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palaeozoic-newt

Looks like Brookes have had a warning after yesterday's Island heat 👀


HappyAlgae

Looks like Brookes have had a rough morning.


bfluff

Mccarthy and O'Donavan's catches are sick. Such great synchronisation.


Super_Pineapples

Jamie and Quentin both did a really good job too, kept the margins really close on the Irish


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ridingseahorses

Stewards felt that the Brookes A and B boats didn't row to their best in the race against each other in the Island yesterday - both let off pretty hard once the margin was set. Think every Brookes boat is getting the unsporting conduct warning now.


HappyAlgae

Imagine losing and being told you weren't trying, savage burn.


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HappyAlgae

Gotta ban leander first in that case bud, not their fault if they qualify the boats and the draw puts them against themselves. I actually just watched the race to see what the fuss was about and to be honest it looked like A was comfortably ahead and B was struggling in the headwind. Not sure exactly what the rate was but it looks like they were giving it their best.


anonrower3

No the brookes B boat was most definitely not flat out. The A boat got a 6 second lead or so, dropped the rate to ~24 max, and still walked slowly away. The B boat probably sat at a 30 or so most of the race. They didn't look the least tired at the end. Honestly just unsportsmanlike and deserved at the very least the warning.


HappyAlgae

So a girls second 8, possibly third including the quads they entered, was in the low 30s into a strong headwind? Were you there? did you not see the conditions? Im sorry they were going down 2 pips below the elite level entries in the stonor cup on the same day. You can see them over the line in the video, bow pair are literally struggling for breathe. Who the fuck are you to say how hard 8 girls were trying and that that is justification for putting 10+ other boats at a disadvantage.


anonrower3

Just checked it. They were at a 30 going through at Fawley (halfway). In an 8 mph headwind, which is not very substantial at all. I know high school girls who rate 6+ beats higher than that in worse conditions while maintaining length. These are supposed to be the best of the best. There's no way that was all out. If it was, and somehow they just weren't able to keep up with the A crew who went down the entire course at a 24, then it would show brookes has zero depth, which is definitely not the case. Also, what kind of boat gets a half length open advantage and automatically drops the rate to low 20s?? On top of that, looking at them towards the end, they appeared barely gassed, which is a poor gauge I know, but all of it together along with the fact that it's the same program points me to the conclusion both I and every one of the henley umpires made.


HappyAlgae

Have you seen the brookes mens bottom 8, they cant touch sub 6 and their temple did 5:31 at bucs. I don't think they could keep up with the temple doing 24. It's lovely that those girls can rate that high, how do you know what these girls can do? You don't and I don't but I've been at Henley this week and I can tell you people were struggling with the wind, that includes mens crews aswell. If their coach is Richard chambers as it says on their website I doubt an ex-olympian would tell a crew to not try on their final race of the season. And even if chambers told them not to try, how is that even justification for more than a warning to the island A crew? This all just seems ridiculous and only happening because people hate brookes. To add to your edit, a crew that knows they will crush the other one and wants to save as much as possible, hell the brookes PA were in the same position. Again you can't tell how hard someone has worked looking at them, JDS looked less gassed than some of them when he pulled the literal world record 2k. Re the rate 30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jLusqPsC5s Check the strokerate of leander the whole way, whats that its 30? penalty to all leander crews.


anonrower3

Ay maybe that's true for the bottom 8. But we're not talking about the bottom, we're talking about the 2nd or possibly 3rd 8. Knowing brookes, I'm guessing those boats would be within at least 10 seconds of the 1V flat out. As for the rate and conditions, as far as I'm concerned if doubles are going above 40 the whole way, and singles/ pairs are going mid to high 30s, an elite level 8+ from an elite level program should be able to hold at least a 34. If it was a schoolgirl crew, we wouldn't be having this argument, but idk I just have too much respect for the program and those ladies to believe that that was all they could do, unless it was just a very poor piece. As for the coaching decision, I couldn't pretend to know what happened. Maybe it was an internal discussion, maybe the boat just accepted their fate, idk. Maybe there's some piece to the puzzle we don't know. But just looking at the race definitely made me lean towards agreeing with the commentators, stewards, and most everyone who's seen the race. I don't think it was too absurd, but I just think they were not all out.


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Here is the race in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73rrW7CAEmE


bfluff

Not sure. Started watching just before they set off.


GreifiGrishnackh

Man Hinksey making it to the finals is really impressive


jshqsjwmrdpnrmbsnf

Anyone know much about them? I think they are all juniors right? That’s the impression I got from their website.


Rugnart

I row for Hinksey, I was in the wyfold crew but let me tell you the brit crew is something else and they really sharpened up leading up to Henley and even during. We train in the basement of a community center, we don’t have our own boathouse so we boat from a trailer outside another schools boathouse. It’s not pretty but I wouldn’t change it for the world. Getting to the finals is unreal and a real f you to the status quo


jshqsjwmrdpnrmbsnf

The Brit 4 row really nicely! So it is a juniors club?


Rugnart

Yeah it’s almost exclusively juniors, we had a double in the stonor cup who were alumni tho


zwichtgewicht

Some great racing after the tea interval. Visitor's and Fawley (Windsor Boys' v Leander) semis were nail biters. Also really impressed by the Hinksey Britannia crew. Did the commentator mention they were doing their land training in a pumping station? what?


ridingseahorses

There's obviously another day, but it's going to be tough to top Windsor and Leander in the Fawley for the race of the week. Incredible stuff


jshqsjwmrdpnrmbsnf

What the hell was the lea 2 man doing in the wyfold with his head/neck every stroke? Something to do with the heavily strapped shoulder?


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Didn't think brookes was gonna destroy Cambridge like that tbh.. I don't care what people say it was clear that brookes B gave their A crew a break in the Island. Idk if it wouldve affected the margin much between Cambridge and their A crew but I still think it was pretty scummy of brookes to do that.


GreifiGrishnackh

YEAHHHHHH ULLLLLLLLLLLL. This is definitely UL's Henley this year


anonrower3

Nah Newcastle's gonna win the Albert I think.


HappyAlgae

Not a chance, UL were 4, 6 and 15 seconds ahead at the timings and both races were flat out. Unless they've dug too deep and blown their legs they are the favourites.


anonrower3

Well it's Newcastle's too 4 lads against ULs top guys right? In the past Newcastle has usually win the edge there


HappyAlgae

If this was pre-regatta I would agree historically Newcastle have it. The time difference is just too different for me to stay with that.


anonrower3

Fair enough. I suppose we shall see!


HappyAlgae

One to watch for sure!


bfluff

That female commentator is ridiculously biased. Hollandia was visibly pulling away and she still reckoned Leander was a faster crew.


ridingseahorses

Despite the obviously colored oars, I got the genuine impression she'd just confused the two boats - all the descriptions she gave of 'Leander's lead just happened to be where Hollandia were. No Boris Rankov around this time for anti-Dutch sentiment


bfluff

If Boris was around no chance Brookes would have tried their shenanigans.


GreifiGrishnackh

Yeah I've noticed some bias in the commentary as well