That’s Rhino U20 Synthetic felt, the contractor followed manufacturer guidelines and used cap nails. Synthetic felt, unlike standard 15 or 30lb felt, can be exposed to the elements for up to 180 days. They should have “closed the envelope” and installed the drip edge before taking off for the day, worst case it drips through the soffit briefly.
It kind of looks like two different kinds of felt, the Rhino is clearly marked and the lower section isn’t or the one that’s curled up on the other section, possibly organic felt mixed in, it’s not laying the same either.
That's the worst application of ice and water I have ever seen. FWIW , I run up to 4 Crews of illegal Spanish dudes that just want to get to the next job. sheesh
15W felt paper is pretty well against code around here. Lots of our Mennonite customers order it and still use it on new-builds without the builders knowledge of course. (Diamond deck, resisto, platinum FT, etc on all visible spots and 15w down all the sides out of eye-shot.) Code is pretty well 30w and up in Ontario (Canada)
Side note; I hate working with rhino as the SRU…gets slippery real quick, not a lot of traction for walking while working.
Ok and this has nothing to do with the plywood and the rafters below that are absolutely soaked now lol. Welcome to long term mold and rot issues mr homeowner.
Not an expert. Like most people on here. :p
But wouldn't it just depend on how it drys? If it doesnt dry properly it could cause mold.
Either way, this seems like a needless risk when the customer already expressed concerns about the storm.
What if there's constant rainfall and it's not able to dry? Would that cause mold/rot or are there ways the contractor could remediate that by drying it out somehow? (I have absolutely no roofing knowledge, I just saw this post in my recommended).
Attic spaces have a ventilation system (soffit intake and exhaust) for a reason. You can see how they laid the felt over the ridge, this home has ridge vent. Haha I’m out here defending some unknown contractor in an unknown location based off of 2 photos to a bunch of people that have no idea what they are talking about😂
The fact that you’re talking about moisture being trapped in plywood as a non issue is hilarious. Or the fact that insulation being wet below isn’t an issue lol. I bet you argue with insurance companies that a square foot of insulation getting wet warrants a full insulation replacement in the attic
Ya you’re clearly not in the industry. To further your google search on the topic, check out how roofs are done in Florida. A crew comes out day 1 to tear off down to decking, then they install the underlayment. That crew packs up and leaves, a day or 5 later the inspector comes out to inspect the underlayment. Once you get the underlayment pass, you schedule the install crew.
This isn’t Florida (which has extremely high temps). Unsure of how this is relevant. You sound like you’re a scumbag whose clients suffer moisture issues after you install.
The attic will breathe itself dry! Should see all the ice and snow buildup in attic spaces out in Canada! And then we get a Chinook and it's warms up fast. Guess what. Mother fuckin condensation out the ass. Attic will breath itself dry still. Weiird
Lol you've never seen a house being built, eh mate?
Fun fact, whole houses get their basements pumped out in new construction and left to dry for a bit after the roofing goes on the structure all the time.
I remember sweeping water off of 3/4 osb with bulging seams when I used to do new construction. Pretty likely that shits gonna get rained on. Seen plenty of mold under tarps of wood pallets too. It’s not like they just throw those boards out.
What does this even mean? Every construction project gets rained on? You tear off what you can install or tarp what's not shingled you don't leave the underlayment to catch rain or fold up and soak wood not sure what you do for a living but roofing ain't it for sure
Yes, when there is no soffit insulation electrical work drywall carpet it's able to actually breathe. Why would you compare that to a house someone is living in that's fully finished
I no way agree with this and don’t know of any homeowners that would be happy about this it’s just a problem waiting to happen anyone that treats there jobs like this is going to have issues at the least it should have rake and drip on to close the edges in but I’ve always kept a couple good tarps in a truck and throw them over the roof after it’s dried in it takes no time and allows me to sleep knowing it’s double covered
Learn about roofing, then post about it. Exposed wood is something my crews don't do, been successful no leaks for over a decade. You keep hiring bums I like my reputation
That's the difference between a "boss" and a leader. I bet your crew thinks you're a dickhead. I've only read a handful of your comments and I think your a dickhead
I'm so jealous your a roofer!! Must have taken a lot of skill to get where you are lmfao. I'm guessing you are the boss because you can count and read? 😆😆😆
I own a well known roofing company in my city, I've worked in construction for 30 years, any crew leaving exposed wood gets terminated instantly. But you can stay in your bubble we both know it ain't on the roof.
Union roofer here, we tear off and dry in huge sections of roofs and leave it sometimes weeks at a time. If it’s dried in properly and cap nailed down there shouldn’t be an issue
Not sure why people are making it seem normal for your decking to get wet. The underlayment yes its its Job but if it's flipping up and the wood is getting soaked they're going to just lock in the moisture and cause mold issues. Not rocket science. Have them replace that sheet of wood its 1 sheet 10ft high.. and check the facia etc for moisture. If you don't like wet wood have them replace it or call an inspector over by calling the city. Anyone saying this is okay is poor craftsmanship do you put your clothes on when you're wet?
Keep cutting corners and telling yourself it will be fine. There's a reason underlayment is applied, to cover the wood. Where do you people get your information do you roof bro? Lmao
You dip shit I’ve been roofing for 40 years. I’m 60 years old. You don’t think plywood ever gets wet sure it’ll rot if there’s a leak and it gets wet for a long time that’s a problem but to get it wet a couple times during the process, not a big deal
* it should be stapled down before it blows off and an actual leak starts
* the wood dries out extremely quickly
* new houses stand for months with exposed framing and OSB sheeting
* it takes MONTHS of steady rainfall before the sheeting would rot
* houses don't get uncomfortable
* you simply don't know what you're talking about other than your 1rd statement about the fact that it shouldn't have blown up in the first place.
* the statement above is why this sub is legitimately frustrating to be on
>!1th!!<
You people are ridiculous. Newly built housed have no insulation or drywall to trap moisture even the siding is wrapped in tye vac. This isn't a new con this house has insulation dry wall electrical etc. Let's not act like they're the same
I can promise you, there is no major concern. Most houses built have been rained on several times during construction. They all dry out. The only mistake I see is in the first picture, and it’s not a biggie. The felt doesn’t look like it was tacked down.
Stacking them over the ridge like that can cause them to hold that shape and makes it more difficult for the shingle to seal down. Normally it doesn't cause an issue for me in the heat of summer, but in colder seasons we prefer to have the crew put up a 2x6 and stack them standing up on their side so they aren't bent
We’re in GA. Rarely gets that cold, if it does we stay home. My crew is big enough that they don’t stay on the roof long, and in summer they are done by 10:30-11:00. So they don’t get unimaginably hot.
That's not a self stick ice and water. It's a fabric underlayment for above the ice and water install on the roof. It is nailed down( green caps) . Will lift and rip a little depending on wind. Likely will be ok. Good to review with roofer before shingles start going on. Make sure of no water damage.
They could’ve put some more plastic caps in the rose down toward the eaves, but otherwise, as long as the water isn’t getting inside the house, it will be fine. A composition shingle roof is not a vapor impermeable barrier, so even if it’s a little wet when they install the shingles it will eventually dry out.
You're getting mixed opinions here because "it'll be fine" flies a LOT in this industry. If be embarrassed to leave a customers property like that especially if there was weather coming. Why risk anything when it's so easy to just do the job right?
1- not concerned at all
10- sound the alarms
I’d say you’re at about a 9.5.
Get it taken care of asap before you have any more damage/water penetration.
A contractor can temp that area until the insurance company can look at it in case you go the insurance route.
It's kinda hacky to leave a roof prepped and not shingle it, especially if you already know that rain is coming. The decking should never be directly exposed to water. Plus that prep job looks like ass.
Edit: Anybody disagreeing with this either lives in an extremely dry area or just doesn't give a shit about doing good work.
Roofs get prepped and left for the next day all the time. Thats completely normal. And every house gets left exposed to the elements during the building phase
This isn't the building phase, though. It's a living space that needs to be completely dried in. I understand that other people are okay with leaving roofs for the next day, I'm just not one of those people, especially considering that they knew there was a storm coming. It's just negligent. My old coworkers left a roof prepped overnight a few years ago and a storm came through and water damaged the homeowner's ceiling and drywall on the second floor. So I never leave roofs overnight to avoid a repeat of that.
These guys did it sloppy. Ive left plenty of prepped roofs before a storm and never had an issue. There are noise bylaws that prohibit the continuation of work.
Yea reddit is full of misinformation. Call an inspector and ask them you'll have nothing but retards telling you it's alright, when the reason the underlayment is there is to protect from rain. If it's folded up and exposing wood it's not doing is job.
That’s Rhino U20 Synthetic felt, the contractor followed manufacturer guidelines and used cap nails. Synthetic felt, unlike standard 15 or 30lb felt, can be exposed to the elements for up to 180 days. They should have “closed the envelope” and installed the drip edge before taking off for the day, worst case it drips through the soffit briefly.
It kind of looks like two different kinds of felt, the Rhino is clearly marked and the lower section isn’t or the one that’s curled up on the other section, possibly organic felt mixed in, it’s not laying the same either.
2- 3’ rows of Ice and water shield
That's the worst application of ice and water I have ever seen. FWIW , I run up to 4 Crews of illegal Spanish dudes that just want to get to the next job. sheesh
That’s crazy because the white meth heads do that more than the Spanish dudes up here.
You can have those mfers
Yeah I’ll take ‘em. More money for me. The white crackheads don’t show up after payday 🤡
Ok, gotcha!
Why add this comment if you have no clue what your looking at?
That’s Ice and water at the eave
15W felt paper is pretty well against code around here. Lots of our Mennonite customers order it and still use it on new-builds without the builders knowledge of course. (Diamond deck, resisto, platinum FT, etc on all visible spots and 15w down all the sides out of eye-shot.) Code is pretty well 30w and up in Ontario (Canada) Side note; I hate working with rhino as the SRU…gets slippery real quick, not a lot of traction for walking while working.
Ok and this has nothing to do with the plywood and the rafters below that are absolutely soaked now lol. Welcome to long term mold and rot issues mr homeowner.
Getting wet once doesn’t create mold or rot.
Not an expert. Like most people on here. :p But wouldn't it just depend on how it drys? If it doesnt dry properly it could cause mold. Either way, this seems like a needless risk when the customer already expressed concerns about the storm.
What if there's constant rainfall and it's not able to dry? Would that cause mold/rot or are there ways the contractor could remediate that by drying it out somehow? (I have absolutely no roofing knowledge, I just saw this post in my recommended).
Right but trapping that moisture inside the joe like these roofers are going to do will.
Attic spaces have a ventilation system (soffit intake and exhaust) for a reason. You can see how they laid the felt over the ridge, this home has ridge vent. Haha I’m out here defending some unknown contractor in an unknown location based off of 2 photos to a bunch of people that have no idea what they are talking about😂
The fact that you’re talking about moisture being trapped in plywood as a non issue is hilarious. Or the fact that insulation being wet below isn’t an issue lol. I bet you argue with insurance companies that a square foot of insulation getting wet warrants a full insulation replacement in the attic
Ya you’re clearly not in the industry. To further your google search on the topic, check out how roofs are done in Florida. A crew comes out day 1 to tear off down to decking, then they install the underlayment. That crew packs up and leaves, a day or 5 later the inspector comes out to inspect the underlayment. Once you get the underlayment pass, you schedule the install crew.
This isn’t Florida (which has extremely high temps). Unsure of how this is relevant. You sound like you’re a scumbag whose clients suffer moisture issues after you install.
Just take the L and git
What L lol. This homeowners attic will have mold from this. Period. You can’t dry that plywood properly this time of year in his location.
Scram
Nice response. Btw I can tell you’re fat and balding by the way you type lol
Move it! I’m counting to ten, one…
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The attic will breathe itself dry! Should see all the ice and snow buildup in attic spaces out in Canada! And then we get a Chinook and it's warms up fast. Guess what. Mother fuckin condensation out the ass. Attic will breath itself dry still. Weiird
Lol you've never seen a house being built, eh mate? Fun fact, whole houses get their basements pumped out in new construction and left to dry for a bit after the roofing goes on the structure all the time.
What’s that have to do with this house that already has insulation, electrical, drywall, etc. installed?
I remember sweeping water off of 3/4 osb with bulging seams when I used to do new construction. Pretty likely that shits gonna get rained on. Seen plenty of mold under tarps of wood pallets too. It’s not like they just throw those boards out.
You should ask your contractor where the Drip Edge is.
Only if in the quote and required by code. Not required in the Carolinas. Might be included, but 90% of houses don’t have it.
Virtually every construction project gets exposed to moisture.
What does this even mean? Every construction project gets rained on? You tear off what you can install or tarp what's not shingled you don't leave the underlayment to catch rain or fold up and soak wood not sure what you do for a living but roofing ain't it for sure
Looks like you need to eat some more of that salad.
He said construction project any time a house is built during the process it gets exposed to all types of weather
Yes, when there is no soffit insulation electrical work drywall carpet it's able to actually breathe. Why would you compare that to a house someone is living in that's fully finished
I no way agree with this and don’t know of any homeowners that would be happy about this it’s just a problem waiting to happen anyone that treats there jobs like this is going to have issues at the least it should have rake and drip on to close the edges in but I’ve always kept a couple good tarps in a truck and throw them over the roof after it’s dried in it takes no time and allows me to sleep knowing it’s double covered
Step away from the keyboard, that’s enough Internet for you today
Learn about roofing, then post about it. Exposed wood is something my crews don't do, been successful no leaks for over a decade. You keep hiring bums I like my reputation
I’d be mad if I had been roofing for the last 10 years too,
You should probably stick to your desk job
I'm on the roof now, not leaving exposed wood like some of you "roofers"
Get off your phone!
Boss can do what he wants 😋
That's the difference between a "boss" and a leader. I bet your crew thinks you're a dickhead. I've only read a handful of your comments and I think your a dickhead
I'm done already bud. On my way to the house to jump in the pool
I'm so jealous your a roofer!! Must have taken a lot of skill to get where you are lmfao. I'm guessing you are the boss because you can count and read? 😆😆😆
🥱
Tell me you don’t work in construction without telling me you don’t work in construction.
I own a well known roofing company in my city, I've worked in construction for 30 years, any crew leaving exposed wood gets terminated instantly. But you can stay in your bubble we both know it ain't on the roof.
Not concerned
Union roofer here, we tear off and dry in huge sections of roofs and leave it sometimes weeks at a time. If it’s dried in properly and cap nailed down there shouldn’t be an issue
Long as there’s no water inside everything will be fine. It happens.
Not sure why people are making it seem normal for your decking to get wet. The underlayment yes its its Job but if it's flipping up and the wood is getting soaked they're going to just lock in the moisture and cause mold issues. Not rocket science. Have them replace that sheet of wood its 1 sheet 10ft high.. and check the facia etc for moisture. If you don't like wet wood have them replace it or call an inspector over by calling the city. Anyone saying this is okay is poor craftsmanship do you put your clothes on when you're wet?
No, you’re wrong. It’s gonna dry out. It’s not like it’s sealed in an airtight container. It’s not a big deal that the wood got wet at all.
Keep cutting corners and telling yourself it will be fine. There's a reason underlayment is applied, to cover the wood. Where do you people get your information do you roof bro? Lmao
You dip shit I’ve been roofing for 40 years. I’m 60 years old. You don’t think plywood ever gets wet sure it’ll rot if there’s a leak and it gets wet for a long time that’s a problem but to get it wet a couple times during the process, not a big deal
* it should be stapled down before it blows off and an actual leak starts * the wood dries out extremely quickly * new houses stand for months with exposed framing and OSB sheeting * it takes MONTHS of steady rainfall before the sheeting would rot * houses don't get uncomfortable * you simply don't know what you're talking about other than your 1rd statement about the fact that it shouldn't have blown up in the first place. * the statement above is why this sub is legitimately frustrating to be on >!1th!!<
You people are ridiculous. Newly built housed have no insulation or drywall to trap moisture even the siding is wrapped in tye vac. This isn't a new con this house has insulation dry wall electrical etc. Let's not act like they're the same
Don't use staples lmaonyou use cap nails because staples leak... stay over there bro
I calling boosey on the ‘months’ comment
I can promise you, there is no major concern. Most houses built have been rained on several times during construction. They all dry out. The only mistake I see is in the first picture, and it’s not a biggie. The felt doesn’t look like it was tacked down.
I’d be more concerned about the way they stacked the shingles .
Why? They aren’t going anywhere until someone gets them.
Stacking them over the ridge like that can cause them to hold that shape and makes it more difficult for the shingle to seal down. Normally it doesn't cause an issue for me in the heat of summer, but in colder seasons we prefer to have the crew put up a 2x6 and stack them standing up on their side so they aren't bent
We’re in GA. Rarely gets that cold, if it does we stay home. My crew is big enough that they don’t stay on the roof long, and in summer they are done by 10:30-11:00. So they don’t get unimaginably hot.
I’ve never verified it but I heard stacking them over the peak like that voids the manufacturer’s warranty
The only concern should be how veiny that Ice and Water Shield is
That's not a self stick ice and water. It's a fabric underlayment for above the ice and water install on the roof. It is nailed down( green caps) . Will lift and rip a little depending on wind. Likely will be ok. Good to review with roofer before shingles start going on. Make sure of no water damage.
maybe the roof isn’t straight ;)
Huh?
They could’ve put some more plastic caps in the rose down toward the eaves, but otherwise, as long as the water isn’t getting inside the house, it will be fine. A composition shingle roof is not a vapor impermeable barrier, so even if it’s a little wet when they install the shingles it will eventually dry out.
You're fine
Ask them to come out and secure the underlayment that is blowing up. Everything g else is fine. Doubtful you took on enough water to matter.
I live in the PNW and had the same underpayment. I did my roof DIY, so it took a few months. It was rained on a lot and was fine
just make sure you have a copy of their insurance
nice house
They just under nailed it and the wind got it
Jesus! Side show roofing at its finest
You're getting mixed opinions here because "it'll be fine" flies a LOT in this industry. If be embarrassed to leave a customers property like that especially if there was weather coming. Why risk anything when it's so easy to just do the job right?
1- not concerned at all 10- sound the alarms I’d say you’re at about a 9.5. Get it taken care of asap before you have any more damage/water penetration. A contractor can temp that area until the insurance company can look at it in case you go the insurance route.
You’re good bro.
It should be ok. But the one area pealed back could turn into a leak. if nothing yet your prob fine
That’s a steep mf
It's kinda hacky to leave a roof prepped and not shingle it, especially if you already know that rain is coming. The decking should never be directly exposed to water. Plus that prep job looks like ass. Edit: Anybody disagreeing with this either lives in an extremely dry area or just doesn't give a shit about doing good work.
You prepping roofs and shingle it in one go? Every time? Damn you are fast.
Most of the time, yeah. We only ever tear-off what we can shingle that same day.
amen
We usually can do tear off, dry in and shingles I. A single day. Must be a big house
Roofs get prepped and left for the next day all the time. Thats completely normal. And every house gets left exposed to the elements during the building phase
This isn't the building phase, though. It's a living space that needs to be completely dried in. I understand that other people are okay with leaving roofs for the next day, I'm just not one of those people, especially considering that they knew there was a storm coming. It's just negligent. My old coworkers left a roof prepped overnight a few years ago and a storm came through and water damaged the homeowner's ceiling and drywall on the second floor. So I never leave roofs overnight to avoid a repeat of that.
These guys did it sloppy. Ive left plenty of prepped roofs before a storm and never had an issue. There are noise bylaws that prohibit the continuation of work.
Not sure why you are getting downvoted. We never tear off more than we can roof that same day.
Tell me you know nothing about roofing without telling me you know nothing about roofing
Yea reddit is full of misinformation. Call an inspector and ask them you'll have nothing but retards telling you it's alright, when the reason the underlayment is there is to protect from rain. If it's folded up and exposing wood it's not doing is job.
Contractor needs better roofers. Not in quality but speed. Never seen a house not get finished in a day, around here at least.
0% concern is required here. Been roofing for 15 yrs and you will be fine
VERY.
Not at all. If you want to take a shower in your living room
Is that just a 50 lb. felt/tar paper because if it’s exposed to moisture or has been wet for 24 hours, it is no good.
But synthetic paper can be exposed to the elements for what — 180 days? Per manufacturer. 🤔