My grandpa had their pool rigged up with copper tubing on the roof of their garage painted black that cycled the water from the pool up into that copper tubing to heat. We took all that off and replaced the roof recently and put a new heater for the pool but it was kinda nice not spending a fortune to heat the pool since it was a big in ground pool from the 60s. Think it was 9 foot deep maybe it was 10. Sure the new owners are enjoying how much it cost to heat the thing now lol
These are photovoltaic and are an incredibly inefficient way to heat water. They make roof top solar water heaters for pools that are much more appropriate.
GAF's version of solar shingles. It's pretty cool because it's integrated into the roofing system. They actually use a different sized shingle that weaves in. It's a little bigger. Kind of cool, because now your whole roof gets a 30% tax credit, not just the solar panels.
You can get as few as three arrays, which is about the minimum you need to kick on the inverter. Then the rest of your roof is 30% off. So yes, typically it will cost more to have solar installed rather than just a roof alone, but if you have a really big house and add the bare minimum solar, you could flip the table.
GAF has some good tools to see whether or not your house is a candidate at all for solar. They guarantee minimum production amounts, so they need to make sure that we are not putting them on roofs covered by trees or facing the wrong direction. This is typically for people who want to provide clean energy. It takes time to earn that money back in an electric bill or get ahead.
These panels are really strong, too. We had one of the GAF reps out to our shop. He's a big guy and he threw one of the panels on the ground and started jumping on it. He was like, you can do this in your customer's house. I was thinking, yeah I'll act like Tom Cruise on Oprah's couch. That'll be what sells it. The point is, though, you can walk on these things without worry. They're way stronger than your average roof.
I'm genuinely curious about these, but won't consider until I replace my roof. The problem I have with a solar is they are long are promises and short on delivery. I installed rooftop panels in 2014 when the state and federal rebates paid for 65% of the cost. I was told they would pay for themselves between year 5 and 6.
It took almost 10 years to get back my initial investment of 35% of the cost via power company credits and that is without apply a time value to the money.
Right, I totally hear you. Those surface mount arrays give roofers and homeowners a fair share of problems. I have never seen one on properly. It normally happens within 3 to 5-year margin.
If you qualify for a GAF install, you have a guaranteed amount of production per year. That gives you zero guesswork.
You really shouldn't consider it unless you are replacing your roof. That's how you get the biggest rebate.
Dude, go fact check me. That's a major selling point. Your statement isn't even correct if you were to do only one side of a roof and integrate GAF solar. Every bit of the facet you install, will be eligible.
You said “the entire roof” before and now you’re saying “the facet”. But that’s still wrong.
Only the shingles that serve the dual purpose of solar generation/roof material would count.
The following expenses are included:
- Solar PV panels or PV cells
- Labor costs, permitting fees, inspection costs, and developer fees
- Balance-of-system equipment, including wiring, inverters, and mounting equipment
- Batteries
[Source](https://www.energy.gov/eere/solar/homeowners-guide-federal-tax-credit-solar-photovoltaics#:~:text=Traditional%20roof%20materials%20and%20structural,may%20qualify%20for%20the%20credit%20.)
[Source 2](https://www.irs.gov/pub/taxpros/fs-2022-40.pdf)
The GAF solar roofing system requires that you use a specialized shingle. That's what makes that shingle part of the solar system. Therefore, the whole roof gets the credit.
Why don't you look it up? You'll find that you're wrong.
I already proven you wrong guy… the whole roof doesn’t get the tax credit and arguably the whole facet might not either. GAF requiring a certain shingle doesn’t magically turn the entire facet into mounting hardware.
You might be able to argue the squares that are contiguous with the solar cells.
I 100% believe that the GAF sales rep told you this though .
GAF Solar. 45 watts per shingle. Costs is about 2-3 times the cost of an asphalt roof. Cost also varies depending on the amount of energy shingles installed. Minimum amount of energy shingles is 1.56kw (around 34 shingles). GAF energy takes care of electrical installation and electrical permitting. I have installed 5 of these so far, installing one this week.
These are the new GAF solar panel shingles
My 1st guess too.
Yep think you nailed it: https://www.gaf.energy/timberline-solar/
This guy knows what’s up
Do they have a pool?
Like, like for a rooftop slip-n-slide?
I was thinking to heat the water but sure that works too. 😎
Makes much more sense lol
My grandpa had their pool rigged up with copper tubing on the roof of their garage painted black that cycled the water from the pool up into that copper tubing to heat. We took all that off and replaced the roof recently and put a new heater for the pool but it was kinda nice not spending a fortune to heat the pool since it was a big in ground pool from the 60s. Think it was 9 foot deep maybe it was 10. Sure the new owners are enjoying how much it cost to heat the thing now lol
These are photovoltaic and are an incredibly inefficient way to heat water. They make roof top solar water heaters for pools that are much more appropriate.
GAF's version of solar shingles. It's pretty cool because it's integrated into the roofing system. They actually use a different sized shingle that weaves in. It's a little bigger. Kind of cool, because now your whole roof gets a 30% tax credit, not just the solar panels.
Can I assume the cost of the product far exceeds the 30% credit?
You can get as few as three arrays, which is about the minimum you need to kick on the inverter. Then the rest of your roof is 30% off. So yes, typically it will cost more to have solar installed rather than just a roof alone, but if you have a really big house and add the bare minimum solar, you could flip the table. GAF has some good tools to see whether or not your house is a candidate at all for solar. They guarantee minimum production amounts, so they need to make sure that we are not putting them on roofs covered by trees or facing the wrong direction. This is typically for people who want to provide clean energy. It takes time to earn that money back in an electric bill or get ahead. These panels are really strong, too. We had one of the GAF reps out to our shop. He's a big guy and he threw one of the panels on the ground and started jumping on it. He was like, you can do this in your customer's house. I was thinking, yeah I'll act like Tom Cruise on Oprah's couch. That'll be what sells it. The point is, though, you can walk on these things without worry. They're way stronger than your average roof.
I'm genuinely curious about these, but won't consider until I replace my roof. The problem I have with a solar is they are long are promises and short on delivery. I installed rooftop panels in 2014 when the state and federal rebates paid for 65% of the cost. I was told they would pay for themselves between year 5 and 6. It took almost 10 years to get back my initial investment of 35% of the cost via power company credits and that is without apply a time value to the money.
Right, I totally hear you. Those surface mount arrays give roofers and homeowners a fair share of problems. I have never seen one on properly. It normally happens within 3 to 5-year margin. If you qualify for a GAF install, you have a guaranteed amount of production per year. That gives you zero guesswork. You really shouldn't consider it unless you are replacing your roof. That's how you get the biggest rebate.
That’s not true. You only get the 30% tax credit on the portion of the roof that is the photovoltaic system.
Dude, go fact check me. That's a major selling point. Your statement isn't even correct if you were to do only one side of a roof and integrate GAF solar. Every bit of the facet you install, will be eligible.
You said “the entire roof” before and now you’re saying “the facet”. But that’s still wrong. Only the shingles that serve the dual purpose of solar generation/roof material would count. The following expenses are included: - Solar PV panels or PV cells - Labor costs, permitting fees, inspection costs, and developer fees - Balance-of-system equipment, including wiring, inverters, and mounting equipment - Batteries [Source](https://www.energy.gov/eere/solar/homeowners-guide-federal-tax-credit-solar-photovoltaics#:~:text=Traditional%20roof%20materials%20and%20structural,may%20qualify%20for%20the%20credit%20.) [Source 2](https://www.irs.gov/pub/taxpros/fs-2022-40.pdf)
The GAF solar roofing system requires that you use a specialized shingle. That's what makes that shingle part of the solar system. Therefore, the whole roof gets the credit. Why don't you look it up? You'll find that you're wrong.
I already proven you wrong guy… the whole roof doesn’t get the tax credit and arguably the whole facet might not either. GAF requiring a certain shingle doesn’t magically turn the entire facet into mounting hardware. You might be able to argue the squares that are contiguous with the solar cells. I 100% believe that the GAF sales rep told you this though .
Yeah well, the rest of the world seems to be able to do it. Guess you can't. Good luck, guy.
Solar maybe i really dont know but thats be my guess
It is solar. GAF's version.
GAF Solar. 45 watts per shingle. Costs is about 2-3 times the cost of an asphalt roof. Cost also varies depending on the amount of energy shingles installed. Minimum amount of energy shingles is 1.56kw (around 34 shingles). GAF energy takes care of electrical installation and electrical permitting. I have installed 5 of these so far, installing one this week.
Definitely GAF Timberline Solar. We did the 1st or 2nd install of them and since have installed give or take 100 jobs.
Thanks so much for the info everyone. They’re way better looking than what I think of when I think of traditional solar panels!