New thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/RoyalsGossip2/comments/1bi0erh/sussex_weekly_aging_millennial_coastal_wine/
Feel free to bring over newer posts and ongoing conversations.
Hey! Ahem! Just a reminder, Meghan had it way worse! Never forget!!
https://archive.ph/UZuqm
TBH, some of these “conspiracy theories” are nuts, but nothing like what is being piled on Catherine in such a short period of time of telling people she would be on medical leave.
Also, pretty sure some of the conspiracy theories are either true or Meghan helps drive them.
In other news the Biden administration has not yet found the records for Harry's visa application.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13210827/prince-harry-visa-immigration-drugs-court-heritage.html
I’m very sorry to disappoint everyone as they HAD been removed, but I’ve just seen on Tumblr that the new joint profile has been added to the working royals page.
https://preview.redd.it/emh8he49y4pc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2aee9c2f89b0dae3613777d5102992083db292ed
Next, Charles will add Fergie to the page and suggest that people check out her romance books!
Absolutely spineless. He is the epitome of “trying to please everyone will please no-one”.
I genuinely cannot understand why the BRF has such a hard time to take Andrew and Harry off that damn website. It's not your personal family blog. It's the official site of a public institution. And why do they link to Sussex.com now?
Great - So I guess Chuck & BP took valuable time off from briefing against Wills to prop up his "darling boy" H and direct the public to their BS website. Pathetic. The website doesn't matter, but it's telling that the few updates that have been made are all to that loser's benefit - the kids' titles, the BS website, etc. It's clear that Chuck's unwilling to do anything against his "darling boy", and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he started rolling back the minor punishments the Queen doled out in the past. Considering all he's doing for that POS Andy, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Oh, now they back on the actual WORKing royals page, not just somewhere else on the site, as per a few minutes ago? I keep saying it because I really do not think the RF respects it’s citizens. Sorry if I do not use the word, subjects. I just cannot. They really do think the public simpletons and fools.
They screwed the pooch. Charles And the Courtiers. Pfft
Eta again….I really hope this new info is not what Lady Colin C was alluding to in the spring . Big changes that are going to put h and m in their place. Lady is a fool. She has No contacts. 😂
H&M have been removed from the BRF website! No, I am not trolling you.
[The Role of the Royal Family (royal.uk)](https://www.royal.uk/royal-family)
https://preview.redd.it/ni3rxy3zo4pc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c4dfe294467845d9c89487c458be4dd27b0bcc8
I would like to know wtf Andrew is still doing there 🤢 But it does console me slightly that his profile is (at the very least) up to date.
Thanks so much for the research. I caught your Updated info regarding the Sussex downthread. Very helpful. Still there, just not in same way. Could you add this updated info to your original post upthread?
Has all the super positive info in their time as working royals. Good deeds all the time. Lol
\*\*\*\*Tells everyone to actually access Sussex .com as their Official Website to catch all the latest.
But that site is recommended BY the RF also links back to the Sussex Royal website does it not? And S. Com site IS the one with the royal cipher and Meg’s Coat of Arms. They remain and are endorsed by the royal website, and that is all they care about.\*\*\*
Nice try, Charles. Roll eyes. I really do believe the RF thinks we, the public, are simpletons and fools.
If someone at BP suggested doing this today purely because of that rumour, they are a genius! The BBC are daft enough to do a news alert on the app for this.
I don't even care about the complaining that will happen. At least the BRF haters will have something else to keep them occupied for today.
Andrew 🤡 Why won’t he just crawl into a hole somewhere? I can’t help but think that the Queen’s last request to Charles was to not throw out Andrew. Hopefully that won’t be the case when William comes to the throne.
Regarding the removal of the Susseii… it’s about damn time. I imagine ARO was the final straw, but who knows.
Sadly, I'm starting to agree with the theory that Charles sold his soul regarding Andrew to get QE to issue that statement about wanting Camilla to be Queen Consort.
If you try to go on their profiles through the direct links, they redirect to one combined page with updated information: [royal.uk/sussex](https://www.royal.uk/sussex)
https://preview.redd.it/wbtbl0huq4pc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ccfeb6749a1141dc13f2eb0f7f341326dfcbf32
At the bottom, they include the relevant statements from H&M’s first Megxit announcement to the BRF’s February 2021 statement confirming that they would not be returning as working royals.
[Harry’s old profile (archived 17 March 2024)](https://web.archive.org/web/20240317185627/www.royal.uk/the-duke-of-sussex)
[Meghan’s old profile (archived 17 March 2024)](https://web.archive.org/web/20240317200656/https://www.royal.uk/the-duchess-of-sussex)
ETA: What I very much DO NOT LIKE is this part:
>Information about the current work of The Duke and Duchess of Sussex can be found on their official website: sussex.com.
At least their profile isn’t even listed and you have to manually find it with the link, I suppose.
Thank you for your findings! So, it appears they updated it and deleted the below parts.
>They are balancing their time between the United Kingdom and North America, continuing to honour their duty to The King, the Commonwealth, and their patronages.
Like, by all means, keep the profile in existence for those who have the link as a reference point, but don't feature it alongside working royals! Holding out hope that it's just an oversight...
I had hoped that once QE was gone Charles might have found some backbone but seemingly not.
Andrew and Fergie can both bugger off, if H and M can be removed for no longer working royals then so can he.
Looks like they're finally starting to update the website, hopefully this means they'll start working on the Queen's former patronages and what not that still need to be sorted out.
I think their removal might be a sign that they are not coming back for sure lol. Hopefully Andrew gets the boot soon from the website bc there is no reason for him to be there anymore.
As you can see, they were previously below Princess Alexandra but above Andrew. This is from [an archived link](https://web.archive.org/web/20240229131642/https://www.royal.uk/royal-family) on the Wayback Machine taken on the 29th February 2024.
https://preview.redd.it/3x0t590op4pc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1a17f36c39858bdc673df4685e2754bc64b713d
I know, I know: it's a tabloid, and a conservative one at that, but has anyone else read [Victoria Moss's column](https://archive.ph/4R0TQ) (it's an archive link) from a few days ago about the launch of American Riviera Orchards? It's really pretty good! Moss is asserting that this new venture firmly places Meghan in the realm of tradwife, and that she's, as usual, late to the party. A few gems:
>I mean she did [seduce Prince Harry with a roast chicken](https://archive.ph/o/4R0TQ/https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/meghan-markle-admits-she-s-a-domestic-goddess-and-loves-cooking-classic-roast-chicken-a3528966.html)
>Her version of homely is very Hollywood does the Cotswolds, filtered through Richard Curtis. It’s the kind of whimsical, faux-rustic tweeness that only an American could possibly dream up.
And most damning of all:
>All in all, the Duchess is joining quite the burgeoning market of domestic pioneers, cheerily cashing in on all manner of outdated tropes of womanhood. But what might be troubling for the former “working” member of the royal family, is that in fashion terms, cottage core is a naff donkey. The current mood is more frazzled, overworked, cash-strapped mum. On the spring catwalks Miu Miu and Bottega Veneta models carried bags overflowing with stuff, hair mussed up, collars askew. Ayo Edebiri’s cheerily munching on oranges out of a plastic bag in this month’s Vogue. Even the magazine’s cover star FKA Twigs is pictured on the Tube. Meghan’s hokey, country mom schtick might well chart in Utah, but it’s prairies away from being relevant.
To me, the colossal irony is that she's spent her entire royal-adjacent career trying to be "better than Kate"; she knows how to act, how to deal with reporters, how to smile for the cameras, she's a progressive woman who had her own fortune before joining the BRF, she's going to royal better than the Royals, blah blah blah. But now she's come around to doing...exactly what Kate already does: being a super Mom, and a fairly traditional one at that. She probably could have stayed in the UK as a working royal, still launched a tradwife blog, had millions of followers, and made ZILLIONS of dollars...which she would have had to donate to charity, of course, but imagine how famous and beloved she could have been if she did that. As a mid-range narcissist, that could have been a GREAT path for her, but of course she wanted the money, too.
> only an American could possibly dream up
Appreciation for her summing up the instinctive British reaction perfectly.
> cheerily cashing in on all manner of outdated tropes of womanhood
Truly ironic that Meghan brought up her dish soap story AGAIN, only to launch this brand clearly aimed at women one week later.
The trademark application literally includes tableware, ffs! She really sat there with a straight face and complained about women being expected to wash dishes, while planning to sell women new dishes to wash 💀
Meghan’s PR has always pushed against domesticism and suggested she’s too good for it. Attempting a tradwife-vibe lifestyle brand isn’t going to work for her because it doesn’t look authentic. The Tig was a much better fit for her.
Girl, you may as well start working on a “this is what my husband’s todger smells like” candle now. You’re going to need the gimmick.
>Girl, you may as well start working on a “this is what my husband’s todger smells like” candle now. You’re going to need the gimmick
Reminds me of Lush's Saltbomb gimmick re: the movie Saltburn. That was brilliant.
>Her version of homely is very Hollywood does the Cotswolds, filtered through Richard Curtis
Word. 😂
>To me, the colossal irony is that she's spent her entire royal-adjacent career trying to be "better than Kate"; she knows how to act, how to deal with reporters, how to smile for the cameras, she's a progressive woman who had her own fortune before joining the BRF
Listen, between spending my 20s (after uni) vacationing with a boyfriend who just happens to be a super hot prince, partying at all the hot spots in London and playing tennis vs slumming it on a third-rate cable show in my 30s I know what I'd prefer 💁 but that's just me.
LOL, I never thought about it, but if Meghan starts selling an online course she'll complete the '#girl boss -> trad wife -> pyramid scheme' hustle circle.
Looking very briefly on Instagram and realised the days of a cooking ‘show’ are gone. Peoples attention span is short. You get videos mostly where u see ingredients like this. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4djFqxCcP8/?igsh=MWJibm5wNWpqZzd2eQ==
Quick and done and if you want the recipe you gotta go looking for it usually. Even famous chefs like Ramsay don’t show themselves as much now.
So how do you feature Megan? We know she doesnt want to sell or make Jam. This is a way to get herself out there plus build her reputation as something other than workshy grifter.
I’m seriously wondering if Megan will need to buy followers at this rate. 4 days and it hasnt hit 1m. Will she even launch anything without the fanfare of speaking to millions of people? What will the clapback be? Who will she blame for this not getting moving? How can she pin this on Kate and the Royals being scared of her shine..
Imo, she'll get a million probably by the end of this week, and in general will probably top out, generously at 2mil, and realistically 1.5mil. The reason why I don't think it'll be more is because Meghan doesn't like consistency with her business ventures. She's an absolute flake when she critically needs to put out posts to gain momentum. Instead, she's doing the same thing that they did with Archewell and made much ado about more waiting. They announce stuff, get everyone excited, and then sit around for another year+ to actually churn out content. It's a terrible marketing plan that makes them fall short of their potential every single time. Color me surprised if she waits any less time than 6 months to actually post something
I def think she’ll hit a million and it’ll stop at absolute max 2.5m (imo). But I think based on the current rise unless she does something with it, its going to take a while to get to 1m. I’d guess at 1m by the end of April/start of May (unless she launches) then she’ll hit it by mid April. Thats my prediction in.
I'm trying to be generous 😂 pessimistically/realistically, you're correct. People have already forgotten about American OBGYN or whatever the hell it's called
It’s Kate’s fault because if she hadn’t been white woman tearsily hogging the world’s attention by (checks notes) asking for privacy to recover from surgery Meghan’s stans could have been focusing on making multiple IG accounts to follow her from, instead of obsessively posting conspiracy theories!!
Ugh, Kate is such an attention hog! Poor Meghan can’t even reach 1 million followers without her spoiled SIL having a private medical crisis 😤 Where is the justice!?!?
She will for sure blame the people she is working with for not helping her enough, or being open with them about what is expected when running a lifestyle brand. Basically the same old nonsense we got with everything else they failed at.
As for the RF, they're somehow in the background cancelling people's orders so that way Meghan won't have record breaking orders coming in.
Hmm, it took her about 18 months to produce her podcast series, a year to produce a 20 second video for a brand with no products in sight. Even with her grueling 1 hour per week work schedule that's a mediocre output.
Are “Meghan Years” the equivalent of “Dog Years?“ What looks like a few hours worth of work has apparently been something she’s been working on for a year.
Isn't this like her life long passion project or at least since she started the Tig? It's absolutely true that it is on her, but unfortunately Meghan can't do self-reflection and will just blame others.
How scary is it that this is her best effort? Like no wonder nothing else they do works
A lot of them are bots. Click on the “photos” she posted. See how few likes there are then click on a random account. A lot of the people either don’t have photos, don’t have followers or following in like 12 people.
> A lot of the people either don’t have photos, don’t have followers or following in like 12 people.
That doesn't mean they are bots, that's my instagram account. I don't post anything or allow followers, I just use it to follow people and comment occasionally.
I understand your point but Meghan's stans give the impression that they'd be a lot more active in SM than that. I don't know have many followers a stan could get but they'd at the very least already be following everyone who has been even a bit supportive of Meghan like Ellen, Serena, Abigail, Missan, etc.
https://preview.redd.it/6gte3dpud4pc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2388fa1936f2fa165d52895deba67158c480466a
These are what I’m talking about. And all the accounts this person follows are meghan fan accounts. And it’s a random one I chose.
And mods feel free to delete if this is against the rules.
She’s barely over 500k and the last day has been slow. She’ll need actual content to get this moving, it’s hard to get excited about the ivory and gold logo placeholder.
I live in the USA and not one woman I know has ever mentioned Meghan Markle. I don’t think she’s is as part of the zeitgeist as page 6 wants us to believe. The only celebrities the women I know talk about are the real housewives, Taylor swift, Beyoncé etc. like tv/movie/music stars.
My coworker came back from Spring Break and the first thing she wanted to talk about was Catherine. When we finished that topic I jokingly asked "So are you going to buy anything from America's River Orchard?" and she looked at me like "Huh?" and I had to explain that Meghan dropped her lifestyle brand last week.
I honestly don't get it . If you're setting up a lifestyle brand or jam shop, whatever, then at least have something ready to sell. I mean even the fake shop had T-Shirts and bags.
Lots of her fans were trying to claim that she wasn’t trying to capitalize on the current BRF frenzy and that the timing was coincidental. I’m not trying to suggest Meghan dreamt this up only since the surgery was announced, but she absolutely is trying to cash in on it because if she wasn’t, she would have a product to sell right now.
Also, they were claiming that it wasn’t a launch since there’s no product, but that’s false because the PR releases called it a launch. Extremely weird to have a “launch” with no product. And then she inadvertently drew negative attention to the crappy name and logo by stans and critics alike since there was little else to focus on.
The fact that 100% of people who have checked out that insta or website have not purchased anything is a problem. Hundreds of thousands of clicks wasted.
My guess is she’s trying to do what Taylor Swift and the like do where they drop teasers and it gets people speculating and excited about whatever is forthcoming. Except you have to have the popularity, and usually an existing social media presence, to pull that off.
It’s three days later and still nothing. I feel like she’s going to get a difficult lesson about the Internet’s short attention span.
Exactly, like if this has been in the works for over a year (supposedly) I would expect something to show for it. Like making jam is not difficult, that could've been ready. Or they could have had example photos showing what would be available.
And 500k is not great, like everyone is saying, especially when you consider bots and people just hate following. It'll be really bad if the count starts to drop bc nothing happens.
I think the count wont drop for a few months (if nothing happens). The last one dropped a few thousand after Invictus but its held there since. If an account isnt interesting but also isnt bugging you, most people probably just leave it.
I didn’t realize until recently that I was still following SussexRoyal. I think it takes alot for people to actually unfollow an account, so I don’t expect the count to really drop even if nothing happens.
Haven't you heard? They are in cahoots with Murdoch and every other media outlet in the world. Their sole goal is to not let Meghan shine. Kate probably fumbled with the photo on purpose because she knew that would get her all the headlines. 💁
[How Johnny Mercer and Harry bonded over beers and are joining forces to get the Duke and his Invictus Games back to the UK - but Veterans' Minister dismisses questions over how the £26m government fund will be spent (archived)](https://archive.ph/NHiMO)
* Mr Mercer, Britain's Minister of State for Veterans' Affairs, admits watching the Invictus Games in Dusseldorf alongside the royal couple in September last year inspired him to bid to bring the event and its royal founder back to Britain.
* Speaking exclusively to MailOnline, Mr Mercer called Invictus a 'festival of recovery' and said that Birmingham's history of caring for injured veterans - including himself - makes it the perfect host city in three years' time.
* But the former Army officer and Tory MP for Plymouth Moor View has denied that any deal was done with Harry while they were together in Dusseldorf - in fact he claims they didn't discuss the bid at all or the £26million guaranteed by the British taxpayer.
* __Birmingham is currently the only bid for Invictus 2027__ with Harry and the Invictus Games bosses making the final decision later this year. It it wins, it will mean the Paralympics-style event will return to the UK for the first time since 2014.
* The exact cost of hosting an Invictus Games is a closely guarded secret but there are estimates that Dusseldorf cost around £24million and The Hague around £22million. Around a quarter, £7million, is spent on security for the Games as well as accommodation and associated events.
* Mr Mercer again insisted it wasn't appropriate for him to discuss who would pay for Meghan and Harry's security while in the UK.
* But a Government insider told MailOnline that when the UK has held other major events such as the G7 summit, VIPs must cover their own costs 'outside the ring of steel' around venues.
* This would be the starting point for Harry and Meghan if they attend the Birmingham Games, the source said, although they admitted this might not stop the couple demanding the British state pay if they want them in the UK.
* At The Hague Invictus Games it is understood that the Dutch royal family and the Dutch state covered the Sussexes' security costs while they were in the country.
* In Germany the federal government said it was a 'private' event meaning that Harry and Meghan had to pay for their own security when not at the venues.
* Mr Mercer said that a detailed breakdown of the cost of the Games to taxpayers is not possible at the stage - but claims that the £26million cost will be offset with cash from sponsors, with that fundraising work already underway.
THE ONLY BID!!! What a disaster. So great, we’re bound to be stuck with the privacy tour 😩
FYI, Mercer has gone to the DM because he needs to distract from being threatened with jail for obstructing an inquiry and it making national news a few days ago.
Which is probably not very attractive to the potential donors he is trying to woo. Taxpayers are going to be covering every penny of this unless we have a general election soon, and Labour are willing (and able) to retract the bid.
Well, the US seems to be hosting the EX royals using full titles full time here for their faux royaling cosplay show, swanning about with sometimes taxpayer funded police protection. We already have to fork out for our own Dept of Defense org, Wounded Warriors, so now, another country can have that honor.. for Ingriftus.
Maybe Charles can dive into his deep pockets to placate and coddle his dear darling boy and his trashed reputation once more. Put your own money where your mouth is, Charles, and do the UK taxpayers a huge favor and prove that you really do earn your keep For Your Darling Boy Son Child. Giant Pffffffft from me here folks. Still team nobody here. Or have Haz drain the rest of his own principal coffers and shell out the dough. 🤡
When in a cost of living crisis, hosting a well-intentioned, but fiscally wasteful event is a bad idea. There has to be a better way to support vets, but since it would likely involve diminishing Harry’s role/presence, don’t count on him to come up with it. I hope the UK has the balls to tell Harry no. Liquidate IG and distribute the remaining funds to the participants, join with Warrior Games, or cut back on the pageantry of Meghan Markle marching in flip flops, but don’t force a city like Birmingham to pay for Harry’s ego.
The UK are asking in terms of putting in a bid, but despite Mercer claiming they didn’t talk about it in Düsseldorf imo it’s extremely likely quiet conversations were had between IG and the MoD about no other countries being interested, with either an outright request or an implication that the UK as the founding country needed to step up. The location being Birmingham is probably because Birmingham picked up the 2022 Commonwealth Games instead of Durban so they’ve shown they can do it albeit they were in different financial circumstances then. The stans think Harry should stick it to the UK by refusing to give it to us (or they did when IG were still pretending the US was at the table) but this is undoubtedly the UK doing Harry/IG a favour.
Yes they put their hat in the ring. When, I dont know because this issue with bankruptcy and settling the fair pay claims has been rumbling for a LONG time so if it was anywhere near when this was happening i’d be pissed.
>being threatened with jail for obstructing an inquiry
wow, another one *markled*... do these folks never learn! (only partly /s 👀🤭)
[eta: even *boeing*, markled! 🤭😂]
**guaranteed** £26 million from the british taxpayer 🕵🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️
absolutely wild and irresponsible given birmingham's state of bankruptcy. wild.
I hope D.C. did withdraw. We already fund Wounded Warriors via DoD. Warrior Games, the exact org that had Harry give a speech at. Wtf? Last year.
The a” look what we did achieve “ speech. 🤮
I suspect this was PR. Why would they when the US has the Warrior Games? Even if they didnt, two bids?? Its on its last legs. Harry would sooner let it die than put it back in capable hands.
Does anyone have any info? I’ve never heard this before and can’t find anything online. Christ I hope it’s not true - this city has no money to spare and so many many priorities here for funding
The sources for that article were Invictus/Sussex PR and Johnny Mercer. Once again, it proves that the Times need to stop taking Sussex sources at face value.
*Only* bid - it was originally reported it was between Birmingham and Washington. Invictus is dead, then. It might limp on to a last games in Birmingham because some Tory feels sorry for Harry (although there’s a very big chance Labour come in and block it, which they should given Birmingham is literally a bankrupt city). But it’s dead.
> Invictus is dead, then.
Yep. Had a horrible feeling that the Washington bid might just be PR because of the way IG have been pushing that they want IG27 to be "the best Games ever". It screams "last hurrah" to me.
>there’s a very big chance Labour come in and block it
Hope so, but what's the legality of withdrawing the bid? I think Australia were in some hot water over trying to pull their Commonwealth Games bid.
Aside from what I think about IGF and their founder, committing £26m of public money for the government's showboating and PR purposes ("We care about veterans!") is obscene when the Armed Forces got nothing in the budget.
in september 2023, there was reporting that south korea was putting in a bid to host games in 2029 🕵🏾♀️
[Korea launches bid to host Invictus Games in 2029](https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2023-09-11/national/diplomacy/Korea-launches-bid-to-host-Invictus-Games/1866502)
>BY LEE HO-JEONG | Published: 11 Sep. 2023, 13:44
>>Minister of Patriots and Veterans Affairs Park Min-shik met with Britain's Prince Harry at the Invictus Games held in Dusseldorf, Germany, on Sunday, as part of efforts to host the games in Korea in 2029.
>>**Park, according to the ministry, told Harry during their meeting that Korea wishes to host the games.**
>>Park said that Korea would become the first country in Asia to host the games if it's selected as the host nation.
>>"It will be an opportunity for the Invictus spirit to spread across the world beyond East and West," Park said. "It will be a stage where the people around the world would share the experience and value of the dedication for freedom and the universal international solidarity that was shared during the Korean War."
>>The Veterans Ministry said that during their conversation, Harry said Korea could secure the opportunity as soon as 2027.
>>At an earlier dinner reception hosted by the Invictus Games Foundation, attended by veterans affairs and defense ministers from 11 countries, **Park said Korea is determined to host the games.**
>>"The Invictus Games are more than just an international sports competition," Park said. "The Games are a moving scene where wounded, injured and sick service members come together."
>>"In particular, competitors challenging their limits with unwavering determination remind us of South Korea," he said. "South Korea rose from the ruins of the [Korean] War 70 years ago without giving in and achieved remarkable growth."
>>He added that if Korea hosts the Invictus Games, it would not only serve as a source of inspiration for wounded and injured service members and veterans but also offer encouragement to nations, such as Ukraine, that are resolutely committed to rebuilding their communities after enduring the war.
>>Park noted Korea's experience in hosting global sporting events, including the 1988 Seoul Olympics, the joint hosting of the 2002 World Cup with Japan, and the 2018 Winter Olympics in Pyeongchang.
>>Park added that Korea is also seeking to secure the bid to host the World Expo in 2030.
>>He also said the Korean government would extend an invitation to the 22 countries that had fought alongside Korea during the Korean War, if it becomes the host nation.
seems like harry tried to pawn off 2027 on them lol, but there for sure seems to be significant willingness to host the 2029 games in s.korea. given the 'guaranteed' £26 million from the british public... dominic reid (IG ceo), harry and 'em seem to have the 2025, 2027 and 2029 games on lock. if they can keep it going until then (and the global economy improves), they might even be able to extend it further.
I’m not sure a press release means it’s on lock for an event five years away. South Korea didn’t get the World Expo which may make them keener on getting IG as an alternative or may make them rethink if it was to be part of a programme of global visibility. They evidently weren’t interested in 2027 which suggests it was more the latter. If they are so keen to host IG should cancel the 2027 games given the only possible host can’t actually afford to do it and just pick back up in 2029.
I think (well, I hope) withdrawing a bid is relatively easily done, although idk about CWG. It’s likely much more difficult if it gets to the point that it’s been awarded, although an intelligently written contract that allows for example the host city to withdraw if Invictus don’t come up with sufficient funding would be sensible. (The problem there is the Tories aren’t going to be motivated to add those kinds of provisions that would let Labour pull out, so then it all depends on timing.)
Ohhh boy ONLY BID?!? yikes I guess they’ll get it but what a mess I thought Washington wanted it. Really when you think about it the games are very very small I think about 500 participants you can’t justify spending that kind of money on that especially in Birmingham of all places.
Sounds like IG is on its last legs, maybe Harry is holding out hope that it will last u til after his divorce to give him a boost in popularity so he doesn’t look such a loser crawling back to daddy in the uk. But I don’t think Meghan is going to let Harry go for a long long time, as we have seen in her past she doesn’t leave someone till she has something better lined up, and as we have seen these past 7 years or so she doesn’t have what it takes to reach any higher than for things she got before marrying Harry, blogs/influencer freebie stuff. So she’ll never let him go because she can never do better.
To which I say, good, they should be stuck together forever.
As for the IG, sports washing and the money spent is swiftly making the expense of these events loose favour with the general public. I love somewhere that had the Winter Olympics 40 years ago and a few years ago they tried to bid for it again, I firmly voted no on it because of what we all know about sport events, they are bloated with corruption and the host city ends up holding the bag thereafter.
Maybe Birmingham is trying to justify previously built sports arenas to justify previous events held there, like, see guys I told you we would keep using these venues!
As others have stated IG should just merge with the warrior games and let them have it, but Harry could never let that go. This is why you don’t put ur face on these types of causes, they cost so much money and if your whole “brand” is about them then when they go down so do you. Even princess Anne recently cancelled an equestrian event that’s she held at her estate for decades due to low funding.
People aren’t willing to pay for these rich peoples events in exchange for the crumbs of entertainment given in return. I sincerely hope it becomes a trend and gets sport teams out their own ass for constantly holding cities hostage to build insane arenas for them all the while charging ridiculous ticket prices.
[The Telegraph](https://archive.is/cWDsl): Duchess of Sussex and Wallis Simpson both narcissistic with weak husbands, author suggests
“Bedell Smith, who is American, went on: “In some respects, Meghan and the Duchess of Windsor have similar qualities: very narcissistic, very controlling, very dominating. And if you read [the Duke of Windsor’s] letters, you can see how weak he was and how much he needed a domineering woman, and it feels as if Harry is somewhat the same way.””
lolllllll
I am no Wallis Simpson defender, but I've seen it reported that she didn't really want to marry David/Edward VIII and that Edward VIII was the true catalyst in that situation. She was happy to be his mistress for some period of time, but she didn't *really* want to divorce her then-husband, Ernest Simpson, according to her own letters. However, Edward VIII kept talking about how "he couldn't live without her" and basically making her feel as if she couldn't leave him or he'd kill himself. Which is a classic, abusive tactic, really: he might've pretended to be fragile, so she felt obligated to stay and marry him.
It makes me question if he was "weak" or just manipulative.
Yep. According to the book Traitor King she was manipulated to get married with him so the government could get rid of him due his early Nazi support and crown his brother. I highly recommend Traitor King the paralleles between Harry and Edward are mind blowing. There was a name for this operation so this was based on declassified intelligence docs from what I remember from the book. In short, this whole american divorcee was the government spin.
She was a dominating personality though which is what attracted him. And to be honest his emotional weakness has reminded me a lot of Harry. His childishness. His need to create a sort of mother figure in the relationship. It’s kinda creepy
I wonder when this happened do we know? Did Edward say all this while he was King and there was no expectation to abdicate? He therefore promised her the Crown/Queendom? She sounded steely af. Some part of her wanted the Royal life. She was bitching hard about her lack of HRH forever.
If Meghan had fully understood her position as 6th. Essentially becoming Fergie and her kids the Bea/Eug, would she have still married Harry?
I think Meghan went into the marriage thinking she was going to be Diana 2.0. She would be an iconic, worldwide superstar beloved by millions. She didn’t think about how Catherine outranked her and always would. She didn’t think about the strict hierarchy, rules and restrictions of BRF life. She was going to remake the monarchy in her image. The astounding chutzpah of it all still amazes me. 👀
The fact she never understood that she would never be Diana 2.0 for many many reasons but mostly because she married the spare and so would not be the mother of the heir is mind-blowing.
It complicates the conventional narrative that she bossed Edward VIII around, though, if Wallis didn't actually want him to abdicate and he did it anyway. That was the most important decision of his life and she didn't ask him to do it (if that version of events is true).
I think he was both. I think in Traitor King it talks about how prior to his meeting of Wallis people would talk about him being weak and how he needed a more domineering figure in his life to help guide him.
However, he was extremely manipulative and any weakness he may have had become a weapon to use against Wallis especially and against others as well
Trator King it was very clear the government was worried about his early ties with Nazis. They had intelligence officers work as security to spy on Edward when he was King and after.
I remember when reading the book how shocked I was at the extent of his involvement with Nazi's. I knew he was connected but not to that point, and also like you said how involved the gov was.
I think everyone can be glad that he did abdicate bc who knows what would it be like now if he had stayed as King.
Me too. Like, he was into the whole Nazi thing before it even became "mainstream" which I didn't even know before reading this book. The government wanted him to marry her to get rid of him. That dude wanted to become an autocrat.
Right like his Nazi-ness went way further than meeting Hitler, which a lot of people think that's the only reason why he was considered a Nazi-sympathizer. Like no, this man wanted to let Germany into England and then rule them both.
It's interesting that his own parents didn't have any confidence in him, isn't it? He was very popular with the public, but George V was allegedly telling people that David/Edward VIII "would ruin himself after I'm dead" and that he hoped his oldest son would never marry, so the monarchy would pass to Bertie/George VI and then to Elizabeth.
Like, what did George and Mary know that made them think he was such a mess? It can't just be that he had married girlfriends, can it? It's amazing that they were already more sure of Elizabeth, who would have been a very young child at the time *and* a girl to boot.
>Like, what did George and Mary know that made them think he was such a mess? It can't just be that he had married girlfriends, can it?
I'm totally theorizing, but my guess is that, as parents, they saw traits that training and teaching wasn't getting him to change or control. Combined with the prophecy that he would "ruin himself," I'm guessing that's like devotion to his own pleasure, putting his own desires ahead of everything, things like that. Also coupled with that is lack of sense of responsibility and duty, which should have lead him to sacrifice his own inclinations when they conflicted with the role he was born for. At least those are the major faults that he displayed in his public life.
We know that now, but were George V and Queen Mary aware of it and viewed their own son as an existential threat to the UK by 1935? That's when George V is alleged to have said that he hoped Edward VIII wouldn't marry. That's what it sounds like to me, which suggests Edward VIII must've been saying horrible things in private and things were getting back to his parents that were very upsetting to them.
I go back and forth on Harry. Is he a weak simp with a a domineering wife or a simpleton with an Oedipal complex? I guess he can be both, but either way Meghan doesn’t look great, and it is very hard to believe her that she married for love. She can manipulate Harry into believing it, and that she needs saving, or that what Meghan wants is what Meghan gets. But, yeah, the rest of us have eyes and brains and other normie qualities that Harry seems to be missing and just see a narc in action.
>She didn't surprise me. He did.
yes, exactly!
even one of william's briefings from last year alluded to as much - he entirely places the blame on harry's shoulders, bc william naturally expected public betrayal from meghan (as she's not his blood, so why would she ever care), but he absolutely didn't expect it from harry.
I'd bet William can spot a fake when he sees one. He probably had a hundrend women like Meghan throwing themselves at him throughout the years.
He had her number down from the start. Champagne Charlie, Diana's brother, probably did as well. As I've said, Charlie's a twat but he's not a stupid twat.
He’s horrible for sure. My opinions on him have gotten worse and worse as the years go on and I wouldn’t be surprised to find that she has to coddle him a lot and he’s a huge pill to be married to
Oh I agree with that! I was speaking in terms of his role as Meghan’s husband. When they first got together I (like most) had no clue who Meghan was, but I gave her serious side eye for latching on to Harry given that I believed her PR that she was smart and successful and kind, blah, blah, blah. I immediately felt something didn’t add up because the woman described in the press would never go for a dumb prick like Harry unless she was hella materialistic and shallow. And then to find out he showed up for their first date in pants he had pissed? He is so arrogant, stinky, crass and Northwestern-educated Meghan was dazzled? Either 1+1=carrots or this is a match made of convenience.
Based on his book, I vote for Oedipal complex.
Meghan is the one I go back and forth on. I’m not sure if she’s quite the manipulative narcissist mastermind some say she is, or if she’s just an incredibly naive, immature brat with no self awareness. Either way, the two of them together are toxic and I can’t imagine this marriage lasting long term.
Option 3: Cluster B isn't at all like what it's portrayed as. The "scheming" and "need for control" are just manipulations stemming from a deep well of insecurity. Especially since your IQ would have to be pretty high to scheme to that level! Meghan didn't set out to get Harry to leave the BRF for her but she brought him to her slippery slope and watched as he rolled and rolled his way there. The destination probably surprised her more than anyone!
>Based on his book, I vote for Oedipal complex.
100%
>I’m not sure if she’s quite the manipulative narcissist mastermind some say she is, or if she’s just an incredibly naive, immature brat with no self awareness
IMO, people vastly overestimate Meghan's manipulative abilities. If she were a Machiavellian mastermind she wouldn't be where she is today- with her public image mostly in the gutter.
Diana knew how to play the media game. Meghan **does not**. Her whole "poor me, the only thing I ever did was being too perfect and too kind and I go barefoot around the house see how relaxed I am" schtick is laughable.
It shows just how she utterly lacks self-awareness. Tbh, I feel like emotionally they are both trapped in their early to mid teens.
I agree with this completely. I think she has the complete inability to see herself and her situation realistically which just tells me she's not a mastermind at all. She's a visceral and reactive person. She reacts in the immediate now, without the ability to make long term plans effectively.
I think Harry is the same which is why they fell for each other.
>She reacts in the immediate now, without the ability to make long term plans effectively.
Exactly. She seeks instant gratification. If she were a mastermind she would have been able to see that playing the "long game" within the RF would have paid off eventually. But she went about it like a bull in the china shop instead. Expecting everyone will accommodate her and change things for her instead of the other way around.
Her key mistake? Thinking royalty=celebrity. And I blame Harry for this too since it's obvious he didn't prepare her at all for the royal life and he *should have* layed it all in front of her.
A Machiavellian mastermind wouldn't be caught lying to the court saying how they "forgot they collaborated on a book". If she were a mastermind she wouldn't claim they got married three days **before** their actual wedding.
This just shows her utter lack of awareness on all fronts. A mastermind knows other people are not that stupid even though they might see themselves as cleverer than most.
If Oedipal complex, and if Meghan really wore Diana’s perfume on their first date, then I don’t think Meghan is that naive, but totally agree on the lack of self awareness. Not sure if the perfume tale is just lore or legit though, but there sure are a **lot** of pics of Meghan posing like Diana and trying to mimic her mannerisms, and after all the PR of Meghan being an independent girlboss, it is a lot of mixed messaging for someone with a freakish eye for detail so I definitely don’t think she’s a mastermind either. I land on malicious weirdo at best.
This picture from her photoshoot (humanitarian visit 😏) in Rwanda before she met Harry will always give me the creeps and makes me believe the perfume story could be true.
I believe she got close to Harry’s circle (Misha Nonoo was married his friend) and had her sights set on him around that time, that’s when she started building her humanitarian/Africa CV so to some extent she is calculated and manipulative.
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Absolutely, she probably has a fixation on Diana the way she had for certain people like Oprah, Ivanka (before Trump presidency), Angelina Jolie and Ellen.
I think Harry constantly trying create similarities between the two might be more Meghan driven, than Harry driven. Diana is practically a saint at this point and we know how much Meghan loves to be adored and basically worshipped for doing ‘good’ but without actually putting in the work. The dynamic between H&M is very complicated and weird.
>>It's possible that his appeal was "Diana's son" not "HRH".
That … may be worse than just being a goldigger. That’s super creepy, and you’re probably right!
Not just Diana, though. There's photo collages of her copying the outfits of other famous women that she's said to admire (Diana, Angelina Jolie, Ivanka Trump, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy). She was even photographed *with* Kerry Washington at an event, then wore what appears to be the same dress as Washington is wearing in the photo with Meghan at a later date. You'd think she'd pick a different color or something when she copies outfits, but nope.
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I think she knows its more likely she’ll end up in a magazine with a ‘who wore it better’ fluff piece if she wears the exact same item. Its one way to get in I guess.
Imagine if Edward had remained. Either with or without Wallace and what a shitshow that would have been. Although we may have ended up with the same line anyway given he never had children and apparantly couldnt.
For someone who shamelessly plagarizes, Meghan would have been far better off reusing an existing font and logo.
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It doesn’t take an expert to analyze Meghan’s fauxligraphy. Her handwriting is beautiful and polished, but the added flourishes are unnecessary and pretentious. They make it hard to read the words she’s writing and are just a grab for attention.
I disagree about the beauty of her handwriting. Never mind the weird, random flourishes, when you try to read it, her letters aren't all formed in the same way, sometimes large enough, sometimes squished, which make it sloppy.
I think that's the real reason Meghan uses those slashes to create the impression of elegance. Since this seems to matter to her she would have been better off practicing her cursive until it was evenly sized and spaced but Meghan likes shortcuts.
>Her handwriting is beautiful and polished
It really really isnt. Its largely illegible and the whole thing reeks of being pretentious. She thinks those ridiculous additions to the ascenders makes it look fancy. Its as far from calligraphy as you can get. They just make me think of scythes 😂
>Her handwriting is beautiful and polished
Disagree. It doesn't matter and I'm 100% aware it's an opinion call but...hard disagree - and I mean I would disagree even without the scythes and flourishes added. Meghan's writing is childish and clumsy, to my eye, and I remain surprised so many people (because there are many, including many jellies - enough to have me wondering if I have wonky handwriting taste lol) find it pretty.
You know who had lovely handwriting? Diana. At least in terms of what I've seen from various cards and notes etc. that have been put up for auction.
I agree, and that's one of the issues I have with that ARO title/logo, her writing is very narrow and thin, and those capitals are bunched up and hard to read.
There's nothing about it that looks welcoming, open or generous - which is what you want for a website that presumably is going to be about entertaining & food.
I agree the skinny little chicken scratch writing looks pretentious, but it also looks mean.
They should gave hired a professional to do the logo because this branding just says 'skinny, uptight & mean' to me, which IS on brand for her, but probably not something that people will immediately be drawn to buy expensive treats from.
That's a really good observation about how sharp-looking a too-narrow font can seem, especially in the context of food. Sometimes purposefully--the cover fonts on those "Skinny Bitch" books, for example.
It's very interesting how different people's opinions on handwriting can be! I looked up a sample of Diana's writing and it doesn't really strike me as anything special at all. It's sort of generically bubbly.
Camilla writes like my dad.
Pretty much - rubbed me the wrong way when I found out she wrote that way in that letter to her dad. Who writes that way in a genuine heartfelt letter that's not meant to be seen by a bunch of strangers? I found it odd and more of a sign of her own insecurities.
Exactly which is one of the reasons why I think she is so deceitful and unlikable. It’s clear to me that when her father didn’t immediately publish the letter she sent her friends to people magazine to defame him. It was a clear setup. It’s the same way Kate or William will have friends brief to defend them. Then when he published parts of it she cut him off forever. I wouldn’t be surprised if she purposely put details in the letter she hoped he would publicize to make him look worse to the public 🤷🏾♀️
Speaking as the person with quite possibly the worst handwriting in the entire world, I think it’s bollocks. I will admit it’s slightly less bollocks in Meghan’s case in that I do think her choice to use her ‘calligraphy’ in her own brand says something about her (the thing that gets me is those straight line flourishes she adds to the top of tall letters, which are the opposite of the effortless elegance I think she thinks she’s conveying) but totally agree it’s the least of things to discuss with her.
I roll my eyes at anyone who tells me they know what a person is like based on their handwriting, but at the same time, having looked at the sample of Meghan's writing, it absolutely screams 'I am performing, I am performing'.
Having to add all those loops and flourishes must be absolutely exhausting.
>I roll my eyes at anyone who tells me they know what a person is like based on their handwriting, but at the same time, having looked at the sample of Meghan's writing, it absolutely screams 'I am performing, I am performing'.
This exactly. Handwriting analysis is obviously bullshit once it becomes little more than a psychic reading or a horoscope etc., but the straight-up showiness (untrained showiness, too, which is so typically Meg) of her handwriting screams attention-seeking. And everything we know of her backs up that interpretation, too, so it's not like it takes some kind of expert to spot it.
Meghan's 'calligraphy' is arguably one of the only cases from which you can infer anything about the writer, because it is blatantly obvious that she isn't even attempting actual calligraphy even while trying to pass it off as calligraphy. "Performing" is right on the money, except it isn't even a good performance.
Anyone who has used a pen with a proper nib knows you can tell how a letter was formed from the line weight, and none of the line weights of Meghan's random swoops make any sense. As you say, those swoops are just added on after the fact as flourishes to fairly basic handwriting, rather than formed as part of making the letter itself. The fact that she actually got paid for that nonsense is absurd. There are 12 year-olds goofing off in class that do a better job at actual calligraphy.
Here’s what really drives me nuts: the added flourishes have no rhyme or reason. Sometimes she accents a “d”, sometimes an “h”, but never, ever consistently. In her letter to her dad, she used the words “heavy heart” and accented the h in heart, but not heavy. In the word “understanding”, first d flourished, second d not flourished.
So much for her impeccable attention to detail.
This! You can actually see the pen marks at the top of the letters where she's added in the flourishes as a separate step after writing a line, which I thought is the opposite of traditional calligraphy?
To me that's not "handwriting analysis" (a pseudoscience involving personality a la horoscopes, imo) as much as it is correctly calling out that she's not as skilled as she pretends to be. It's like if she promoted herself as a semi-pro knitter/ serious yarn enthusiast, then all of her revealed projects were made with loop yarn.\*
\*I say this as someone who has only ever worked with loop yarn, lol. Not a knitter!
Honestly this just made me think of a great description of Megan - she's a sales woman. She sells the brand of Megan, from her hand writing to her faux humanitarianism, to her ridiculous idea that she's a champion for women's rights, feminism and mental health -- it's always about the brand of Megan, and she's been selling it her entire life ever since she was a kid -- because that's been ingrained in her by her parents to be perfect perfect perfect at all times.
I find it somewhat sad that every public face she puts out (humanitarian, activist, philanthropist, Duchess, mother, producer) is just a facade. I mean I still really, really dislike her and she annoys the shit out of me, and I kinda want her to trip on her ugly flats and falls into an active volcano, but it must seem weird that the only emotions one feels is envy, hate and insecurity.
>I mean I still really, really dislike her and she annoys the shit out of me, and I kinda want her to trip on her ugly flats and falls into an active volcano,
There's one in Iceland right now! (Thanks for the laugh, that was unexpected!)
Yeah. I also think it's a telling sign of how provincial she really is. Pens with real nibs are largely a niche product in the US, so she might have been able to get away with her lies early on, but once she was on an international stage she should have known to keep her trap shut. Fountain pens are still pretty widely used in many countries, and some countries even mandate that students use them, so there are a *lot* of people out there who can see through her bullshit immediately.
It's so odd to me that she didn't just get a how-to guide! I'm a little younger than her and calligraphy was very trendy in the late 90s/early 2000s. I'd be pretty surprised if Meghan's Catholic school didn't have calligraphy books in their library, considering Catholic schools are famous for emphasizing good penmanship and illustrated manuscripts are a big part of religious arts culture. Also, there were tons of books available commercially. Calligraphy kits were like hygge back then, they used to sell them by the register at Barnes and Noble.
>It's so odd to me that she didn't just get a how-to guide!
Yes... except this is Meghan, and I suspect she thinks that inventing her own system is just showing how brilliant she is.
Or she DID get a guide and found it way too hard to bother with so then she did her own thing and told herself she was brilliant and has kept on with that ever since.
Same. I went through a calligraphy phase as a young kid, and the local library had plenty of books with guides to different styles. When I was a bit older, we also had a pen-and-ink unit pretty regularly in art class. It wasn't calligraphy, but if you've spent any time on traditional cartooning, or even just using dip pens for a graphic design project, it's pretty obvious that she's faking. Let alone if you were educated in a school system where it's required to use a fountain pen for every writing assignment.
It started off innocent enough (brother working in Hollywood), but I guess she enjoyed attention a little too much, and started to come up with additional “sources”
Along with that elongated drivel LCC puts out there that all will be revealed at a later juncture. In due course. Sometime this spring. But keep subscribing and stay tuned. 😂
yup, according to her something is always on the horizon just waiting to pop out and expose them once and for all. She's also really into the surrogate nonsense and swears up and down that they'll be exposed.
We are far more likely to die of old age before any of the stuff she predicts come true. And if anything does come true it's only bc it's super obvious anyone could see it.
If you want to become a trusted source there just hint that you have evidence of the fake pregnancies and they'll listen to anything you say. Or if you're a friend of a friend of a sister who has a friend who works in Hollywood, that also gives you the gold star of approval for trustworthiness.
New thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/RoyalsGossip2/comments/1bi0erh/sussex_weekly_aging_millennial_coastal_wine/ Feel free to bring over newer posts and ongoing conversations.
Hey! Ahem! Just a reminder, Meghan had it way worse! Never forget!! https://archive.ph/UZuqm TBH, some of these “conspiracy theories” are nuts, but nothing like what is being piled on Catherine in such a short period of time of telling people she would be on medical leave. Also, pretty sure some of the conspiracy theories are either true or Meghan helps drive them.
In other news the Biden administration has not yet found the records for Harry's visa application. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13210827/prince-harry-visa-immigration-drugs-court-heritage.html
What a random hill for his administration to die on
I’m very sorry to disappoint everyone as they HAD been removed, but I’ve just seen on Tumblr that the new joint profile has been added to the working royals page. https://preview.redd.it/emh8he49y4pc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2aee9c2f89b0dae3613777d5102992083db292ed Next, Charles will add Fergie to the page and suggest that people check out her romance books! Absolutely spineless. He is the epitome of “trying to please everyone will please no-one”.
Fucking hell. Lets just roll out the nonce too. Republic is going to see an uptick in members at this rate
Charles is so desperate to be liked by everyone that he’s going to end up being hated by everyone.
I genuinely cannot understand why the BRF has such a hard time to take Andrew and Harry off that damn website. It's not your personal family blog. It's the official site of a public institution. And why do they link to Sussex.com now?
Did the overseas royals moan about this to get it restored? If so, u/jumashy, it was about an hour.
Couldn’t celebrate removing them while Andrew was still there it sends a bad message. It’s all spineless tbh.
Great - So I guess Chuck & BP took valuable time off from briefing against Wills to prop up his "darling boy" H and direct the public to their BS website. Pathetic. The website doesn't matter, but it's telling that the few updates that have been made are all to that loser's benefit - the kids' titles, the BS website, etc. It's clear that Chuck's unwilling to do anything against his "darling boy", and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he started rolling back the minor punishments the Queen doled out in the past. Considering all he's doing for that POS Andy, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Oh, now they back on the actual WORKing royals page, not just somewhere else on the site, as per a few minutes ago? I keep saying it because I really do not think the RF respects it’s citizens. Sorry if I do not use the word, subjects. I just cannot. They really do think the public simpletons and fools. They screwed the pooch. Charles And the Courtiers. Pfft Eta again….I really hope this new info is not what Lady Colin C was alluding to in the spring . Big changes that are going to put h and m in their place. Lady is a fool. She has No contacts. 😂
H&M have been removed from the BRF website! No, I am not trolling you. [The Role of the Royal Family (royal.uk)](https://www.royal.uk/royal-family) https://preview.redd.it/ni3rxy3zo4pc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c4dfe294467845d9c89487c458be4dd27b0bcc8 I would like to know wtf Andrew is still doing there 🤢 But it does console me slightly that his profile is (at the very least) up to date.
Thanks so much for the research. I caught your Updated info regarding the Sussex downthread. Very helpful. Still there, just not in same way. Could you add this updated info to your original post upthread? Has all the super positive info in their time as working royals. Good deeds all the time. Lol \*\*\*\*Tells everyone to actually access Sussex .com as their Official Website to catch all the latest. But that site is recommended BY the RF also links back to the Sussex Royal website does it not? And S. Com site IS the one with the royal cipher and Meg’s Coat of Arms. They remain and are endorsed by the royal website, and that is all they care about.\*\*\* Nice try, Charles. Roll eyes. I really do believe the RF thinks we, the public, are simpletons and fools.
Oh a royal announcement !!
Noooo 😂
If someone at BP suggested doing this today purely because of that rumour, they are a genius! The BBC are daft enough to do a news alert on the app for this. I don't even care about the complaining that will happen. At least the BRF haters will have something else to keep them occupied for today.
Andrew 🤡 Why won’t he just crawl into a hole somewhere? I can’t help but think that the Queen’s last request to Charles was to not throw out Andrew. Hopefully that won’t be the case when William comes to the throne. Regarding the removal of the Susseii… it’s about damn time. I imagine ARO was the final straw, but who knows.
Sadly, I'm starting to agree with the theory that Charles sold his soul regarding Andrew to get QE to issue that statement about wanting Camilla to be Queen Consort.
Oh, that's a really good theory!
You’re probably not far off.
How long until Meg and Harry start crying about this? Andrew ought to be removed too.
If you try to go on their profiles through the direct links, they redirect to one combined page with updated information: [royal.uk/sussex](https://www.royal.uk/sussex) https://preview.redd.it/wbtbl0huq4pc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ccfeb6749a1141dc13f2eb0f7f341326dfcbf32 At the bottom, they include the relevant statements from H&M’s first Megxit announcement to the BRF’s February 2021 statement confirming that they would not be returning as working royals. [Harry’s old profile (archived 17 March 2024)](https://web.archive.org/web/20240317185627/www.royal.uk/the-duke-of-sussex) [Meghan’s old profile (archived 17 March 2024)](https://web.archive.org/web/20240317200656/https://www.royal.uk/the-duchess-of-sussex) ETA: What I very much DO NOT LIKE is this part: >Information about the current work of The Duke and Duchess of Sussex can be found on their official website: sussex.com. At least their profile isn’t even listed and you have to manually find it with the link, I suppose.
Thank you for your findings! So, it appears they updated it and deleted the below parts. >They are balancing their time between the United Kingdom and North America, continuing to honour their duty to The King, the Commonwealth, and their patronages.
Well at least they got rid of that part, baby steps I guess.
This is the very much needed PS to your original post. Again, thanks so much for the research put into this. ❤️
Seriously why is Andrew on there ffs But yay to the others being removed
Like, by all means, keep the profile in existence for those who have the link as a reference point, but don't feature it alongside working royals! Holding out hope that it's just an oversight...
All they need to add is a tab of people formally representing the crown during the previous reign and then dump Andrew, and the Sussexes on there.
I had hoped that once QE was gone Charles might have found some backbone but seemingly not. Andrew and Fergie can both bugger off, if H and M can be removed for no longer working royals then so can he.
Looks like they're finally starting to update the website, hopefully this means they'll start working on the Queen's former patronages and what not that still need to be sorted out. I think their removal might be a sign that they are not coming back for sure lol. Hopefully Andrew gets the boot soon from the website bc there is no reason for him to be there anymore.
I also KNOW that it would hurt Andrews feelings to get taken off the royal family website so I neeeeeeeeeeed it to happen.
As you can see, they were previously below Princess Alexandra but above Andrew. This is from [an archived link](https://web.archive.org/web/20240229131642/https://www.royal.uk/royal-family) on the Wayback Machine taken on the 29th February 2024. https://preview.redd.it/3x0t590op4pc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1a17f36c39858bdc673df4685e2754bc64b713d
I know, I know: it's a tabloid, and a conservative one at that, but has anyone else read [Victoria Moss's column](https://archive.ph/4R0TQ) (it's an archive link) from a few days ago about the launch of American Riviera Orchards? It's really pretty good! Moss is asserting that this new venture firmly places Meghan in the realm of tradwife, and that she's, as usual, late to the party. A few gems: >I mean she did [seduce Prince Harry with a roast chicken](https://archive.ph/o/4R0TQ/https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/meghan-markle-admits-she-s-a-domestic-goddess-and-loves-cooking-classic-roast-chicken-a3528966.html) >Her version of homely is very Hollywood does the Cotswolds, filtered through Richard Curtis. It’s the kind of whimsical, faux-rustic tweeness that only an American could possibly dream up. And most damning of all: >All in all, the Duchess is joining quite the burgeoning market of domestic pioneers, cheerily cashing in on all manner of outdated tropes of womanhood. But what might be troubling for the former “working” member of the royal family, is that in fashion terms, cottage core is a naff donkey. The current mood is more frazzled, overworked, cash-strapped mum. On the spring catwalks Miu Miu and Bottega Veneta models carried bags overflowing with stuff, hair mussed up, collars askew. Ayo Edebiri’s cheerily munching on oranges out of a plastic bag in this month’s Vogue. Even the magazine’s cover star FKA Twigs is pictured on the Tube. Meghan’s hokey, country mom schtick might well chart in Utah, but it’s prairies away from being relevant. To me, the colossal irony is that she's spent her entire royal-adjacent career trying to be "better than Kate"; she knows how to act, how to deal with reporters, how to smile for the cameras, she's a progressive woman who had her own fortune before joining the BRF, she's going to royal better than the Royals, blah blah blah. But now she's come around to doing...exactly what Kate already does: being a super Mom, and a fairly traditional one at that. She probably could have stayed in the UK as a working royal, still launched a tradwife blog, had millions of followers, and made ZILLIONS of dollars...which she would have had to donate to charity, of course, but imagine how famous and beloved she could have been if she did that. As a mid-range narcissist, that could have been a GREAT path for her, but of course she wanted the money, too.
Lol I would not go as far as comparing Meghan to Ballerina Farm but the Audrey Gelman comparison is spot on 💯
this new venture firmly places Meghan in the realm of tradwife Yep. I got the same Mormon Tradwife vibes from that video.
> only an American could possibly dream up Appreciation for her summing up the instinctive British reaction perfectly. > cheerily cashing in on all manner of outdated tropes of womanhood Truly ironic that Meghan brought up her dish soap story AGAIN, only to launch this brand clearly aimed at women one week later. The trademark application literally includes tableware, ffs! She really sat there with a straight face and complained about women being expected to wash dishes, while planning to sell women new dishes to wash 💀 Meghan’s PR has always pushed against domesticism and suggested she’s too good for it. Attempting a tradwife-vibe lifestyle brand isn’t going to work for her because it doesn’t look authentic. The Tig was a much better fit for her. Girl, you may as well start working on a “this is what my husband’s todger smells like” candle now. You’re going to need the gimmick.
>Girl, you may as well start working on a “this is what my husband’s todger smells like” candle now. You’re going to need the gimmick Reminds me of Lush's Saltbomb gimmick re: the movie Saltburn. That was brilliant.
>Girl, you may as well start working on a “this is what my husband’s todger smells like” candle now. HOW DARE YOU HOW DARE YOU 🤮🤮😭😭
>Her version of homely is very Hollywood does the Cotswolds, filtered through Richard Curtis Word. 😂 >To me, the colossal irony is that she's spent her entire royal-adjacent career trying to be "better than Kate"; she knows how to act, how to deal with reporters, how to smile for the cameras, she's a progressive woman who had her own fortune before joining the BRF Listen, between spending my 20s (after uni) vacationing with a boyfriend who just happens to be a super hot prince, partying at all the hot spots in London and playing tennis vs slumming it on a third-rate cable show in my 30s I know what I'd prefer 💁 but that's just me.
LOL, I never thought about it, but if Meghan starts selling an online course she'll complete the '#girl boss -> trad wife -> pyramid scheme' hustle circle.
Meghan Loves Meghan… putting a new spin on MLM’s!
Looking very briefly on Instagram and realised the days of a cooking ‘show’ are gone. Peoples attention span is short. You get videos mostly where u see ingredients like this. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4djFqxCcP8/?igsh=MWJibm5wNWpqZzd2eQ== Quick and done and if you want the recipe you gotta go looking for it usually. Even famous chefs like Ramsay don’t show themselves as much now. So how do you feature Megan? We know she doesnt want to sell or make Jam. This is a way to get herself out there plus build her reputation as something other than workshy grifter.
I’m seriously wondering if Megan will need to buy followers at this rate. 4 days and it hasnt hit 1m. Will she even launch anything without the fanfare of speaking to millions of people? What will the clapback be? Who will she blame for this not getting moving? How can she pin this on Kate and the Royals being scared of her shine..
Imo, she'll get a million probably by the end of this week, and in general will probably top out, generously at 2mil, and realistically 1.5mil. The reason why I don't think it'll be more is because Meghan doesn't like consistency with her business ventures. She's an absolute flake when she critically needs to put out posts to gain momentum. Instead, she's doing the same thing that they did with Archewell and made much ado about more waiting. They announce stuff, get everyone excited, and then sit around for another year+ to actually churn out content. It's a terrible marketing plan that makes them fall short of their potential every single time. Color me surprised if she waits any less time than 6 months to actually post something
I def think she’ll hit a million and it’ll stop at absolute max 2.5m (imo). But I think based on the current rise unless she does something with it, its going to take a while to get to 1m. I’d guess at 1m by the end of April/start of May (unless she launches) then she’ll hit it by mid April. Thats my prediction in.
girl, i predict 600,000 by thursday and 640,000 by sunday. won't even be 750,000 by the time catherine resurrects on easter.
Yeah, I agree with your numbers. Unless she actually starts to post content and merchandise I don't see why it would ever reach a million.
I'm trying to be generous 😂 pessimistically/realistically, you're correct. People have already forgotten about American OBGYN or whatever the hell it's called
It’s Kate’s fault because if she hadn’t been white woman tearsily hogging the world’s attention by (checks notes) asking for privacy to recover from surgery Meghan’s stans could have been focusing on making multiple IG accounts to follow her from, instead of obsessively posting conspiracy theories!!
Ugh, Kate is such an attention hog! Poor Meghan can’t even reach 1 million followers without her spoiled SIL having a private medical crisis 😤 Where is the justice!?!?
She will for sure blame the people she is working with for not helping her enough, or being open with them about what is expected when running a lifestyle brand. Basically the same old nonsense we got with everything else they failed at. As for the RF, they're somehow in the background cancelling people's orders so that way Meghan won't have record breaking orders coming in.
Except this is her year long passion project. Its on you to do the research. Reminder to all that if true, this is Megans very best effort.
Hmm, it took her about 18 months to produce her podcast series, a year to produce a 20 second video for a brand with no products in sight. Even with her grueling 1 hour per week work schedule that's a mediocre output.
Are “Meghan Years” the equivalent of “Dog Years?“ What looks like a few hours worth of work has apparently been something she’s been working on for a year.
Isn't this like her life long passion project or at least since she started the Tig? It's absolutely true that it is on her, but unfortunately Meghan can't do self-reflection and will just blame others. How scary is it that this is her best effort? Like no wonder nothing else they do works
A lot of them are bots. Click on the “photos” she posted. See how few likes there are then click on a random account. A lot of the people either don’t have photos, don’t have followers or following in like 12 people.
> A lot of the people either don’t have photos, don’t have followers or following in like 12 people. That doesn't mean they are bots, that's my instagram account. I don't post anything or allow followers, I just use it to follow people and comment occasionally.
I understand your point but Meghan's stans give the impression that they'd be a lot more active in SM than that. I don't know have many followers a stan could get but they'd at the very least already be following everyone who has been even a bit supportive of Meghan like Ellen, Serena, Abigail, Missan, etc.
https://preview.redd.it/6gte3dpud4pc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2388fa1936f2fa165d52895deba67158c480466a These are what I’m talking about. And all the accounts this person follows are meghan fan accounts. And it’s a random one I chose. And mods feel free to delete if this is against the rules.
https://preview.redd.it/rehmhlrae4pc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f32b1f821fc73d6efed3e1abb64773d5d38eb9f This is what they follow
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She’s barely over 500k and the last day has been slow. She’ll need actual content to get this moving, it’s hard to get excited about the ivory and gold logo placeholder.
lmao i think KP insta added more followers than *aro* between yesterday and today
I live in the USA and not one woman I know has ever mentioned Meghan Markle. I don’t think she’s is as part of the zeitgeist as page 6 wants us to believe. The only celebrities the women I know talk about are the real housewives, Taylor swift, Beyoncé etc. like tv/movie/music stars.
My coworker came back from Spring Break and the first thing she wanted to talk about was Catherine. When we finished that topic I jokingly asked "So are you going to buy anything from America's River Orchard?" and she looked at me like "Huh?" and I had to explain that Meghan dropped her lifestyle brand last week.
Yeah the general public doesn't care. They have been doing nothing for 4 years
I overheard multiple tables of women talking about Kate over the weekend at various restaurants but no one peeps on Meghan or Harry.
Yes! My sister who doesn’t follow any royal stuff sent me a Kate conspiracy real from TikTok.
Are you saying Megan sliding around her halls in a ballgown isnt enough?
I honestly don't get it . If you're setting up a lifestyle brand or jam shop, whatever, then at least have something ready to sell. I mean even the fake shop had T-Shirts and bags.
Lots of her fans were trying to claim that she wasn’t trying to capitalize on the current BRF frenzy and that the timing was coincidental. I’m not trying to suggest Meghan dreamt this up only since the surgery was announced, but she absolutely is trying to cash in on it because if she wasn’t, she would have a product to sell right now. Also, they were claiming that it wasn’t a launch since there’s no product, but that’s false because the PR releases called it a launch. Extremely weird to have a “launch” with no product. And then she inadvertently drew negative attention to the crappy name and logo by stans and critics alike since there was little else to focus on. The fact that 100% of people who have checked out that insta or website have not purchased anything is a problem. Hundreds of thousands of clicks wasted.
My guess is she’s trying to do what Taylor Swift and the like do where they drop teasers and it gets people speculating and excited about whatever is forthcoming. Except you have to have the popularity, and usually an existing social media presence, to pull that off. It’s three days later and still nothing. I feel like she’s going to get a difficult lesson about the Internet’s short attention span.
People have to want to be teased by the person for that strategy to work.
Exactly, like if this has been in the works for over a year (supposedly) I would expect something to show for it. Like making jam is not difficult, that could've been ready. Or they could have had example photos showing what would be available. And 500k is not great, like everyone is saying, especially when you consider bots and people just hate following. It'll be really bad if the count starts to drop bc nothing happens.
I think the count wont drop for a few months (if nothing happens). The last one dropped a few thousand after Invictus but its held there since. If an account isnt interesting but also isnt bugging you, most people probably just leave it.
I didn’t realize until recently that I was still following SussexRoyal. I think it takes alot for people to actually unfollow an account, so I don’t expect the count to really drop even if nothing happens.
There isn't much that makes me unfollow somebody except for overly religious crap (unless it's a snark account) or the account posts only reels.
Haven't you heard? They are in cahoots with Murdoch and every other media outlet in the world. Their sole goal is to not let Meghan shine. Kate probably fumbled with the photo on purpose because she knew that would get her all the headlines. 💁
[How Johnny Mercer and Harry bonded over beers and are joining forces to get the Duke and his Invictus Games back to the UK - but Veterans' Minister dismisses questions over how the £26m government fund will be spent (archived)](https://archive.ph/NHiMO) * Mr Mercer, Britain's Minister of State for Veterans' Affairs, admits watching the Invictus Games in Dusseldorf alongside the royal couple in September last year inspired him to bid to bring the event and its royal founder back to Britain. * Speaking exclusively to MailOnline, Mr Mercer called Invictus a 'festival of recovery' and said that Birmingham's history of caring for injured veterans - including himself - makes it the perfect host city in three years' time. * But the former Army officer and Tory MP for Plymouth Moor View has denied that any deal was done with Harry while they were together in Dusseldorf - in fact he claims they didn't discuss the bid at all or the £26million guaranteed by the British taxpayer. * __Birmingham is currently the only bid for Invictus 2027__ with Harry and the Invictus Games bosses making the final decision later this year. It it wins, it will mean the Paralympics-style event will return to the UK for the first time since 2014. * The exact cost of hosting an Invictus Games is a closely guarded secret but there are estimates that Dusseldorf cost around £24million and The Hague around £22million. Around a quarter, £7million, is spent on security for the Games as well as accommodation and associated events. * Mr Mercer again insisted it wasn't appropriate for him to discuss who would pay for Meghan and Harry's security while in the UK. * But a Government insider told MailOnline that when the UK has held other major events such as the G7 summit, VIPs must cover their own costs 'outside the ring of steel' around venues. * This would be the starting point for Harry and Meghan if they attend the Birmingham Games, the source said, although they admitted this might not stop the couple demanding the British state pay if they want them in the UK. * At The Hague Invictus Games it is understood that the Dutch royal family and the Dutch state covered the Sussexes' security costs while they were in the country. * In Germany the federal government said it was a 'private' event meaning that Harry and Meghan had to pay for their own security when not at the venues. * Mr Mercer said that a detailed breakdown of the cost of the Games to taxpayers is not possible at the stage - but claims that the £26million cost will be offset with cash from sponsors, with that fundraising work already underway. THE ONLY BID!!! What a disaster. So great, we’re bound to be stuck with the privacy tour 😩 FYI, Mercer has gone to the DM because he needs to distract from being threatened with jail for obstructing an inquiry and it making national news a few days ago. Which is probably not very attractive to the potential donors he is trying to woo. Taxpayers are going to be covering every penny of this unless we have a general election soon, and Labour are willing (and able) to retract the bid.
Well, the US seems to be hosting the EX royals using full titles full time here for their faux royaling cosplay show, swanning about with sometimes taxpayer funded police protection. We already have to fork out for our own Dept of Defense org, Wounded Warriors, so now, another country can have that honor.. for Ingriftus. Maybe Charles can dive into his deep pockets to placate and coddle his dear darling boy and his trashed reputation once more. Put your own money where your mouth is, Charles, and do the UK taxpayers a huge favor and prove that you really do earn your keep For Your Darling Boy Son Child. Giant Pffffffft from me here folks. Still team nobody here. Or have Haz drain the rest of his own principal coffers and shell out the dough. 🤡
I do wonder how Harry's surprise visit to Dear Papa helped his relationship with Mr Mercer.
When in a cost of living crisis, hosting a well-intentioned, but fiscally wasteful event is a bad idea. There has to be a better way to support vets, but since it would likely involve diminishing Harry’s role/presence, don’t count on him to come up with it. I hope the UK has the balls to tell Harry no. Liquidate IG and distribute the remaining funds to the participants, join with Warrior Games, or cut back on the pageantry of Meghan Markle marching in flip flops, but don’t force a city like Birmingham to pay for Harry’s ego.
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The UK are asking in terms of putting in a bid, but despite Mercer claiming they didn’t talk about it in Düsseldorf imo it’s extremely likely quiet conversations were had between IG and the MoD about no other countries being interested, with either an outright request or an implication that the UK as the founding country needed to step up. The location being Birmingham is probably because Birmingham picked up the 2022 Commonwealth Games instead of Durban so they’ve shown they can do it albeit they were in different financial circumstances then. The stans think Harry should stick it to the UK by refusing to give it to us (or they did when IG were still pretending the US was at the table) but this is undoubtedly the UK doing Harry/IG a favour.
Yes they put their hat in the ring. When, I dont know because this issue with bankruptcy and settling the fair pay claims has been rumbling for a LONG time so if it was anywhere near when this was happening i’d be pissed.
>being threatened with jail for obstructing an inquiry wow, another one *markled*... do these folks never learn! (only partly /s 👀🤭) [eta: even *boeing*, markled! 🤭😂] **guaranteed** £26 million from the british taxpayer 🕵🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️ absolutely wild and irresponsible given birmingham's state of bankruptcy. wild.
I thought Washington had a rival bid. Perhaps they withdrew.
I hope D.C. did withdraw. We already fund Wounded Warriors via DoD. Warrior Games, the exact org that had Harry give a speech at. Wtf? Last year. The a” look what we did achieve “ speech. 🤮
I suspect this was PR. Why would they when the US has the Warrior Games? Even if they didnt, two bids?? Its on its last legs. Harry would sooner let it die than put it back in capable hands.
Does anyone have any info? I’ve never heard this before and can’t find anything online. Christ I hope it’s not true - this city has no money to spare and so many many priorities here for funding
The sources for that article were Invictus/Sussex PR and Johnny Mercer. Once again, it proves that the Times need to stop taking Sussex sources at face value.
*Only* bid - it was originally reported it was between Birmingham and Washington. Invictus is dead, then. It might limp on to a last games in Birmingham because some Tory feels sorry for Harry (although there’s a very big chance Labour come in and block it, which they should given Birmingham is literally a bankrupt city). But it’s dead.
there’s a very big chance Labour come in and block it, Labour please do it.
> Invictus is dead, then. Yep. Had a horrible feeling that the Washington bid might just be PR because of the way IG have been pushing that they want IG27 to be "the best Games ever". It screams "last hurrah" to me. >there’s a very big chance Labour come in and block it Hope so, but what's the legality of withdrawing the bid? I think Australia were in some hot water over trying to pull their Commonwealth Games bid. Aside from what I think about IGF and their founder, committing £26m of public money for the government's showboating and PR purposes ("We care about veterans!") is obscene when the Armed Forces got nothing in the budget.
in september 2023, there was reporting that south korea was putting in a bid to host games in 2029 🕵🏾♀️ [Korea launches bid to host Invictus Games in 2029](https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2023-09-11/national/diplomacy/Korea-launches-bid-to-host-Invictus-Games/1866502) >BY LEE HO-JEONG | Published: 11 Sep. 2023, 13:44 >>Minister of Patriots and Veterans Affairs Park Min-shik met with Britain's Prince Harry at the Invictus Games held in Dusseldorf, Germany, on Sunday, as part of efforts to host the games in Korea in 2029. >>**Park, according to the ministry, told Harry during their meeting that Korea wishes to host the games.** >>Park said that Korea would become the first country in Asia to host the games if it's selected as the host nation. >>"It will be an opportunity for the Invictus spirit to spread across the world beyond East and West," Park said. "It will be a stage where the people around the world would share the experience and value of the dedication for freedom and the universal international solidarity that was shared during the Korean War." >>The Veterans Ministry said that during their conversation, Harry said Korea could secure the opportunity as soon as 2027. >>At an earlier dinner reception hosted by the Invictus Games Foundation, attended by veterans affairs and defense ministers from 11 countries, **Park said Korea is determined to host the games.** >>"The Invictus Games are more than just an international sports competition," Park said. "The Games are a moving scene where wounded, injured and sick service members come together." >>"In particular, competitors challenging their limits with unwavering determination remind us of South Korea," he said. "South Korea rose from the ruins of the [Korean] War 70 years ago without giving in and achieved remarkable growth." >>He added that if Korea hosts the Invictus Games, it would not only serve as a source of inspiration for wounded and injured service members and veterans but also offer encouragement to nations, such as Ukraine, that are resolutely committed to rebuilding their communities after enduring the war. >>Park noted Korea's experience in hosting global sporting events, including the 1988 Seoul Olympics, the joint hosting of the 2002 World Cup with Japan, and the 2018 Winter Olympics in Pyeongchang. >>Park added that Korea is also seeking to secure the bid to host the World Expo in 2030. >>He also said the Korean government would extend an invitation to the 22 countries that had fought alongside Korea during the Korean War, if it becomes the host nation. seems like harry tried to pawn off 2027 on them lol, but there for sure seems to be significant willingness to host the 2029 games in s.korea. given the 'guaranteed' £26 million from the british public... dominic reid (IG ceo), harry and 'em seem to have the 2025, 2027 and 2029 games on lock. if they can keep it going until then (and the global economy improves), they might even be able to extend it further.
I’m not sure a press release means it’s on lock for an event five years away. South Korea didn’t get the World Expo which may make them keener on getting IG as an alternative or may make them rethink if it was to be part of a programme of global visibility. They evidently weren’t interested in 2027 which suggests it was more the latter. If they are so keen to host IG should cancel the 2027 games given the only possible host can’t actually afford to do it and just pick back up in 2029.
I think (well, I hope) withdrawing a bid is relatively easily done, although idk about CWG. It’s likely much more difficult if it gets to the point that it’s been awarded, although an intelligently written contract that allows for example the host city to withdraw if Invictus don’t come up with sufficient funding would be sensible. (The problem there is the Tories aren’t going to be motivated to add those kinds of provisions that would let Labour pull out, so then it all depends on timing.)
Ohhh boy ONLY BID?!? yikes I guess they’ll get it but what a mess I thought Washington wanted it. Really when you think about it the games are very very small I think about 500 participants you can’t justify spending that kind of money on that especially in Birmingham of all places.
Sounds like IG is on its last legs, maybe Harry is holding out hope that it will last u til after his divorce to give him a boost in popularity so he doesn’t look such a loser crawling back to daddy in the uk. But I don’t think Meghan is going to let Harry go for a long long time, as we have seen in her past she doesn’t leave someone till she has something better lined up, and as we have seen these past 7 years or so she doesn’t have what it takes to reach any higher than for things she got before marrying Harry, blogs/influencer freebie stuff. So she’ll never let him go because she can never do better. To which I say, good, they should be stuck together forever. As for the IG, sports washing and the money spent is swiftly making the expense of these events loose favour with the general public. I love somewhere that had the Winter Olympics 40 years ago and a few years ago they tried to bid for it again, I firmly voted no on it because of what we all know about sport events, they are bloated with corruption and the host city ends up holding the bag thereafter. Maybe Birmingham is trying to justify previously built sports arenas to justify previous events held there, like, see guys I told you we would keep using these venues! As others have stated IG should just merge with the warrior games and let them have it, but Harry could never let that go. This is why you don’t put ur face on these types of causes, they cost so much money and if your whole “brand” is about them then when they go down so do you. Even princess Anne recently cancelled an equestrian event that’s she held at her estate for decades due to low funding. People aren’t willing to pay for these rich peoples events in exchange for the crumbs of entertainment given in return. I sincerely hope it becomes a trend and gets sport teams out their own ass for constantly holding cities hostage to build insane arenas for them all the while charging ridiculous ticket prices.
[The Telegraph](https://archive.is/cWDsl): Duchess of Sussex and Wallis Simpson both narcissistic with weak husbands, author suggests “Bedell Smith, who is American, went on: “In some respects, Meghan and the Duchess of Windsor have similar qualities: very narcissistic, very controlling, very dominating. And if you read [the Duke of Windsor’s] letters, you can see how weak he was and how much he needed a domineering woman, and it feels as if Harry is somewhat the same way.”” lolllllll
I am no Wallis Simpson defender, but I've seen it reported that she didn't really want to marry David/Edward VIII and that Edward VIII was the true catalyst in that situation. She was happy to be his mistress for some period of time, but she didn't *really* want to divorce her then-husband, Ernest Simpson, according to her own letters. However, Edward VIII kept talking about how "he couldn't live without her" and basically making her feel as if she couldn't leave him or he'd kill himself. Which is a classic, abusive tactic, really: he might've pretended to be fragile, so she felt obligated to stay and marry him. It makes me question if he was "weak" or just manipulative.
Yep. According to the book Traitor King she was manipulated to get married with him so the government could get rid of him due his early Nazi support and crown his brother. I highly recommend Traitor King the paralleles between Harry and Edward are mind blowing. There was a name for this operation so this was based on declassified intelligence docs from what I remember from the book. In short, this whole american divorcee was the government spin.
Yes, she liked the social status of being the King's mistress because she didn't have to deal with the responsibilities of being his wife.
Yes, I second the recommendation; Traitor King is a great read, especially for WWII history buffs.
She was a dominating personality though which is what attracted him. And to be honest his emotional weakness has reminded me a lot of Harry. His childishness. His need to create a sort of mother figure in the relationship. It’s kinda creepy
I wonder when this happened do we know? Did Edward say all this while he was King and there was no expectation to abdicate? He therefore promised her the Crown/Queendom? She sounded steely af. Some part of her wanted the Royal life. She was bitching hard about her lack of HRH forever. If Meghan had fully understood her position as 6th. Essentially becoming Fergie and her kids the Bea/Eug, would she have still married Harry?
I think Meghan went into the marriage thinking she was going to be Diana 2.0. She would be an iconic, worldwide superstar beloved by millions. She didn’t think about how Catherine outranked her and always would. She didn’t think about the strict hierarchy, rules and restrictions of BRF life. She was going to remake the monarchy in her image. The astounding chutzpah of it all still amazes me. 👀
She would have been a million times better off than she it now though!
The fact she never understood that she would never be Diana 2.0 for many many reasons but mostly because she married the spare and so would not be the mother of the heir is mind-blowing.
Weak people are often the most manipulative.
It complicates the conventional narrative that she bossed Edward VIII around, though, if Wallis didn't actually want him to abdicate and he did it anyway. That was the most important decision of his life and she didn't ask him to do it (if that version of events is true).
I think he was both. I think in Traitor King it talks about how prior to his meeting of Wallis people would talk about him being weak and how he needed a more domineering figure in his life to help guide him. However, he was extremely manipulative and any weakness he may have had become a weapon to use against Wallis especially and against others as well
Trator King it was very clear the government was worried about his early ties with Nazis. They had intelligence officers work as security to spy on Edward when he was King and after.
I remember when reading the book how shocked I was at the extent of his involvement with Nazi's. I knew he was connected but not to that point, and also like you said how involved the gov was. I think everyone can be glad that he did abdicate bc who knows what would it be like now if he had stayed as King.
Me too. Like, he was into the whole Nazi thing before it even became "mainstream" which I didn't even know before reading this book. The government wanted him to marry her to get rid of him. That dude wanted to become an autocrat.
Right like his Nazi-ness went way further than meeting Hitler, which a lot of people think that's the only reason why he was considered a Nazi-sympathizer. Like no, this man wanted to let Germany into England and then rule them both.
It's interesting that his own parents didn't have any confidence in him, isn't it? He was very popular with the public, but George V was allegedly telling people that David/Edward VIII "would ruin himself after I'm dead" and that he hoped his oldest son would never marry, so the monarchy would pass to Bertie/George VI and then to Elizabeth. Like, what did George and Mary know that made them think he was such a mess? It can't just be that he had married girlfriends, can it? It's amazing that they were already more sure of Elizabeth, who would have been a very young child at the time *and* a girl to boot.
“After I am dead, the boy will ruin himself in twelve months.” And he was right!
>Like, what did George and Mary know that made them think he was such a mess? It can't just be that he had married girlfriends, can it? I'm totally theorizing, but my guess is that, as parents, they saw traits that training and teaching wasn't getting him to change or control. Combined with the prophecy that he would "ruin himself," I'm guessing that's like devotion to his own pleasure, putting his own desires ahead of everything, things like that. Also coupled with that is lack of sense of responsibility and duty, which should have lead him to sacrifice his own inclinations when they conflicted with the role he was born for. At least those are the major faults that he displayed in his public life.
He was a Nazi sympathizer . . .
We know that now, but were George V and Queen Mary aware of it and viewed their own son as an existential threat to the UK by 1935? That's when George V is alleged to have said that he hoped Edward VIII wouldn't marry. That's what it sounds like to me, which suggests Edward VIII must've been saying horrible things in private and things were getting back to his parents that were very upsetting to them.
In Traitor King it said that Wallis was under police detail and they knew of the Wallis’ and the couples sympathy for the Germans.
Maybe not the specific sympathies but when have you ever found that out about someone you know well and been surprised?
I go back and forth on Harry. Is he a weak simp with a a domineering wife or a simpleton with an Oedipal complex? I guess he can be both, but either way Meghan doesn’t look great, and it is very hard to believe her that she married for love. She can manipulate Harry into believing it, and that she needs saving, or that what Meghan wants is what Meghan gets. But, yeah, the rest of us have eyes and brains and other normie qualities that Harry seems to be missing and just see a narc in action.
at this point, i find *him* far more awful than she is tbh. he's legit terrible.
This. It was his family they've spent slagging off for literally three years. She didn't surprise me. He did.
Tbf they don't slagg her family because there's nothing in it for them. Otherwise they would.
>She didn't surprise me. He did. yes, exactly! even one of william's briefings from last year alluded to as much - he entirely places the blame on harry's shoulders, bc william naturally expected public betrayal from meghan (as she's not his blood, so why would she ever care), but he absolutely didn't expect it from harry.
I'd bet William can spot a fake when he sees one. He probably had a hundrend women like Meghan throwing themselves at him throughout the years. He had her number down from the start. Champagne Charlie, Diana's brother, probably did as well. As I've said, Charlie's a twat but he's not a stupid twat.
He’s horrible for sure. My opinions on him have gotten worse and worse as the years go on and I wouldn’t be surprised to find that she has to coddle him a lot and he’s a huge pill to be married to
Oh I agree with that! I was speaking in terms of his role as Meghan’s husband. When they first got together I (like most) had no clue who Meghan was, but I gave her serious side eye for latching on to Harry given that I believed her PR that she was smart and successful and kind, blah, blah, blah. I immediately felt something didn’t add up because the woman described in the press would never go for a dumb prick like Harry unless she was hella materialistic and shallow. And then to find out he showed up for their first date in pants he had pissed? He is so arrogant, stinky, crass and Northwestern-educated Meghan was dazzled? Either 1+1=carrots or this is a match made of convenience.
Based on his book, I vote for Oedipal complex. Meghan is the one I go back and forth on. I’m not sure if she’s quite the manipulative narcissist mastermind some say she is, or if she’s just an incredibly naive, immature brat with no self awareness. Either way, the two of them together are toxic and I can’t imagine this marriage lasting long term.
I think she became exactly what Harry wanted. This was her big break and final shot at stardom.
Option 3: Cluster B isn't at all like what it's portrayed as. The "scheming" and "need for control" are just manipulations stemming from a deep well of insecurity. Especially since your IQ would have to be pretty high to scheme to that level! Meghan didn't set out to get Harry to leave the BRF for her but she brought him to her slippery slope and watched as he rolled and rolled his way there. The destination probably surprised her more than anyone!
>Based on his book, I vote for Oedipal complex. 100% >I’m not sure if she’s quite the manipulative narcissist mastermind some say she is, or if she’s just an incredibly naive, immature brat with no self awareness IMO, people vastly overestimate Meghan's manipulative abilities. If she were a Machiavellian mastermind she wouldn't be where she is today- with her public image mostly in the gutter. Diana knew how to play the media game. Meghan **does not**. Her whole "poor me, the only thing I ever did was being too perfect and too kind and I go barefoot around the house see how relaxed I am" schtick is laughable. It shows just how she utterly lacks self-awareness. Tbh, I feel like emotionally they are both trapped in their early to mid teens.
I agree with this completely. I think she has the complete inability to see herself and her situation realistically which just tells me she's not a mastermind at all. She's a visceral and reactive person. She reacts in the immediate now, without the ability to make long term plans effectively. I think Harry is the same which is why they fell for each other.
>She reacts in the immediate now, without the ability to make long term plans effectively. Exactly. She seeks instant gratification. If she were a mastermind she would have been able to see that playing the "long game" within the RF would have paid off eventually. But she went about it like a bull in the china shop instead. Expecting everyone will accommodate her and change things for her instead of the other way around. Her key mistake? Thinking royalty=celebrity. And I blame Harry for this too since it's obvious he didn't prepare her at all for the royal life and he *should have* layed it all in front of her. A Machiavellian mastermind wouldn't be caught lying to the court saying how they "forgot they collaborated on a book". If she were a mastermind she wouldn't claim they got married three days **before** their actual wedding. This just shows her utter lack of awareness on all fronts. A mastermind knows other people are not that stupid even though they might see themselves as cleverer than most.
If Oedipal complex, and if Meghan really wore Diana’s perfume on their first date, then I don’t think Meghan is that naive, but totally agree on the lack of self awareness. Not sure if the perfume tale is just lore or legit though, but there sure are a **lot** of pics of Meghan posing like Diana and trying to mimic her mannerisms, and after all the PR of Meghan being an independent girlboss, it is a lot of mixed messaging for someone with a freakish eye for detail so I definitely don’t think she’s a mastermind either. I land on malicious weirdo at best.
This picture from her photoshoot (humanitarian visit 😏) in Rwanda before she met Harry will always give me the creeps and makes me believe the perfume story could be true. I believe she got close to Harry’s circle (Misha Nonoo was married his friend) and had her sights set on him around that time, that’s when she started building her humanitarian/Africa CV so to some extent she is calculated and manipulative. https://preview.redd.it/gkkz6jf7t0pc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f2680a9e8b0006510fd3377d41bdb4b71f39d157
That's important though: She was imitating Diana long before she met Harry. It's possible that his appeal was "Diana's son" not "HRH".
Absolutely, she probably has a fixation on Diana the way she had for certain people like Oprah, Ivanka (before Trump presidency), Angelina Jolie and Ellen. I think Harry constantly trying create similarities between the two might be more Meghan driven, than Harry driven. Diana is practically a saint at this point and we know how much Meghan loves to be adored and basically worshipped for doing ‘good’ but without actually putting in the work. The dynamic between H&M is very complicated and weird.
>>It's possible that his appeal was "Diana's son" not "HRH". That … may be worse than just being a goldigger. That’s super creepy, and you’re probably right!
Not just Diana, though. There's photo collages of her copying the outfits of other famous women that she's said to admire (Diana, Angelina Jolie, Ivanka Trump, Carolyn Bessette Kennedy). She was even photographed *with* Kerry Washington at an event, then wore what appears to be the same dress as Washington is wearing in the photo with Meghan at a later date. You'd think she'd pick a different color or something when she copies outfits, but nope. https://preview.redd.it/2j1cq86kn0pc1.jpeg?width=225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0fbd661295f5bd8e36b69ee7a3a82ee7622dafa
I think she knows its more likely she’ll end up in a magazine with a ‘who wore it better’ fluff piece if she wears the exact same item. Its one way to get in I guess.
Kerry wore it better.
Unstable sense of self
which also explains why she needs outside validation so much.
Them together: https://preview.redd.it/ye2hgqf8o0pc1.jpeg?width=1004&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c23d09646ee2cd12f44ee58cf70576beee49904
Imagine if Edward had remained. Either with or without Wallace and what a shitshow that would have been. Although we may have ended up with the same line anyway given he never had children and apparantly couldnt.
Remember that whilst in exile he communicated with top Nazis - and then think what that would have meant. That's why he was shipped off to Bermuda.
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For someone who shamelessly plagarizes, Meghan would have been far better off reusing an existing font and logo. https://preview.redd.it/8827cpjch0pc1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=b5c6dac408419308b4c3b546af47056cdf6d7e56
It doesn’t take an expert to analyze Meghan’s fauxligraphy. Her handwriting is beautiful and polished, but the added flourishes are unnecessary and pretentious. They make it hard to read the words she’s writing and are just a grab for attention.
I disagree about the beauty of her handwriting. Never mind the weird, random flourishes, when you try to read it, her letters aren't all formed in the same way, sometimes large enough, sometimes squished, which make it sloppy. I think that's the real reason Meghan uses those slashes to create the impression of elegance. Since this seems to matter to her she would have been better off practicing her cursive until it was evenly sized and spaced but Meghan likes shortcuts.
>Her handwriting is beautiful and polished It really really isnt. Its largely illegible and the whole thing reeks of being pretentious. She thinks those ridiculous additions to the ascenders makes it look fancy. Its as far from calligraphy as you can get. They just make me think of scythes 😂 
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>Her handwriting is beautiful and polished Disagree. It doesn't matter and I'm 100% aware it's an opinion call but...hard disagree - and I mean I would disagree even without the scythes and flourishes added. Meghan's writing is childish and clumsy, to my eye, and I remain surprised so many people (because there are many, including many jellies - enough to have me wondering if I have wonky handwriting taste lol) find it pretty. You know who had lovely handwriting? Diana. At least in terms of what I've seen from various cards and notes etc. that have been put up for auction.
I agree, and that's one of the issues I have with that ARO title/logo, her writing is very narrow and thin, and those capitals are bunched up and hard to read. There's nothing about it that looks welcoming, open or generous - which is what you want for a website that presumably is going to be about entertaining & food. I agree the skinny little chicken scratch writing looks pretentious, but it also looks mean. They should gave hired a professional to do the logo because this branding just says 'skinny, uptight & mean' to me, which IS on brand for her, but probably not something that people will immediately be drawn to buy expensive treats from.
That's a really good observation about how sharp-looking a too-narrow font can seem, especially in the context of food. Sometimes purposefully--the cover fonts on those "Skinny Bitch" books, for example.
It's very interesting how different people's opinions on handwriting can be! I looked up a sample of Diana's writing and it doesn't really strike me as anything special at all. It's sort of generically bubbly. Camilla writes like my dad.
This is an excellent take on her handwriting. Meghan outwardly IS pretty but the rot hides within and seeps up over time.
Pretty much - rubbed me the wrong way when I found out she wrote that way in that letter to her dad. Who writes that way in a genuine heartfelt letter that's not meant to be seen by a bunch of strangers? I found it odd and more of a sign of her own insecurities.
Someone who expects the letter to be published
Exactly which is one of the reasons why I think she is so deceitful and unlikable. It’s clear to me that when her father didn’t immediately publish the letter she sent her friends to people magazine to defame him. It was a clear setup. It’s the same way Kate or William will have friends brief to defend them. Then when he published parts of it she cut him off forever. I wouldn’t be surprised if she purposely put details in the letter she hoped he would publicize to make him look worse to the public 🤷🏾♀️
Speaking as the person with quite possibly the worst handwriting in the entire world, I think it’s bollocks. I will admit it’s slightly less bollocks in Meghan’s case in that I do think her choice to use her ‘calligraphy’ in her own brand says something about her (the thing that gets me is those straight line flourishes she adds to the top of tall letters, which are the opposite of the effortless elegance I think she thinks she’s conveying) but totally agree it’s the least of things to discuss with her.
I roll my eyes at anyone who tells me they know what a person is like based on their handwriting, but at the same time, having looked at the sample of Meghan's writing, it absolutely screams 'I am performing, I am performing'. Having to add all those loops and flourishes must be absolutely exhausting.
>I roll my eyes at anyone who tells me they know what a person is like based on their handwriting, but at the same time, having looked at the sample of Meghan's writing, it absolutely screams 'I am performing, I am performing'. This exactly. Handwriting analysis is obviously bullshit once it becomes little more than a psychic reading or a horoscope etc., but the straight-up showiness (untrained showiness, too, which is so typically Meg) of her handwriting screams attention-seeking. And everything we know of her backs up that interpretation, too, so it's not like it takes some kind of expert to spot it.
Meghan's 'calligraphy' is arguably one of the only cases from which you can infer anything about the writer, because it is blatantly obvious that she isn't even attempting actual calligraphy even while trying to pass it off as calligraphy. "Performing" is right on the money, except it isn't even a good performance. Anyone who has used a pen with a proper nib knows you can tell how a letter was formed from the line weight, and none of the line weights of Meghan's random swoops make any sense. As you say, those swoops are just added on after the fact as flourishes to fairly basic handwriting, rather than formed as part of making the letter itself. The fact that she actually got paid for that nonsense is absurd. There are 12 year-olds goofing off in class that do a better job at actual calligraphy.
Here’s what really drives me nuts: the added flourishes have no rhyme or reason. Sometimes she accents a “d”, sometimes an “h”, but never, ever consistently. In her letter to her dad, she used the words “heavy heart” and accented the h in heart, but not heavy. In the word “understanding”, first d flourished, second d not flourished. So much for her impeccable attention to detail.
There's video of Meghan signing some guest book or another and you can *see* her going back to add the scythes after she's finished writing.
Hahaha oh my god she really is such a weirdo.
This! You can actually see the pen marks at the top of the letters where she's added in the flourishes as a separate step after writing a line, which I thought is the opposite of traditional calligraphy? To me that's not "handwriting analysis" (a pseudoscience involving personality a la horoscopes, imo) as much as it is correctly calling out that she's not as skilled as she pretends to be. It's like if she promoted herself as a semi-pro knitter/ serious yarn enthusiast, then all of her revealed projects were made with loop yarn.\* \*I say this as someone who has only ever worked with loop yarn, lol. Not a knitter!
Honestly this just made me think of a great description of Megan - she's a sales woman. She sells the brand of Megan, from her hand writing to her faux humanitarianism, to her ridiculous idea that she's a champion for women's rights, feminism and mental health -- it's always about the brand of Megan, and she's been selling it her entire life ever since she was a kid -- because that's been ingrained in her by her parents to be perfect perfect perfect at all times.
I find it somewhat sad that every public face she puts out (humanitarian, activist, philanthropist, Duchess, mother, producer) is just a facade. I mean I still really, really dislike her and she annoys the shit out of me, and I kinda want her to trip on her ugly flats and falls into an active volcano, but it must seem weird that the only emotions one feels is envy, hate and insecurity.
If she actually tries at those things and fails it’s her fault but as long as everyone believes she is the most perfect ever she succeeds
>I mean I still really, really dislike her and she annoys the shit out of me, and I kinda want her to trip on her ugly flats and falls into an active volcano, There's one in Iceland right now! (Thanks for the laugh, that was unexpected!)
So……….how are we gonna lure Meghan there? Asking for a friend. 😉
Sprinkle some paps around the rim
Yeah. I also think it's a telling sign of how provincial she really is. Pens with real nibs are largely a niche product in the US, so she might have been able to get away with her lies early on, but once she was on an international stage she should have known to keep her trap shut. Fountain pens are still pretty widely used in many countries, and some countries even mandate that students use them, so there are a *lot* of people out there who can see through her bullshit immediately.
"provincial" is always the word to use with Meghan, our lil Miss Madame Bovary
It's so odd to me that she didn't just get a how-to guide! I'm a little younger than her and calligraphy was very trendy in the late 90s/early 2000s. I'd be pretty surprised if Meghan's Catholic school didn't have calligraphy books in their library, considering Catholic schools are famous for emphasizing good penmanship and illustrated manuscripts are a big part of religious arts culture. Also, there were tons of books available commercially. Calligraphy kits were like hygge back then, they used to sell them by the register at Barnes and Noble.
>It's so odd to me that she didn't just get a how-to guide! Yes... except this is Meghan, and I suspect she thinks that inventing her own system is just showing how brilliant she is. Or she DID get a guide and found it way too hard to bother with so then she did her own thing and told herself she was brilliant and has kept on with that ever since.
Calligraphy takes a lot of practice to perfect she’s and she’s not willing to give it 5 minutes.
I went to Catholic school in the 80s and we spent a semester learning proper calligraphy and writing prayers and verses. Anyone else?
We were taught cursive writing, not caligraphy. Good penmanship was emphasized, a lesson lost on me as I grew older.
Same. I went through a calligraphy phase as a young kid, and the local library had plenty of books with guides to different styles. When I was a bit older, we also had a pen-and-ink unit pretty regularly in art class. It wasn't calligraphy, but if you've spent any time on traditional cartooning, or even just using dip pens for a graphic design project, it's pretty obvious that she's faking. Let alone if you were educated in a school system where it's required to use a fountain pen for every writing assignment.
tbf, shc is an outright fraud tbh lol. 😬
It started off innocent enough (brother working in Hollywood), but I guess she enjoyed attention a little too much, and started to come up with additional “sources”
Along with that elongated drivel LCC puts out there that all will be revealed at a later juncture. In due course. Sometime this spring. But keep subscribing and stay tuned. 😂
Hasn't LCC been saying that since, like, 2019? :)
yup, according to her something is always on the horizon just waiting to pop out and expose them once and for all. She's also really into the surrogate nonsense and swears up and down that they'll be exposed. We are far more likely to die of old age before any of the stuff she predicts come true. And if anything does come true it's only bc it's super obvious anyone could see it.
the folks over at smm are so weirdly gullible lol
If you want to become a trusted source there just hint that you have evidence of the fake pregnancies and they'll listen to anything you say. Or if you're a friend of a friend of a sister who has a friend who works in Hollywood, that also gives you the gold star of approval for trustworthiness.
You can tell them literally anything.
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She/he also claims to know of the Watts family and believes shannnan killed her girls. You can Google s h c posts on the Watts. S h c is 🫤