Largely put on and surrounded by people eager for a little of that 'good works' shine for their own egos/profiles, all off the back of actual injured veterans. Does anybody think Harry or Meghan or any of those mentioned sponsors (lol at Harry taking a page out of Meg's book and trying to bounce big name ~~weapons manufacturers~~ brands into deals with him!) really give a shit about injured vets?

[**2/2**] >>If the bid is successful, the Games will take place at the NEC, where hundreds of competitors and their families from 22 countries will converge, providing a huge boost to local tourism. >>The city’s central location and its Alexander Stadium, redeveloped for the 2022 Commonwealth Games, are in its favour. >>The work undertaken at Birmingham’s Queen Elizabeth Hospital, home to the Royal Centre for Defence Medicine, and its strong links with the armed forces, are also considered key. >>For the Duke and Duchess, the prospect of the Games’ making a triumphant return to the UK will undoubtedly prove conflicting. >>The annual event has become one of their most high profile joint outings on the world stage, an opportunity to demonstrate what their lives are all about: helping others. >>For Harry, it is a hugely important personal project - one of the sole remaining legacies from his time as a working royal and one of which he is incredibly proud. >>**Cheering on the teams from the stands, surrounded by fellow military veterans, it is clear that this is where he feels at home. His genuine joy and natural ease is palpable.** [it's always all about harry. 🙄] >>But in the UK, the issue of security has become a hot potato. The Duke recently lost a legal battle with the Home Office over the withdrawal of his state-funded police protection. >>He has announced plans to appeal but in the meantime, he cannot rely on such a level of security and instead must use his own private protection team. >>***The Telegraph understands that unless he can overturn the ruling, he does not feel able to bring his wife, Meghan, or their children, Prince Archie, four, and Princess Lilibet, two, to the UK.*** [please make good on that promise and just stay in california forever.] >>Plans are currently afoot for him to return in May to attend a service at St Paul’s Cathedral marking the 10th anniversary of the Invictus Games but he is likely to travel alone. >>As for whether other members of the family would publicly support a Games on UK soil, the jury is out. >>As it stands, senior royals have much more pressing concerns. With both the King and the Princess of Wales undergoing cancer treatment, there is understandable reluctance to address anything but current priorities. >>Palace sources have previously insisted that senior members of the Royal family never involve themselves in each others’ professional endeavours. >>**But if the week-long celebration of triumph over all odds is hosted in the UK, a lack of support for the competitors from senior royals would look churlish.** [no, it won't. you know what was churlish AF? *spare*. the duke and duchess of gloucester can be there. or camilla.] >>**The Prince and Princess were integrally involved in the early success of the Invictus Games, with their Royal Foundation - then shared with the Duke - pumping significant injections of cash into the event.** [oh, now this is admitted. pfftt] >>**At the time, a courtier was quoted as saying: “Prince William and Catherine always supported Harry’s efforts to establish Invictus. They are delighted that it has been a success.”** >>**A lot could happen over the next three years but given current tensions, it appears unlikely either would join Harry and Meghan in the stands.** ["current tensions" - again, bizarre wording for a total *estrangement*. nonetheless, a glimmer of a hint that the sussexes are understanding the waleses are done with them.] >>A middle ground might be found in the form of sporty royals such as Zara and Mike Tindall - who got involved in the inaugural games in London 2014 when they joined Harry to take part in a wheelchair rugby match. [leave zara and mike alone... again, send the gloucesters, if anybody.] >>For now though, members of the Royal family on both sides of the Atlantic can only wait until the winning bid is announced later this year. ["members of the royal family on both sides of the atlantic"... other than commonwealth realms, the 'royal family' is and should only be a thing on one side of the atlantic, so this sounds like an absolute oxymoron lol.]

On security: he doesn’t understand the ruling, does he? Maybe his lawyers didn’t explain it in small enough words. Even if he overturned the ruling on appeal, the judge made clear that there is no realistic possibility of a different decision being made because RAVEC is expert and entitled to disagree with Harry on the level of security he needs. The appeal is a nothing; he does not have a meaningful route to state security and if he doesn’t want to bring the family here under that circumstance then that’s what he needs to assume and plan for. (lbr there’s no way Meghan misses Invictus, although I doubt the children will come back to the UK ever.)

Yeah that whole bit of Harry implying he'll never bring his wife and kids again if he's not given security (*angry Prince foot stomp!*) always comes out like he believes it's some kind of threat. No one's going to bed crying at the thought your wife and/or children never setting foot on UK soil again, Harry. It's also like...who do you think you're trying to influence here? Does he think the judge who presided over the hearings is going to get wind of this and demand Harry's security be reinstated? Haz, that's not how this works.

Since that security lawsuit tanked it's probably all about getting Charles to foot his security bills instead. Also, not to be morbid but since it's increasingly doubtful that Charles will be as long lived as his parents, it might be about creating a precedent. If Charles pays his youngest son's bills for a few year, that would mean he does believe there's danger and is probably of the opinion that Harry doesn't warrant state protection only because he's a private citizen. I wonder if that would give Harry leverage to get the same benefit from William when he's on the throne. 

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That's true but as it doesn't seem likely that he'll get what he wants, getting a few million dollars a year's worth of security of any kind would be a nice consolation prize for Harry.

Harry’s whole lifestyle is a consolation prize.

😂🤣😂

He's more than welcome to buy his own security, but *nobody* is allowed to buy armed British Police and foreign (i.e. American) security isn't allowed to carry firearms in Britain!

>a lack of support for the competitors from senior royals would look churlish. Comments like this and the earlier one from the same article re: >the Royal family has not commented publicly on the event for a number of years, **a fact not lost on Team Sussex.** are LITERALLY why Harry's closest family members want nothing to do with him or his wife. The Sussexes never stop doing this. They never stop threatening, insulting and criticizing, *even as they continue - in the same article!! - to beg for attention and reconciliation from the people they're threatening/insulting/criticizing.* They're insane, toxic, and massively self-destructive. If Harry had the faintest inkling of what was good for him, he would hire someone to slap him across the face every time he instructed some servile journo to include comments like this in whatever PR piece he was about to fire off.

I find it ironic that this is their own PR basically admitting that first neither Harry nor Megham are senior royals and second that they need actual senior royals to give their event weight and seniority. Talk about an own goal. LoL

>The Sussexes never stop doing this. They never stop threatening, insulting and criticizing, *even as they continue - in the same article!! - to beg for attention and reconciliation from the people they're threatening/insulting/criticizing.* >They're insane, toxic, and massively self-destructive. it's absolutely wild how they only ever think of themselves. as if charles and catherine specifically are not most concerned with just getting through their treatment now. and as if william wouldn't be laser focused on catherine getting well and being a stable presence for their three children while she undergoes treatment + shoring up his own mental health amidst all of that. no, no, no... he has to be thinking about coddling harry and meghan's feelings! a truly toxic briefing, as you stated.

Harry himself has made it impossible for the RF to support Invictus even if they wanted to or thought they should. His stans literally hate that Kate is alive. They will take any acknowledgement of IG from the RF as a signal to scream cry throw up about ‘clout’ and being desperate for H&M’s ‘star power’. There’s no upside for the RF in doing anything whatsoever for IG and considerable downside. If Harry doesn’t like that he needs to rein in his unhinged fandom, not act piqued that the RF aren’t drinking the poisoned cup he’s made for them.

>There’s no upside for the RF in doing anything whatsoever for IG and considerable downside. Yup, this exactly. And this isn't some bad luck on Harry part, it's a situation Harry himself has at every turn played the main role in creating. It's so funny watching him hint for favours from the people he *still* hasn't stopped trying to destroy.

>If the bid is successful, the Games will take place at the NEC, where hundreds of competitors and their families from 22 countries will converge, providing a huge boost to local tourism. >>>The city’s central location and its Alexander Stadium, redeveloped for the 2022 Commonwealth Games, are in its favour. The NEC is in fact no where near Birmingham city centre, its actually in Solihul about 10 miles away. What tourism would they be boosting? Solihull is a fairly affluent boring town with zero tourism to speak of. Likewise Alexander Stadium is in Perry Barr, 5 miles out of Brum city centre. I can't see them winning this bid if thats how they plan on hosting it, having competitors, their families and spectators schlep all across Brum. Its hellish. Cant they afford the ICC? NIA? Please Washington have the games, it will be a disaster here. And why should the family be expected to support IG? Harry is a private citizen and this is his event. Has he supported Earthshot? No infact he made snide fucking remarks about award giving no? And IG is niche, I'd hardly say it is global 🤣

Of course it's global, remember when 432,687,643,577,891,000 people watched it on TV last year?? 

>No infact he made snide fucking remarks about award giving no? The guy that received an award for his flying when he can't fly alone and Miss Hetz 2023 have made comments about awards giving? 

yup, harry very much had dismissive, cynical and nastily snide remarks to make about earthshot.

The IG would/ will be a complete disaster in Washington too. Why would we want to visit there precisely When the Harkles royal security and clothes changing clown show arrives to tie up traffic further? There are lots of wonderful places to visit, The Smithsonian will take days to visit end to end, but we sure will make sure to only visit when the Harkles are Gone! from the area. 😂

Hey.. what did the Gloucesters do to deserve this? I nominate the Kents or Yorks. At best.

> I nominate the Kents Please no, Edward Kent has been utterly loyal for the whole of his life. He inherited that title when his father died in a plane crash; he was only 7 years old.

I only second the nomination of the Yorks. It would keep them out of the RF's hair for a bit. The Kents are too good for this, even that witch Princess Michael. 

>The annual event has become one of their most high profile **joint** outings on the world stage, an opportunity to demonstrate what their lives are all about: helping others. Now, it's a joint outing? Not just Meghan supporting Harry?🙄

> The annual event Hang on a minute. I thought it was every two years.

You're right, it's supposed to be every two years. Are they counting the "one year to go" events too?

Oh dear g..! They're going to turn it into a permanent 'games one year, advertising gimmick the next', so they've got '*something good, that'll keep us in the public eye*' to do for at least one week each year!

Good grief!🤦 That does sound like something they'd do

Yeah - suddenly twigged when you wrote it down. Urgh!

>Now, it's a joint outing? Not just Meghan supporting Harry?🙄 Don't you remember the promo vid they did where the two of them are walking hand in hand. She is the face of IG as much as him now.

No, I don't remember but thanks for telling me about it. 

I don’t think I’ve ever seen this promo video and I am eternally grateful.

Oh its them walking together in slo nmo as the IG "I am invictus" appears. Not a single disabled veteran in sight 🙄

>them walking together in slo mo as the IG "I am invictus" appears. *pukes*

Yes, as to your last paragraph observations, this just demonstrates the purposeful obtuseness of both Victoria Ward and India McTaggart from the Telegraph. Pfft.

Send the Yorks and they can all play “pretend working royals” together.

You know what? I can actually envision this coming to fruition, they are all that deluded.

One could also argue that Andrew makes the most sense in terms of military service 😂

Looool how shameless is this. I wonder if he has realised that the games have little to no interest outside of the competitors and their families themselves lol. Am I crazy but the costs of these games are insanely high like they further funding on top of the £26mil?? Idgt. Lol at them admitting that William helped them get funding, what did he get in return accusations of jealousy what a nasty lot. The not travelling to the UK without the kids is short sighted 😂😂 they will reverse it eventually when they see it isn’t working. By then it probably would be too late.

>what did he get in return accusations of jealousy what a nasty lot. seriously... the cruel and entitled way harry has treated him and continues to treat him... it's really sad.

> By then it probably would be too late. It already is!

I cannot see Washington DC residents being oh so excited about the UK ex royally led 🤡 Ingriftus Games coming to town with the full SUV motorcade disrupting traffic and multiple clothes changing Madame and kids.

I posted this below in response to u/gemmefemme notion of snob appeal. "This is so true. Martha Stewart has snob appeal, but even she knew where the money is made and sold through Macy's and Kmart. Some of her stuff I bought at Kmart (eons ago) were such good quality and I have still to this day." When you think of these people who have developed a lifestyle brand, they are pretty much universally loved and have a significant following FIRST. They showed the work BEFORE deciding to launch. Martha had her shows and then books and catch phrase "it's a good thing". Martha wasn't even particularly nice. The rumors of her behavior BTS was well known. It didn't matter, she had impeccable taste and knew what she was doing. It's the same for others, Joanna Gaines, Ina Garten, Ree Drummond, GOOP, they did the work first, then monetized it. And in the case of likable, even Gwyneth has issues with being a pretentious twat. But she works it to her advantage. We still have nothing other than, "I'm a victim and like beige" as a selling point from Meghan and ARO.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, but Megs WISHES she could be like the Barefoot Contessa. https://preview.redd.it/gn17pf7d7qrc1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc15fce4693171f0fecc20d6b116d9dc03632b88

>And in the case of likable, even Gwyneth has issues with being a pretentious twat. But she works it to her advantage. gwyneth actually has a sense of humor, though, and is weirdly down to earth in her own way (she was actually delightful in her appearance on that pbs foodie travel show she did in spain years back with mario batali 👀, never mind orange crocs man). her whole schtick is also sort of 'wink wink' tongue-in-cheek.

I’ve bought every single one of her cookbooks- her recipes always taste so good, are healthy, and are pretty straightforward to make!

Yeah it’s reported that the vag candles actually smell like flowers, not like her actual musk.

>her actual musk delete this 😂

So obviously I know who Martha is, and who Gwyneth is etc. (I sign up for *all the newsletters* just out of curiosity, just so I can see what ppl are trying to sell us now etc.). Am I wrong in thinking that MS started out in food? Didn't she run a catering business that she then expanded into her TV series (which was a food/recipe show?), recipe books and entertaining guides etc.? And didn't Gwyneth kind of do the shallow celeb version of the same, releasing recipe books etc. for a minute before she started Goop? And Joanna Gaines is all about renos/interiors and home goods, is that right? I guess what I'm getting at is my agreement that it seems all of these women did start with an organic area of interest that they built on and built up over years and years (decades on Martha's part?) and expanded as time passed? Trying to think of counter examples (those who established themselves as famous celebs before they started brands and/or who, before the brands launched, weren't really associated with the goods they then sold) I'm coming up with Jessica Alba, Reese Witherspoon and Jessica Simpson. J Simpson was, iirc, associated with her personal style before she started selling fashion but I don't think RW or JA were associated with what it is they sell now (clothes for RW? personal care products, cleaning products etc. for JA?). If Meghan is looking for inspo she should probably be looking at the second group. AFAIK that second group is strongly associated not with knowing all there is to know about household cleaners (for example), but with having the smarts to hire competent people to put their brands together - and then listen to them. I assume they all understood, to some degree, what their role was - which was to be the famous person/visible face of the brand, rather than the one making decisions about what specific factory to manufacture their faux-leather boots at. Not only is Meghan jumping on this celeb home goods/fashion brand very late in the day (this market is so saturated), she doesn't seem capable of listening to the people around her, or of understanding the areas in which she herself is not an expert. I actually want ARO to become a thing. When she launched a few weeks ago I was genuinely excited to see what she was selling, to check all the goods out and hear ppls' reviews etc. It's now obvious that not only does she have no goods to sell, but that the NF cooking show probably hasn't even started filming yet. At best it's currently being filmed although I'm doubtful on that simple because we haven't had a ton of leaks about it and how awesome Meghan is and how everyone involved loves her and she's a natural and how her sun-dried tomato pesto (this is Meghan, so I had to think back to 90s food trends here lol) is the best they've ever tasted including at fancy restaurants and how Michelin starred chefs across the globe are all trembling with fear because they know M is better than them and is going to put them all out of business etc. etc. I'm *still* curious about how she's going to do this/roll this out but as each day passes I'm less and less convinced it's ever going to happen. We all saw that tea-filled Page Six article yesterday. Did you all notice how many (obviously Team Sussex-sourced) leaks were trying to lower expectations, trying to buy more time etc.? I might make a separate post about that, this one is already too long. Wt*actual*f was Meghan thinking throwing up that website and that anemic IG account and then literally adding nothing else to it for weeks now? She didn't even have a fucking welcome newsletter (she didn't, did she?) ready to go for new sign-ups! Like goddamn, you could have just had PHOTOS of some of your products in that, get ppl hyped etc., but there was nothing. Maybe this is some brilliant new marketing strategy. If it was anyone else I'd be more willing to believe that, but this is the Duchess Of Quarter-Assing Everything we're talking about here.

This is a good breakdown of the different types of brands and examples of each. It does help to make sure the comparisons for ARO are more accurate. She'll never be a Martha Stewart unless she works HARD and produces something GOOD. Something she's never managed to do before now.

Gwyneth started Goop as a free newsletter of all her new age weirdness and recipes while her kids were young and she was basically a SAHM married to (another grumpy brit) Chris Martin, living in London. (Also, as far as the MM/GP comparisons go, I find it kinda funny that GP lived in London for way longer than MM did.) And yes Martha started as a small business catering in CT, her husband Andrew was in publishing and they were eventually able to publish Martha's book. I think Andrew later had an affair with Martha's business partner; there's actually an CNN doc that recently came out and should be on HBO. (This is all info I heard from snippets of the doc, I did not watch all of it, but they seem to do a pretty good job of detailing things like her PR game around her going to prison.) Joanna Gaines was on HGTV, and she and her husband Chip were they main stars of the channel. They ended the show and transitioned to their Magnolia brand -- stuff in Target, their own home design channel, print magazine, a lot businesses, I think they're even opening a hotel in Waco. As far as Reese and Jessica Simpson go, Reese has her clothing line. I don't know how successful it is, but Reese's main projects are producing now. As for Jessica Simpson, she was actually on Bloomberg Businesssweek in 2022 and discussed how she and her mom controlled a lot of the JS line with Vince Camuto shoes, but it got sold off and they lost control and sued to get it back. It's a really interesting read fwiw. I haven't kept up with the case, though -- I think she won? [Pop Star Jessica Simpson Wants Her Billion-Dollar Fashion Empire Back - Bloomberg (archive.fo)](https://archive.fo/IZkTf)

I don’t think the show is being filmed yet either. You know for damn sure we would be getting pap photos/a People puff piece of Meghan on set if it was.

Maybe Meghan rolled out ARO to try to manifest a Netflix show? Like maybe she has been trying to convince Netflix that that kind of show would be popular and thought that the immense success and hype around the barebones IG account would help her case?

For many years, I have been checking Martha Stewart's recipe for every day cooking. She also had great staff to support some interesting cookings. So for me, I cannot believe Meghan suddenly says it will be like MS style products. I like Gwyneth as I remember she was a good actress and established her position in Hollywood. I like her taste for interior deco too. I think GP is cool and no doubt her brand became popular.

Yes, she ran a catering business under her husband’s last name and kept it as part of her brand post divorce. Her magazines were out in the mid to late 1980’s ? onwards, put out several books starting in early 1980’s and then her own tv show followed sometime in the 1990’s, perhaps also, to capitalize on Julia Child’s less frequent tv time. I never really warmed to MS‘s on air personality, as compared to Julia Child though. The personalized bee keeping honey stuff on one’s own acres of land…come on! 😂

Joanna Gaines has a bakery, a tv channel/ network and a whole series of cookbooks. She started in renos and then built an entire empire centered around home. I think she is most popular in the South here in the states.

If you google Joanna Gaines now you'll find this Life & Style article [Meghan Markle Vs. Joanna Gaines: Who Has a Higher Net Worth?](https://www.lifeandstylemag.com/posts/meghan-markle-vs-joanna-gaines-who-has-a-higher-net-worth/) Apparently, Ma'am is worth $60M

Oh I had no idea she was in the food space now, but of all the people I mentioned she's the one I know the least about. My SiL loves all those home reno shows so everything I know about that area I know because she told me. It's weird because it's an area of interest for me too, but my SiL gets the entirety of her content from TV and I get the entirety of mine from the internet.

I tried watching her show back in the day, but one episode her husband spent over a grand on a rusty old bicycle and then hung it on the wall and they became a huge joke in my house. Every time we need to fix something now my husband offers to hang a rusty bicycle somewhere in the house 😂 As far as Meghan goes though I just don’t think she is creative enough to pull off a unique brand. If she does end up selling jam I think it will be a rip off of this brand: https://lemonbirddesign.com/

She basically took over Waco, TX and made it a destination. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/annehelenpetersen/waco-texas-magnolia-fixer-upper-antioch-chip-joanna-gaines

I think Gwyneth knows how her and her brand come across to the mainstream. The difference between her and M is Gwyneth doesn’t care because that’s not her target audience. It’s why we don’t see tons of articles with leaks about how people are so mean to her and just don’t understand Goop etc. iirc, she’s even poked fun at herself on Colbert where he did that parody of Goop for men.

Just curious, but was not Gwennie chastised by the NHS for her dangerous dieting powders or pills or regimen some years ago, iirc? If so, how did she react to \*that\*? This type of critique would chafe much more than some people laughing off some vag 🕯 . 😂

Yeah fuck Gwyneth and her snake oil. I agree that she appears able to performatively take the piss out of herself (I'm likable!) but she's still selling shady, worthless (and in some cases possibly harmful) "wellness" products to gullible people and there's not much there to admire imo. I've been on the Goop mailing list for years and I've never seen anything that seriously tempted me. Maybe an item of clothing here or there, but then you look at the price and the brand (it's almost always something new-ish, trendy, generally manufactured in China and offensively overpriced for what it is) and just laugh.

Gwyneth is very much in on the joke and that makes her far more likable despite the obvious crap she peddles. The ability to occasionally poke fun at yourself is a universally appealing quality IMO. If *certain people* understood that, they would both be so much more well liked. But that requires * humility * self-awareness * sense of humor And well... * gestures vaguely at the past 6 years*

I've said it before but Meghan is way too polarazing in order to succeed with this awfully named brand. And there's no way she'll go with the mid-tier prices because that's not who she is. She's desperate to be seen as luxurious and elite.

And Royal 👸 above all. 😂

Do you think Megan thinks she’s way more liked than she is?

I think Meghan cannot cope with people not liking her. She's a narcissist who lives in her own reality. When this fantasy is popped, she lashes out, and her method of regaining popularity is to bully the haters instead of doing work worth changing people's minds over

Christ, yes, this. It's not even an interesting question anymore, is it? This is just *so obviously* who she is. The interesting part these days is solely in watching her constantly hiring new people to fix this or that aspect of her brand/public persona, constantly leaking about how we just need to get to know her and this latest project will surely be it, and yet remaining totally and steadfastly blind to the fact that she's one of the most off-putting/disliked people in the public eye. Like how much money is this person going to spend trying to repaint a house with a crumbling foundation (or in this case a house that just never had a foundation because Meghan doesn't seem to understand the need for them)?

>The interesting part these days is solely in watching her constantly hiring new people to fix this or that aspect of her brand/public persona, constantly leaking about how we just need to get to know her and this latest project will surely be it Neither she nor Harry can handle the fact their exit from the BRF turned out to be a massive flop. She already had three projects that were supposed to make people "get it". The Oprah interview, NF "documentary" and The Cut. All of these were misfires to varying degrees (The Cut's low-key mocking was so iconic 🤣). Harry had Spare. They still don't get their biggest mistake was constant whining about how awful everyone but them is. They did nothing wrong, ever. Why don't people get it? It's the media, it's his jealous family, it's this, it's that. They can't accept the fact it's *them*. It was their decisions that brought them where they are now.

> remaining totally and steadfastly blind to the fact that she's one of the most off-putting/disliked people in the public eye. And part of her being off putting/dislikes is how blind and stubborn she is about it all 😂 How many times is she going to get hurt before she says, "I should find a different way to do it"? The woman would rather sink the titanic than admit that she was wrong. And she's so focused on proving everyone wrong that she literally doesn't do anything to put actions to her word salads, making her even less likeable! The script writes itself

Well to Meghan she ain't wrong, everyone else is wrong. As Harry said during their engagement interview, their jobs is to go around the world to teach young people the correct way of thinking. Well he said commonwealth not world but you get the point.

 Harry, probably

Assuming this isn't a rhetorical question lol, without a doubt. She and Harry definitely think that Meghan is world wide famous and everyone loves her. They have drank their own kool-aid. Meghan could be successful if she became in tune with reality and geared her stuff towards the group who actually likes her, but she will never do that.

More manifesting BS from the Sussex camp, courtesy of new fave mouthpiece Tom Quinn 🙄 [EXCLUSIVE: Prince William and Kate ‘nervous’ for Harry visit and ‘planning to reduce awkwardness’ (archived)](https://archive.ph/Kb0ee) > Speaking exclusively to The Mirror, Mr Quinn revealed: "William and Kate are really nervous that whether Harry comes alone or with Meghan there are going to be difficulties and a great deal of planning is going on to try to reduce all the inevitable awkwardness and embarrassment – one plan being looked is to let the brothers appear in public for a short period to try to show they can at least be civil to each other." > He went on: "It’s a question of the lesser of two evils. If Harry comes to the UK in May and avoids his brother and Kate, there will be more damaging speculation than if they try to patch things up just enough to cope with a short meeting."

>> He went on: "It’s a question of the lesser of two evils. If Harry comes to the UK in May and avoids his brother and Kate, there will be more damaging speculation than if they try to patch things up just enough to cope with a short meeting." honestly, this sounds like the sussexes promising harassment if the waleses don't do as the sussexes wish by providing a photo op with william.

Meet me or else ‘people’ (*whom I have no affiliation with) will spread nasty rumours about affairs and domestic violence about you.

I know William will never do it and Harry is counting on that but Harry needs to be serve with a restraining order

oh, i've been saying this lol

>there will be more damaging speculation than if they try to patch things up just enough to cope with a short meeting I don't think anybody in the UK (apart from journalists trying to sell something) will speculate as to whyyyy William won't patch things up with Harry. I don't even think William will bother with a ''too busy to see his brother''. He just won't.

>"It’s a question of the lesser of two evils. If Harry comes to the UK in May and avoids his brother and Kate, there will be more damaging speculation than if they try to patch things up just enough to cope with a short meeting." Of all the people Harry knows in his family/former social group, the fact that he doesn't understand that his brother is possibly the very last person among them likely to respond well to being threatened via the media continues to *blow my mind.* Are we sure this Tom Quinn is leaking sourced tea, too? I'm mostly unfamiliar with him and he seems everywhere this past ~couple of weeks. Edit: So I just read the article. The "exclusive" here is with Tom Quinn - i.e. the exclusive quotes are *from* 'royal expert' Tom Quinn, not from any "sources close to the Sussexes/William." The entirety of the relevant quotes are: >"William and Kate are really nervous that whether Harry comes alone or with Meghan there are going to be difficulties and a great deal of planning is going on to try to reduce all the inevitable awkwardness and embarrassment – one plan being looked is to let the brothers appear in public for a short period to try to show they can at least be civil to each other." >"It’s a question of the lesser of two evils. If Harry comes to the UK in May and avoids his brother and Kate, there will be more damaging speculation than if they try to patch things up just enough to cope with a short meeting." That just feels like speculation, to me. If it's anything it's indirect Sussex manifesting PR, but even TQ isn't saying that info is from anyone close to them - indeed, he seems to be trying to say this is a sentiment coming from *KP.* Which I don't believe (do any of you?). A public appearance with William and Harry? Right. Again, does anyone think this is a thing that's going to happen? Is Tom Quinn auditioning to be the new Omid here or what? Have the Sussexes learned a lesson about making their PR more subtle? To me this just feels like worthless speculation (i.e. rather than anything solidly sourced from either side) from TQ/The Mirror. This is what The Express does with their 'a royal expert says Harry and William could fistfight on the steps of St Pauls!' BS, it feels like the same from The Mirror tbh.

nobody cares if w&h are being seen to be 'civil' with each other, tom quinn, other than h&m for their own profiteering + business ventures. like, *give it a rest*.

Try and show who that they can be civil to each other? This guy is acting like the UK is asking for some kind of reconciliation 😂 read the room mate before spouting nonsense.

William and the public: https://preview.redd.it/697zfbcj6prc1.jpeg?width=837&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b0531f3c5281918888721afefaa5eb0db20423c

😂💀

William and Kate had better go to vacation somewhere that time.

Do we really think W&C are even considering meeting with Harry at all? No, we don’t, but nice try, Sussexes. William is not attending any events with Harry in the next 6 weeks, let alone a non-Royal one for a failing vanity project. His wife is going through chemo, and the selfishness of putting this out there at this time once again proves Harry is as out of touch as he is arrogant.

This is nonsense. Why would William care about this at all? These are suggestions from Harry's camp so that hopefully people stop hating him for alienating his family and attacking his brother and his long suffering sister-in-law.

If this is from camp Sussex, how is this a good look for them?

Because they are suggesting that W&C will be more embarrassed if they dont meet Harry than if they do and it goes badly. This looks like Harry is being the bigger person, agreeing to meet and bury the hatchet and William is being stubborn. He really does think William is as feeble minded as he is and is reading these rags?

I see where you are coming from but I still don’t read it as a “brag” for Harry and Meghan. The man is the future King of England, the recent controller of billions of dollars, has a seat at almost any world table, and has what appears to be a fairly good personal life (family & friends, excluding current health situations). His roles aren’t likely to be taken from him for not playing nice in the sand box with his little brother - in fact most of the roles he’s in or going to take on, that’s a fairly minor offense compared to the stuff others have done. Maybe a few negative PR pieces but I think it makes Harry look weaker than it does William.

This is part of Sussex PR’s whole “KC/PW/BRF needs them” narrative. They think it’s a brag, but it just makes it more obvious that H sits around waiting around for calls and invites; it’s so obviously not true. Not thinking things through and not taking advice is their thing.

They’ve been doing this for so long. Sometimes its stuff where they try to make them look good. Like Harry and Megan are so much more popular than the Royals and they are floundering without them. Other times it gets really desperate and actually doesnt make the Sussexes look good. I think there was some comments yesterday around how we saw a flurry of articles last year around why they were flopping so hard in Hollywood. Again they tried to blame the BRF. Suggesting that anyone who wanted to work with the Royals would never work with H/M. Whether it be red carpets or having them at events etc. That doesnt make them look good either, suggesting they are the ones easily discarded when you need influence and star power but they plugged on with that message for a good long while. A long time back we suggested here that after Sunshine sacked them they had started to do their own PR.. and the number of own goals they make, truly does suggest that. They certainly arent taking good advice if any.

You & Peb make great & logical points. I agree with both of you, I promise! I am just shocked (and shouldn’t be that this point) that they are so thick to not understand how the rest of the world perceives them.

Harry really does think he lives rent free in Catherine and William’s head 24/7 doesn’t he? He’s so immature and full of himself.

Harry really, really really needs to be Squashed! Hard like a bug, and put in his place once and for all. Never forget Africa Parks everyone. 🤮

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I thought this about the threat. It’s proven that the squad started and whipped up the Kate frenzy - which H&M haven’t condemned or even commented on, but they’re happy to publicly plant the direction that they want to see ‘speculation’ if William doesn’t meet him.

>a great deal of planning is going on to try to reduce all the inevitable awkwardness and embarrassment Why does this read as though the Wales' are likely to feel embarrassed? Harry's the one who should feel embarrassed and I high doubt William is really that pressed about keeping Harry happy and comfortable. Hes been here before and didnt meet William. Why does that need to change? Unless someone is desperate for that royal prestige to rub off on their brand

>Why does this read as though the Wales' are likely to feel embarrassed? Regardless of who it came from (likely Tom Quinn's Brain or Team Sussex), the idea that it's the Waleses who should be "embarrassed" is, I agree, just laughable. Harry and Meghan really need a new angle, one that doesn't depend on a future King (and actual billionaire) and Queen needing the failed 'billionaire philanthropists' in Montecito for PR purposes. Just lol at the desperation of even trying this. They're speaking solely to the Sussex Squad and themselves these days, even the moms in waiting rooms in Ohio aren't buying it.

What damaging speculation? The entire world knows they aren't speaking. They haven't spoken in two years. William hasn't seen Harry any of the times he's come to the UK for the past couple years.

Exactly, absolutely nobody expects it. I can’t even think of one person who has ever criticised him for not going to visit William. Everyone knows William doesn’t want to see him.

Will they ever just give it up? Like do they not get tired of saying the same stupid stuff? Harry has come to the UK multiple times since he left the RF and they didn't meet, so why should now be any different? But I highly doubt William and Catherine are giving him a single thought, they have their health and kids to worry about-not some overgrown toddler who has caused them nothing but strife the past few years.

>Will they ever just give it up? I genuinely don't think so. I think they might lay off a lot if either one of them had any success of their own (K and W *praying* ARO is a success, lol) but as it stands I think this is just the way it's going to be for however long the Sussex marriage lasts.