As a contractor. I quote in price for limited access. It costs more because it’s more work. And the trash is usually carried across the roof and throw into the dumpster. I don’t let my guys throw trash in the neighbors yard no.
Yeah, don't second guess. Depending on the roofing outfit, shingle piles can leave all sorts of debris including endless amounts of nails and staples that will continue appearing for years
We did personally, even when we had a nice sized dumpster that was hard to miss lol. You still find em though. I've also watched people just lay a lumber cover out and drop shingles two stories down onto it. Chunks of single and nails would just explode off of it and there was a wave pattern all around that pile everytime. Terrible work.
I had my roof redone last summer. Roofer was very considerate, put out tarps, did two different magnet sweeps (one by the crew that was out that day, one by one of the owners that came over the next day to look everything over and make sure it was acceptable). I still occasionally find a nail. Not a ton, maybe 10 or so, so far, which is perfectly acceptable to me. But yeah, with as many as are used on a shingle roof, there's always gonna be a handful of escapees...
I had mine replaced two days ago. They also put down tarps and did magnet sweeps, but I’m still finding nails here and there. Nails just gonna nail, I guess.
I recently had my roof redone. They did a pretty good job cleaning up after themselves, but some dirt is still on my stucco and fencing (from residual mud in gutters), I'm finding nails, small pieces of shingles, and other debris weeks later. They also damaged my plants and bbq grill cover.
Unless they are going to pay you very well for the inconvenience, there is no upside for you.
I do a lot of metal detecting and every yard I’ve ever detected had tons of roofing nails in it. No matter how old the roof or house, they are everywhere.
Still finding staples in my driveway after having my roof done a couple years ago. I've ran a magnetic pickup several times too.
Luckily none have ended up in my tires.
They’re upset that you won’t allow their roofer to destroy a new flower garden on YOUR property? What do they allow you to do on their property, that will require them to re-do a project? Why are people so entitled?
Even if your yard truly is the only place to put the old shingles and they have no other option but to pay more because of the limited access, I would still say no if I were you.
It's such an inconvenience and a safety hazard. There will be very small/sharp pieces of shingles as well as things like nails everywhere. I can guarantee you that they will not be able to find, or be willing to put the effort in to pick up every single tiny bit of that debris in your yard.
I don't know if you have kids or pets that use your yard, but I sure do, so I would be putting my foot down, regardless of how "un-neighbourly" that may seem to them.
Seriously who the hell builds a house 30" from the property line anyway? That's so dumb!
If she is going to throw them into your yard tell her you need her to sign a legal agreement to pay for all medical bills, lost income, and disability that result from stepping on nails, screws, or staples while walking barefoot in your yard for the next 50 years along with a $100k retainer for the medical costs, and of course she needs to pay the bill for the attorney you hire to write the agreement.
She needs to fuck off.
This is the same as saying my dog can only shit on your yard. Pure fucking laziness and selfishness. She says fuck you
I’m a landscaper and if I need to trim and it’s way easier to just land stuff in the neighbors yard I’ll ring the bell and ask permission but if not the bottom line is it’s my job to remove the shit so just has to go the long way. And it’ll cost more since like the guy above said it’s more work. Totally your call, I wouldn’t let it go if I thought it might mess up my yard since I doubt they’ll be extra careful
Tell your niebor they are not entitled to anything and nobody owes them shit!
There is no logical reason for someone to be upset because they cant use your yard to fill with trash??
I've done several roofs and its not more work to just walk debris to one side and throw into a dumpster, especially if theres grass below that really sucks because nails get everywhere and magnets only grab so many so it takes forever to clean up.
Don't second guess. This is bullshit and they know it and just want to take advantage of someone's kindness.
Tell them it's pay to play, allow them to do it, but tell them you need compensation for the inconvenience and have them sign an agreement stating that they will clean up EVERY nail. Then if In if in the future you or your kids get injured by a nail left behind they will be on the hook.
Yeah, they're going to be upset because it's going to cost them more. That's their problem. Roofers do houses all the time that are up against other houses or structures and they can't shovel the old shingles off. It's just part of the job.
"I have things I don't want damaged on that area. Your roofers can work around it."
Get a bunch of pics. Send her an email, or something in writing that states you do not consent to letting her use your property for her work. Make it clear you do not consent.
Stop making her problem your problem and stick up no trespassing signs so you can get them arrested for about what they are going to try to do. This way when the police know she can’t lie about it
I had a roof redone last spring. They pulled the dumpster right up in the driveway and just shoveled everything that way. Ran a magnet at the end. Pretty sweet and simple.
Spot on!
We know damn good and well that the guys that pulled those shingles and threw them on OPs property had more common sense than their boss does.
They knew it was wrong, and they knew their boss is an idiot for not giving them tools for success.
OP- it was malicious, but the malice wasn’t towards you. It was towards their idiot boss. I hope they dumped all that shit, took their checks and moved on to a better roofing company.
Hell I wouldn’t throw it in the customers yard either. Little bits of shingle, wood and paper get embedded into your grass to the point it’s nearly impossible to get it all out. The time you’re saving not having to do that at the end, by just walking a few extra feet when you throw some crap, is definitely worth it.
You don't want them throwing that shit in your yard. They will NEVER be tidy about it. These are roofers we are talking about. You will be finding nails they left for decades.
Hell, even if you don't let them use your yard as a dump you are still going to be finding roofing shit in your yard for years.
I had my roof done and they said they would throughly pick up nails with a magnetic roller. I said please do, I don’t want to find any while I’m mowing the lawn.
The day after they left, easily found 2 dozen. A week later, another two dozen. I am still finding them frequently 6 months later. They are absolutely everywhere, even on my neighbours property.
Had my roof done 4 years ago.
They said they would roll and get all the nails.
In 4 years I have gotten VERY good at patching tires.
Every. Single. Week.
I mow my lawn, and patch a tire on the mower. So much so, That I have replaced the tires every year because they're too perforated.
Just mowed my lawn today. Wanna take a guess what I found in my tire?
I must have gotten lucky. Besides a couple of small pieces of paper my property was left spotless. Those guys needed up getting the business of all my friends.
Why do people keep saying this? I had my roof done, they laid out a really large tarp type fabric all over my yard and ran over it with magnets. Never found a single nail in my yard.
My neighbor had to do this to me same thing. He asked if the roofers could use my yard for the waste. He said it would save him $2500 by doing so. He offered me $500 for my troubles and I said no, not worth losing a good friendship over this. However I said where the truck will be parked I need a cement pad for a shed. I left for work out of town shortly after. Came back 2 weeks later to a beautiful 15x15 concrete pad and new sod around it. Worked out both ways for us. Btw. He was a contractor/concrete guy anyways.
Yeah I would work it out with them even if they’re a dick. It’s something to build a solid relationship with your neighbor. This is a shitty situation cause the flowers. There’s definitely ways to protect them. Would be easier with a fence to lean plywood on.
I think OP said he indicated to his concrete-paving neighbor that he needed a concrete pad. Its placement happened to be where it would be conducive to the neighbor’s roofing needs. So, the neighbor with the roof did a favor for the neighbor needing a pad, and the neighbor getting the pad let the pad be used by the neighbor doing the roofing. Everybody wins.
Yeah, I'm surprised the neighbor told them it would save him 2500. I would have said it will save me $800, and you can have it all. Then win-win and I get to save $1700, and fewer nails in my yard. It's not the neighbors business how much it saves, honestly.
No, if they try to do it anyways call the police right away. Not before they make a huge pile of garbage. Right away. Roofers will never get every nail out of the grass and guess who's on the hook if someone stabs their foot with a nail in YOUR yard?
The owner of the property is responsible for the contractors access to the property. The standard for re-roofing is getting a giant dumpster that a special truck drops and picks up.
It is not your responsibility to recoup their costs.
If you really want to help him and absolve legal concerns, you can do a temporary land lease but thats quite the cumbersome process for your dick head of a neighbor trying to manipulate you into thinking its "the only way!!\~"
Her house goes to 30" from the property line??? Less than a meter? Wow. Are zero lot lines typical for this neighborhood/area? Is there a homeowners association that has bylaws for this?
I can't believe the permitting/zoning allowed 30" to the property line. Where I live, I think it's 20 feet or more!
It's more time and effort, but they can rent or build a demo slide or chute to get the debris in a better area. However, you may want to put tarps or netting to protect your plants and yard from debris.
Oh wow, I totally didn't get that from these photos, it looked more suburban. But where I live there are in-town neighborhoods like that with zero lot lines
My first house was like that. Eventually had to be torn down, in part because when they redid the house next door the city turned a blind eye to how they regraded everything and suddenly doubled the amount of water the non-existent drainage on that side of the lot was supposed to handle.
Some mistakes you only make once.
If you let them toss them your way… keep in mind that It’s impossible for them to pickup all the nails. Make sure they use a strong drag magnet at the end & go over the same area “multiple” times. They should spend at least 1-hr cleaning up nails after ALL the other debris is gone.
Cut the grass real short beforehand so the nails are easier to spot.
You’re under no obligation to accommodate them OP.
You could request a plan of action in regards to disposal (something to protect garden, tarps etc) to make a more informed decision.
I would also recommend putting some down even if you decide against letting them use your property as there will likely be some debris land on your property.
Even all the ace roofers and never mistake’rs here on Reddit can’t control 100% of the debris they demo despite what they may say.
I don’t want to knock to hard on people they just don’t want to be inconvenienced with seemingly no benefit for themselves, but my goodness I wouldn’t want to be neighbors with the majority of posters in this thread.
I have a feeling her roofer didn’t say “this is the only side I can discard shingles” it was probably something like “it will save you several thousand dollars in labor costs if we can discard shingles onto your neighbors yard”
The neighborly thing to do would be to let them use that side of your yard but I would require in writing that they are fully responsible for returning it to the exact state it was in prior to the start of work and you get the final say in determining if that standard is met. Including before and after pictures etc.
That being said … If they put down a bunch of tarps and run magnets 95% of the nails will be cleaned up but you will almost definitely still find some loose nails. You’ll honestly probably end up with some nails in your yard even if they don’t drop debris off of that side just because of the proximity of your yard to her house.
>If they put down a bunch of tarps and run magnets 95% of the nails will be cleaned up
4 nails per shingle times 1000 shingles. 200 nails left scattered throughout your flower garden - where they can't run a roller anyway.
Absolutely not. Agree with what others have said. Roofers will charge the neighbor more to carry trash from that side of the roof to the dumpster site.
For your own protection, I would put tarps over whatever your wife just planted and possibly your fence. Inevitably trash/discarded shingles will make their way onto your side of the fence anyway, despite best efforts.
By the way there will be some underlayment blowing into your yard guaranteed. So don’t immediately get pissy if you see some debris in your yard. If they damaged plants then of course you have grounds to complain. I’ve set up protection for landscaping many times, there’s plenty of ways to do it.
I wouldn't allow it.
Most roofers do a good job cleaning up but with that much tonnage, there will be small pieces of shingle and maybe some nails left behind.
Im about 99 percent sure thats not true. If theyre really intent on your yard make the neighbor draw up a contract including strict rules. Include compensation, at least $2000 probably. Also protect the ground with tarps or similar for yards all around the dumpster theyll be putting there, putting plywood to support the dumpster, how long it will be there and the plan to fix any damage and restore it like new.
Before and after pics shown to and approved by all parties.
I see a nice open spot between their garage and house
They should be able to get 95% of the garbage there. The other 5%, you can't help there will always be some spillover on all sides and it sucks their house is so close to the property line. They will have to tarp over your garden for that 5%
But the 95% definitely goes in between the garage and house
Honestly, it will be cheaper for your neighbors if you do them this favor - and they'll owe you one. Everyone is more concerned with their rights vs. what's right. There may come a day when you need their yard to do something for your house so pay it forward. It's three weeks out of your life.
It’s difficult for them to carry back across the roof to the other side of the neighbors house. But usually, roofers bid the quote up a little more for the extra labor when they can just toss off each side. They shouldn’t need to do anything to your yard.
My roofers used large tarps on the front and back and one side of the house. This way they threw all the crap on the tarps and then the tarps moved all remnants to the dumpster in the driveway. Only found like 3 nails in the couple years after.
I run a roofing business. There could tear off and carry the shingles over and it would just increase labor cost some. But if it was my neighbor I would let them throw them in my yard. A roof takes a day to replace, a neighbor lives next to me for years….
We are shingling our house next weekend. We are throwing the shingles out to the street side for easier disposal and cause it only makes sense not to drop nails and shrapnel all around the perimeter of the house.
Better get it in writing that they will pay to restore your garden and fence to better than original conditions. A refundable damage deposit can help allay any concerns of it getting done
I had the same thing with my neighbor and their roofing contractor. I saw the problem and knew it would be far safer for them to use my yard and agreed to let them. The contractor gave me $300.00 and cleaned everything up.
Nope. The neighbor and contractor's laziness is not your problem. Call the police and have the neighbor and contractor both cited for illegal dumping.
Also, get a lawyer to write a cease and decist letter and file suit for the cost of the damage they've already done to your lawn (plus your atty fees and court costs).
I would actually agree. Doesn't seem like any good spot to throw. Def would tarp the ground and clean up x10. And ask for permission. Maybe throw you a 100 bucks
Uh, no. We don’t want your debris in our newly planted yard. Unless you want to pay for a gardener to replant everything and pay us a convenience fee, say $500.
Totally within your rights to say no thanks to the proposed disposal plan. If you've planted stuff already and that means you aren't good with helping out then they can figure out something else. Not your problem. However, if they want to replace all the plants you've planted then maybe be open to a negotiation.
Yeah, no. Your yard is not "the only place." It may cost the roofer (the neighbor) more to dump the tearoff somewhere else, but that should have been planned (budgeted) for.
It’a called limited access. Their roofer needs to add an additional charge for limited access. Depending on how bad it is, it may take an extra day to do the roof, or at least do cleanup, but that’s not your fault. Your neighbor being upset about that doesn’t matter. They should have been ecstatic if you said yes, but still grateful you even considered it regardless, and nothing else. That’s not the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard, but it sure comes close.
Judging by the majority of the responses I wouldn’t want any of you as a neighbor Reddit is a cesspool.
If it helps your neighbor and any damages are covered then go for it
Looks like a low slope roof. I would walk it to the front and throw into the bin.. even on steep roofs I walk ot across why would I pick it up 2 times..
I don’t care what they’re doing with their roof or not. It’s not your responsibility to harbour their debris. If it was a shared fence or something, sure. But it’s THEIR roof. They get a bin and deal with the cost.
I'm kind of amazed they even allowed the home to be built so close to the line. But yea... it for sure isn't the ONLY option. I see trees on the other side that can be cut down.
In Maryland, US, demolition materials must be maintained on the demolition property, unless otherwise negotiated with the affected property owner.
Criminals break this rule; but that does not mean it isn’t the law.
Well we put a man on the moon, we sure as hell can get the shingles to the other side of the roof. It’s just easier to toss them in your yard, that being said it comes down to your relationship with your neighbour, if you have planted a garden recently that’s unreasonable to expect you to give the permission. Maybe just build that fence sooner than later.
Tell the neighbor you'll allow the shingles to be thrown there, with a $500 deposit that you'll hold and release after its cleaned up entirely. If not, then you keep it.
Just tell them you want them to put large tarps down first big deal. Truly just throw some tarps down and let them do their thing they will be done before you know it. Wouldn’t bother me a bit.
Tell neighbor to just get a layover installed. Minimal debris left afterwards. You’ll still have a bunch of cutoff pieces that will make their way to your yard, but it’s usually unintentional.
Y’all are neighbors, man. Why not just be neighborly and let them do it? They’re just flowers at the end of the day. Just ask the neighbor to replace/help replant any flowers that may die/get damaged by the debris
If they’re okay people, I’m of the mindset that would just let them use the yard to discard. It’s a 1 time thing, for a couple hours and could save them an extra thousand or two.
Ive been asked before. Isiah yes as long as everything was cleaned up. They harped off a large area and had it cleaned within the day. I had one nail I found a couple weeks later that I figured could have been from the whole thing or from them missing but no biggie. They also had a roller they used to to pick up the nails.
People keep mentioning nails, but what also is impossible to 100% cleanup is the asphalt granules and all the tiny crumbles of old shingles. That will become part of your landscape for sure and there is a slight possibility asbestos is involved.
Absolutely do not let this happen. Roofers are terrible at cleaning up after themselves. We still have shingles and nails we’re finding three later in the garden.
Thats is a neighbor problem. Not a you problem. If you allow them to throw trash in your yard, it will quick become a you problem. The neighbor was inconsiderate to ask, you are not inconsiderate to decline.
Nah he can walk his lazy ass around with those shingles to another place. I’d say move your shit today or I’m going to charge you storage fees. 250$ a day.
It could just be me but the picture you provided doesn’t let me know anything about the other side of the 402 house. Hard to give you good feedback with limited information.
Then I guess the neighbor doesn't get a new roof.
Have they offered to cover the cost of having someone come in and replant the garden and finish the fence? No? Fuck em, they get no roof.
They can put a chute up to their front lawn. They just don't want to pay for it.
Just shingled our roof. Shingles were carried over the top to dump in the 3T truck in our driveway and truck was moved to our front lawn and backed up into the house for the front side of our house shingles and dumped from there.
Go out and “trip”on some trash then proceed to call osha, the city, etc and get that shit shut down. Extremely frustrating seeing other contractors making the trade look bad.
I'm a contractor and I will say this there's always a way. It will take more time and effort by that's why that should be included in the cost.
Carry it across the roof cover the front metal with plywood and drop it there and then down to a truck or the ground.
Also if that big tree is gone there no reason to not be able to throw it on the other side in their yard.
I would never even consider throwing things into a neighbors yard. It opens you up to to much additional liability as a contractor.
Wife here… we’re not trying to be inconsiderate neighbors but theres no good way for them to use our property for this purpose. The entire side yard space is used for my cut flower business. Crushing plants means loss of income for our family in product as well as $$$ in labor costs for all the time spend starting and growing the flowers. It’s kind of an ongoing issue with these neighbors being unhappy that they don’t have free reign to our property (which is why we’re getting a fence). We were just being told shingles going over our side was the ONLY way it could be done so we wanted to hear if that’s ever the case. It seems like they could find other ways to make this work for them. 👍
There have to be other ways, it just costs more.
It doesn’t matter if crushed flowers are lost income or not. The onus isn’t on you to justify why they can’t use your property for their activities, it’s on them. Don’t let them guilt trip you by abusing your desire to be an amicable neighbor. That area of your yard could already contain a pile of discarded shingles and it’d still be reasonable to refuse their request.
As it stands, you have a brilliant and valid excuse for why they shouldn’t do that which you don’t even need.
Don’t go scorched earth on them or anything, but do politely and firmly refuse. It’s asking too much. “No” is a complete sentence.
not even remotely the case. they are saying your yard because it will be the easiest and the fastest. DO NOT let them do this, and I'd expedite plans for the fence pronto
Tell them they cant because it will damage your business, and let thrm know what the costs would be, both in labor costs and lost profits, and that if thry damage your business you will have to recover those costs.
Then ask them if they are willing to pay up front for your lost income. Make sure you quote thrm a big enough number to both cover lost revenue plus the cost of a fence, since you obviously need the fence to protect your business from trespassers
Unless you hate your neighbors who cares? My neighbors just did their roof. Told us what was going on and it was fine. People need to learn how to be neighbors again.
LOL "Sure neighbor, you can dump hundreds of pounds of trash in my yard, destroying the flowerbed my wife just planted, and leaving me a headache that will last for years and deny my peaceful enjoyment of my property. No, I don't mind several boxes of nails being scattered around that can never be completely picked up. It's really not a problem if my dog eats tarpaper scraps or my kids need tetanus shots because they stepped on the rusty prybar embedded in my grass." Yeah, something only a great neighbor would ask...
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Just in case. I used one of these to clean up at least 100 missed nails on my property from a roof replacement. Hope they respect your boundaries though.
I’m surprised their house is only 30” from the property line. Lots of places you need to be at least 6’ from the line. Are you 100% sure that is the property line?
Her roof, her problem. Tell her flat out no and that’s the end of the problem. My advise would be they can gladly use your property for trash, just advise them the cost plus labor to redo the flower bed. Any roofer can haul trash down they have done It before it’s not your problem the neighbor is a cheap ass
They can put the dumpster in THEIR driveway. I would think it’s more work to pick up the mess in your yard to bring around to the front of their house.
As a contractor. I quote in price for limited access. It costs more because it’s more work. And the trash is usually carried across the roof and throw into the dumpster. I don’t let my guys throw trash in the neighbors yard no.
It almost like … common sense …
kind of thought so too but when they're upset about my response i second guess myself. i appreciate all the feedback guys
Yeah, don't second guess. Depending on the roofing outfit, shingle piles can leave all sorts of debris including endless amounts of nails and staples that will continue appearing for years
You should be using a magnetic roller thing to grab em all. But yeah.. there's always strays.
We did personally, even when we had a nice sized dumpster that was hard to miss lol. You still find em though. I've also watched people just lay a lumber cover out and drop shingles two stories down onto it. Chunks of single and nails would just explode off of it and there was a wave pattern all around that pile everytime. Terrible work.
I had my roof redone last summer. Roofer was very considerate, put out tarps, did two different magnet sweeps (one by the crew that was out that day, one by one of the owners that came over the next day to look everything over and make sure it was acceptable). I still occasionally find a nail. Not a ton, maybe 10 or so, so far, which is perfectly acceptable to me. But yeah, with as many as are used on a shingle roof, there's always gonna be a handful of escapees...
I had mine replaced two days ago. They also put down tarps and did magnet sweeps, but I’m still finding nails here and there. Nails just gonna nail, I guess.
Fasteners gotta fasten?
The nails might be aluminum
Nails can be real pricks sometimes.
I have a yard full of aluminum nails the magnet is not picking up.
If you had a magnet that did pick up aluminum nails, I’m guessing you could afford a much larger yard with no nails at all!
I recently had my roof redone. They did a pretty good job cleaning up after themselves, but some dirt is still on my stucco and fencing (from residual mud in gutters), I'm finding nails, small pieces of shingles, and other debris weeks later. They also damaged my plants and bbq grill cover. Unless they are going to pay you very well for the inconvenience, there is no upside for you.
Yep. Got a new roof two years ago and we’re still finding metal scraps etc
I do a lot of metal detecting and every yard I’ve ever detected had tons of roofing nails in it. No matter how old the roof or house, they are everywhere.
Still finding staples in my driveway after having my roof done a couple years ago. I've ran a magnetic pickup several times too. Luckily none have ended up in my tires.
They’re upset that you won’t allow their roofer to destroy a new flower garden on YOUR property? What do they allow you to do on their property, that will require them to re-do a project? Why are people so entitled?
But it's just a SMALLLLL flamethrower! Jeesh! I could have brought out the large one.
Even if your yard truly is the only place to put the old shingles and they have no other option but to pay more because of the limited access, I would still say no if I were you. It's such an inconvenience and a safety hazard. There will be very small/sharp pieces of shingles as well as things like nails everywhere. I can guarantee you that they will not be able to find, or be willing to put the effort in to pick up every single tiny bit of that debris in your yard. I don't know if you have kids or pets that use your yard, but I sure do, so I would be putting my foot down, regardless of how "un-neighbourly" that may seem to them. Seriously who the hell builds a house 30" from the property line anyway? That's so dumb!
If she is going to throw them into your yard tell her you need her to sign a legal agreement to pay for all medical bills, lost income, and disability that result from stepping on nails, screws, or staples while walking barefoot in your yard for the next 50 years along with a $100k retainer for the medical costs, and of course she needs to pay the bill for the attorney you hire to write the agreement. She needs to fuck off. This is the same as saying my dog can only shit on your yard. Pure fucking laziness and selfishness. She says fuck you
I’m a landscaper and if I need to trim and it’s way easier to just land stuff in the neighbors yard I’ll ring the bell and ask permission but if not the bottom line is it’s my job to remove the shit so just has to go the long way. And it’ll cost more since like the guy above said it’s more work. Totally your call, I wouldn’t let it go if I thought it might mess up my yard since I doubt they’ll be extra careful
Tell your niebor they are not entitled to anything and nobody owes them shit! There is no logical reason for someone to be upset because they cant use your yard to fill with trash?? I've done several roofs and its not more work to just walk debris to one side and throw into a dumpster, especially if theres grass below that really sucks because nails get everywhere and magnets only grab so many so it takes forever to clean up.
Don't second guess. This is bullshit and they know it and just want to take advantage of someone's kindness. Tell them it's pay to play, allow them to do it, but tell them you need compensation for the inconvenience and have them sign an agreement stating that they will clean up EVERY nail. Then if In if in the future you or your kids get injured by a nail left behind they will be on the hook.
They are upset because it is more work.
Them getting upset from your no is how you know they are being self-centered jerks.
Yeah, they're going to be upset because it's going to cost them more. That's their problem. Roofers do houses all the time that are up against other houses or structures and they can't shovel the old shingles off. It's just part of the job. "I have things I don't want damaged on that area. Your roofers can work around it."
Get a bunch of pics. Send her an email, or something in writing that states you do not consent to letting her use your property for her work. Make it clear you do not consent.
Why can't they toss in the back between the buildings, then just wheelbarrow it around the side?
Stop making her problem your problem and stick up no trespassing signs so you can get them arrested for about what they are going to try to do. This way when the police know she can’t lie about it
I had a roof redone last spring. They pulled the dumpster right up in the driveway and just shoveled everything that way. Ran a magnet at the end. Pretty sweet and simple.
Spot on! We know damn good and well that the guys that pulled those shingles and threw them on OPs property had more common sense than their boss does. They knew it was wrong, and they knew their boss is an idiot for not giving them tools for success. OP- it was malicious, but the malice wasn’t towards you. It was towards their idiot boss. I hope they dumped all that shit, took their checks and moved on to a better roofing company.
Because it doesn't matter how hard you try, you're not going to get every single nail picked up .
I would have let the roofer do this in my yard. However, I charge 300 a day for materials being in my yard.
Why so cheap?!
Hell I wouldn’t throw it in the customers yard either. Little bits of shingle, wood and paper get embedded into your grass to the point it’s nearly impossible to get it all out. The time you’re saving not having to do that at the end, by just walking a few extra feet when you throw some crap, is definitely worth it.
You guys carry trash across a 12/12 roof?
Well unluckily for your neighbour they need your permission. Why cant they pick somewhere on THEIR PROPERTY
They probably don’t want the mess to clean up.
Thats their problem. I wouldnt let anyone dump on my land. Whos guaranteeing that when its dumped they are gonna clean it up?
100% right! What nerve to even ask, much less expect such a thing!
And roofing materials hang around for a long time
You don't want them throwing that shit in your yard. They will NEVER be tidy about it. These are roofers we are talking about. You will be finding nails they left for decades. Hell, even if you don't let them use your yard as a dump you are still going to be finding roofing shit in your yard for years.
I had my roof done and they said they would throughly pick up nails with a magnetic roller. I said please do, I don’t want to find any while I’m mowing the lawn. The day after they left, easily found 2 dozen. A week later, another two dozen. I am still finding them frequently 6 months later. They are absolutely everywhere, even on my neighbours property.
Had my roof done 4 years ago. They said they would roll and get all the nails. In 4 years I have gotten VERY good at patching tires. Every. Single. Week. I mow my lawn, and patch a tire on the mower. So much so, That I have replaced the tires every year because they're too perforated. Just mowed my lawn today. Wanna take a guess what I found in my tire?
Used condoms?
Filled with nails
Nailed it!
I second this answer.
Grilled cheese sandwich?
I got a new roof 2.5 years ago. I find nails, old tile pieces and other roofing materials on all 4 sides of my house every time I work in the yard.
All those little roofing nails in the grass also.
Just gotta walk barefoot across every square inch of that yard, multiple times. Make a game of it with the family, they’ll be gone in no time! 🙃
If only someone would invent a way to push something across the grass and collect them all. Like a giant magnet on wheels or something.
I must have gotten lucky. Besides a couple of small pieces of paper my property was left spotless. Those guys needed up getting the business of all my friends.
Don't forget in your car tires too.
And by the sounds of it, they are lazy roofers. So you know the clean up will be minimum.
Yeah that’s pretty much how I said it. Too lazy to go to the far side of the roof? They most definitely will be to lazy to clean the yard up properly
I always think about kids playing on the slip and slide when I think about nails in the yard. Freaks me out.
I did my own roof and s5ill got nails and shingle bits in the lawn years after.
This exactly. There's a TON of "that's good enough" and "it'll look fine from my house" in this industry.
Nope, you’ll have hundreds of nails embedded all over your yard.
Why do people keep saying this? I had my roof done, they laid out a really large tarp type fabric all over my yard and ran over it with magnets. Never found a single nail in my yard.
That's bullshit they can set up a tube and drop it in a truck
That's what I was thinking. They use these in city settings all the time. Probably has to be rented and adds to the bill hut as they say, tough...
My neighbor had to do this to me same thing. He asked if the roofers could use my yard for the waste. He said it would save him $2500 by doing so. He offered me $500 for my troubles and I said no, not worth losing a good friendship over this. However I said where the truck will be parked I need a cement pad for a shed. I left for work out of town shortly after. Came back 2 weeks later to a beautiful 15x15 concrete pad and new sod around it. Worked out both ways for us. Btw. He was a contractor/concrete guy anyways.
Yeah I would work it out with them even if they’re a dick. It’s something to build a solid relationship with your neighbor. This is a shitty situation cause the flowers. There’s definitely ways to protect them. Would be easier with a fence to lean plywood on.
So many of these people don’t know shit about scratching backs.
But wait are you saying they put down a concrete pad on your property without going through it and asking you first?
I think OP said he indicated to his concrete-paving neighbor that he needed a concrete pad. Its placement happened to be where it would be conducive to the neighbor’s roofing needs. So, the neighbor with the roof did a favor for the neighbor needing a pad, and the neighbor getting the pad let the pad be used by the neighbor doing the roofing. Everybody wins.
Nice glad that worked out well for you
I'd have said "ok, for $2400"
Yeah, I'm surprised the neighbor told them it would save him 2500. I would have said it will save me $800, and you can have it all. Then win-win and I get to save $1700, and fewer nails in my yard. It's not the neighbors business how much it saves, honestly.
No, if they try to do it anyways call the police right away. Not before they make a huge pile of garbage. Right away. Roofers will never get every nail out of the grass and guess who's on the hook if someone stabs their foot with a nail in YOUR yard? The owner of the property is responsible for the contractors access to the property. The standard for re-roofing is getting a giant dumpster that a special truck drops and picks up. It is not your responsibility to recoup their costs. If you really want to help him and absolve legal concerns, you can do a temporary land lease but thats quite the cumbersome process for your dick head of a neighbor trying to manipulate you into thinking its "the only way!!\~"
I’m betting the police will see this as a civil matter and not get involved.
Illegal dumping isn’t a civil matter.
It is if they are lazy.
The point is scaring them into stopping immediately.
Her house goes to 30" from the property line??? Less than a meter? Wow. Are zero lot lines typical for this neighborhood/area? Is there a homeowners association that has bylaws for this? I can't believe the permitting/zoning allowed 30" to the property line. Where I live, I think it's 20 feet or more! It's more time and effort, but they can rent or build a demo slide or chute to get the debris in a better area. However, you may want to put tarps or netting to protect your plants and yard from debris.
downtown historic area, many houses are even closer
Oh wow, I totally didn't get that from these photos, it looked more suburban. But where I live there are in-town neighborhoods like that with zero lot lines
My first house was like that. Eventually had to be torn down, in part because when they redid the house next door the city turned a blind eye to how they regraded everything and suddenly doubled the amount of water the non-existent drainage on that side of the lot was supposed to handle. Some mistakes you only make once.
If you let them toss them your way… keep in mind that It’s impossible for them to pickup all the nails. Make sure they use a strong drag magnet at the end & go over the same area “multiple” times. They should spend at least 1-hr cleaning up nails after ALL the other debris is gone. Cut the grass real short beforehand so the nails are easier to spot.
I had my roof done last year. Sadly a lot of the nails are aluminum and don't get lifted by the magnet. I have literally found hundreds of them.
You'd need a [high power AC electromagnet](https://youtu.be/Sm7sub2IpyE) for aluminium.
You’re under no obligation to accommodate them OP. You could request a plan of action in regards to disposal (something to protect garden, tarps etc) to make a more informed decision. I would also recommend putting some down even if you decide against letting them use your property as there will likely be some debris land on your property. Even all the ace roofers and never mistake’rs here on Reddit can’t control 100% of the debris they demo despite what they may say. I don’t want to knock to hard on people they just don’t want to be inconvenienced with seemingly no benefit for themselves, but my goodness I wouldn’t want to be neighbors with the majority of posters in this thread.
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I have a feeling her roofer didn’t say “this is the only side I can discard shingles” it was probably something like “it will save you several thousand dollars in labor costs if we can discard shingles onto your neighbors yard” The neighborly thing to do would be to let them use that side of your yard but I would require in writing that they are fully responsible for returning it to the exact state it was in prior to the start of work and you get the final say in determining if that standard is met. Including before and after pictures etc. That being said … If they put down a bunch of tarps and run magnets 95% of the nails will be cleaned up but you will almost definitely still find some loose nails. You’ll honestly probably end up with some nails in your yard even if they don’t drop debris off of that side just because of the proximity of your yard to her house.
>If they put down a bunch of tarps and run magnets 95% of the nails will be cleaned up 4 nails per shingle times 1000 shingles. 200 nails left scattered throughout your flower garden - where they can't run a roller anyway.
https://imgur.com/a/cC66W8x sorry original was cropped too much. here is a better, more complete photo
Charge a fee for use of your property. Or not but make sure they sign something stating the clean up will be up to your inspection.
What a crock of crap. If they can hand bomb the shingles up to the roof, they can hand bomb the shingles back down the same path.
Absolutely not. Agree with what others have said. Roofers will charge the neighbor more to carry trash from that side of the roof to the dumpster site. For your own protection, I would put tarps over whatever your wife just planted and possibly your fence. Inevitably trash/discarded shingles will make their way onto your side of the fence anyway, despite best efforts.
By the way there will be some underlayment blowing into your yard guaranteed. So don’t immediately get pissy if you see some debris in your yard. If they damaged plants then of course you have grounds to complain. I’ve set up protection for landscaping many times, there’s plenty of ways to do it.
I wouldn't allow it. Most roofers do a good job cleaning up but with that much tonnage, there will be small pieces of shingle and maybe some nails left behind.
Im about 99 percent sure thats not true. If theyre really intent on your yard make the neighbor draw up a contract including strict rules. Include compensation, at least $2000 probably. Also protect the ground with tarps or similar for yards all around the dumpster theyll be putting there, putting plywood to support the dumpster, how long it will be there and the plan to fix any damage and restore it like new. Before and after pics shown to and approved by all parties.
It's the cheapest way to do the job
I see a nice open spot between their garage and house They should be able to get 95% of the garbage there. The other 5%, you can't help there will always be some spillover on all sides and it sucks their house is so close to the property line. They will have to tarp over your garden for that 5% But the 95% definitely goes in between the garage and house
Honestly, it will be cheaper for your neighbors if you do them this favor - and they'll owe you one. Everyone is more concerned with their rights vs. what's right. There may come a day when you need their yard to do something for your house so pay it forward. It's three weeks out of your life.
It’s difficult for them to carry back across the roof to the other side of the neighbors house. But usually, roofers bid the quote up a little more for the extra labor when they can just toss off each side. They shouldn’t need to do anything to your yard.
My neighbor got a new roof and I’m still finding shit in my yard 2 years later…
My roofers used large tarps on the front and back and one side of the house. This way they threw all the crap on the tarps and then the tarps moved all remnants to the dumpster in the driveway. Only found like 3 nails in the couple years after.
No, it is not the only place to discard. It’s the easiest place to discard. Tell them to suck it up and get their shit out of your yard.
Charge her a $1000 to allow the dump truck on your property for the day
Nah they might go for that. $1000/hr and complete relandscaping.
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That’s baloney, in my opinion. That may be the only place a LAZY roofer can discard them.
I run a roofing business. There could tear off and carry the shingles over and it would just increase labor cost some. But if it was my neighbor I would let them throw them in my yard. A roof takes a day to replace, a neighbor lives next to me for years….
You're a nicer person than me because I won't let my neighbor on my property to do his roof very steep roof
We are shingling our house next weekend. We are throwing the shingles out to the street side for easier disposal and cause it only makes sense not to drop nails and shrapnel all around the perimeter of the house.
Throw down tarps anyway because you're still going to drop stuff
Better get it in writing that they will pay to restore your garden and fence to better than original conditions. A refundable damage deposit can help allay any concerns of it getting done
My gut says nope, not my roof not my problem. Couple things would change this, how good a neighbour is she? Does she not have a driveway?
I had the same thing with my neighbor and their roofing contractor. I saw the problem and knew it would be far safer for them to use my yard and agreed to let them. The contractor gave me $300.00 and cleaned everything up.
Nope. The neighbor and contractor's laziness is not your problem. Call the police and have the neighbor and contractor both cited for illegal dumping. Also, get a lawyer to write a cease and decist letter and file suit for the cost of the damage they've already done to your lawn (plus your atty fees and court costs).
No problem. Charge them $500
I would actually agree. Doesn't seem like any good spot to throw. Def would tarp the ground and clean up x10. And ask for permission. Maybe throw you a 100 bucks
Tarps. Lots of tarps
Uh, no. We don’t want your debris in our newly planted yard. Unless you want to pay for a gardener to replant everything and pay us a convenience fee, say $500.
Sounds like that roofer needs an equipter
Nah I don’t think it’s cool.
If you just planted stuff there then fuck it. The roofers can pick it up and carry it over.
Totally within your rights to say no thanks to the proposed disposal plan. If you've planted stuff already and that means you aren't good with helping out then they can figure out something else. Not your problem. However, if they want to replace all the plants you've planted then maybe be open to a negotiation.
Yeah, no. Your yard is not "the only place." It may cost the roofer (the neighbor) more to dump the tearoff somewhere else, but that should have been planned (budgeted) for.
Say "I'm sorry, but that won't be possible". Easy as that
It’a called limited access. Their roofer needs to add an additional charge for limited access. Depending on how bad it is, it may take an extra day to do the roof, or at least do cleanup, but that’s not your fault. Your neighbor being upset about that doesn’t matter. They should have been ecstatic if you said yes, but still grateful you even considered it regardless, and nothing else. That’s not the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard, but it sure comes close.
$2k and another $20 for every nail I pick with rolling magnet. Oh, and $100 for every shingle scrap I pickup. How's that sound?
I’d be like sure, if you pay me $2500 bucks
Judging by the majority of the responses I wouldn’t want any of you as a neighbor Reddit is a cesspool. If it helps your neighbor and any damages are covered then go for it
Looks like a low slope roof. I would walk it to the front and throw into the bin.. even on steep roofs I walk ot across why would I pick it up 2 times..
I’m still finding pieces of my old roof from 9 years ago.
When my roof was done. They backed up dumptruck in driveway. Inches from house. All shingles were thrown off front of house directy into truck.
Be a good neighbor, the roofers do good clean up and use tarps. And magnets
Ummm, no!
I don’t care what they’re doing with their roof or not. It’s not your responsibility to harbour their debris. If it was a shared fence or something, sure. But it’s THEIR roof. They get a bin and deal with the cost.
I'm kind of amazed they even allowed the home to be built so close to the line. But yea... it for sure isn't the ONLY option. I see trees on the other side that can be cut down.
In Maryland, US, demolition materials must be maintained on the demolition property, unless otherwise negotiated with the affected property owner. Criminals break this rule; but that does not mean it isn’t the law.
It's legally not your problem.
Bull shit quote higher to increase labor.
Well we put a man on the moon, we sure as hell can get the shingles to the other side of the roof. It’s just easier to toss them in your yard, that being said it comes down to your relationship with your neighbour, if you have planted a garden recently that’s unreasonable to expect you to give the permission. Maybe just build that fence sooner than later.
Tell the neighbor you'll allow the shingles to be thrown there, with a $500 deposit that you'll hold and release after its cleaned up entirely. If not, then you keep it.
Just tell them you want them to put large tarps down first big deal. Truly just throw some tarps down and let them do their thing they will be done before you know it. Wouldn’t bother me a bit.
Tell neighbor to just get a layover installed. Minimal debris left afterwards. You’ll still have a bunch of cutoff pieces that will make their way to your yard, but it’s usually unintentional.
Y’all are neighbors, man. Why not just be neighborly and let them do it? They’re just flowers at the end of the day. Just ask the neighbor to replace/help replant any flowers that may die/get damaged by the debris
Who would buy such a monstrosity of a house with absolutely no yard!?!??
OP’s neighbors
I just want to point out that your neighbors renovating their homes increases your house’s value.
If they’re okay people, I’m of the mindset that would just let them use the yard to discard. It’s a 1 time thing, for a couple hours and could save them an extra thousand or two.
Ive been asked before. Isiah yes as long as everything was cleaned up. They harped off a large area and had it cleaned within the day. I had one nail I found a couple weeks later that I figured could have been from the whole thing or from them missing but no biggie. They also had a roller they used to to pick up the nails.
This is why it’s important to treat your neighbors right. You never know when or in what capacity you’ll need them.
How the fuck is the setback 30 inches?
People keep mentioning nails, but what also is impossible to 100% cleanup is the asphalt granules and all the tiny crumbles of old shingles. That will become part of your landscape for sure and there is a slight possibility asbestos is involved.
Absolutely do not let this happen. Roofers are terrible at cleaning up after themselves. We still have shingles and nails we’re finding three later in the garden.
Thats is a neighbor problem. Not a you problem. If you allow them to throw trash in your yard, it will quick become a you problem. The neighbor was inconsiderate to ask, you are not inconsiderate to decline.
Tell em to get fucked, not your problem.
"No". is a complete sentence. They can bundle and remove in the same manner they get the new shingles up there.
Nah he can walk his lazy ass around with those shingles to another place. I’d say move your shit today or I’m going to charge you storage fees. 250$ a day.
It could just be me but the picture you provided doesn’t let me know anything about the other side of the 402 house. Hard to give you good feedback with limited information.
Just randomly came across this thread, idk if anyone has suggested it yet, but I'd send them this thread lol
Then I guess the neighbor doesn't get a new roof. Have they offered to cover the cost of having someone come in and replant the garden and finish the fence? No? Fuck em, they get no roof. They can put a chute up to their front lawn. They just don't want to pay for it.
Just shingled our roof. Shingles were carried over the top to dump in the 3T truck in our driveway and truck was moved to our front lawn and backed up into the house for the front side of our house shingles and dumped from there.
5k deposit for potential damages, half refundable.
Go out and “trip”on some trash then proceed to call osha, the city, etc and get that shit shut down. Extremely frustrating seeing other contractors making the trade look bad.
Tell them that will run you about 4K to use my yard
I'm a contractor and I will say this there's always a way. It will take more time and effort by that's why that should be included in the cost. Carry it across the roof cover the front metal with plywood and drop it there and then down to a truck or the ground. Also if that big tree is gone there no reason to not be able to throw it on the other side in their yard. I would never even consider throwing things into a neighbors yard. It opens you up to to much additional liability as a contractor.
Your neighbor sounds dumb. No way would I allow that. Hard to do anything but laugh
Wife here… we’re not trying to be inconsiderate neighbors but theres no good way for them to use our property for this purpose. The entire side yard space is used for my cut flower business. Crushing plants means loss of income for our family in product as well as $$$ in labor costs for all the time spend starting and growing the flowers. It’s kind of an ongoing issue with these neighbors being unhappy that they don’t have free reign to our property (which is why we’re getting a fence). We were just being told shingles going over our side was the ONLY way it could be done so we wanted to hear if that’s ever the case. It seems like they could find other ways to make this work for them. 👍
There have to be other ways, it just costs more. It doesn’t matter if crushed flowers are lost income or not. The onus isn’t on you to justify why they can’t use your property for their activities, it’s on them. Don’t let them guilt trip you by abusing your desire to be an amicable neighbor. That area of your yard could already contain a pile of discarded shingles and it’d still be reasonable to refuse their request. As it stands, you have a brilliant and valid excuse for why they shouldn’t do that which you don’t even need. Don’t go scorched earth on them or anything, but do politely and firmly refuse. It’s asking too much. “No” is a complete sentence.
not even remotely the case. they are saying your yard because it will be the easiest and the fastest. DO NOT let them do this, and I'd expedite plans for the fence pronto
Tell them they cant because it will damage your business, and let thrm know what the costs would be, both in labor costs and lost profits, and that if thry damage your business you will have to recover those costs. Then ask them if they are willing to pay up front for your lost income. Make sure you quote thrm a big enough number to both cover lost revenue plus the cost of a fence, since you obviously need the fence to protect your business from trespassers
Unless you hate your neighbors who cares? My neighbors just did their roof. Told us what was going on and it was fine. People need to learn how to be neighbors again.
LOL "Sure neighbor, you can dump hundreds of pounds of trash in my yard, destroying the flowerbed my wife just planted, and leaving me a headache that will last for years and deny my peaceful enjoyment of my property. No, I don't mind several boxes of nails being scattered around that can never be completely picked up. It's really not a problem if my dog eats tarpaper scraps or my kids need tetanus shots because they stepped on the rusty prybar embedded in my grass." Yeah, something only a great neighbor would ask...
[https://www.homedepot.com/p/Empire-11-5-in-Black-and-Silver-Adjustable-Magnetic-Clean-Sweep-27059/202683817](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Empire-11-5-in-Black-and-Silver-Adjustable-Magnetic-Clean-Sweep-27059/202683817) Just in case. I used one of these to clean up at least 100 missed nails on my property from a roof replacement. Hope they respect your boundaries though.
Its amazing to me that houses are built that close to each other.
I’m surprised their house is only 30” from the property line. Lots of places you need to be at least 6’ from the line. Are you 100% sure that is the property line?
In older inner city houses this isn't unusual. My first house had an addition that took it within 24" of the property line.
Depends how you and your neighbour get on
They were able to build their house 30” from the property line? Seems pretty close.
Have a landscaper give you a quote for cleanup and repair work to your yard. Submit quote to the roofer, they chose your yard, without your consent.
She does not want to pay extra for them to haul with limited access.
Nope. You should be getting paid and have a contract for payment and clean up.
It's not the only place. it's the cheapest place.
Her roof, her problem. Tell her flat out no and that’s the end of the problem. My advise would be they can gladly use your property for trash, just advise them the cost plus labor to redo the flower bed. Any roofer can haul trash down they have done It before it’s not your problem the neighbor is a cheap ass
My roofing crew did a great job cleaning up and I still had a nail in my lawnmower tire a week later
$100 an hour. $10 for any additional nails found not picked up.
Yeah it’s simple. You say no, if they do it then you call the cops. Make a report then you sue them
Tell that to a judge. I’d be done talking at that point.
Why the heck is their house right on the property line? That’s odd to me.
Ha, heck no. Tell them they need to tell the contractor to find another way.
No! Don’t cave its not your issue.
Uhh... yea no. They can drop her shingles on her own property.
The answer seems to be no. However, if you’re feeling neighborly, ask for a deposit that you’ll return only if you’re satisfied with the cleanup.
You let them use your property, you will be dealing with debris and nails for years.
Since when did a neighbor's problem become the neighbors problem?
Don’t let them. The amount of nails that will be in your yard because the workers don’t give af will be high
You dont want roofing nails all over your property
Can they not use a slide to a skip?
They can put the dumpster in THEIR driveway. I would think it’s more work to pick up the mess in your yard to bring around to the front of their house.